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Guest Blog - AEE

AEE, who has contributed stuff from time to time, gives his latest take of the present and future of the Redskins.

Here goes:

The real need for a youth movement on our coaching staff
--By AEE

In early January, 2004, all of us were excited with the idea of the greatest coach in Skins history, returning home. It was on ESPN news all day, the radio was on fire. I even took the afternoon off of work to watch the press conference.

When he spoke to the media (and fans), he talked about bringing this franchise back from the rough patch of years that had plagued us all. He didn't wear this Superbowl rings, because he said they didn't mean anything when it came to winning games in the future. For the 1st time since he left, it felt like we had a true leader again (Not counting Marty who never wins big). The naysayer's questioned his age, his health, his interests in Nascar and other charities. The Redskins faithful didn't care, we were just happy in believing this team would be moving forward again. Now, lets not kid ourselves. Without Joe Gibbs, this team would still loaded with Vinny's signings, and probably not a solid chunk of youth core talent. Joe Gibbs got us guys like Cooley, Campbell, Taylor, Landry, McIntosh. Those guys easily trump the mistakes like Brunell, Arch, Lloyd, and letting Smoot go while being forced to use a draft pick on Rogers instead of a LB who went a few picks after.

The bottom line is, Joe Gibbs has put some nice talent together for this franchise to build on.

Now comes the tough love part. For everything that has seemed to go right with player development, it has equally gone wrong on the offensive side of the ball. There are many theories on why things are this way. The bunched formation with Thrash as the only Wideout, showing the other team is a run. And if its not a run, then its not hard to cover Thrash. The complete lack of in-game adjustments to counter what a defense is doing to you. The man who would roam the sidelines at RFK has a quiet leader. A stabilizing force for players from all different backgrounds. Now looks like a confused old man who's playing to not lose, instead of playing to win. Its been the story for awhile now.

Yesterday was just the next chapter in this frustrating story.

Its already known around the league that splitting out four receivers is almost always taboo in Washington. We simply refuse to spread out the offense. Maybe its because the OL is so banged up. Maybe its because the WR's are all tiny and wouldn't be good blockers out there. Maybe its for a reason nobody knows. But when you're down by more than 3 TD's in a game. You need to try something new. Everybody knows the Patriots are running up scores because they are greeted as cheaters around the league. That doesn't matter. They pee excellence, they are unreal to watch. They don't make mistakes.

The Washington Redskins make a lot of mistakes.

If yesterday was the 1st time you watched football in your life. You might ask, "Why does that other team not practice catching the ball on offense, and tackling on defense?". The fundamentals are not there anymore. The basic responsibilities for a player during the course of the game are non-existent. Over time, a team adopts the personality of their coaching staff. The Washington Redskins showed up in New England on a mission. That mission was to curl into a ball and scream "not the face" for 60 minutes of play. These are grown men who are running the plays from people are acting like they'll get physically hurt if you have to alter your strategy.

Now, here comes the potentially good part.

Joe Gibbs already holds the title he should have even if he weren't coaching. He should be the Team President, and that should mean he's the GM. Vinny should start packing up his office, and pick up Larry Michael on the way out. Joe Gibbs in an office all day, looking for players, being a mentor while not worrying about gameday planning is his future if he chooses to stay in the NFL. What this team needs to do is look around the league as the best front offices. Pittsburgh, New England, San Diego, and use that blueprint for player management. For a coaching staff....well, that's tougher.

I like Gregg Williams but he screams "Norv" for the other side of the ball. Great D-Coord guy, probably not a top head coach. Pittsburgh I believe is on their 3rd head coach in like 40 something years. We have had 4 Coaches since 2000, not counting interm guys. There is plenty of good young coaching talent in the NFL right now. A guy in his mid to late 30's is the way to go. With a mentor like Joe Gibbs who helps during the week, but MUST let the coach make his own mistakes on Sunday's. There could be a happy ending here. Otherwise, in 2 years we're going to have Williams or another old coaching repeat.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 30, 2007; 4:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

Skins Realist,

I'm not hiding behind humor. It was actually intended to be humorous and plenty of people found it to be so. I was making fun of the stereotypes and pop-culture surrounding american indians, not the american indians themselves. Obviously, I don't believe they sold Landover for fire water and beads. Obviously, I don't think John Wayne movies are documentaries. With all due respect, if you thought those remarks were intended to be serious you are far too sensitive.

I'm not sure how to respond to your question whether I'm surprised that you are black, so I will just ignore it. I didn't give any thought to your race or sex. I don't think it is relevant.

If you said those things about white people it would be an entirely different situation. White people actually did enslave black people. They actually did force american indians from their lands. None of the things I said in jest were based on fact but were intended to be OBVIOUS fictions.

The name is not offensive. When people hear "Redskin" they think about a football team, not about american indians. It doesn't mean or refer to american indians anymore, it refers to a football team.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 30, 2007 04:32 PM

Posted by: Repost | October 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Pick a coach based on age?

Stick with Gibbs.

Norv Turner and Steve Spurrier were both miserable failures.

Gibbs is in the middle of his 4th year back, and has made the playoffs one season - and should make the playoffs again this season - that's 2 out of 4 years.

There are plenty of teams that would love to be 4-3 right now. Including the 1-7 Jets. A team that hasn't been within sniffing distance of a Super Bowl since 1969.

I am surprised Washington's fan base consists chiefly of whiners and people who can only talk about getting a new coach after a loss.

PS: How is Coach Marvin Lewis looking right now?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 30, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

HAHA SKINNIES GET YOUR BOOHOO BOX READY THE BOYS WILL SOON COME MARCHING IN AND STAMPEDE ANY PLAYOFF HOPES LEFT HEHEHEHEHEHE

Posted by: BOOFER | October 30, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Once again, decent insight from a member of peanut gallery. Is this the forum to try out for a reporting gig with the WaPo? It seems like they need a replacement for Jason Reid.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

AEE,

Nice break down. I don't think it'll ever happen. When Gibbs steps down as coach I really believe he'll be done. I agree with you about Williams. That guy isn't a leader of men. He has too large an ego.

Posted by: Skinz | October 30, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Repost from previous thread...

Has anyone espoused this view yet?:

Players whining and complaining about a team running up the score is worse than actually running the score up!

Both situations are wrong, but by calling attention to the fact is pitiful and I think that is the last thing you'd want to be labled as, if you're a pro ballplayer.

What really burns me here is the coaching staff's inability to play together as a team - hey, there's a novel concept in a team sport.

Grilliams is playing his Defense based on what he deems the offense can do instead of what the other team can do. Big Al schemes in imaginary land while his philosophy is in competition with Gibbs. Gibbs is trying to GM and manage the field game at the same time. And Snyder is channelling Emperor Palpatine w/ Hollywood Exiles creating their own chain of TCCL Excercise Stores accross the Nation (Side question here: does Danny have to become a Scientologist in order to do business with the Risky One?)

3 Guys (well, 5 - if you include Cruise) who deem themselves as automomous under a despot like The Danny... I hope we find a way out soon! The players, like their injuries (Louise Hay, anyone??) are Hamstrung!

Posted by: Dik | October 30, 2007 04:38 PM

Posted by: Dik | October 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, MR21 -= but how do you address the obvious coaching deficiencies on this team?

Posted by: Dik | October 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss something was Jason Reid fired?

Posted by: What? | October 30, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I think AEE just posted the Cliffs Notes for the entire blog. Nothing left to see now. Move on people.

Posted by: Not Anon | October 30, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it obvious the team is playing not to lose! Offense, defense, clock mgmt, in-game decisions. It's sickening. So frightened of committing a turnover or getting "burned" on a blitz that they're getting slapped around like the sisters of the poor as a result of such simple game plans.

Posted by: Tom B | October 30, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Josh McDaniels from New England. The ultimate form of payback. We won't play them for 4 years, so why not raid their coaching staff in the offseason?

Posted by: etrod | October 30, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

ANOTHER fake dcsween post! Just calling it out b/c there isn't anything offensive otherwise. Looks like the work of fake Nate.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Raiding the Pats coaching staff worked out awesome for us.

Posted by: The Jets | October 30, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Good call, Jets. We don't need another Mangina.

Posted by: etrod | October 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dik, the only players who said anything about the point run up were Daniels and Godfrey. Daniels just noted it, he didn't complain about it (though Clayton had an incomplete quote yesterday that would lead you to believe that Daniels was griping ... on a complete read, Daniels did not gripe, he only said that the Skins failed to stop it). Godfrey was the only one who complained about it.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I think SkinsRealist has been vanquished.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Aee, Great guest blog. I agree Joe Gibbs is a icon and should stay as the team President because with are limited draft picks we have gotten some nice young talent. Maybe if we have some full drafts we can continue on that. I think as well we play not to loose. In fact this past Sunday was the Redskins first game getting blown out. The Redskins are in every game going into the 4th quarter. We need to be aggressive on offense. If Joe Gibbs was to move upstairs what about Norm Chow as the head coach?

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with the Redskins defense, even after the New England game - they were on the field far too long.

The issue with this team is the offense. I just wish I knew who was actually calling the plays - Saunders or Gibbs. Or maybe they alternate the play-calling.... That would explain why we seem to have no consistency on offense. No identity.

That has to change starting this week if they're going to make a run at the playoffs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have the talent level to compete with all but Indy and NE. Its the health and depth that are problems. And coaching that plays not to lose. In 3 of our W's we came close to losing. A coin flip was the key play against Miami. A FG wide by about a foot was what beat AZ. And McNabb had a wide open guy at the goal line and chance to get to OT ... and missed him.

In 2007, passing wins. Our QB is young and has a bunch to learn, but I think he is the guy. HIs WR's have been very mixed. ARE has been good but is hurting. Our big playmaker, Santana, has been a disaster.

But the real issue that stuns me is the line. Joe Gibbs knows how important a good o line is. Has he drafted one guy near the top for this? Same as d line. He did draft low and got some modest talent there. But the Skins have missed out on developing those areas.

The Skins need to draft OL first second and third. D-line after that. WR after that. The RB situation is looking dicey and we'll have to see.

And finally, they need to stop bumping up against the cap. It leads to bad decisions (failing to get Dockery signed early, for example). Lloyd is the most obnoxious offender and will be gone soon, but the Skins need to get the cap side in better order.

Posted by: AL | October 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

AEE,

Sorry, but your lack of historical knowledge is incredibly obvious.

Joe Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach. The teams he took to the Super Bowl were the result of the GM (personnel) work of Bobby Beathard, and to a lesser degree, Charlie Casserly. It is well known to many observers that Joe Gibbs isn't very good with personnel. The name Desmond Howard comes to mind.

Gibbs hasn't lost it as a coach. This season isn't over, no matter how badly they played last Sunday.

Posted by: JasonMustGo | October 30, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Godfrey was the only one who complained about it.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 04:48 PM

Didn't Godfrey play for the Chargers last season? He probably has more of an axe to grind with the Patriots than most then!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to raid the Patriots' coaching staff. I do, however, want to sign away one of their O-linemen. Something tells me that, if the Pats do go onto and win the Super Bowl, a big chuck of their roster will be scattered to the four winds like happens to other teams after they win a Super Bowl. A player's value never seems higher than when he's surrounded by a bunch of other good players. Anyone notice how Adalius Thomas was not a particularly fearsome force in that game the Skins played a while back? [The game was against the Pats ... sometime this season ... it was a while ago ... don't exactly remember when it was.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

...RUSS GRIMM...

Posted by: bobbo | October 30, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I just looked it up. JReid hasn't had a column in a week. Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I guess Jasno didn't have enough time to type up his own vitriol towards the Skins today so he throws up someone else's work. Nice job jackazz!

Posted by: Down with Jasno | October 30, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

trying to think of people the Skins let go of that really have played well elsewhere. Pierce, Ryan Clark and Walt Harris come to mind. Any others? I know Dockery, but that was a heck of a deal he got in Buffalo.

Seems to me that the front office has been better than many have given them credit for. Especially in the draft ... which is why its so silly they keep giving up draft picks.

Posted by: AL | October 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, that's my point. The loudest of the loud at Belichek bashing was LT ... one of Godfrey's co-peeps.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

JREID family lives on the west coast near the fires. He went to be with them.

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Cindy - just between us, what's going on with Jason Reid? Are you looking for a new Redskins beat reporter? Lots of willing subjects right here.

Posted by: AlwaysAnEagle | October 30, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Washington at N.Y. Jets

WAS 28th OFF; NYJ 29th DEF

WAS 18th RUN; NYJ 27th VS. RUN

WAS 25th PASS; NYJ 26th VS. PASS

WAS 22nd PTS; NYJ 26th PTS ALLOWED

NYJ 30th OFF; WAS 12th DEF

NYJ 24th RUN; WAS 9th VS. RUN

NYJ 24th PASS; WAS 17th VS. PASS

NYJ 27th PTS; WAS 16th PTS ALLOWED

NYJ 25th TO/TA; WAS 20th TO/TA

NYJ, coming off a 10-6 campaign, have sunk to 1-7 this season following their second loss of the season to the Bills. WAS was thrashed by NE, 52-7, after allowing only 39 points in the previous three games. WAS have won 7-of-8 games vs. NYJ all-time.

NYJ held BUF to 3.1 yards per carry and a long run of 10.

After the opening 73-yard drive last week, NYJ totaled 77 yards on their next seven drives.

WAS had a long run of 7 yards last week.

WAS QB Jason Campbell lost 3 fumbles last week -- all 3 on strip sacks by Mike Vrabel. He also had 1 interception.

The matchup between WAS coach Joe Gibbs and NE coach Bill Belichick was the 1st ever between the 2 coaches with 3 Super Bowl rings.

WAS allowed NE to score its most points in 28 years.

WAS entered last week's game with the 5th-ranked defense in the NFL and left with the franchise's worst loss since 1961.

BUF defense kept NYJ out of the end zone all day, holding them to 205 yards of total offense, including just 135 yards passing.

The last time BUF swept NYJ in a season was in 1997.

Posted by: Skinz from PFW | October 30, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

What about Bill Lazor as being groomed by Gibbs?

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I was fired from the WP after my run-in at Redskins Park last week. Apparently the Danny threatened the WP with limited access unless I was terminated. You know, kind of like he did with Comcast last year after the Czaben/Brunell interview on Post Game Live...

It was a good run though. I learned a lot in those 2 weeks.

Thank you and bye bye.

Posted by: Jason Reid | October 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Bill Lazor go to Atlanta? Also, if we're going to discount Gibbs' three super bowls and ask "what have you done for us now" it's time to let off of desmond howard. Desmond didn't break this franchise and at least in terms of drafting, Gibbs' recent body of work is MUCH MUCH better!

Posted by: Icarus | October 30, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, these stats make it sound like the team, if they play things right, can do some serious resume padding and, at a minimum, get their defensive rank back up closer to where it was before playing that one team from that city the other day ... memory getting fuzzier on the details.

That 1-7 run by the Jets was under Chad Pennington though. Beware of the trap game and beginner's luck! For some reason, new QBs in their first few games tend to light things up. My first "key to the game" is for the front four on D to light up Clemens EARLY and OFTEN ... maybe even send in Mr. Landry to lay The Ron on him. [LaRon means "the Ron".]

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Bill Lazor is the QB coach.

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Look I'm not native american but the atrocities inflicted upon the native americans can only infuriate me. We were a witness to this this past sunday

Do you not see the historical simalarities in the patriots massacring the Redskins.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Bill Musgrave (former QB coach) went to Atlanta. Bill Lazor (former QA/QC guy, I think) was elevated to QB coach last season (I think it was last season).

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

lol

Posted by: lol | October 30, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Gibbs did a very nice job in the draft. Last year, for example, many sports analysts were skewing Gibbs for taking Laron Landry over several defensive ends. In the hindsight they look foolish. The highest picked DE in the last years draft, Gaines Adams, has 1.5 sacks this season, Jamal Anderson, the second highest picked DE, has 0 sacks, Adam Carriker, the third highest picked DE has 1 sack. In other words, 3 highest picked DEs collectively accounted for whooping 2.5 sacks this season. Is anybody complaining now about getting Landry over these three guys?

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Right on. Musgrave left. And Lazor is in his 2nd year on the jobas QB coach..,.,.,.,

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Czaban is a gutless moron.

I'm no Brunell fan, but that Czaban goof - and most of the people at WTEM - are human zeros.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 30, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

M, Carriker got moved to nose tackle in the Rams 3-4. It wasn't anticipated he was going to be "speed rusher" like the other drooled over DEs. I still don't understand the whole idea of a speed rusher b/c all of those guys seemed too light to playing on the line (and that might explain why those guys are not yet on the field ... they need to get heavier and stronger, not to mention learn the game). No question that Landry was the right guy at the Number 6 spot (and that we dodged a bullet when the Bears rejected the trade to swap spots in exchange for Lance Briggs).

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Landry was a great draft pick. And Fletcher was a great FA pick-up. As was getting Smoot back.

Now if they'd just cut B. Lloyd, thereby freeing up a roster spot for someone who can actually play, that'd be great.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 30, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Gibbs did a very nice job in the draft. Last year, for example, many sports analysts were skewing Gibbs for taking Laron Landry over several defensive ends. In the hindsight they look foolish. The highest picked DE in the last years draft, Gaines Adams, has 1.5 sacks this season, Jamal Anderson, the second highest picked DE, has 0 sacks, Adam Carriker, the third highest picked DE has 1 sack. In other words, 3 highest picked DEs collectively accounted for whooping 2.5 sacks this season. Is anybody complaining now about getting Landry over these three guys?

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 05:06 PM

Take a look at my stats why don't you.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

i have also posted as the following;

Posted by: anon | October 30, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Thanks for the heads up this morning!

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I think we did not need Amobi Okoye in our scheme. We have young developing DTS. Okoye can be awesome. A Sapp like but Landry could be a Ronnie Lott. Is in on every play. If Montgromery continues to develop its win, win,

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At around the time of the draft, the conventional wisdom was that the Skins needed D-linemen. With the benefit of hindsight, esp. about the up steppage of Montgomery, as well as the able in fillage by Golsten, and the Daniels' back uppage in Evans (and maybe even Alexander and/or Wilson), seems like it was the absolutely right move to fix the gaping hole at safety.

The whole Montgomery/Golsten-as-developmental project thing got me thinking. The new current conventional wisdom is that the big needs are at CB and WR (and I agree about CB, but only b/c of the advancing years on Springs). MAYBE, however, that the idea is not to replace the short speed demons with tall "possession-type" receivers, but instead with tight ends. After Cooley and Yoder, doesn't it seem like there might be a little bit of stockpiling in the tight end department? I'm thinking about Tyler Ecker and Cody Boyd, as well as the TC/preseason/practice squad flirting with those two guys who were TE/FB types (Brian Bell? some guy from Youngstown or Kent State?).

Maybe the "Return of the H-back" (i.e., tall, fast, large multi-purpose athlete) is on the horizon ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm more of a man than Anthony Montgomery, Cornelius Griffin and Kedric Golston will ever be and I'm only 20. I have more sacks than all of them plus Landry combined.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

AEE,

Nice break down. I don't think it'll ever happen. When Gibbs steps down as coach I really believe he'll be done. I agree with you about Williams. That guy isn't a leader of men. He has too large an ego.

Posted by: Skinz | October 30, 2007 04:40 PM

In reference to Williams, it's very possible that he ends up as the Norv of defense. However, his large ego, p*ssed off demeanor, and look of "i'm smarter than all of you, how dare you challenge me" reminds me of another famous defensive mind who failed miserably in his first head coaching stint. hint hint, he just utterly embarassed us last week while running up the score. i'm not saying i necessarily think GG will end up like that d-bag, i'm just saying not to write him off as a future big-time coach.

Posted by: el diablo | October 30, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Okoye you have some sacks. But lets look at Landry and you in 5 years. You play on a good line.

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I guess it all depends on how we finish off the season. If we don't break .500, and miss the playoffs, then blowing up the roster, and hiring a young coach makes sense to me. If we make the playoffs, and maybe even win a game, then I vote for continuity, and if not Gibbs, then Grilliams as HC for a season or two to try and make a run.

Posted by: kost52 A.K.A. Vinnie from the Bronx | October 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse


I'm fine with the Redskins defense, even after the New England game - they were on the field far too long.

The issue with this team is the offense. I just wish I knew who was actually calling the plays - Saunders or Gibbs. Or maybe they alternate the play-calling.... That would explain why we seem to have no consistency on offense. No identity.

That has to change starting this week if they're going to make a run at the playoffs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


MrRedskin21,

Nothing is going to change this week!

Nothing ever changes.

This team is coached by arguably the most predictable and unimaginative person ever to lead a team in the NFL.

He's in a compete time-warp.

Saunders is cashing checks, that's it. Did you see him with Kelly last nite - he's a total zombie.

No one on this team has any passion.

Coach T. said it best earlier today on TEM - none of the Skins even believe the pap they pump out each week.

It's a total joke.

Posted by: GAD | October 30, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The two guys I was thinking about were Brian Bell (FB) and Pete Schmitt (TE).

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Okoye you have some sacks. But lets look at Landry and you in 5 years. You play on a good line.

Posted by: Tommy | October 30, 2007 05:26 PM

Can we get this archived or have Jasno or Cindy put it on their calendars?

Landry plays in a good secondary also.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm a huge gibbs fan. I love what he did for us in the past, and I love that he wants quality people playing for the skins. However, It is woefully clear that this team, despite being 1 game over .500, is underachieving and being outcoached almost every week. The skins constantly mismanage the clock, fail to adjust at halftime, and are pitifully predictable.

I've got an idea, Lets run the same D all game long, and run the same offensive formations and plays all game even though you're down 50 points!

May lightning now strike me down!

Posted by: nah | October 30, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

To kick the sissys on this blog one more time you must know that even NFL NETWORK is geting in on the SHI* on REDSKINETTE fans week They are replaying the ASS WOOPING of the DECADE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: All you sissy fans bend over jm220 & his many personalitys are on the way | October 30, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

jm220
redcoat
m&m
dcsween
stumped
kma
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Posted by: List of sissy kool-aide drinkers who attack posters then WHINE when ATTACKED and theres more but the | October 30, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Its going to be a tough week for the Skins secondary with Rogers out, esp. if Clemens has an arm, b/c Coles and Cotchery are both legitimate deep threats, and Coles in particular can keep a move on once he gets a move on.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Seems pretty simple:
Move Gibbs to Team President. Let him bring in a GM that he trusts to find 'true Redskins' (read: character players)
Get rid of weird Al
Hire Grimm as Head Coach
Hope Williams will agree to stay on as D-coordinator (if not, find a new young D-coordinator from the Bellicheck coaching tree)

Posted by: Plan | October 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Hell half the regulars on this blog attacked newcomers when they first posted. That's why I gained great pleasure in spoofing them and watching them run to Wapo crying their eyes out.

Well its been fun, stay classy Redskins Insider.

F Redcoat!

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

With our O-line in such bad shape, why not just spread it out on offense? Go 3 or 4 wide every play, let JC roll out to buy time and force the D to drop more players back to cover.
Moss, ARE, McCardell and Cooley split out on every play with JC in the shot-gun and Portis or Betts running draws or screens.
Why not?

Posted by: Diesel | October 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

We can get Norv back as OC to groom Soup once he gets fired from San Diego. We can bring back Marvin Lewis as DC once he gets fired from Cinci and then bring in Grimm as HC. Fire Saunders and Grilliams.

Posted by: Another Plan | October 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

This blog is what happens when a Sewing Circle gathers around the Watercooler(For the sake of the blog The Kool-Aid Kooler)

Posted by: Enzing Norgay | October 30, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I mean, k-k-koola.

Posted by: Bobby Bouche | October 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't spit in the k-k-koola!

Posted by: Bobby Bouche | October 30, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it funny that our defense is playing great, and our offense is struggling, but our biggest needs are DE and CB??

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"PS: How is Coach Marvin Lewis looking right now?"

100% Agreed.

Big mistake to let him go, but you know Dan Snyder. He's gotta have the biggest named everything so he can line his pockets with more cash.

One day people on here are going to understand that as long as Dan Snyder owns the Skins, they will never win a Superbowl.

This past Sunday was an example of two polar opposite organizations going in entirely different directions. I can't believe how many people thought the Skins would actually beat the Patriots. Amazing.

Gibbs is also 100% in charge of the offense. How come they still stink? Any time a team has someone they want to get rid of they call the Redskins to sucker them into trading a draft choice. TJ Duckett ring a bell? That 3rd round choice would have looked great on an offensive lineman right about now. Denver tried to do it again a couple months ago with that d-lineman Warren. They just cut that guy.

And for these reasons I don't agree with AEE. Dan Snyder will still own the Redskins no matter who is president, GM, what have you. He sits back and plays fantasy football, but as long as he makes money he could care less. Terrible, terrible, owner.

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins they will never win a Super Bowl.

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins they will never win a Super Bowl.

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins they will never win a Super Bowl.

Com'on guys/girls, it's ok to admit it.

It's embarassing to call the Skins' my favorite team and they should be just as embarassed to say they even have one. It's a joke.

I'm tired of the excuses they keep throwing at us. :(

- Ray

PS - I am willing to bet G. Williams is a head coach on another team next year. Wait and see.

Posted by: Ray | October 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"I'm more of a man than Anthony Montgomery, Cornelius Griffin and Kedric Golston will ever be and I'm only 20. I have more sacks than all of them plus Landry combined."

Yup you do, and I was hoping you would be in Burgandy and Gold but I keep forgetting Dan Snyder owns the team and doesn't know what the heck he's doing. He likes to build teams ass-backwards.

You NEVER draft a saftey that high. Never.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 30, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

You NEVER draft a saftey that high. Never.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 30, 2007 06:13 PM

Sean Taylor???

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I cannot let Jerry Jones outdo me. Tomorrow we will announce that we have signed Jason Campbell to a 6 year deal worth 80 mil with 50 mil guaranteed.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | October 30, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Seems pretty simple:
Move Gibbs to Team President. Let him bring in a GM that he trusts to find 'true Redskins' (read: character players)
Get rid of weird Al
Hire Grimm as Head Coach
Hope Williams will agree to stay on as D-coordinator (if not, find a new young D-coordinator from the Bellicheck coaching tree)

Posted by: Plan

Plan,

Simple. Correct and sorely needed. Wise.

However,

the complete and absolute arrogance of this team and owner will prevent this from ever even being considered.

Posted by: GAD | October 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Wes Mantooth - If someone on the blog, newcommer or regular, posts a comment, and someone disagrees with it, I don't think it's fair to say that they're attacking the person. The great thing about this blog, is that it's a medium for people who have differing opinions, to debate. Now if people get personal, and start with insults, that's wrong, and in my opinion, thats part of the acts a register would be trying to stamp out.

I like having the opportunity to talk with people who have differing opinions, and when I disagree with them, it's not trying to be a display of superiority, or an attempt to scare them off the blog so that only people with my point of view stay.
It's so I can show my point of view, and hear their point of view. And while I might try and point out flaws in their arguement, I WANT them to find flaws in mine.

I would've thought that the whole point of a register was not to stop people who have a contrary point of view from feeling welcome, but to enable people a safe environment to voice their point of view, regardless of what that point of view is.

I don't understand where this 'regulars attacking newcommers' theory comes from. After all, weren't we all newcommers at some stage? I know when I first stared, I was welcomed warmly, which is why I've remained.

The only people who will be hurt by having registration, are the people who are doing the wrong thing.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins they will never win a Super Bowl

Even if we somehow did, how many of us would be puking our guts out to see him hold up the super bowl trophy? I don't think I'd be able to watch that part for fear he'd molest the trophy right in front of everyone. Imagine the stains on it afterwards. Bleh, he disgusts me.

Anyways, great glog AEE, couldn't agree with you more. High time for the old man to go; he's had the staff, the players, the money to do things his way for four years and we still turn up as middle of the pack or below. Him and Al couldn't gameplan their way out of an Old Folk's Home at this point much less come up with something that looks halfway modern.

So, St. Joe, go ahead and prove me and all the other doubters wrong, and no, stumbling into the playoffs at eight and eight doesn't count.

No lightning here. Yet.

Posted by: Megskin | October 30, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse


Isn't it funny that our defense is playing great, and our offense is struggling, but our biggest needs are DE and CB??

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 06:10 PM

Funny in a surreal way.

How about possession receiver? How about OL?

Posted by: Stumped | October 30, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

kost - you are an idiot.

Posted by: A$$clown | October 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

kost52
you say the defense is playing great 52-7
the Defense went from 3 to 12 in one game in the standings thats an overrated defense that is hiding behind misleading stats.

Posted by: open your eyes dont let stats fool you | October 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

How many of you think that if I wasn't in the HOF already that I would be voted in after version 2.0?

Not me

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 30, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

My choices for Skins draft was to trade up for either Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas (OT). If they kept the pick, then draft Okoye. I wasn't thrilled with Landry when they picked him.

A lot of top picks are underachievers. Not to speak ill of the injured, but Carlos Rogers is simply not worthy of a top 10 pick.

Landry was clearly a good pick and so was Okoye. So I give props to the Skins on that pick. And on Campbell pick -- though they probably gave up mor than they needed to on that one. And on Rocky and on Sean Taylor.

Which brings us to their needs. O-line was number one last offseason and probably is again. O-line guys get hurt a lot (look at the Rams) and depth there is mandatory. Its also clear that WR is a problem. Just not the one we expected. Seemed like when ARE stepped up, problem solved. But Santana has been awful. D-line will always be an issue since it requires depth, not just starters. Griffin and Carter are a pretty good tandem, but another top player could really transform the line.

And seems like RB is the other challenge. We have good backs if we lean more on using them in the passing game, we are good to go. But Gibbs wants to run in a league that wants you to pass.

Posted by: AL | October 30, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Megskin
thats where your dead wrong because snyder gave up on winning that trophy long ago and molests every dollar out of those dumbasss fans who go to fedex and pay.

Posted by: not me | October 30, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

F registration. How can I be BOOFER, Dbag, Jets Fan and all the others at the same time.

Posted by: Megskin | October 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

kost52
you say the defense is playing great 52-7
the Defense went from 3 to 12 in one game in the standings thats an overrated defense that is hiding behind misleading stats.

Posted by: open your eyes dont let stats fool you | October 30, 2007 06:36 PM

That's a fair enough point, but it was one game which blew out those standings, and that one game was against the best offense in the league, argueably ever.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Hell half the regulars on this blog attacked newcomers when they first posted. That's why I gained great pleasure in spoofing them and watching them run to WaPo crying their eyes out.

Well its been fun, stay classy Redskins Insider.

F Redcoat!"

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 30, 2007 06:01 PM

Gasp! Do you still bear scars from the "attack"?

Seriously, I love how newcomers accuse the old guard of being hostile, then say they are wusses for 'going crying to WaPo'. What's more wussy? Asking people to stop posting under fake names...or resorting to the use of fake names when someone dares to challenge you?

This is hardly the most hostile environment on the Internet. I occasionally post on news-related sites where the regulars are a LOT meaner than they are on RI.

I wasn't the first person to ever post here. I don't even post here that much. I also don't remember asking WaPo for anything.

When someone challenges me, I go right back at them. I don't ask them to ease back. I'm willing to challenge them back. And I do, when I want to.

What I don't do is whine. And I don't post pseudo-funny satire under someone else's name. It's just not "classy", as you put it. Ironically.

I'll keep reading and posting whether there's registration or not. I suspect many of those "newcomers" who are complaining about it the most are the same people whose posts are mostly troll bait.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I am not classy and I am troll bait.

Coming mom!

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

HAHA SKINNIES GET YOUR BOOHOO BOX READY THE BOYS WILL SOON COME MARCHING IN AND STAMPEDE ANY PLAYOFF HOPES LEFT HEHEHEHEHEHE

Posted by: DEADSKINS SUCK | October 30, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

One more thing: I'll gladly admit to having been riled up by stuff people post. But every time it happens, I try to take a slow, deep breath and say "It's only the Internet."

Remember, it's just words on a screen posted by someone you don't know and probably never will meet. This helps me, and it might help others. Just thought I'd share.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh look, another faker. I hope he's not too upset. It's just the Internet.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Will the real jcabana please stand up?

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

jacabana - Thanks for your words of wisdom but it's obvious that you are just another wanna be troll. Please do us all a favor a don't register.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah jcabana, please stop jerking us around. Make this your last day on the blog.

Posted by: dcsween | October 30, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

F jcabana!

Posted by: cHriS LaRRy | October 30, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I am having my three year old retarded nice write my blog response.


Why we need younger guest bloggers.


By Princess

Because the ones we have are retarded.

They mumble the same non sense over and over again.

There were no drops yesterday!!!!!!!

'Pittsburgh I believe is on their 3rd head coach in like 40 something years.'

Yes but they were only good in the seventies. They will brake Knee Caps to get the job done and whine at bihtc about being beat by the pats because they cheated.

Posted by: M&M | October 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

For all you Danny haters, I think that Gibbs has been the personnel decider since he arrived. Danny backed off after being burned so ofter. Gibbs is "The Desider", unfortunately.
And for all those who think we should blow draft picks on defense, I say "Whoa, pardner!" Offensive linemen are the hardest ones to come by in the offseason, especially if you dont have the cap room. Remember that Gibbs 1.0 success was riding on the backs of the Hogs, i.e. draft picks.
A good offensive line will make all other phases of the game work, including the defense (time of possession. Anyone else think that losing Dockerly is killing us now?

Posted by: Dale | October 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

jcabana - Muhammad doesn't appreciate people like you.

Posted by: jm220 | October 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow...I'm so hurt by fake Nate and fake sween that I may never come back! Boo hoo hoo.

Just kidding.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh and jcabana is a jerk. Please stay away.

Posted by: M&M | October 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow...I'm so hurt by fake Nate and fake sween that I may never come back! Boo hoo hoo.

Just kidding.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 07:01 PM

Now that was fake jcabana.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Please go away jcabana. We don't need jackazzes like you up here.

Posted by: Dik | October 30, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Might as well get your fill in now, fakers. For better or worse, your window of opportunity is closing.

Keep it coming, baby. It's just the Internet.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

You are not welcome jcabana.

Posted by: sfskin | October 30, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

We don't like you either jcabana. Please stop using us.

Posted by: The Internet | October 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

OMG I just got high jacked my first time ever.

Filling with rage.


KiLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Posted by: M&M | October 30, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Get a life jcabana.

Posted by: dealer | October 30, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not a troll and I do not post under fake monikers.

Posted by: not jcabana | October 30, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

jcabana - I'm going to have repectfully ask you to stay away.

Posted by: Lisa | October 30, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I leave for a couple of hours to hit the gym and come back and the blog has gone to hell. What is going on up here tonight? I do have some good news. I saved a lot of money by switching my car insurance to Geico. LMGO! Anyway's, fake JM220 enjoy the rest of tonight because starting tomorrow you will no longer be able to use my name.

Posted by: jm220 | October 30, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that was supossed to be "I left to go hit Jim (in the azz)" not "the gym"

Posted by: jm220 | October 30, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm a complete nit wit. I think I'm funny, do you think I'm funny too.

You think I'm pathetic?

It's really fun to see all my comments posted (heart!).

I have a My Little Pony poster on my wall too. Oh, I hear my mommy.

Posted by: Faker | October 30, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

jcabana, that was not me...that was a fake Lisa. Glad to see the BS will end.

Posted by: Lisa | October 30, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with a My Little Pony poster?

Posted by: jm220 | October 30, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

F off fake Lisa at 7:22.

Posted by: Lisa | October 30, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's Scouts Inc - Week 9 Early Preview

Why To Watch
While both teams are coming off tough losses, one team has a chance to make noise in the second half of the season and the other may need to look to next year for answers to their success. Washington was embarrassed in Week 8 versus an outstanding Patriots club while New York lost another divisional contest to drop virtually out of postseason contention. The Jets' offense is dismal and will have a tough time moving the ball versus a solid Redskins' defense that didn't show up versus New England. This contest should be a good one for Washington fans to watch as they have a chance to get a win on the road and stay close in the most competitive division in the league.

When the Redskins have the ball
Rushing: The Washington ground attack has been somewhat-average early in the season led by RB Clinton Portis. The Redskins' offensive line has been banged up and is inconsistent opening creases up front and Portis is more of an off tackle and perimeter type runner. Offensive coordinator Al Saunders likes to establish the Washington ground game early in the contest and will look to get Portis on track versus a somewhat-average Jets' defense. Fullback Mike Sellers is a solid blocker on the perimeter and can be physical on inside isolation plays.


Eric Mangini and defensive coordinator Bob Sutton employs a base 3-4 scheme and will use a variety of 4-3 fronts to off set their deficiencies in their line.The Jets are giving up an average of 134 yards per game on the ground and the combination of Portis and Ladell Betts are likely to have success in Week 9. Look for Saunders to force feed Portis with zone-stretch plays, off-tackle bounce schemes and sweeps to get to the perimeter. While Betts is better down hill between the tackles with Sellers leading the way. Look for Sutton to crowd the line of scrimmage with eight in the box to force the Redskins young quarterback Jason Campbell to move the chains through the air.


Passing: The Washington air attack has been less than impressive while Campbell only shows flashes of effectiveness, but he shows the arm strength and instincts to make all the throws. Saunders will stretch the field with Antwaan Randle El and Santana Moss. They can exploit short and intermediate zones with tight end Chris Cooley along with effective option routes and screens to Portis.


The Jets have been marginal stopping opponent's air attack and only generate eight sacks and six interceptions. Look for Sutton to take some chances with more pressure packages and zone blitzes. The Jets have made several changes on defense to shake up the lineup and find some answers to righting the ship. Look for Campbell to use the quick passing game along with play-action and five-step drops to exploit all levels of the field through the air.


When the Jets have the ball
Rushing: The New York ground attack has been marginal in the first half of the season with offseason acquisition Thomas Jones as their featured back. Jones is not flashy, but has the talent and strength to be an effective runner both inside and outside. The offensive line hasn't been playing well and opens few creases for Jones between the tackles. Jones doesn't have great perimeter speed and most opponents' load up the inside to force power plays to the edge.


Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer uses wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery and slash-player Brad Smith to get on the edge with misdirection schemes. Washington has been stingy versus the run and only yields 91 yards per game and the Jets struggle moving the ball on the ground by marking up only 90 yards per contest. Look for New York to take bigger splits up front to create natural creases for Jones to run through and take the pressure of their signal caller.


The Redskins use a base 4-3 scheme to defend the run and coordinator Greg Williams uses a variety of zone-run blitzes, interior stunts and eight-man fronts to keep opponents off balance. Look for Williams to crowd the line of scrimmage and force the game into rookie QB Kellen Clemens' hands.

Passing: Clemens has been named the starter for the Jets. New York has a few solid targets to get the ball to in wide receivers Laveranues Coles and Cotchery along with tight end Chris Baker. Much of the ineffectiveness at the quarterback position can be attributed to the pass protection. The Jets have been sacked 20 times thus far and it's likely that Schottenheimer will keep an extra player in to give Clemens time to scan a banged up Redskins' secondary.


Washington has arguably one of the better secondaries in the league, but will be with out Carlos Rogers (knee) who is out for the season. Williams uses a variety of two-deep man and zone coverage's along with combination pressure-package man schemes. The Redskins' defense was exploited in Week 8 by the most explosive air attack in the league. Look for the Washington defense to bounce back versus a very average New York passing game with good mixtures of pressure and zone packages.


Special Teams

Washington's special teams have been somewhat-inconsistent thus far starting with place kicker Shaun Suisham. He has above average leg strength hitting only 70 percent of his attempts. Punter Derrick Frost has a live leg and is effective pinning opponent's inside the 20-yard line. Randle El is the Redsnkins' punt returner and he has been effective in the past, but has been bottled up most of this season. Kick return duties go to Rock Cartwright and he runs with good vision and inside power.


The Jets have been solid with their special teams starting with punter Ben Graham. He has a solid leg and hangs the ball high inside the 20-yard line. Place kick Mike Nugent has a live leg and is capable of hitting a long field goal if needed. RB Leon Washington handles most of the return duties and has been one of the most dangerous kick returners in the league. He averages 32 yards per attempt and has marked up two touchdowns thus far. Washington also fields punts well, but hasn't made any explosive plays thus far.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I forgot. Go away jcabana.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys. Enough of being the fake guy. I'll stop now. It's all in good fun.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 30, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams will be head coach of the St. Louis Rams next year (in his home state), so no worries there, AEE.

Cowher or Russ Grimm should be the top 2 candidates, IMHO.

Posted by: Jake | October 30, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Jake, so Linehan is gone you reckon?

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins showed up in New England on a mission. That mission was to curl into a ball and scream "not the face" for 60 minutes of play.
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OMG!!! This had me ROFL!!!! That's tooooo funnnny!!!

Posted by: Not Anonymous | October 30, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

NO QUICK FIX:

The biggest problem with the Redskins organization has been the way they look for the quick fix. A successful franchise takes time to put together and requires long-term vision. It's also extremely rare for all the ingredients to come together--brilliant coaching, great front office and personnel decisions, and a group of players who buy into the scheme and check really play as a team.

Bringing back Gibbs was, in hindsight, the wrong call...again. What we need now is to find the 2008 equivalent of the 1980 Gibbs. A young, up and coming coach. Then pair him with a great GM. And finally, build for the long-term. Build though the draft while only picking up under-valued free agents, not big-name, big-ticket players. It might mean a couple of losing seasons (but hey, we're used to that by now) but if done right should pay off big for years.

Of course with the Danny as owner it probably won't happen. He's no JKC.

Posted by: jakeweed | October 30, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about Cowher. He was a good coach, but would he be able to co-exist with The Danny? I'd definitely prefer Russ Grimm. Keep it in the family.

I think Gibbs should stay on as president. Despite not having had much experience his first go-round, he's actually been decent at personnel evaluation. I stress decent. If the Redskins got a coach to also do personnel (a structure I don't agree with), you'd have to be sure that the person would do a better job than Gibbs has done.

Oh yeah - and I think this Gibbs/Saunders thing isn't working out. Either you hand over both the reigns and the philosophy to Saunders, or Gibbs should have kept his old offense. I feel like Saunders has been shackled.

And I've slowly but surely come around to the notion that Gibbs is over the hill as a coach. Just too much offensive futility, poor clock management, and horrible/nonexistent halftime adjustments. Let him call shots in the front office.

Posted by: jcabana | October 30, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm more of a man than Anthony Montgomery, Cornelius Griffin and Kedric Golston will ever be and I'm only 20. I have more sacks than all of them plus Landry combined.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 05:21 PM

Amobi Okoye, you also have 5 losses while these guys have only 3. By the way, you forgot to mention Andre Carter who has more sacks than you do and in less games. Having said that, you would have also been a fine pick, but Landry has 50 tackles while you only have 19.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Sween, good point about Carriker, but he was listed as a DE coming out of college. Even though his team is utilizing him at a different position, he was still ranked as the one of the best DE by draft experts. I completely agree regarding the Bears trade.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the part of the season where I tell myself and anyone else who will listen that I'm going to quit paying attention to the Redskins. I realize they've still got a winning record and are still in contention in the NFC, but Sunday's loss put an exclamation point on the Redskins not being a Super Bowl contender this year. I had my doubts when Thomas went down, but c'mon, even Miami scored 28 points on these guys. We're done. We're not competitive.

Don't anyone question my loyalty. I can't watch because it hurts too much. I finally get to watch the Skins game in the comfort of my own home on Sunday because they are playing the Jets, but I still don't think I want to watch. I don't want to see the game go down to the wire, and potentially see them lose to one of the worst teams in the league.

Injuries have been a huge problem this year. Our running game went with Thomas, and our defense may not recover from losing Rogers.

But, there's something else that troubles me. It's Gibbs. He's still the greatest coach ever to me, but not now. He was great in the eighties and early nineties, but not now. Remember when Michael Jordan came out of retirement to hang out with the Wizards? What a tease that was. We're living the same thing all over again. A legend--out of his prime--trying to do it all again. Things are different. I think Gibbs really wanted to save the Redskins because he loves the organization. That's different than the Jordan situation, but it essentially ends there. We're not getting the Gibbs of the eighties, just like we didn't get the Michael Jordan of the Bulls.

I don't agree with a lot of what I read of this post from AEE, but I do agree that Gibbs has a place here. I think Gibbs is influencing management in a good way, but the product on the field--as we saw on Sunday--is still not up to par.

On a different note, Campbell's fumbling troubles me.

Someone tell me that anything I've typed here is wrong. I want to hear a good reason that I'm wrong.

Of course I'll keep watching--I always do.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | October 30, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan:

it's called being a fan. you can't help but watch. it's like an addiction. you tell yourself after they play like crap and lose a game they had no business losing, that's it. i can't watch this sorry bunch of losers any more, it's breaking my heart. but then they're on the local tv and you can't help watching. next thing you know you're at a local sports bar watching the games that aren't broadcast locally.

the only good thing is that some day when they finally make it back to the top you'll enjoy the hell out of it, more than all the late-coming bandwagoners who like whatever team is hot at the moment...cough, cough...Red Sox...Jasno...cough.

Posted by: jakeweed | October 30, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Okoye, you also have 5 losses while these guys have only 3. By the way, you forgot to mention Andre Carter who has more sacks than you do and in less games. Having said that, you would have also been a fine pick, but Landry has 50 tackles while you only have 19.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 08:05 PM

Hey Idiot - Carter is a veteran and a DE which is supposed to have more sacks than a DT. I am a rookie and a DT and still have almost as many sacks.

Also Idiot - Landry is a SS and should have more tackles than a DT.

Do you know anythong about football?

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Dude I agree with ya. I to am having trouble for the first time ever watching this team as it inevitably will come down to the last few plays.

And for everyone that keeps mentioning our record,look at our losses, we gave up, were out coached,we simply looked foolish at times and its emabarrasing. As for our wins,except detroit, they all came down to the last few plays.

We are so far away from being a superbowl team and i think everyone just is afraid to admit it.Our offense cannot stay on the field. We lead the NFL in 3 and outs. Its pathetic and our defense has suffered because of it. We have so many staring injuries how long does everyone think this will last.

Believe i'm with ya on this one,we are headed for disaster. Everyone can pretend all they want but this offense belongs in college not the nfl.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

This is the part of the season where I tell myself and anyone else who will listen that I'm going to quit paying attention to the Redskins. I realize they've still got a winning record and are still in contention in the NFC, but Sunday's loss put an exclamation point on the Redskins not being a Super Bowl contender this year. I had my doubts when Thomas went down, but c'mon, even Miami scored 28 points on these guys. We're done. We're not competitive.

Don't anyone question my loyalty. I can't watch because it hurts too much. I finally get to watch the Skins game in the comfort of my own home on Sunday because they are playing the Jets, but I still don't think I want to watch. I don't want to see the game go down to the wire, and potentially see them lose to one of the worst teams in the league.

Injuries have been a huge problem this year. Our running game went with Thomas, and our defense may not recover from losing Rogers.

But, there's something else that troubles me. It's Gibbs. He's still the greatest coach ever to me, but not now. He was great in the eighties and early nineties, but not now. Remember when Michael Jordan came out of retirement to hang out with the Wizards? What a tease that was. We're living the same thing all over again. A legend--out of his prime--trying to do it all again. Things are different. I think Gibbs really wanted to save the Redskins because he loves the organization. That's different than the Jordan situation, but it essentially ends there. We're not getting the Gibbs of the eighties, just like we didn't get the Michael Jordan of the Bulls.

I don't agree with a lot of what I read of this post from AEE, but I do agree that Gibbs has a place here. I think Gibbs is influencing management in a good way, but the product on the field--as we saw on Sunday--is still not up to par.

On a different note, Campbell's fumbling troubles me.

Someone tell me that anything I've typed here is wrong. I want to hear a good reason that I'm wrong.

Of course I'll keep watching--I always do.

Dude I agree with ya. I to am having trouble for the first time ever watching this team as it inevitably will come down to the last few plays.

And for everyone that keeps mentioning our record,look at our losses, we gave up, were out coached,we simply looked foolish at times and its emabarrasing. As for our wins,except detroit, they all came down to the last few plays.

We are so far away from being a superbowl team and i think everyone just is afraid to admit it.Our offense cannot stay on the field. We lead the NFL in 3 and outs. Its pathetic and our defense has suffered because of it. We have so many staring injuries how long does everyone think this will last.

Believe i'm with ya on this one,we are headed for disaster. Everyone can pretend all they want but this offense belongs in college not the nfl.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Also if you want to get technical for DT's. I have just as many tackles than both of the Redskins starting DT's and more sacks than all of the Redskins DT's combined.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan - Sounds like you're losing hope mate! That's no good at all, we all know what happened to the USA Women's Soccer Team when they got rid of Hope!

Now, I'm not saying we're good enough to compete with the elite teams in the league, but there is reason for hope. We're 4-3, and most of us would agree that we can improve. Teams can have mid-season turnarounds, players and coaches can have an epiphany, which can make a world of difference. In Week 12 2005 the 7-3 Steelers were embarassed by the 10-0 Colts 26-7 (366 yds to 197 yds) on Monday Night Football. Now we all know that the Steelers went on to win the Superbowl that year, even though they probably weren't one of the elite teams that season. They had some luck (Palmer, Vanderjagt), some good calls (Offensive Pass Interference). Sometimes you don't have to be the best, to win it all.

So keep that hope alive, glass half full and all that, we're not even halfway into the season, and we have an above .500 record, we can improve!

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Amobi Okoye, you also have 5 losses while these guys have only 3."

So if we go by that comparison then I guess Portis is better than Stephen Jackson or LT, Carter is better than Jason Taylor, Santana Moss and ARE are better than Isaac Bruce and Chad Johnson, Campbell is better than Carson Palmer and so on and so forth.....you get my point.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

AEE, at a minimum please proof-read something written for mass consumption, and spell and grammar check is a handy tool available in all word processing programs.

Posted by: M.E.G. | October 30, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

There is something that I have been meaning to bring up. Suprisingly, I don't think anyone else has mentioned this...

Why didn't the Redskins try any stop and go routes against Asanti Samuels on Sunday? In the first half, Asanti was cheating so much I thought he would get a pick 6 for sure. A pump fake by Soups and Asanti is dead meat. FOX showed an angle and it was obvious that there was no deep help. Even if the deep pass doesn't connect, Asanti would have given our receivers a bigger cushion afterwards.

Surely I am not the only person that thought of this???

(Sorry to call you Shirley, Nate)

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 30, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

How about possession receiver? How about OL?

Posted by: Stumped | October 30, 2007 06:35 PM

Stumped, I read analysis of the upcoming draft that stated that there were no elite OL players in this draft are worth the first round draft pick, but plenty of 2 and 3 round talent at these positions. The good news is that the struggles of the offensive line this year are primarily results of injuries as opposed to the utter lack of talent. There's no reason that they cannot take a couple linemen in the 2 round and later for depth and develop him behind the starters. A posession receiver would be a good pick and will fill in the need, but with the amount of cap we comitted to WR position, I just don't see them using the first round pick on a wide receiver, but stranger things have happened.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I've said it here before, but I can see that I need to post once again.
The Redskins are a decent team that will go 10-6 or 9-7 (I haven't decided yet) and will win one playoff game.
So that's it. That's the end result. Don't bother yourselves worrying so much week in and week out. You will be OK and this will be a season that a few years from now you will look back on and say "that's where we started to turn things around."
I love you all.

Posted by: God | October 30, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Why didn't the Redskins try any stop and go routes against Asanti Samuels on Sunday? In the first half, Asanti was cheating so much I thought he would get a pick 6 for sure. A pump fake by Soups and Asanti is dead meat. FOX showed an angle and it was obvious that there was no deep help. Even if the deep pass doesn't connect, Asanti would have given our receivers a bigger cushion afterwards.

Surely I am not the only person that thought of this???"

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No, in fact if you had watched the game with the volume on (or close captioning) you would have noticed that Troy Aikman harped on that same point a number of times. Of course, it's also true. On the pass that JC threw to someone else (I forget who and for what result) he pump-faked to Moss first. Samuels bit, and if Moss had turned upfield he would have been wide open for a TD.

As they say in Kuwait, "oil well".

Posted by: jakeweed | October 30, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Cindy's boy toy - I think Aikman was calling for the same thing.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I heard Aikman comment on the fact that Samuels was anticipating the short pass. I did not hear Aikman or anyone else suggest a stop and go route to combat Samuels.

Even if Aikman saw it, it would have been nice if our coaches saw it, too. Maybe Weird Al noticed but was unable to relay the play (due to the whole broken headset/lack of comm. thing).

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 30, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should get Aikman as our next coach.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 30, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Also if you want to get technical for DT's. I have just as many tackles than both of the Redskins starting DT's and more sacks than all of the Redskins DT's combined.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 08:36 PM

Amobi Okoye impersonator, Cornelius Griffin has 24 tackles to your 19 and in less games than you played. By the way, you should not get touchy about me comparing Landry's tackles to Okoye's tackles. It's not an entirely fair comparison, but I wanted to give you your own medcine after you compared sacks by Landry to Okoye's sacks. In any event this comparison is less skewed than yours, because safeties are not expected to rack up sacks, but DTs are expected to stop run and make tackles. Also please refrain from calling people names, as it shows an entire lack of class.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I own Bill Belicheck's soul...

Posted by: Satan | October 30, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

and I'm a horribel speller...

Posted by: Satan | October 30, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I own Bill Belicheck's soul...

Posted by: Satan | October 30, 2007 09:04 PM

On first glance I assumed this was a fake post. But it is entirely possible...

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 30, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Okoye, you also have 5 losses while these guys have only 3."

So if we go by that comparison then I guess Portis is better than Stephen Jackson or LT, Carter is better than Jason Taylor, Santana Moss and ARE are better than Isaac Bruce and Chad Johnson, Campbell is better than Carson Palmer and so on and so forth.....you get my point.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 08:43 PM

Amobi Okoye impersonator, you are mistating my point. The point is that Landry improved his team more than Okoye did his in the win column. Even counting an abberational game against the NE, the teams defense is significantly better than last's year second to last defense that Skins had. Landry and London Fletcher did wonders for this unit. Amobi was a fine pick by his team, but Landry is great for this team.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Why does Bill Belichick have BB printed on the front of his sweatshirt? Is he afraid someone will steal it? Or is he worried that someone else might get their one mixed up with his.

I reckon he's pretty safe either way.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Danny Snyder made an inquiry about the possibility of selling his soul to me but I refused to pay for season tickets to Six Flags..

Posted by: Satan | October 30, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Kost. You made me feel a little better. BTW, when did this blog get taken over by weirdos?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | October 30, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan - It's the last day before registration starts, they're getting some fun in while they can.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

M - Maybe you should watch both me and Landry play football and as far as who improved who's team is improved more, take a look at how my D-line is improved compared to your "afraid of the big play" secondary after the end of the year. The major reason why the Redskins D is better than last year is because they are healthy and have a good LB core. It has absolutely nothing to do with Landry YET.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

And you're also counting assisted tackles. I have more solo tackles than your veteran Griffin. Even so you are comparing an 8 year Vet to a rookie.

Posted by: Amobi Okoye | October 30, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

geezus krist! who the f*** cares whether Okoye is better than Landry and vice-versa????????!!!!!!!!!!!! And for those few (other than you two bozos) who do, I think they got plenty of commentary by now out of the both of youse!

So SHUDDUP ABOUT IT ALREADY!

Posted by: jakeweed | October 30, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

F off jakeweed. If we want to compare apples to oranges then so be it.

Posted by: That's right | October 30, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Time to move on....no sense in comparing the skins to maybe the greatest team of alltime classless as they are...its the rest of our schedule we need to measure up to...many seem to have become irrational in thier exepectations....this is still a building process ....its really about campbells developement and being competitive in it in december...remember... the blog in the spring and summer 9/7 or 8/8 off a 5/11 with a good developing QB...thats still the way i'm looking at it.....now i'm no homer fool ...the offense has been regressing for the last few weeks... and as i stated and restated many times "we will go as far as the offense takes us" we need to estasblish some consistency downfield and in the middle of the field...wr's need to moving when they catch the ball... to many horizontal plays ...not saying go long but we do need better spacing in the passing game....not saying we are close..but I do think if and its a very big if we find a little MO can get the offense moving in the right direction....

Posted by: Old School | October 30, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I disagree on Williams.
I think he has the right mindset, but was not prepared to be a head coach in Buffalo.

I'm not worried about ego in a head coach. Belichick, Billick, Gruden, and Martz to name a few, all have huge egos. That ego hasn't kept them from winning (all have been to the super bowl). Let's not forget Wade Phillips was the previous head coach in Buffalo, he enjoyed some early success prior to letting the team slide to mediocrity, leaving Williams to coach a team led at QB by Alex Van Pelt.

He took that Buffalo defense from 21st in yards allowed, to 15th, then to 2nd. The offense was inconsistent, but I think if Saunders is given the reigns to that system that they will be successful soon. Let's not forget that Saunder has a LONG history of success on offense:
The Chiefs last ranked in the top 5 in offense yards in 1976, then all five years that Saunders was the Offensive coordinator they ranked 4th, 5th, 2nd, 1st, & 1st, then after he left they fell to 15th, and are now 29th so far in 2007.
They also were in the top 2 in scoring three straight years.

In conclusion... These two guys are top of their fields in offense and defense. Williams is the better leader of men (tell me he's not a leader when he makes starters out of late round draft picks - we had some issues last year, but every team that's losing has those issues to some degree) so he should be the head coach with Al Saunders maintaining his role as Asst Head Coach-Offense. Gibbs as Team President.

Posted by: shawn, md | October 30, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Old School, I agree, one of the things that is standing out to me, is the lack of intermediate routes. I said it the other day, but when we're calling for BALANCE it's not just run vs pass, it's everything. Left/Right/Middle, Short/Deep/Medium.

BALANCE

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one up here who understands why we're going to have to register?

The Post is looking for some fresh writing talent. Once we're registered, they know who we are. Cindy's already been checking us out. I expect two or three of us will be working for the Post -- maybe Cindy herself (ooh-la-la!) before the end of the year.

I'm not saying I'm one, but I think the Post has been trying to win me over. Each day, when I open the door, they've delivered me a newspaper so that I can get a feel for what it would be like to write for them.

Or, maybe they want me to be a delivery boy. Hmmm.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 30, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

te - Maybe they're after an Aussie Rules Insider! *crosses fingers*

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

AAEE,

I agree Gibbs should change roles or leave the team, I don't agree that Gibbs would make a good front office guy.

His whole MO (Modus Operandi) has been to dump draft picks and pay veteran free agents fat contracts and hold on to them for too long. Win now. That model does not work in the NFL anymore without a serious base of good young players developed in the draft (like half the team), like the Pats have. He has made some very big, super tough to swallow mistakes up here in that free agent department.

Conversely a couple of years of discipline from a guy like Marty Shottenheimer can load a team for 5 to 7 years.

For evey guy like Cooley you can point to or Landry, Campbell, etc. we had huge free agent busts (Brunel, Duckett, Archuletta, Lloyd, etc.) and paid too much for most of the draft success stories. Traded up (2 picks) for Cooley, high first on Rogers, Sean Taylor high first, Landry high first, traded up for McIntosh (2 picks), (2 number ones for Campbell) the list goes on and on. Because we dump rounds 2,3,4, and sometimes 5, we are left with star players (we pay anything to get exactly the guy we want) and a bunch of turds that don't make the team every year. Guys like Sartz, Lefuto, Palmer, Mccune, Broughton. This puts extra scrutiny and pressure on because you HAVE to get some late round gems because you mortgage the middle rounds every year on sweetening Free-agent trades and moving up in the draft.

Gibbs is also guilty of holding on too long to good players that become marginal becauase of injury history (Gibbs is super loyal), and those players also make big bank like Jansen, Brunel (before restructure) Daniels, Wynn, Samuels, Randy Thomas, Springs, M. Washington, Portis, then the team gets in deep trouble every time one of those guys gets hurt, because the drop off is huge to their replacements.

I don't think Gibbs has stocked this team with anything but miserable cap debt, and loads of banged up veterans. Worst of all, what little attention he has paid to stocking the offensive and defensive lines (THE CORE OF THE TEAM) have been fifth rounders or lower and undrafted free agents (Heyer, Montgomery, Alexander, Golston) and I challenge you to dispute that.

Posted by: DTC | October 30, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

te - From a few threads ago Cindy posted this-

Registration
Because Redskins bloggers have more to worry about than bogus information, anonymous posts and hijacked names -- There is strategy to be discussed! Guesses to be seconded! Sources to be probed! -- the Redskins Insider will require a user name and password. Our goal is to start registration Wednesday. Thanks!


You must be feeling pretty lucky that you're a Talent Evaluator, and not a soon to be probed source!

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

kost--

Right, mate, keep them crossed. I think they'll fo for that right after they've started a cricket blog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 30, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

You know, when we register you don't have to stick with kost52, which none of us really understands anyway. If you're really quick you could grab "Source to be probed." Me, I'm planning to stay up all night, be the first, and grab "Jason La Canfora."

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 30, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Haha, I don't think you'll have any trouble getting that one, although Jasno La Canfora might be taken already!

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Do i need a password yet?

Posted by: testing | October 30, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

does registration start at midnite?

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 30, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Jags have signed Grady Jackson.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Balance!
Lust for Mayhem!
Attack you Idiots!
Maps for U.S. Americans!
Panties!

And of course, Obsolescence!

Posted by: 4-12 | October 30, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Has J Gibbs ever commented on being abandoned by Coy Gibbs, going to motocross, while he endures being humbled during J Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: Jason C | October 30, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Pretty excited about registration going into effect tomorrow up here... so much of this crap will be behind us.

Don't get me wrong, there will still be chooches, duechebags and arse-clowns (I know because I'll be one of them!), but they'll be OFFICIAL.

And there will never, ever again be a comment falsely attributed to someone other than the person who posts it. I feel like a one-issue political candidate, beating the drum about the fake posts, but I can't stress enough how incredibly uncool that has been.

Hold on, here's a little rant...

F the guy who posted comments under my nickname back in August.

Since being so prickly and overdefensive and unfriendly that I earned the nickname "Barney Fife," I have tried to refrain from ad hominem attacks up here, but I mean that effing in all sincerity.

I asked you to email me so we could discuss why you were posting under my name, but you refused. I begged you to stop, but you refused. You just kept posting and posting and posting as "Nate in the PDX." I hope you enjoyed it.

You are the reason I almost quit the blog, and you are the reason I have so doggedly advocated registration/login, which will change the blog permanently, mostly for the better but with the sacrifice of a lot of the free-wheeling spirit. Most of all, you broke a cardinal rule of behavior in a forum like this. You suck.

So F you, dude. F you.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 30, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Vinnie from the Bronx- How's things Down Under today?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 30, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I would not be surprised if they tried to get another quality TE, who can catch a pass as a possession type receiver. I could see 2 TE sets from which they could either run or pass.

Posted by: M | October 30, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist, if you're out there, I did see you addressed a post to me and others earlier today, and I have been meaning to respond. Was just too busy at work today. Let me go back and find it and give it a proper response...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 30, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Not too bad 4-12, not too bad at all. Spring Racing Carnival is on over here, lovely looking ladies all frocked up all over the shop. Good time of the year.

How about yourself? Basking in your Patriot like victory over my Aussie pal?

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

DTC, I do dispute your comments. While Gibbs and Co (heck, even before Gibbs & Co) previously did bring in high priced free agents and shun the draft, they did not go down that path this season. They cut Wynn, Salavea, and Marshall which I know was hard for Gibbs to do. And I believe we have 6 or 7 draft picks next season.

Posted by: Lisa | October 30, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I am here. Fire away.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 30, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

AEE has rehashed everything from the blog (as another poster pointed out), so nothing new there.

I would feel free to blame the coaching if I thought the players looked like they were trying hard, but what I'm seeing is the phenomenon of generational differences played out on the ballfield.

Baby boomers (last ones born in about 1965) live to work, Gen X and Gen Y work to live -- in the style they grow accustomed to.

The coach isn't dropping passes. The coach isn't missing tackles.

It's a mental thing with the players. It's not clear to me that a younger coach would overcome any of that.

And I have to disagree that Brunell was a bust. He's the QB that last got the Skins to the playoffs, so detractors should stop it.

One other thing: Can someone explain in 3 sentences or less the logic of blaming the owner of the Skins for the bad showing on the field (when the showing is bad)? I don't get THAT, either. Is it just a case of lumping it into one box -- that the Skins have rarely had a winning season since The Danny bought the team?

Posted by: one of assorted anons | October 30, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Kost- I'm much better now that the baby has gone back to sleep!

Tell your mate I'm sorry I ran up the score on him. Classless move. Who'd do such a thing anyway?

See you all after registration...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 30, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Since The Danny has bought the team the Cowboys have not won a playoff game.

Just saying...

Posted by: bangkokben | October 30, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but I think this is one of the most creative things I've ever seen:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3087270

Very cool.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 30, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, it is isn't it! My question is where did the rings come from? Have 5 players/coaches donated them? Or did they have a few extra ones lying around?

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

one of...while your characterization of Gen X and Y are gross generalizations, I do get your point. Which was my point all along about the coaching.

Look, most of our lives aren't that different from professional athletes. We go to our jobs, there is politics at our workplace, we go to meetings, we prepare for big events, we focus on fundamentals, etc. Often, because we are all human, we get complacent and we need a kick in the rear or a hand on the shoulder to get us going again.

In our jobs, that's a manager's role. To give us goals and metrics to measure our success, to help us through problems we don't know how to solve, to give us a hand when we're down, to be understanding of our personal lives and how they sometimes interfere in our professional lives, and to reward us when we succeed.

In professional sports, that is the coaching staff's responsibility. Forget for a second that they deal with X's and O's and I (personally) deal with spreadsheets and marketing plans. I have managers who describe a goal, vision, or milestone that we must meet. In turn, I have a staff to whom I must translate those goals which I've been given.

In the end, if I'm not prepared, my manager has to ask why and then get me prepared or move me to another assignment. If I'm not focused, my manager has to get me focused. If I'm being disruptive, my manager has to kick me in the rear. And, ultimately, if I'm not doing my job, my manager has to fire me.

When I see players not hitting their blocking assignments, or dropping passes, or running the wrong route, or being careless with the football, or any number of things we've seen the 'Skins do this year, I am obviously witnessing a player's lack of execution. No doubt about it, and there are no excuses for it. But I am also witnessing a coaching staff who has not adequately prepared the player and focused them on doing their job.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 30, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

My question is where did the rings come from?

Or did he somehow steal some of Baltimore's?

Posted by: Megskin | October 30, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

So Mike Williams is available... anyone want to gamble on a 6-5 230lb. LAMF? As I recall, there were a lot of people who wanted him over Rogers...

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 30, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

When I see players not hitting their blocking assignments, or dropping passes, or running the wrong route, or being careless with the football, or any number of things we've seen the 'Skins do this year, I am obviously witnessing a player's lack of execution. No doubt about it, and there are no excuses for it. But I am also witnessing a coaching staff who has not adequately prepared the player and focused them on doing their job.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 30, 2007 11:20 PM


Notice how all the things you mentioned were related to the offense? To me it all just smacks of too many Chiefs not enough Indians. We question who does the play calling, Gibbs or Saunders. It's Gibbs' team, but Saunders' offense, but yet Buges is higher ranked than Saunders. I bet the players are just as confused, with so many 'higher powers' it's probably not outrageous to think there are situations where a player is told one thing by one coach, then another thing by a different coach.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

By the way, just wanted to give two thumbs up the Brett Favre. Loved watching the game last night, the saw him interviewed afterwards where he said something along the lines of "Man, that was a fun game to play, I can't wait to get home and watch it"

How can you not love that guy.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Not long until midnight. This could be some sort of Y2k Build Up/Let Down.

Posted by: kost52 | October 30, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Boo!

Happy Halloween.

No change at this stage.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh no I can't post

I can't post

I can't post

I can't post

I can't post

I can't post

Well maybe I can

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 31, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh no no one else can post!

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 31, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Just reading Jasno's article -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/30/AR2007103002225.html

Anyone know anything about the new LB Tyson Smith?

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist, I really do appreciate the thoughtful post a few threads back. Several others have responded directly or indirectly on the subsequent threads, and I know everybody is sick and tired of discussing registration, but as usual I'm up to the task of more blather on that subject.


Separating registration (a solution to some problems) from the personal attacks you are concerned with. I mentioned above that I have not always been very welcoming up here. I was the most overzealous abuser of "ITA" during a spate of blog nastiness, and I earned the (completely deserved) nickname "Barney Fife." I pooped in the punch bowl. I have tried since then to be more respectful, more circumspect, in the way I greet newcomers up here.

What used to cause me the most upset, and still riles me up a good bit (though the meds are helping), is when anybody posted a comment that -- whatever substantive argument it may have contained -- included what I considered personal antagonism. Anybody who jumped into the conversation and immediately went about insulting the people in the conversation. This is not a chicken-egg thing; it has happened over and over again that someone wanders in and starts throwing mud. THAT is what has always upset me. Skinz put it well: "it has to do with the way you carry yourself."

You claim that this remains a very unwelcoming place, because it's difficult for a newcomer to feel you have a chance to make a logical argument without being "shouted down." I don't believe there is a double standard at work, that "regulars" are given a pass on ad hominem attacks. I don't condone anything I perceive as deliberately provocative, personally antagonistic behavior, no matter the source. But I do agree this hasn't always been as friendly a place as it should be.

I myself felt very unsure about posting, just lurking for about four months before tiptoeing in with my first comment (around this time last year, as a matter of fact). Again, I wish the blog were more welcoming, because I love how the conversation grows and evolves over time as new voices come into the mix, and I do believe it will be so, when we have registration and login in place.

[I should note here that regulars HAVE very frequently engaged each other in substantive debate. Look at Lisa and Ricky Bobby. dealer and I had a two-week slugfest over the relative merits of Brady and Manning. Just to name two examples off the top of my head.]

I never asked WashPo to add a blog with public comments to their site. Not sure where you got that idea, that it was any of us who helped launch the blog. I'm really glad they did, because it has helped me be a better fan after relocating from VA to OR.

And yes, I have been fortunate to connect with a bunch of people through the blog and meet up in person, and while I realize that may seem goofy or lame or cliquish or whatever, it's been a lot of fun, and I'm going to keep doing it. Maybe someday you and I will have a drink together and have a good laugh. Don't rule it out.

(Working through your list of questions and issues.)

Yes, you got me, I am in the camp of regulars who are more inclined to "constantly give this team a pass." That's how I roll; I am a soft-hearted, soft-headed Pollyanna. But for you to say that all the "regs" are the same way just indicates you haven't been reading very closely! The Redskins' ownership, front office, coaching, players, game day experience etc. have been criticized in every imaginable form since this blog was launched, and just about everyone who has posted has taken a turn!

One thing to note: I have no idea what anyone else has complained to the Washington Post about, but there has been plenty to complain about in the past sixteen months up here. Vulgarity, threats, completely unacceptable behavior that has no place in a forum like this. But none of that has prompted complaints from me; I myself have complained repeatedly to Cindy (whose email address is available to anyone, and who really welcomes feedback) on the specific issue of comments falsely attributed to others. I see a comment at 6:58pm tonight attributed to me which I did not post. This breaks my heart a little bit, which I realize sounds stupid to many of you. But registration will prevent that from ever happening again.

Wrapping it up, and thanks for reading this far: I'm sorry you haven't felt more welcome, and I'm sorry if I responded in a negative and insulting way when you joined the conversation. I hope my rambling, disjointed response has made some sense. You said you "have a lot more to address," and I welcome the dialogue, whether here or via email (nateinthepdx@gmail.com). I hope you stick around, dude. Thanks.

HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow... John Locke's Second Treatise on Government was shorter.

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

(We kid because we love, Satchmo!)

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I didn't get where I am by being brusque, cload!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I also object to your characterization of the debate Up Here -- whether between regulars or not -- as "substantive". The best we can hope for is "amusing"...

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 12:48 AM | Report abuse

wait a minute, how do I know that that two-page post wasn't penned by a fake Nate?

The only person who I can completely eliminate is Jasno -- no way he types that much without suffering a keyboard spasm -- one so severe it gives him a bad hammie!

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Joe - Bobby = 0

Posted by: Dick James | October 31, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

"Relatively substantive?"

I couldn't think of a good pair of descriptors to use for the two main kinds of bloggage we see up here, which SkinsRealist was talking about: less emotional discussion and debate of topics with, like, fact and things, versus the more heated and more emotional stuff like the occasional slapfights we have.

(I am relieved that SkinsRealist didn't mention jibba jabba, the category of bloggery which of course is my bread and butter.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Dick knows of where he speaks.

Posted by: Bill McPeak | October 31, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Bill is OK with me.

Posted by: Randy James | October 31, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Skinsrealist makes Jack look thick skinned and rational

Posted by: chris larry | October 31, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Well, the only difference between our "relatively substantive" discussions and, say, Clinton Portis and Sean Taylor discussing my ability to deploy an enterprise data architecture in accordance with the federal enterprise architecture is that my English is better.

And Sean Taylor could make the architecture conform.

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

To newbies wannabes shut up and listen.

Posted by: Griffith Stadium | October 31, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 58 | Key
Alert: Y (Developmental Player)

Comment: Smith is athletic and efficient in his movements. He is somewhat versatile, with past experience at end and outside linebacker. He has a good motor and could be a factor on special teams. He pursues hard and will chase down some plays. He has good lateral mobility and change-of-direction skills. He can turn and run pretty well and appears fairly natural in coverage schemes. He closes well on balls in front of him. But Smith is a 'tweener -- not big or strong enough to play end, not fast or explosive enough at linebacker. He doesn't show enough ability at any position to rush the quarterback. His lack of success as a blitzer limits his usefulness.


26 Years Old from Iowa State, 6'2" 240lbs, played in 3 games for the Giants last year, getting a total of 4 tackles. Was signed by the 49ers earlier this season when Manny Lawson went on IR, but obviously has since been cut, and signed by us!

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

By the way, the above is about Tyson Smith the new linebacker on our practice squad to fill the spot left by John Eubanks.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow Nate, I think that might just be the longest, non-cut and paste, post we've seen.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 1:37 AM | Report abuse

You know I've been at loose ends since the Boren Ultimatum, kost.

This implementation of registration/login has given me a bit of a boost. Kind of like there is a backlog of pent-up blog energy that can be unleashed. And a chance to clear the air, etc. A sea change, if you will. A big big turning point. Or something like that.

Hence my inclination to post a couple of long diatribes. Hope it wasn't too difficult to scroll past.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Nah, I don't scroll past anything, I'm stupid enough to have read the entire SIGN CHRIS COOLEY posts, you know, just in case there's a hidden gem in there, or in case it's one of those magic eye thingy's where if you look hard enough you see a pony.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:02 AM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding me. I gave up this for Sonny.

Posted by: Norm Snead | October 31, 2007 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I feel the need to cloths line a lot of SJK's.

Posted by: Chris Hamburger | October 31, 2007 2:21 AM | Report abuse

HOF nominees (the big field) announced... of course our beloved #28 is on the list.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/30/AR2007103002085.html

Wouldn't it be something, after all these years of waiting, to see Art Monk inducted to the HOF in the same class as Darrell? Good golly, that would be great.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 2:22 AM | Report abuse

That would be pretty sweet wouldn't it.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:40 AM | Report abuse

And for the hell of it, Russ Grimm as well!

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:48 AM | Report abuse

I see Eric Metcalf is one of the former Redskins on the list. What a memorable first touch he had. Didn't he muff his first punt return, but then pick it up and return it for a TD? Something dramatic like that.

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Nope, he didn't fumble it, don't know where I got that from.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A2230-2001Oct28

Posted by: kost52 | October 31, 2007 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Look at you, with the monoblogging, kost! Nice work.

Where the hell has the time gone? I gotta get some sleep... expecting a new post in the morning, in whatever format will be in place to require registration/login to comment.

Hail to the blog!

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 3:09 AM | Report abuse

nate in the*ssho*e Art monk sucked he was a slow receiver that Defenses didnt game plan for and it was ok to let him catch more balls because they knew He couldnt beat them! Go change your diaper and fill your kool-aide bottle & dont whine and cry about art monk!!!!


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Posted by: natesuksbangkok&jm220 | October 31, 2007 6:29 AM | Report abuse

nate good morning hope you dreamed about new sign in registration your posts around 3:00 suggest you might even be excited well guess what the rule is to get in? come on guess? Drink kool-aide & bend over and most of all be a CRYBABY? You fit all these so the door is wide open.WAWAWA AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: natebendsover4kost | October 31, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Sad to say, but I agree with the article. Coach Gibbs looks old and out of place on the sidelines any more. This is the new NFL as the Pats showed us. Play to win, not to lose. Crush the other teams spirits and break their will to even come on the field. The Redskins looked awful against them. They would have looked better if they had just called the league office and forfitted the game.

I love Joe Gibbs, but this old style offense no longer works and is too predictable.

Sad Redskins Fan.

Posted by: Wayne | October 31, 2007 7:11 AM | Report abuse

A new day with new rules. Get a new post up and let the lust for mayhem begin. I am ready for the team to lay the wood on the JETS

Posted by: jm220 | October 31, 2007 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Registration yet?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I thought we had switched to lust for bewilderment?

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 31, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

F the guy who posted comments under my nickname back in August.

I asked you to email me so we could discuss why you were posting under my name, but you refused. I begged you to stop, but you refused. You just kept posting and posting and posting as "Nate in the PDX." I hope you enjoyed it.

You are the reason I almost quit the blog, and you are the reason I have so doggedly advocated registration/login, which will change the blog permanently, mostly for the better but with the sacrifice of a lot of the free-wheeling spirit. Most of all, you broke a cardinal rule of behavior in a forum like this. You suck.

So F you, dude. F you.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 30, 2007 10:37 PM

From August???? Boy you really are a loser if you can't let that go.

Posted by: I will be here when registration Starts | October 31, 2007 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Makes me wish he actually did quit the blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I know there will still be trolls after registration and login are in place for posting comments. I have made that expectation abundantly clear.

I've also said that I probably take the name spoofing a little too seriously, and I understand why that would seem ridiculous to most of you. But in my opinion that's been the worst aspect of this open forum, because there has been nothing to prevent anyone from posting any comment attributed to a name which is someone's established "blog identity," and we've seen it happen over and over again. To me and to others -- there's been a jm220 imposter up here for weeks now. And I hate it every time this happens, no matter who is being spoofed.

It's gotten so bad I question the source of EVERY comment attributed to nicknames I recognize. And that's an element of not-fun which I will be relieved to see go away.

So to recap: trolls, haters, and deuchebags will of course continue commenting on the blog after registration/login is in place. I wouldn't have it any other way. But it will be a little bit harder for them to comment, their comments will never be anonymous, and their comments will never be falsely attributed to anyone else's name.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Nat you don't have to explain yourself. A lot of use agree with you and have your back.

Posted by: jm220 | October 31, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

4-12 said he wasn't going to register as 4-12. As I see that as a realistic probablity. I will try to obtain that name.

Posted by: 5-11 | October 31, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

While I think the registration is regrettable it's upon us. Having said that, you don't have to explain yourself to the peanut gallery Nate.

Posted by: Skinz | October 31, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

5-11, I hope the Skins put all the 4-12 talk to bed (at least until this coming offseason!) by taking care of business at the Meadowlands this Sunday.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 31, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

We can always hope. But I just don't think our offense can score. And we can't expect the defense to do everything.

Posted by: 5-11 | October 31, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

First of all, Joe Gibbs is a Coach. The President monniker is so Danny can just stay out of the way and Vinny not have complete personnel control.

The real issue is where IS Joe Gibbs?

Where is the guy who was always stoic after winning games?

Where is the guy who once slammed his hand on a projector in a team meeting because of a quote Dexter Manley gave to the press about the Cowboys?

Where is the Hall of Famer in 1991 who was angry that Playboy Magazine picked his team to win the Super Bowl?

Where is the guy who once knocked down a table with Gatorade on it because the team was down 14-0 at the half against the Cardinas?

Where is the man who was known for making in-game adjustments, including adjusting the blocking assignments in Super Bowl XXII because Denver was using a 3-4 defense?

Can someone find the gentleman who used a no huddle offense against the Bills, a team known for using the strategy, in Super Bowl XXVI?

Bottom Line: This goes beyond Xs and Os, or personnel matters.

We don't need Joe Gibbs the President, we need THE REAL JOE GIBBS.

That is what this team is missing. I'm going to file a missing coach's report, because I don't know the guy who is coaching right now.

As for his successor, that guy is in Arizon coaching the o-line.

Russ Grimm, come on down...in 2 years.

If someone finds Joe Gibbs, let me know. This team won't get to where it wants to go until that Joe Gibbs comes back.

Posted by: dg | October 31, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

That Gibbs was gone once he successfully addressed his heart disease.

Posted by: Dik | October 31, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Kost, It's a sailboat.


-Silent Bob

Posted by: Dik | October 31, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I think this analysis is partly true. Here's my take on why things seem to be going south...

It has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with loyalty. IMO, Gibbs sticks with guys too long, when it is obvious the time to move on has come. In the past, it was guys like Brunell. In the present, it is Portis. I'm not saying Portis is done, but I'd love to see Betts in for a full game. I'd bet we'd see a 100 yard game from a running back again. Don't talk about Bett's average - he's a back that gets better once he can get his rhythm, so it is unfair to judge him on a handful of carries run sporadically over 4 quarters.

Following on the Gibbs as President theme... I think this is the best scenario. To me, what gets lost on a lot of people is how Gibbs has restored character and pride on the team. Lots of teams would be ready to hang it up, but the Skins seem to be ready to roll (we'll know for sure this Sunday!)

Think T.O. would have gone to Dallas if Gibbs wasn't around? I think Snyder would have outbid everyone.

In a league where guys are getting busted all the time, or showboating on every play (if they're not pouting), Gibbs has brought in the right kinds of players. I'd love to keep that with him as team president, and perhaps GM.

My only fear of Gibbs as president is that we might have to keep the 150 coaches we have on staff, which appears to have been the definition of too many cooks in the kitchen for too long. I think no one owns the offense, so the offense looks like it stinks. I think the wishy-washy play calling by committee is what stinks.

I hope Gibbs is around the organization for a long time. And I hope we can get a reasonable coaching staff and true GM with it.

Posted by: #1 fan in winchester | October 31, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I am really worried about this game. Getting pounded like we did could cause some serious doubt to be creeping into the minds of the players. Gibbs needs to drop some swinging soul bombs on them and get them ready to rock and roll.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 31, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

PDC,

Not me, this team is either mad as hell and comes out and kicks butt or going to roll over cause they got their feewings huwt. If it's former we may be better for the A-whoopin if it's the latter then they don't deserve another win all season anyway.

Posted by: Skinz | October 31, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Pulldown,
We've been waiting for that for 3 weeks now. What makes you think anything is going to change on offense?

Posted by: 5-11 | October 31, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

when does registration start so all this gay "not nate" etc stuff can stop

Posted by: fake registration | October 31, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Registration is bogus. Cindy was just trying to stir people up. She will be shown the door a la Jason Reid. Carry on.

Posted by: WaPo Security | October 31, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm glad Skinz has the faith, I'm not so sure who this team is yet. They need to destroy the Jits and get their schwerve back.

And I get more and more pi$$ed that Grilliams didn't send the house after pretty boy on every play in the second half. It wasn't because Leigh Torrence would've got torched one on one, would it?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 31, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

For thos ewho call for Betts.

The Fins had the same problem at season start. We were splitting carries between Ronnie Brown and Jesse Chatman because Cam wasn;t a believer in Brown. That proved to be totally ineffective.

Once we flipped to giving Brown virtually all the carries he started running for 100+ yards every week, he is a back who definitely gets stronger as the game goes on and the defense hits the holes just a little slower.

Now that Brown is on IR and Chatman is carrying the load on his own he is also beginning to show much more.

I'd say give Betts a chance, what do you have to lose? Portis just looks out of sorts this year, if you take the Miami game out of his stats (because we couldn't stop my grandma running earlier this year) he may still have some short-range TDs but his yards per carry are garbage.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 31, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

PDC,

That has been bugging me all week as well. We were getting torched anyway, so why not bring the heat and maybe inflict a little punishment along the way.

That has always bothered me about GG. He sticks to his game plan whether it's working or not.

Posted by: etrod | October 31, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Sunday's game will also be the first time former Redskins wide receiver Laveranues Coles faces Washington since being traded for Santana Moss in 2005. Coles left the Redskins after criticizing the offense in 2004 and was chastised by Redskins owner Daniel Snyder before his departure."
From Today's WAPO

Gibbs should hang the above clip up in the locker room to remind every player that the top receiver for this week's opponent had the stones to criticize our offense. Let's see what LC has to say when the Gibb's and Co. hang 13 on his Jets this Sunday!

Posted by: mac | October 31, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

test test. checking whether I needed to have registered today.

Posted by: dcsween | October 31, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Couple things, if I may:

The 'other paper in town had a number of changes that they think would have a positive effect on the team:

More touches for Betts
Pierson Prioluo as the 3rd corner
Chris Wilson coming off the edge, instead of Marcus Washington
Less passes thrown to Thrash, and more thrown to Keenan.

If the Redskins come out on Sunday, attempting to do the same thing they've done for the past 7 games, and been LARGELY unsuccessful at it, then I'm sorry, but Joe needs to go.

There are no more 'power running teams' in the league, because passing is what teams do more often than running. Teams pass to set up the run. If there aren't changes made, then Joe is just too stubborn, and too out of touch to be coaching this team. If he can't see that what he's trying to do isn't working, then thanks for the memories, but your time has passed.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 31, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hi,

My name is Skippy and I have a medal plate in my head. I am not in flavor of the idea to have regurgitation on this block. I like to right different thoughts and say that I am Readcoat. What if someone restructures as Redboat before I can? It would make my life harder.

Thank you, Miss Moron, if you change your mind about this. Do you have a metal plate too? It helps for changing your mind.

Posted by: Skippy | October 31, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Is this a confession or just another fake post?


Hell half the regulars on this blog attacked newcomers when they first posted. That's why I gained great pleasure in spoofing them and watching them run to Wapo crying their eyes out.

Well its been fun, stay classy Redskins Insider.

F Redcoat!

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 30, 2007 06:01 PM


El Diablo,

Good point made yesterday.


Posted by: Skinz | October 31, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

not yet. until the registration kicks in, assume the dcsween posts btwn now and then are fakes.

p.s. full on props to jcabana!

Posted by: dcsween | October 31, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm predicting a loss for our Skins this weekend. It will be a close game but our offense will once again be anemic and our defense will wear down in the 2nd half. Clemens will have a break out game.

Posted by: Throwdini | October 31, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Agree in large part with post.

don't believe that any good young coach is going to want to come in and have an icon over his shoulder. Also the skins play atrocious fundamental football. AEE noted lack of ability/willingness to spread the field, what it did not note is that noone seems to want to work with the young QB to keep him from setting up outside the pocket (watch brady's quick drops and then step up into pocket -- JC sets up in a position where the outside blockers would have to move the end out 30 yards to keep him from getting hit. Million other things similarly dreadful. Some decent talent especcially on D, but this coaching staff is not the answer and despite how much JC seems like a great kid and calm leader I ask anyone to please tell me the list of successful NFL QBs with long throwing motions (and JC has the longest I have ever seen with the exception of Leftwhich). Lot of good things going on but this should be about winning championships with the Taylor/Landry/McIntosh/Montgomery core, going 9-7 and wildcarding is not a goal.

Posted by: austin skins fan | October 31, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Testing one two three

Posted by: Mad Dog | October 31, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's see what LC has to say when the Gibb's and Co. hang 13 on his Jets this Sunday!
Posted by: mac | October 31, 2007 10:14 AM

LMGO.

Posted by: etrod | October 31, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Lay off LC. He had nothing but good things to say about the 'Skins when Pete Kendall was traded here. He was quoted in the New York Times saying that Kendall was lucky to be coming here and that the 'Skins were a real player's organization.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 31, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey 5-11...I'm definitely keeping the 4-12 moniker

Posted by: 4-12 | October 31, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The Jets have lost some close games to AFC opponents other than the Giants and Eagles. Do not take them lightly. This is by no means a "gimme" or a "rebound" game.

Redskins anemic offense = loss

Posted by: Throwdini | October 31, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

So how many of you are planning on grabbing up several screen names such as Joe Gibbs, Receiver, The, Vinny C, etc.?

Posted by: Poll | October 31, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this post is a bit late but can we ask our future guest bloggers do some spell check and syntax corrections?

We deserve better than a semi-literate ramblings.

Posted by: Thor | October 31, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I have not posted for awhile, very busy at work and home.

Registration - I have already done it. You can update your normal profile for Wapo and pick a new name, but you only get one chance. My new moniker will be Markin21132.

Some articles already require registration to post a comment - see Maske's article on Belicheck for today.

Redcoat/Skippy, I was pretty sure there were a few screws loose. That is now confirmed.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 31, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm so anal.

Posted by: Thor | October 31, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

4-12,
If you're keeping it I guess I'll just have to be off by 1 with 5-11.

Posted by: 5-11 | October 31, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

So Jason Reid is gone? Did he quit or was he fired?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Lay off LC. He had nothing but good things to say about the 'Skins when Pete Kendall was traded here. He was quoted in the New York Times saying that Kendall was lucky to be coming here and that the 'Skins were a real player's organization.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 31, 2007 10:37 AM

It was a joke. Much like our offense.
I have no problem with LC, how he plays and what he said.

Posted by: mac | October 31, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

In nothing but my buffalo briefs...I got 'em standing in line...

Posted by: Tim M. | October 31, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Can someone provide a quick recap on what happened with Jason Reid. Not whether he is/is not still a Redskins beat reporter, but the incident that happened at Redskins Park. Seriously, the guy just got here...what could he have really done that was so bad?

Posted by: CheekyMonkey | October 31, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Thor, I agree. I was surprised to see a guest blog filled with incomplete sentences and shoddy grammar.

New thought:

Since Gibbs signed a 5 year contract and seems to intend on sticking around for a max of 5 years, I'm thinking that this was reflected in his personnel philosophy.

In his first few season, he was intent on bringing in players that he wanted and that he thought would help the team win quickly. It was more important, he thought, to get the team up and going quickly than to build talent through the draft (because he wanted to make the franchise a success again, and knew that building through the draft would take several years to accomplish success), and thus draft picks were traded in favor of trying to get the team back to success in a rather short amount of time.

Now that he only has one year let (or possibly no years left after this one), he feels that it is his responsibility to start building the team properly and saving draft picks. If he can't make the team a success now, he might as well set it up to be successful in the future by keeping draft picks and drafting quality players.

That just kind of seems to me what Joe Gibbs was thinking when he came back. Thoughts?

Posted by: swb | October 31, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid got caught with Chris Cooley's fiance in the hot tub in the training room.

Posted by: Perez Hilton | October 31, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

When it comes to Gibbs, this is the underlying opinion of a growing percentage of Redskins fans. With regard to Vinny Cerrato, I don't know a single Redskins fan that defends this guy or his moves. The lapses in judgement are so glaring, one has to wonder if his Player Bio information comes from EA Sports John Madden 2007 video game. Until this man goes, this organization will continue to flail its arms in the air, grasping at straws with free agents, waste draft picks, and renegotiating contracts for quality contributing veterans because they've overspent. Again.
But what does Snyder care? He's making money, for now.

Posted by: Josh | October 31, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Mark, I hope that is not the case with registration, but I fear it is. Someone has hijacked my moniker through that channel, so I will need to come up with a new one.

How does "Sheelana, temptress of the woods" sound?

Posted by: etrod | October 31, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

JReid inadvertently horned in on an "exclusive" interview conducted by Larry Michael after the Cardinals game. Apparently it was enought to get him canned. Or was it?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

jm22o
learn how to spell 8:51 post us not use FUC**NG dummy

Posted by: jm220s kindegarden teacher | October 31, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Etrod, you will need to enter it like this - no spaces allowed.

Sheelana_temptress_of_the _woods

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 31, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Nevermind, it loses something in the translation.

Posted by: etrod | October 31, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This blog has and always will be able to keep anybody out they can stop ANY computer from posting NO MATTER WHAT POST NAME it comes from same computer!! They obviously see that you WHINERS are doing EXACTLY what your conplaining about(jm220 has posted as many different post names)THEY know it comes from same computer as jm220!! But he CRYS when people figure him out and attack back!!!I know for a FACT they can do this like the rules say before you log in!!!Registration is just a cover for them to act like they are doing something when actually THEY LUV IT!!

Posted by: THIS IS FOR ALL THE KOOL-AIDE DRINKING SISSYS | October 31, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Ok enough fun Boofer, get on the bus. It's time for your meds.

Posted by: Short Bus Driver | October 31, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is up with this obsession with me? For the record I have never posted under any name other! I really don't see the purpose of that and think it is really childish.

Posted by: jm220 | October 31, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

jm220's kindergarten teacher doesn't know how to spell kindergarten or show possession.....

Posted by: mmok | October 31, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Daggumit Boofer!!! I thought I told you, lead paint chips aint the same as them frosted flakes! And the terrlit is yer brothers drinkin hole, not yuns!

Posted by: Boofers Mother | October 31, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Re: the original post

I can't believe at this point in Joe's second tenure there are still people, like AEE, that actually *want* Gibbs to stay on as GM.

The man has no vision, strategic- or long-term planning whatsoever. At best he's a mediocre judge of talent.

In other words, he's a terrible GM.

aye carumba!

Posted by: Clinton Hill | October 31, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Josh, while everyone loves to hate on Vinny, I really think he is inconsequential. According to Gibbs, they have about 13 scouts going all over the country - not Vinny. That sounds to me like Vinny has no decisionmaking responsibities. Think he is just Danny's boy so they have to give him a title.

Posted by: Lisa | October 31, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this post is a bit late but can we ask our future guest bloggers do some spell check and syntax corrections?

We deserve better than a semi-literate ramblings.

Posted by: Thor | October 31, 2007 10:51 AM

Thor, It's not that you're anal. That's an adjective. You're the noun - anus. If you're going after people on spelling, grammar, you at least ought to apply the same standards to yourself. "do" should be preceded by "to" and "a" doesn't work with "ramblings."

And as for "we deseerve" that is a laugh. What have "we" done to "deserve"?

It's a blog, not a doctoral dissertation. Misspellings and bad grammar -- including your own -- are part of it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 31, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Was that just the pot calling the kettle black or what?

F off TE

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Nah, anon, it was the teakettle calling the whisk a boring pedant.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 31, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It's diaper time!!!!!!

Posted by: Always Sunny | October 31, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I really think they should promote Williams to head coach. That way you can keep the same D and leave it up to Williams to decide whether Saunders comes back or not. Williams has been the most consistent coach the Skins have had since 2004 and he doesn't have that ridiculous loyalty factor that Gibbs does. Let Gibbs go back to Nascar, he WAS a great coach but I think things are just overwhelming him at this point. The draft should be interesting though, I think O lineman-1st Round, D line-2nd round, CB and WR in the later rounds.

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 31, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

AEE comments are right on and really could have been posted and would have been just as true after the Giant game debacle, or the Arizona near-debacle. The sound licking the Skins took from the Pats is more reflective of the superior talent and coaching demonstrated by New England for a number of years now. The inability of the Skins' coaching staff to conceive a game plan to give the team a chance against the Pats is telling. But, we have seen the same lack of ingenuity and inability to adjust to opponents on both sides of the ball against good and bad teams since Gibbs II began.

I don't know just what Cerroto brings to the team. Certainly, the team has been unable to put the big, over-the-middle wide-out on the field is its most glaring weakness. But, over all, the talent seems to be of rather high calibre at most positions. Rather, it seems to be game strategy and the most efficient use of that talent, that is the kernel of the problem.

Take Clinton Portis, for example. If you have ever met him, you can instantly understand how Gibbs can feel so confident in Portis' abilities and his 100% effort play after play. The O line problems not withstanding, Betts was very successful for Gibbs last year. Yet, this year, game after game, he rides the bench while Portis struggles. Why no change for so long? This is typical of Gibbs II. It looked like the comming of Al Saunders was an attempt to change all of that, to bring the offense into the same decade as the Pats or the Chiefs for that matter.

I don't know the answer to solving the Skins' offensive problems, but if they don't make significant changes in their offensive game planning and in-game adjustments, the season ended Sunday. The score was just the exclamation point exposing the weakness Gibb's offense has shown in buillding a very lucky 4 and 3 record.

Posted by: jimbob128 | October 31, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Why do I find TEs ramblings the most entertaining?

Posted by: 5-11 | October 31, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey there! Jason Reid has NOT quit. Or been fired. Or disapparated. His wife and baby son have been in LA, because of the soft housing market. He went out there when the fires started and will return to our area, with his family, this week. He'll be back at Redskins Park Friday.

Posted by: Cindy | October 31, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh goody cause I really miss him. Thanks Cindy!

Posted by: Chris Cooley's Fiance | October 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I think he got fired Cindy

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

He'll be back at Redskins Park Friday.

Any chance he'll deck Larry Michaels this time around?

I was just speaking with someone whose initials are FH and he was hoping your boy would apply the beatdown. I hear Vegas is taking odds.

Anyways, never trust a man with two first names.

Posted by: Megskin | October 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to thank you all for your inquiries the other day about my friend whose breast cancer has recurred after 12 years. Although it is in her spine and liver, she is doing well. She takes a daily pill and gets a monthly treatment of something that will help her bones. (I think this is similar to Elizabeth Edwards' diagnosis/treatment.) We're all impatient for these drugs to kick in, but it's only been five weeks. I am greatly touched by your concern. You guys rule.
And now back to fubball....

Posted by: Cindy | October 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

There will be no beatdowns or grappling. Journalism isn't Greco-Roman wrestling (if only....).

Posted by: Cindy | October 31, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Journalism isn't Greco-Roman wrestling (if only....)..

Bleh! Sorta takes all the fun out of then, doesn't it?

Any-anyways, good to hear about your friend.

Posted by: Megskin | October 31, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Wundar if i cann poost wit rest ouff u

Posted by: jm22os fartar | October 31, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Here Boofer Boofer Boofer. Here boy.

Posted by: Man in a White Jumpsuit | October 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: tawent evaalweater | October 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Cyn Cyty,

Is that "Mypost" where we reserve our Nicknames?

Posted by: Skinz | October 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

jm22o is boofer

Posted by: Anonymous | October 31, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Cindy, while you're here can you say what's up with the registration bidness?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 31, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update about your friend Cyn Cyty. I hope everything works out for her.

Posted by: jm220 | October 31, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Hello? Is this thing working?

Posted by: tafka | October 31, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Testing, Testing!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | October 31, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Alas, registration has claimed my moniker. I refuse to be etrod1. Demeaning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this team is not just the FO, but it is Coach Gibbs....(I say this with a tear in my eye)

1) He stuck with Brunell too long.
2) He mismanaged Clinton' Portis' pre-season and he is nowhere near a shadow of his former self.
3) Anytime you announce to the media every week that "we expect a close game" it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy.
4) He meddles with the playcalling. Stevie Wonder can see that Al Saunders calls the plays between the 20's and Gibbs meddles in the red zone.
5) The Offense should have been torn a new one after the Packers game...you can't drop those many balls, but what does Gibbs do?...he praises them about how much fight they have.

It hurts me as a die hard fan to say this...but Gibbs must go...

Posted by: rickyroge | October 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

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