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Hip, Hip Hair-ray?

Ah, Week 17. This is what passes for smashmouth (stashmouth?)....the Niners, it seems, are growing what may or may not be rally mustaches. Dan Steinberg, the office expert on facial hair, got the Redskins' reaction to the news. Cliffs Notes version: it was about as medium as you might expect.

Todd Yoder had a fabulous mustache last season, but he claimed it didn't affect his performance on the field.
"I would say no, it didn't make me a better football player, but I looked a lot cooler," he said. "I mean, I kind of felt like Magnum P.I, to be honest with you."


By Cindy Boren  |  December 26, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
 
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The 49'ers are definitely play NFC east smash mouth and not WCO ... if Singletary had started the season as their HC I should think they would be the division winner going to the playoffs.

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

No one answered my question in the other thread. What does TCCL stand for? Could someone please answer that for me?

Posted by: jiacinto | December 26, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise Couch Leaper

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 26, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise Couch Leaps, a measurement of enthusiasm/approval. The more, the merrier.

Here's a lingo page on the wiki:
http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Lingo

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

erm... what Rich said :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

How about PJTS?

Periculum Jumped the Shark.

"erm... what Rich said :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 26, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

From the WIKI:

"Priest Holmes
An NFL player who is contractually tied to the Kansas City Chiefs, but potentially the future Swiss Army Knife of the Washington Redskins"

PDJTS: Periculum Definitely Jumped the Shark ...

~laughing~

Still think its worth a peak at what the "ex" converted running backs have done compared to the traditional wide receiver types. Bobby Mitchell => Charley Taylor => Art Monk.

I think its time to draft another potential convert-ee ... forget WCO. How about trying the STH Offense?

Sonny's Toddle House Offense. Goa Car bombs after every win.

Goa Car Bomb: 1 chilly peper or jalapeno might be better for weaker stomach. Slit the pepper. Take one shot of decent tequila, drop in a tall pilsner glass of your favorite beer ... then add the pepper.

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It useta be that the more was the merrier, but the 1-5 scale went out the window very quickly [I would ascribe it initially to a Jasno typo, but that's just playing the law of averages].
Now the absolute value of the TCCL is some fairly reasonable calculation based on the number of the player(s) involved, one of the oodles of NFL statistics at hand, or the number of times Paul was murdered by the walrus. If you play the song backwards.

Posted by: daggar | December 26, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse


The only pinaped not found on the California Coast.
-- factual Stan Lee.

"statistics at hand, or the number of times Paul was murdered by the walrus."

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

ON "Toddaly Toddmania":

WOW no one ever mentioned the infamous Toddle House?

Posted by: periculum | December 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Periculum: I dig the mock drafting. Your boy AMTTS brought you all LaRon Landry in a tightly wrapped package. This time, you have already mentioned the young man that I covet for the area where we will be drafting.

Michael Oher. There is a book by Michael Lewis about the life of this young man. Plug him into the RT spot for years to come and enjoy the mouth smacking.

Here's to a loss on Sunday.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | December 26, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we please replace TCCLs? I know he's linked to the Diminutive Dictator but I can't stand having any more Tom Cruise ties to this team than absolutely necessary (although Valkyrie is strong)

Silly hypothetical - if salary cap weren't an issue, what 2 non-QB players would you take if you have your pick? I'm leaning towards Calvin Johnson and Albert Haynesworth

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 26, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

hur fan ar det att ingen srkiver efter mig???

vad fan?? jag skiter pa er allihopa! Och jag skiter pa Dallas!! Horor!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 27, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Morning, LMg!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 27, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Who wants a mustache ride?

Posted by: MadDog20201 | December 27, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the niners are handing out free mustache rides to the community this week?

Posted by: MadDog20201 | December 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Can we please replace TCCLs? I know he's linked to the Diminutive Dictator +++

I agree, seems a bit past it's time, like when you find the milk your 3 year old left out for two days!
Hoggetees, have to go too. See above. Plus I think grown men wearing ladies clothes is so 80's. They just look stupid now.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 27, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Need to win Sunday to go 9-7 and to end the season on a positive note,bothers the hell out of me that we're not making the playoffs,Cincy,St.Louis losses really p#sses me off this is gonna be a long off season what with the wiz playing like a CYO team and the Nats.........awwww man i think i'm getting a migrane!!!

Posted by: dargregmag | December 27, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I suspect he'll be gone by the time the Redskins pick is called.

"Michael Oher. There is a book by Michael Lewis about the life of this young man. Plug him into the RT spot for years to come and enjoy the mouth smacking."

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

For some reason TCCL and mustaches seem to go together? Kind of like kissing a vertical smile?

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Instead of "negative" TCCLs" we could use a new acronym perhaps?
How about NOSTs. Number of shoes thrown.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I agree, seems a bit past it's time, like when you find the milk your 3 year old left out for two days!
Hoggetees, have to go too. See above. Plus I think grown men wearing ladies clothes is so 80's. They just look stupid now.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 27, 2008 10:55 AM

Just what I was thinking but couldn't get it out this well. The only change I would make is from "grown men" to "overgrown men." But, yeah, move on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Oher = Consensus top 5 pick. If we lose to the 9ers by a lot ... let's see, carry the nine, add five, multiply by two ... nope, no way we get into the top five.
Our best hope is that there's a run on some other position, like QB. But like last year, the runs tend to be on oline and dline. 16 or the first 33 last year were oline/dline (and a LB or two that's playing more like a dline-man in a 3-4).

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It's that fact -- painful though it is -- that justifies the skins picks last year. I still don't claim to understand why they picked Fred Davis over Calais Campbell, but Campbell went from a 'top ten' pick after 2007 to the ninth DL picked in 2008. Any way you read that, it can't be good.

It would seem like one plan would be to bring in a college LT (where the best OLs play) as a starter at RT, with the plan being to transition him to LT as Samuels ages. Then, Samuels might go to RT in a year or two, you've got a few young guys like Heyer filling a role.
But the Hamster Hope to select more than one OL with four picks is unlikely -- For the same reason that upgrading at WR is unlikely -- they have several immovable contracts and a bunch of young, unproven players.
Automatically on the Team ($$$)
Samuels
Jansen
Thomas
Automatically on the Team (Age)
Rinehart
Heyer
Geisinger
Likely on the team (hard to upgrade quickly)
Rabach
Kendall (not vet minimum, but remember that there is a vet cap hit that lets you pay him more)
Guys Too Early to Call:
Devin Clark
Will Montgomery
D'Anthony Batiste
Guys I could see less of:
Fabini (no such thing as an Ex-CowPie!)

So, one clear spot is open, you might quibble with Kendall as well, but the guy seems like a solid contributor and has played every game for two years. [legal stmt: past performance is no guarantee...]
You've got three young guys battling for one spot, with one or two spots open on the practice squad -- so that call depends on how much you like the year or so of experience these guys have over a mid-round rookie.

Posted by: daggar | December 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Oher WILL be gone after the top 5. Dude could be as high as 2nd or 3rd overall easily.

but OT is kinda stacked, even into the third round, so I think we'll be okay even if we do decide to trade down, which Vinny has already pretty much said he wants to do.


"Truth, you're talking about probably the best DT and a Top 3 DE in the game today - hardly "more of the same"...Look, I'm totally onboard with building thru the draft. But it's hard to get to the Super Bowl without successfully utilizing both talent streams. Granted, f/a should be to fill 1-2 needs, not 4-5 as we've tried in the past, but if we can add one All Pro on EITHER line, we do it (cap permitting of course). Both are on the good side of 30 and supreme talents.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG "


fair point, I'm more talking about The Skins than Peppers/Haynesworth.

It's a fact that Redskins + Big Name Free Agent = (Failure + Long Term Contract Two Years Past Due)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 27, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

You've got two young guys in Campbell and Rogers who do deserve long-term contracts. Even if both were ostensibly backups they are the kind of high quality "12th" man every team needs.

They probably will keep Thomas, Jansen, and obviously Samuels. But Jansen now becomes more a backup and unlike Heyer he isn't able to be a "swing man". He can't play guard, he can't play left tackle, he can't play center. You draft guys who play left tackle well but are also able to play the other positions. If the draft stays as it is it almost makes sense just to draft OTGs into the 3rd round.

Except they do need help at linebacker and really good defensive backs are always coveted.

FA wise they just have to be careful. Washington was a great FA pickup, as was Thomas, Griffin. Hall and Springs were both great FA pickups.

Its on the offensive side of the ball that they failed the most. And I believe that is where Snidely Owl and the Vinnster do the most meddling. I believer that Grilliams, Gibbs, and Blache were able to get the people they needed on the defensive side of the ball with very little quibbling.

Its when the offense was discussed that things went awry. The wide receiver pickups were a cap nightmare they are still paying off. Except for Moss. And even Moss had a history with Snyder as he was the guy Snyder wanted whereas Gardner was Marty's choice. I bet probably more just put Snyder in his place ... LOL
That's Marty.

One thing is for sure. They have got to shrink that dead cap so that they don't have to lose guys like Derrick Dockery or Antonio Pierce. That has to be the #1 priority I guess.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

In 2002 out of 10 picks they came out with 3 starters/subs.

Patrick Ramsay, (traded)
Ladell Betts
Rock Cartwright

In 2003 out of 3 picks they got 1 starter:
Derrick Dockery (lost to free agency)

In 2004 out of 4 picks they got 2 starters:
Sean Taylor (deceased)
Chris Cooley

In 2005 out of 6 picks they got 2 starters.
(Both 1st rounders.)
Carlos Rogers
Jason Campbell

In 2006 out of 6 picks they got 4 starters.
Rocky McIntosh
Anthony Montgomery
Kedrick Golston
Reed Doughty.

In 2007 out of 5 picks they got 2 starters:
LaRon Landry.
HB Blades.

In 2008 out of 10 picks they got 1 starter (so far):
Chris Horton.

So, far their worst year in the post-Marty run was last year's draft.

Offensive starters from the draft: 5 (2 QBs in the 1st round)
(1 QB requests trade.)
(1 guard lost to FA)
(3)
Special Teams Starters from the draft: 1 (Returner / RB)
Defensive Starters from the draft: 9

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

If you include the 2001 draft its 2 out of 5:
They still have 1 backup/starter (resigned) on defense.
Fred Smoot. Giving them a total of 10 on defense.
(subtracting 1 for Sean Taylor leaves the figure at 9).

6 on offense as Sage Rosenfels (yet another QB) - traded - was starting. (Still only 3 with the team).

Going to 2000 would only bring up Arrington and Samuels.
Bringing the figure up to 7 on offense (with 4 still with the team.) And defense would be 11 (9 still with the team.)

Of the seven on offense 4 are quarterbacks. That's over 50% of the total that made it. Only 3 are non-QBs.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Of the offensive draft picks still with the team: 1 OL, 1 RB, 1 QB.
Dockery would make it 2 OL. The rest all QBs.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Blah Blah Blah. What the hell is snidely owl and what exactly is your point? You are all over the map. Maps and such pharmacy out of medication.

Posted by: Springs_Tissue_Paper | December 27, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

From the draft:
On defense:
2 DL (DT): Montgomery, Golston
2 Linebackers: McIntosh, Blades
5 defensive backs: Landry, Rogers, Horton, Doughty, Smoot.

That's pretty well rounded compared to the offense.

If you go back to 2000:

1. LB (Arrington) released/injured.
1. DB/S (Taylor) deceased.
1. DB/CB (Bailey) traded.

If you include Antonio Pierce the Redskins were basically able to draft an entire starting secondary. The linebackers in a 4-3 defense. Plus 2 defensive lineman entirely from the draft. That's almost an entire starting defense, needing only a few free agents to fill in the gaps.

On offense the picture appears to be a lot gloomier. Especially given the failures at wide receiver and on the offensive line. Running back and quarterback were the only reasonably bright spots. They have been one of the best drafting at the quarterback position relatively speaking.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Why have they been so successful at drafting for defense. Free agents for defense? Coaching on defense? Since Norv Turner?

While being really quite miserable drafting for offense (with a few exceptions. Free agents for offense (with a few exceptions). And even coaching on offense? Since Norv Turner?

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If the point is that lots of draft picks don't make it and several drafts to "build through the draft", I agree.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Kind of proves the point that it's been more effective to improve starting deficiencies through free agency and draft for depth...

Posted by: siris | December 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis

The guy is the answer to many of the Skins' o-line issues as his size bassically makes him him a small NFL tackle.

If you start Heyer at right tackle and line Davis up alongside him, you get the help Heyer needs for the running game, and a guy who can delay and run patterns on 2nd and third and long.

This allows Cooley to motion, come out of the backfield or slot to become a more effective pass catcher.

Playing Fred Davis more next year also means drafting linemen--while necessary-- shouldn't be the Skins' singular issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

If you include Antonio Pierce the Redskins were basically able to draft an entire starting secondary.

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 2:51 PM

Redskins didn't even draft Pierce. He was an undrafted free agent, like Heyer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"Most ALL the best defenses play a 3-4. That means there is one tackle and he is usually not a pass rusher. The only top rated 4-3 is Washington's I think.

Posted by: periculum"

That is not even close to being true. 6 of the top 10 defenses are 4-3 defenses. Including: Philly (#3), Washington(#4), Tennessee(#5), Minnesota(#6), New York Giants(#7), and Tampa Bay(#9).

Posted by: psps23 | December 27, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The same folks picked him. I consider Pierce and Heyer like 8-? round picks.

"Redskins didn't even draft Pierce. He was an undrafted free agent, like Heyer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 27, 2008 5:03 PM "

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"That is not even close to being true. 6 of the top 10 defenses are 4-3 defenses. Including: Philly (#3), Washington(#4), Tennessee(#5), Minnesota(#6), New York Giants(#7), and Tampa Bay(#9)."

From the WIKi:

"With the Cowboys using the 3-4 for the first time in their history in 2005, the Chicago Bears and Washington Redskins are the only NFL teams which have never used the 3-4 as their base defense. Conversely, the Steelers have used the 3-4 as their base since 1982, the season after Pro Football Hall of Fame defensive tackle Mean Joe Greene and end L.C. Greenwood retired. Ironically, the Steelers may soon transition back to the 4-3 defense in the near future, as new head coach Mike Tomlin prefers the Cover 2 (or "Tampa 2") style defense. The changes won't be immediate, though, as the Steelers did retain defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, a mastermind of zone blitz schemes under the 3-4."

Posted by: periculum | December 27, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This week in good choice/bad choice

Good choice: River rafting in Chile
Bad choice: Car rafting on River Road

And that's it for this week in good choice/bad choice

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The season is over -- why risk injury to Campbell, Portis, Moss, etc.? I'll tell you why. Zorn CAN'T play the young guys tomorrow, no matter how much sense it makes.

Let's say Colt Brennan starts and throws a couple long TDs to Kelly and Thomas. Oops. Suddenly Zorn spends the offseason listening to what an incredible retard he is for not trying it sooner.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's say Colt Brennan starts and throws a couple long TDs to Kelly and Thomas. Oops. Suddenly Zorn spends the offseason listening to what an incredible retard he is for not trying it sooner.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 27, 2008 8:50 PM

Let's say Colt Brennan starts and throws three INTs. Oops. Suddenly Zorn spend the offseason listening to what an incredible retard he is for not playing his best players.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 27, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone want to make any predictions on the score?

Posted by: columbiard | December 27, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone want to make any predictions on the score?

Posted by: columbiard | December 27, 2008 9:50 PM

We did that a few days ago. 962 people made predictions.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/12/cast_your_vote.html#comments

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 27, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

You're so fun!

Posted by: columbiard | December 27, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Daggar,

Your midday take on the O-line is spot on. It's a problem that requires being fixed little by little due to contracts and roster limitations.

So far we've replaced Todd Wade with Stephon Heyer and hopefully next year Chad Rhinehart will replace Jason Fabini.

Perhaps Jansen will recognize how close he is to being out of the league - if it weren't for that contract - and work his butt off on speed and agility training.

Again the offense will be as good as the o-line or until it breaks down.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 28, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

The season is over -- why risk injury to Campbell, Portis, Moss, etc.? I'll tell you why. Zorn CAN'T play the young guys tomorrow, no matter how much sense it makes.

Let's say Colt Brennan starts and throws a couple long TDs to Kelly and Thomas. Oops. Suddenly Zorn spends the offseason listening to what an incredible retard he is for not trying it sooner.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

This is completely unfair to periculum. The guy has spent the past few days on this blog all by himself in an effort to come up stupidest post of the holiday. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, diesel_skin_ swoops in and effortlessly steals the title.

Posted by: mack1 | December 28, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Unlike Zorn, Mack1 won't be surprised to be called a retard all offseason.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Gentlemen. You can't fight in here. This is the War Room!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 28, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The season is over -- why risk injury to Campbell, Portis, Moss, etc.? I'll tell you why. Zorn CAN'T play the young guys tomorrow, no matter how much sense it makes.

Let's say Colt Brennan starts and throws a couple long TDs to Kelly and Thomas. Oops. Suddenly Zorn spends the offseason listening to what an incredible retard he is for not trying it sooner.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 27, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse


Perhaps because stupid people who get hyped up in meaningless games will get all worked up about a QB that is not ready for the NFL. This game has about as much meaning as that Panthers preseason game we played back in August. Brennan throws a couple of garbage time garbage game tds in the preseason and all of a sudden this guy is ready to win a Super Bowl. I'm surprised people like you have yet to be picked up as coaches in the NFL with all that knowledge you bring

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Brennan throws a couple of garbage time garbage game tds in the preseason and all of a sudden this guy is ready to win a Super Bowl. I'm surprised people like you have yet to be picked up as coaches in the NFL with all that knowledge you bring


Posted by: RobInVaBeach +++
I agree Colt isn't ready, may never be, but JC may not ever be either. I think the exeperiment may be over. At leats have an open competition next training camp.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Go home for a couple of days and come back to these stupid posts. Don't sign Rogers and JC. Hell if I want to go another year with Springs not playing. All this Colt talk is just silly. The Skins would be silly to let Rogers and JC go.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Colt could be another Jordan Palmer, or another Patrick Ramsay. Its doubtful he is a JC. Might as well go for McNabb if they decide to drop JC and Rogers. If that happened it would go completely against everything Vinnie said about going with youth.

They represent YOUTH and the highest draft picks made by this team. If you can't keep them then don't talk about "youth". Shut up and talk about getting rid of dead cap instead because that would be the only reason they would not return to this team.

ON that note. Why not "raid" the Oakland Raiders. Give them the 1st and maybe a 3rd for Robert Gallery, Kwame Harris.~smiles~ (fat chance). Raid the raiders for young offensive linemen. They probably want to leave.

Posted by: periculum | December 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Rudy's coach. You would probably call him stupid for liking guys like Boschetti even though all they have is heart.

Here's the stupidest post for you:
Which are the ONLY 3 Skins receivers in the hall of fame. What position did they originally play?

Mitchell, Taylor, Monk were originally running backs.

How many receivers, who were originally receivers drafted by the Skins from the 1st round to the 3rd actually contributed and made the grade?
ZERO.

Who really looks stupid again?


"This is completely unfair to periculum. The guy has spent the past few days on this blog all by himself in an effort to come up stupidest post of the holiday. "

Posted by: periculum | December 28, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Thomas can't wait to leave and get away so that he can come back out of shape, along with Colt. If he caught a TD it would be because he got open heading for the door to go home.

"TDs to Kelly and Thomas. Oops."

Posted by: periculum | December 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I heard Rush Limbaugh blamed Obama for that too ...
and he isn't even in office ... :)

"This week in good choice/bad choice

Good choice: River rafting in Chile
Bad choice: Car rafting on River Road

And that's it for this week in good choice/bad choice

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 27, 2008"

Posted by: periculum | December 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep
good morning

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Are we going to get any new threads, or have the writers packed it in for the year?

Posted by: columbiard | December 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

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