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Guest Blog - Erin

I have been in a vortex for much of the week and the last two days in particular, but Erin wanted to pass on her thoughts about what has been going on the last few days back in Redskins Nation.

Here's what Erin had to say about the aftermath of Sunday's game and the past week.

I have seen something very disturbing unfolding over the past 24 hours since the loss to the Bills.

Redskins fans are bashing Coach Gibbs, the players, and the establishment. While yesterday was an atrocious loss, this is not the time nor place for requesting that people are fired, suggesting that the Skins didn't play with heart, that they didn't honor Sean, etc. The players gave all they had to give, but frankly, there wasn't a lot left to give after this past week. The coaches wanted to lead us to a valiant victory, but clear minds were not present, and mistakes were made.

I have been cursed out, called stupid, and many more disturbing things when I have appealed to fans to show their compassion and support the Skins during this time rather than focus on the loss from yesterday. Fans really listen to you so if you could appeal to them, maybe you can ask them to take it easy on the Skins. Their hearts are heavy, their minds are clouded, they are human too. They deserve a pass...

This is the time to honor Sean. Sean as a football player would have wanted his team and coaches to go out and leave it all on the field. I believe they did, but unfortunately, in their state of mind, it just wasn't enough to win yesterday's game.

Sean as a person would have wanted us to show compassion for human beings going through one of the most trying times of their lives.

Redskins fans need to honor his legacy.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 4, 2007; 8:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

Good thought Erin.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 4, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Nicely put. There's certainly no honour in recrimination.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 4, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Great post Erin. No question their hearts were heavy and their minds are clouded. Sometimes we forget that they are human as well.

Posted by: jm220 | December 4, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I agree. Although there is much to question, it made me sick to my stomach that some fans talked about "how we can't even win for Sean." Although many of us felt a personal connection with Taylor as fans, it is complete BS that some fans would insinuate that the team didn't put everything into that game. These guys knew Sean better than anyone of us ever will.

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I personally can give a damn how the Redskins finish their season. They could go 5-11 the rest of the way and I could care less. To me, the season was lost on November 27 @ 5:30 AM.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 4, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

NICE COMMENT. I WILL MISS SEAN VERY MUCH BUT YOU CAN'T LET THIS BRING DOWN A FRANCHISE. THIS SEASON IS TOAST AND WE HAVE ALOT OF GLARING HOLES TO FILL; NOT JUST SAFETY. GIBBS IS A GREAT PLAYERS COACH BUT IT JUST ISN'T WORKING AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY THAT I WOULD SAY THAT JOE GIBBS SHOULD GO. LIKE THE 80'S HE IS VERY LOYAL TO HIS PLAYERS AND KEEP THEM AROUND LONGER THAN HE SHOULD. HERE ARE THE LIST OF PLAYERS WHO I BELIEVE WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR:

CORN GRIFFIN
MARK BRUNELL
SHAWN SPRINGS
PHILIP DANIELS
ROCK CARTWRIGHT
RECHE CALDWELL
KEENAN McCARDELL
JASON FABINI
TODD WADE
SANTANA MOSS...YES MOSS IN A TRADE

HERE IS THE GLARING NEED: WR,CB,SS,OT,OG,DT,DE.
THERE ARE ALOT OF HOLES TO FILL BEACUSE WE HAVE KEPT CHARACTER GUYS INSTEAD OF YOUNG EVOLVING PLAYERS. i HOPE THEY ADDRESS THESE NEEDS VIA THE DRAFT AND NOT SO MUCH IN FREE AGENCY. TWO PLAYERS WHO MIGHT BE AVAILABLE IN A TRADE WOULD BE DeANGELO HALL AND YES....CHAD JOHNSON.

LETS LOOK TO NEXT YEAR FOLKS AND TRY AND PUT THIS TRAGEDY BEHIND US.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree RedDMV, i could care less about our record from here on out.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 4, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Amen, Erin!! In fact, I yelled at a guy at the game on Sunday who was bashing the team. My co-worker was with me (she's not into football) and was shocked that I reacted that way.

jjwilson312003, are you nuts? Rock Cartwright? Why in the world would be cut Rock Cartwright? He has been a lone bright spot this season. Santana isn't going anywhere either. Unbelievable!

Posted by: Lisa | December 4, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

okay so we lost. Yes it was a much needed win, not only for the season but to lift the spirits of our team. That was a very emotional game, for all. I can't imagine having to go out there and kick some AS* with all that hurt on my heart and mind. Had this tragedy not happened we would've won. Joe Gibbs is a wonderful coach who over the past week, had to not only be a coach, but a shoulder to cry on, a source of hope and prayer, and more. Everyone needs to leave him alone.
THAT'S MY 2 CENTS

Posted by: jessie31202 | December 4, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Let me preface my comments by saying, I do not think Snyder should Fire Gibbs. Whether Joe returns next season or not that has to be his decision only. Only Joe himself knows whether he still has the fire to continue. Some of us may question whether he does or does not, but ultimately its a question between him and the Front Office.

That now having been said, I disagree that the Redskins should get a pass on the bad decisions simply because of Sean's death. If this was the first time this year where we had an issue with Time Management, if this was the first really odd event to happen in a game then yeah I'd agree, but what has happened in the Games against Miami, Giants, Packers, etc. a Pattern is emerging of bad decision making. I feel for the team I do, and I hurt just as much inside as the team does, but at some point a person's record has to be called to account. Now again I am not saying Gibbs should be fired over this, and I disagree with those that say he should go right now. Joe needs to finish out this season one way or another, but In all respect to the fans of this team, we deserve an answer for some of the mental mistakes that should not be happening even when the team's mind is not shaken by the Loss of such an important friend.

Posted by: Veretax | December 4, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh P.S The way I see it a true Redskin fan will support and deffend our team WIN OR LOSE, especially at a time like this, not talk about who should be fired.

Posted by: jessie31202 | December 4, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Just a couple of things I would like to say about this last blog.

Yes the team and coaching staff deserve a bit of a break after the week that they had and the emotional drain of it all.

That being said other things need to be addressed and thats what fans are doing. This has been a Redskins season full of poor clock managment, poor play calling, horrible offensive and defensive schemes, and the inability to hold on to the football for any length of time. Turnovers and missed assigments have killed this team all year and will continue for the rest of the year.

So yes, this week was emotional and exhausting but the game was nothing different than the Redskins have been doing all year. There is a reason we have lost 4 games in a row. There is a reason that people are calling for Joe gibbs to be fired. Only one of those losses came after Taylor's death.

The point that I am trying to make is that this is just not a good football team right now. The coaches have no emotion which translates to the players. Gone are the days of Joe Gibbs getting into the face of a player when he drops a ball or puts it on the ground. Gone are the days of yelling or throwing things in the locker room. Gone are the days of the "halftime adjustment". The team and its head coach are different than they were in the 80's and 90's.

Sunday's game was a parrallel of the entire season for the Washington Redskins. Halftime lead against the Giants only to clam up in the second half and lose. Halftime lead against the Cardinals only to clam up in the second half and nearly lose. It is bad when you have to pray for a team to miss a field goal to win a game that you dominate.

I am done my rambling now, but I just wanted to get these points out. The experiment is over. Time to part ways and hire someone who has the fire in his belly. Not that Joe Gibbs doesn't deserve all the chances that he has gotten. Go out and hire Coach Bill Cowher and pay him whatever he wants!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

One of the hardest things for anyone to do is to switch off their critical faculties. History teaches us not to do this as terrible things often happen when this is done. I humbly suggest hoiwever that to do this in the sporting aspect of your life carries no greater danger than occasional disappointment.

I suggest that it's now time for supporters of the Redskins to send their "inner critic" on vacation for the rest of this season. Set aside the whole "coach 'x' or player 'y' must go" stuff for a few weeks and get behind your team. They are in a bad place right now and they need the emotional lift that a fully engaged fan-base can provide.

Do it fo them, do it to honour Sean.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 4, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Amen, Erin. The fans need to be supportive of the team in their time of need. Nobody feels worse about the loss than Coach Joe and the guys who actually played in the game. We do have some organizational issues that need to be addressed in the offseason, but now is certainly not the time for that.

Posted by: vmczar | December 4, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I suggest that it's now time for supporters of the Redskins to send their "inner critic" on vacation for the rest of this season. Set aside the whole "coach 'x' or player 'y' must go" stuff for a few weeks and get behind your team. They are in a bad place right now and they need the emotional lift that a fully engaged fan-base can provide.

Do it fo them, do it to honour Sean.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 4, 2007 09:11 AM

THANK YOU.
That is my point. OUR TEAM needs us to cheer them on now more than ever. They needs us to say "hey so you lost, and that sucks but we still love you, you are still OUR team."

Posted by: jessie31202 | December 4, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Its a nice sentiment, but honestly Erin...I don't think fans are really saying that the skins didn't give it their all in an effort to win. On the other hand, fans are very upset with coach gibbs. While I sympathize with your theory that Gibbs' head wasn't clear, I'd be even more convinced if his second tenure hadn't been consistently marred by coaching errors (clock management, poor challenges, terrible use of Time outs, playing to barely win/lose- subjective i know). I think everyone would be more than happy to give Gibbs a pass, especially this week, but his long string of gaffs warrant criticism. I think it speaks volumes that even during this time, fans who WANT nothing more than to see the Redskins (Gibbs) succeed, especially in the wake of our best player's death, were driven to "BOO" the franchises most storied leader.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | December 4, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

HEY LISA, ROCK CARTWRIGHT IS A FREE AGENT AFTER THE SEASON...THAT IS NOT CUTTING HIM.SANTANA IS GOOD TRADE BAIT.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

We all need to remember this is only a football game. It is great we have such loyal fans and I will be there on Thursday but I have no expectations. The difference in the NFL between a good team and a bad team is the number of mistakes made in the game. It is not one person or one coach, it is the team. You win together and you lose together. Can we ger better? Do we have the talent? There is no question in my mind that we can win but everyone has to do their job.....as a team.
Sean would have played hard no matter what and I hope our team plays hard for the rest of the season. If we lose all the remaining games but gave an effort then my hat is off to the team. If we use the excuse that a coach did not do this or a teammate missed a block then we are just making excuses and the character of this team shows its real colors. We have to want to win.

Posted by: rmoore | December 4, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The major flaw in the above analysis is the fact that these 'clouded, tired' minds just didn't show up Sunday past.

They have been around for 4 years.

If you like what you got, then go ahead and sign up for another year.

Posted by: gdennie | December 4, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I hate this "true fan" debate...I will put forth the same Redskin Fan Test that I did on the warpath...

1. If the redskins win the superbowl, would you be happy?

a) Yes
b) No

If you answer A to question 1, you are a fan.
If you answer B to question 2, you are not a fan.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | December 4, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

JJwilson,
I agree with some of what you are putting down, here are my thoughts...
I'd like to see the following people gone or resigned at vet. mins (as a max)

CORN GRIFFIN (vet min)
SHAWN SPRINGS (vet min)
PHILIP DANIELS (vet min)
RECHE CALDWELL (vet min)
KEENAN McCARDELL (vet min)
TODD WADE (vet min)
Mark Brunell
Rock Cart- keep this man..he's consistent.
Front needs to go
Fabini needs to go

SANTANA MOSS: I agree that moss might be shopped, he's injury prone, and frankly, so far, a 1 hit wonder (2005). Not so sure how that will go over with the fan base though.

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | December 4, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Thank you gdennie. That is what I was trying to say. This did not just happened because Shawn Taylor passed away. It been like this for years. Especially this year!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning jjwilson,

We are all frustrated, all hurting, all so desperately wanting a winner.

You have put some good thought into it, but tell you what, after what this team has gone through w/ injuries and now a murder of their very best player, I really don't think it is the time or place...

Wait a few more weeks, then we will join you.

As for now, are we behind this team, this organization or aren't we?
Are we real die-hard fans or not?
By the way, that has nothing to do w/ being a kool-aide drinker.
But it does necessitate guts and commitment in tough times like these.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 4, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

FYI- I mean to write, if you answer B to question 1, you are not a fan, not question 2

Posted by: HonestSkinsFan | December 4, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree that we can't fault the team for their performance on Sunday considering simply performing in and of itself was admirable. Also, I too agree that football is nothing but a game and life far outweighs anything else. Sean Taylor's passing is an enormous tragedy and playing football (and winning) in his honor cannot and will not bring him back, but will only serve to ease some pain and suffering.

However, I also think the absolute worst thing this team can do at this point is crawl into its shell and use one tragic event as an excuse. I myself like many others have had to deal with tragedy personally. Many people deal with it in many different ways. I firmly believe that dwelling on the "why" and hesitating to "move on" is the absolute worst way to deal with tragedy. Lets not taket this deeply tragic event and utilize it as an excuse as to why we aren't moving forward, but instead hold this event close to our hearts as a reminder as to the lessons that can be learned and taught by digging deep and giving your best effort at every chance you have regardless of the circumstances. This is what our players did on Sunday when they took the field after losing their brother. This is what #21 did every time he took the field. The players are not making excuses for why they came up short so PLEASE I BEG YOU AS FANS TO STOP ATTEMPTING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR THE PLAYERS. They are grown men. They understand their own short comings.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Great comment Soup17! We remember and we move on.

Posted by: rmoore | December 4, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

HonestSkinsFan,

We can't cut Springs and resign him for the veteran minimum as we would take a huge cap hit for his current contract as had been said during last summer. If we want him around we need to keep him under the current contract for another year. I can't remember the exact numbers but I think it would be substantial.

Posted by: straub21 | December 4, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

We all need to remember this is only a football game.

That is so true. All I ask is they come out and play hard. Don't really care if they win or lose at this point.

Posted by: jm220 | December 4, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

jjwilson, help me out here. You want to get rid of Caldwell/Mccardell and trade Moss, but then you also list WR as a 'need' position for the draft? Why would we trade Moss, and what would be the MOST we could POSSIBLY hope to get for him?? 4th, or 5th round pick? Why wouldn't we bring both Caldwell and Mccardell back as our 4th and 5th wideouts??

If your scenario plays out, here is how our WR core would look next year

ARE/Thrash.

Lloyd is not coming back. You want to trade Moss, and you don't want Mccardell/Caldwell back. Not sure I see any logical thought in this??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Four items:

1. Well said, Erin. Now is the time to cut these guys a break.

2. jjwilson is on my DO NOT READ list. Boofer is also on that list. I suspect they may be the same person.

3. Your mind can only take so much before your body breaks down. The mental and emotional anguish will probably lead to physical ailments. Expect players to get the flu, pulled muscles, dehydration, etc. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

4. What happened to AMTTS?

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 4, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Also, great job Erin. It's tough to evaluate this loss given the circumstances. It was already obvious some changes were needed prior to losing Sean, now we have to figure out how to do that. There is still a slim chance for the playoffs but this team will have to play its most inspired, best football of the season and given the mistakes we have been making in the last four games, I am not sure if that will happen. However, I do believe if any team in the NFL can do it at this point in the season, excluding the Pats who seemed to squeeze one out last night, this team can do it. We have not had consistency and have not seized the opportunities to build momentum the entire season.

We have a young quarterback who is still learning and making mistakes. This is his first full season as a starting quarterback. This season could be in a total different position if we were able to execute a handful of plays differently. We have been in every game until the end except for the Pats. However we have not been to pull it out. These losses hurt more considering we have led at halftime of every one, except for Pats. You go through these types of seasons when you have young quarterbacks. Remember Eli and the Giants. Peyton even had his struggles in his first few years.

I am not saying that Jason is entirely to blame for our record and where we stand entering the fourth quarter of our season. And maybe some of you think my comments are coming from a vaccuum mentality, so be it. Financially, mentally, and spiritually, this team has invested its future in Jason Campbell. I believe we have a great future in front of us with Jason leading the rally. He has what it takes to be a great NFL quarterback. We need to take these four games left and salvage whatever we can and determine who we have on our team that is going to be a valuable part of the future. Instead of looking at who needs to go, let's look at who is performing well and work from there. Let's focus who should be here to help build the future.

Posted by: straub21 | December 4, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

K GREG MARINO, ITS EASY TO FIGURE OUT. MOSS IS INJURY PRONE LIKE HIS DAYS WITH THE JETS. HE HAD IS ONE GOOD YEAR(2005) AND THATS IT. AS YOU HAVE NOTICED THIS YEAR CAMPBELL HAS THROWN HIGH TO HIM AND WHEN HE DOES CATCH IT HE HAS TROUBLE HOLDING ON TO THE BALL. WE HAVEN'T HAD A WR WITH EIGHT AND POSSEIVE SKILLS SINCE GARDNER; THATS WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. PLUS HAVE YOU SEEN MOSS'S CAP NUMBER ...OUCH! OK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM KEEP MCCARDELL BUT HE IS 37 YEARS OLD. MOSS COULD BE PART OF PLAYER PLUS 4TH RD TRADE. HONESTLY I WOULD TAKE CHAD JOHNSON OVER MOSS ANY DAY...THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE. SO WHAT IF CHAD DOES HIS DUMB TD CELEBRATIONS MAYBE THIS TEAM COULD USE SOME FUN AFTER WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
THERE IS A DEEP WR CLASS IN THE DRAFT AND GUYS LIKE BERNARD BERRIAN IN FREE AGENCY. SO WHY NOT SHAKE IT UP . MOSS IS DONE.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

HEY JOE IN RALEIGH ...READ THIS....UR AN IDIOT AND NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU. SHOULDN'T YOU BE CHEERING FOR THE PANTHERS...GOOF!

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
Any word from the team/Grilliams on the play of Reed Doughty? He looked "okay" to me, and he definitley tries to bring the wood, but I don't know enough to tell if he's blowing assignments or performing admirably......do we know if he is playing well enough to be considered a starter for next year, or do they need to bring someone else in to fill the void? I thought he played okay......anyone have thoughts?

Posted by: dlhaze | December 4, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

My name is campb2cd and I am a redskins fan, cant quit it, ive tried. I drink the kool aide in buckets. Am I the only one that still thinks we have a legitimate shot at the playoffs? I always like to believe that we have a chance. It makes every game that much better. They still have 4 games to play for their lost teamate. The way the NFC is shaping up we are only behind a few teams, and we play two of them. Somebody please agree with me so I can feel better about my addiction.

Posted by: campb2cd | December 4, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is this. How many Super Bowl trophies do we have because of Joe Gibbs?? And how many do we have without him? So Joe Gibbs screwed up and blew one game. How many games have our players blown this year? We can have the best and highest paid coaching staff in the league. We can have Vince Lombardi for all it matters and it's still not going to matter without execution on the football field for 60 minutes. I can't think of one game aside from maybe Detroit that we played as best as we could this year for 60 minutes.

That's for the people who wanna talk about actual football.

As for the situation we're in right now I couldn't agree with Erin more. That's why I didn't go to Fed Ex this past Sunday because I was worried what happened would. The players are drained, they couldn't pull it off, and now instead of trying to let this tragedy bring us all together instead people are gonna go and act like pricks and start talking trash about their own team and Coach in this extreemely difficult time for not just the fans, but the players, the coaching staff and everybody within the Redskins organization. That's a bunch of crap! Complete crap. Redskin fans are supposed to be better than that.

Stick by your team, your players, your coach through this tough time. If you wanna say something about player personal moves or coaching changes or whatever talk about it on December 31st or hopefully God willing in January sometime. The entire team and organization needs the support of all it's fans right now. 100% support. Period.

Posted by: SMoss892006 | December 4, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Joe, I think AMMTS tuned out in a fit of pique at Jasno about a thread a while back (maybe the one after the Patriots game and the point run up).

I'm not ready to play amateur GM unless and until the Skins lose another one (as unfathomable as that may seem). A wild card spot is still as statistical possibility ... and if there is one thing this blog has demonstrated, its that 87.95005% of statistics are persuasive, esp. if the statistics are very precise.

[That said: there was a thought that Old School had the other day that I will want to come back to ... which as I remember it was something like how the Skins need to get younger/fresher at RB and taller at WR. I'm also working on my wish list for free agency, which currently on has two defensive players.]

TIME TO STOP HESTER! [Or at least avoid kicking or punting to a place where he can get his hands on it.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 4, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Something to think about: a few weeks ago the Colts lost Dwight Freeny for the season, and the press went crazy "Oh, how will the Colt's go on without this key player?" was kind of the tone.

OK, how about the Skins losing the right side of their oline, their starting corner, the best player on the team is murdered, and, at various times, their center, their #1 receiver, their #2 receiver, their fullback, Springs last week, etc. But Gibbs gets no break. I know "every team is banged up this time of year". Yeah, but not out for the season!

Careful what you ask for folks, if Gibbs leaves, then what? If he had all, or even most, of his starters on the field this season it is a completely different scenario.

Posted by: mmiovino | December 4, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

campb2cd, I'm with you brother! 4-0 so we can go! then onward till we crush the Pats in a grudge match in Arizona!

Posted by: dcsween | December 4, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, I remember that rant. It was a good one. I hope that doesn't mean he quit us altogether. Sometimes everyone needs a break from this.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 4, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

jjwilson, you do realize that when you TRADE a player, the remainder of that cap hit, IMMEDIATELY hits on the Redskins cap. So essentially you're gaining NOTHING by trading him, and putting the team further behind the 8 ball cap wise. Ok? Clear on that one?

I'm not continueing this discussion because, none of what you're saying is logical in any way.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

SMoss....I am glad that you can live in the past and be so very happy about our three superbowls 20 years ago and longer. Personally I expect more from a team that spends the kind of money on players that we do and pays the kind of money for coaches that we do. So Joe Gibbs won superbowls back in the 80's and 90's. That doesn't mean that his coaching style translates to the game today and doesn't mean that he can be successful today. I think the last couple of seasons have been a testament to that point. Time to move on and try a new angle before we become the New York Yankees of football. Pay a lot and never win!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone given thought that perhaps Gibbs made his decision, at least the time out decision, at the end of the game to give the public and the team someone as a fall guy - that way everyone could be mad at him and give the team a rest on the criticism front? Remember, just because he is the coach doesn't mean that his heart is aching because of the loss of a talented young man. True fans would realize that the Redskins are human!

Posted by: stupid2007 | December 4, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I am so tired of hearing that Gibbs called the timeout on purpose to take the loss off of the team. He didn't know the rule and it cost them a chance to win the game. Plain and simple. The team is just not good right now and that is it. Too many turnovers and too may big plays against the defense at the wrong times. Again this was not just on Sunday. It has been going on for 2 YEARS!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
The beginning of the football season, training camp, I was not a very big supporter of yours. In fact, I sent you two emails that let you know, I thought you could offer so much more.
In the past week, you have kept us/me, informed with grace and integrity, like no other. Since day one of the shooting you have informed us/me of everything that was going on, you have provided us with a place to grieve and what you wrote today was just plain amazing.
I can't thank you enough, for allowing me a place to visit, read, and share my thoughts over this past week. I honestly can't explain why, I felt as sad as I did, even felt funny about shedding a tear at first. But the stories where you can see, hear and feel a man begin to turn his life around was real and so were my emotions. Your blog was a place where I could share and read others thoughts and it began the heal process. You gave us all a place to share that. You indeed could do more and you did.
I appreciate your time and effort over the past week, words can't express the gratitude, but I hope this at least is a start.

Best wishes and God bless,
Chris Woody (posting name on here is Hail to 'em)

Posted by: chris.woody | December 4, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Stupid2007,

No he made the timeout decision because he didn't know the rules! Thats the bottom line. Don't know if that cost us the game though. Now that I look back on it, how do you let a 40 yd pass completion take place in a situation like that? That should answer the Reed Doughtry question, he blew an assignment! Not bashing the Skins though, I feel for them during this horrible time, and I beleive they will bounce back!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

jjwilson312003, speak for YOURSELF! I would much rather hear from Joe in Raleigh than someone like you who comes on here with a cut/trade list the day after our beloved Reaper's funeral! Now is not the time or place.

Posted by: Lisa | December 4, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The FS from Oklahoma Nic Harris has turned out be very good. He's 6'3" and 230lbs. And considered a ball hawk. Check him out hes not getting much attention but may be a sleeper type pick if not a first rounder.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

HEY GREG, THEN WHY DID YOU ASK ME TO EXPLAIN...U DICK! TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN KEEP MOSS!

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

MOVE ON LISA, ITS OVER! SAD TO HIM GO BUT AS FAN YOU MOVE ON TO THE FUTRUE.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

That one call didn't cost us the game - never said that it did. But, it did take the focus of the lack of performance off the team for a few minutes - it seems that our team tends to fall apart in the last quarter or mid third quarter. Unless we are in the coach's head, we truly don't know what his mindset is - so assuming he really didn't know what the rule was is absurd.

Posted by: stupid2007 | December 4, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

THANKS DAVE, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO IS MOVING ON AND LOOKING TO THE FUTURE TO BULID A WINNING TEAM. I LOOKED UP NIC HARRIS, THE DUDE IS HUGE AND MAY BE WORTH A 3RD ROUNDER

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

ok just saw Nic harris is up for the Lott award which is best DB in the country. So i guess he is getting noticed.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I'll always remember Sean and he is irreplaceable but he would want us to move on to. We cant mope around we have to keep moving forward! but never forget #21

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I TOTALLY AGREE DAVE, THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING. THIS TEAM HAS TO MOVE ON, IF YOU KEEP FOCUSING ON THE PAST... THIS TEAM WILL COLLAPSE

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

JJ Wilson...

You are the epitome of the problem that I felt so compelled to write to Jason about. Can you please put your agenda on the back burner for one week out of respect for Sean and the team? Do you even know anything about respect? It's been a day since the funeral, its NOT time to move on yet. It's time to reflect.

Class, my friend, is something you are seriously lacking. Funny how you turn to profanity when you have been backed into a corner. Very mature.

To all those with supportive comments, thank you. You are good people with kind hearts and the Skins need you now.

For those who are just downright mean-spirited, I heard the Cowboys are looking for some fans...you don't belong to the true Redskins nation!

Long live the burgundy and gold!

-Erin

Posted by: airzmarz | December 4, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

jjwilson, dude, grow up, and learn how to interpret the most simple things:

Last year we signed Wade to a 2 year deal. Why would we cut him when his contract is short money, and we'd have to pay ANOTHER PLAYER to replace him, who is most likely not as experienced, or as good?

What you're suggesting makes little to no sense.

Post somewhat logical thoughts every now and again...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Stupid2007

Well since he admitted that it was his mistake is a clue that he either knew the rule and just wasn't thinking, or he didn't know the rule and he cost us the game! I know you never said that it cost us the game, but it is not absurd to think he didn't know the rule! He asked the ref if he could call another timeout, so its obvious he didn't know the rule! I just wish people would stop trying to give Gibbs a pass when he makes constant coaching mistakes! He was great back in the day, but today's game has past him by!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Thats how Sean taylor played, every time he made a mistake, he forgot about it and moved on, didnt let it get in the way of the next play and very few players were like that, thus making him as great as he was. But he learned from his mistakes also as we all saw this year this guy was everywhere and the skins must do the same.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Skins456 Don't get me started. Ok, I'll just discuss football for a second. I am NOT living in the past. I'm just as frustrated as everybody else is about EVERYTHING that has happened this year. We are not the New York Yankees of football. One of the many things Gibbs has tried hard to do was create stability within this organization ever since he got back. We have expierienced coaches who have been in the league while Gibbs was gone. Gregg Williams, Al Saunders etc. Problem is when we went and made the move to bring Saunders in we changed the entire philosophy of the offense and expected the offense to just pick everything up just like that 700 pages of plays or whatever and roll on into the Super Bowl. We that didn't happen last year. Brunell wasn't all at fault by any means. The offense struggled to learn the new system. We made the move to Jason and then had an entirely different quarterback with no expierience now learning and running the offense. That will continue to be a work in progress. He has shown great progress until the last couple games that is. He needs to quit making mistakes. But he is still learning and progressing. Have you heard anybody not say that they think Jason Campbell is going to be a GREAT quarterback in this league? I haven't. It takes time. The offense is on the right track. The problem obviously is not scoring touchdowns. And not being consistent for the entire game. And I haven't even mentioned the injuries to the offensive line, receivers etc that have played a major role in the problems on offense this year. Not to mention the complete mystery as to why Brandon Lloyd never saw the field for more than 3 or 4 times a game. On offense we obviously need to keep people healthy if possible, find a new left guard since we did screw up big time by letting Dockery go. and work to improve the depth on our offensive line. We gotta figure out what the deal is with our 3rd and 4th receivers. Either play Lloyd or cut him. And James thrash as great a player as he is he is just getting up there in age. I was shocked the game he had against Philly before his injury.

Defense despite everything is still ranked 10th in the league right now. So I mean I can get into the defense if you want but we all know what the deal is now there at FS. And it breaks our hearts. Aside from that we still have a young a very talented secondary with Landry, Rogers, and Smoot is still fairly young. Rocky is looking solid and Marcus is still early in his prime. D line looks solid and young with Montgomary, Golston, Carter, and a good back up and speedy outside rusher in Wilson I think his name is. So I mean I don't really know what your talking about. We don't need to make too many changes. It's just horrific what happened not just to our best defensive player but best player on the entire team as far as I'm concerned.

So there, you happy? Now do us all a favor and shut up and support your team.

Posted by: SMoss892006 | December 4, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I can't disagree with the fact that Joe has made some poor decisions this season, but I also can't whole heartedly believe that bringing in a new coach next season wouldn't immmediately cause another 3yr set back.

The players seem to like playing for Joe and its the players who determine a W or L on Sunday. So long as the players want Gibbs around I think the fans should support that decision.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We must look to the future, but there is no rush to forget Sean right now! The draft is a long time from now and the classy thing to do is honor Sean's memory for the rest of the season! I think thats the least we could do!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that anyone is dishonoring Sean Taylor's memory by criticizing the Head Coach. In fact, we may very well be HONORING his memory by focusing on the football.

I'll back my Skins all the way and I'll give out free passes for everything that happened Sunday EXCEPT for the 2nd timeout. Gibbs has consistently shown this year that he either has senior moments or he just doesn't manage games with less time on the play clock. He should be criticized for that.

Look, Taylor is gone. We'll all mourn him in our own ways. But that doesn't mean that the football is irrelevant. And the bottom line is, as Jason and others have documented, Gibbs has shown himself to be incapable of coaching this talented team to consistent success. His performance has to be evaluated at the proper moment and I, for one, hopes he walks away with his dignity intact.

Posted by: sheidt99 | December 4, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Soup17

I can agree with that, but Jason has posted news that Gibbs might be losing players in the locker after Sunday's game! All year I have been posting that Gibbs has made terrible coaching decisions, but I feel he is the only coach the players will go out and play hard for every Sunday! If he loses them, then its time to make a change!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

No way should we forget him in fact i get choked everytime just thinking about what we've lost. It just breaks my heart to see him not out there. I for one will never forget him. But at the same time we all would be naive to think that the skins arent already looking at getting another star player at FS, even though they would never admit it. Its just a tough situation all the way around.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg and Lisa...yes its tragic that Sean was shot but move on and both u blow me, how u like that.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Smoss...I like the 5 year old response...no you shut up!! Injuries do not cause Gibbs to not know a rule. Injuries do not cause Gibbs to throw the ball three times from the 2 yard line and not score. Injuries do not cause bad clock management. These are all things that have plagued this team since Gibbs came back to "right the ship". If you call a 5-11 season followed by a 6-10 or another 5-11 season righting the ship then sit there all fat and happy enjoying this wonderful "success". I personally want more from my team than what they have shown the last two years.

At no point did I critize anyone on the field for their effort or hard work. This boils down to a coach that doesn't know how to motivate players to win anymore. Tell me one way we are different from the Yankees. We pay high profile coaches and players and finish 5-11. Yankess pay $250 million a year and lose in the first round of the playoffs. I guess if you are looking for a difference it would be that they actually GET TO THE PLAYOFFS!! So I guess you are right. We are not the Yankees of football.

I support this team. I have season tickets and go to every game so don't talk to me about support. Talk to the over 1000 people on Craigs List and Ebay that are selling tickets for the game on Thursday vs the Bears but don't talk to me about supporting a team!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe that I am going to say this, but I agree with Soup17's point that a change of head coach does not necessarily mean a setback. Look at the Cowboys.

I do think that the Redskins are moving forward as an organization, but they deserve a little break from the negative rhetoric for ONE week considering the circumstances. The funny thing to me is the fact that we criticize the Redskins for whole-scale changes every offseason, but it is constantly brought up by fans when the team isn't doing well. WR's are not the problem (except Lloyd). Moss, ARE, and Caldwell are all NFL quality WR's. No reason to improve things in one area when there are other areas that need more help. Like I said before, though, that is for another time. We still have a chance at the playoffs. If they lose the next two games, then we can talk.

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah Smoss...Gregg Williams was a GREAT success at Buffalo as a head coach!! Can't wait to til he takes over for Gibbs!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Thats how Sean taylor played, every time he made a mistake, he forgot about it and moved on, didnt let it get in the way of the next play and very few players were like that, thus making him as great as he was. ..."

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:39 AM

dave#### (any relation to daveb55? we could all use a good insult and inquiry about where to get lunch), I'm with you on this point ... and my lesson as a fan. I'm not into dwelling on mistakes from the previous week (at least not DURING the season). And fortunately, as a loyal and prototypical fan/poster here, I have a very short attention span ... that includes an intense hunger for NEW news about the Skins.

Go Skins. Beat the Bears! Run over Lance Briggs! Rocky Mac is due for a big game. Try to take our #6 pick AND RockyMac. pfpft! THAT is disrespect. SPECIAL DELIVERY -- lumber arrives in the Bears' offensive back field at FedEx on Thursday night!

Posted by: dcsween | December 4, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I am not condoning the whole season - for those that are attacking what I said about the decisions that Mr. Gibbs made - GROW UP! If you lost someone in your family or a close friend, would you function two days after the brutality of it? It is sad that some of the "fans" are so brutal so quick - take a break and have some respect!!!!! Goodbye!

Posted by: stupid2007 | December 4, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like an inside joke but no relation to daveb55

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, lots of new posters on here as of late; good stuff! Bring on the Bears, we can take em. Grossmans gonna be looking out of his ear hole, and Devin Hester won't come anywhere near the ball. I hope. If we kick to him there will be trouble. Let's all pray for snow. I could use a good snow game. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze | December 4, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Skins456, ever hear of Bill Belichick? How was he as the coach of the Browns?

jjwil, mature, and intelligent all in one? Wow, you're a real find. Dude, grow up

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Yep heard of Bill Belichick. Gregg Williams=Bill Belichick come on?!!?

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS GREG MARINO, WHY DON'T YOU APPLY FOR THE GM JOB. WHY ARE YOU HEAR IF U HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS...DICK.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | December 4, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Now more than ever, ITA.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 4, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the blog.

Step back, breathe. We can discuss and argue, but name calling is moronic.

The post about how many integral parts we now have missing was right on point... and speaks to this teams biggest glaring hole, depth.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 4, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree with RedDMV above. This season was lost the morning Sean passed away. The players may not come out and say that, but inside you have to wonder if they are feeling the same thing. I could care less how the rest of this season turns out, as long as Sean is honored and remembered in the hearts of the Redskins organization and us as fans then that is all that needs to be done.

Now, everyone is calling for Gibbs' firing or resignation. But, let me post this question to everyone in Redskin nation. Think through all the NFL coaches, past and present and come up with one individual who has the strength and character to pull a team through a crisis like this? Joe might be a few steps behind the current NFL, but I can promise you that if the Redskins did not have Joe Gibbs during this tragedy, Sunday's game would have been a lot worse then it was. Win, lose or draw that was not the MO for Sunday's game vs. the Bills. The MO was simply to go out on the field and honor Sean Taylor to the best of their abilities after a trying week.

Lastly, yes, these players are professionals. They are paid millions of dollars to entertain us as fans for 16 plus weeks a year. But we all need to take a step back and remember they are human beings too. Yeah, they may take hits on the field and keep playing that would leave the average person seeking medical attention immediately, but that doesn't mean that these guys don't have a heart or feelings. They spent more time with Sean Taylor outside of his family then we as fans did. Yes, we grieve over the tragedy, but put yourself in their shoes. Imagine having to walk past Sean's encased locker everyday for practice or on gameday? Let us all remember that Sunday was the peak of the most emotional week this team has endured. It's not the fault of the coaches or the players that the team did not win. Remember, we lost a GAME...a GAME. Sean Taylor lost his life, Jackie and Jackie Garcia lost a father and fiancee, Pete Taylor lost a son and best friend. You cannot compare the value of life to the winning of a game....it doesn't make sense.

Posted by: mlewis31 | December 4, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Skins456, never said they were the same, but what I'm trying to say is that after Cleveland, Bill was 14 games under .500 as a head coach. There are some similarities, both cut their teeth as good defensive coordinators.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Skins456, I understand your frustration. But I have to play devils advocate and disagree with your assessment that Joe Gibbs cannot motivate his team to win. I hate to go NASCAR on you, because they are two different worlds. However, they are two worlds that Joe Gibbs has been highly successful in. Back in early July at Daytona, Tony Stewart wrecked Denny Hamlin and the two wanted to beat the tar out of each other. No one, Crew Chiefs, Car Chiefs, Pit Crew Guys, not even JD Gibbs could get the two to talk going into the next race at Chicago. So, what does Joe Gibbs do? He jumps on his plane and shows up unannounced at Chicagoland Speedway and pulls both Hamlin and Stewart out of practice and lays down the Joe Gibbs Racing Law to the two of them. The next day, guess what, Tony Stewart went out and won the race. Guess what Tony did the following week after a week off...he won the race.

Anyway, there may be some flaws within Joe's coaching schemes and motivational tactics, but if you ask me he is one of the best motivators the sports world has seen.

Posted by: mlewis31 | December 4, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Not to make waves but i think GW has been commendable with a top 10 D like 3 out of the 4 years or something. The inability to finish drives on offense is what makes are D more vulnerable than it really is. Just goes to show how much the D was built around ST. We need to find a solid replacement or change the D and i dont blame williams for the big plays that have been going on since ST left in the eagles game.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 4, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So, I guess it's another magical mulligan year for Joe Gibbs. Another pass. Another year of mediocrity (or worse). But now, we're not even allowed to point out that the emperor has no clothes at all, and doesn't known the rules.

OK, fine. See you next year. Don't expect anything to change with Corrado Soprano at the helm.

Posted by: TheManUpstairs | December 4, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice post...HOWEVER...you can't have it both ways...

If the team played amazing and inspired, then we would say..." They played for Sean !! How inspirational !! "

But if they play poorly, the we would say, "Well , It's just a game. They were drained "

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

MLewis31...I see your point there and to play devils advocate as well. NASCAR is an individual sport and footaball is a team sport. Unfortunately motivation can only do so much and then things like your coaching schemes and not knowing the rules affect wins and losses on the field

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So, I guess it's another magical mulligan year for Joe Gibbs. Another pass.

Posted by: TheManUpstairs | December 4, 2007 11:34 AM

Perfect thought.

YEAR 1 - Well, he's getting acclimated again....PASS

YEAR 2 - Well, he got the team going at the end, next year will be different...PASS

YEAR 3 - Well, he had some injuries to Portis and Washington, but next year we'll get Campbell some experience, and Betts will be part of a 2 headed RB monster backfield...PASS

YEAR 4 - Well, you can hold him responsible for the team after the death of Sean Taylor...PASS

YEAR 5 - ?????

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You can always have it both ways...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think there will be a Year 5. Joe looks so drained. I believe this year will be it for him.

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

You can always have it both ways...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:39 AM


Trying to explain that to my wife !!!! "honey let's have it THIS way AND THAT way !!!"

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Stand corrected...You can almost always have it both ways...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't think there will be a Year 5.


Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:41 AM


Don't you think he will say, " Well, i was brought here to do a job, and I can't abandon these guys

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Well, barring a miracle, it's fairly obvious this team won't make the playoffs. While I think Erin is right and I'll refrain from criticizing this team ad nauseum, you must admit that this team was in trouble even prior to Sean's death. The Tampa, Green Bay, and New York losses were egregious, the result of poor play and poor coaching all around.

I think once this season comes to a merciful close, there will be a lot of introspection at Redskins Park and some very tough decisions made about coaches and players, alike. The franchise is adrift (for the third time under "Mr." Snyder's tenure), and unless someone can point me to a bright spot on the horizon, I don't see that changing any time soon.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Diddy - we didn't trade away all of this year's draft picks and signed Cooley to an extension. True, not much good has come of a year which started with so much promise..

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Death is a part of life. Once you've reached a certain age, you've experienced the death of a family member or friend. And, if you're strong, you deal with it in your own way, and move on with your life, taking care of business. Unfortunately, the Redskins were unable to take care of business. They actually played the way they've played all season. But it's wrong to give them a pass because of Sean's death, they should be subject to just as much criticism as they were after any other loss (and as they'll be in their likely next four losses). Treat 'em like men.

And the people that think Gibbs screwed up at the end on purpose to take the blame off his players need serious serious help.

Posted by: mike8 | December 4, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

JlaC, did snyder buy you off now too or are you trying to create controversy with this lame guest post by Erin. The Skin's are a business, they get no pass. Does snyder give the fans a pass ever? No, keeps sticking it to us and provides pathetic football for however many years now.
Sean will not want us to give anyone a pass, he would want to kick ass and never stop fighting.
Except for Gibb's, I think he should announce his retirement on Friday and let Williams take over for the last 3 losses.

Posted by: bababooey | December 4, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

For each successive year of Gibbs v.2, there has been an important incremental change. [Offpoint, but it just occurred to me that Joe Gibbs' first draft choice in Gibbs v.2 was Sean Taylor.] First, the reason Joe seems drained after at the end of a game is that he is ... physiologically ... drained. That's part of the deal with diabetes. The guy ages about 10 years over the course of the game. Second, if there is one thing that Joe Gibbs can do without question, its internal introspection. The guy is still very capable at big picture.

I dunno how/whether he coaches another season. I'm guessing yes b/c a contract is a contract ... an agreement is an agreement. Though I concede that no coach enters a season without an option to renew, Joe Gibbs is not like any other coach. That said, I could see him focusing on his role as "Team President" and empowering one of his coordinators to make game-time head-coach time decision-making.

If there is one bit of consolation that I think would make many Skins fans feel a little bit better (esp. because the last bone thrown to the fans was the hiring of Gibbs himself), it would be to allow him to do more -- with more autonomy -- as Team President ... and can Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: dcsween | December 4, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick of all the biased reporting around here, Channel 4, George Michael, Sonny, Riggo are all owned by Snyder.

WHERE IS KEN BEATRICE, You're next

Posted by: bababooey | December 4, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Booey, it's the same in every city......all the local philly stations up here have the Eagles sneaking in and going to the bowl. "And this time, they'll have Mcnabb playing QB against the Patriots, so it's a sure win"........

Posted by: dlhaze | December 4, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

You forgot the biggest homer of them all, LARRY MICHAEL, on the DSTTRN (the Danny Snyder Teeny Tiny Radio Network). This guy is just horrible. If Dan Snyder walked to the 50-yard-line at Fed Ex, dropped trou, and took the biggest dump you ever saw, Larry Michael would announce that (a) it was the finest dump ever; and (b) it smelled like roses to him. Much as Sportstalk980 can drive you nuts, at least they don't kiss up to Snyder and Gibbs on a full-time basis like Snyders' employees (that's you, Bram and larry) do on the DSTTRN.

Posted by: TheManUpstairs | December 4, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

One thing is inescapable. Sean inspired more than just his Redskins teammates.

Players all over the league have been touched and inspired to live up to their true potential.

How many of us can say the same thing?

Hail.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Death is a part of life. Once you've reached a certain age, you've experienced the death of a family member or friend. And, if you're strong, you deal with it in your own way, and move on with your life, taking care of business. Unfortunately, the Redskins were unable to take care of business. They actually played the way they've played all season. But it's wrong to give them a pass because of Sean's death, they should be subject to just as much criticism as they were after any other loss (and as they'll be in their likely next four losses). Treat 'em like men.

And the people that think Gibbs screwed up at the end on purpose to take the blame off his players need serious serious help.

Posted by: mike8 | December 4, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the blog.

Step back, breathe. We can discuss and argue, but name calling is moronic.

The post about how many integral parts we now have missing was right on point... and speaks to this teams biggest glaring hole, depth.

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 4, 2007 11:13 AM


AMEN!

We play well when we are healthy and then begin to fall apart as the injuries mount up. This also speaks highly of the 4th QTR fall aparts. Without decent depth to have good rotation, players will wear out.

The smartest move this offseason would be to try and keep as many of the current players as possible, and then concentrate on using the draft to build depth and youth. Look at finding some real talent for the o-line to replace the likes of Jansen and Dockery. Find some fresh youth for the WR corp. A good solid DE would be nice (personally think the whole Washinton expirement has failed miserably). Most of the drafted players are not going to be ready to play for at least a year or two, so it's ridiculous to think you can fill the void of wholesaling the team through the draft

Posted by: karma31 | December 4, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs has, as best as I can tell, kept this team together. Which alone is a significant achievement. If that goes, then Joe goes. If the players feel like they won and the coach takes it away, then it'll be hard for Joe to keep this team.

But I've never seen a season so cruel to a team. Joe Gibbs is a terrific person and an icon. To see him flounder is very hard. The gaffe on Sunday is the latest in so many mistakes.

The list of tough days is pretty long. Sean Taylor tragedy, Shawn Springs with his father. Gibbs own grandchild with leukemia.

Major injuries to Jansen, Thomas, Rogers. I have to wonder if Rogers can come back since his injury takes 2 years to recover from. And CBs who lost a step are not effective. Lots of other injuries, but won't harp on them.

The last second losses have also been tough. I have to wonder if its not getting into players heads. Especially Jason Campbell. You want him to believe he can win games. Take victory from defeat. But so far, he hasn't led that comeback. Even though he had chances against Dallas and TB among others.

And others have had unexpected inglorious moments that defy explanation. Santana's meltdown vs GB for example.

Seems to me the Buffalo loss encompassed it all. Sean's death. Followed by a second half lead melting away. An offense that simply disappeared down the stretch. A late Campbell turnover. A desperate, last second Buffalo completion that was thrown right to where #21 used to roam. That irony just gnaws at me. And finally, Joe's gaffe.

The rest of the season is filled with tough games. Chicago and Minnesota are both on the playoff fringe and improved from their slow starts. The Giants in NY are always tough and Cowboys are the best team in the NFC.

I've followed this team since the days #9 was handing off to #42. And I've never seen anything even close to this rough. Holding it together, for whatever that means, is a very tall order.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder walked to the 50-yard-line at Fed Ex, dropped trou, and took the biggest dump you ever saw, Larry Michael would announce that (a) it was the finest dump ever; and (b) it smelled like roses to him

LMGO!

That said, as much as we enjoy hatin' on the Danster, it has to be said he has acted with complete class this week, IMHO.

Posted by: SonofNero | December 4, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Death is a part of life. Once you've reached a certain age, you've experienced the death of a family member or friend. And, if you're strong, you deal with it in your own way, and move on with your life, taking care of business. Unfortunately, the Redskins were unable to take care of business. They actually played the way they've played all season. But it's wrong to give them a pass because of Sean's death, they should be subject to just as much criticism as they were after any other loss (and as they'll be in their likely next four losses). Treat 'em like men.

Posted by: mike8 | December 4, 2007 11:48 AM

I whole-heartedly agree. They went out and played the same way they have all season. Give them a pass for what? They got a lead and lost it..bottom line. No doubt their hearts were heavy and it had been a tough week, but obviously what wasn't affected was their pattern of blowing games.
I've never seen a team as consistent as the Skins in doing this. Even with such a horrible tragedy, you can always count on the Skins to go out and blow a lead no matter what the circumstances.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure the point about this being a business so, therefore, it is open season on the team. There are few people that are insinuating that people on this blog are ignoring the team's shortcomings. These issues have been discussed over the past several weeks and will continue if they continue to play bad football. First and foremost, these are people. Yes it is a business, but they all just lost a friend. All that most people are asking for is a little bit of consideration (just for a week). Most companies have leave that can be taken if someone close to them dies. At the very minimum, they don't have people calling them pieces of s**t if they don't perform the following week. True, this performance was somewhat a microcosm of the season, but some consideration also is warranted. Does it hurt THAT much to do so for just ONE week?

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This season was over when Sean got hurt. It cannot be revived now that he's not coming back. We would possible have been 9-7 or 8-8 with him. At this point, we need to start looking at building for next year. We need to pull out all of the stops on offense so we can hit the ground running in '08. It's time to get Blades a few snaps at MLB and see if he can start to learn the ropes on defense. Start Heyer at RT and explore trading Jansen next year. Whether we want to admit it or not, we are rebuilding. We're not close to winning anything and shouldnt pretend that we are.
Forgive me for belaboring this point but I'm still incensed about the way Wilbon nd Shapiro questioned Sean's character on the day that he died. The inference that he was responsible because of his lifestyle was appalling. It also turned out to be 100% incorrect yet I have yet to see a retraction, apology or anything coming from either. What's up, guys? I know you've heard the criticisms.

Posted by: freedom0125 | December 4, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I'm a little late, I browsed through alot of the posts and alot of arguing going on here. That really shouldn't be any surprise, someone said it awhil ago right when the news of Sean's death came out...people deal with this in different ways. It doesn't make one way right and one wrong, some people want to move on and not think about it, others want to make sure they live out every moment they can to remember Sean. They're both right!
I also saw we were talking about head coaches, and Joe is just a man, someone who played with a heavy heart Sunday. He does have a responsibility to be the rock for the team and not show the emotion, if your leader isn't able to function noone else will either. Just like if you cut off the head the body isn't doing much, but with that said I really think that Joe will be a standup guy. He will definitely finish the year out, I really think that after this year he will take over President/GM position and pull up Gregg Williams. I really think besides his arrogance, Williams is a good coach, maybe Sean's death will help him to become a better coach and person in general. I dunno, just giving my two cents.

Posted by: tweedr01 | December 4, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

freedom, read wilbons chat from yesterday. He speaks about it at length and answer that exact question

Posted by: Zebraskins | December 4, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't disagree with Erin and the other comments more. These guys, in addition to being human beings, are also highly paid professionals who are expected to perform one day/week for 16 weeks. That's it. Obviously there's a ton of work and preparation that take place on other days, but for that one day, 3 1/2 hours, you are expected to put everything that's difficult and upsetting in your life out of your mind and focus on the game of football.

The same thing goes for most other professions, especially for those who work in customer service. The waitress whose father just died is still expected to give prompt and excellent service. When my father died I still had to finish term papers for grad school. Life goes on. It sucks, it's hard, but you deal with it.

One of the things that I find most distressing about the Skins under Gibbs (and it was the same under Turner as well) is how often they find excuses to justify losing. And it's not that the excuses aren't real, the problem is that this team has, over the years, lacked a confidence and swagger that allows team's that face adversity such as injuries to key players to rise above it and continue to perform at a high level.

As another blogger commented the other day, it was incredibly telling when, before the Patriots game, Gibbs said that the Skins would be one of the biggest underdogs in history. What kind of attitude is that? Compare that with the Ravens last night who, despite having a 4-7 record said to themselves, "hey we don't care how damn good the Pats are supposed to be, we're going to give our all and take it to them." Contrast that with the skins who, once they saw how good the Pats were, took a big flop. Like a fighter who gets in the ring with the champ and decides not to get up after the first hard punch he gets.

So, I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing this team feel sorry for itself. It's time to man up and see if they have any guts left at all.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | December 4, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

If there is one bit of consolation that I think would make many Skins fans feel a little bit better (esp. because the last bone thrown to the fans was the hiring of Gibbs himself), it would be to allow him to do more -- with more autonomy -- as Team President ... and can Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: dcsween | December 4, 2007 11:55 AM

Sween? Anybody?

What exactly does Gibbs do right now and what exactly does Cerrato do? Oh, and while you're at it, what does Snyder do? I'm not asking what their titles are, but what do they do?

Posted by: i4abuy | December 4, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

And I'd like to second Freedom's comment about rebuilding. One of the things that has consistently been a problem for this organization are the high expectations that every season the Skins should be playoff bound. It's time to build for the long term, even if that means suffering through 1 or 2 bad seasons (which, if you think about it, is what we suffer through anyway even when they hire expensive veterans in an attempt to win a championship right away).

Posted by: gringoinmiami | December 4, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Freedom, I can't believe they haven't apologized or retracted the statements at least. They said its his own fault because of how his life used to be, but the murder is only related to him because he let his little sister throw her birthday at his house. He gave one of the guys a job, and because he was generous enough to let them into his home he was shot. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PAST LIFE AT ALL, IN ANY WAY!!!! Sorry, I'm just really pissed about how Wilbon and Steven A. Smith said its expected because he's young and black, thats stupid and brings up race when its not necessary.

Posted by: tweedr01 | December 4, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

gringoinmiami,

You mean to tell my that you are sick of the excuses? Novel idea there

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Gringoinmiami
I concur! By the way, I'm planning on moving back to Miami someday. I miss the beaches!!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: i4abuy | December 4, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

BEST POST IN THE HISTORY OF THE REDSKINS BLOG!!!!!!! thank you Erin.

As for the idiotic, ridiculous, absurd assertion that Gibbs intentionally called the timeout to take the loss off the team: you really have to be extraordinarily messed up in the head to believe such an asinine theory.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Well said gringoinmiami, I couldn't agree more.

As a fan who pays a ton of money on the Skins, I expect a superior effort from these highly paid professionals regardless of circumstances. This team simply does not have the hunger/desire/will to win - it's that simple, and Sean Taylor's passing - as tragic and unfortunate as it may be, and however hard it may have hurt his teammates who came to know him in ways we as fans never had the opportunity to experience - is simply another excuse at the end of the day.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

PS I would just like to point out that when Frank Gore lost his own MOTHER (not just a teammate) he went on to have a phenomenal season in her memory. It is truly telling that our team couldn't give that kind of dedication in ST's memory, if they were so affected by his loss. No Will To Win.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

I couldn't agree more! People that believe that theory are just in love with the Joe of the past and are to blind to see the present! He's cost us 2-3 games this year and I think its finally wearing on the players!

I heard on an ESPN blog yesterday that Bill Cowher will be the next redskins head coach, as soon as next year. Anyone else heard that?

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Excuses are what I am sick of as well. Good teams find a way to overcome adversity and move forward. A one week pass would certainly be justified in this case if this was a one week problem but its not. Lets revist the games this year.

Miami - had to win in overtime vs the worst team in football.

Philly - had to come up with a defensive stand inside the 10 yard line to prevent possible game tying td after dominating game

Giants - blown 17-3 lead to lose the game. Could not score from the 1 yard line in 3 tries

Detroit- only complete game this year

Packers - blown halftime lead and turnovers

Arizona - blown halftime lead and only won on a missed field goal at the end

Pats - ha ha ha. Biggest underdogs in NFL history. We had a chance right??

Jets- only after being down 17-3 do we decide we should play football. Okay second half due to no turnovers

Philly- blown second half lead and pourous defense

Dallas- turnovers and poor defense on TO. Ok game though for players that we had

Tampa Bay - turnovers and poor play calling and decisions. No field goal on 4th down inside the 5. Tampa Bay had 16 total yards in the 2nd half and no first downs and yet they win

Buffalo - dominate a game, clam up in the 2nd half, coach forgets rules, team loses

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It is truly telling that our team couldn't give that kind of dedication in ST's memory, if they were so affected by his loss. No Will To Win.

Posted by: kmk1973 | December 4, 2007 12:59 PM

kmk1973, I actually feel sorry for people like you. Your constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth is on full display. You really sound like the scum of the earth when you make comments like "It is truly telling that our team couldn't give that kind of dedication in ST's memory, if they were so affected by his loss" less than 24 hours after their fallen teammate was put to rest.

Please do the world and go fist yourself. Then repeat.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

That should say "Please do the world a favor and go fist yourself"

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

I couldn't agree more! People that believe that theory are just in love with the Joe of the past and are to blind to see the present! He's cost us 2-3 games this year and I think its finally wearing on the players!

I heard on an ESPN blog yesterday that Bill Cowher will be the next redskins head coach, as soon as next year. Anyone else heard that?

Posted by: redryan400 | December 4, 2007 01:02 PM

Actually, we don't agree. Well, we agree that Joe Jackson Gibbs did not intentionally call a 2nd timeout to put the loss on him...but anyone with the brain of at least a 3 year old knows Gibbs didn't do it intentionally. But, we don't agree that Gibbs has "cost us 2-3 games this year." I guess injuries aren't important? Nah, every team has some injuries, so i guess it doesn't matter that the Redskins have been decimated by injuries (and death) to many of their key players, right?

This team is frighteningly close to 11-1. Yes, you read that right. The Redskins could very well be 11-1 right now and in a real competition for homefield advantage in the playoffs.

We had 4th quarter leads in 11 games, did we not? How bout giving Joe Gibbs some credit for putting the team in position to win all of their games but one? Nah, this is the real world, where facts don't matter and people forget what happened 30 seconds ago...

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the bashing. There's only 3 professions that are set up to handle one of there own getting killed, Football is not one of them. Soldiers, police and fire fighters-and they have a hard time dealing with it. As much as you hear football players talking about going to war-its not-its a game. This season is effectivly over. We will end up losing most of our remaining games. It's a shame because if this team went though the season healthy we would do some real damage, but we haven't. So enjoy your families, your friends and have a litte empathy for a group going through a very tough time. I look forward to next year.

Posted by: jandlml | December 4, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Barno and Erin you are both a couple of tools, Snyder lackeys to be exact. Hope the check for the payola and excuses you guys are spitting buys some nice Christmas presents for the family...

Facts are facts: Joe Gibbs has assembled a team lacking intelligence and full of excuses for every loss. Kinda mirrors the coach if I do say so myself.

Posted by: rbrtsnode | December 4, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

This team is frighteningly close to 11-1.

Posted by: Barno | December 4, 2007 01:29 PM

Barno, That is a dangerous game to play. Cuz you can also play it the other way. We could easily be 1 - 11.

MIAMI WIN ...An OT game against a winless team

PHILLY WIN ... Mc Nabb had an open receiver on the goal line and missed him ( the 3rd down play before the final play)

DETROIT WIN ... No doubt about that one

ARIZONA WIN ... Gave up another lead and survived a missed FG by a good kicker.

NY JETS WIN ... Down 17-3 to that crappy team...had to go to OT !!


Those WINs could ALL have gone the other way. That's the way the NFL goes. Unless you play in Foxboro, you can play the numbers "what if " game for anybody.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

rbrtsnode,

One question: are you suffering from some mental handicap? Because if so, I don't want to attack you for your lack of intelligence. But if not, then I'd say you are a total buffoon who clearly was not a Washington Redskins fan in the 1980s and early 90s. You don't have one ounce of respect for the man responsible for 4 Redskins super bowl appearances in 11 years, and you call yourself a Redskins fan?

You just said Joe Gibbs lacks intelligence. Ever heard of the expression the "pot calling the kettle black"? That's you, buddy.

-Barno

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

cej75024,

I constantly hear people say we could easily only have 1 win. Well, if YOU are gonna play that game, then you have to look at the flip side of that coin. Gibbs has put a team decimated by injuries in position to win 11 games out of 12. The fact that the team didn't execute late in games is upsetting to all of us. But you have to be a fool to think Gibbs hasn't done an unbelievable job with this team.

We are talking about a team with essentially a rookie qb that lost 2 of their best lineman by week 2, whose top 2 receivers have been limited by injury all year, whose top RB was injured during the entire preseason, whose best linebacker has missed several games, whose best defensive player missed the last 4 games, whose fullback has missed the last 2 games, whose starting cornerback was lost for the season in week 7.

And somehow Joe Gibbs took this completely depleted roster and was winning the game in the 4th quarter in 11 out of 14 games. That, to me, is simply remarkable.


Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barno - go shave your puznatch.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

that should read "11 out of 12 games" not out of 14...

my error.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 4, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Barno...we should petition the league to make all NFL games only 3 quarters. Then we would be undefeated and win the superbowl. What the hell does winning three quarters of a game get you? It gets you an "L"!! Maybe when they come up with some kind of secondary playoff system for teams that almost win games, I will be excited. That is the dumbest argument I have heard yet. I would rather lose 100-0 than win three quarters and blow it in the end. Whether it is 100-0 or 17-16 it is still a loss!!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

LOL well if I'm a "tool" because I made a call for solidarity and compassion, I'll take that. Speaks to the sad state of humanity when you're labeled a tool for asking others to be kind.

JB said it best in his statement in the pregame show on Sunday... Those who are mature enough to understand the concept should demonstrate RESTRAINT. Although the context was slightly different when JB said this, the premise behind his comment remains the same. WHEN the time is APPROPRIATE some of these conversations can and should be had. Until then, show restraint.

Kudos to those that have the intellectual capacity to understand and demonstrate RESTRAINT.

For those who are not demonstrating restraint and compassion, there WILL come a time in your life (whether you choose to admit it or not) that you will be in desperate need of compassion from someone, somewhere. For your sake, you better hope they are just a little bit kinder than you have chosen to be in this situation. Funny though, karma can be a u know what....

-Erin

Posted by: airzmarz | December 4, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

rbrtsnode,

One question: are you suffering from some mental handicap? Because if so, I don't want to attack you for your lack of intelligence. But if not, then I'd say you are a total buffoon who clearly was not a Washington Redskins fan in the 1980s and early 90s. You don't have one ounce of respect for the man responsible for 4 Redskins super bowl appearances in 11 years, and you call yourself a Redskins fan?

You just said Joe Gibbs lacks intelligence. Ever heard of the expression the "pot calling the kettle black"? That's you, buddy.

-Barno
The only problem is two of those titles should -- and will, in time -- have astericks next to them since they occured duing strike seasons.

Posted by: rbrtsnode | December 4, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Annual review time if Barno were my boss: "Mike8, I know you didn't have much of a year, but you were great 25 years ago and I really love you for that. Even though you didn't really accomplish anything this year, you seemed like you were really trying, and for that I think you are outstanding, there's nobody I'd rather have doing the job, even if you really didn't do anything that worked, and our company has not improved at all in the past several years, despite all of the fancy new equipment I bought for you. Even though you aren't able to close the sale, and actually seem kind of confused about how to do so, I still remember how great you were back in the 80s. Despite that fact that our company is only in the 20th percentile, success-wise, in companies that do what we do, I think you're the greatest, and there's nobody I'd rather have running this company."

Posted by: mike8 | December 4, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Great analogy Mike!! Great

Its like all of those Cowboy fans whose argument is "We won all the superbowls in the 90's. Who cares. That was 10 years ago!

Posted by: Skins456 | December 4, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for posting Jason and please pass on my thanks to Erin. I am in total agreement with her. I too have found it disturbing to read and hear people bashing this team when it clearly is shaken because of Sean's death.

Posted by: hokiepokster92 | December 4, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Erin. Anyone who has the immaturity to be roasting the coaching staff or the players for anything having to do with the Bills game ought to grow up. Sean did, they can too.

This kind of whining belongs in the same classless category as Michael Wilbon and his 'thug' comments regards ST. Not one of you has the ability to go through what they did and do any better. Sorry, they are not solely there for your entertainment.

Posted by: forces | December 4, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Erin. However, you forget one truth in this country: For the most part, people are jerks. Call me cynical, but thats the way I see it. During the moment of silence, I could hear on TV.."bills suck!!"..some drunkard ruining a sad moment. Thats the culture we live in, sadly.

I guess rbrtsnode did show his lack of intelligence. The NFL only had one season shortened by a strike. So, if you wanna play the asterisk game, it would be 1, not 2. Clearly you dont know what you are talking about.

I also dont get the love for Cowher. WTF has he done? 1 super bowl, one awful loss. 12+ years. Big Ben is glad he's gone. I like Bill Cowher, but I dont think he is the answer, at all. Sounds like another Spurrier bandwagon.

People want to blame Gibbs, and at times, rightfully so. But, what about the false start on the 4th down at the beginning of the game where we had to settle for field goals? Why arent we calling out Chris Samuels.

Posted by: kreator6996 | December 4, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Well put Erin... Thanks for setting some of us straight. These guys are going through alot right now and they need our support and loyalty more then ever...

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