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How Will Redskins Fare over Next 3?

The Redskins' next three opponents are a collective 0-8 at the moment, with Carolina playing tonight, and two of those games are at FedEx Field. Tell us how you think they'll do.


By Cindy Boren  |  September 28, 2009; 9:30 AM ET
 
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Either everybody's sleeping late, or all of the media is trying to knock down doors to get the scoop on what's changing at Redskin Park. Here's the next poll question Cindy: How many phone calls and text messages you think have been sent to every "unnamed source" the media guys have ever used to find out if Zorn is being fired or not?

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Apart from our horrible defense and stagnant offense, we'll be fine.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

1st to say The Redskins listen to the Media and the Fans WAY too much...

They need to isolate theirselves from all of us.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Redskins can't beat an egg!

Posted by: OMFG | September 28, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Redskins can't beat an egg!

Posted by: OMFG | September 28, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has to know he doesn't have long, if I were him I would just open up the offense and let JC go crazy. I would go no huddle the whole game, I would sit CP and put AA out there.

Same thing for Blache, screw this bend don't break. I would go after the QB like he beat up my mother.

they have to do something special over the next few weeks or both of them are gone, and rightfully so.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is safe, for now

Posted by Mike Florio on September 28, 2009 8:40 AM ET

Last night, Peter King of NBC explained that the Redskins won't be firing Jim Zorn in the wake of Sunday's loss to the Redskins Lions because Zorn wears too many hats. (And, apparently, his hair looks the way it does from one of the hats Zorn has been wearing.)

Zorn also is the quarterbacks coach and the person who calls the plays. So, if he goes, the replacement would have to be able to step right in and take over those functions.

(Mike Shanahan.)

The problem is that there's no one on the staff to whom owner Daniel Snyder would hand the reins on an interim basis. As King points out in Monday Morning Quarterback, defensive coordinator Greg Blache likely wouldn't get the nod, given that the defense surrendered 381 yards to the lowly Lions. Other than offensive line coach Joe Bugel, there's no one who would be able to step in and give the team a chance of turning things around.

(Mike Shanahan.)

Besides, in-season coaching changes usually (except in Oakland) are made at the launch of the bye week. For the Redskins, October 26 is the date to watch. On that night, they host the Eagles to conclude a quartet of games that should result in at least two wins, possibly three, and ideally four. If the 'Skins win one or none between now and then, Zorn could be gone.

If, that is, there's someone who can take his place.

(Mike Shanahan.)

And we're kidding about the stuff in parentheses. Until January, that is.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

What if by some miracle of God, the 'Skins won their next 13 games? That would definitely prove the existence of an all-powerful higher being.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

You also needed to add and "I have no freakin' idea" to the possible answers Cindy, cuz at this point, you never know what how this could play out. We've seen some pretty strange things over the years.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

wow, was hoping for more of an update on injuries or the pulse of the team, than another poll...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter to me - I won't be watching. This team has taken the last dollar out of my pocket until things have significantly changed.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 28, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Adam Scefter: Redskins not expected to make any moves with Jim Zorn - at least not now. He calls plays, works with Campbell, too much to replace in season

IF this is true, we are in for an embarrassing season as the players walk thru the motions & show no heart. How low can they sink....

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I know it's been said over and over again last night. But there were SOOOO many bad things that happened yesterday. For me the worst were not scoring on that first possession where we just manhandled them and did what we wanted in the air. Not scoring gave them a ton of confidence. The play that pissed me off the most was not even trying to throw the ball in the endzone for the last play of the game. What the he11 is that????? I just watched the Brett Favre highlight of taking them down for the game winning drive and hitting that beautiful TD for the win. I'm not saying that we would have completed the pass, but at least try!!! That stupid short pass and lateral drill NEVER works!!! NEVER!!!!!

Posted by: johntaylor2 | September 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato needs to go! Briging the whole freakin west coast nonsense to Wash is offensive in itself! We don't do west coast here! We should not be following we should be leading! Damn shame you can't fire an owner!

Posted by: OMFG | September 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

There's no way Zorn will be fired.

1st, he is the only Coach that really knows the WCO. Sherman Smith (The OC) came from Tennese Titans who do not run the WCO. So, he in essence is learning it himself. And Stump Mitchell is just a flunky...

2nd, Zorn is the QB Coach. Though I think that Meidt guy can step in........
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Just wait until the end of the season and you get rid of Campbell and Zorn at the same time.......Bring in Shanahan and we should be straight and go steal a QB......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Does Reid not have post-game access to players and coaches??

Can we get some actual quotes/thoughts from the actual people involved in yesterday's debacle?

We got a couple snippets from Haynesworth and then a friggin' Jon Jansen post.

What's the dilly?

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

flound agreed on both offense and defense, throw it all over the field, throw it until the other team stops it, and ugh, this defense just blows......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

who cares? they aren't good, they aren't going to be good, and they don't even seem to care. How can a team with everything on the line like they had come out so flat and get utterly dominated by the freaking Lions. It furthers my belief that Zorn has lost this team.....no way a team that cares about their coach plays that flat and uninspired after the week of speculation they just went through unless they don't want him around...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

4th, why do you want Shannahan? He couldn't get anything done in Denver after Elway left, what makes you think he would get it done here without Elway?

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

zj,

You could be correct.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I say get a top flight GM and let him hire a coach, forget all those big name guys they arn't personell guys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Wonder did Synder first met Cerrato? Fantasy football league?

I'll bet Synder must have found Cerrato in the fantasy football league and thought he was a genius, because that's exactly how he is running this team!

Posted by: sagaliba | September 28, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Nothing on this blog, or about the Redskins, is worth reading until FIRE VINNY CERRATO breaks across my screen.

Posted by: ThisGuy | September 28, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

yeah zj, you may be right. At the very least, you raise a good question.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Nothing on this blog, or about the Redskins, is worth reading until VINNY CERRATO FIRED breaks across my screen.

Posted by: ThisGuy | September 28, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Need to bench Campbell, play Collins, and find out if the problem is Zorn's offense or Jason Campbell's ability.

If it's the latter, then they'll at least know which position to draft in April.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

After week 1 i said that i would wait until Week 6 before dismissing Zorn. I couldn't! After last week i held strong but after yesterday, enough is enough. The only thing that would save zorn is my eyes is if this whole week the Redskins are practicing in full pads.

I know it's dumb and can risk injury and blal blal blal but the players don't deserve any better.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

OFFFENSE: F
DEFENSE: F
COACHING: F
REDSKINS INSIDER: F

how about some friggin' insight. who gives a baker's fart about jon jansen?

Posted by: ThisGuy | September 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

When will you people realize that I know what I am talking about?

I am the Sports Guru... believe that.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 8:39 AM


Probably when you lay off JC and shift your profound hate to the men that are the REAL problem here: Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 8:45 AM |

Done!

From what I have seen with Jim Zorn saying he would bench SOnny for stepping outside of his control, and listening to Jason Campbell on Lavar's show, I think Jason Campbell is probably a very very good quarterback, but has always towed the company line.

Our immediate problem is Jum Zorn, our next problem is Vinny Ceratto, but our main problem is The Danny... plain and simple!

This team will NEVER be any good until The Danny hires a GM who knows what they are doing, and allows the GM to hire a coach that knows what they are doing.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

++conjecture alert++

I think Corny Zorny has completely lost the team. His panty-waste like rants on the sidelines are like the worst tantrums of Norv and Spurrier mashed up into one ugly display. The body language says it all. Zorn is often alone on the sidelines I noticed yesterday and he looks completely shell shocked.

Last week I got smacked around a bit for suggesting this but the drip drips from the locker room and people who cover the team will be gushes by the bye week.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21: I don't think it'll matter if Zorn get's fired, any new coach is almost assuredly going to want to get his own QB. If Zorn is gone(now or at the end of the season) JC won't be here either.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What if by some miracle of God, the 'Skins won their next 13 games? That would definitely prove the existence of an all-powerful higher being.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake

Yes, and I'm sure God values appeasing we Skins fans over war and famine and disease... lol!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 28, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Flounder and others: the search has to START with replacing Danny/Vinny at the top of the football organization, and then that dude hires the next coaching staff... we can dream...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

4th, why do you want Shannahan? He couldn't get anything done in Denver after Elway left, what makes you think he would get it done here without Elway?

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:49 AM |

I don't want him. Snyder wants him. And what Snyder wants, he gets.

So, I have to concede that point and forget all wishful thinking. Then move forward from there.....

The Inevitable

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's only problem is he trusts Cerrato waaaaay too much. Snyder's issues are very fixable, if he will just get "football" guys in here and get out of the way he'll be fine. Cerrato and Zorn are not fixable.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers will NEVER be an NFL caliber defensive back.

The guy has been an a-hole, since he dropped the would be playoff winning pick 6 against the Seasquawks a few years back.

I have never seen an NFL team hold on to non talents as much as the Redskins do... while allowing our true talent to go elsewhere.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

gotcha 4th, so we would simply continue to repeat history. That would be sad. Very, very sad.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The funny/sad thing about the PKing and Florio bits is that it's true!

Snerrato took a career position-coach and dumped so many new responsibilities on him that they can't even get rid of the guy midseason!!

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"..we are in for an embarrassing season as the players walk thru the motions & show no heart. How low can they sink.."

Hopefully, top five, 2010 draft low.

I mean, the season schedule is front-loaded with weak teams (bucs, rams, lions, chiefs).

And we're stinking up the joint.

But after the bye, the saints, chargers, falcons, broncos, plus the usual NFC East Beasts make up the schedule.

It might get real low real fast.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Riggins calling Snyder a loser was a nice touch yesterday.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"I'm with Flounder and others: the search has to START with replacing Danny/Vinny at the top of the football organization, and then that dude hires the next coaching staff... we can dream...

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Me too. I happen to believe M. Brown could be the guy. Just make Vinny CEO of Snyder Media and make Brown a legit football man GM. Then let him lead coaching search.

BUTT if this team is going to suck, and get blown up anyway, can I at least get the satisfaction of see Zorn run out of town now? I am sick of watching his corny azz. Dude turns my stomach. Just make that Meidt kid interim coach and see if you catch some youth lightening in a bottle.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

It's been a rough weekend of football, but this'll make you feel better regardless of rooting interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

This is the type of situation where past teams would just rally around Joe Gibbs. You didn't think the team could sink any lower, then the all-pros start playing like all-pros, the overmatched starters begin playing beyond their standards, and the collective units start looking greater than the sum of their talents.

Joe Gibbs would flip this situation in a week's time. What will Zorn do?

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Riggins calling Snyder a loser was a nice touch yesterday.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse


I know.

Under normal circumstances, I'd be ripping Riggo for being a donkey (which I believe he is).

But that's just classic and true...

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I have only heard 2 people give any post game interviews Campbell and Hall. Hall called out everyone on the team Campbell did what he always does toe the line not throw anyone under the bus.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, I think where you and others are coming from is that having failed twice now with "project" coaches (Spurrier and Zorn) who were doing it for the first time at this level, Snyder's attention will be focused on available dudes who are sporting shiny championship rings.

The pendulum swings back... the problem is he's already played his ultimate "proven commodity" ace in the hole, that guy who brought three of those shiny championship rings to Washington in days of yore, and he ain't walkin' through that door again.

I don't know who I want as coach, but it's not Jim Zorn, it's not Steve Mariucci, it's not Jim Fassel, it's not Shanahan... ah hell, I dunno... I want the friggin' team to heal itself and not be so embarrassing the rest of the season, is what I want...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

IMO the problem we're in right now is a continuity problem. Snyder tried so hard to hang onto everything Gibbs II while changing the offense that he ended up having no legitimate head coaching candidate willing to take a job where his staff, his style of offense, and his personnel would be dictated to him before he even walks in the door.....and who would? The hire should have been Gregg, pure and simple, once he wasn't chosen we were screwed. I think Snyder will blow it all up and give one of the big names out there all the money and control to fix things. And if its our only shot at getting rid of fing Vinny then I say can we start this week?

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

LaVar ripped Snyder pretty good too. I read it over at extremeskins, he got kinda personal.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

CL,

They can't get any worse so what different does it make who takes over. I think you will get your wish just not this week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

A team in such dire straits needs to look for a spark from somewhere. Sometimes lightning strikes when a key personnel move his made. This could be the case with the Redskins. I'd bench Campbell. He may not be responsible for all of the misery but he really hasn't played that well. People say he was better yesterday but what was with the fumble-itis? Plus, from what I saw there was one interception and another that could have been a pick six if the defender had held onto the football. Put Collins in for the next game. I'd put the best run blockers in the game because the offense has to start with the run. BMW should be in for Heyer and I think Montgomery should go in for Rabach. Portis doesn't have his wind now. He's good for one good run per game and that's it. I don't think he is done, but I do think he is not in game shape. Let Betts start and get the bulk of the carries. Meanwhile, I would be running Portis to death in practice, and giving him a handful of carries in games.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 28, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Notes From Fantasyland:

"...the search has to START with replacing Danny/Vinny at the top of the football organization, and then that dude hires the next coaching staff..."


Sir, the redskins are in a "We've identified the enemy and the enemy is us," situation.

Danny/Vinny will still be here.

Some of the parts they've hired to run this thing will be gone before they will.

'Cuz that's what happens when the enemy wins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I say get a top flight GM and let him hire a coach, forget all those big name guys they arn't personell guys.

Posted by: Flounder21

Flound, it doesn't matter, no top flight GM worth his salt will come here because Snyder wants to be the defacto GM and just have a guy who'll further his personnel agenda.

I can see him firing Vinny and replacing him with an inside hire, like a Scott Campbell or Morocco Brown. It'll make him (Danny) look good in the short term, but won't change the management structure (i.e.: owner input)which is the real problem with this franchise.

Posted by: Predator48 | September 28, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Why do people continue to pick out one person on offense as being the problem. How many years have we not seen the Skins fail on short yardage and goal line runs? How many years have we seen WRs come up one yard short on 3rd down? How many years have we seen the offense stall when Moss is doubled? Some people keep hoping that this team is something they're not. Until this offense plays with more confidence in critical situations, it will continue to struggle. As for the defense, I'll leave that for another post.

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I feel like 1/2 the people up here could play call better then Zorn.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I generally hate when Boswell weighs in on the Skins. His gloom and doom columns are usually gratuitous stating of the obvious. He did make one point that is worth discussing. Zorn's in game decisionmaking -- at crucial point in the Lions game -- cost the Skins 7 point. That spread was greater than the margin of victory. No brainer decisions such as taking 3 pts in the red zone on 4th down and forcing your opponent to kick a 51 yd FG in lieu of keeping a drive alive -- those are Coaching 101 decisions. This team does not have enough talent on either side of the ball to overcome bad coaching decisions.

The decision to hire/promote Zorn rests with the owner and his EVP of Football Ops. Firing him now just continues a pattern of dysfunction. Firing him now would satisfy a large group of fans looking for fresh meat, but it does nothing to improve the long term prospects of the team. The team will only begin to turn the corner under the control and leadership of a real football GM. Until that day, we will simply be known as offseason champs.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 28, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

pred,

I was going on the basis that Snyder stay out of everything.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

TWISI: excellent point. One I've tried to make many times as well. It's about confidence and trust, they have no inner confidence and they don't completely trust each other.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I have only heard 2 people give any post game interviews Campbell and Hall.
Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:01 AM

Rodgers did too. Said the team wasn't as good as everyone thought. He was pretty brutal.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Zorn has to know he doesn't have long, if I were him I would just open up the offense and let JC go crazy. I would go no huddle the whole game, I would sit CP and put AA out there. Same thing for Blache, screw this bend don't break. I would go after the QB like he beat up my mother.
Posted by: Flounder21
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Flounder, I think you nailed it. To win games we need to really stop playing a "sytem" and just go after the other team. I think all of the fans would rather see us lose 42-35 than keep trying to win 17-14.

Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

JReid..
You mention 2 of the next 3 are at FedEx Field.. Where have you been?? Thats not a positive anymore... Seem to recall alot of booing the last time the Skins played there. And with fans selling their tix to brokers in droves(at least everyone I know and myself).. I would guess the seats will be filled 50-50. Skins fans vs Opposing team fans.
Bottom line, and this should be a "write up" in itself.. FedEx Field is no longer home field advantage for the Redskins.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
JR wrote:

The Redskins' next three opponents are a collective 0-8 at the moment, with Carolina playing tonight, and two of those games are at FedEx Field. Tell us how you think they'll do.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

In my humble (but accurate) opinion, the problem so far lies primarily with the defense. If the defense plays better, the other team maybe gets a FG or TD less and the offense gets a couple of more possessions with better field position. I recognize that the offense is challenged but a good defense can carry a team, particularly against other weak teams. Zorn has made some bonehead calls but if one or two had worked out there would undoubtably be a lot of praise for his innovative and unconventional play calling. While I am a little surprised that the offense is not performing better, I am shocked that the defense is playing so poorly and I blame that on Blache. I also don't understand why more blame is not placed on Bugle for the offensive line problems.

Posted by: STXer | September 28, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"CL,

They can't get any worse so what different does it make who takes over. I think you will get your wish just not this week.

Posted by: Flounder21

I know, I fully admit that the desire to see Zorn gone is selfish. I am fully on board the "nothing will change with out management restructure" train...

But in the mean time for the next 13 weeks, I just don't want to watch a Jim Zorn coached team.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts on what should be done now:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/262702-for-redskins-ownership-and-fans-gut-check-time

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 9:40 AM


Get a grip dude...if you've got the wrong guy in place, you don't keep him in the name of continuity. I don't like in-season coaching changes so I'm not advocating that, but the minute the San Diego game is over Zorn should be canned. Don't even let him fly back with the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Kirk Olivadotti as interm coach, he's coached with the skins for 10 years. can't be any worse then what we got.

Posted by: drumer1972 | September 28, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

If we can't beat the Lions, you can't expect us to beat anyone else this year. Tampa should be a 3 point favorite on the road and they are 0-3. Until they win another game they should be 32 in the power rankings. Wow I never thought it would get this bad. I guess I'm dumb.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 28, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

AP - September 28, 2009

ASHBURN, Va. — Daniel Snyder, chairman and CEO of Pro-Football, Inc., the parent company of the Washington Redskins, annnounced today that he has asked the NFL for permission to change the team's name to the Washington Slumpbusters.
In a bow to pressure from Native American activist groups and in light of recent events, Snyder said a name change is in order.
“I have never doubted that the term "Redskin" is offensive and continuing to use it as the name of an NFL franchise is inappropriate," said Snyder. "Tradition is not a reason to keep a name and the new name speaks to our present tradition."

NFL franchise seeking name change

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

MONDAY MORNING TIDBITS

Here’s a selection of Redskin news currently circulating on the sports wires:

SNYDER FINDS ANOTHER WAY TO PROFIT FROM FAN MISERY

ASHBURN, VA -- The word from Redskin Park this morning is that Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder is set to unveil a new line of Redskin apparel -- starting with a maroon golf shirt emblazoned with "FIRE ZORN" in big black letters.

The shirts will be available from Tuesday for $75 each from Redskin fan apparel outlets.

While Snyder is said to have no intention of firing Zorn despite the miserable (1-2) start of the season, the team owner allegedly figures that millions of angry fans -- combined with an expected season-long series of painful and embarrassing team loses -- will boost sales of the shirts to record levels.

Redskin Insiders also noted that Snyder expects to make at least $74 in profits from each sale.

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CRUISE STARS IN JERRY MAGUIRE SEQUEL

HOLLYWOOD, CA -- Famed Hollywood movie actor Tom Cruise is set to reprise his Academy Award nominated role as football player-agent Jerry Maguire in a new comedy movie debuting this weekend.

In this sequel to the 1996 movie "Jerry Maguire," Cruise's character finds himself as a down and out player-agent whose career is suddenly resurrected when he is named as the general manager and personal confidante of the quirky, irresponsible and irrepressible owner of a highly lucrative but unsuccessful National Football League franchise composed of a bunch of not-so loveable losers who find new ways every week to insult and alienate their fans, while laughing all the way to the bank.

The title of the new comedy, being released on Friday by Paramount Pictures, is "Show Me the Money."

Posted by: Vic1 | September 28, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You know, all these people keep talking about Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher coming to the 'Skins, but, honestly, would anyone want to come here? We have become as dysfunctional as the Cowboys have been the last 2 years. We are now the laughingstock of the division and, arguably, the league.

Jack Kent Cooke understood how a football team works. During his tenure as majority/sole owner of the team for 23 years, Cooke had, essentially, 3 coaches (Pardee and Petitbon together totaled 4 seasons). He had George, good ol' Joe, and Norv. Two hall of fame coaches took us to the Super Bowl. Everyone had issues with Norv during the 90s, but firing someone during the middle of a season with a winning record is a recipe for disaster. In the 7 seasons Norv was at the helm, we had 4 winning records ('Skins were 7-6 when he was fired). Look at Norv in San Diego now: 2 division titles in the past 2 years. Norv is going to spank us in January. Who knows what would have happened if Norv stayed on. One thing that keeping Norv ensured was stability: something that Danny boy fails to understand in order to have football success.

Zorn didn't seem like a great decision originally, but he was only selected because no one else wanted to come here. So by 2010 (and since Zorn will definitely be gone next year) and in the 11 years Snyder has run the 'Skins, we will have had 7 coaches versus the 3 under 23 years of Cooke.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

alex35332

"I feel like 1/2 the people up here could play call better then Zorn."

I think Zorn calls plays well.

It's the decision-making regarding overall game strategy that's lacking.

He should've taken the field goal at the start of the game-the team was on the road, play it safe.

To quote Boswell, "Then,.. he accepted a penalty, allowing the Lions to replay third down -- a classic tempt-fate tactic. Detroit, instead of being forced to try a 50-yard field goal, converted the third and 13 and eventually completed a 99-yard touchdown drive."

You don't take points, but allow the team you're facing to have a second chance at extending a drive?

That's a head coach who can coach the offense, but doesn't have his head in the game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The final play call sealed it for me. You have a QB with a cannon arm, you're sitting 35-40 yards out, you spend multiple draft picks and big investments on 6'2-6'4 WRs and TEs....and you end up throwing the ball on a 9 yard hook-and-ladder.

There were two passes attempted into the endzone the entire game. One, a 9-yard fade route to the short side of the field, was a poor decision to begin with. The other came in a hurry-up, 2-minute offense where the QB largely was deciding the play calls.

I tried to give Zorn the benefit of the doubt, but the guy simply doesn't get it.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone provide a list of possible GM candidates? Not much GM knowledge. Names please.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I disagree w/boswell on the "fresh meat", that meat has been sitting out on the counter for about 10 years and its spoiled, its decayed and nasty its covered in mold. There is nothing fresh about the meat.

Fire Vinny, he has nothing to do with the on the field product once the season starts (maybe a GM does in other teams but not ours), let Morocco become GM for the rest of the season, and lets see if he can do anything. It helped the Nationals (okay bad example if you don't follow what the Nats did, but trust me their new GM is going to make them a good team.)

If you don't think Morocco can be GM after giving him part of the season to work at it, fine maybe you look for someone else to bring in, but he would do better then Mr. all I do is a radio show Cerrato.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, I think you nailed it. To win games we need to really stop playing a "sytem" and just go after the other team. I think all of the fans would rather see us lose 42-35 than keep trying to win 17-14.


Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 10:08 AM

Agree with Flound and you as well.

Yesterday's game showed me this team will not survive low scoring scrums, because our defense is not nearly as good as it was last year.

Our D (ranked #4 last year) is ranked #17 after 3 games, including 2 against the lowly Lions and Lambs. What happens when teams with real offenses come calling?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

ASHBURN, Va. — Daniel Snyder, chairman and CEO of Pro-Football, Inc., the parent company of the Washington Redskins, annnounced today that he has asked the NFL for permission to change the team's name to the Washington Slumpbusters.
In a bow to pressure from Native American activist groups and in light of recent events, Snyder said a name change is in order.
“I have never doubted that the term "Redskin" is offensive and continuing to use it as the name of an NFL franchise is inappropriate," said Snyder. "Tradition is not a reason to keep a name and the new name speaks to our present tradition."

NFL franchise seeking name change

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 28, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse


Great, now we'll get picketed by fat chicks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 28, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Get a grip dude...if you've got the wrong guy in place, you don't keep him in the name of continuity. I don't like in-season coaching changes so I'm not advocating that, but the minute the San Diego game is over Zorn should be canned. Don't even let him fly back with the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

That's kinda the point I was making, in the article I did say if he can't get it done the so be it, but changing now fixes nothing, and quashes any possibility that Zorn can turn it around.

Posted by: craig2 | September 28, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Riggins calling Snyder a loser was a nice touch yesterday.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:59 AM

When and where was this?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow, so many fickle morons on these boards. If you want to point the finger for the failure of the team over the past decade, point it at YOURSELVES.

Clamoring for firing of our HC when he's just under .500 in his short career, what makes you any better than Snyderatto? You're aspiring to this teams failed philosophy of instant results and a complete blindness of the future.

The only thing firing Zorn, his staff, and JC will do is start a brand new rebuilding cycle all over again. And what happens when our brand new system goes .500 or worse, what will you do then? Probably line up like lemmings once again to throw yourselves off the continuity bus.

The fact is, if you bring a brand spanking new HC who hasn't even coordinated before and he goes .500 over two years, you should be HAPPY. That's something to build from, not something to destroy.

And even if Zorn doesn't have what it takes, what do you think it does to the organization's image in the minds of potential head coaches if you fire your new green HC after 19 or 23 games? If many of you weren't so short sighted, you would realize that Zorn MUST stay HC for even ANOTHER year unless the team really implodes and goes .250.

And that's because in the long view of the organization, we have to prove we are willing to give a head coach a chance to build his team the way HE wants to, and allow him one or two rebuilding years. If we don't prove that, how will we ever attract a decent HC? We couldn't last year, hard as we tried. Do you really think we'll have better luck after firing Zorn?

On another note, based on what I saw in the Lions game it should be Blanche in the career guillotine, not Zorn. Given how much money and draft attention we've given to the Defense, the defense performed absolutely terrible. It's hard to comprehend how we could fail so badly with so much talent. Coaching is the only explanation there. Conversely, the offense is actually improving in spite of the lack of attention it has received. That says to me, Zorn is improving in his scheming and play calling, and Blanche is getting worse.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"..I just don't want to watch a Jim Zorn coached team.."

Well, the only smart option would be to let Sherm call plays while Zorn manages the overall team.

It is his team, after all.

And if it was me, I'd want total control before I was eventually fired.

'Cuz that's what's going to happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

REXskins,

You are an idiot.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Riggins calling Snyder a loser was a nice touch yesterday.
Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 9:59 AM
When and where was this?
Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Riggo's got a twitter. Speaking of which can anyone verify that its actually his twitter for me? Did he make that public info at one point?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

REXskins,

You are an idiot.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

FINALLY I AGREE WITH GURU ON SOMETHING!

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Deion Sanders made a crack about the Eagles trading Mike Vick to the Redskins last night. That's about the only way this season could get any worse. Although, Native American protests could clash with Peta protests over bison abuse & that could be entertaining.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to fathom why releasing Zorn now is worse than doing it later....

Excuses given:

- he's the quarterback coach - um, where have our quarterbacks improved? Seems a no-brainer to me. You lose nothing getting rid of Zorn and if there isn't anyone to replace him for the season, you aren't replacing anything anyway.

- he's the offensive co-ordinator with a WCO - Apparently Jason Campbell can run the offense in a no huddle situation. He has two seasons in this putridity and is as schooled as he'll ever be with it - let him call the plays! I bet even Sonny and Billy would give him some pointers. The only time he looks to be able to move the ball is in no huddle and it seems the only option for him. And it isn't like we are losing a talented playcaller.

- Head Coach - Likely the easiest position to replace should there be enough money.

Team attitude. The team will likely be boo'd Sunday when they play and the team is on a short leash with the fans. The more they stink up the joint, the noisier it will get. The team could already be tilted toward bailing on Zorn with fissures and fingerpointing likely to start soon.

And may I add one thing that is striking me - can we trade Clinton Portis? He is a prima donna of the first order and his attitude needs to go - he may put out when called on, but his kind of cancer on the sidelines needs to be removed - he's one of the constants in the attitude issue this team has had.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

REXskins, I hear you and I don't agree with firing Zorn too quickly.

I expected the offense to gradually improve under his guidance, and I still believe it should.

What boggles my mind is how despite all the offseason investment on defense, the defense seems MUCH worse than it was last year. I thought the defense would hold down the fort against the patsies while the offense improved going into the hard part of the season.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Campbell was the only reason we were even in that game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

rexskins

"Given how much money and draft attention we've given to the Defense, the defense performed absolutely terrible."

Amen.

This summer, folks posted and fat-mouthed about,"Oh we are going to have a Killa D with Prince Al, Orakpo, and MeAngelo."

That looks like a lot of wasted reading about right now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

mmmmmm....bison......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I agree to point. I said as much two weeks ago. Now I'd rather watch the Burger King King on the sideline.

I admit I am irrational, but whateves.

F Corny Zorny. Isn't there a Young Life chapter he can run somewhere. Lead faith hikes or some siht?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

It's a football team, not a publicly traded Fortune 500 company whose shareholders may be shaken by a change at the top.

There's nothing wrong with firing Zorn now.

Having said that, I prefer they change QBs for a few weeks and see if Zorn's playbook is the issue or if it's JC.

Then they'll know who to get rid of.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Buffalo burgers do rule.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Clamoring for firing of our HC when he's just under .500 in his short career, what makes you any better than Snyderatto? You're aspiring to this teams failed philosophy of instant results and a complete blindness of the future.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:20 AM


I'm sure I'll have to say this again, no matter how obvious: comparing fans (who are supposed to overreact to everything surrounding their team) to the owner (who is supposed to keep a level head and set the tone for the organization) is beyond retarded. Snyder has the power to fire coaches impulsively, fans don't.

So that's the long version of what Sports_Guru and Alex have already said: you're an idiot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

REXskins,

You are an idiot.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

FINALLY I AGREE WITH GURU ON SOMETHING!

Posted by: alex35332
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All I have to say to this is: How has your revolving door organizational strategy worked out for us the past 10 years? Oh... not so good? Well let's keep it up then eh!!

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Before we all get crazy about JC:
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
27/41 340 8.3 2 1 97.6

10 different receivers involved
Currently the 9th ranked QB out of 32 teams
3 receivers in the top 40 of 32 teams
The passing game is getting better.
The defense and running game is getting worse

Posted by: boysheadcoach | September 28, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If many of you weren't so short sighted, you would realize that Zorn MUST stay HC for even ANOTHER year unless the team really implodes and goes .250.

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:20 AM

Zorn as a HC could well pan out. My issues is that he is wearing too many hats. Particularly on gameday. This team needs another "voice" on offense. Get someone w/ play calling experience as an "adviser" to help with in game adjustments, play calling tendency counters, etc..

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

With Today being Yom Kippur I think Dan Snyder needs to atone to the fans for his existence and miss-ownership of the redskins.

....Mmm Buffalo Burgers.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh, so many problems where does one begin? First, to me it once again goes back to the play calling. It seems that Zorn is so intent on showing how smart he is that he will not simply play good solid football. The best way to slow down a rush is to run the football. The best way to get soft coverage is to run the football. Portis is not the same back from five years ago but he can still play. Only twelve carries! Please! Balance!

Second, the team quit on this guy. Look, Gibbs II was not the best but I blame that on Gibbs being out of football too long. When he came back it was a different game and more importantly he did not know any of the new and hot young asistants that could have helped. But, he made the playoffs twice because as a coach he never let these guys quit on him. In game 2 Zorn's guys quit on him. Not good. Buckle up for a long season.

Posted by: zman1 | September 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan

"Campbell was the only reason we were even in that game."

Isn't this like pointing out that Pearl Harbor is the reason America was in WWII?

Bro,yesterday Campbell--a five year vet-- got outplayed by a rookie quarterback who left college early.

The sand is about to run to the bottom of his professional hourglass.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

boysheadcoach, quoting stats will just incite the JC haters. They don't want facts to get in the way of their feelings.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

twis, you might be onto something there....maybe let someone else call the plays, Sherm Smith, or Meidt, someone...something has to change....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Enough with JC's stats, i'm not saying he is the major problem but most of those stats have come against prevent defenses.

The end of the Giants game and the end of the game yesterday, there is a lot more to winning a game then good stats.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I love when poeple hate on fans(atics) for being unReasonable. DUH! That's the NFL's game plan. What rational adult male over the age of 14 drops $100+ large on a XXL jersey of some other dude? What rational adult spends $500 for a satelite dish and the worst service pay TV has to offer? What rational adult spends beautiful fall afternoons away from his family in a dark bar carboloading on beer and junk food? What rational adult schedules: weddings, parties, christenings, barmitzvahs, family reunions...ect....around football games?

Pulheeze irrational fans is the economic lifeblood of America's past time?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17,
What game were you watching? I seem to remember Campbell throwing an interception and dropping a few snaps. He threw another ball right to one of the defenders and the guy dropped it. Campbell locks on one receiver in a game and the defenses know it. He locked on ARE in the first game, Cooley in the second and Moss in the Lions game. He doesn't check down. He makes up his mind who is going to get the ball before the snap ever takes place. Campbell is not getting better and he's just as much a problem as he always was.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Bro,yesterday Campbell--a five year vet-- got outplayed by a rookie quarterback who left college early.

The sand is about to run to the bottom of his professional hourglass.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:34 AM

Gotta disagree, Moe. JC had a very good game, but his performance and the rookie's performance had nothing to do with each other.

The rookie brought a 40.5 QB rating into the game, and the fact that he lit up our defense (and his RB, too) doesn't reflect on Campbell at all.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Stats...LOL

Carson Palmer and Brett Favre led their respective teams to last-minutes winning drives yesterday.

Campbell didn't. As usual.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Casserly and Gruden.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 28, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@ MistaMoe

How did Stafford outplay JC? If anything, Stafford outplayed our porous defense.

The score should have been a lot worse but Stafford made so many bad throws. JC at least got us a score with the 2 minute drill and gave us 1 more shot for another score. The play call however was an idiotic one by Zorn.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I think I have a solution:

The only way to get rid of Snyder is to buy him out. And to buy him out, we need a sweet deal (i.e. overpay). I think we have enough smarts among us (well some of us) to set up a corporation (i.e Hamster Corp). Then we can sell IPO's or just take donations (via paypal??). With as many disgruntled fans as we have, now is the time for this to happen. I figure $1.75 billion should do the trick. Who's with me?

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"..i'm not saying he is the major problem but most of those stats have come against prevent defenses.."

We've watched Jason Campbell for 5 years now.

He can not win games with his arm and decision-making.

He's in the second year of the same offense and every time he drops back, I think, "Oh god, something bad is going to happen."

He's a Jake Delhomme in a redskins' jersey.

And Jake Delhomme will also be unemployed this off-season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

How did Stafford outplay JC?

stafford won....period. Thats all that matters at the end of the day. Stats are for fantasy geeks. Wins and losses are what matter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

NAte - I have yet to say what we should do. Just pointing to the obvious. Shanahan.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I was wondering if perhaps I should post the number to the DC Suicide Prevention hotline, but I see this group is more the homicidal type...

What is wrong with this defense? For one thing, they're still not pressuring the QB. I think that might be Blache's scheme. It's almost as if we're playing Prevent throughout the game. Where Zorn is accused of relying too much on deception rather than execution, I think Blache might be too vanilla...

I guess I don't spend a lot of time worrying about whether a loss was 'humiliating' or not -- to me, they're all at least mildly embarrassing. The problem with playing a team that's lost 19 in a row is that they're way overdue for a victory. It's like betting on Cigar to win his 18th race in a row -- on the one hand, he's won 17, and on the other, how long can a streak like that continue? The odds are agin' it.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

RITCA,
Its a nice dream.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I am at work today with my nine year old who is exceptionally bored, I downloaded pictures of Key Redskin higherups, coach, owner etc... I have him shooting the pictures with a cork gun, he is having fun and it is easing the pain, give it a try

Posted by: connskins | September 28, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

wow, was hoping for more of an update on injuries or the pulse of the team, than another poll...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 9:45 AM

Injury update (TEAM):

-Wounded pride
-confusion
-bruised fingers after pointing at each other
-hoarse voice after defending self
-swollen forehead after banging on wall at the end of the game

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 28, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"stafford won....period. Thats all that matters at the end of the day. Stats are for fantasy geeks. Wins and losses are what matter..."

Is it possible, as dedicated fantasy geek, to agree with this completely? B/C I am and do!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is a dead man walking. Might as well do the deed now and get it over with.

Hate to disagree with Strahan, but I get the feeling this team quit on JZ some time ago and there isn't anything he can do to get them back.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

who cares? they aren't good, they aren't going to be good, and they don't even seem to care. How can a team with everything on the line like they had come out so flat and get utterly dominated by the freaking Lions. It furthers my belief that Zorn has lost this team.....no way a team that cares about their coach plays that flat and uninspired after the week of speculation they just went through unless they don't want him around...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 9:48 AM |

These guys don't even have any self respect much less for their coach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse


REXskins,

You are an idiot.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

FINALLY I AGREE WITH GURU ON SOMETHING!

Posted by: alex35332
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All I have to say to this is: How has your revolving door organizational strategy worked out for us the past 10 years? Oh... not so good? Well let's keep it up then eh!!

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:29 AM |

The strategy of bringing in coaches every year or so is beside the point when the coach sucks. In this case, revolve him right out the door.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Kirk Olivadotti as interm coach, he's coached with the skins for 10 years. can't be any worse then what we got.

Posted by: drumer1972 | September 28, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

No we should not hire anyone from inside. This team has developed a culture of mediocrity and it needs someone from the outside to come in and clean house. If any current or former Redskins are brought in, they should have had no ties to the team since 1992 or so.
We need a disciplinarian type to whip this organization into shape. Screw the cap we need to unload the bloated salaried underachievers on this roster and build through youth. I know, I know we will be in salary cap hell and will be 1-15 or so for a season or 2 but then we could start improving into a top flight football team again. It sure as hell beats being wannabe's year after year.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | September 28, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

where's barno to defend this team? oh yeah, just 1-2 (just like the steelers) and plenty of games remaining. who dropped TD passes this game that resulted in the loss?

did a little reasearch. since this ownership took over, the redskins are one of four NFC teams that have not been in the NFL championship game. joining the niners, lions and cowboys. what do these four teams have in common? disfunctional ownership. at least jerry has three rings to his name (thanks to jimmy johnson too). the niners appear on the way up and the lions have been a disaster since the 60's...but did beat us yesterday.

until this ownership gets a clue, this streak will continue.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 28, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

i meant NFC championship game...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 28, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

To craig2: The struggles in Tampa, Buffalo, and elsewhere mirror the struggles in DC and have absolutely nothing to do with "change" or "stability". The head coach is not obtaining the players. The head coach has to make do with what he has. The problem with most of these franchises is in the front office. This year Detroit finally made the changes in the F.O. that they needed to make. They started to change and change dramatically. And it shows.

In D.C there really hasn't been constant change. The F.O. is still aproching things as they always have. They believe they are just one or two players away from a Superbowl. That all they need is the big name, big dollar, news making, get the owners name in the paper, signing and everything will be fine. And this would work if they were really only one or two players away. If the costs were contained on the rest of the team so that cap gyrations weren't constantly required to meet the limits. That the rest of the holes were filled so that the big dollar impact players weren't limited by the inability of everyone else.

You can be "stable" and bad or have lots of "change" and be bad. So the issue isn't whether the team is stable or not. Its whether there is progress, not regression. Whether the team is good and getting better or bad and getting worse.

For the most part the Redskins have been stagnant despite the huge payrolls. They are a below average team that sometimes lucks into a winning season. At least until now. Now they appear to be the new Detroit or Miami, on their way to the bottom. This is what happens to below average teams. They'll sink to the bottom only to claw their way back to just below average. The only fix for this is in the F.O. . It means letting Vinney go. It the means the owner, no matter how it pains him, leaves the spotlight, and much of the control, to others. It means that if you do manage to hire a good GM and the team does win the Superbowl you be like Dan Rooney, you graciously accept the trophy and otherwise stay out of the news.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | September 28, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

if indeed the team has quit on the coach, thats not a good statement that they as professionals have made.....fire them all I say......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Bro,yesterday Campbell--a five year vet-- got outplayed by a rookie quarterback who left college early."

Believe what you want to believe. Yesterday, Kevin Smith rushed for 101 yards before the 3rd quarter ended. Clinton Portis hasn't eclipsed 190 yards in 3 games combined, has zero touchdowns, and is averaging 3.9 yards per carry. Campbell puts up 361 yards of offense and 2 TDs by himself, but he's the one holding this team back.

Fans are now shooting down one of the two bright spots this team is currently holding (the other being Hunter the Punter). Maybe the team does need an complete overhaul and an entirely new identity...but Jason Campbell isn't the reason why. He's one of the 4 or 5 best players on the team right now (Hunter, Cooley, Campbell, Fletcher, and Moss [inconsistently] are the only guys playing legitimate NFL-caliber football right now).

I'm going to try and avoid an entire Campbell discussion, just going put that out there. Campbell is proving himself to be legitimate as we speak. He's entering the Carson Palmer territory of being a very, very good QBs plagued with a horrible supporting cast.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"How did Stafford outplay JC?"


I thought I saw four well-executed long drives by a rookie quarterback yesterday.

Campbell's 'great numbers' were generated against a prevent defense, y'all.

And that is what prevents your defense of his play.

In fact, DeAngelo Hall basically shut down Calvin Johnson (with help over the top), and Stafford and Bryant Johnson got it going on like it was nobody's business.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

On play calling -- there are two basic schools of thought. One is to have a big playbook that gives you alternatives to most every conceivable defensive wrinkle. The other is to focus on mastery of seven to ten basic plays that you execute flawlessly. Both rely on deception and seek to create mismatches. Both require acumen on the part of the QB.

The Colts and Peyton Manning rely on the basics and execution; Bill Walsh used the diverse playbook with great success. So far, Zorn seems to be calling plays that the team struggles to execute. If he changes up now, maybe he gets better short-term results. But if he sticks with it, he might have a better long-term outcome.

Which does he do? Your guess is as good as mine, or better.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

@ BeantownGreg1

OK, so Stafford won the game. But how is a failed running game JC's fault? He only calls the running plays and hands off the ball. How is the complete failure of the defense JC's fault? Did we replace London Fletcher with JC? Was JC also relaying the defensive calls?

The fact is, the defense gave up 4 OUTRAGEOUSLY LONG DRIVES. This was a complete failure of the coaching staff, especially on Blache. The coaching staff said they prepared for the Lions because they were dangerous, but after yesterday I seriously doubt that.

Stafford had so many open looks that he failed to connect. At least when Santana was open, JC was able to connect for 57 yards. At least when JC fumbled that snap on 3rd down in our own endzone, he got it out to Santana for 1st down (although these fumbling issues really have to stop). There were 2 HUGE OPEN SORES YESTERDAY: THE GROUND GAME AND POROUS DEFENSE. Yesterday, the offense was one dimensional, but at least we got 340 and 2 TD passes for it. The fault of these sores is on the coaching staff.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

All I have to say to this is: How has your revolving door organizational strategy worked out for us the past 10 years? Oh... not so good? Well let's keep it up then eh!!

Posted by: REXskins | September 28, 2009 10:29 AM |

There is a difference between "revolving door strategy" and accepting that a plan has failed. The plan has failed, nothing wrong with accepting failure unless your not going to do anything about it. I am all for sticking with and being patient when you have some inkling that a plan may work out, but who has that faith in Zorn anymore? Who on the team has any trust in the game plan? It's not about change for the sake of change as you claim but its change for the sake of accepting reality.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

And to think, we could have had Michael Oher and Phil Loadholt on this team. Guess we can blame JC for that also.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

How did Stafford outplay JC?

stafford won....period. Thats all that matters at the end of the day. Stats are for fantasy geeks. Wins and losses are what matter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:42 AM

So was Brad Johnson a better QB when he left the Skins and won a SB in Tampa Bay?

...or was he on a better team?

(Also of note: HOF Sonny Jurgenson never won a playoff game)

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"How did Stafford outplay JC?"

He won.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"I'm going to try and avoid an entire Campbell discussion, just going put that out there. Campbell is proving himself to be legitimate as we speak. He's entering the Carson Palmer territory of being a very, very good QBs plagued with a horrible supporting cast. Posted by: psps23"

Didn't the Bengals win yesterday? Can't think of a more deserving crew.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I still am trying to find out why Rock Cartwright was in the Game for the last 5 minutes of the game?

Once I saw that, I knew the game was over. Where was CP? I think I sense a big rift because they aren't feeding him the ball anymore and he isn't on the field but for 1st and 2nd downs in most instances.....

And is 'Stretch Left' the only run play Zorn knows?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Zorn's coaches every game as if they are pre-season games. Every questionable decision he made went against him - except for challenging the ARE pass. Even still I was going to give him a pass until that final play. A 7-yard hook and lateral?! What the f?!! Catch and run for 30 yards with a gazillion defenders between you and the endzone? Curses. Curses. And more filthy curses.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 28, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

yesterday TBrady threw an absolute bat-shti crazy fit at halftime of the pats game, basically screamed at the whole team, called them every name in the book....time for Fletch or Daniels, or SOMEONE to do the same....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Fire Zorn, don't fire Zorn, it doesn't really matter in my opinion. If you think about it, some of our core guys -- CP, Moss, JC, Griffin, etc. have been around 4-5 years now, and our record during that time (since 2004) is 39-44. I know there's been some turnover during those years -- different players coming in and of course Gibbs retiring again, but my point is this: the players just aren't very good. Period.

Posted by: mattylight | September 28, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"So was Brad Johnson a better QB when he left the Skins and won a SB in Tampa Bay?
...or was he on a better team?(Also of note: HOF Sonny Jurgenson never won a playoff game)Posted by: Alan4"

This is a good point. IMO the answer is he was a really good QB in Minnesota, Washington and Tampa; with the Bucs, the cards finally fell all the way into place. Sonny Jurgenson, on the other hand, was a HOF QB whether or not he ever won a playoff game.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"How did Stafford outplay JC?""

I thought I saw four well-executed long drives by a rookie quarterback yesterday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 10:53 AM


You're right, Moe. JC should have played better defense. And how could he let their RB get nearly 100 yards in the first half?

Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Alex, Riggo44 is his legit Twitter account verified by Wapo staff.

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Today's Best Post: redcherokee

Injury update (TEAM):

-Wounded pride
-confusion
-bruised fingers after pointing at each other
-hoarse voice after defending self
-swollen forehead after banging on wall at the end of the game

Analysis:

Funny, without being mean.

Mean, but funny at the same time.

And when you swish it around in your mind, it gives off the kind of nutty sarcastic flavor appreciated in this blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Quick update for ya Beany:

Betts = 7 rushs 14 yds 0 TDs, 6 catches 96 yards 0 TDs

Bradshaw = 35 carries 201 yards, 5 catches 19 yards O TDs

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 28, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

@ MistaMoe

Really? Stafford executed those drives? I'd say that the 'Skins DEFENSE GAVE UP those long drives. Are you forgetting that this is the same QB that led the league coming into Sunday in INTs and barely completed over 50% of his passes. You're giving too much credit to this guy and you're making him sound like an elite QB. He's not, at least not yet.

We are talking about the DETROIT LIONS OFFENSE. JC played well yesterday. Our defense was HORRIBLE. It gave up over 100 yards rushing in the 1st half. Look at the facts.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Didn't the Bengals win yesterday? Can't think of a more deserving crew.

Posted by: Samson151"

That they did. They're a fluke deflection away from being 3-0. You'd have never thought Palmer could have done it, though, because apparently good QBs never get stuck with losing teams, and his career W/L record shows that Carson Palmer is a bad quarterback.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Once I saw that, I knew the game was over. Where was CP? I think I sense a big rift because they aren't feeding him the ball anymore and he isn't on the field but for 1st and 2nd downs in most instances.....

And is 'Stretch Left' the only run play Zorn knows?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if he was hurt or not.

CP getting 12 carries isn't how this team will win.

And yes stretch left is the only run play zorn knows.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

STOP with the QB Comparison between Stafford, and JC....just stop....Stafford won....nothing else matters...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

For those of you calling for Mike Shanahan, please separate his coaching career into two parts when evaluating him. The part that had some guy named John Elway at QB and he won two super bowls. Without Elway, the Broncos won 1 playoff game. That's right, 1 playoff game. Shanahan as coach and GM would be awful. This team would be what it is now, talented and mediocre.
Hire a GM and let him pick the coach. That is the only way forward.

Posted by: templetontherat1978 | September 28, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

One last thought: last season's second half offensive problems stemmed from our inability to run the ball as well as we had in the first half. The passing game simply wasn't good enough to make up the difference. We weren't able to control the clock without running.

Looks like not much has changed... we still struggle when we can't run the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree, Moe. JC had a very good game, but his performance and the rookie's performance had nothing to do with each other.

The rookie brought a 40.5 QB rating into the game, and the fact that he lit up our defense (and his RB, too) doesn't reflect on Campbell at all.


Posted by: Alan4 | September 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I think the biggest issue was our nickel CB, rush defense, and pass rush. We barely stopped the run and were lucky that Kevin Smith got hurt. We couldn't get to the QB and when we did there was always an open reciever in the middle of the field. The Lions chewed up the clock and we couldn't stop them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Have no fear Skins fans, hockey season starts Thursday and the Washington Capitals can show the Redskins how you turn real talent into vitories! Tony Kornheiser can no longer say "What's red, white and blue and plays golf in April". He's gonna have to change that to "What's burgandy and gold and starts vacationing in January"?

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | September 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@ BeantownGreg1

Stafford didn't win. Our defense and running game lost.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

This is a link to an article on the front page of the Detroit Paper...

http://www.freep.com/article/20090927/COL01/90927035/1319/Blacked-out--knocked-down-…-Lions-arise-

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to try and avoid an entire Campbell discussion, just going put that out there. Campbell is proving himself to be legitimate as we speak. He's entering the Carson Palmer territory of being a very, very good QBs plagued with a horrible supporting cast.

Posted by: psps23 | September 28, 2009 10:51 AM |
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This made me laugh out loud.

Thanks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

On a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is Max Zendejas kicking extra points and 10 is Riggo breaking a tackle against the Dolphins in the superbowl....

What grade would you give Chad Rinehart in his first game yesterday?

Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

psps23,
You are the reason why the RI should have a drug-free policy. Campbell is great? Dude, I will grant you that Campbell gets off a good pass now and then, but his decision making is sometimes really lousy. Did you see him hit the defender in the numbers yesterday? Did you see him throw the interception? Did you see him overthrow his receiver on a deep pass? Did you see him having trouble holding onto the ball? Any QB can look good when the opposing defense is sitting on a lead and playing soft zone, but when the chips are down Campbell does not deliver. He struggles when the opposing defenses are in man coverage. He doesn't see the safeties rolling over in zone defense and this is probably the reason Zorn doesn't call more deep passes. A good quarterback finds a way to win games. Jason Campbell just does not have this gift. He will make someone a good backup QB next year, but the Redskins should be moving on...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"And yes stretch left is the only run play zorn knows.Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8"

It's certainly true that they like to run off Samuels. The other running teams are more likely to run off guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 28, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone provide a list of possible GM candidates? Not much GM knowledge. Names please.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse
It will be Morraco Brown who replaces Vinny. Its a change, he has a good rep as talent evauluator and Synder keeps and in house guy to do his bidding.

Case closed

Posted by: ocskins | September 28, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer and Brett Favre led their respective teams to last-minutes winning drives yesterday.

Campbell didn't. As usual.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 10:39 AM


Palmer and Favre have coaches that are wise enough to call plays to go INTO THE END ZONE with the game on the line. Campbell doesn't.

And for those with the "Stafford outplayed JC" stuff...Stafford played with a lead the entire game. He got hamstrung by his team the first two games because they had to come from behind in the 2nd half. They didn't have that problem against Washington.

JC had to stand behind a line that couldn't protect the passer OR run block. If he played a real defense yesterday he'd likely be dead. The only thing I blame on JC is his inability to keep the ball in his hands on those two untouched fumbles. And since he recovered them both, no harm no foul.

JC ain't the problem. So pick a new argument. God knows there's plenty.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 28, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I still am trying to find out why Rock Cartwright was in the Game for the last 5 minutes of the game?

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 10:56 AM

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and Marko Mitchell in street clothes.

and Anthony Aldridge in his uniform, on one knee, on the sideline.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 28, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

JC ain't the problem.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 28, 2009 11:06 AM
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He isn't the solution either.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 28, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

@ MrRedskin21

Yeah, because the solution would be an improved OL and defense.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Dear Bud Lights-

Your new nickname is as offensive as it was when you were the Redskins. And shamelessly commercial.

Signed,

The Alcoholic Slumpbusters

Posted by: ElYeah | September 28, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Jon Gruden is an experienced west coaster & and offensive coordinator. He looks at match-ups & is kinda INTENSE. Could keep the same offense, play call and light a fire under some asses. The next 100 mil. free agent we should pick up is Bill Polin.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | September 28, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Are all the "Stafford won" syncophants the same ones who were whining about last week?

RITCA, I'm with you...we need to go the way of the Packers. Snyder will never sell though

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | September 28, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

We've watched Jason Campbell for 5 years now
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No matter what you think about the guy, you should state fact. The first two years of Campbell's career we were watching Mark Brunell.

And its an absolute travesty that we didn't take a shot in the endzone at the end of that game.

This JC's good enough, JC's not good enough arguments lacks a certain sense of merit when the coach won't let him make plays. Last week against St Louis we had about 16 to 17 plays within the 10 and we threw three times, twice the receiver dropped the ball, once Portis threw the ball.

I'm not sure Campbell is they guy yet (although I hope he is, I like his poise and his arm), but I'm not sure he's not the guy either. This week, when he had the opportunity to make a play, we got in.

That last play of the game should've sealed Zorn's fate. If JZ is half smart, Sherman Smith will start calling the plays next week.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 28, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Being in the Philly region, you can begin to understand the flack I am receiving after yesterdays game. I can truly say that this is the first time I really felt that a team gave up. I also have to say that this is the first time i actually walked away from the TV. I constantly give the Redskins the opportunity each week to prove everyone wrong, yet I am always let down. I tell my friends that being a Redskins fan is like being the geek in the back of the room always looking to score with the ladies. Always given a shot only to find out later it was only a setup for heartbreak. Every year I pay the ever increasing directv bill just so i can sit home in Jersey and watch my beloved Skins. now that the price of that is reaching $400, i certainly expect a return on my investment. i am so disappointed in what i have seen lately. And before those people say "it's only 3 games....", true Skins Fans have been going through this for years, not just the past few weeks. We expect, I expect competition from this team. No matter what is on paper and how talented we are compare to other teams on paper, we aren't producing when it matters. Big changes need to be made, and it wouldn't hurt if someone close to Snyder talks him into selling the team to someone who actually knows what he is doing. As a fan, Snyder should understand this. I am ready to return to the old days of Redskins. When other teams actually feared us, not look at us as the Lions. Congrats, we are officially the worst team in football. We have no one to blame other than ourselves.

Posted by: tiredrdsknfan | September 28, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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