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Holmgren on Campbell: 'Have Some Patience'

As he sat in the owner's lounge at FedEx Field last night, former Seattle Seahawks Coach Mike Holmgren looked across the room at Jim Zorn and said he hoped the Redskins will give their coach the time to develop quarterback Jason Campbell.

"Here you have a young quarterback and a really good young quarterback and coach, it seems like a marriage made in heaven," said Holmgren who watched Zorn develop his star quarterback, Matt Hasselbeck, years ago in Seattle. "The thing is you have to have some patience. He's a young guy. And he may come in soon and shock everybody. Look at the young quarterback in Baltimore [Joe] Flacco, he's not being asked to do the same things as Campbell. He's not throwing the ball as much as Jason. If you're in the West Coast offense, you're going to be asked to do a lot more."

Holmgren, a devotee of the West Coast system championed by Bill Walsh in San Francisco, has played a significant role in the making of Hasselbeck, Brett Favre, Steve Young and Joe Montana. He is in Washington to see his wife Kathy and daughter Calla off on a trip to Uganda where they will work in relief centers for the next few weeks helping refugees from Congo. Thursday's event, sponsored by Zorn and his wife Joy, was in support of the organization Kathy and Calla Holmgren will be working for: Medical Teams International.

From his home near Seattle, Holmgren, who retired after the last season, said he has watched from afar as the Redskins attempted to trade for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler, then explored moving up in the draft to select USC's Mark Sanchez.

"Jim is a great communicator," Holmgren said. "I know Jason trusts him. This is important. Your starting quarterback has to trust you as a coach. Trust means a lot of things. Not just trusting that he will call the right plays. It means you are connected to him in these types of situations."

Zorn, who has been working with Campbell through the offseason and in recent organized team activities said he has kept the quarterback up to date on trade rumors and added that he believes Campbell has "handled it extremely well."

"This is the thing I appreciate about him, he doesn't mope around," Zorn said.
When asked if he felt Campbell's trust in him had been damaged, Zorn replied: "You will have to ask him."

"But I say not in the least," Zorn added. "He has a realistic view. This is happening, keep your mind off of this stuff. The way you put it to him is: 'This is a reality of life. Things don't always go the way you expect it.' Who would have expected Jay Cutler would be available in a trade? Then you say, 'what if?'"

By Les Carpenter  |  May 8, 2009; 8:58 AM ET
 
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Thanks, Holmgren. Seems to me he knows a bit about coaching, and the fact that he thinks that the zorn/campbell tandem can be successful says a lot, I think.

Posted by: -swb | May 8, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

He can say that because he is not the HC of Dan Snyder's team....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 8, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Danny and Vinny don't have the patience for a coach and QB to develop together. That's why they always want something that's good somewhere else.....not even wondering if it would work here.

Posted by: EckertA | May 8, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

would love to see Holmgren in a front office position with the skins next year.

Posted by: brian58 | May 8, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

He will get this year to prove himself. If he makes the same stupid mistakes, he's out out out.

Posted by: FedorEm | May 8, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't think "stupid mistakes" are Campbell's problem.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 8, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

RedC - I think the wife would be into watching the final, provided we could pull it off...

Date/Time?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

brian

'...would love to see Holmgren in a front office position with the skins next year....'


Good idea, but what would he do?

The team really could use a GM type whose singular purpose would be to rebuild the offense.

Holmgren might be good for this.

But dude is retired and deserves it.

PLus: we don't want to become the Seattle Seaskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Was the skins brain (damaged) trust in the room when Holmgren said this?

Posted by: mack1 | May 8, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

moe, your namesake had a tough night last night....I thought the Rays were a little bit of a fluke last year, but I'm starting to come around on them. They're starting to show me their legit.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 8, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

He can say that because he is not the HC of Dan Snyder's team....

Posted by: 4thFloor

He can say that because he has earned the right to be an authority on developing young quarterbacks, and, I suspect, would say the exact same thing if he was HC of Snyder's team.

Of course then, one might doubt his sanity.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think "stupid mistakes" are Campbell's problem.Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

I don't either.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I thought the Rays were a little bit of a fluke last year, but I'm starting to come around on them. They're starting to show me their legit.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Hmmm. Maybe their cup slipped.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Patience?

Let me go look that up in the dictionary...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Has this already been reported on the blog? I have not been able to check in lately so sorry if this is a repeat....

Mitchell to be Honored by Redskins
May 07, 2009 -- 4:08pm
Former Redskin and ESPN 980 colleague Brian Mitchell will be inducted into the Redskins Ring of Fame sometime in the 2009 season at Fed Ex Field. Mitchell played from 1990-99 and was well known as a kick returner, and is the NFL's second all time leader in total yardage (23,330), thanks in large part to his 14,014 yards from kickoff returns and his 4,999 punt return yards. Both are NFL records. He also rushed for 1,967 yards on 388 carries (avg. 5.1 rushing yards), caught 255 passes for 2,336 yards, recovered 20 fumbles for 14 return yards, and scored 29 touchdowns (four kickoff returns, nine punt returns, 12 rushing, and four receiving). His 13 special teams touchdowns are also an NFL record

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, great post, thanks for letting us know....good job by the Redskins B-Mitch, despite his attitude towards the team sometimes, deserves this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

RedC - I think the wife would be into watching the final, provided we could pull it off...

Date/Time?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

5/27. Game kicks off at 2:45pm EST, Summers in Arlington will show live and I imagine will rebroadcast around 7pm.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Mike Holmgren, but I hardly believe you have an unbiased point of view. Zorn was your protege and as such I would think you'd say nothing other than what you said.

Here's the reality: The clock is ticking. Anything less than a playoff spot might be the end of Zorn because Snyder just doesn't have the patience with coaches. I believe Snyder has made a decision on Campbell and unless Campbell has an outrageous pro-bowl season, I don't think he has a future with the team. I still believe the Redskins are very quietly looking to deal him, because, as I said, Snyder's mind is made up.

What can they do? Well, in addition to teaching his QB day and night, Jim Zorn had better revise his playbook to take advantage of Campbell's strengths while at the same time acknowledging that the offensive line is not going to be doing anyone any favors this season. Quick outs, designed bootlegs, unbalanced lines, designed rollouts, play action, and yes, occasionally putting ARE in the backfield in the Wildcat - these are the things Zorn needs to roll into his playbook. And, one last thing: he'd better get Colt ready to play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Mother's Day beckons.

So what are the best gifts?

pick'em:

flowers

phone call

brunch

slurpy Hallmark card

breaksfast in bed

dinner in a restaurant lacking a drive through window

church--yes I said that

a day long visit were you prepare her dinner

jewelry (that you use her credit card to buy)

....then there's...

visit to dad's grave in cemetary where she tells you he wasn't your real father

visit in nursing facility where she resides with people so old they still have use for rotary phones

listening to complaints about dad, another dad you had, a stepdad you don't remember, the other guy she married, another guy she was married to, someone she thinks is your real dad....

listening to uncomfortable conversation about why you suck and your millionaire brother is great just after you ask for money

listening to her tell your wife to her face she thinks your kids don't look like you

sitting through hours long storytelling and photo album viewing of dead relatives

...or Moe's favorite: the Monday morning long distance call were you tell Mom you were sick the day before and the meds made you too groggy to call.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Thank you Mike Holmgren, but I hardly believe you have an unbiased point of view. Zorn was your protege and as such I would think you'd say nothing other than what you said."

What? If his #1 priority here is to see Jim Zorn succeed, and he actually felt that Jason Campbell wasn't the answer, why in God's name would he advocate Jason Campbell as the starter for Jim Zorn?

Sorry, just not getting the logic here.

Posted by: psps23 | May 8, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

bean

The Rays are the real deal

They can beat you with home runs or speed

They can out pitch you if they have to

They play excellent defense

The group they have now should win 2-3 titles if they can keep them together...and from where I sit, that's not a bad thing for baseball.

No team looks as old as the Yanks do.

Cashman's mistake is his not seeing the age in so many of the team's key guys.

The $400 million Bombers are a bomb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@MistaMoe -- Great post. My own mom died long ago, but I'll send it to my wife and ask how she would like the kids to honor her on Sunday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

moe, yeah, TB's legit. Picking up Carlos Pena off the scrap heap for nothing was a coup for them. They've seemed to draft well also, granted they were drafting in the top spots a bunch, but they've done good for themselves.

Every year, I think that this is the year that Mo Rivera gets old, and every year he starts slow, and is unhittable come August...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 8, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

SKIPPY has a question.

He left this note slipped under my door.

"Hi. My name is Skippy and I have a metal plate in my head. Do you know Dom Snyder's phone number? Or does someone on the Redskim broad know how Skippy can contact him or his valet, the guy whose eyes exploded who loses at rocketball?

Skippy has a player The Redskims could use to play football for them on their team who is available once he gets out of rehab, according to his parole officer. Hushpuppy's Elmo Madre at which he mastricubated was the Texas A&P Fightin' Figs. He left after his sophomore year after the incident with the KY jelly,the blocking sled and the Vicar's cat..

Frederick "Hushpuppy" DePhillipo weighs 495 pounds but is on the Jimmy Craig diet and wants to play at 295, which was his burp weight. He has already lost 3 pounds by only eating food that starts with the letter "K".

Hushpuppy has been out of football for six years and has been busy going to strip clubs and exposing his junk shoolyard mailboxes.

Hushpuppy was traded six times during his two year NFL career, never started a game, and has had nine knee surgeries. Also he hit a guy with a hockey puck during bar fight with PacMan Jones. He is the EVP of Transvestite Tackles of Texas and fought for the Taliban.

Skippy just wants to help the Redskims get better and doesn't even want a founders fry for founding Hushpuppy for them. He's available after his trial for assault during a paint ball game when he shot a man in Reno just to watch him dye.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

SKIPPY has a question.

He left this note slipped under my door.

"Hi. My name is Skippy and I have a metal plate in my head. Do you know Dom Snyder's phone number? Or does someone on the Redskim broad know how Skippy can contact him or his valet, the guy whose eyes exploded who loses at rocketball?

Skippy has a player The Redskims could use to play football for them on their team who is available once he gets out of rehab, according to his parole officer. Hushpuppy's Elmo Madre at which he mastricubated was the Texas A&P Fightin' Figs. He left after his sophomore year after the incident with the KY jelly,the blocking sled and the Vicar's cat..

Frederick "Hushpuppy" DePhillipo weighs 495 pounds but is on the Jimmy Craig diet and wants to play at 295, which was his burp weight. He has already lost 3 pounds by only eating food that starts with the letter "K".

Hushpuppy has been out of football for six years and has been busy going to strip clubs and exposing his junk shoolyard mailboxes.

Hushpuppy was traded six times during his two year NFL career, never started a game, and has had nine knee surgeries. Also he hit a guy with a hockey puck during bar fight with PacMan Jones. He is the EVP of Transvestite Tackles of Texas and fought for the Taliban.

Skippy just wants to help the Redskims get better and doesn't even want a founders fry for founding Hushpuppy for them. He's available after his trial for assault during a paint ball game when he shot a man in Reno just to watch him dye.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

just seems forced cork....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 8, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH

If Snyder had patience as everyone hopes, we'd still have Steve freaking Spurrier as head coach!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

he shot a man in Reno just to watch him dye.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 10:25 AM

Man, this makes my day. Thanks, Skippy!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Come on Danny Boy has suffered from PE since his first nocturnal emission. He wants to be satisfied now and his wifey refers to him as the 30 sec man! He doesn't have any patience.

Posted by: sheepherder | May 8, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder had patience as everyone hopes, we'd still have Steve freaking Spurrier as head coach!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 10:30 AM

No -- Turner or Schottenheimer. I wonder how that would have turnered out? Like a shot in the heimer?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas Has Eye Surgery
Posted by Mike Florio on May 8, 2009, 10:32 a.m.

As we all now know, quarterback Brett Favre struggled down the stretch last year because of a serious arm injury that wasn’t disclosed until Favre was trying to offer up an excuse as to why he struggled down the stretch last year.

In that same vein, perhaps we now know why Redskins receiver Devin Thomas was a bust in his rookie year.

He couldn’t see very well.

That excuse, last used on behalf of former top-ten pick Troy Williamson-Bey, has been advanced via the Drew Rosenhaus Twitter feed.

“Devin Thomas recently had laser eye surgery and it has helped him significantly,” Rosenhaus says. “The Redskins have been very pleased with his recent work.”

And in the strange but fascinating new world that is Twitter, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen responds with this gem: “It’s not uncommon that teams discover ‘bad hands’ really meant ‘bad eyes.’ Or just OK hands & eyes.”

As a rookie, Thomas appeared in every game and made one start. But he caught only 15 passes, gained only 120 yards, and entered the end zone with the ball in his possession not a single time.

Thomas was a much-hyped member of the 2009 wideout draft class that featured none picked in round one, and a whopping ten taken in round two: Donnie Avery (No. 33), Thomas (No. 34), Jordy Nelson (No. 36), James Hardy (No. 41), Eddie Royal (No. 42), Jerome Simpson (No. 46), DeSean Jackson (No. 49), Malcolm Kelly (No. 51), Limas Sweed (No. 53), and Dexter Jackson (No. 58).

But at least Thomas fared better than his Redskins teammate, Malcolm Kelly, who played in only five games and caught only three passes for 18 yards.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder had the patience he should have then Spurrier would have never been the coach at all.

He should have let Norv finish out the season when we still had a shot at the playoffs. I didnt like the Marty hire but once he was here, he should have let him bould a winner like he's done everywhere else and then fired him once we were good.

The transition to Gibbs 2.0 would have been much more successful from Marty than it was from the Ol Ball Coach.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 8, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

bean

'...They've seemed to draft well also, granted they were drafting in the top spots a bunch, but they've done good for themselves...'


And that's what sucks about being a Yankees fan.

The other side of spending money to win is that sometimes you need multiple year's of high round draft picks to get the good young position players who keep things going.

And to get the picks in baseball, well, you have to lose a lot for a few years and be willing to ride out the time it takes to get the kids major league ready.

The Yanks didn't have the patience last year to wait on Hughes and Kennedy. They can't take on a few losing years as their payroll and fanbase won't let them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

In that same vein, perhaps we now know why Redskins receiver Devin Thomas was a bust in his rookie year.

He couldn’t see very well.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2009 10:36 AM

So now we know why he had so many penalties! He couldn't see the guy he was pushing off!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Mitchell to be Honored by Redskins
May 07, 2009 -- 4:08pm
Former Redskin and ESPN 980 colleague Brian Mitchell will be inducted into the Redskins Ring of Fame sometime in the 2009 season at Fed Ex Field. Mitchell played from 1990-99 and was well known as a kick returner, and is the NFL's second all time leader in total yardage (23,330), thanks in large part to his 14,014 yards from kickoff returns and his 4,999 punt return yards. Both are NFL records. He also rushed for 1,967 yards on 388 carries (avg. 5.1 rushing yards), caught 255 passes for 2,336 yards, recovered 20 fumbles for 14 return yards, and scored 29 touchdowns (four kickoff returns, nine punt returns, 12 rushing, and four receiving). His 13 special teams touchdowns are also an NFL record


Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 10:00 AM

You can't discount B-Mitch's resume and what he meant to the skins as a kr/pr. But to use a Steven A. Smith HOWEVER...He became expendable and was cut and then proceeded to sign with every team in our division not named the cowboys...Pathetic. Snyder owns ESPN 980 and I thought he did him a favor by hiring him to be on the worst radio shows and all B-mitch has done is make it worse. I say no to old #30 in the redskins ring of honor unless they want to prematurely put the new #30 in.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

folks why do we always play this game. Every thing Dan snyder does for this team is marketing related!

Mark Sanchez was coming here to be the GQ face of the Redskins. Same for Jay cutler.
Jay cutler, might be better than Campbell. but at what at what expense did the team have to pay for him? two 1st round picks and players? the Redskins can't afford that, this team has a number of needs well beyond QB. Let's see how Orapko helps the D line. he's the 1st D-line choice since kennard Lang, over 10-years. if they just keep their picks to get solid polayers in the 2nd round they would do a lot better.

Posted by: oknow1 | May 8, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks RedCoat!

I'll run it by the wife & confirm witcha.

I know we really enjoyed watching the cup last time. She's an ex-player so she really understands the game well. I've never figured out which style she likes, though. I'm a fan of the long-ball, and therefore happy w/ United's success lately.

I want to get out to some of those these days too. Do you attend United matches?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, great post, thanks for letting us know....good job by the Redskins B-Mitch, despite his attitude towards the team sometimes, deserves this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 8, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse


B-Mitch deserves all the accolades he earned as a player...unfortunately in his post-playing career he's kind of gone the way of John Riggins - a sourpuss and a bit of a hater...

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

In that same vein, perhaps we now know why Redskins receiver Devin Thomas was a bust in his rookie year.

He couldn’t see very well.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2009 10:36 AM

So now we know why he had so many penalties! He couldn't see the guy he was pushing off!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse


TE...you beat me to it!

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas

"...He couldn’t see very well...."

So Devin Thomas couldn't see very well last year?

I bet he could see well enough to count those NFL paychecks he was getting every Monday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey, don't under-estimate the eye surgery factor.

Cristian Guzman was hitting in the 260s before getting the laser surgery and then started to hit in the 310s-320s and made the all-star team for the Nationals.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I certainly don't want to become the seahawks. I wouldn't want Holmgren as GM, but if he served as another VP, I think that would be great. More than anything, the Skins need a longterm plan and somebody in charge of keeping Snyder/Ceratto from making rash decisions. Holmgren learned the West Coast from Bill Walsh, and if we are going to commit to this offense, we should have someone at the executive level who understands that offense. Having a guy who could tell Snyder/Ceratto, "yes, that player is a talented pro-bowler free agent, but he doesn't fit in our offense, let's keep looking" would be incredibly valuable for this organization.

Posted by: brian58 | May 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I certainly don't want to become the seahawks. I wouldn't want Holmgren as GM, but if he served as another VP, I think that would be great. More than anything, the Skins need a longterm plan and somebody in charge of keeping Snyder/Ceratto from making rash decisions. Holmgren learned the West Coast from Bill Walsh, and if we are going to commit to this offense, we should have someone at the executive level who understands that offense. Having a guy who could tell Snyder/Ceratto, "yes, that player is a talented pro-bowler free agent, but he doesn't fit in our offense, let's keep looking" would be incredibly valuable for this organization.

Posted by: brian58 | May 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Words of wisdom from Holmgren.

The sad thing is that this is exactly what everyone in the universe has been saying/thinking, except our FO and a couple of donkeys who post on RI.

Too bad the our FO's philosophy about building a winner is junk. I liken it to a guy whose future financial planning/retirement hinges on winning the lottery...I mean, hey, it happens right! Yeah, keep banking on that one...

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Interesting reading some of the comments above.

All I will really say is this. Jim is in a tough situation. And I think he will have to win alot of games to probably be able to be in DC another year. And I think just making the playoffs won't be good enough with this owner he works for. With the big name coaches that are out there Snyder will have a very hard time not wanting to hire one of them unless the Redskins go deep in the playoffs. I think it is one temptation he will not be able to pass on. He has proved too many times he lacks discipline and patience when it comes to running his team. If Jim does well and still is let go he will have the opportunity to hopefully go to an organization and work for an owner who really understands how a football team is run. He would be alot better off in that regard.

As far as who he could or would hire if he decides to do that I think it comes down to really 2 coaches: Shanahan or Gruden. Forget Holmgren or Cowher. Both of these men have the wisdom to know that working for Snyder is a mistake. They wouldn't put up with his nonsense. Not unless they had ironclad gurantees that he keeps himself out of the football operations and that they would be making all the football decisions. Men like Holmgren and Cowher are not going to put up with this kind of stuff when they could go elsewhere and not have to. Not at this stage of their lives and careers.

Posted by: afriendofzorn | May 8, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If the other option is to let Harry and LLoyd keep making decisions about the direction of the team...I'd rather be the Seahawks.

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

c'mon Diesel.. how can you negate NFL all-time records with personal feelings...

BMitch goes in dousche or not...

Heck, I think anyone w/ All-time special teams records like that should be HOF talk, not just ring of honor..

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

psps23,
The logic is simple. Zorn's fate is tied to the production of his quaterback. Holmgren understands that. Since Zorn has come forward numerous times and said Campbell is "his guy" that only reinforces the tie between the two. If Snyder trades Campbell away for anyone other than a Hasselbeck, then whatever QB they get will be going through the same agonizing learning curve that everyone said Campbell went through last year. To make it simple, Zorn supports Campbell, Holmgren supports Zorn, ergo Holmgren supports Campbell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I want to get out to some of those these days too. Do you attend United matches?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Cool, I'll wait to hear and we'll see if we can rope in any others. I haven't been to a DC United game yet, but maybe could be druggened to one!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I wonder where this notion is that JC17 is young and needs time to develop. He is approaching his 28th bday and is entering his 5th year. The FO spent 3 picks (2 to move to 25th, and the 25th to take him.) Granted he wasn't thrust into the "right situation" but I would also say that he hasn't exactly made the most of it either. The fact that he dosen't have a contract after this year, IMO is the right thing to do. If he gets out to a fast start, then they will extend him and if he struggles then that will be it. I would also add that I was not a fan of bringing Cutler because of the cost and Sanchez because he has only started 16 games and thrown under 500 passes in his college career.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas gets laser eye surgery and now he catches everything in sight (literally)? Maybe Campbell needs the same thing. Note how is accuracy is off on those deep passes. Maybe he just cannot see well enough. Being a Bull Durham fan, I just say, "hit the mascot" - Jason can always blame it on having gone through three thousand different offenses in the last six years... and I think it would be pretty funny seeing that guy dressed in an Eagle costume rolling around on the ground.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey - and if I was a Redskin from that era and saw what players are making today while I'm bustin my SJK on AM-RADIO w/ SCHLUBS who couldn't carry my jock, I'd be a Curmudgeon TOO!

Riggins was a Jet at heart, anyway.. lol. To us he's an icon, to him Broadway Joe was...

"I wanna give you a kiss!" [wipes drool from chin]

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH

If Snyder had patience as everyone hopes, we'd still have Steve freaking Spurrier as head coach!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

STEVE SPURRIER QUIT....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | May 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I take Holmgren at his word here for two reasons.

1) Because its a simple truth about patience and QB development

2) His allegiance is to Zorn and not Campbell. He could easily have said something to the effect of "I know Jim is a great communicator and QB coach and its up to the young QB to apply what he's being taught, etc."

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 8, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

On THAT one, Diesel, I fully agree. Make some noise, Soup, and then we'll worry about whether to keep you or not.

My Dad's golf game improved immensly once his eyes were right. My golf game needs a new player.. anyone but me! I'm better at FROLF!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been to a DC United game yet, but maybe could be druggened to one!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 11:01 AM

How do we druggen you, RC? You like the red ones, the blue ones, or the green ones? And how many does it take of each before you're druggened out of your mind?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What says more is that Holmgren was "pushed" into retirement by the Seahawks..

Also in this article referencing Zorny's remark about JC's trust in him..
What would it of taken for Zorny to decline the dinner invitation at that Vermont ave restaurant with Sanchez, Vinny and Snyder? Staying away from public appearances with Sanchez might of been a smarter "player's coach support" move by him, given the low odds Sanchez was coming to the Skins, at that time. Zorny doesnt seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed in this area..
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Thanks, Holmgren. Seems to me he knows a bit about coaching, and the fact that he thinks that the zorn/campbell tandem can be successful says a lot, I think.

Posted by: -swb | May 8, 2009 9:20 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The whole team needs to improve from last year, we weren't number one in any category that relates to good performance. Of course it starts with the QB he's the leader whether he wants to be or not. Jc knows it and has been improving each season. He needs to make a big jump this season to get everyone off his back and get the team to the next level. But IMO the OL, DL, WR,DBs could all step it up too. The skins haven't exactly been flush with pro bowlers the past couple years.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey - and if I was a Redskin from that era and saw what players are making today while I'm bustin my SJK on AM-RADIO w/ SCHLUBS who couldn't carry my jock, I'd be a Curmudgeon TOO!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse
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this is funny

Posted by: thor2 | May 8, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

c'mon Diesel.. how can you negate NFL all-time records with personal feelings...

BMitch goes in dousche or not...

Heck, I think anyone w/ All-time special teams records like that should be HOF talk, not just ring of honor..

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 10:58 AM

Granted I'm as bitter about B-mitch as he was about getting released. He deserves the ring of honor based on his resume of work and not the dousche he became after the burgundy and gold was ripped off his back. As far as the HOF, He goes in after Ray Guy goes in...

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I would say Shanny is in the lead on this.. He has buddy connections with Vinny from Vinny's San Fran 49'ers days in the 90's.. You know, that other dynasty that was deconstructed.

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afriendofzorn wrote: As far as who he could or would hire if he decides to do that I think it comes down to really 2 coaches: Shanahan or Gruden. Forget Holmgren or Cowher. Both of these men have the wisdom to know that working for Snyder is a mistake. They wouldn't put up with his nonsense. Not unless they had ironclad gurantees that he keeps himself out of the football operations and that they would be making all the football decisions. Men like Holmgren and Cowher are not going to put up with this kind of stuff when they could go elsewhere and not have to. Not at this stage of their lives and careers.

Posted by: afriendofzorn | May 8, 2009 10:56 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I actually think Snyder will keep Zorn around as long as we win 9 or more games. Maybe even 7 or 8.

3-13 though, and he's gone.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

t_e if you can have gooderer, I can have druggened. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What would it of taken for Zorny to decline the dinner invitation at that Vermont ave restaurant with Sanchez, Vinny and Snyder? Staying away from public appearances with Sanchez might of been a smarter "player's coach support" move by him, given the low odds Sanchez was coming to the Skins, at that time. Zorny doesnt seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed in this area..

Would you turn down a dinner with your bosses and a potential new hire just because the new guy does the same work as one of your good friends? You'll really look like the sharpest tool in the shed in the unemployment line.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Also, look how Vinny has left the Offense
in a low cap and short term contract basis..No major FA or Draft acquisitions. Seems to be an enticement for a new Offensive minded head coach (ie Shanny) to mold the offense his way..

I would say Shanny is in the lead on this.. He has buddy connections with Vinny from Vinny's San Fran 49'ers days in the 90's.. You know, that other dynasty that was deconstructed.

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afriendofzorn wrote: As far as who he could or would hire if he decides to do that I think it comes down to really 2 coaches: Shanahan or Gruden. Forget Holmgren or Cowher. Both of these men have the wisdom to know that working for Snyder is a mistake. They wouldn't put up with his nonsense. Not unless they had ironclad gurantees that he keeps himself out of the football operations and that they would be making all the football decisions. Men like Holmgren and Cowher are not going to put up with this kind of stuff when they could go elsewhere and not have to. Not at this stage of their lives and careers.

Posted by: afriendofzorn | May 8, 2009 10:56 AM |

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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Good for Mitchell. He was one of my favorite players. One of my favorite moments was in the body bag game, even though the iggles were handing it to the skins, he came in at QB (as a rookie I think) and led the skins down the field for a TD.

Posted by: skinswest | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

You'll really look like the sharpest tool in the shed in the unemployment line.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget that coaches salaries are ga-ron-teed in the NFL. If Snyder fires Zorn, he gets to give him several million dollars over the next few years to have him go away.

Zorn's ego may get dented in the process, but financially, the guy has ZERO downside in this deal.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder where this notion is that JC17 is young and needs time to develop. He is approaching his 28th bday and is entering his 5th year. The FO spent 3 picks (2 to move to 25th, and the 25th to take him.) Granted he wasn't thrust into the "right situation" but I would also say that he hasn't exactly made the most of it either. The fact that he dosen't have a contract after this year, IMO is the right thing to do. If he gets out to a fast start, then they will extend him and if he struggles then that will be it. I would also add that I was not a fan of bringing Cutler because of the cost and Sanchez because he has only started 16 games and thrown under 500 passes in his college career."

I dont disagree with most of this but Campbell IS a "young" QB in terms of the number of starts he's had and the time he has had to develop in a system.

Of course, we'd love to have Peyton or Brady but the truth is that most QBs take time on the field and in the playbook. Look at some of the Super Bowl QBs from this decade. Kerry Collins, Trent Dilfer, Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck. Hell, Kurt Warner couldnt get a job in this league until he was around 28. And people were calling Eli "She-Li" until the Gints went on that run in 07'. Most Qbs take years to develop.

If you look at the numbers Campbell has improved every year. He will never be Peyton or Brady but those guys are few and far between and you dont need them to get to or even win a Super Bowl.

Im all for replacing Campbell if he doesnt get it done this year. But the team needs to be smart about it. Morgating future number 1s for Cutler or Sanchez would have been bad moves IMO. Lets see what Campbell can do this year. He still has A LOT of football ahead of him.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead: "The clock is ticking. Anything less than a playoff spot might be the end of Zorn because Snyder just doesn't have the patience with coaches."

True enough. Somebody referred to a website the other day for comparisons of red zone efficiency from 2001 through last season. It hit me that since Norv wsa fired in the midst of the 2000 season, we've had four head coaches -- all with quite different offensive schemes. You couldn't find four guys more different than Marty, Spurrier, Gibbs, and Zorn...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"The logic is simple. Zorn's fate is tied to the production of his quaterback. Holmgren understands that. Since Zorn has come forward numerous times and said Campbell is "his guy" that only reinforces the tie between the two. If Snyder trades Campbell away for anyone other than a Hasselbeck, then whatever QB they get will be going through the same agonizing learning curve that everyone said Campbell went through last year. To make it simple, Zorn supports Campbell, Holmgren supports Zorn, ergo Holmgren supports Campbell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead "

sorry but you make it sound like no QB in the league can come in and have a better year next year than JC will have, which isn't true at all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"If Snyder trades Campbell away for anyone other than a Hasselbeck, then whatever QB they get will be going through the same agonizing learning curve that everyone said Campbell went through last year."

"To make it simple, Zorn supports Campbell, Holmgren supports Zorn, ergo Holmgren supports Campbell."

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Your two statements here, though not necessarily mutually exclusive, seem to contradict themselves. By stating that you'd expect nothing else to come out of Holmgren's mouth because Zorn was his protege, you're insinuating that Holmgren is purely speaking on the protection of Jim Zorn, not on his actual belief in Jason Campbell.

Yet you state that any QB, short of one already masterfully versed in the system, would 'struggle' the way Campbell has in year 1 of this complicated scheme. That's exactly what Holmgren was inferring. That idea alone has nothing to do with Jim Zorn. That's the idea with any QB in any West Coast scheme under any coach. So again, why would Holmgren's comment be based purely on his ties to Zorn, and NOT to the content of his assertions, which you reiterated in the first comment up above?

Posted by: psps23 | May 8, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

right cuz joe gibbs didn't go for it either. joe had some nonsense filled bad years here, sean taylor nonwithstanding.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"STEVE SPURRIER QUIT....

Posted by: 15600_sknfan |"

oh yeah


well so did Gibbs 2.0


so that's two people that quit. It's been a lot, but Snyder has admitted he made a mistake with Marty, and other than that I don't think it's been too bad.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

You'll really look like the sharpest tool in the shed in the unemployment line.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget that coaches salaries are ga-ron-teed in the NFL. If Snyder fires Zorn, he gets to give him several million dollars over the next few years to have him go away.

Zorn's ego may get dented in the process, but financially, the guy has ZERO downside in this deal.

Unemployed though, right?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Given I was hired to develop and groom the one player that Sanchez was replacing.. And my company happens to be in the public's eye every second of the day in DC (radio, tv, newspapers). No it wasnt necessary for Zorn to be seen at that time with Sanchez.. It was stupid.. Not just JC heard/read the story and saw the pics of the four of them yuking it up.. but so did the other 52 players.. All this while Zorn is saying "JC is his man" to the WaPo writers. I am sure it undermined their trust of the Head Coach..its just human nature. It put Zorn in the same double-speak category as Vinny and Snyder. The risk wasnt worth the reward...dumb move, Zorny.
If Sanchez was signed and on board.. different story. "Welcome to the company".

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What would it of taken for Zorny to decline the dinner invitation at that Vermont ave restaurant with Sanchez, Vinny and Snyder? Staying away from public appearances with Sanchez might of been a smarter "player's coach support" move by him, given the low odds Sanchez was coming to the Skins, at that time. Zorny doesnt seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed in this area..

Would you turn down a dinner with your bosses and a potential new hire just because the new guy does the same work as one of your good friends? You'll really look like the sharpest tool in the shed in the unemployment line.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:24 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

lilhollywood10, would you agree there's a difference between 'unemployed' and 'unemployed on a guaranteed salary of $1M+ per year for another 3 years'?

Worse still, your front office's reputation is SO low that Zorn would probably walk into another job (and STILL get to receive Danny's money, same as GG did) because another team would believe the Skins were chumps to get rid of him....

I'm still having trouble finding the downside for Zorn. Help me.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 8, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"I'm still having trouble finding the downside for Zorn. Help me.

Posted by: Redcoat "

He's a QB coach, not a head coach.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

just seems forced cork....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I've written humor for enough years to know not all of it works.

But your comment reminds me of the time Orel Hershheiser was heckled by a drunk fan who bragged he could hit him. Replied Orel: "Grab a bat."

Love to see your sense of humor on display here. By all means, grab a bat.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 8, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

yall are wildin. if danny and vinny are the evil empire like people say they are, then zorn would have to know that the personal affront to his higher ups wouldn't be received well. Going to dinner with a potential draft pick seems harmless to me regardless of the position. JC has taken this whole thing very well, he and zorn are on the same page.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs did better than anyone else did with this SJKpile of a team than anyone since... Gibbs.

And I'd want Zorn gone if he doesn't win at least one playoff game this year too. Same w/ Soup. Experiment over.

We should have at least been IN last year. That decline was uunneecceessaarryy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 8, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

What if 9-7 but no playoffs?? Does Zorn stay?? With quality Head Coach's hanging low on the vines..?? I think Snyder being Snyder would pull the trigger and grab Shanny.. Zorn could get an Offer to stay as QB coach if JC stays.. Zorn has always been considered in the top 5 of QB coaches both NFC and AFC. Too bad he never practiced calling a game as an OC.
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actually think Snyder will keep Zorn around as long as we win 9 or more games. Maybe even 7 or 8.

3-13 though, and he's gone.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009 11:22 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Regarding DEVIN THOMAS

I once had glasses thick enough to fry ants. I've had two detached retinas, and two cataract surgeries. Now I don't wear glasses and have 20-20 vision. So I know improved vision is not only possible but a very good thing.

However, I've never known my bad eyes to make me forget where I was supposed to sit when posting, not did they cause a coach to declare me "out of shape."

It might explain why Devin ran smack dab into his own player during a goal line play last year.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"sorry but you make it sound like no QB in the league can come in and have a better year next year than JC will have, which isn't true at all.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

Name the last QB you've seen step in in his first season of a WEST COAST offense, with no seasons prior learning the system, and have a significantly better year than Campbell had last season.

I'll even start a list of WCO QBs in the past that stepped into a similar situation. You can look them up yourself:

Donovan McNabb - PHI
Jeff Garcia - SFO
Rich Gannon - OAK
Matt Hasselbeck - SEA
Brett Favre - GB
Brad Johnson - TB
Jake Plummer - DEN
Charlie Batch - DET
Joey Harrington - DET

Compare those guys' first seasons with no prior learning to Campbell's first season. And remember, towards the top there are 4 combined MVPs and 15-20 combined pro-bowl trips in there. Now tell me if any of these guys lit it up in their first seasons, or even came close to it (I'll give you a hint, only Brad Johnson came close).

Posted by: psps23 | May 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The downside would be that IF zorn wants to keep his job until the end of the contract he wouldnt'd be getting to do that. If he wanted to be the head coach of this team he wouldn't be able to do that anymore if he were fired.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I hd th e seme eyee surdgdy and it wercked fore me.
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Regarding DEVIN THOMAS

I once had glasses thick enough to fry ants. I've had two detached retinas, and two cataract surgeries. Now I don't wear glasses and have 20-20 vision. So I know improved vision is not only possible but a very good thing.

However, I've never known my bad eyes to make me forget where I was supposed to sit when posting, not did they cause a coach to declare me "out of shape."

It might explain why Devin ran smack dab into his own player during a goal line play last year.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 11:48 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

psps: "Name the last QB you've seen step in in his first season of a WEST COAST offense, with no seasons prior learning the system, and have a significantly better year than Campbell had last season. "

It's a big jump, no doubt. Most of those QBs came from backgrounds where you were taught to look deep first on every play. All of a sudden they're asked to look wide and/or underneath.

Takes a while to adjust your brain to respond automatically the way the coach wants it to.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

someone help me out here??
What was the last pure west coast offense team to win a Super Bowl??
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psps: "Name the last QB you've seen step in in his first season of a WEST COAST offense, with no seasons prior learning the system, and have a significantly better year than Campbell had last season. "

It's a big jump, no doubt. Most of those QBs came from backgrounds where you were taught to look deep first on every play. All of a sudden they're asked to look wide and/or underneath.

Takes a while to adjust your brain to respond automatically the way the coach wants it to.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 11:57 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417 quoted Mike Florio:

As a rookie, Thomas(Devin) appeared in every game and made one start. But he caught only 15 passes, gained only 120 yards, and entered the end zone with the ball in his possession not a single time.
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Please don't quote Mike Florio anymore. Devin Thomas scored a TD against the Giants.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 8, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I followed JC17 @ Auburn and he was inconsistent his first 3 years and finally showed promise his senior season and led war eagle to an undefeated year with the help of 2 top 4 picks @ RB. The skins did everything but send out a league wide fax that we were going to take JC w/ the 25th pick. If he was high on any other teams board they could have leap frogged us and grabbed him. That of course didn't happen and here we are 5 years later and we still don't know exactly what we have in JC17. Too many excuses have been made for 17 and this year it's time for him to prove himself. Off the field he exudes class and is everything you would want so I'm rooting for him to succeed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

anti-campbell= some bloggers/fans & SNYDER

pro-campbell= some bloggers/fans & HOLMGREN

I knew I was right already, but now I know even more.

I wonder if HOLMGREN likes Portis???

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 8, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren makes words plain and simple, and what he's saying is what I've been saying for the longest... Question is, will management listen? LOL

Posted by: ntlekt | May 8, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Daniel Snyder and the "We Should Start Colt Brennan" Dummies are paying attention to what a Super Bowl Winning Coach has to say. I guess Snyder's too busy trying to get his fantasy roster straight and the Dummies are trying to figure out how they're gonna get Colt to come to their next Keg party.

Posted by: moseley_brian | May 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

.....Too many excuses have been made for 17 and this year it's time for him to prove himself. Off the field he exudes class and is everything you would want so I'm rooting for him to succeed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 12:03 PM

Me & HOLMGREN disagree with your opinion

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 8, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Do you have to make an excuse for a player who is playing well? Do you have to make an excuse for a player who has improved every season?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 8, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Holmgren. Seems to me he knows a bit about coaching, and the fact that he thinks that the zorn/campbell tandem can be successful says a lot, I think.
Posted by: -swb | May 8, 2009

pabrian2003 I think stated this right ... albeit a differently than I would ...

IMHO:

Zorn/Campbell were Vinny's idea. As were "the three amigos' our 2nd round picks from last year to help this partnership work. Making him head coach "pro-tem" was also Vinny's idea.

Snyder, like many very young fans on this blog, became incensed with the failures that occurred last year. Immediately jumped in, guns blazing ... Haynesworth, Hall, Cutler, Sanchez ... finally it appears that Vinny, Zorn and I suspect Dr. Blache convinced him not to mortgage the future for a quarterback like Sanchez when you have plenty of firepower at the position already at home. Like the very young fans Snyder sees only pass rush, forgets that you have to stop the run first, before you can even think about 3rd and long. That the DL isn't going to end every play before it starts so you need guys who can make open field tackles and dominate in the secondary. But then Snyder is an uber fan and never was a very good football man. He understands celebrity, but not the hard work that occurs in the trenches.

That still remains the case. The Redskins certainly are not the Jets when it comes to the QB position. They have other problems there starting with their offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Donnie Avery (No. 33), Thomas (No. 34), Jordy Nelson (No. 36), James Hardy (No. 41), Eddie Royal (No. 42), Jerome Simpson (No. 46), DeSean Jackson (No. 49), Malcolm Kelly (No. 51), Limas Sweed (No. 53), and Dexter Jackson (No. 58)."

That was weird, wasn't it? No WRs in the first -- zero, zip, nada. Was there a message there?

Here's how the other teams fared:
Avery, SL - 53 for 674, 12.7avg, 3TDs
Nelson, GB - 33 for 366, 11.1, 2TD
Hardy, Buf - 9 for 87, 9.7, 0TD
Ed Royal, Den - 91 for 980, 10.8, 5TD
Jerome Simpson Cin - 1 for 2, 2.0, 0TD
DeSean J, Phil - 62 for 912, 14.7 2TD
Sweed, Pitt - 6 for 64, 10.7, 0TD
Dex Jackson, Cin - 0 for 0, 0 0

Interesting that the 3 biggest producers were little fast guys.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Please don't quote Mike Florio anymore. Devin Thomas scored a TD against the Giants.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 8, 2009

Weeb Eubank you are not. Not to begrudge him his first NFL TD, but Devin Thomas scored on an end-around. A running play. Not a passing play. Pass receiver is his position not running back.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I once had glasses thick enough to fry ants. I've had two detached retinas, and two cataract surgeries. Now I don't wear glasses and have 20-20 vision. So I know improved vision is not only possible but a very good thing.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 11:48 AM |

Maybe if you'd given up mastrubation you could have skipped the surgery?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

so that's two people that quit. It's been a lot, but Snyder has admitted he made a mistake with Marty, and other than that I don't think it's been too bad.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 8, 2009

Sounds like something McCarthur might have said when they were evacuating him from Bataan.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

And, one last thing: he'd better get Colt ready to play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 10:03 AM


Ha ha, please don't flatter yourself. Everything else you said on your thread is "prime rib" However, your last sentence is purely raw. The only way Colt would even smell reg. season game is if and only if, Campbell and Collins are both seriously injured.

Posted by: abxinc | May 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Have Some Patience? 20 years! My son is 12 and has seen nothing but a REDSKIN LOSERS. I wish he could of felt what I felt in RFK!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | May 8, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't be suprised if you hear "Redskins are after Holmgren as GM".Holmgren would be the off season "splash" that wasn't accomplished in the draft.

Posted by: kevin_jackson1 | May 8, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

For Snyder not to have fired Zorn after last season may have taken some patience that he may not have had 10 years ago. Having said that, he may be a bit impatient with JC as this recent off season revealed.

As fans, we have less patience than Snyder. One minute we say we should develop young talent and build through the draft...the next minute, we've declared the 2008 draft class a bust!

Go figure!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

just seems forced cork....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I've written humor for enough years to know not all of it works.

But your comment reminds me of the time Orel Hershheiser was heckled by a drunk fan who bragged he could hit him. Replied Orel: "Grab a bat."

Love to see your sense of humor on display here. By all means, grab a bat.

Posted by: TheCork

A good comedian can take the criticism in stride without saying "Oh yea?! Well you try to be funny!" They also wouldn't rely on message board responses to validate their humor.

Posted by: Alvin_Walton | May 8, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

PLus: we don't want to become the Seattle Seaskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Actually I would....lately they have made the playoffs pretty consistently, won their division multiple times and were in a Super Bowl that they nearly won (horrendous officiating didn't help them). Sounds better than what we have done lately.

Posted by: Alvin_Walton | May 8, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

WOW!...I had to stop reading this stuff. I think the team will be all right. There are some worries, but I believe the Skins will be the team to get back into the playoffs. Let's first start thinking about winning the games at home, and they seem to be a good road team if they don't go into CONSERVATIVE MODE!

Anyone rememember the playoff season when the Skins played the Giants at FedEx, and kicked their butts. Brunnell got hurt in that game, and Pat Ramsey had to come in, and people kinda cheered that Brunnell, got hurt. Well Ramsey threw a few balls over the receivers head, and the crowd starting booing him, until he threw a TD.

PATIENCE will be the key word this season. Anyways, I'll be cheering from Iraq this year, and have to deal with all the Cowboys, and Eagles fans in my unit.

Take care and God Bless!

Posted by: WARPATH85 | May 8, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Mother's Day beckons.

So what are the best gifts?

pick'em:

flowers

phone call

brunch

slurpy Hallmark card

breaksfast in bed

dinner in a restaurant lacking a drive through window

church--yes I said that

a day long visit were you prepare her dinner

jewelry (that you use her credit card to buy)

....then there's...

visit to dad's grave in cemetary where she tells you he wasn't your real father

visit in nursing facility where she resides with people so old they still have use for rotary phones

listening to complaints about dad, another dad you had, a stepdad you don't remember, the other guy she married, another guy she was married to, someone she thinks is your real dad....

listening to uncomfortable conversation about why you suck and your millionaire brother is great just after you ask for money

listening to her tell your wife to her face she thinks your kids don't look like you

sitting through hours long storytelling and photo album viewing of dead relatives

...or Moe's favorite: the Monday morning long distance call were you tell Mom you were sick the day before and the meds made you too groggy to call.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 8, 2009 10:16 AM

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE SKINS? KEEP TO THE TOPIC A-HOLE

Posted by: KurtShanaman | May 8, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I say instead of an 18 game shcedule that is being bandied about. How about we make 8 games.....We'd makes the play-off every year....No wait....Make it 5 game we go to heck in a hand basket after 8...........Oh and PS..........happy Mothers Day Danny...Because you are one giant Mother............

Posted by: BingCreole | May 8, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I was bent out of shape because Colt was the main interview on Comcast sport net or whatever. They were listing him as 6'3" and I'm thinking it just as likely that he is 7'3". Him and the center from UConn. But I looked and found something more interesting. His coach at Hawaii was June Jones (and Jerry Glanville was brought in as an assistant at some point). I keep thinking Jerry Jones but that is the Dallas-brenner. The run and shoot. The Glanville, Jones, Jeff George Bermuda Triangle.

Then I remember the first thing Snyder did coming into the league was sign Jeff George. With Colt being mini-George. More like a Dillinger. A .22 for the run and gun. Things we get in our head. Explains a lot. Campbell needs to learn the "Dirty Bird" to solidify his position.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 9, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has LOST his mind. New episodes this fall.

Posted by: chavez66 | May 9, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

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