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Headset Conspiracies

So I'm talking to some various personnel people yesterday just trying to stay up on some things, when the conversations turns to Beli-cheat, and other forms of gamesmanship. So I mention to this one exec about how fired up Coach Joe was in recent weeks about the headsets going down in Philly and Green Bay this season, and this says that his teams has reported both of those clubs to the league for the same thing.

Seems like it's not a coincidence after all. This guy, whose team has played in Green Bay and Philly in the past two seasons, says that in both cases, at fairly critical junctures in the game, all of a sudden they lost headset communication.

"I think if you talk to teams around the league, you'll find there's definitely shenanigans going on in Green Bay and Philly," he said.

Now, to put it in perspective, as much as the offended team was upset about all of this, he said you also learn over time to brace for this kind of stuff around the league. "Everybody's got something," he said. "That's why they call it home-field advantage."

As many of you Skins fans have pointed out to me in hordes of emails and submissions during webchats, many of the people who go to games at FedEx Field are convinced the Redskins pump in fan noise through the speakers (another no-no). But, again, there seems to be a sort of acceptance of this stuff, and I'm not exactly what's considered crossing the line.

Even Belichick's stealing signs thing was met by apathy in some quarters of the NFL as kind of a time-honored tradition, while others got all tweaked about it. Where do you guys stand on this? Should you expect a totally even playing field on the road, or do you have to kind of brace for this kind of wacky stuff away from home?

Also, at the risk of getting a forearm shiver to the skull, I plan to point out to Coach Joe that the Redskins have not lost to the Pats in 35 years - a fact my boy Bram just made me aware of - and also that the Skins are the only team Tom Brady has yet to defeat. If you're a Skins fan, the perfect scenario would entail me asking Coach Joe about this today - and I'll definitely couch it in a humorous way - and then Coleman or DLD asking him about it again on Friday, when all hell could break loose.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 24, 2007; 11:18 AM ET
 
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I am the man!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Well Griese's helmet went out for the entire 97 yard game winning drive on sunday, yeah didn't help philly then...cheaters

Posted by: Uncle Spence | October 24, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

!nam eht ma I

!sniksdeR eht ot liaH

Posted by: waiting since 92 | October 24, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't this work both ways? If either team's headsets go down isn't it a rule that the other team must unplug theirs? I see this as a 'Skins advantage also. Why not just come in, have some geek on the Washington sideline jam the headset signal so the 'Pats have to abandon theirs? I know this sounds funny, but I am serious. What's the standard for having to shut down a headset when one team loses communication?

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Jason, my man, you definitely have to bring up all that patriots stuff to Gibbs. It might be the skins' only chance. Look how upset he got before the Detroit game and then look at the results. If Gibbs blood is not boiling by friday, the skins have already lost to the patriots.

Posted by: Taidg | October 24, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The way I figure it, you've gotta go in prepared for that kind of crap. Hell...maybe the signal will go out at Foxboro, and JC will have to call his own plays...we may actually win on the strength of his play-calling...

I am forever the Optimist...until Sundays...

Posted by: waiting since 92 | October 24, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Sweet, another excuse we can use to cover the fact that Jason Campbell is just a BUM and Joe Gibbs is the worst head coach in the NFL

Posted by: redskins fans | October 24, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Taidg? I think, according to most fans - not me - that the 2009 'Skins have already lost to the Patriots.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Sweet, another excuse we can use to cover the fact that Jason Campbell is just a BUM and Joe Gibbs is the worst head coach in the NFL

Posted by: redskins fans | October 24, 2007 11:28 AM

This so-called "redskins fan" needs to get laid.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

35 years?! Let's make it 36!

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey Redskins fans, I can take care of Brady for you during pre-game warmups.

I'm polishing up my crow bar right now.

Posted by: Jeff Galluli | October 24, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Jason ask him the question. I want him to get mad like he should be just like the Detroit game.

Posted by: Redskins81 | October 24, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I've heard that if the headset goes out intermittenly, the other team can still use theirs. If the headset dies, the other team must also kill theirs...is that right?

Posted by: Lisa | October 24, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY TO ASK GIBBS ABOUT THE PATS NOT BEATING US IN 35 YEARS AND GET HIM FIRED UP LIKE BEFORE THE DETROIT LIONS GAME!!!! OR WAIT ACTUALLY, ASK HIM TODAY, AND TOMORROW AND FRIDAY!!!!

Posted by: X | October 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Yeah! Ask him, dude! Do it seriously and make sure the cams are rolling. Fight! Fight! Get the dude riled up!

Posted by: charlie | October 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I thought the same thing lisa, but it seems like that rule isn't enforced.

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how a supposed Pats fan knows all the blog lingo.

Man I would love to be the thorn in the side of the Tom Brady love affair.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 24, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

***Troll Bashing***

The couch is covered in plastic 'cause your mom can't control herself when she's workin'

Good thing you got that gigantic forehead so's the light can reflect & you get all in the cracks.

Troll.

***End Troll Bashing***

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs complains after every loss about some marginal call.

"We're going to send that one up to NY."

So - now when he may really have a beef, who can take him seriously?

Tell you what, how 'bout he stop the whining and focus on his non-existent offense.

Also, I would be thrilled if he would be man enough to look at possible game-winning field goals. His players are out there busting their butts and he is on the sidelines hiding his eyes!

How did this clown win three rings? This version will never win anything close to that.

Incredible.

Posted by: GAD | October 24, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Why do we have to rely on the headsets that are given to opponents teams? Shouldn't teams bring their own headsets?

Posted by: ResQr | October 24, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

They're supposed to shut down the headsets on the other team, but if it's intermittent, they don't do it. Gibbs complained about this fact as well.

Given that it's happened multiple times, I would hope they have 1) set plays to run in that instance on hurry up, preferrably or 2) quick signing system come up w/ that day.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Just posted this in the previous thread because my headset went out and I didn't know the hand signal for "new thread"...

Man, it's been awhile since I've been in here and everyone thinks the Skins are gonna lose. I love it!

They're gonna play deep cover 2, knock the snot out of everyone in front of them and hope the offense can put some points on the board. Moss doesn't like to get hit and neither does Stallworth and the Reaper and kiL.L.er will make their presence felt early and often.

The best thing about Indy winning is that now everyone will be looking ahead to the Colts/Pats matchup. Shoot, there's already a graphic of Belichik and Dungy on ESPN.com. Not for nothing, but this is the best scenario for the 'Skins to play NE, even if it is in Foxboro.

I'm not predicting a win by any means, but if the W's were automatic then they wouldn't play the games.

Posted by: [cc] | October 24, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If one team loses communication from the sideline to the QB, the other team does NOT need to shut down their system.

If, however, one team loses communication from the sideline to the booth, the other team DOES need to shut down their system.

It's a fairly stupid distinction in the rule -- IMO, if anything goes out, the other team should be forced to shut down that same function. Or they should give the team whose sideline-to-QB communication is out an extra 5 seconds on the play clock.

Posted by: CMoney | October 24, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I never understood why the headset going out was a huge deal and not just an annoyance. Granted, it sucks to have your concentration broken when it first happens and may add some time between plays, but prepare for it and have hand signals or just send the play in with the running back. Works for every high school team in America...

Posted by: [cc] | October 24, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"The Pass" - Rush

Taidg -- absolutely. Great Gaelic name, by the way.

Posted by: Beezer (Austin, TX) | October 24, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

cc --

The advantage to using the headsets is two-fold: (1) gets the play in much quicker, which is one reason why the NFL cut the play clock down and (2) the coach can give the QB other insight or quick reminders that he otherwise couldn't (timeouts remaining, coverage keys, etc).

Posted by: CMoney | October 24, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how Skinz fans like their 'canes and make bone headed trades for them. I mean Coles for Moss and Portis for Bailey. What a joke of a Franchise. Fighting your guts out will get you whooped by my beloved Pats. Watch how we get it done and try to learn something.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

*****DIK Bashing******

I'm rubber and your glue, whatever you say to me bounces off me and stick to you....

Bring your momma out son and we can go toe to toe with the HOs.

******End Dik Bashing **************

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

That was me at 1152, sorry nerds.

Posted by: Troll | October 24, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Funny how the Pats fans show up once cheating is brought up.

I'm pretty sure the Brady bunch were against cheating so I doubt they'd like you using them as a name. Call us when you win three super bowls without cheating.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Sounds good Jasno. Please, you or one of the other reporters piss St. Joe off so maybe it will carry over to the game like it seemed to against the Lions!!!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 24, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Last time I check, those rings still belong to us. We cheat (if you can even call it that with a straight face) to win and not fight our guts out to lose.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure it would be a terrible thing for our headset to go out b/c when it did in philly, JC drove us down the field and we scored on that drive, even w/gibbs screwing up the timing at the end of the half!!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 24, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Brady is a little beotch! Everytime he is slightly touched by a D-Linemen...he immediately turns to the ref and asks for a late hit. He does it all the time. I can't wait to see Carter rip his damn head off!

Posted by: Get off Brady's nuts | October 24, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The only thing better than the Skins being 4-2 is Philly being 2-4. I love to watch them fail. For those of you who don't live in the Philly - NJ area it truly is the most amazing experience to watch comcast post game lave afer a iggles loss. They cry and whine and make excuses. They boo and rant and rave, its alot like this blog. If any of you get a chance to ever see it please do you will thank me.

Posted by: SammyBizzle | October 24, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'll say it again, call us when you win 3 SB's without cheating. We're up 3-0 at this point. Buh-bye troll.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure it would be a terrible thing for our headset to go out b/c when it did in philly, JC drove us down the field and we scored on that drive, even w/gibbs screwing up the timing at the end of the half!!

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 24, 2007 11:56 AM

Carter is not a premier rusher... wake up and smell who stinky your team is. Next year London will be too old and you're back to square one. LOL.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

They're supposed to shut down the headsets on the other team, but if it's intermittent, they don't do it. Gibbs complained about this fact as well.

Given that it's happened multiple times, I would hope they have 1) set plays to run in that instance on hurry up, preferrably or 2) quick signing system come up w/ that day.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:40 AM

I believe there was an article on here somewhere talking about how Soups and the Qb coach already work on the hand signals every week as a just in case, but it still changes the flow of you game!

Posted by: FBChick | October 24, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

*** Troll Bashing ***

You even admit that your mom is a ho. classic.

You still haven't answered the original question from yesterday - what on earth do you get out of this?? Is your life really this pathetic?

These questions are rhetorical, obviously.

*** End Troll Bashing ***

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

CMoney - I understand that, but seriously, it happens enough that they should be prepared for it and have a smooth transition when the need arises.

I like the idea that the other team should have to shut down their system until the problem is solved - makes perfect sense. And I'd bet that the headsets "miraculously" got fixed in a play or two if that were the case. But for the time being they need to suck it up and try to get a rule in place at the team meetings after the season (unless there's a way to implement it now).

It just seems like we're always caught off guard when it happens and I don't think that needs to be the case. Especially this week.

Posted by: [cc] | October 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again, call us when you win 3 SB's without cheating. We're up 3-0 at this point. Buh-bye troll.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 11:57 AM

If that helps you sleep at night, but you'll still wake up with the truth that you have a sucky team with improvement no where in sight.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

It was virtually impossible to summon up anything approaching hatred for our opponents the past three weeks... even the former division rival Cards just didn't merit the venom.

But the Patriots... oh my, they are more than deserving of our full and unmitigated hatred this week. In fact, I'd put them third in the hatability rankings for our '07 opponents, close behind Dallas and NYG and well ahead of Philly and Tampa (this is my list... I know everyone else hates Philly more than I do).

So to recap, for Patriots week it's not fear, not respect, just plain hatred.

F the Patriots, F their coach, and F the New England region as a whole.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 24, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Why would you intentionly provoke Joe Gibbs? Do you not have any self-respect? You're bringing journalism, I use that word loosely, to an all-time low.

Please report the news; don't try to manipulate the news.

You're losing fans quickly.

Seer

Posted by: Seer of the Obvious | October 24, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

It's okay Nate... hatred grows from jealousy.

NE feels not hate but pity. Why you ask?

Let's see... Nationals, Wizards, and Redskins--all mediocre teams at best. Haven't tasted and kind of real accomplishments in years.

So I have one word of advice for your sanity... RELOCATE

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hatred Rank Top 5:

Dallas
Philly
Pats
Gmen
Tampa

Tampa for that BS call that would have made us a #2 seed instead of a #6 seed in 05'.

I sleep fine at night knowing that my coach won 3 SB's fair and square, never cheated and doesn't have stories written about him like "good v evil" where he is the evil.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Uh - 'cause last time Joe was provoked we beat the snot outta Detroit.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that the regulars haven't gone anywhere... That they met up on a private blog or something and thought of new names? I am curious because there seems to be an abundance of new characters posting today.

Dik, why give the friggin' troll the satisfaction? He is a grade A, USDA certified piece of... Aghhhhh!

*sigh*

I'm not going there with a "Troll". I must practice what I preach, but sometimes... sometimes...

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Seer, the blog was happy when Joe showed some fire a couple weeks ago before the game. I think JLa was making a joke about it. Don't take it too serious.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 24, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hatred Rank Top 5:

Dallas
Philly
Pats
Gmen
Tampa

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM

It feels good to have finally won something again.

Posted by: SMACK | October 24, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone else think that the regulars haven't gone anywhere... That they met up on a private blog or something and thought of new names?"

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:07 PM

If you are really a realist, then you would have joined the regulars when they abandoned the sinking ship called Gibbs II. The regulars are probably out buying their Brady and Moss jerseys to cheer for my beloved Pats!!!

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"Where do you guys stand on this?" JASNO asks

Here's where I stand:

My state is on fire.

The reason California is aflame is no one realized a year of all timne record drought, Bark Beetles turning trees into vertical fire logs, and a Global Warming enhanced, record setting Santa Ana "perfect" windstorm could burn up half a state.

Atlanta is almost out of water. Get ready, fellas. You've got next.

Last night it was reported the State Department "lost" more than a billion dollars meant to go to Iraqi security units. Could have used that for water dropping tankers back home, y'think?

Mr. Mission Accomplished asked for $40 billion on top of the previous $190 or so billion he just arequested to continue an endless war. This comes four years after the Flightsuit President stood on a carrier in his codpiece and declared victory. An ineffective Congress will give him the money because that's what they do.


Now the same crew is trying to fool us again, this time about Iranian "WMD." If we wise up, Bush'll just bomb anyway, because that's what he does.

Darfur continues.

We lose individual rights by the bucketful every day.

Our American Hero bicycle guy, our American Hero Olympic gal, our all time home run hitter guy, the coach of the best team in the NFL, and that pitcher for Cleveland are all cheaters (allegedly).

They just cancelled my favorite show, "Viva Laughlin." Kidding! (About it being my fav. It's really cancelled,)

I'm concerned about Marie Osmond.

There are guns on the street, soot in the air, fire in the valleys, scoundrels in the suites.

The Great Savior of the Redskins has forgotten how to coach.

Your kids are sick and 10 million kids have no health care.

There's a new Superbug out there and VW has nothing to do with it.

So, I guess what I'm saying, Jasno, is I'm having a hard time getting too worked up about those nasty little helmet radio issues in Philly and Green Bay and video-cheating in New England. Especially about NE, because after four years of Joe the Coach & Schmoe the Owner, the Pats could whip the skins by two TDs even if their punishment meant they had to play the game in bikinis and leg irons.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | October 24, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

And F the Red Sox, the New England Yankees.

May the Rockies rip their hearts right out of their chests.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 24, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It feels good to have finally won something again.

Posted by: SMACK | October 24, 2007 12:11 PM

Ah a Cowboy fan... don't you have a much better team than these lowly skinz.

And, didn't we mop the floor with you when we met not too long ago.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The only way to beat NE, shut them down, they cant win if they cant score.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

CORKCZAR,

Interesting. I come to RI to escape the depression that is the world, so reading your post just made me clean my .45 and sharpen my razor blades.

Anyone know how to braid bed sheets?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate, cheering against a team? Shame on you.

Are you practicing so that you can also cheer against someone when the playoffs come and you realize that your skinz are not going to the dance?

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch (VBB) | October 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Well said corkczar. Be safe out there. I have family and friends in socal evacuated right now and the game seems a bit secondary. I'll respectfully disagree with the bikini defeat prediction.
F the fires
F W
F New England

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The only reason they lost 35 years ago was because Allen took the points off the board after kicking what would've been the winning field goal.

Posted by: Jeff | October 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CORKCZAR | October 24, 2007 12:11 PM


Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pats fan...do you know how GAY it sounds when u continually refer to them as your " beloved Pats!!"??? I mean come on...who says beloved anymore? Are we in the 1600's?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else listen to the Don and Mike show. They were talking about the double standared of Tom Brady, being a amoral womanizer, how he gets a free pass for his two basterd kids and other athleats don't.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The only way to beat NE, shut them down, they cant win if they cant score.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:16 PM

Wow... Captain Obvious has arrived. You can say that about any team and in any sport.

Posted by: VBB | October 24, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

JLC, I hope old Joe throws his headset at you. Not because I dislike you, but because of the implied motive attached to that question.

In Honorarium of Haikuman, and the rest of the creative RI posters, I humbly submit the following:

Lloyd Carr, safe or gone?
Tom Brady is in trouble
Suck It Michigan!

Reaper is the truth
Laron is on the warpath
Suck it Randy Moss!

J Cam will hurt yah
Sellars is gonna dirt yah
Suck It Hate Nation!

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | October 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Go get 6"3' 350lb run stuffer Grady Jackson who was released by the Falcons today. He could play the role of former Skins great Dave Butz and plug up the middle. If teams are forced to pass, it would play right into the hands of our awesome backfield. I predict Sean Taylor will finish with at least 14 int's this season. He's got five picks and could easily have 7 or 8 so far. GO SKINS...Beat the PATSY'S

Posted by: RedskinD | October 24, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

*** Troll Bashing ***

15 Laptops workin' overtime

*** End Troll Bashing ***

Skins - why do you keep answerin' to the Troll Bashing?!

Oh & Do any of you Global Warming Alarmists want to tell me what the temperature was like on this planet the last time we had so much sun spot activity?

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pats fan...do you know how GAY it sounds when u continually refer to them as your " beloved Pats!!"??? I mean come on...who says beloved anymore? Are we in the 1600's?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:21 PM

Attack my words because you can't attack my team. The last time I check beloved is still in the dictionary.

Ha ha ha, he said "beloved", that sounds gay... are we in the 1600's?

Posted by: VBB | October 24, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

VBB, why don't you go off and suck mit romnys SJK.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Its official. "very brady" is not a Patroits fan. If so, how does he know that SMACK is a Cowboys fan?

Hmmm?

Confess and reveal your true self. No one here will think less of your antics. We will applaude your efforts of trying to rile up the Skin fans.

Then we will get with the WaPo NOC and track you down. Travel to your place of residence in either DC, MD, or VA, and pay you a visit. It has been done before, it will happen again.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

But i garuntee if the skins were 6-0, i wouldnt be going to any other teams blog and talk trash. Because in reality, none of us plays any part in our teams sucess other than the occasional sore throat from attending a live game.....hell...if they were 6-0 id be too happy to even think anything negative.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Go get 6"3' 350lb run stuffer Grady Jackson who was released by the Falcons today. He could play the role of former Skins great Dave Butz and plug up the middle. If teams are forced to pass, it would play right into the hands of our awesome backfield. I predict Sean Taylor will finish with at least 14 int's this season. He's got five picks and could easily have 7 or 8 so far. GO SKINS...Beat the PATSY'S

Posted by: RedskinD | October 24, 2007 12:24 PM

Awesome backfield? Predict at least 14 ints for Sean Taylor? I hope you're not the gambling kind because that's a horrible prediction. Sean Taylor's hands is only marginally better than Carlos Rogers, heir to the #1 CB spot after Springs leave when the regular season is over.

Most of his ints this year came from errant passes that he didn't have to work. When he did have to make a play for an int, he dropped the ball more than he caught it. He is a good hard hitting safety, but an incomplete one, which makes him overall good but no where near great safety.

Your neighbors up north have way better safeties than you do.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Its official. "very brady" is not a Patroits fan. If so, how does he know that SMACK is a Cowboys fan?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:28 PM

Ummm, I don't know. He said it's nice to win something after someone listed Dallas as the most hated team by Skinz (I believe)

Posted by: VBB | October 24, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Its official. "very brady" is not a Patroits fan. If so, how does he know that SMACK is a Cowboys fan?

Hmmm?

Confess and reveal your true self. No one here will think less of your antics. We will applaude your efforts of trying to rile up the Skin fans.

Then we will get with the WaPo NOC and track you down. Travel to your place of residence in either DC, MD, or VA, and pay you a visit. It has been done before, it will happen again.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:28 PM

Noticed it too

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
I really believe the NFL is too tolerant of all kinds of shenanigans.

They have started to get tough on players who rule afoul of the law by hitting them with suspensions, etc. But they let the Patriot's off easy.

As for sjking with the COMM equipment and piping in noise, the penalties ought to be severe.

Where is the Honor in this game if we don't enforce the rules?

Bring everything you've got to the playing field, play by the rules and may the best team win.

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Almost all picks in the NFL are due to bad throws.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

**** Troll Bashing ****

Dude, you're ire must be a risin' How long do you think you can keep this up?

Eventually you're going to crack - just like the stuff you're smokin'

So - how do you like your crow?

*** End Troll Bashing ***


Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Jackson plays NT in the 3-4 and we run a 4 man front. I'm not sure he'd be a great fit. Plus he beats his wife and probably cheated on her. Probably a better fit for the Pats where 3-4 and cheating is concerned.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of the mics in the first place. I say let them play football the old fashion way. No camera reviews, no mics, just pure football. Humans make this game interesting.

Posted by: VBB | October 24, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think the so-called "fan of the team the Redskins are playing" who conveniently appears every week is actually the same guy? It's hard for me to believe that different fans could all be so unoriginal with their trolling. Everything the Cards, Pats and Packers fans have said in the days leading up to the game has become so state.

This might be a good argument for requiring registration to post here. If so-called opposing fans go through the time and trouble to create accounts, logins and passwords, and continue to show up just to try to rile up Redskins fans...well, then we'll KNOW they are a total loser with too much time on their hands.

Before I started to post, I'd been lurking on RI since I came back from overseas a couple of years back. Well before that, I used to participate in Redskins discussions on the old Post Talk forums. Actually, one of the regulars here recognized me from those days.

It's hard for me to imagine that the trolling would end, but registration would certainly slow it down. And let's not forget what losers these clowns are who come specifically to mock another team's fans. I could spend my day doing that; fortunately, I work for a living.

Posted by: jcabana | October 24, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO...someone thinks the Reapers mits arent up to snuff? LMAO u obviously havent followed his career. I believe "ballhawk" was a frequently used term to describe him coming out of college. The only reason he didnt have more Ints last year was because he was the one playing so close to the line.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE work with the other reporters to get Coach all fired up. This team has got to be easier/more fun to cover when all is going well.

And I must say that nothing this team does on the field shocks me any more. They could lay a beating on the Pats and then get blown out by the Jets.

Posted by: Sean | October 24, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

okay here is what/ how teams should be hit.

Piping in the noise. Fine the owner and team, cut the teams ability to have stadium announcers for four home games.

Headset shinanagans. Same fines, and the guilty team does not get to use headsets in any way whatsoever for a season.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Skinz et al,
For Gibbs, the first question is character. I don't think wife-beating shows much character, so Jackson won't play here.

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

They could lay a beating on the Pats and then get blown out by the Jets.

Posted by: Sean | October 24, 2007 12:40 PM

Amazing, you managed to be funny and serious (in that order) at the same time.

Folks, I'll see on Sunday to dish out some very verbal abuse.

Posted by: VBB | October 24, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The only reason he didnt have more Ints last year was because he was the one playing so close to the line.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:38 PM

Actually, the main reason why Taylor didn't have much of a chance to make picks was because Double-Move, Two-Wrongs and Speedbumph found ways to let just about anyone by their coverage. And if that weren't enough, Can't Getta Holdman couldn't cover a woodshed with paint, let alone cover a player.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 24, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

The only way to beat NE, shut them down, they cant win if they cant score.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:16 PM

Scoring more points than NE might work too.

Posted by: Mac | October 24, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Jason, if you do this, and it works (at least gets Joe spun up), you will win the Babe Ruth "Called Shot Award".

What a great idea!

Posted by: Matt | October 24, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Five days left before gameday folks. Don't forget to show your support and purchase tons of overpriced Redskins merchandise before the game! And if you'd like to go to Foxboro for the game contact our sales reps for our Travel With The Team Package. Don't forget to wear your new Redskins Jerseys for the game!!!

As always, thanks for your support and money 'Skins fans.

The DANNY

Posted by: The DANNY | October 24, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess LadyBrady will never be in DC uniform either.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

RE: 12:37 post by my BFF, Skinz.

I think you have Grady Jackson confused with Claude Terrell, formally of the St. Louis Rams.

How have you been BTW, Skinz? Are you still ITA'n me?

Lol

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I feel you, my friend. But I have to second the emotion that this is an escape. No disrespect to your points of view intended.

My cousin, the one I was closest to growing up lives in Chula Vista and just had to evacuate to Tijuana where her husband's relatives live. So, I am truly aware of your hurt.

But it's not Jasno's fault for doing his job.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 24, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Can someday cut and paste the mortenson chat on espn.com

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Can someday cut and paste the mortenson chat on espn.com

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Sean Penn's house has burned down.

F California
F Brady
F Pats

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

About Claude

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/456189953DB979848625737D005AD556?OpenDocument

Any man who puts his hands on a Woman is a piece of shti, IMHO.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes the "coca cola" commercial plays, its the sound of the "fizz" that you are confusing with pumping noise into the stadium. We do not do that.

Posted by: Redskins | October 24, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the main reason why Taylor didn't have much of a chance to make picks was because Double-Move, Two-Wrongs and Speedbumph found ways to let just about anyone by their coverage. And if that weren't enough, Can't Getta Holdman couldn't cover a woodshed with paint, let alone cover a player.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 24, 2007 12:43 PM

I guess it wasnt the ONLY reason like i said, but i know for a fact ive seen less of Taylor in the box this year as opposed to last year.

LOL i get the Mike Rumph reference..who are the others?

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Just a question... do you think Joe Gibbs and his "we fought our guts out" will show up in a Coors commercial when he steps down?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

To beat the Pats:

score 28 points. Skins scored 21 with no offense agaisnt the cards. So its possible

Win the time of possesion to give the defense a rest.

The defense should be able to contain the pats offense. Hopefully

Put this game on Cambell shoulders. This is Cambell time. It's all or nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Two Wrongs don't make a Wright.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Cal Ripkien beat his wife also. He was late to a game bcause of it so the stadium had a "power failure" until he arrived to keep his streak alive

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

5-3 at midseason.... 10-6 babyyyyyy!!!!

By the way Talent Evaluator, you are on dumb mo@#$ fu#%#@!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | October 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me rephrase the questions, what are the odss that Joe Gibbs and his "we fought our guts out" will show up in a Coors commercial when he steps down?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so, Gibbs does not say enough other stuff to make a coors ad. His average press confrence consists of three sentances. "we fought our guts out", "great bunch of guys", "playd hard"

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse


"Put this game on Cambell shoulders. This is Cambell time. It's all or nothing."


Agreed, but somebody (who?...everybody) has got to catch the sjk ball!

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Even if Taylor's hands aren't great (he has dropped a lot of INT's), I think he's still got a shot of racking up some serious INT numbers. Someone earlier said that his 5 int's this year have been errant passes where he was near the ball and didnt have to work. Exactly!! Grilliams new approach, allowing Sean to play center field, has him "near the ball" more and more, since he's allowed to roam more freely. If he can grab HALF the "errant passes" that come his way, he'll have 13-15 INTs easy.

Posted by: Alex in LA | October 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

OK OK. *hugs*

This place used to be so much fun.

*sigh*

Posted by: filling in for Sallie Mae | October 24, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Two wrongs make a -Wright.
Double Move-Carlos "He put a double move on me, what was i supposed to do?" Rogers
Warrick Holdman

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

No one has had 15 ints in a season.

Most Interceptions By, Season
14 Dick (Night Train) Lane, Los Angeles, 1952
13 Dan Sandifer, Washington, 1948
Orban (Spec) Sanders, N.Y. Yanks, 1950
Lester Hayes, Oakland, 1980
12 By nine players

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Didn't barry wilburn have a bunch of picks one year? How many? Memory fails...Anybody?

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

What's the most in recent history--say after 1995?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Pot-kettle-black.

Marvin Lewis says this happens to him every time he plays in Washington.

Posted by: Chris | October 24, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I know he had two in sbXXII...

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Here is where I got my stat from

http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/ints

They go through a bunch of other stuff.

For example ST needs 3-4 more games with a pick to break that streek.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sportsmanship has to start at the top. You can't slap a player for being unsportsmanlike when the owner is piping in mp3s of crowd noise over the PA and the coach has a spy working for him.

Home field advantage is what the fans bring to the table. They are the ones who should determine whether the stadium is a tough place to play.

My one exception to this is putting the visiting team on the sunny side of the field on a hot day and making them where their dark jerseys. That's just an advantage the home team has going for them - kind of like choosing to receive the opening kickoff if you win the toss. Nothing unsportsmanlike about it.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

If this game was at FedEx I'd hop on over to Vegas (if the roads weren't closed or jammed due to the tragic fires out here) and lay some $$ on the 'Skins...big time.

I think the defense will keep them in the game, but Gibbs/Al Saunders must not be afraid to put the game on JC's shoulders given the running-offensive line issues. I've always thought the Patriots benefit from a time in the League where there are few great teams. The Skin's had to attend with the 49ers, Giants, Cowboys and Bears during their run, whereas the only team to consistently challenge the Pats has been Indy. If Bob Kraft were the owner of the Redskins they'd contend for the Super Bowl because of his continuity and player philosophy.

If the Redskins execute they can play with this team, which means the front 4 must pressure Brady all by themselves, and force the Pats to work for every score. The DB's must force everyone else to beat them except Randy Moss. From about 60 yards out and in the DBs MUST expect the ball going to Moss and shut him down 1st. Saunders better pull out plays from that 700pg playbook the Pats haven't seen to keep their defense guessing more.

Wearing my Burgundy and Gold glasses: Skins, 31-27.

Posted by: adinasi | October 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

OK this little pats arugeing is getting old. so heres my question. Was at the cardinals game and couldnt help but notice how many loser cowboys fans were there wearing there romo jersys and baseball caps. I asked one why he came and he said because he has season tickets. Does anyone else think season tickets should be for skins fans only? im getting tired of seeing dallas fans at all the games!

Posted by: peter | October 24, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

How many times has Marvin Lewis been the head coach of a team that's played at FedEx? I can't imagine how "every time" is more than once. I'll have to look it up.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Wilburn 1987 Washington Redskins 9int

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Here is a Gibbs Coors Light Commercial:

"Coach, what'd ya think about my friends here with a cold one?"

"They're a great bunch of guys"

Posted by: Thor | October 24, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Okay, revising my earlier estimate. If Taylor continues to play near the ball like he has, he'll have 11 INTs.

Posted by: Alex in LA | October 24, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

No. Season tickets are for fans of football. I don't mind others wearing jerseys other than the Redskins. It's a recipe for some good ol' fashion trash talking--as long as it stops there. I like the skinz, but I am not going to bust the head of a pats or a cowboys fan if he comes to the stadium. At the end of the day, pro football is entertainment and should be enjoyed and accessible to everyone.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

thanks 35332. nfl.com? searched barry wilburn there and the only thing I found was a pic of him in the sb going for a pick...

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Got to search their Historic players spot.
http://www.nfl.com/players/barrywilburn/profile?id=WIL006462

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh,

Why would you want to receive the opening kickoff? If I have a good defense like the Redskins I would choose to kick, it may put some pressure on the offense to score.

Besides, the way the Skins have looked thus far in the second half of games, choosing to kick the opening kickoff may not be a bad idea.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I am kinda leaning this way, but I wonder who else in here would like the team to explore the possibility of find a new feature RB next year?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should start selling other teams merchandise at FEDEX to cash in.

The Danny

Posted by: The DANNY | October 24, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think our D's front four can put the pressure on through the Pats' offensive line all by themselves.

I think we'll have to blitz quite a bit. I don't see too many coverage sacks either. So the Pats will get their points.

Posted by: wet blanket | October 24, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I say you don't even think about a new RB till you see the stats in the last 3 weeks. Heathly line provided ofcourse.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I go to Skins games now and then, but I wouldn't wear Cowboys gear if the Cowboys weren't playing. I would file that under A for asinine.

Posted by: SMACK | October 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Or D for Dumba$$ Dallas fan!

Posted by: Troll | October 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Anon,
I think even the most die-hard CP/Betts fans agree that we need to start looking now for someone special to be the feature back of the future.

But right now, the real issue is the offensive line. Blocking is what makes the running game work. Our backs are having a hard time getting out of the backfield.

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I say you don't even think about a new RB till you see the stats in the last 3 weeks. Heathly line provided ofcourse.

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 01:18 PM

Agreed. I guess, I'm just getting tired of the yapping. He acts like he is one of the coaches out there. I just wish that Gibbs or Saunders would tell him to shut the f up and do little bit less talking and a little bit more running.

I actually liked how GG waived him off after he fumbled the ball and tried to talked to him.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist,

That's the way to do it in Madden. However, a while back PFT had an article that explained that what's in the game is NOT what is in the game.

If I recall correctly.... if you win the toss, you get to choose one of 2 privileges: ball or direction. In the 2nd half, the team that lost the toss gets to choose one or the other. There is no "deferring" like there is in NCAA.

So if you win the toss and choose the direction, your opponent gets the ball in the 1st half. Then, they could choose the ball in the 2nd half also. In this case the loser of the toss gets the ball to start BOTH halves.

Hence, you always take the ball if you win the toss.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

A Gibbs Coors Light commercial transcript:

Reporter- Coach, can you describe the taste of the Coors rocky mountain taste?

Gibbs- You know, up there they really have something special.

Reporter- What do you think of a guy who drinks Coors vs. a guy who drinks other beer.

Gibbs- I gotta tell ya' he must be a super smart guy.

Reporter- Super smart?

Reporter- I understand your team was deprived of the rocky mountain taste, how will it affect your performance?

Gibbs- We're going to fight our guts out, but we've got to be the biggest underdog in the history of sports. (Laughs like ol' St. Joe)

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Dr Z stole my crack pipe.

Next thing you know he'll be driving the Art Monk HOF bus.

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

*Zing*

Thanks Joe.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The Patriots are right up there with the Cowboys, Yankees, etc as my most hated teams. The patriots have been a bandwagon team since their first super bowl. Ask some random Pat fans, "who was the QB against Montana in the Super Bowl?" No answer is assumed.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | October 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Generally speaking you take the ball in the second half for two reason (in theory)

The defense isn't as fresh and so the offense has an advantage.

Half the game is over so you know whether to go for a td, bleed the clock etc.

Again that's what people have always told me. I'm not saying I agree or disagree.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I think between cp, betts, cartwright, you have a starting tailback. In the draft I would like to c a dlineman in the 1st, and go after depth for both the o and d lines. You don't have to worry about anther starting rb awhile. The o line been beat up. The oline aren't pushing the opposing dline of the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Burg w/a U,

Your statement is deceptive but I gotcha. Lol

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"That's the way to do it in Madden. However, a while back PFT had an article that explained that what's in the game is NOT what is in the game.

If I recall correctly..."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 01:23 PM

From your explanation, it sounds like you lose by winning the toss. In other words, I don't know why any team would like to win the toss.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly.... if you win the toss, you get to choose one of 2 privileges: ball or direction. In the 2nd half, the team that lost the toss gets to choose one or the other. There is no "deferring" like there is in NCAA.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 01:23 PM

Joe, I'm not sure about this, but I think the "privilege" that you get to choose isn't "ball or direction" but rather - you can choose
a) direction, or
b) you can choose whether to kick or receive.

If the skins win the flip and choose to KICK first, then the pats get to choose direction... but skins receive in 2nd half.

Someone who knows more than me can confirm if that's true.

Posted by: Alex in LA | October 24, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Anon,
I think even the most die-hard CP/Betts fans agree that we need to start looking now for someone special to be the feature back of the future."

We have two starting caliber rb's on the roster, both of whom under the right conditions could be pro-bowl worthy. There is absolutely no way the skins should take any time or money looking for another rb. When the line is healthy, both these rb's are studs, as evidence by portis' 2005 season and bett's 2006 season. no, they're not on the level of LDT, but then again what rb's are? The entire offseason should be dedicated to replenishing the offensive and defensive lines. Take care of the o-line and the rb's will be fine.

Posted by: el diablo | October 24, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

If you win it, you get the ball first. That's it.

They never show the toss on TV except for the Super Bowl, but I can't think of a time the winner has ever NOT taken the ball. Has anyone ever seen that?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Toin Coss: I think the only real advantage is direction.

Whoever gets it first has to kick in the 2nd half. No one gets it twice.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Alex in LA,

I could be wrong about this; I'm no authority. But I remember PFT did an column about it and I think what I wrote is correct.

What you described is how Madden works which, I beleive, is not accurate to the NFL.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

In college football you cannot choose to recieve in the second half. You can choose to defer to the second half which is essentially the same thing.

It's not true that if you win the toss you have to take the ball. However if you choose to kickoff then you will more than likely be kicking off in both halves.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else here think that the Skins should have an indoor practice facility? Would it help with the hammy injuries and stuff?

Posted by: 35332 | October 24, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe - Gibbs has quite often elect to put the D on the field first. It happens all the time.

Again, the usual reason is wind direction. You want that coming from the back in the 4th - in case you need that winning field goal. It's the only real advantage w/ the toss aside from mindgame stuff like facing the home crowd and putting your best team out first...

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

el diablo,
I think we're on the same page really. When I say start looking, I'm not talking about paying attention to a need that may still be several seasons away. Seeing if there's a good second round draft pick who's a prospect and coaching them up.

I hope the Skins will draft some linemen, for some reason they don't think that's the way to get them.

Posted by: Stumped | October 24, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"When I say start looking, I'm AM talking about paying attention to a need that may still be several seasons away."

Posted by: Stumped (preview stupid) | October 24, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that thing about the Pats not beating the Skins in 35 years, and Brady never beating the Skins, only really means regular season games. Am I misremembering something about a 41-0 preseason game?

Posted by: dcsween | October 24, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

F the preseason

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's what NFL.com says. Skinz is right that you will likely be kicking off in both halves if you elect not to receive the ball.

Coin Toss

1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:
(a) Receive or kick
(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Fox biz report y'all were blogging about Sunday, the one that said Daniel Snyder and Tom Cruise had ended their partnership?
Those delightfully daffy dames from Reliable Source checked it out and mentioned it on their chat today:

Washington, D.C.: So, I guess one could say that the Cruise-Snyder relationship "came up short", eh? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Roxanne Roberts: Don't be short-sighted: Despite reports early this week, reps says the business partnership is still on, as well as their friendship.

Posted by: Cindy | October 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"We'll take the ball, and we're going to score!"

Posted by: Matt Hasselback | October 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Great Coin Tosses in History...

"We want the ball, and we're going to score" - Matt Hasselbeck '03 playoffs vs. Packers. oops

Former Detroit coach Marty Mornhinweg takes the wind vs. Chicago in '02. Oops.

Jerome Bettis calls "hea-tails", causing referee Phil Luckett's brain to explode. Detroit gets the ball, Steelers lose. Oops.

Posted by: SMACK | October 24, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

We'll take the ball, and we're going to score!"

Posted by: Matt Hasselback | October 24, 2007 02:04 PM

LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Damn, i got scooped!

Posted by: SMACK | October 24, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

SkinsRealist,

Deceptive...yes. I guess I should've said, what "Patriots QB", but that goes without saying. I still hate the BOYS more though

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | October 24, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

My teammates call me the dumptruck

Posted by: Najeh Davenport | October 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think i read somewhere that the Bears chose to kick first so that their D could set the tone back in the mid 80's when their D was dominant. If I was the 2000 ravens or the 85 Bears, i would definitely want the D on the field first. heck you might even get a score.

Posted by: mark | October 24, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I prefer getting the ball in the second half. I'd rather set the tone in the first half with our D and let them try and make something happen, hopefully giving tho O some good field position to start.

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"I'm never gonna score! hehe, Um, I wanna score!"

Posted by: Beavis | October 24, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Has someone pointed out to the brady bunch that skins' fans don't make trades? Gibbs and Snyder do, we aren't responsible for any of that.

Posted by: Taidg | October 24, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

beep beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse


I trust our defense to hold the Pats to 24. Can we score 27? It's possible, but it'll take a 300+ yard game from Soups to do it. Can the line give him enough time to set up for the occasional deep toss?

Cooley, ARE and Santana simply have to hold on to the ball. If we had a running game, we could chip away at time of posession, but that probably won't happen this week. So there won't be a chance to play conservatively in the 2nd half, so it looks good for Soups to get the green light to go full throttle. We can't survive any more than one turnover, and more than 15 yards total in penalties.

We have the ability; do we have the will?

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | October 24, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

let's talk about the running game for a minute this team needs a brusing running back like back in the old days someone like gerald riggs or Earnest Byner Clinton Portis is not that type of Back Stephen Jackson of St Louis is that kind of back until this team gets that the skins can't play the type of game Joe gibbs wants and that is Controlling the clock skins need someone who can carry the ball anywhere between 30 to 35 times a game for about 185 to 195 yards something like that and to do that you need bruising back either Portis or Betts are not going to do that for this team.

Posted by: armen | October 24, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Cooley has good match ups this game. Our wide outs are going to have to come through.

Posted by: M&M | October 24, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Gamesmanship...the truth is that it has little to do with games. This is a billion dollar industry and if piping in crowd noise or messing with a communication system is going to get you palyoff bonuses, contract incentives or an extra home game in the playoffs or secure a playoff game with extra tv revenue, then who wouldn't do it?

The irony of Spygate is that it probably did more to help Eric Mangini than anyone else. Think about it. You don't think he goes home and looks down at the 3 rings he owns and how it led to him getting an HC job? Obviously they didn't need video to win, but there is too much at stake to take risks. In a league where polaroids are faxed regularly from coaches in remote locations communicating over wireless headsets we are concerned about some video? Gimme a break...

Quit whining haters. Good v. Evil = Loser v. Winner. Sad, but true.

Posted by: Troy | October 24, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Quit whining haters. Good v. Evil = Loser v. Winner. Sad, but true.

Posted by: Troy | October 24, 2007 03:00 PM"


if im not mistaken, the colts have beat you the last three times, are the defending champs, and have the longest win streak in the nfl right now. i'm not a colts fan, but clearly they're not the "losers" in this case. just because your franchise has no integrity and can't win substantial championships doesn't mean you should get pissed at the rest of the world for recognizing it.

Posted by: el diablo | October 24, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"havent beaten the redskins in 35 years?"
2005-06 preseason...didnt the pats beat the skins, like 40-0?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins BETTER have a back-up headset system at Foxboro, you know the headsets might "conveniently" not work in the 2nd half!!

Posted by: Betsy | October 24, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"havent beaten the redskins in 35 years?"
2005-06 preseason...didnt the pats beat the skins, like 40-0?

preseason doesn't count!

Posted by: Gregskins | October 24, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

King Cad now returns as the Brady Bunch. What a schmuck.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss

1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:
(a) Receive or kick
(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 24, 2007 02:01 PM

I have never seen this or heard of this until now and ive been watching football my whole life. I thought the winner gets to choose. the loser then gets the other privelege. and the goal that u defends switches so that no one has the same goal to defend in the 2nd and 4th quarters

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

It is highly unlikely we will ever see Joe Gibbs in a beer commercial of any kind. He apparently does not drink and doesn't allow his name to be associated with alcoholic beverages.

The Gibbs Racing Team rejected overtures to accept Budweiser as a team car sponsor.

Posted by: FYI | October 24, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

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