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Hall of Fame Game

The Pro Football Hall of Fame has announced that the Redskins indeed will play in the annual Hall of Fame game, facing the Indianapolis Colts at 8 p.m. Aug. 3 in Canton, Ohio. The game is played the day after Hall of Fame inductions, which, this year, will include Art Monk and Darrell Green.

By Cindy Boren  |  February 10, 2008; 7:19 PM ET
 
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Woo Aug 3 is Skins o rama day

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see the maroon and yellow representing ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 10, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Does that mean the Skins get 5 pre-season games? Doesn't that happend to some teams every year?

Posted by: daytradeforcash | February 10, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see the maroon and yellow representing ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 10, 2008 07:25 PM


Umm the colors are burgundy and gold. Get it right or else.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

With a new Coach maybe an extra game will help

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

its also an extra meaningless game that somebody might blow out a knee......

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

A fair point, I dunno if they do the 5 pre-season game schedule is still in effect or what.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

CL, bringing truth to the blog again. It's going to be a Zorntastic game!

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

How many games does it take for a rookie coach to get used to the pressure of his new position?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Zorn will let CP take the pre-season off again.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

thanks diddy...us wannabees need to stick together!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that I'm an intellectual lightweight and a wannabe. I wish I could be successful and make people like me. I hate myself.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody make and post on youtube a "Leave Snyder Alone" video in the "Leave Brittney Alone" mold...

That would be very funny...


Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I like you PDiddy, but just as a fellow blogger. But hey I like most anyone from Seattle, unless the skins are playing the seahawks.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

We could start a loser RI Blog superhero team...."Wannabee and Intellectual Lightweight"

Fighting reason, logic and blind devotion to corporate sports teams everywhere!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

CL- Why not get TO to do it?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

F TO!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Mike McCarthy Coach of the 13-3 Pack an offensive line coach when they hired him? Another Walsh/Holgren etc. disciple. I am just sayin...
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is a cute little town, Alex. It has grown on me like moss on a stone. It's not the glamorous city I'm used to, and wearing anything other than fleece constitutes "dressing up". But it's pretty down to earth, and the commitment to stewardship of the environment and living healthy is in line with my personal philosophy (apart from the copious tequila drinking)...

Speaking of copious tequila consumption, I'm throwing a party for some returning Iraq War vets tonight. Should be a long, long night which I can only hope to remember. :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

CL, if we start a Loser RI Blog Superhero Team, do we need to extend an invite to barno? I want to get the by-laws straight. I'm a man of the people, I don't like to exclude others, particularly if they're eminently qualified.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Roy Williams say he was going to do something special to honor Sean Taylor at the Pro Bowl? Anybody know what he did?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

We are fans of a sadsack, incompetent franchise. Most of us will never stop being fans. It's in our blood, part of our childhoods, often our fandom is an inheritance from our fathers. We're not going anywhere. Neither is this team. So we settle for our offseason carnival as a proxy for playoff success.

Just have fun with it.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 07:22 PM

Agree 100%. Living in New Mexico, I became a fan in 78 because I HATE THE COWGIRLS and grew to love the Skins. I am a die hard Skins fan and will support them inspite of the FO!!

Some on this blog need a HIT!!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 10, 2008 07:37 PM

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

P
Suit up for some emotions man, back when I was working with the Anti-war movement in DC I hung out with allot of guys with PTSD and stuff, and they can get very very emotional about what happens over there.

One guy who was the lead artillery gunner in the battle of faluja comes to mind, ended up killing about 1,000 civilians when shelling with white phosphorous and had to go check all the bodies for weapons, guy is totally messed up from that now.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I would nominate Barno to the Toastmaster position as well as club archivist in the Blog Superloser Team.

Posted by: driley | February 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"I'm hoping I don't have to put out every fire. I'm hoping there are going to be enough people in place in a supportive role that they can put out the fire before it gets to me," Zorn said. "Because I want to coach. I'm not here for fluff. I want to lead and I want to motivate."

Get ready for Norv part II everyone. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Alex, it is an honor to throw this party tonight. One of the men is the husband of a really good friend and I wanted to do something for them. They both suggested throwing the little shindig instead of a dinner or something more formal. So that's what it is. We should get a great turnout of friends, family, and random passersby.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for Norv part II everyone. :(

- Ray
Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 07:48 PM


Now with 90% less poxmarking.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

This hire is very interesting.....dare I say I actually like it??

As this team does get younger......and it will.....from everything I've read about Zorn so far...its a good fit.

If you look at the coaching tree he comes from....their success has always been a direct tie between a young coach/young QB. Holmgren-Favre, Reid-Mcnabb, Mariucci-Garcia, Mariucci/ Morningwheg-Harrington.

We'll have to see what the future holds.....but if the past holds up we'll be glad we have a QB for hopefully the next 10+ years.

Posted by: goosedude | February 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember another team that hired a Holmgren prodigy in 1999 that had never been a cordinator that was the Eagles (Andy Read) and all they have done since is win 5 NFC east championships and go to the Superbowl and if I recall the owner got ripped for it so lets wait and see what happens.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Good for you ditty.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice at the Zorn presser that when he complimented the way the Skins handled the Sean Taylor tragedy, he went out of his way to talk about what a brilliant tribute the first defensive play after his death was - the one with 10 players? Obviously Zorn didn't realize that Gibbs (who was sitting just a few feet away at the presser) didn't know that the 10 man opening play defense was even going to happen, and was upset after the game that Williams didn't consult him about it.

Posted by: godiva2 | February 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I dont wannabee on Barno's Super Hero team! Ok I will be a super villan...

Call me....

"F Bomb"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

wait did I just hear Harrington mentioned as a QB success story?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson just dedicated his Pro Bowl MVP Honors to Sean Taylor. Wow, what a class act for such a young man.

Posted by: daytradeforcash | February 10, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

How did Snyder have anything to do with Norv the team sucked under Norv for 7 years and you expect Snyder not to fire him give me a break the only coach he pulled a quick trigger on was Marty and thats because he wanted control of the organization back now I am not saying that it is the best thing but it is his team. So stop acting like he fires all his coaches after one year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 10, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Norv....
Worst Skins Coach....ever.

Still angry about his boneheaded moves and mumbling and letting GREEN and GANNON wallow on the bench while Shuler & Frerotte were starters.....not to mention the all-time lows he took the team too.

ONLY SKINS COACH TO LOSE EVERY HOME GAME IN A SEASON!! HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

GAH! I hate him!!

Posted by: goosedude | February 10, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Give 'Skins a chance; maybe they know what they're doing

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10632960

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, your throwing a party for Iraq Vets (kudos...now for joke) but I thought you hated America?!?!

goosedude, are you sure Gannon was on a Norv squad I thought he only was with skinz the one Pettibone year?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

@alex35332

I only included Harrington....not as a success story....but as an example of how dependent the success or failure of a young QB is in this coaching tree

Posted by: goosedude | February 10, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

i dunno about worst we have had som really really bad coaches in our dark days. I think Spurrier was as bad as Norv. Also if you want to look at our history and some of the old timers. There is Eddie Casey who went 2-8-1 in his only year as HC. John Whelchel whos record was 3-3-1. Herman Ball, was also piss pour though I cant get his exact record off Wiki.
Here is the unofficial off Wiki list of our coaches:

Lud Wray 1932
William Dietz 1933-1934
Eddie Casey 1935
Ray Flaherty 1936-1942. Pro Football HOF Class of 1976.
Dutch Bergman 1943
Dudley DeGroot 1944-1945
Turk Edwards 1946-1948. Pro Football HOF Class of 1969.
John Whelchel 1949
Herman Ball 1949-1951
Dick Todd 1951*
Curly Lambeau 1952-1953. Pro Football HOF Class of 1963.
Joe Kuharich 1954-1958
Mike Nixon 1959-1960
Bill McPeak 1961-1965
Otto Graham 1966-1968. Pro Football HOF Class of 1965.
Vince Lombardi 1969**. Pro Football HOF Class of 1971.
Bill Austin 1970*
George Allen 1971-1977. Pro Football HOF Class of 2002.
Jack Pardee 1978-1980
Joe Gibbs 1981-1992. Pro Football HOF Class of 1996.
Richie Petitbon 1993
Norv Turner 1994-2000
Terry Robiskie 2000*
Marty Schottenheimer 2001
Steve Spurrier 2002-2003
Joe Gibbs 2004-2007
Jim Zorn 2008-present

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"MAROON BLACK and YELLOW!!!!! I can not believe it!!!"

Was Zorn serious when he said this or was he just making fun of himself regarding his choice of suit and tie? (I didn't see the press conference, but saw a picture of him online.)

Posted by: tigersclaw | February 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

CL, the only things I hate in the world are ferrets. And Ann Coulter.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Rich Gannon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Gannon

'Skins in 1993 only, Petitbon's year.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

CONTINUITY!!!

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 10, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Ferrets??? But they are so cute...they stole every scene they were in during the movie, Beast Master!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"MAROON BLACK and YELLOW!!!!! I can not believe it!!!"

Maybe he was just looking at the little American Indian dude on the side of the helmet when he said that. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

CL, the only things I hate in the world are ferrets. And Ann Coulter.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 08:04 PM

Diddy,

The postings sound too intelligent and lack the totally of the wall ad homenium attacks that are her staple, but after reading some of barno's postings, I have wondered if barno IS Ann Coulter.

hmm...

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 10, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse


Now that the coaching search fiasco is over, now we need to turn our attention to personnel needs. 'Boys, Birds, and the gints will all be highly-competitive, without some upgrades you can bet we will lose big time ground against them. Especially with a first time coach implementing a new system. so we need:

1) a big-time receiver
2) a new right O tackle (we draft him)
3) an edge rusher (calais campbell of miami?)
4) a CB to pair with Smooty. Will Stone Hands recover? Can Springbrook stay healthy?
5) Might need a backer too if Rocky doesn't bounce back.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 10, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ferrets were also an excellent supporting actor in Bright Lights, Big City.

Diddy, you better lay off the ferret insults or else, pal :)

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 10, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

After watching this joke of presser I'm having a bit of buyer's remorse re Zorn, who I'm totally unimpressed with. I mean, if this guy turns out to be a complete failure, we obviously point the finger at VinnyDan. But we also have to look in the mirror, since most of us up here brought out the Fassel-hate with passion. And apparently VinnyDan was listening, so now we have Zorn.

Anyone else wondering if Fassel wouldn't have been so bad?

Posted by: RambleOn | February 10, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I want my RI Blog Loser Superhero name to be The Ferret.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't Mike McCarthy Coach of the 13-3 Pack an offensive line coach when they hired him?"

Nopers:

McCarthy found work in 2000 with the New Orleans Saints, for whom he took over as offensive coordinator. He would remain in that position for five seasons, presiding over an offense that scored for 432 points in 2002 and being selected as "NFC Assistant Coach of the Year" by USA Today in 2000. In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers.....

Plus it's kinda hard to screw up Favre, ya know? Zorn is so not ready IMHO, but it should be interesting.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

F the presser......that was the curtain call for this whole shabingus FUBAR....

It was going to be a joke no matter what...

Lets take a wait and see on the Zorn, I am ready to roll with this pious SOB!

What other choice do we have, soccer? shudder....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else wondering if Fassel wouldn't have been so bad?"

I think you're gonna see the same results either way.

One and done. :(

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 10, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Ray -- I think you're right

Posted by: RambleOn | February 10, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

ALL YOU SO CALLED FANS SUCKS AZZ!

GIBBS 2.0 WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE HYPE IT GOT BACK IN 2004. OUR OFFENSE SUCKED AND LACKED BIG PLAY ABILITY. OUR DEFENSE WAS STRONG BUT WE COULD HAVE BEEN 12-4 THIS YEAR IF THE OFFENSE COULD SCORE POINTS AND OUR DEFENSE COULD HOLD A LEAD.
I THINK THE ZORN HIRE IS A GOOD ONE. THIS ORGANIZATION NEED TO SHAKE THINGS UP AND BRING IN SOME NEW BLOOD WITH A NEW PERSPECTIVE. OK YES..THIS HIRE WAS DONE IN A STRAGE FASHION BUT ULTIMATELY WE GOT A COACH WITH A GOOD UPSIDE. NOT A RECYCLED COACH WITH A BIG NAME... WHO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LET US DOWN BECAUSE OF THE BIG NAME. HELL, IF A HALL OF FAME COACH COULDN'T DO IT...YOU THINK SOME OTHER RECYCLED COACH WOULD.
DEAL WITH CHANGE PEOPLE.

P.S. HEY JASON, GWILLIAMS IS GONE...DEAL WITH IT AND MOVE ON AND STOP DRAGGIN THIS THING ON... NOW WONDER COACH GIBBS NEVER TALKED TO YOU....TO BLOODY NEGATIVE AND IF YOU HAD THE INSIDE SCOOP...YOU WOULD HAVE REPORTED THIS ZORN HIRE WAY BEFORE ESPN.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 10, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

JZ must be given a chance before final judgement is passed....I tend to be optimistic but very real in my thinking when it comes to the skins and the NFL in general, I never let my passion for the team cloud my arguments.....We are a team that could go either way over the next couple of seasons, we have some talent but overall are not amoung the leagues best. rather we are squarley in the middle of the pack and to get up to the next level campbells developement is essential...beyond that as we change offensive systems we can not have any personell mishaps like the reciever and arch d... the next couple of drafts and FA signing periuods along with the undrafted fa's must have many more hits than misses..... all crutches (gibbs returning) have been forever removed, danny's franchise has to stand on its own two feet,you have to hope that no matter how they arrived at the "Zorn decision" they now have a real comfort that he is thier guy and they use luck and patience (skill?) in getting better players over the next couple of seasons...... I will say this about how this whole thing and DANVinny's MO and history running the show here, they better give it every chance to work because if they meddle (to much) or blow it up before its really given a fair chance.... then the fallout this 30 day oddessy created will pale in comparison....one man's opinion

Posted by: Oldschool | February 10, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I will never ever ever regret us not hiring fossil. I want my Superhero name to be Nightrider. Unless that name is taken, then I want Green Arrow, and if thats taken I want Neon.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

@pdiddy

Correct on Gannon ....but NORV came in...and had a say on whether or not to keep him. He didn't....instead choosing John Friesz and Frerotte to be backups. Gannons sat out 1994 instead....and I thought he played ok in the games he played for the Skins.

Way to go Norv.

Posted by: goosedude | February 10, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

jjwilson312003 um I think you have your caps on dude.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I want my Superhero name to be Nightrider. Unless that name is taken, then I want Green Arrow, and if thats taken I want Neon.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 08:21 PM

I christen myself "Tree Hugger"

Suck it, Danny!

Eagles Fan Adam

Posted by: argh | February 10, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Reading about ferrets on Wikipedia. I take it back. F ferrets. What disgusting creatures. I'm going to leave The Ferret name for someone else.

Maybe I'll be The Tick, or The Flea. Who was The Flea back in 1991?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

anyone LOVE the irony of JJ-Willies unhinged tirade next to my man Old School's measured and reasoned post...

JJ-willy's RI Loser Super Hero name: "UNHINGED"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Old School seems to be a master of the reasoned post.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

jjwilson312003 um I think you have your caps on dude.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 08:24 PM

LOL, best response of the day!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Ooooh, here's a good Loser Superhero name! Friesz Frame! You have the power to stop Loseable Type in its tracks, ending nonsensical posts from nutcases with axes to grind. As an added bonus, you're a big enough Loser to not be able to start on a Norv Turner team.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool has a very important point. If the Dynamic Duo are seen to meddle with Zorn or interfere with his decision making or otherwise hamstring him from being successful, the rest of the coaches in the League will take note. This could be their last stand.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The comment by Zorn that the center needs to get his azz up so that JC can be more explosive was highly illuminating! Did he get that from Synder or Vinny? And was this problem identified during the interview process?

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 10, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

anybody watching the grammys (sorry wife in music biz)....wow i wanna hang myself with zorn's ill colored tie.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hank Hill Show "What's more American than breaking an unjust law"

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I could deal with the tie if he had on a burgundy dress shirt. I know they exist I have two. One Silk, one french cut. I prefer wearing a black tie with em though.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Diddy

I did some preliminary research on my barno is Anne Coulter theory and things don't look so pormising. However, the following section of the wiki is just wacky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter#Personal_life

Personal Life:

Coulter has been engaged several times, but never married.[15] She has dated Penthouse founder and publisher Bob Guccione, Jr.,[16] and conservative writer Dinesh D'Souza.[17] In October of 2007, she began dating Andrew Stein, the former president of the New York City Council, who is a liberal Democrat. When asked about the relationship, Stein told the paper, "She's attacked a lot of my friends, but what can I say, opposites attract!"[18] On January 7, 2008, however, Stein told the New York Post that the relationship was over, citing irreconcilable differences.[3]

She owns both a condominium in Manhattan and a house, bought in 2005, in Palm Beach, Florida. Although she says that usually she lives in New York, she votes in Palm Beach and is not registered to do so in New York.[19] She is a fan of the Grateful Dead,[20][21] and some of her favorite books include The Bible, Wuthering Heights, Anna Karenina, true crime stories about serial killers, and anything by Dave Barry.[22]

Posted by: argh | February 10, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Adam...you're, uh, getting a bit obsessed over there.

I like how she dated D'Souza. Two lovely mental midgets there. As Jeff Goldblum said in Jurassic Park II, "They say talent skips a generation. Don't worry, I'm sure your kids will be as sharp as tacks."

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Dude Ann Colter is one F'ed up chick, someone needs to send her to a shrink.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You guys see those Zornados in Tennessee earlier this week? Terrible...

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with the new coach messing up the team's colors after he's only been here two weeks.

But, does he know all the words to Hail to the Redskins? Did anyone quiz him on this? And, if he doesn't know them, does he at least know where to look them up on the internet?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for some speculation on what the West Coast offense will mean for players like Cooley, Moss and Portis.

It was sad not to see any defensive players in the Pro Bowl from the Redskins.

Looking ahead to additions. I'd like to see three free agent signings. (1) A decent starting guard so we can dump Pucillo and put Randy Thomas as a reserve. (2) A shut down corner since Rogers leg is toast. Asante Samuels would be worth it. Cut either Springs or Rogers.
(3) Get a rush end. We absoluteley need a Campan/Schobel/Jared Allen type to add to the pass rush.

With the draft, I'd like to try and pick up extra picks this year by moving Betts and Randle El. Betts has no field vision or moves, and run straight ahead. Still fumbles. Cartwright is insurance enough. Randle El is a short below average receiver and has lost his return ability (went backwards for losses on more than half his returns last year and no td's, miserable).

With the draft picks...bulk up the defensive and offensive lines with early picks. Middle and late rounds look for a running back and tall receiver. Maybe pick up an upgrade over Doughty for saftey, and a linebacker in case Rocky's knee is a total loss.


Posted by: DownTownClown | February 10, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW, R.I.P. Roy Scheider. He could beat up the shark, but not death.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Dude Comcast does those dumb player interviews most our players don't know the song.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Girls,

It's been an unqualified train-wreck.

All of it. From A to Z.

Now we have the combine and free-agency. More laughs and chuckles right around the corner.

Posted by: gdennie | February 10, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

alex,

That's why the coach needs to know the song. He's got to coach 'em up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Enough already about Zorn's suit. Geez.....seems like some of you have to complain about something all the time. If he had shown up in a burgundy suit you would have criticized that as well....calling it "cheesy."

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 10, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Putting on your Dynamic Duo masks, NOT your "I'm a fan and therefore I know better" guise...who do you think they go after in the offseason?

My bets:
- Ocho Cinco
- Asante Samuels
- Lance Briggs
- Jared Allen (if not franchised)

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

If he had shown up in a burgundy suit you would have criticized that as well....calling it "cheesy."

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 10, 2008 08:53 PM

Now we would have called it maroon.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, had Zorn shown up in a burgundy suit and fedora, we would be talking Super Bowl right now.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Diddy--

None of the above. All too expensive. Let Vinnie earn his bucks finding us under-the-radar guys.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

t_e, it will be very interesting if they end up trying to play fantasy football again. It's going to be a fun offseason.

I am working up two sets of blog responses for the offseason. I'm meticulously crafting talking points, witticisms, and general tomfoolery. One set will be of the "What idiots! They're playing fantasy football" ilk, while the other set will be of the "What idiots! Who are these guys they keep signing?" variety.

Either way, I know I'll be right in my opinion because I am a lifelong fan of the maroon and black and yellow and we are never wrong.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"put Randy Thomas as a reserve."

wow really...ok....

and say it with me...."you cant trade contracts like are and betts, especially for picks"

i mean its not like there are other teams like the skins who trade picks for marginal players....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Holy smokes, this year we're not only going to be the unofficial champions of the offseason, we're going to play in the offseason's Super Bowl, the Hall of Fame Game!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 10, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Diddy

Not surprised about D'Souza, but it was the troika of names that blew me away. It sounds like a really bad bar joke (Bob Guccione, Dinesh D'Souza, and Andrew Stein walk into a bar...)

The other thing that totally freaked me out is that Anne Coulter is a deadhead. I'm having visions of her in a tye-dye t-shrit, totally blitzed on mushrooms, freaking out because the "corn-fed, no make-up, natural fiber, no-bra needing, sandal-wearing, hirsute, somewhat fragrant hippie chick pie wagons" heads are mutating into pig snouts and babbling in mandarin at her.

Wouldn't that be an awful trip, eh?

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Clown,
I can't say I agree with most of those moves. Trade El? Starting Guard as the priority?

I could see picking up a rookie and getting him some training time and reps for two years from now. But Thomas is our best run blocker we have.

I could also see finding a new PR because you are right the Randel El, AFC style side to side stuff does not work in for an NFC East team. But he is productive at WR.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

You know what though, this just might get us out of the "laughing stock of the league" category:
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10632960

And this isn't exactly a blazing article, but it's not rippin us either
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ihZdNlPaT6P3piXU-80m1vLKnK0AD8UNP3QO2

Posted by: craig2 | February 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Just read that Zorno is an evangelical Christian, just like St. Joe. So, at the very least, we can hope for some "swinging souls" quotes this year!

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

That's it for me, friends. I promised I'd wait until after they named a new coach, so now it's official. After 37 years, I'm moving to the New York Giants.

I don't care if they don't win another title; I'd rather lose with Eli and company than win with Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. There simply no words for the contempt I have for those two "gentlemen". I refuse to compromise my principles just because the Redskins have been a huge part of my life. A title under Danny would be as awful to me as a
1-15 season. As I said last week, I never left the Redskins. Rather, they left me. Best of luck to you all.

Posted by: Soups1 | February 10, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

gag me soups1, you won't be missed

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Bye Soups. We'll keep the seat warm for you. Quitting the 'Skins is like breaking up with the hot crazy chick. You know you should, but you also know that there's a primal urge that's keeping you from doing it.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait I thought that Soup was in the dumping if Fassel became HC group.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 10, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Zorn's suit today sucked.

I got nothing else tonight.

Anyone have a topic? I have time to kill.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Lost. Does Barno remind you of Henry?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

C YA soups, good riddance

Posted by: craig2 | February 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

lost is kickin azz!!!! do u think the writers can hustle back and get us some more episodes this season?!?!?!

Does anyone miss Heroes...that show jumped the shark quick...

Did we watch the last ever Friday Night Lights this weekend...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

do u think the writers can hustle back and get us some more episodes this season?!?!?!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 09:33 PM

Yes. Dudes been sitting around doing nothing for months. They've got to be full of ideas.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The writers are indeed back. I believe the Guild tentatively approved everything. The full membership votes this week (I vote YES YES YES YES YES).

Lost is AWESOME. I have my Lost theory. The island exists at a different point in time than the world the Oceanic 815 survivors originated from. They hit some kind of time bubble and were sent back in time. When we saw the remains of the polar bear at the beginning of this past episode, I interpreted that to mean that those "flash forwards" took place in the Oceanic 815 survivors' original time period and that it was the same polar bear that made an appearance in the first season.

Open questions I have relate to Walt. Why does this kid have special powers? What is his deal? Who are the crew from the boat? Were they in the original time period, or are they on the island's time period? Are they trapped back in time with the Oceanic survivors? What are their intentions?

Fantastic episode, and after that terrible lull at the beginning of last season, it's really picked up. They've hit a stride, and with only 46 episodes remaining, they have a shot at wrapping up the show's mythology in fine fashion and going out with an epic finale. I hope the writers don't screw this up.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I met Ann Coulter.... nice guy.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 10, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Heroes totally jumped the shark. Yuck.

That first season was incredible. This second season has been lame. Now, when they interviewed creator Tim Kring about it, he admitted that he show had dropped off considerably and he promised that the heroes would soon be back to doing, you know, heroic things.

That Wonder Twins subplot that derailed the most interesting character in the whole show (Sylar) to the teleplay version of purgatory was ludicrous.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Soups1....you never were a Skins fan......and never will be.

Go be a PATS fan....you fit the profile of a bandwagoner.....

Posted by: goosedude | February 10, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

FNL is on my TiVo. I'm going to watch tomorrow night probably.

I love Minka Kelly (Lyla Garrity). Mmmmmmmm...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Just trying to catch up here. Sorry to reference a post from a few hrs ago but kudos to Old School. Summed it up well.

ESPN was a bit skeptical as well - not the columnists with some huge ax to grind Barno, just the beat guy reporting on news conference.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3240070


Their view of how this all came about: "Not too surprising, really, given that Zorn himself said it was nothing short of "miraculous" that he was standing where he was: a few feet behind the team's three Super Bowl trophies, essentially making the jump from quarterbacks coach to head coach because none of the candidates on owner Dan Snyder's initial list worked out."

I guess that the idea that Zorn was so obviously great that you didn't bother to interview him until Thursday didn't sell with the ESPN beat writers. They agreed with Zorn's own view that it was 'miraculous' as well. I guess it is the opposite of 'always a bridesmaid, never a bride.'

Scary email from my Bengals friend: limited record/experience QB coach promoted to HC = Dave Shula. Just want to be clear that this franchise is not yet the Bengals, but lets not all assume that Zornographer = Andy Reid, etc. And let's all hope that Zornographer = Shula. God willing I guess.

Cleary900

Posted by: tjc_commerce | February 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry: to amend the last one I want to be clear that I am hoping that Coach Z is not Shula.

cleary900

Posted by: tjc_commerce | February 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn maybe a christian, but I am praying and hoping that after some solid season, I will converted to Zornastrism!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Having been in management in several organizations and having been involved in the hiring of many key people within those organizations - I look at Redskins hiring of Zorn and I say bravo! From everything that I've read this was not only a textbook hire, it was a process that was unbelievably thorough and exhaustive. I've been a Redskins since I was a 10 yr old boy in 1971 living in Fairfax, and I'm very thankful that the Redskins have an owner that cares enough about this team that he would put this much effort into this hire.

Why didn't they hire the head coach first? How many times does that happen in the corporate world? The key is hiring people who know their job and can work with other people. Yes, football is about mechanics and strategy, but it's more about people.

Is Jim Zorn going to take the Redskins to the Superbowl? Maybe, maybe not -- but he, like Joe Gibbs, clearly knows how to work with people, and I think that he has as good shot (I believe better) at doing good things with this team as any of the other candidates. I'm excited for this team.

No doubt, I will get slammed by some on this blog (just remember that you could be Falcons, Vikings, or even a Cowboys fan - yuck!), but I've got to say --

Dan Snyder - You've done an outstanding job! Thank you.

From a True Redskins Fan in Indiana

Posted by: fhhhkty | February 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

just to comment on soups. I know I'm a little late. We're glad to see you go. We don't need fake a$$ bandwagon jumpers around that only like the world if it fits their cozy little (yet screwed up) perception of how things should work. No one cares what you think and things aren't going to change because your life sucks. Deal with it as a Giants fan and F off!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I guess I should say I"M glad to see you go. Can't speak for anyone else.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Okay, that has to be a troll. Maybe Cindy, selfishly trying to dredge up some extra posts on the way to whatever number we're on our way to.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

more "true redskins fans"....thanks for playing.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I am starting think of self-proclaimed "True Redskins fans" like I think of self-proclaimed "True Americans"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Still rather be a Falcons or Vikings fan than a Giants, Dallas, or Patriots fan. At least than no one could accuse you of being a bandwagon jumper. I live in Ohio and I swear I've never seen more Patriots jerseys than this year. I thought that I fell asleep and woke up in Boston (without the terrible accent)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if I'm a "True American"...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

prolly not, commie!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

That's it for me, friends. I promised I'd wait until after they named a new coach, so now it's official. After 37 years, I'm moving to the New York Giants.

I don't care if they don't win another title; I'd rather lose with Eli and company than win with Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. There simply no words for the contempt I have for those two "gentlemen". I refuse to compromise my principles just because the Redskins have been a huge part of my life. A title under Danny would be as awful to me as a
1-15 season. As I said last week, I never left the Redskins. Rather, they left me. Best of luck to you all.

Posted by: Soups1 | February 10, 2008 09:17 PM

That's good Soups! they are just won the Superbowl. For me, I still love the Skins no matter what. I can't sell my soul. Have fun with NY Giant.

Posted by: kennyvivi04 | February 10, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

wait aren't you for Barack?!?! Mitt Romney, a true American if I have seen one, said at C-PAC that means you want Al Queda to win!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I hear Soups1 new fave teams are:

Giants
Redsox
Spurs
Anehiem Ducks
Florida Gators (BB)
LSU (FB)
EPL's Arsenal

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, CL. I am all in for Obama. Guess that means I'm going to hell.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

well see ya in hell than!!!!!!! (yeah me too....)

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Soups1 faves teams last year

Colts
St. Louis Cardinals
Miami Heat
Carolina Hurricans
Florida Gators (FB/BB)

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, CL. I am all in for Obama. Guess that means I'm going to hell.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 10, 2008 10:22 PM


Go Obama! There's no way he loses this upcoming election. We had Clinton and then Bush - the one thing they had in common was that they were young. McCain is way too old and Hilary has too much baggage.

Posted by: david | February 10, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Amy Whinehouse looks like a bad Christina Aguilara....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 10, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Amy Winehouse needs to be force fed. Someone needs to make her understand that talented and tragic don't necessarily have to go together.

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Also, Road Trip.....

Since I'm going to the HOF Induction, I might as well go to the HOF game. As long as they don't charge Dan prices....

Go Maron and Black and Yellow!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 10, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

bash all you want, but Whinehouse produced the realest moment at that colective HJ known as the Grammys!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I may go to HOF just for the tailgating...we'll talk when its closer....

Maybe be RI meetup?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Not bashing her at all. I *love* her. I'd just prefer to read the tabloid sites without wondering when I'll see that she ODed.

And, I agree with you. The Grammys are awful! I've had the show playing in the background, and she was the only thing so far that has made me lift my head from the computer.

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

agreed Just Me.....crack is whack...hopefully she is alive at next years grammies....but has the sense to STAY AWAY!

HAHAHA....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, she's probably feeling pretty lucky right now that her visa was denied. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

For goodness sake, can folks let the Cowher angle go?:


www.profootballtalk.com

"FINAL SAY" ISSUE A PITCH TO COWHER?

One of the more intriguing aspects of the Redskins' stunning decision to hire Jim Zorn to serve as the team's next head coach is that Zorn also will have final say over the roster. Supposedly.

"Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

Amid rumblings in league circles that Zorn is merely holding the spot until Bill Cowher decides to return (and to receive at least $10 million in salary from the 'Skins), it could be that Snyder's comments are intended to send a message to Cowher that, if/when he ever decides to join the team, he'll truly get to run the show.

Most league observers had presumed that Executive V.P. of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato would now have final say over personnel. If that were the case, however, it would be difficult for Snyder to dump Zorn and keep Cerrato if/when Cowher comes aboard. As it now stands, Zorn has the ultimate authority -- and the ultimate accountability.

It will remain to be seen what if any position Cerrato would have under Cowher. When Cowher's mentor, Marty Schottenheimer, was the head coach of the Redskins in 2001, Cerrato got Schott-canned. Under Cowher, it could be that Cerrato would slide into a Rich McKay-style role, with a big title but no real football-related job to do, since Cowher would bring in guys like Kevin Colbert and/or Omar Khan to handle player selection and contract negotiation.

Posted by: JustMe | February 10, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

ZORNBINGUS!

please say I was the 1st to think of it!

Posted by: Dorf | February 10, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Please, give the Cowher garbage a rest.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

zorn rulz
cowher drulz
snyderis a foolz

Posted by: chrislarry | February 10, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

I was wondering how many Burgubdy suits you have you were correct they found something else to cry about. The tie looks gold to me it might be yellow but I did not know we were hiring him for his fashion sense I thought he was are football coach.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 10, 2008 07:41 PM

LOL I know...something else too...That's the exact same color tie Gibbs had on in his comeback conference...but of course NOBODY questioned or made fun of the Chief... :)

Posted by: leevi98 | February 11, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

ZORNAMANIA!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 11, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know when tickets go on sale for the HOF Game?

As long as I'm going to the induction, I should certainly stay an extra day for the game.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the rules as far as extra minicamps and or early training camp report dates now that the Zornstar is in town. i vaguely remember that Gibbs and or Spurrier got extra time in the spring to implement their schemes. is that still the case and if so how much extra time does the team get?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | February 11, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

You can only start training camp no earlier than 14 Days before training camp.

So, since we havr the 1st preseason game of the year, we will be able to start training camp the earliest amongst any other team.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say 14 days before your 1st preseason game...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say 14 days before your 1st preseason game...


Oh, good. I was afraid it was a riddle. :)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I thought Zorn Sounded pretty good...I like that he does not claim anything like Steve in the past ...he sounds humble and ready to work....He sounds like he has looked at various reels of film already...I just have a good feeling about this guy...nothing more but a gut feeling but it just feels right somehow....He sounded a bit nervous at first...but he seemed to settle that down quickly.....ZORNAMANIA

Posted by: leevi98 | February 11, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

From out of the west came a mighty man.
ZORN!
With an eager voice he said, "Yes, I can!"
ZORN!

"I promise to raise the center's butt."
ZORN!
"See, Jason's too tall to crouch and say 'hut'."
ZORN!

"I know that in pressers I'm kind of slow.
ZORN!
But I won't call two f'ing timeouts in a row."
ZORN!

"Plus Danny and me--and Vinny as well,"
ZORN!
We're tight as ticks--we get along swell."
ZORN!

"So Skins fans, please, ya'll come back."
ZORN!
"It'll be a great year for the maroon and black."
ZORN!

Posted by: farstriker | February 11, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

"Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

Is this real? Is it in the contract? Is he the next Gibbs 2.0.?

Can he get is own coaches now too?


Zorn you are a "dead man" figurativly. If you have power use it. But if you don't then VinnyDan will blame you for everything.

I like Zorn. I don't know why he is the head coach.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Please, give the Cowher garbage a rest.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 10, 2008 11:43 PM

It is not garbage. Zorn looks every bit the fall guy (now). Vinny does not want that because he will be back to ordering pizzas during the meetings.

Zorn = QB Coach, O-coord?, play caller?, HC, PR guy, and GM. WTF

Oh and if someone mentions Reid again!!!!!!

Reid is a good leader - but did well in a weak division (with us and Fassel) and made some of the dumbest decisions imaginable. (way way way too many passes with Donoven, played him on a broken leg)
Plus Reid's good teams have been based on D not on offense. Not great in the playoffs. He coached more positions on O then did Zorn.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Kost you getting excited for the upcoming NRL season? Are in NSW?

Posted by: Skinz | February 8, 2008 04:47 PM

Sorry mate, just found this! I'm in Vic, so I'm more of a Aussie Rules fan. But I am a Melbourne Storm fan, so it'll be interesting to see if we can go back to back, we've lost a few players due to salary cap.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins story is not only Funny as SHI* but full of Sarcastic FACTS!! See ya in 3 yrs when skins can OPT out of contract? (since when do new coaches sign contracts that teams can opt out of?)Hmmm

Posted by: 1991solongago | February 11, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Mul,

I think Reid's dumb moves tend to be personnel related, as in having a great QB and never getting more then one good WR for him to play with. At best they would have a good WR + Westbrook. and some go-along guys. But their TE's were always overrated and at one point Toothpick Pinkston was their deep threat.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

It's actually 2 option years. It's up to the team if they want to pick up those last 2 yars. So, it's really a gaureenteed 3 year deal with 2 additional option years. There is no opting out since there is nothing to opt out of.

It is fairly common in the NFL now. Billick had the same same deal on his extension a 2 years ago. And I know Lane Kiffin has team option years as well.

I didn't read the article, but she should know better......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

New system for Campbell. Wow. If he doesn't do well this year, I would figure that he'll just be another one of those highly talented qb's that never lived up to his potential. I'm biting my nails already.

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 11, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm just watching some of the video of Zorn's interview on Redskins.com, man his haircut suits his name doesn't it! All we need now is to get him some silver forearm guards and a cape!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

He coached more positions on O then did Zorn.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 01:39 AM

Of course Zorn actually played football for years and years and years. So he probably had a little head start on Andy in that regard.

Posted by: RedBee | February 11, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

kost,

Nice vision of Zorn. I may never see him the same again after you put that up. Sally Jenkins with her usual knee-jerk, instinct-driven hatred this morning referred to his "curry-comb haircut." I have no idea what she's talking about. I guess it's a girl thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a Zornutopia of wins this season.

What flavor kool-aid are you drinking?

Zorn!

(what's wrong with our team??)

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

What a joke Jenkins is.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

My problem with Jenkins is that her agenda-driven writing causes her to lose sight of reality. The story she wrote prior to this one was just so poorly researched. Its sad that she's let herself become this...

I'm happy with Zorn, hopefully people can give him a chance to get his feet wet prior to passing judgement on him. Like that will ever happen.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Jenkins serves a purpose. This silly column that she put up this morning makes most of us on RI appear brilliant and insightful.

She writes that "Perhaps Tom Cruise wanted to be sure he was free of Thetan bodies." Or that "Snyder was going to name himself head coach, and while he was at it, change the name of the team to the Redskyns."

When we write that sort of foolishness here on RI, Cindy won't even consider it for that "brilliant insight of the day" feature in the print edition. And, it doesn't ever draw a "LMAO." Okay, maybe once in a while if the public schools have let out early.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"Perhaps Tom Cruise wanted to be sure he was free of Thetan bodies."

"Snyder was going to name himself head coach, and while he was at it, change the name of the team to the Redskyns."

TA, this is the stuff I'm talking about. She's allowed herself to get to be so bitter and angry that she's resorting to stuff like this. I mean, why allow yourself to become so jaded...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I am so happy that it is not Fassel. NY sports talk show The Fan was all over Dan this morning. Talking about how wrong he did Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

The Fan was all over Dan this morning. Talking about how wrong he did Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 08:24 AM


It wasn't Dan's fault. Tom Cruise said he was full of Thetan bodies. Dan had no choice.

--Sally Jenkins

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I am not thrilled with the pick so much as I'm relieved that this ridiculous roller-coaster-ride search is over without hiring Mora or Fassell or Mariucci as our coach.

Somehow I am more excited about Zorn than I was about any of those lukewarm retreads.

Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

More indications the dink and dunk offense may be back:
Q: What did he say about Jason Campbell?
A: Given several opportunities, Zorn didn't exactly heap praise on Campbell, not like he did with Clinton Portis and Antwaan Randle El and the coaching of Joe Bugel. Campbell better be ready to get some serious quarterback coaching from Zorn and whomever becomes the new offensive coordinator.

If we connect the dots on the QB picture, it looks disturbing (unless you're a fan of the #8 car):

1) Brunell was almost traded to Seattle in the preseason last year, which means QB coach Zorn in all likelihood signed off on this (it was the Redskins that pulled out at the last minute when they weren't comfortable with rookie Palmer as a backup).
2) Jim Zorn was a left-handed QB just over 6 feet tall, just like Brunell.
3) Brunell's strength is the short passing game, which the West Coast offense is based on.
4) Jason Campbell's strength is the vertical passing game, which isn't what the West Coast offense is based on.
5) Todd Collins's strength - knowing Al Saunder's 750 page playbook - is worthless with both Al Saunders and his offense gone.
6) Brunell's biggest advocate may no longer be head coach, but as a consultant Joe Gibbs' opinion will still carry a lot of weight.

Posted by: godiva2 | February 11, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

You can't spell Fassel without F. Good riddance, dude. Had a month to seal the deal and didn't. Don't let the door hit you in the assel on your way out.


jm220, I betcha dollars to doughnuts that the same dudes in NY bashing Snyder for "doing Fassel wrong" would have mocked him if he'd hired this retread nothing.


As for the curry comb comment, I guess Zorn's hairdo reminds Sally of a horse's mane? Which is weird on a lot of levels.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I think that Zorn allows us to imagine, or fantasize, about an upside potential. The others all seem to have reached their level of incompetence. Zorn is a book where we don't know the ending: the others all ended sadly. We may be wrong about Zorn, and the others, but we can dream for a while.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

godiva2,

That's the same post you put up yesterday. Boring.

Look, Brunnel, Campbell, and some other dude will all have a chance to prove what they can do in Zorn's offense on the playing field, and the best one will be the starter. That's how the NFL works.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

fossil is on mike and mike.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Nate these are the same people that were crushing Eli. Now have nothing but praise for him. He is still a OK qb nothing more.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

He paid tribute to an assistant the team recently fired.

I don't see why people are making a big deal about this. There is nothing wrong with giving praise where it is do. He had nothing to do with Williams being fired and it was a great call by Williams. I like that Zorn paid tribute to the call.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have details on whose contracts have been restructured + how? Or are these just rumors at this point? What does the team have to announce?

Posted by: tjc_commerce | February 11, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The Fan is a joke.....by design.....I do love me some Joe Bedingo though....

Heard Larry Michael on Sirius NFL this AM....wow that dude is a walking talking point!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zorn rulz
Vindanity drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey washington post blog, post this!!!

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Once again frustration masters me.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

WaPo reported that Thrash has already restructured, and that the team was working with Brunell (!), Springs (good luck), Jansen, Wynn, and Phillip Daniels...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012901477.html

Posted by: zornskins | February 11, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't Andre Carter already restructured...and a few others...jansp reported last week some people...but he probably just fabricated that. Right Barno?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Springs is an issue. Restructing generally gives the player more garunteed $$. Last year was more of a pay cut. Springs showed what he can do.

I know there are plenty of Madden GMs that think once your over 30 and have any injury you should be let go. Bangkokben says, NOT SO!

Jansen, Wade, and Thomas will be fine this year too. Not that we can't start looking for down the road.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey Zornskins,

Why did that article say we were trying to improve on a 5-11 record what year is that from or did JLC make another error.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 11, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben, I remember what you remember, that what Springs refused last year was a pay cut, and rightfully so.

I agree with you that restructuring his deal to be more cap-friendly *should* be a no-brainer on both sides. He entered the '07 season as our best corner, and he will enter the '08 season as our best corner.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about Zorn so much as Snyder and Cerrato's involvement with him. I don't believe they are looking for him to be a "fall guy." They want him to succeed, but just like dad still hovers and worries after he gives his son the keys to the family car, what will Daniel Snyder do if the team goes 0-2?

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Vinny was just on the DOC show I liked the interview he did not duck any of the questions explained the reasoning for the search taking so long the main point being they had to wait for Spags. He explained the front office structure it will still be run with everyone getting input so no one person has final say, although I would imagine Danny would break any tie. I am glad he actually came out and did some talking at least we no something of how this is working. He told DOC he would come on anytime.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 11, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

That article is a year old!

Not that 'salary cap crunch/contract restructuring time' isn't Groundhog Day for us...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"There is no Dana, only Zorn!"

Congratulations on finally picking (sorta) your new head coach.

You'll probably never know whether 'the process' they supposedly followed was perfect or imperfect, and it doesn't really matter anyway as it hardly determines the success or otherwise of the coach selected - that's why they play the games.

Welcome to the age of Zorn.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The hiring of Zorn seems to have eliminated a bunch of posters from last week, as well as seems to have calmed the "chicken littles" of the blog....for the time being anyway.

I'm sure the next "sky is falling" issue people will take up is that Campbell wont be successful in this offense...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I think he will be fine in the offense I like the fact that Zorn realized that Jason looks like he is taking a dump when he is behind center I always thought that was wierd.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see that most of the negativity has subsided for the time being. I haven't been posting lately due to all of the incessant bashing that's been going on lately. Brings me down, man.....brings me down.
All hail Zorn! We now have our coach for the future. As usual, I only see the upside here. He turned Matt-freakin-Hasselback into a Super Bowl QB (they really should have won that game), so imagine what he can do with Campbell. As for anyone who is afraid that the West Coast Offense plays away from Campbell's "downfield" strenghts/style, I wouldn't worry too much. You can't just say WCO and assume it's going to look like a dink/dunk offense. Each team that runs the WCO runs it pretty differently than the next. Look at the Eagles and Packers......they throw a TON of deep balls. Remember the original WCO; Montana to Rice for 70, Montana to Taylor for 90? Montana to Taylor for another 92? The only real difference in philosophy is that you may take a short pass rather than a run.....it does NOT mean you ignore the deep throws. I think Zorn should be smart enough to tailor the playcalling to what will be good for Jason, and he won't be handcuffed by anyone who is too conservative. Our defense should remain strong as well, with hopes of drafting or picking up a serious pass rusher.

Oh wait....what am I saying? Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!! I must be some sort of "Danbot"....GASP!!! Obviously this Zorn character is just a puppet for the idiot owner and Vinny. If he can't get the team colors right, how can he coach our beloved team?!?!?!?! They should have hired Greg Williams- WAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! The whole thing was a joke; now we are the laughinig stock of the league - my buddy who is a giants fan says so, and they he is happy we hired a guy who was only a qb coach. Waaaaahhhhh!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Asked about the daily fires a head coach has to put out -- which often distract from the actual job of coaching -- Zorn said: "I'm hoping I don't have to put out every fire."

"I'm hoping there are going to be enough people in place in a supportive role that they can put out the fire before it gets to me," Zorn said. "Because I want to coach. I'm not here for fluff. I want to lead and I want to motivate."

What is fluff. Leading involves massaging ego's. He sounds like an expectant parent. I still want to have fun after the twins are born. I don't know how he is going to do everything, QB, head babysitter, and GM, media and PR.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm mul. People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I enjoy ice cream and a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me I have an I.Q. of 48 and that I am considered mentally retarded.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

au contraire! Campbell had better figure this one out...or he's GONE!

He ran it successfully at Auburn, remember.

And if Cowher does come in 09...He's toast anyway!

Going into year ? of the Jason Campbell experiment...We are quickly leaving inconclusive and fast approaching BUST.

And it's NOT for a lack of skill or ability mind you...It's an intellect issue.

Posted by: dbussjd | February 11, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"I'm hoping there are going to be enough people in place in a supportive role that they can put out the fire before it gets to me," Zorn said.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 10:01 AM

Right. The problem is that, in too many organizations, the ones who are paid to put the fires out are actually the ones lighting them. Not saying the Redskins are like that. But I'm not saying they aren't--starting at the top.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Boy Greg, you're spiky today!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Can post now?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Anyone here Fassel on the radio this morning? I kind of feel bad for him. Zorn seems extremely green compared to Fassel . . .

Posted by: jrickard | February 11, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

We are quickly leaving inconclusive and fast approaching BUST.

Care to elaborate on this? Or was this pulled out of your spincter?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

It just sounds like Zorn want to trust the other coaches to handle their business. If not then he will step in.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

RC, just don't have a lot of patience for certain people. That and its about 3 friggin degrees out, so I'm a little cranky....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I love the RI blog optimism, but people like b-ben wanting to hold on to Jansen (ridiculous major injuries several years in row) foot almost twisted off the leg bone , Wynn (was cut last year- this is just bad info), Daniels (bad ankle every other game, little production) are kidding themselves. The O-line was held together by bailing wire and chewing gum last season, why in the heck would we go for that again and "hope" for different results?

And Chris Larry loving Randy Thomas coming off two major injuries (lost him in the layoff run of 2005, and most of this year) due to major injury. It's just not reality and not a winning strategy to rely on older players with significant injury history. Many, many players like Jansen, Thomas, they simply don't come back the same from huge knee, ligament and shoulder blowouts. They can provide vetran depth if they realize they are not starters anymore, but can't tie up starter money. We need youth on both lines. It a violent game in which major injuries to ball and socket/joints are 50-50 in terms of full recovery. It is likley that Rogers will never be the same player at CB. Thats why the average career is so short.

We need youth. Randle El doesn't scare anyone as a second WR. Betts is not a feature back either. They are both making truckloads of money. If we are going to suffer under Zorn teaching everyone the West Caost offense, let's rebuild all the way.

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Cheese n' crackers, I better get to it or I will once again be censured by the BLOG.

What do the hampster think of Jasno's indication in the chat that the 'skins will be drafting defensively and picking up personnel on the offensive side through trades/FA?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It just sounds like Zorn want to trust the other coaches to handle their business. If not then he will step in.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 10:10 AM

Hey, cut that out; what are you , a Danbot? If you don't have anything mean to say, don't say it. Sarcasm off.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"And it's NOT for a lack of skill or ability mind you...It's an intellect issue."

Getting dangerously close to a third rail assumption there.....dude has learned 6 systems in 8 years...but he is dumb right?


Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I figure when you're supporting a team you need "a big tent", so sometimes you have to let people have their say. Although if I did likewise I'd be over on Phinfever posting "they done Cam wrong" every 5 minutes!

It's a whopping 16F down here in Ashburn, so we're waaaay better off than you are! :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Evil Monster -

Have you noticed that we are treading Player DNA with the Jets and coach DNA with Seattle.
We just switched QB coaches and reports say maybe RB coaches.

As for negativity what more is there to say. A lot of people did not want to go back to the days of the 'Ball coach' but that is exactly were we are at. I have not had one blogger explain to me why Vinny is the GM and thats a good thing.

Some people have stated that its Vinny's team so at least we have someone to blame if things go well or poorly. Now even that is not clear.

I have not had one blogger explain why having a meddling owner (Dan) is a good thing. T_E said Dallas made it to the playoffs this year.

I do get a lot of Zen BS about "how do you know" and overlooking of many many many short comings.

So Zorn is the Coach so we will see. If you took a pole and did not include the DanBots which were all up in here yesterday I don't think you would find much optimism over the next 3-5 years. If Dan sold the team 99 percent of redskin fans would be very very happy.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I believe its possible to be pro Zorn and anti vindanity...

but hey I am a weird dude....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Trying to see positives here, and not in the sarcastic way Sally J suggested (and helpfully demonstrated for us).

But it did rankle me just a little bit when Zorno said something about leaving the D entirely to Blache and co. I seem to remember one of the hallmarks of Spurrier's dismal reign was not paying any mind to the D, to the extent that he didn't even know some of the players' names. I hope Zorn is not planning that kind of extreme hands-off approach.

But I'm splitting hairs. Very coarse hairs. Hairs evocative of a horse's mane. Hairs you need a currycomb to split.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

T_E said Dallas made it to the playoffs this year.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 10:15 AM

I did say that. And, I'm sticking by it! Want me to get you a link to prove it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

RC, its the people who post, "Campbell is becoming a bust" and "Betts isn't a feature back" that grind my gears. Mostly because it so illogical. Funny, when Portis went down in 06, and Betts became the feature back, he rushed for what 1100 yards in 8 games? I know I'm sort of basing my point of view on crazy things called FACTS....I'm probably a dan-bot, whatever the bleep that is...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

It's -8 here so stop your bicting.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Seriously did anyone hear fassel this morning on the radio? Snyder has to be having some buyers remorse . . . not only can he speak, but he seems like he would have the "management" aspect of coaching down as opposed to zorn.

Posted by: jrickard | February 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It's -8 here so stop your bicting.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 10:20 AM

Does that make you JM212 now then?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Greg, apparently if you don't have anything mean to say, then you are a Danbot. Watch out, or mul will hit you with his ten foot poll.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see the Pro Bowl yesterday. Did the NFC do the 10-man defense thing on the first play?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see the Pro Bowl yesterday. Did the NFC do the 10-man defense thing on the first play?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:33 AM

You're kidding, right? This got Gregg Williams fired. No one wanted to take a chance.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"The comment by Zorn that the center needs to get his azz up so that JC can be more explosive was highly illuminating! ..."

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 10, 2008 08:35 PM

Sounds like the stuff that's going to be illuminated resides in Rabach's crotch.

http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2007/08/04/rabach-has-big-balls-just-ask-jansen/

Blog rules would preclude me from lifting text from that article. I'm just saying, its going to get tight up there ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

DanBots are people who work for Dan. They come out when things are not going well.

They only say bad things about former players , coaches, and fans who make death threats (which I don't approve of) and boycotts.

They put .... and caps in there long messages, blame media for every screw up VinnyDan makes. If you go to a political web sight they sound like the BS there. They write little pressers and post them up here.

They are very real. They are watching us now (boo!). I can be bought cheap.

"Gibbs approves of everything, Zorn is the next Reid and/or Gibbs"

The biggest lie the Danbots played on the world is to fool the world into thinking Danbots are just make believe.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Doubt if anybody noticed, but I've long since taken Old School's approach to the draft as my approach to the head coaching search ... it doesn't matter who it is, as long as its the right guy (with a reservation for 20/20 hindsight).

From the stuff Springs said about no-nonsensism and hard work, sounds like there is enough "tough love" in the mix. Won't find out for sure till someone challenges him in a way that crosses the line and gets doghoused (or fired). Also, will be interesting to find out where the "line" is with Zorn.

I subscribe to the theory that Zorn probably was the least threatening to Vinny Cerrato. We'll see how far Coach Zorn's fabled candor, honesty, no nonsense gets him as his working relationship develops with the FO.

I also read about how Zorn wants to talk with EVERY guy on the roster over the next few days. Seems quite ambitious (maybe an overshot). Seems like direct talks with the starters plus about ten rotators should be sufficient.

Biggest concern to me would be the playbook, i.e., getting one written ... which makes the OC search (which now has to compete with the Combine) way way important.

Its going to be a rough and wild ride for Coach Zorn, esp. at first ... not only facing a 90 degree learning curve (screw asimtotes approaching infinity, such as), but also dealing with THIS front office AND making it up as he goes along as a head coach ... at the SAME TIME as losing whatever connection he's had with his kids. Sure hope that Mrs. Zorn is an energetic and forgiving wife, and that his kids are football fans.

I am prepared to forgive a 0-5 (maybe 0-6) start ... and it won't necessarily be players, but rather figuring out what the new offense will be. Just need to go 3-3 in the Division, win all of December, and half of November.

That said, I'm glad that it seems like the Skins might actually have a coach with whom they can start building something long term. Let's hope the Skins can become like the Steelers in terms of the average tenure of a head coach.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Good readers, I present to you, as the previously unheralded (and probably completely unnecessary) role as the self- appointed Redskins Insider Emoticon Mime, the play of My Reaction To Reading About The Zorn Hire In The Washington Post Yesterday Morning, in 7 parts.

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Posted by: FlimFlam | February 11, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see the Pro Bowl yesterday. Did the NFC do the 10-man defense thing on the first play?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:33 AM

You're kidding, right? This got Gregg Williams fired. No one wanted to take a chance.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:40 AM

I thought the Seahawks were the NFC coaches yesterday ... I'm pretty sure The Owner can't fire Holmgren from coaching a league game.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Only 82 here at 10:40 pm.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

bangkokbastard, dambyou! I saw a dog stuck to a hydrant here (DC) this morning!

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

LMGO FlimFlam!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Why on earth does the team hate Ernest Byner so much?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Looks like a few people have the case of the Mondays...

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I saw a dog stuck to a dog here to and king cobra crossing the street.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

sween--

I think Green Bay was coaching, vs. San Diego. And I'm sure that, for a price, the Owner could make anyone's life miserable.

What I don't get about the owner is just how deep are his pockets? None of his business interests, aside from the 'Skins, is doing well lately, and Six Flags looks like it's seriously on the ropes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Can we hire Old School as GM or HC?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

The HOF game promises to be a cosmic joke. Everyone will watch to see what Zorn has done with the team, and Peyton's gonna run up the score on us. Then Zorn will take the blame for the team losing, the Chicken Littles will come out in force, and no one will consider the fact that we're playing against Peyton FREAKING Manning and the Colts, arguably one of the best teams in the NFL (even if they did choke in the postseason this year). My head hurts already.

RE: the Zorn hire - anticlimatic. I wish him the best of luck, but I can't help but think that he will end up being a fall guy. Maybe if he had been the OC first (for more than 2 weeks during the offseason), and then promoted to HC, he'd have a better chance. Unfortunately, with the Danny as his boss, if he doesn't at least take us to the playoffs next year he'll be searching for a quarterbacks coach job this time next year, if not sooner. I actually feel bad for the guy. He's got a lot of energy, and is all fired up, but he's also been set up to lose and lose big. Heck, I feel sorry for just about any coach hired or player signed by Danny and Vinny(excepting Archibingus and Receiver, The). Over the past 10 years this franchise has chewed up and spit out several players who went on to bigger and better things after leaving the Redskins, and produced more washed-up quarterbacks than a locker room shower.

I'm glad the coaching search is over so we can begin the offseason, but as far as the actual season goes, I'm with Luke Skywalker and Han Solo - "I have a bad feeling about this..."

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm guessing paying mind to D is something Zorn will be able to catch up to by midseason too. Spurrier came here with all the confidence of an Ole Ball Coach powered by good old God and a Bible. I'm sensing that Zorn recognizes some of his limitations as a head coach ... and the need to keep at least half the team on board with "continuity". Few on the roster really know this guy, much less the coaches. He'll play plenty mind to the D, including when to throw the red flag when the Skins are on D, but his plate is a little full right about now. I'm willing to hold off on comparing him to Spurrier. Its going to be up to veteran players to keep the team "led" in a unified way for a while. Also, I was pleased to read that Zorn worked with Danny Smith when they were in Detroit together.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Why can i only post jibba jabba? BTW, did I mention with the humidity the heat index is 88 - at 10:45 PM.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

D WTF! That just made me sick
Redcoat the only time I go down in weight is Ramadan. By the end I am anywhere between 205-210.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

WaPo reported that Thrash has already restructured, and that the team was working with Brunell (!), Springs (good luck), Jansen, Wynn, and Phillip Daniels...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012901477.html


Posted by: zornskins | February 11, 2008 09:28 AM

The date on this article is Jan 2007. Hence before the last season- speaking of the previous season which we were 5-11.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

No way Peyton plays in the HOF game.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

bang, thanks for the updates on the weather, I hope you stub your toe....

jaradel, I'm not sure how much playing time Manning will see in the first pre-season game of the year?? A drive, at most is what I'd say, he'd play. Not like he needs the reps...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh - one other thing - Have I missed something here about Jason Campbell? Why is the general consensus that he's intellectually deficient, all of a sudden? Is it Todd Collins' whirlwind 5 weeks at the end of the season? Collins knew that offense inside and out after studying it for what, 7 to 10 years? Campbell had it for two, and I get the distinct impression that Saunders didn't care to spend a whole lot of time teaching it to him. I say, give Campbell time to learn whatever offense Zorn will install, and give him a chance to really show what he's got, before we label him as mentally incompetent. Remember, this time last year, Campbell was practically the Second Coming. We're almost as bad as Giants fans when it comes to skewering our QB.

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

jm220, sorry about that ... found that on steinberg's bog ... I could keep the revulsion to myself, some things are too precious not to share ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

If its any consolation. The pipes broke and I was without water for six hours today. Sidewalk caved in over the pipes.

Note to blog: jibba jabba - therefore postable.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

No way Peyton plays in the HOF game.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 10:54 AM

Now if Jim Sorgi lights you up - BIG problems! :)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh - one other thing - Have I missed something here about Jason Campbell? Why is the general consensus that he's intellectually deficient, all of a sudden?

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 10:58 AM

If you look Jaradel you'll see that only one person keeps posting those remarks.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

jaradel, its a matter of adjusting your personal expectations for the team based on reality ... something that tends to be very difficult for the homeric bleeders of burgundy and gold. the main thing is that the roster is essentially intact and under contract. the real teeth gnashing from the chickenlittlers will happen when some of the starters from the class of march 2004 (the very beginning of Gibbs 2.0) get released (traded or cut), e.g., Cornelius and/or Marcus and/or Springs and/or [who else am I missing?]

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Jaradel,

Racism pure and simple or bigotry toward southern people. Take your pick.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Why is the general consensus that he's intellectually deficient, all of a sudden?

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 10:58 AM

I thought it was only one poster who raised this. Hard to describe it as a "general consensus." I think we're all still pretty smitten with his potential, but we're hoping he realizes more of it soon.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I was just searching the web for articles on WCO QB coaches, to make myself dive head first into the Zorn administration. I found this interesting article on Pat Shumur QB coach for the egles. He seems to me a potential for the OC gig here.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/zillgitt/2005-02-02-zillgitt_x.htm

Posted by: mdvj | February 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I was mostly kidding about absentee-coaching the D, sween.

Somewhat vexed by the height-of-the-center's-butt/"snap clearance" issue. Should we ping the currently licensed provider of cleats to see about getting Rabach some lifts?

Good that he is acquainted with Danny Smith. That gives him a leg up, right there. You can't outspecial Danny Smith.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

So continuing the weather-related jibba jabba Nate, are you freezing in the PDX today?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I wonder whether Heyer could snap the ball ... the guy has to have some of the longest shanks/highest hips in football. Actually, my sense is that his success so far has been do to the fact he has such a high center of gravity and major leg strength. If he were snapping the ball, Jason might need to stand on tip toes.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh wait....what am I saying? Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!! I must be some sort of "Danbot"....GASP!!! Obviously this Zorn character is just a puppet for the idiot owner and Vinny. If he can't get the team colors right, how can he coach our beloved team?!?!?!?! They should have hired Greg Williams- WAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! The whole thing was a joke; now we are the laughinig stock of the league - my buddy who is a giants fan says so, and they he is happy we hired a guy who was only a qb coach. Waaaaahhhhh!!!!
Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 09:55 AM


Hey, that's "Sarcasm," right? Thank you. It livens up the board because, y'know, us slow guys get the mental exercise of trying to decipher what is real and what is someone cleverly using our words and thoughts against us by pretending to agree, or showing empathy. It really is a clever way of cleverly showing how clever you are without attacking our views directly. You should "patent" this sacasm before someone gets the bright idea to use it for other purposes, oh, I don't know, say in politics?

Posted by: corkczar | February 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Not too cold, and relatively dry, here for the past few days, Redcoat. All in all, quite pleasant for February in Portland. Knock wood.

So you're saying it's cold, eh? Any precip? I don't have the link to the snowcam handy...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

No precip Nate, just chill-you-to-the-bone cold! Think it may have warmed up to 18F now, hurrah!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I guess Dorf was right; a lot of people seem to be cranky this morning.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

151 days.

Posted by: saltynuts | February 11, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It appears Coach Zorn earned quite a bit of love from Big Media in Seattle ...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/280211.html

... will be a slightly different gaggle he will face here.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Not yet below 80 but the forcast low is 77, I'll keep the A/C on for y'all.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Mul,

Who cares how people would feel about Dan selling the team IT IS NOT HAPPENING you idiot stop wasting your breath. We know you are a football genius and that if you owned the team we would win the superbowl every year but guess what you dont.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Ben, you're using up your goodwill pretty fast today....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Whoops sorry guys. As many politely pointed out that was the wrong post (1 yr old).
Anyway last week Jasno reported that A. Carter, ARE, and Randy Thomas restructured, with Cooley maybe next and several others also expected. So far they saved $8 MM so not $20 over but $12 although I guess you have to leave some room for draft picks + any new blood.

It is alarming (maybe) that this is an annual affair...for penance I will find a summary of where other teams stand as I have been wondering about that.

Posted by: zornskins | February 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey, that's "Sarcasm," right? Thank you. It livens up the board because, y'know, us slow guys get the mental exercise of trying to decipher what is real and what is someone cleverly using our words and thoughts against us by pretending to agree, or showing empathy. It really is a clever way of cleverly showing how clever you are without attacking our views directly. You should "patent" this sacasm before someone gets the bright idea to use it for other purposes, oh, I don't know, say in politics?

Posted by: corkczar | February 11, 2008 11:08 AM

Hey, I appreciate the feedback. Sorry if you feel like I attacked your views.

By the way, that was more clever sarcasm.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

In greater downtown Pylesville, the temperature is a balmy 12 degrees, not that anyone would care.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 11, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

zornskins, every other NFL team is under the cap. The closest the others have gotten is about $4-5M under.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

They want him to succeed, but just like dad still hovers and worries after he gives his son the keys to the family car, what will Daniel Snyder do if the team goes 0-2?

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 09:41 AM


Hopefully Joe calls them up and reminds them that he started out 0-5.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Is that in the Inner City or just the suburbs Mark?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

My 2 cents:

Hate ferrets and Ann Coulter too - wanted to punt the ferret that bit me but his owner intervened - funny, he didn't ask me out again (the owner, not the ferret). I'd punt Coulter if I had the chance.

On the highway to hell too since I'm for Obama.

Don't care what Zorn wore to the presser (presser? sheesh).

Didn't realize a center's butt should be higher - I'm more worried about mine dropping lower.

I like JC and don't get those who thought TCollins was the second coming. TC is ancient in football years so there's nothing to build on. JC has potential - a lot more potential than anyone we've had at QB in recent memory.

Hate Danny and Vinny even more so (which I didn't think possible) since they're f-ing with Byner.

Guess that was more like my 7 cents (not much more though cuz of the recession).

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 11, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The only summary I could find on salary cap is here (yes, I checked the date) - from Dec 2007 - maybe someone knows a more recent source?

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp

Slightly depressing that division rivals are so far under the cap. At least we know Philly won't spend the money, but both Giants and Cowgirls at $20 MM under is not great for Redskins.

Posted by: zornskins | February 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What's going on with Byner?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

zornskins, this is an annual event for us, paring back old contracts to comply with the next season's cap and make some room for new dudes.

I think we all agree that it seems like we would have more flexibility to retain guys we want to keep and to sign free agents if we weren't always bumping up against the cap. But I am happy we "spend to the cap" every season, since it at least appears to show our commitment to... something.

It all comes down to making the right personnel decisions and then putting the players in position to succeed (I think that part is called 'coaching). Salary cap is incidental to that, just a paperwork obstacle to be cleared, if I understand how our front office sees it.

-Cap'n Obvious

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Inner City, Suburbs, it is all the same in Pylesville.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I will be carrying my butt high today.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Way to 'coach' up the blog on our team's salary cap philosophy. We are commited to maxing it out.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Maybe i'm thinking too far ahead, but what if Zorn finishes 7-9 or better?

Next year Cowher will be available. Would snyder/vinny fire a 1st year coach who had done reasonably well to go after the big fish? or would he stick with his guy?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Who is the little guy in the chair next to Zorn in the profootballtalk.com page? I get that he is supposed to represent Dr. Evil, but I would think it would have been -$nyder...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

What's going on with Byner?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:28 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Also, though Earnest Byner did in fact go to Redskins Park to sign his contract last week - the one-year offer that was on the table - league sources said the team then balked at him. The Redskins are trying to land Seattle RB Coach Stump Mitchell to do that job here, league sources said, and he too is close to Zorn and has worked with him for many years. The Redskins would like to convince the Seahawks to do a coaching swap of sorts, with Byner landing in Seattle (all of this, again, is ridiculously unfair to Byner,) with Mitchell going here and Byner going there.

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 11, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Previous post came from JLC's blog post this weekend.

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 11, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

LMAO! Oh that is funny

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Actually, he's supposed to be Mini Me, and I have no idea who that is.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

This Byner stuff -- is any of it real news or is it all the usual RI "according to league sources" and "sources close to Byner"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Although "Maroon, and black and yellow" still makes me LOL, I found some of Zorn's other comments funny as well:

His calling the 10 man defense tribute "awesome" and praising the WaPo.

-$nyder and Co., will quickly let him know that the only "fair, balanced, and accurate" media are XXX Radio (owned by him), extremeskins.com (owned by him), Washington Times (probably trying to get control of), and WRC 4 (controlled by him through George "Other people are saying..." Michael.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

What you says is right Nate, but the biggest impact of being just ducking under the cap every year is that it gives you zero flexibility to course-correct.

If you're always at (really over) the cap you can't cut people you would really like to (see Receiver, The) or fill positions of need with anyone other than those who will "work for food" (sadly see Stoutmire, Omar).

The Skins got very lucky with Pete Kendall last year in that he wasn't going to be allowed to go to an AFC team (Miami and KC I think had chased him for ages) and he was cheap enough that you could afford him, but that won't happen every year.

There's a lot of discussion about your aging roster, yet the contracts they carry - or even will carry after restructuring - make it ever harder for you to offload them as the accelerating cap hit makes that hard to do.

By no means do I think the sky is falling for you guys, but I do think you've lost a lot of negotiating options with the approach you've taken.

I have one question: if the Redskins cap strategy is so much smarter than everyone else's why doesn't any other team copy it?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Right, Mini-Me!. Thanks, PDiddy. Got my wanna be world dominators mixed up.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Here is hoping that the Zorn hire works out. Let's face it, both Danny and Vinny need this to work. Their un-orthodox style of interviewing and waiting and hiring the coordinators first has been the laughingstock of the league. I am hoping that after all of the beatdowns they take from this that they will have the last laugh. While I did not want Fassel, I felt bad for how things ended for him. I liked Spags but wondered how the current defensive staff that was already in place would mesh with him. I still wonder how Zorn will be able to get all of these guys to give everything they have each week. That was what Gibbs brought. I watched the Skins sleepwalk through the end of the Spurrier seasons. I just hope we don't go back to that. It seems like Zorn would be a good fit. The part that I worry about is the drafting. The drafting has to pick up a bit. If it doesn't, they could hire Jesus and still have the same record.

Posted by: joparks | February 11, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The drafting has to pick up a bit. If it doesn't, they could hire Jesus and still have the same record.

Posted by: joparks | February 11, 2008 11:51 AM

I think that Jesus at least got to choose his own coordinators and assistant coaches.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Well I guess if the Byner stuff is true that really sucks. If it isn't true, why isn't he signed yet?

IMHO withdrawing a previously offered contract speaks to poor business ethics. I suppose I'd better get ready to be bashed now for saying that...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

RC,
"IMHO withdrawing a previously offered contract speaks to poor business ethics."

Concur.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Gotta put an extra blanket on tonight as the Mrs. has the A/C down cold.

Tuesday here.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I have one question: if the Redskins cap strategy is so much smarter than everyone else's why doesn't any other team copy it?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 11:47 AM

The teams with money are copying it. They just did not make as many mistakes 2003-2006. The skins got a lot of good FA in the first two years of Gibbs 2.0. Because other teams are copying this usually it is the un-happy players that go to FA (Moss). Happy players often re-due the contracts the year before they get to FA a-la Cooly.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Gotta put an extra blanket on tonight as the Mrs. has the A/C down cold.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 12:05 PM

There's a fine line between being informative and "rubbing it in" Ben.... :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

To me it seems like this cap thing could be coming to a head (in a bad way). They've successfully worked the numbers each year to free up enough space to get the business done, but the maneuverability seems to get more and more limited each year. Where would we be if Martyball hadn't completely purged the roster back in 01? There was serious talk 2 years ago around the almost-strike, that if they didn't raise the cap totals, the Skins would have needed another purge. Our payroll just seems to go up and up. 20 million over is a LOT. They will probably work around it again this year, but we will be screwed if we need to pickup anyone mid season (or even training camp) due to injury. If Zorn sticks around, he may have to work with a team that gets cut in half, talent/money wise a-la the 01 Skins. Someone call Tony Banks.........

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 Reasons Redskins hired Jim Zorn:

10. Snyder thought he was hiring Dave Krieg

9. Apparently league rules dictate someone must be head coach

8. Team offered job to candidates in alphabetical order

7. He did such a great job in his two weeks as offensive coordinator

6. His blood runs maroon and black -- oops, burgundy and gold

5. Seemed most convincing when uttering team slogan: "Absolutely, Mr. Snyder"

4. Showed commitment by sticking face in freezer to emulate Tom Coughlin

3. Redskins wanted to make decision before start of Westminster Dog Show

2. Known for working well with free agent busts

1. Edged out Coach Janky Spanky

Posted by: jontp007 | February 11, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

RC, I believe that Ben passed rubbing it in, a while back....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't always look at signatures when I read the posts, so I guess that I missed that only one person was repeatedly calling JC's intelligence into question. I personally have faith that he can pick up the WCO, having played a version of it in college, and make the necessary adjustments to his technic to be the QB this team needs. I think the problem under Saunders was that Saunders wasn't much of a teacher - he expected the players to get the offense via osmosis, I guess - and was probably peeved that his Golden Boy, Todd, would not see much play time. That, and Gibbs did hamstring him with respect to being the playcaller. Anyway... I sincerely hope the JC bashing was not based on morally repugnant racial issues. Skin color has nothing to do with intelligence, IMO. JC has always come across to me as a well-spoken, smart kid, who has shown amazing poise for someone rather abruptly thrown into a leadership position at his age. Anyone who claims that he lacks intelligence, and then justifies that claim based on his skin color, needs to go jump off a cliff somewhere - preferably in the Rockies or southwestern US, so the buzzards can pick at your bones.

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

TOP 10 Reasons Redskins hired Jim Zorn:

10. Snyder thought he was hiring Dave Krieg

9. Apparently league rules dictate someone must be head coach

8. Team offered job to candidates in alphabetical order

7. He did such a great job in his two weeks as offensive coordinator

6. His blood runs maroon and black -- oops, burgundy and gold

5. Seemed most convincing when uttering team slogan: "Absolutely, Mr. Snyder"

4. Showed commitment by sticking face in freezer to emulate Tom Coughlin

3. Redskins wanted to make decision before start of Westminster Dog Show

2. Known for working well with free agent busts

1. Edged out Coach Janky Spanky

Posted by: jontp007 | February 11, 2008 12:10 PM
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Good list--worthy of Letterman! :)

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Gotta put an extra blanket on tonight as the Mrs. has the A/C down cold.

Tuesday here.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 12:05 PM

Dude, you're from the future?!?!?! Who wins the Wizards game tonight? I need to call my bookie!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

IMHO I think -$nyder went Zorn just b/c no one else had him as a leading candidate and it was the only "surprise" left. Remember how giddy he was a few years ago with the Campbell and Collins being the co-Number 2 backups? A crazy concoction just to prove the media people wrong who said Campbell would not be the number 2 behind Brunell...

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The teams with money are copying it.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 12:07 PM

All the teams have the same amount of money to spend, or have I missed something? I know some of owners are 'cheap', but they I don't even see teams that perpetually get high draft picks for example like the Raiders or Cardinals wussing out on contracts, so that argument doesn't seem to hod water.

Again I'm not trying to throw rocks here, I genuinely don't understand.

To me, The Owner seems to view the cap like a boxer views his fighting weight, i.e. it's just an arbitrary number that you have to duck under on a certain date, even if in reality you blow right through it straight afterwards as boxers do when they rehydrate after the weigh-in.

If you maximize the "amount of talent per dollar spent" by doing it that way I can see the attraction, but there's evidence to suggest that the Redskins haven't done that.

I humbly suggest that The Owner is just in love with 'financial engineering' (being clever) and by perpetual 'debt restructuring' he's hoping that the cap will eventually rise enough to give him the wriggle room he needs but won't seek directly as that would make previous spending decisions look rash.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

IMHO withdrawing a previously offered contract speaks to poor business ethics.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:00 PM

On the face of it, yeah, but it would be nice to have some facts before making ethical judgements. Jasno is long on innuendo and short on facts up here on RI. At least it's innuendo and not in my endo.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Gotta put an extra blanket on tonight as the Mrs. has the A/C down cold.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 11, 2008 12:05 PM

Let's take up a collection to pay Ben's electric bill.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Question:

JC and Hasselback - are they the same kind of QB, other than throwing critical ints. (I think JC will grow out of that).

When Zorn as talking it just seemed like he was putting JC on notice. Saunder offense was based on timing as well but again it seemed like Zorn wanted perfect 'short' timed passes. JC is probably the wrong guy for that.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

On the face of it, yeah, but it would be nice to have some facts before making ethical judgements.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 12:18 PM

Agreed t_e, but two things:

4. If it's not true, it's easily disproven.
&. Would it really surprise you if it were true?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

On the face of it, yeah, but it would be nice to have some facts before making ethical judgements.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 12:18 PM

Agree wholeheartedly t_e, but two points:

7. If it is untrue, it's easily disproven.
$. If it is true, would you really be that surprised?

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Blasted loseable type!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Question:

JC and Hasselback - are they the same kind of QB, other than throwing critical ints. (I think JC will grow out of that).

When Zorn as talking it just seemed like he was putting JC on notice. Saunder offense was based on timing as well but again it seemed like Zorn wanted perfect 'short' timed passes. JC is probably the wrong guy for that.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 12:23 PM

Mul, from an earlier post, without the sarcasm, I think JC will be okay (just my opinion though):
"As for anyone who is afraid that the West Coast Offense plays away from Campbell's "downfield" strenghts/style, I wouldn't worry too much. You can't just say WCO and assume it's going to look like a dink/dunk offense. Each team that runs the WCO runs it pretty differently than the next. Look at the Eagles and Packers......they throw a TON of deep balls. Remember the original WCO; Montana to Rice for 70, Montana to Taylor for 90? Montana to Taylor for another 92? The only real difference in philosophy is that you may take a short pass rather than a run.....it does NOT mean you ignore the deep throws. I think Zorn should be smart enough to tailor the playcalling to what will be good for Jason, and he won't be handcuffed by anyone who is too conservative."

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

mul, you're kidding right?? Zorn, most likely talked to Campbell face to face, but you think Zorn is putting him on notice, and that despite not even having installed the offense, you can forsee that Campbell is not the guy. That is nothing short of amazing. You're like a magic 8 ball.....only more moronic...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The Mini Me face in the pft photoshop is, I think, some radio show host in Philly. If you look at ALL of the photos on the site, there is one of that guy and Andy Reid as Dr. Evil.

Also, I had a ferret as a pet growing up (before they were cool). It was great. Ferrets are naturally hypoglycemic, so it would be a ball of energy, then collapse. Good times.

Also, Ann Coulter is a skank. Gimme Laura Ingraham any day of the week. She wears a leopard skin jacket ... raaaar.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I have a moronic 8 ball on my desk too ... in response to every question, the answer is some variation of "maybe"

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Meant to write that Zorn most likely hasn't spoken with Campbell face to face....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

mul, you're kidding right?? Zorn, most likely talked to Campbell face to face, but you think Zorn is putting him on notice, and that despite not even having installed the offense, you can forsee that Campbell is not the guy. That is nothing short of amazing. You're like a magic 8 ball.....only more moronic...

Posted by: gregmarino88

Ahh these were posed as questions not statements.

That is why I put question on the post. It was for people who might have some sort of opinion based on something passing for football understanding.

If fact I did not even see the whole press conference.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

In the post-hiring comments by Hasselbeck, he remarked how, during the pre-game warm up for the playoff game, Zorn and Jason C. were chatting it up like old pals ... and Hasselbeck was a little peeved b/c he was the one who introduced the two and he usually relies on Zorn's jibba jabba during warm ups as part of his pre-game ritual.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If you didn't see the press conference how can you make the assumptions that you did?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Nate, if you're out there, then as the introductor of the term to the blog, it appears that the "preferred spelling" is J-I-B-B-E-R J-A-B-B-E-R. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jibba-jabba

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

by which I mean "jibba jabba" is the preferred spelling.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

1. I think once Dan Snyder saw the virulent anti-Fassel sentiment all over his fandom, he went looking for anyone to hire as the next Redskins coach but Jim Fassel. A shame. I like Jim Zorn. I think he's bright, I think he was overqualified to be a quarterbacks coach, and I think he will be a thoughtful coach his players will grow to like in Washington. This is not a criticism of Jim Zorn, the coach. It's more of a criticism of the decision, the process and the reaction to the candidacy of Fassel.

Fassel was fired from the Giants after seven years, with a head-coaching record of 60-56-1. That includes a 41-0 whitewashing of the Vikings in the 2000 NFC Championship Game, and a 34-7 loss to Baltimore in Super Bowl XXXV. He's never gotten another chance to be a head coach. He worked for friend Brian Billick as the Ravens' offensive coordinator before being fired with the Ravens 4-2 in 2006.

In my opinion, if Norv Turner got three chances as a head coach, and Lindy Infante, Bruce Coslet and Dave Wannstedt two, Fassel -- the only one of the five to have taken his team to a Super Bowl -- certainly deserved a second shot. The Redskins had a chance to have a winning NFC East coach (Fassel is 6-5 against Andy Reid, 8-6 against Dallas, 7-6-1 against Washington) paired with a bright and up-and-coming quarterback guru in Zorn.

Now they'll have Zorn, who has never called the plays, never coordinated an offense and never been a head coach, running the show in a media-hungry market with an owner far more involved than any Zorn's ever worked with. And they'll have a quarterback, Jason Campbell, who should have had Zorn working with him for hours a day; but a head coach can't spend hours a day with a young quarterback.

A better team would have been Fassel, experienced in the daily calamities of life in the NFC East, and Zorn. That would have been better than a rookie coach and whomever Zorn installs as his quarterback and offensive mentors.

Posted by: gregf | February 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey gregf, as I recall you are the Giants fan that loves Fassel and has been reemed on here correct? Anyways, if you are going to site second chancers you should pick some better ones than Infante (0-1 postseason), Coslet (0-1 postseason), Wannstedt (marginally better than the previous 2, and Norv who inheretted the team he has now. I understand that you are saying Fassel was a much better coach than these but the coaches you mentioned are perfect reason why retreads of any kind often don't work.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

gregf, all valid points. PLEASE come back during the season next year, esp. during the week(s) prior to Skins v. Giants. Also, ignore the @ssclowns who may bring you down ... the long timers here love the intelligent conversation about the game, esp. from other fans.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Campbell & Dcsween- I will be back next year prior to Skins vs. Super Bowl Champs Giant games next year-but Mr. Campbell-were you aware that the last 11 Coaches to win Super Bowls were on their second jobs? Zorn is a nice guy...that doesn't always translate to success(see Coughlin and Bellichick as examples)...look forward to the schedule coming out...I have a funny feeling I will be opening my schedule on a Thursday night game...that is what they have us Super Bowl Champions usually do...

PS-never done this before(posted on a adversary website)...pretty fun...especially following the Washington Redskin coaching saga..I mean search..."go maroon and black"....

Posted by: gregf | February 11, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Not saying GregF meant to claim it as his own - but his post is a total cut and paste of #1 on Peter King's Monday Morning QB Ten Things I Think.

Posted by: mmok | February 11, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Campbell-were you aware that the last 11 Coaches to win Super Bowls were on their second jobs?

Posted by: gregf | February 11, 2008 01:32 PM

Good point.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

mmok-yes..sorry about that...that is from Peter King gents..as a matter of fact, I meant to include that as I wanted to point out an objective POV instead of my warped Super Bowl Champion POV.....another correction-9 out of last 11 coaches who won Super bowl on second job...sorry-type to fast

Posted by: gregf | February 11, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

mmok-yes..sorry about that...that is from Peter King gents..as a matter of fact, I meant to include that as I wanted to point out an objective POV instead of my warped Super Bowl Champion POV.....another correction-9 out of last 11 coaches who won Super bowl on second job...sorry-type to fast

Posted by: gregf | February 11, 2008 01:39 PM

It's always nice to see someone admit their mistakes since som many on here are more than willing to pass thier BS off as original fact, usually it's neither.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

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