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Heyer Draws $5,000 Fine from NFL

From Jason La Canfora

Stephon Heyer was fined $5,000 today by the NFL for unnecessary roughness -- unnecessarily striking an opponent away from the play, according to a source with knowledge of the situation -- in the Washington Redskins' victory Sunday over the Arizona Cardinals.

He drew a 15-yard penalty for striking Arizona defensive lineman Darnell Dockett on a play after Dockett had mixed it up with running back Clinton Portis a few plays earlier. The Redskins believed Dockett might be fined for putting his arm about Portis's neck on one play, but he was not disciplined, according to the source.

The penalty on Heyer negated a touchdown pass to Devin Thomas and was a proper interpretation of that personal foul, team sources said.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 26, 2008; 3:34 PM ET
 
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what?!?!? didn't JCam still have the ball when he hit him? 15 yarder negating the TD was too much as it is.

Posted by: notthecrochunter | September 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Docket should be fined

Posted by: alex35332 | September 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

so this is what it feels like to be first.

it's lame.

Posted by: NewYorkBaller | September 26, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

What a load of garbage that is.

Is this the NFL or tiddly-winks?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | September 26, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

so....just how far away from the ball do you have to be now to be considered "away from the play"?

Why don't we just take the pads off of them and just let them play touch?

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | September 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This seemed like necessary roughness... sounds like there were a lot of shenanigans going on away from the ball and after the play in this one.

Also I think we blog commenters have agreed that we don't know why the hell the TD was nullified by this penalty instead of having the penalty enforced on the kickoff. Unless this has already been fully explained.

Stephon, buddy, get well soon. If you need help with this fine, I'm sure we can pass a hat up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Dockett is a chump. I heard him on Live Wire last night taunting Jansen...calling him a 'benchwarmer' after he got in the game last week. And I know he threw a helmet to helmet hit on CP on a short gain up the middle. How does he not get fined?

Posted by: redpitbull98 | September 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Now I don't want Jason to get in trouble. Can he call the NFL and find out what the rule is for Refs shouldn't the TD have counted?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 26, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas, F Homo and his beeatch TO! Look for them to implode on Sunday. All this 'Patriots' hype will go to their collective heads. They are not the Patriots, they will lose this year and they won't even sniff the SB.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | September 26, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Never saw tape good enough to figure out if that was a cheap shot or not.

The play was still going, Campbell still had the ball, so Heyer could hit him for certain. If the call was because the Saint guy was away from the play and had quit on it, then is was a terrible call and a stupid fine.

But it looked like Heyer came in near the head. If that is the case (and I don't know), I have no problem with the fine.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

That's just BS. If you don't call it when a punter gets laid out, you shouldn't call it on lineman.....refs are really fouling things up this year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 26, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

(Also, NewYorkBaller, I don't think that's really what it feels like to be first.)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 26, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen all the DC Cowboy fans this week? They love to put on their jerseys and caps and drive around with their flags and magnets. Just makes me sick...I bet 90% of them haven't even been to Texas, let alone Dallas. Same tards that are Yankee fans.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | September 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

good point, dlhaze. I would hate if every penalty started having a fine.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 26, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

That's a bad call, hit 'em again SH, and this time, make it count and bury him!

Posted by: craig2 | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought the fine was for a blow to the head and not because it was late. At least that's the way it looked.

Posted by: will_ga | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Apparently all you have to do is make sure that the person is looking directly at you before you're allowed to make contact. It's so simple, all Andre Carter has to do is turn his head the other way when rushing the passer until the last second. That way, nobody can touch him until he hits the QB. Brilliant.

Posted by: psps23 | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

+++Ahh it nice to get a breath of fresh air from the Times every now and then.

The pessimism here wears on you after a while.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | September 26, 2008 3:42 PM++++

Sir Anon...

Sure the Moonies bring the joy every so often...but what you REALLY want is Redskins.com, your home port for relentless Optimism.

And whle we're on the subject. There's a cure for Pessimism. Winning.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I'll be curious to watch all the guys on NFL on FOx and NFL on CBS pre games to see if they talk this up.......surely Jimmy Johnson and Howie will call it dirty and a good call.....I can see Boomer on CBS saying it's a BS call though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

And why do these tards show up to non-Dallas games at FedEx wearing their stupid jerseys? The fool in Sec. 219 was wearing a J. Jones jersey. Hey Moron, he plays for Seattle now. Update the jersey and keep your azz at home!

Posted by: redpitbull98 | September 26, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Its the people who just don't like the skins logo.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 26, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Former Washington Redskins coach Joe Gibbs is a revered figure among D.C. football fans, and his old quarterback, Joe Theismann, can’t help but think that maybe people should re-examine Gibbs’ legacy.

In an interview with Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post, Theismann said people go overboard in blaming Redskins executive Vinny Cerrato for things that go wrong with the franchise, and they’ve also gone overboard in crediting Gibbs for things that have gone right.

“[Cerrato has] been held accountable for a lot of things that happened, and up until this year, this is the thing that bothers me, nobody wants to hold Joe Gibbs accountable for bad things,” Theismann said. “They’d rather defer it and blame Vinny. If it was good it was Joe’s, if it was bad it was Vinny’s. Joe has to take responsibility for the hirings that he made, for the decisions that they made regarding personnel.”

Theismann noted that Gibbs won only six games in the first season of his second stint with the team, in 2004, and said Gibbs didn’t get enough criticism for that.

“Now obviously he had a 6-10 season; something went wrong,” Theismann said.

Tensions between Theismann and Gibbs are nothing new; Theismann has frequently said that he didn’t think Gibbs was supportive enough of him when he suffered a career-ending injury at the hands of Lawrence Taylor in 1985. But it’s weird that Theismann cares enough, all these years later, to complain about Gibbs getting too much positive media coverage.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | September 26, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

That was a BS penalty on Heyer. I grew up in Montgomery County and played football against Dockett. He was a dirty player (although supremely dominant over everyone he faced) then and he still is now.

Posted by: ColumbiaRd_SportsGuru | September 26, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Well Stu;

He played in

2005 - 16 games ( - two games , 2 playoffs)
2006 - 14 games (- 2 games)
2007 - 12 games (-5 games, 1 playoff)

Posted by: Zeebs | September 26, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zeebs | September 26, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

But I agree, 9 games out of 51 isnt horrible. He just seems to be injured a lot or coming out of games...

Posted by: Zeebs | September 26, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Darnell Dirty Dockett

Posted by: alex35332 | September 26, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

His docketts are NOT straight

Posted by: Zeebs | September 26, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Portis and JC should pay that for him.

Posted by: Devo2 | September 26, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The shot from Heyer was on Dockett's shoulder pads. Dockett was playing dirty all game and everyone knows it. Not the worst call of the year (Denver-SD), but it could've easily been a game changer if we didn't salt it away.$5000 from the NFL shows they didn't view it as that serious either. I'm not a Ravens fan at all, but Cleveland not getting fined for gouging out Willis' eyes and Heyer getting fined for pushing a 285 lb man to the ground? Come on!

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the league is haunted by that booming dirty-but-legal hit Warren Sapp laid on Chad Clifton... they don't want any of that stuff going on.

Still puzzled as to why that TD was called back, as Learned Hand has so convincingly argued there doesn't seem to be a plausible answer to be found in the rulebook...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 26, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Dockett has been watching too many tapes of those Buddy Ryan Eagles teams...

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Interesting comments about Gibbs vs Vinny. I give Gibbs a ton of credit for turning the Skins around via his leadership plus restoring character and respect to the organization. There was nothing this organization needed more.

In the closing stretch to last year, he had a team that people feared for the first time since 1992.

Gibbs gets mixed credit for other aspects, especially bringing in talent. The quality level went up, but at a very high price. Its this area I think he shares with Vinny, but its often difficult to determine who did what.

As a game coach, he was below average. Poor play calling and got whipped in making halftime adjustments, once among his great attributes.

But I guess what strikes me about Theismann's comments, few people actually see Gibbs 2.0 as an overwhelming and unabashed success.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 was not a success per wins and losses. But the way he held the franchise together after Taylor's murder reminds us of how great a man he is. I was proud to be a Redskins fan with the class and dignity our organization showed last year.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope Vinny continues to keep Gibbs' philosophy of character counts when evaluating future prospects/free agents.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

But it’s weird that Theismann cares enough, all these years later, to complain about Gibbs getting too much positive media coverage.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | September 26, 2008 3:56 PM

Not that weird...Theisman is jobless, aside from doing preseason games with Mike Patrick. He is just sucking up to the Skins, Vinny and Danny.

On 980 AM recently, they mentioned the possibility of Theisman being added to or replacing one of the current broadcast team----Sonny, Sam, or Michaels.

Having worked at one his favorite area restaurants, you will probably never meet a bigger prick. He's as annoying and condescending as advertised.

Posted by: ksquare | September 26, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

But it’s weird that Theismann cares enough, all these years later, to complain about Gibbs getting too much positive media coverage.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | September 26, 2008 3:56 PM

Not that weird...Theisman is jobless, aside from doing preseason games with Mike Patrick. He is just sucking up to the Skins, Vinny and Danny.

On 980 AM recently, they mentioned the possibility of Theisman being added to or replacing one of the current broadcast team----Sonny, Sam, or Michaels.

Having worked at one his favorite area restaurants, you will probably never meet a bigger prick. He's as annoying and condescending as advertised.

Posted by: ksquare | September 26, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Reactions to Heyer's play

Dockett: Fine the SOB
Vinny C: JLa called the league office to see if it was a dirty play ..
Conrad Dobler: No teeth marks, no foul.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Dallas 34
Redskins 14


...sucks, but I just think they got too much offense! Any team that can spell their starting RB with someone as fast and strong as Felix Jones has some serious depth.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!

Posted by: isnadd | September 26, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

well put

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

sorry about the double post.

Posted by: ksquare | September 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Thats "Felix Jones HOFer" don't you mean??

Sorry, I'll take Portis and Betts over those guys 7 days a week.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | September 26, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

ksquare -- excellent point about the jobless Theismann. If kissing Danny is what gets him a job, then thats what he'll do.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I've dealt with Joe T. on two seperate charity functions and he's been very cool. Just like any of us, you catch him on a bad day or week and everyone's human. Now, he may be sucking up for a job, but I can throw a rock in my office and hit someone who has done the same.

Posted by: rich20ssu | September 26, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I really thought Gibbs was a lot more loved by his former team players back from the SuperBowl days.

When both Monk and Green barely mentioned him during their HOF ceremonies I was surprised, especially considering he was sitting 20 feet away.

Theismann's comments don't surprise me. I think I am one of the few who really enjoyed his announcing on Sunday Night Football.

Posted by: isnadd | September 26, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The play made the highlights on "Inside the NFL", I thought it was a pretty legimate shot - he didn't go for the head. It was pretty far away from the play though.

I'm not saying he should have done it, I'm just saying I understand.

Posted by: archidawgg | September 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Theismann is a mixed bag as an announcer, but he did have one of the all time great comments. He told the audience to watch the football game that he was covering because the World Series game on opposite didn't get really good until the late innings.

It was the Twins series in 1991(?) that went 7 and every game it seemed just had incredible drama in the late innings.

Great announcer? No so much. Great comment? Yup!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Rich ou make a valid point. However.....who shows up a charity function and acts like a prick? Seems unlikely you reveal your true colors when you are donating your time and/or money for a good cause.

More important though, who isn't smart enough to treat a bartender or waiter with a little manners.

Raising your voice and snapping your fingers at people is not that smart. Like, getting a surprise in your food/beverage. See the movie Waiting if you want a better visual.

Posted by: ksquare | September 26, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that Dockett is just the latest in a line of dirty players who have worn Cardinals colors, including Chuck Cecil and Andre "Dirty" Waters...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 26, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskins !!!! come out to play yay !!
Lets gets started on your excuses for losing to the Cowboys :

1. Jason Taylor was out, if he hadd been there WE WOULD HAVE WON.
2. We just were not ready for the travel, if we had only gone to bed early!
3. Its so hot there, were not used to that heat.
4. They got lucky ! we will win next time !
5. The referees cheated did you see all the bad calls against us, ITS A CONSPIRACY !!
6. The turf was to hard, I think there is concrete under there ?
7. Little Dani Snyder made Jerry Jones mad ! if he had just kept his big mouth shut, and not made them mad ! WE WOULD HAVE WON !
8. We were not ready ! our coaches did not prepare us Psychologically for the beating we knew we were going to get !
9. Barbara Steisand was in the stands rooting for the Skins, you know she is dating Jason Campbell, its her fault !
10. Its Zorns fault, if we had Joe Gibbs in there WE WOULD HAVE WON !!

Posted by: aceventura100 | September 26, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Talking Theismann makes me think of great moments in announcing. Not the "do you believe in miracles" but other 'great' moments.

I'll share a few, feel free to offer up your recollections

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Heyer just paid $5000 for a boat load of respect from his team mates. Worthy investment.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 26, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to like the man to agree with the gist of what Theismann is saying here: Gibbs has probably gotten a disproportionate share of credit for the good things and blame for the bad things during his 2.0 run, relative to Snyderrato.

I've never liked Joey T as a teevee personality, and I get the feeling I wouldn't like him much in person, but he was a great Redskin, no doubt about it... and he's entitled to his opinions of the franchise and the coach who he won a title with...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 26, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Heyer's foul was minor. That eye gouging stuff that the Browns pulled on McGahee was ridiculous. You're talking about damaging someone's vision permanently

Posted by: JinxMan | September 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Its a bs fine, he got the penalty, he shouldnt need to be fined, its not like the play was over

Posted by: SAK2 | September 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Postseason baseball. In the booth, Cosell, Jim Palmer and Keith Jackson.

Milt Pappas throws a well placed fastball.

Cosell goes on and on and on about how perfectly thrown the pitch was.

Palmer listens to Cosell and finally says: "Gee, i wish I could pitch like that"


Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought that Joey T. was not as bad an announcer as many people made him out to be. Of course, I also like Dierdorf.

Posted by: Good2bOK | September 26, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Cosell, Keith Jackson and Bob Uecker at night game

Cosell is razzing Jackson about how he has an easy day, so Jackson defends himself.

Jackson: I was up bright and early. i was out the door at 7am
Uecker: Its true, I passed him on my way in

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad about the BS fine, but Stephon should learn a lesson from this -- hide your retribution better, just like the dirty players like Docket seem to be able to do. And in any case, I think he did earn respect from his teammates for it. It should give him, and the team, a little more swagger. I don't see any inclination to just roll over like we've seen from Skins teams in the recent past. Luckily the called back TD didn't affect the game's outcome.

Posted by: LittleSoren | September 26, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas

Posted by: DJSaulTNuts | September 26, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Lots of great things about living in SF Bay area.

One thing that sucks is having two football teams. Why you ask naively. Because NFL rules make it difficult to broadcast any games that don't have the Raiders or 49ers. Non-complete BS. So that double header game with the Skins that everyone else in the country sees this weekend. Not here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My Old Man did the buid out on the first two Theismanns restaurants...in 1978 (I Was eight). My Dad told Theismann I was a huge Riggins fan...next day Joe brings Riggo in for lunch so I can meet him...pictures autographs whole deal...Theisman's a good guy...

Posted by: GintheAtl | September 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have a guy playing with intensity and making a dumb mistake than a guy playing without intensity. Its a lot easier to fix dumb mistakes -- plus intensity can be contagious.

Rock on Stephon

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Redskins !!!! come out to play yay !!
Lets gets started on your excuses for losing to the Cowboys :

1. Jason Taylor was out, if he hadd been there WE WOULD HAVE WON.
2. We just were not ready for the travel, if we had only gone to bed early!
3. Its so hot there, were not used to that heat.
4. They got lucky ! we will win next time !
5. The referees cheated did you see all the bad calls against us, ITS A CONSPIRACY !!
6. The turf was to hard, I think there is concrete under there ?
7. Little Dani Snyder made Jerry Jones mad ! if he had just kept his big mouth shut, and not made them mad ! WE WOULD HAVE WON !
8. We were not ready ! our coaches did not prepare us Psychologically for the beating we knew we were going to get !
9. Barbara Steisand was in the stands rooting for the Skins, you know she is dating Jason Campbell, its her fault !
10. Its Zorns fault, if we had Joe Gibbs in there WE WOULD HAVE WON !!

Posted by: aceventura100 | September 26, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay Acey Cowpuke, tell me, when was the last time the girls won a playoff game??

You can talk all the bs you want, but the plain truth is the girls can't win a game when it really counts. So keep on blowing and we'll see what happens when it's all on the line. My guess is you'll revert to your losing ways.

Posted by: cosomfla | September 26, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Felix Jones won't get as much in the return game as some might think, in the STUPIDDOME, the one with the hole in the roof, Suisham should be able to put the ball in the endzone consistently. His kickoffs have been pretty darn good since pre-season.

Posted by: craig2 | September 26, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

For the Gibbs being overrated thread; I tend to think he was the real deal.

He pulled out his playbook in 04 and rewrote it in 05. Result? Portis and Moss set franchise records. The guy knows offense. Too bad he pulled in Al "Why is Marc Bulger So Bad now?" Saunders, and let Gregg "My personel doesnt matter" Williams run some good players outta town.

He did make a bunch of questionable aquisitions, but sans a GM he had to make those decisions, so to be fair its not all his fault he got exposed. Great in the drafts tho, wow.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | September 26, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

gibbs was the real deal. good summary mattsoundworld. still don't know why he brought in al saunders.

Posted by: dealer1 | September 26, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Well one last f the cowboys before I head home for the weekend.
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Have a great weekend

Posted by: SAK2 | September 26, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Saw the whole portis, dockett, heyer thing go down, and then saw it again on Inside the NFL and they had all the chatter between the guys caught on mic and it was hilarious........Chris Samuels said that #90 is the same guy who spit in his face last year against the cardinals...............Heyer's hit on Dockett was DEFINATELY a act to protect Portis who has said all week the the Cardinals defensive players were deliberately trying to injure him. F THE CARDS

Posted by: bryaningrocery | September 26, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Lots of great things about living in SF Bay area.

One thing that sucks is having two football teams. Why you ask naively. Because NFL rules make it difficult to broadcast any games that don't have the Raiders or 49ers. Non-complete BS. So that double header game with the Skins that everyone else in the country sees this weekend. Not here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 26, 2008 4:49 PM
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Ya gots to get the Direct TV Sunday Ticket, my man.

It's the only way to live.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 26, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

GintheAtl - too cool.

Posted by: ericenderle | September 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm late, but I gotta say this.....

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Posted by: 4thFloor | September 26, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Portis will hook Heyer up. They can call a penalty or fine him, it doesn't matter. Heyer cleaned up the trash on that play. Dockett was trying to injure CP. Someone on the O-line had to put that sucker down and Heyer stepped up. I loved it on live wire when Kendall said "That's how we operate" in response to some whining by Dockett.

Posted by: paperwc | September 27, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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