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Posted at 4:55 PM ET, 12/14/2010

This is how it works, and Hunter Smith understands

By Jason Reid

A 12-year veteran, punter Hunter Smith understands how things work in the NFL.

So Smith figured someone would lose his job for the botched extra-point attempt that cost the Redskins a shot at overtime against Tampa Bay. And not surprisingly, Smith, who failed to catch the snap while holding on the play, was informed Tuesday that the Redskins had released him and signed Sam Paulescu to replace him as their punter and holder.

"Honestly, nothing surprises me after 12 years playing NFL football," Smith, who was in his second season with Washington, said in a phone interview.

"Obviously, if I catch the snap and we kick the extra point and go to overtime, I'm probably not cut today. So that's definitely disappointing. Obviously, this is not the way I wanted to finish the season."

In Sunday's 17-16 loss to the Buccaneers, the Redskins pulled to within a point on Donovan McNabb's six-yard touchdown pass to Santana Moss with nine seconds remaining in the game. The Redskins, who had experienced problems in the kicking game throughout the dreary day, lined up for a point-after attempt that would have most likely extended the game to overtime.

But long snapper Nick Sundberg's high snap sailed through Smith's hands, all but ending the game. In addition to the costly miscue, Smith, in nine games this season, averaged 40.5 yards per punt -- 2 1/2 yards below his career average.

The Redskins' desire for more production from their punter in the final three games of the season, not the botched PAT, prompted the team to make a change at the position, a person with knowledge of the situation said Tuesday.

"I'm sure they brought in somebody to their workout who punted better than they thought I would," Smith said. "I understand that, or at least I understand that they thought it was better.

"The hard thing is I've been a holder for 12 years in the NFL and have dropped two snaps, both in the rain. I've held for some great kickers, and if there's one thing that I think I'm good at, it is holding. I'm a much better holder than I am punter in my opinion. So for that to kind of be what caused the tipping point, well, it is a little unsettling."

By Jason Reid  | December 14, 2010; 4:55 PM ET
Categories:  Hunter Smith  
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"The hard thing is I've been a holder for 12 years in the NFL and have dropped two snaps, both in the rain. I've held for some great kickers, and if there's one thing that I think I'm good at, it is holding. I'm a much better holder than I am punter in my opinion. So for that to kind of be what caused the tipping point, well, it is a little unsettling."

By Jason Reid | December 14, 2010; 4:55 PM ET

Now, Hunter, you're a pro, right? If you were one of the top ten punters in the NFL you know that you'd still be punting next week. But you're not. You're #31. So, it's pretty easy to look for an upgrade. Bye-bye.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hunter is one helluva classy punter. Most punters in this league would have taken their fight to the media and started bad mouthing everyone in the organization. But Mr Smith? Sh*t. He should change his name to "High-Ground Smith".

Posted by: hand_of_doom | December 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This 2010 team is such a joke... and yet I stupidly cling to hope that they'll somehow rally and beat the Cowboys on Sunday.

Hail to 'em. And F me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 14, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

OK, so let me get this straight...the snap is high, so we don't cut the snapper...we cut the guy who couldn't corrale the projectile shot over his head and serves another purpose (you know, punting) is the one to get the heave ho. Got it. So when do we cut the center who keeps tripping up McNabb?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 5:04 PM

Hey, newsflash, brownwood. The snap hit the punter right in his hands. Not over his head, not in the dirt. Right in his hands. Right where he should have caught it.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:07 PM

So a guy who couldn't get a job with 31 other teams is a better option?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This is about Mike Shanahan and his ego and possibly his son Kyle or Jim Zorn or something like that...there is also a strange subtext of Jason Campbell and Albert Haynesworth.

don't try to bring rankings into this discussion.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

YOU HAVE TO STOP THE RUN FIRST IN A 4-3.

3-4 or 4-3?: what's the best defense in today's pass happy NFL:

1 San Diego Chargers (3-4)

2 New York Giants (4-3)

3 New York Jets (3-4)

4 Pittsburgh Steelers (3-4)

5 Miami Dolphins (3-4)

6 New Orleans Saints (4-3)

7 Minnesota Vikings (4-3)

8 Chicago Bears (4-3)

9 Green Bay Packers (3-4)

10 Baltimore Ravens (3-4)

Conclusion?: the best defensive scheme is one where the coordinator matches personnel to scheme rather than forcing on his roster a style of defense that doesn't fit.

But for the long term, forcing the scheme on a roster during a rebuild is the best way to find out which players fit what you want to do moving forward.

The 2010 Washington Redskins defense is flawed, but after a season of making itself be what it's not, we now know it needs an true outside linebacker opposite Orakpo, an athletic free safety, a stud nose tackle, and strong defensive end.

Our defensive weaknesses only reflect our roster needs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Shanny: "Hey Bruce! Putting Prince Albert in a can didn't send a strong enough message to the troupes."

Bruce: "Why do you say that?"

Shanny: "Because we lost, dummy."

Bruce: "You don't suppose that had anything to do with play calling or game management, do ya?"

Shanny: Icy stare

Bruce: "Ok, I'll bite... What do you think we should do now?"

Shanny: "Fire somebody! These guys need to know that poor performance won't be tolerated in our new environment of excellence."

Bruce: "So then...Kyle perhaps?"

Shanny: Icy stare.

Bruce: "How about the Punter? That always sends a shock wave of fear through the locker room."

Shanny: "Perfect! What was his name again?"

Bruce: "Hunter."

Shanny: "Yeah, the punter. What was his name?"

Bruce: "That's what I'm trying to tell you. His name was Hunt...oh never mind. I'll make a few calls and see who's available that can kick and hold."

Shanny: "Hold! Like what they did to Orakpo? That was more like a..."

Bruce: "Mugging, yeah we've all heard that one already. I gotta go make some phone calls..."

Tough break for Hunter. One of the contributors to his low punting average was that we had him punting out of bounds in a game or two. That will shave a few yards off the top for any punter.

The botched extra point was a difficult play to make. Yes, he should have handled it the same way a WR is supposed to catch any pass they can touch. But a cold wet ball out at the fingertips is a tough play all the same.

Oh well, hope the new guy can get it done.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

So a guy who couldn't get a job with 31 other teams is a better option?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM

That's what we'll find out in the next three weeks, isn't it?

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Great move by the Redskins. They now will clearly be in the Super Bowl next year.

Posted by: disgruntledfan | December 14, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

..so apparently the consensus is that cutting a player who isn't performing up to snuff is making him a scapegoat. Pffft. H. Smith has had a lousy year, and topped it of with that buffoonery at the end of the Tampa game. He deserves to be cut, and replaced. There are other players on this team that deserve to be cut, but aren't as easily replaced. Punting is simplistic, and so is kicking. When those guys stink over time, you cut ties.

Shaun S. had over two years to get himself together and be a reliable kicker. He had the worst made FG % in the league the year before last, then last year missed just three kicks - all the ones that mattered most! They were justified canning him, and if he's panning out well for Pittsburgh, good for him and them. That doesn't make the decision made in Washington at that time the wrong one.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ORAPKO is in the RIGHT position for his skill set. And I submit that the reason they decided to go to a 3-4 was precisely because they had players like Orapko and Carter. Daniels and Wynn were good Ends for stopping the run, but not as good pass rushers.

Posted by: periculum

Don't agree. I was among the very very few up here who actually favored using Orakpo at LB last year. Most people said he would better as a DE. I liked the idea of experimenting with him over his rookie year to determine what position he should play after that. And I came to the conclusion that most posters had supported long before me -- that he played best with his hand down at DE.

He played decently vs the run, was a liability in pass coverage and a total beast as a pass rusher. He has great speed coming off the edge and is powerful enough to beat OTs that get off balance. He created all sorts of problems for OTs.

At OLB, he has to participate in the weakest part of his game, pass coverage.

As for Carter as an OLB, talk about a total miss!!!

Orakpo is best as a DE -- and this is coming from someone who thought it a good idea to see him try his hand at LB.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Inconsistency, thy name is Shanahan:

Hunter Smith released after botched extra point

And Perry Riley is still on the team after committing a penalty in the Vikings' game that took away a game winning kick return?

Question: if you release a veteran kicker, why didn't you release the rookie special teamer?

Linebackers who make tackles on teams are as expendable as punters.

So why wasn't Riley released if the week before he did what Hunter did?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Hunter Smith's #31 ranked punting is obviously what's holding this team back.

Not McNabb's #25 QB ranking.

Not the #26 ranked running game.

Not the #25 ranked O-line.

Not the #28 ranked scoring offense (points per game)

Not the #22 ranked defense (points given up) or possibly #32 ranking (yards/game).

Nope. It's the #31 ranked punter... that was the problem!

I'm not defending Hunter Smith's punting. I'm saying there should be a heckuva lot MORE players hitting the bricks if this move was supposed to be about accountability.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 14, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:07 PM

So a guy who couldn't get a job with 31 other teams is a better option?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse
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Kinda like our starting WR for most of the year Joey Galloway? He was some hidden gem that couldn't catch on with a team when he was cut in week 4 last year by the Pats?? (who obviously don't know what they are doing)

Posted by: Joker99z | December 14, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the Dude missed the snap on the PAT attempt.

He also apparently spun the laces wrong and pushed two field goal attempts off center -- and nearly did it again with a third.

Then to add injury to insult -- he missed the on side kick off attempt and sent it straight into the hands of a Buccaneer receiver.

Fortunately, we'll keep the long snapper and place kicker.

And the merry go round goes round and round...

Posted by: Vic1 | December 14, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

YOU HAVE TO STOP THE RUN FIRST IN A 4-3.

3-4 or 4-3?: what's the best defense in today's pass happy NFL:

1 San Diego Chargers (3-4)

2 New York Giants (4-3)

3 New York Jets (3-4)

4 Pittsburgh Steelers (3-4)

5 Miami Dolphins (3-4)

6 New Orleans Saints (4-3)

7 Minnesota Vikings (4-3)

8 Chicago Bears (4-3)

9 Green Bay Packers (3-4)

10 Baltimore Ravens (3-4)

Conclusion?: the best defensive scheme is one where the coordinator matches personnel to scheme rather than forcing on his roster a style of defense that doesn't fit.

But for the long term, forcing the scheme on a roster during a rebuild is the best way to find out which players fit what you want to do moving forward.

The 2010 Washington Redskins defense is flawed, but after a season of making itself be what it's not, we now know it needs an true outside linebacker opposite Orakpo, an athletic free safety, a stud nose tackle, and strong defensive end.

Our defensive weaknesses only reflect our roster needs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

LOL wtf?

2009 weakness Offense
2010 weakness Offense and Defense

whats wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Joker99z | December 14, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I played Division I o-line in college, did a little long snapping too. That was a terrible snap by Sundberg. Just awful. I'm surprised he still has a job, considering all the bad snaps he's had this year.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | December 14, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

LOL wtf?

2009 weakness Offense
2010 weakness Offense and Defense

whats wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Joker99z | December 14, 2010 5:35 PM


But you have to admit, our special teams performance... oh, nevermind.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 14, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

That was a terrible snap by Sundberg. Just awful. I'm surprised he still has a job, considering all the bad snaps he's had this year.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | December 14, 2010 5:36 PM

Terrible. Hit the holder right in the hands.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Now, Hunter, you're a pro, right? If you were one of the top ten punters in the NFL you know that you'd still be punting next week. But you're not. You're #31. So, it's pretty easy to look for an upgrade. Bye-bye."

Gotta agree here, it's his job and he did not do it. But I also gotta say that snapper sucks balls.

Don't be surprised when Danny Smith gets the axe in the offseason. Other then Banks, his ST have been nothing short of "lackluster."

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 14, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep...that was a wet, high rocket that was damn near uncatchable. Sundberg's snaps all year have been total garbage. It was only a matter of time before he F-ed up a game for us...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not defending Hunter Smith's punting. I'm saying there should be a heckuva lot MORE players hitting the bricks if this move was supposed to be about accountability.

Posted by: Alan4


Players, maybe. One person who WON'T be hitting the bricks soon is named Kyle Shanahan.

And the person who should be first to hit hte bricks is named Haslett. (Well The danny can't fire himself)

Posted by: TheCork | December 14, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So why wasn't Riley released if the week before he did what Hunter did?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 5:28 PM


I think you're being facetious, Moe, but I'll play.

Because Riley, a rookie, was a 4th round pick who the Skins don't always envision being a special-teamer, whereas Smith is a 12-year veteran who will always do exactly what he's doing now, and if he's not excelling at it by now, well...

Posted by: freakzilla | December 14, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I have no major issue with Shanahan believing the 3-4 is a better scheme. I prefer a 4-3 for several reasons, but there are sound arguments both ways -- its really about implementation.

Where I don't agree with Shanahan is on the implementation. He has Orakpo, a beast of a DE playing OLB. Everytime he is pass coverage, its a win for the offense. He has Carter, who was in the top 10 in sacks in 2009 playing a spot that makes him a liability. He misread the Haynseworth thing in a big way.

In essence, Shanahan took a bunch of valuable assets and diminished the value of all of them. If you want to go 3-4, trade Carter and Albert for high picks or another similarly skilled player.

A lot of teams would love to have a high character guy who is top 10 in sacks on their team.

A lot of teams would want a guy who is under 30 and a season removed from DPOY at $9mil for 2 years (remember, we were gonna give Jason Taylor $8mil for 1 year if he only worked out with us ...).

It'd be hard to trade Orakpo and get full value, but we won't get full value if he plays OLB.

We kept what we shouldn't have kept and aren't using our resources properly. That is all on Shanahan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

That was a terrible snap by Sundberg. Just awful. I'm surprised he still has a job, considering all the bad snaps he's had this year.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | December 14, 2010 5:36 PM

Terrible. Hit the holder right in the hands.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Because a holder should be able to catch any snap good or bad right?

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm officially ashamed to be a skins fan. We are the clippers of the NFL.

Posted by: murphyz | December 14, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep...that was a wet, high rocket that was damn near uncatchable. Sundberg's snaps all year have been total garbage. It was only a matter of time before he F-ed up a game for us...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

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LOL...you have to be kidding me! Yes, his snaps have not been good, and if they can find another long snapper that they believe can do better, than go for it. Still...a "rocket"?! It was a godd**m snap for an extra point attempt, not a Brett Favre missle! He's supposed to catch a snap like that - in fact, the issue with the snap isn't that it would be difficult to catch, but to get down in time and placed properly for the kicker.

There are people that will do ANYTHING not to blame players, when our players have been consistently poor for almost 19 years.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The last great Redskins punter I can think of is Reggie Roby.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | December 14, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Because a holder should be able to catch any snap good or bad right?

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

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Sigh...YES. If it hits him in the hands clean, YES. He's supposed to catch it. Everytime.

That's why he makes ungodly money as a punter, too.

Not because he can punt. Lots of people can send a football into orbit with their foot.

Because he can CATCH. He HAS to catch lousy snaps on punts, and if he's a holder, come up with lousy snaps on kicks. That's the difference between the guy that plays on your soccer rec team that can boot a football a country mile, and Hunter Smith. He's paid like he is because he doesn't drop footballs on snaps.

The snapper job is the same deal, and if the snaps go out of the reach of the holder or punter, their out of a job TOO.

This snap was high, but absolutely should have been caught and placed. What football have you been watching all of these years?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

As for traditional measures, the Redskins have allowed the fourth-most sacks in the NFL (an average of 2.9 per game).

Friggin J Brown is a friggin EZ Pass toll lane.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm officially ashamed to be a skins fan. We are the clippers of the NFL.

Posted by: murphyz | December 14, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Dude where have you been the last 10 years. You're just now getting embarrassed?

Posted by: forever8-8 | December 14, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm officially ashamed to be a skins fan. We are the clippers of the NFL.

Posted by: murphyz | December 14, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Dude where have you been the last 10 years. You're just now getting embarrassed?

Posted by: forever8-8 | December 14, 2010 6:15 PM


No, that's not it. This clown just heard Tony Kornheiser say this on PTI and he ran to his computer to try to sound clever.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Yesternight were a good one on the ole blog.

1. No friggin Scott Campbell
2. No friggin MistaMoe
3. No friggin peep-peep

The only blot was friggin Diesel44 and his friggin know-it-all, high-football-IQ attitude, but hey, 3 out of four ain't bad, no?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Because a holder should be able to catch any snap good or bad right?

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 6:02 PM

I wouldn't go that far, but he ought to be able to catch the ones that hit him in the hands.

But what's that got to do with it? The guy is not a good punter. This is the time of the year when we should be trying out players to see who we want next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

As a former kicker, the snap was only so-so. It was a bit high, but not enough to say it was the snappers fault. It was made more difficult to handle cleanly by the fact that it was wet and cold. Blame probably does go to Hunter, by I would give him a pass because it was a difficult play to make. Also, I think everyone was out of their groove because of the earlier misses and near-misses.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This is similar to the argument in Major League. The bottom line is we're still sh{tty.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, newsflash, brownwood. The snap hit the punter right in his hands. Not over his head, not in the dirt. Right in his hands. Right where he should have caught it.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 5:12 PM


Here's another news flash: we have Gano at kicker, not Vinatieri. Even if we have Moseley in his prime, that XP doesn't go in. You know why? Because the high snap that "hit the punter right in his hands" was only hitting his hands because the Hunter had to halfway stand up and reach over his head. Even if he catches that, gets it down, and turns it laces out, it throws off the timing and either the damn thing gets blocked or Graham "Wide Left" Gano sends it off the upright. Game over.

Simple cause and effect, my friend. If the snap is true, the ball isn't skipping off the holder's outstretched hands. End of story.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

In essence, Shanahan took a bunch of valuable assets and diminished the value of all of them. If you want to go 3-4, trade Carter and Albert for high picks or another similarly skilled player.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 5:57 PM |

Partly agree. You ain't going to get high draft picks for AH because his performance capability is going downhill and he always has had a rep for being a headcase. Rak and Car are round pegs in square holes but MS and JH have unleashed the beast in LL, no?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins has summed up the ongoing problems of the skins in the last 8-10 years. In the last eight years, the skins have traded away 22 draft picks. 22 potential players. That's a potential starting or second team offense and defense traded away. UNBELIEVABLE

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 14, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 14, 2010 6:36 PM |

The other side of the coin is that you have bottom dwellers like Det, Oak, Stl, Buf, Cleve, etc. who for years have had high picks to stockpile talent and for the most part they still suck, although some have acquired decent coaches and are starting to move upwards.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

encinoman

2. No friggin MistaMoe

I'm glad that my absence from this forum brings you joy.

I spent last night at a shelter passing out food boxes to the homeless, clueless, and destitute, which is how your family got something to eat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The snap was 100% the reason.

FF to about the 48 second mark...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRh2CZqN7D0

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If Hunter was ranked 12th in net average, he would still be with the team. It should be obvious by now that our kicking game needs to improve if we are going to win more close games. Why not start the process now? Why wait?

And his net average isn't low because they asked him to punt directionally. Every punter in the league has to do that a few times a game.

Posted by: NYPDee | December 14, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Better clip...is the snap a little high, yeah it's a little high...it was damn near over his head!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qFse6U3_o&feature=related

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me again why they got rid of Albright??

Posted by: westjr88 | December 14, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Better clip...is the snap a little high, yeah it's a little high...it was damn near over his head!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3qFse6U3_o&feature=related

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2010 6:52 PM | Report
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Stop it, it's embarrassing.

The snap is high..but he only slightly raises his knee to get his hands out for the ball. This is a snap he's got to catch. On a long FG, I'd blame the snapper for the missed kick because the timing is more critical the further you get away from the posts...but a PT? Nope, not buying it.

He dropped it, and he stated himself it was his fault.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

As a former kicker, the snap was only so-so. It was a bit high, but not enough to say it was the snappers fault. It was made more difficult to handle cleanly by the fact that it was wet and cold.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 6:29 PM |

You wonder if they ever rehearse what to do when there is a fork-up. Like mebbe have Guano or Poonter try a rehearsed pass play of some sort if possible. Once the rush is past them, receivers should maneuver to get open. It obviously would be a long shot but you should have all contingencies covered, no?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Broncos could move back to the 4-3 base defense that Shanahan used.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Because a holder should be able to catch any snap good or bad right?

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 6:02 PM

I wouldn't go that far, but he ought to be able to catch the ones that hit him in the hands.

But what's that got to do with it? The guy is not a good punter. This is the time of the year when we should be trying out players to see who we want next year.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

First, sorry for late reply, work stanks.
Second, if you are looking for distance, sure he's terrible, but in terms of accuracy and placement he has been more than reliable this season. No he isn't the greatest punter, but on and off the field he does what needs to be done.

I am probably just a little bitter though. I know the guy a little and he's a classy fella. I am pretty upset that he lost his job for various reasons.

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me again why they got rid of Albright??

Posted by: westjr88 | December 14, 2010 6:56 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

been saying that all season...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Two names for you..

David Akers and Matt Turk.

Akers played one game for us and has now played 185 for the Eagles.

Matt Turk played 5 seasons for us and has been in the league 10 years since he was released.

Both cut in 1999, Snyder bought the team in 1999. Coincidence?

Bottom-line: The Skins need to cut the punter, kicker, and LS. 1st up was Hunter, deservedly so.

Enough of the nudnicks up here whining about a freaking punter.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Broncos could move back to the 4-3 base defense that Shanahan used.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 14, 2010 6:59 PM |

Have they replaced McDaniel? Who is their new HC?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Because a holder should be able to catch any snap good or bad right?

Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

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Sigh...YES. If it hits him in the hands clean, YES. He's supposed to catch it. Everytime.

That's why he makes ungodly money as a punter, too.

Not because he can punt. Lots of people can send a football into orbit with their foot.

Because he can CATCH. He HAS to catch lousy snaps on punts, and if he's a holder, come up with lousy snaps on kicks. That's the difference between the guy that plays on your soccer rec team that can boot a football a country mile, and Hunter Smith. He's paid like he is because he doesn't drop footballs on snaps.

The snapper job is the same deal, and if the snaps go out of the reach of the holder or punter, their out of a job TOO.

This snap was high, but absolutely should have been caught and placed. What football have you been watching all of these years?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse


This

Here's another news flash: we have Gano at kicker, not Vinatieri. Even if we have Moseley in his prime, that XP doesn't go in. You know why? Because the high snap that "hit the punter right in his hands" was only hitting his hands because the Hunter had to halfway stand up and reach over his head. Even if he catches that, gets it down, and turns it laces out, it throws off the timing and either the damn thing gets blocked or Graham "Wide Left" Gano sends it off the upright. Game over.

Simple cause and effect, my friend. If the snap is true, the ball isn't skipping off the holder's outstretched hands. End of story.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: WishboneJr | December 14, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

In essence, Shanahan took a bunch of valuable assets and diminished the value of all of them. If you want to go 3-4, trade Carter and Albert for high picks or another similarly skilled player.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 5:57 PM |

Partly agree. You ain't going to get high draft picks for AH because his performance capability is going downhill and he always has had a rep for being a headcase. Rak and Car are round pegs in square holes but MS and JH have unleashed the beast in LL, no?

Posted by: EncinoMan

This organization needs to 'sell high'. Wrote a ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES on it a few weeks back. Sell when the guy is near his peak value. If you know you're going 3-4 and Carter and Haynesworth aren't likely to fit, sell before their value goes down and you waste time and $$ on them. I like Carter, but I can't see any rational reason for him to play in this system. Arrange a deal where he can go somewhere where he's valuable. The Saints, Bears, Vikes, Raiders, 49ers are all places where he'd be better off.

As for Albert, DET with his former D coach or back to Tenn would have been destinations. I'm sure Tennessee would have loved to have him back for the cheap salary.

but here's the thing ... you've gotta sell it!! That includes being smart about when you sell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me again why they got rid of Albright??

Posted by: westjr88 | December 14, 2010 6:56 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

been saying that all season...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 14, 2010 7:01 PM

Oh Jiminy Crickets...There is something to be learned on this very blog and then you wouldn't have to ask the same question all season.

He's not here because he had offseson surgery on his back and wasn't ready to go physically. He tried to catch on with S.D. in week 4 but was cut 2 weeks later. He's 39 and his back is gonzo.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone please explain to me again why they got rid of Albright??

Posted by: westjr88 | December 14, 2010 6:56 PM

Because he had a back operation in the off season and, once he returned, he played one game for the Chargers before he was cut. His time is over.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

The snap is high..but he only slightly raises his knee to get his hands out for the ball. This is a snap he's got to catch. On a long FG, I'd blame the snapper for the missed kick because the timing is more critical the further you get away from the posts...but a PT? Nope, not buying it.

He dropped it, and he stated himself it was his fault.
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If the holder comes off his feet to catch the ball what then? You want a 34 old punter to out run the defense???

It is pretty ridiculous that a.) They cut their punter over this when their season is clearly over. b.) people waste time arguing about it on a blog.

You can clearly tell the people that have coached or played football and the ones that think they have since they watched it on television and stayed at a holiday inn last night.

IT WAS A Terrible snap, but more so a the place kicker should be the one hitting the street for missing the two early field goals. Or the offense that is one of the worst in the red zone this year.

But we can just bury our head in the sand and all will be alright next year since we got rid of Hunter Smith.

LOL

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 14, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

OK, upon further review, Hunter could have done better to get that down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRh2CZqN7D0

Still...if you're gonna can the punter, you should can the LS too. Sundberg has sucked all year...that's the first time Hunter did something putrid like that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Here's another news flash: we have Gano at kicker, not Vinatieri.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2010 6:31 PM


Of course, Vinatieri has made every kick attempt this season, except at FedEx where he went 2 for 4.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

is McChoke and rexy too good to be the holder on ep's? I always thought it was netter to have a qb as the holder in case a botched snap or a fake attempt! Guessthe nfl won't go back to it! God I hope we don't get stomped this week like the FeAGles and G-(ay)-men destroyed us! It's bad enough to have to live in PA with philly and ny fans trashing us but the overwhelming number of cowgirl fans talking crap if they blow us out would make me bust out the brass knuckles on those fools!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 14, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2010 7:13 PM |

Coming off the season he had in DC MS wasn't going to get no high draft picks for lard boy even if he went to friendly environs. What really sucked was that a two-time SB winning coach got into a very protracted and very public squabble with the dirt bag like they was two 9 yr-olds on the playground trying to one-up each other. It sucked, but in a way it was also black comedy that wasn't very funny to Skins fans but the media played it to the hilt.

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'd say about 50 percent of the posters on here are related to Fag-a-han ... How can yall blindly go with whatever he says ..? Do u think for yourself ? Yall let them 2 SB's he won gas yall ... He had Elway more than 2 years ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

why the heck isn't a back-up qb the holder?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

encinoman

Coming off the season he had in DC MS wasn't going to get no high draft picks for lard boy (AH) even if he went to friendly environs.

We'll ignore the double negative, "..wasn't going to get no high draft picks..," as our family training emphasized mercy in light of the failures of the obviously handicapped.

The Tenn Titans offered a 4th rounder for Albert Haynesworth at the start of this season.

The criticism of Shanahan, then, is to ask why he didn't take that pick in trade early on.

(Yeah, I know, He Had A Dream about Haynesworth playing NT that had to be borne out.)

No matter what redskins fans think, 6'6" 330 pound former defensive stud Albert Haynesworth DOES have value in the open market.

This issue is why Shanny didn't take that value at it's peak.

And with that being said, we'll still get something if that value is at the lowest (5th).

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd say about 50 percent of the posters on here are related to Fag-a-han ... How can yall blindly go with whatever he says ..? Do u think for yourself ? Yall let them 2 SB's he won gas yall ... He had Elway more than 2 years ..

Posted by: NiqueThaG8 | December 14, 2010 7:32 PM

Funny you should ask you homophobic genius...I am related to him, I relate to his success. In fact I eat failure and s h i t success.

What is Nique tha gate? Did you mean GR8? Now that is funny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

why the heck isn't a back-up qb the holder?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse


I believe the thinking is that a backup QB doesn't get any long snaps when a punter does. Getting a snap from 10 yards back vs from under center or a shotgun snap, big difference.

I say a wild cat QB should be holder, buy your not going to see banks back there.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 14, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse


why the heck isn't a back-up qb the holder?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 7:45 PM |
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because, as brown would say, he's the "human turnover".

Posted by: hessone | December 14, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's another news flash: we have Gano at kicker, not Vinatieri.

I gotta a flash bigger than that: if you rush for 170+ yards, you should have touchdowns on the board, and not be depending on late game field goals to win games.

Y'all blame Sundberg, Smith, and Gano.

I say the offense should have had three touchdowns.

We should've won that game 24-17.

Don't blame the kicker, blame the offense for not scoring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I say we draft a holder..

Top 5 holders in the 2011 draft
1. Zach Frazer, QB, Connecticut
2. Mitch Mustain, QB, USC
3. Matt Dodge, P, East Carolina
4. Leigh Tiffin, K, Alabama
5. Taylor Potts, QB, Texas Tech

#4 is a weird one, he's rated the #4 holder yet he's a kicker. Dual threat!

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

why the heck isn't a back-up qb the holder?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 7:45 PM

Because they don't want to take the backup qb away from practice to go work with the kicker.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Signs point to possible Rex Grossman start
Posted by Mike Florio on December 14, 2010, 4:22 PM EST

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/14/signs-point-to-possible-rex-grossman-start/

On Sunday, FOX’s Jay Glazer reported that Redskins backup quarterback Rex Grossman split first-team reps with starter Donovan McNabb in practice last week, and that McNabb would be on a short leash against the Bucs.

In the wake of a one-point loss at home to Tampa, the leash may be even shorter.

Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports there’s a chance Grossman will start on Sunday at Dallas. Though Kelli Johnson of CSN Washington cites an unnamed team source who says, “I don’t think that’s true,” we’ve also heard that Grossman could be getting the start but that, at this point, nothing is definite.

It could be that the two men share the reps in practice again, and that coach Mike Shanahan decides on a starter based on how they both work this week.

Meanwhile, we hope McNabb didn’t spend that $40 million guaranteed all in one place.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

This is Dallas week? Where are the sock puppets?

Posted by: Pepper5 | December 14, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This snap was high, but absolutely should have been caught and placed. What football have you been watching all of these years?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 14, 2010 6:14 PM

Co-sign.


Sorry to those who cannot see it, but the snap should have been caught.

It was the holders error. Was the snap perfect? No. Did he snap it over their heads? NO. Hunter got both hands on the ball and he didn't catch it. It was a cold wet ball and it slipped threw his hands.

Also:

You wonder if they ever rehearse what to do when there is a fork-up. Like mebbe have Guano or Poonter try a rehearsed pass play of some sort if possible. Once the rush is past them, receivers should maneuver to get open. It obviously would be a long shot but you should have all contingencies covered, no?

Posted by: EncinoMan | December 14, 2010 6:59 PM

Yeah, they have stuff rehearsed, but they had no chance. The defnder was on Ganno as soon as he got to the ball.

It's just what it is, a bad play.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

why the heck isn't a back-up qb the holder?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 7:45 PM

Because they don't want to take the backup qb away from practice to go work with the kicker.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 14, 2010 8:11 PM

I remember when Theisman held for Mosely. He was one hell of a good holder.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Theisman held for Mosely. He was one hell of a good holder.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 8:49 PM
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i like that set up much better. fake kick is a serious threat every time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Theisman held for Mosely. He was one hell of a good holder.

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 8:49 PM
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i like that set up much better. fake kick is a serious threat every time.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | December 14, 2010 8:54 PM

I do too. But one time, Joe wasn't quite fast enough and Mosely kicked his hand, breaking his left pinky finger. Also, sometimes the holders get hit, so it does involve some risk...

Although Hunter throws a pretty mean pass. I seem to remember him having as many TD passes to a WR as JC-17 for a couple of weeks there last season. That was before Swinging Gate, however.

oh yeah...

F-DALLAS!

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Shanny sure sent a strong signal to the team.

Mediocrity and mistakes will clearly not be tolerated around here.

New culture, boys...lose and the punter get CUT!

LET THAT BE A LESSON TO YOU ALL!

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Too bad he didn't cut the fool who messed up the play calling and clock management.

Wait, that could be suicide. Or a replay of Moses and his son...

Posted by: pyrotech | December 14, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Only an idiot would have a punter holding anyway. Nice threat for a fake, right? I mean, punters usually have the best hands on the team right?

Exactly. They should put an athlete as the holder. Cooley, maybe?

But, a stiff brain like Shanny knows one thing for sure: Punters and Kickers go together.

They're like chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 14, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Notice a trend here friends? Sundberg and Bidwell are previous personnel decsiions by Shanny and Allen. Both have been disasters this year. Hunter is the scapegoat for both.

Was it somehow smart to cut Smith after what was a very strong year last year punting? We were all singing his praises and relieved we finally had a real preofessional in that role. Why? To replace him with an older, more injury-prone player just because he had ties to Allen at TB?

You may recall that Hunter was lauded for being selfless after the CHI game when we punted around Hester to WIN. At the time it was widely commented upon that he knew he was ruining his average but doing the right thing for the team and the WIN.

What about Sundberg for the Albright? Do you sense another "I was right on my personnel decisions in Denver" move here by Shanny? Do you recall having to talk about snap placement over the past 5 years or so? The snap was in Hunter's earhole. Hunter has a reputation in the league as a great holder.

Sure, let's fire HIM and let Sundberg stay. It's all about accountability, right?, and Hunter dropped one PAT while Sundberg has muffed at least 10 snaps that required Hunter to "fix it". Sure, he's really the issue here.

I've been silent on Shanny this year--hoping and waiting for his decisions to pan out. Some have. But this one smells grossly political and it shakes my faith in him and the GM.

Posted by: Cookie4 | December 14, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a brilliant organization. For the last 10 years they have made ridiculous coaching and management decisions yet Snyder has managed to keep all of the debate on play calls and player performance. The real issue is that Snyder has no respect for team management, coaches or players. He's like the CEO of a mediocre company that surrounds himself with yes men that he can manipulate rather than qualified leaders he can defer to. As long as the
Redskins can still sell tickets and merchandise to remain one of the most profitable teams in the league, Snyder will not play to win. He will just continue to bring in high profile/average talent/past their prime players to draw publicity and ticket sales. And great players that they do recruit will not play to their potential because of the spirit of distrust and disrespect that Snyder creates. Didn't Snyder begin his career at the old Andersen Consulting? And every lifelong Washingtonian surely knows how he treated management and staff at his company Snyder Communications. So until we either stop making Snyder rich by going to the games or get rid the of the toxic owner, nothing will ever change!

Posted by: my2sense1 | December 14, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Diesel @ 8:05, how on earth do they decide how to rate holders?

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I've been silent on Shanny this year--hoping and waiting for his decisions to pan out. Some have. But this one smells grossly political and it shakes my faith in him and the GM.

Posted by: Cookie4 | December 14, 2010 9:50 PM

Silence is recommended until you can come back with something even remotely in the ball park of being accurate.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The reason that punters are holders is b/c those three guys have to hang out during camp and practice. Teams can't spare a body so the idea is that they all three practice together and get the chemistry like its second nature. Also, it makes for a great, but as yet unused fake kick play. They fake the FG and punt instead. Real hard to get it off before getting drilled, but if you do, its real easy to draw a roughing the punter flag.

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The reason that punters are holders is b/c those three guys have to hang out during camp and practice. Teams can't spare a body so the idea is that they all three practice together and get the chemistry like its second nature. Also, it makes for a great, but as yet unused fake kick play. They fake the FG and punt instead. Real hard to get it off before getting drilled, but if you do, its real easy to draw a roughing the punter flag.

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Diesel @ 8:05, how on earth do they decide how to rate holders?

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2010 9:55 PM

Sorry dude. I thought when a put the #4 guy in there who was a K and called him a dull threat that I might have tipped my hand.

Just mocking the peeps crying when we release K, P, & LS that aren't getting the job done.

It's a fictitious list, at least until Mel Kiper and Todd McShay break that position down on ESPN.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Hunter the punter will probably go to the Steelers and get big dollars. Like Suisham (maybe holding for Suisham). He will play perfectly all of the sudden once he gets to a "winner".

One of two things is true about the Suisham situation. Either he was an incompetent "professional" when he could not kick well for the Redskins and suddenly the UBER talented Steelers "coached him up" to drive deep kick-offs, and kick long 50 yard+ feild goals with perfect 12 of 12 accuracy orrrrr, you guessed it Johnny... the League, the NFL, the niffle, is FIXED.
Let us watch the career of Hunter the Punter (post Skins) and compare to Brandon Lloyd, Ryan Clark, Antwaan Randle El, among others that have suddenly blossomed after leaving the Redskins.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 14, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should fire the person most responsible for the loss. Kyle Shanahan.

He is the worst OC ever. I was at the game and the other fans and I couldn't believe he wasn't calling running plays in the 4th quarter. Torain and the OL were killing the Bucs.

Never seen anything like it..

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | December 14, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm OK with Hunter the Punter being cut loose (although, he was our offensive MVP last year), but the long snapper, let's call him "He Sucks" has been throwing high snaps all season. He should be cut as well. Not thrilled with Gano but apparently he has some pics of Shanny and Smith together in a lip lock, so they can't cut him.

Posted by: robb9crock | December 14, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Hunter wanted off of this stranded cruise ship, that's why he took all the blame. Now he's free to sign with a potential playoff team that might be looking to upgrade at punter and know his past reputation as a professional. Good luck Hunter, where ever you wind up.

Posted by: unquiltom | December 14, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

One of two things is true about the Suisham situation. Either he was an incompetent "professional" when he could not kick well for the Redskins and suddenly the UBER talented Steelers "coached him up" to drive deep kick-offs, and kick long 50 yard+ feild goals with perfect 12 of 12 accuracy orrrrr, you guessed it Johnny... the League, the NFL, the niffle, is FIXED.
Posted by: DownTownClown | December 14, 2010 10:21 PM

Perhaps the Steelers just have better coaches...

Posted by: edvar | December 14, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Hunter got cut but the suckasss snapper gets to stay? Come'on.
Sundberg has been snapping the ball high all season. I understand keeping Gano, he has potential and can do some special things when he's playing well.
What the hell is up with this new staff? This is the same BS we've seen for years (see Durant Brooks)....

Posted by: priceisright | December 14, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

It's time for looking at trade options and rebuilding. Here's an interesting idea. I now live in Minnesota. They are losing a HOF QB (We"ll never forget you Brent) and an old all pro DT Pat Williams(retiring). They need to take action to Win NOW with .the talent they have. They run a 4-3 defense and a west coast offense. We need to rebuild through the draft. D Mac and fat AH as a pair to the Vikings are worth some pretty good trade value. at least a #1 and a future pick based on playing time and results. May be a lineman as well. what do ya'll think

Posted by: boysheadcoach | December 14, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Too bad he didn't cut the fool who messed up the play calling and clock management.

Wait, that could be suicide. Or a replay of Moses and his son...

Posted by: pyrotech | December 14, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Now, I'm no Biblical scholar, but do you mean Abraham, like, such as, sacrificing the son?

And Dies and beeps: you two are slacking in your jobs of policing opinion and intelligence on this blog if it takes nearly two hours to smack this sort of ignorance-bordering-on-blogging-insolence.

(I'm joking, pyro: all are welcome.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 14, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

My bad, stevie-in-gp, you exposed my ignorance of Biblical proportions.

Now, which book has the parable of Santa Claus and the 3 wise GM's?

Posted by: pyrotech | December 14, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The game was lost long before the holder lost the ball...What a dumb move...if anything, Gano was a prime candidate to be cut...

The smart thing would have been to cut NOBODY...the game was lost by the actions of the TEAM and it didn't come down to any one play or player...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 14, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

@pyro:

Same book as this famous plea:

"O God, ease our suffering in this, our moment of great despair. Yea, admit this kind and decent woman into thy arms of thine heavenly area, up there. And Moab, he lay us upon the band of the Canaanites, and yea, though the Hindus speak of karma, I implore you: give her a break."


A couple slight changes and that would make a pretty good Skins' fan's prayer, actually . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 14, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't get why anybody cares how much money the Redskins spend on players and coaches!! MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE AND NOT IN A SISTUATION TO BE FRUGAL NANCYS WITH SO MANY HOLES A CULTURE OF LOSING AND FEW DRAFT PICKS WE NEED TO OVER PAY TO HAVE A PLAYER WANT TO PLAY FOR A LOSING TEAM ! The Redskins are the 2nd most Profitable team in the nfl and the 3rd in all of sports behind the yankees and the cowgirls! Money is not an issue it's danny boys dough and the less money he spends the odds he will never leave increase! ODDS ARE THE CAP WILL NOT RETURN AS THE PLAYERS DON't WANT A SALARY MAX CAP ONLY A MIN SALARY CAP, AND IF THE OWNERS AND PLAYERS AGREE TO BRING BACK THE CAP IT WILL BE THE HIGHEST IT HAS EVER BEEN SO MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE SO PPL NEED TO STOP HAVING STROKES ABOUT HOW MUCH THE SKINS ARE PAYING OUT IT's REALLY REALLY FUNNY

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 15, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of stop having strokes . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 15, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Danny boy is a very very rich man, it's a retarded idea for any dumbass to think Danny will sell the team if idiot fans stop coming to the games, buying Redskins merch and tickets bc ALL THAT WOULD CAUSE IS THAT THE REDSKIN GAMES WOULD BE BLACKED OUT EVEN IF THEY WERE DOING PRETTY GOOD LIKE THE JAGS AND BUCS GAMES ARE! He would never sell the team, he is a Fan! If he would sell lmao sum redneck would prolly buy it and see it's no longer one of the most profitable teams and move the Skins to Richmond! That must be what some of these complete and udder retards want! I AM GLAD THE REDAKINS HAVE A OWNER THAT IS WILLING TO SPEND SOME OF THE PROFIT MONEY THE FANS SPEND ON MERCH AND TICKETS TO TRY TO MAKE THE TEAM BETTER INSTEAD OF SOME FRUGAL POS OWNER JUST LINING HIS POCKETS WITH THE FANS MONEY SPENDING NONE ON THE TEAM AND THE STADIUM! HTTR!! It's better to have danny than have sum frugal chump

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 15, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

don't matter win or lose I perfer to be able to watch the skins on sunday

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 15, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: warriorking111285

Two thoughts here:

1) How about an occasional paragraph break? Think of it as taking a breath before you pass out.

2) LET'S GIVE THE ALL CAPS A FRIGGEN BREAK ALREADY!!!!! Much like good cooking, a little spice goes a long way when used properly.

Posted by: edvar | December 15, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

The smart thing would have been to cut NOBODY...the game was lost by the actions of the TEAM and it didn't come down to any one play or player...

Posted by: pentagon40 | December 14, 2010 11:42 PM


Bam!


No one needed to be cut after that game because of their errors - lest we also start cutting Coaches and their sons...

Posted by: edvar | December 15, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok, the higher the player salary the more money the owners have to dish out the more they charge us for tickets, parking, concessions and memorabilia. Why complain about having to spend more on a spitty team?

Posted by: murphyz | December 15, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

@ stevie_in_gp

I've been trying to come up with the Four Horsemen of the Redskins Apocalypse: Ownership (Snyder), Personnel (Cerrato), Coaching (Zorn, Spurrier), and Performance (take your pick).

"And lo, I looked upon a field known as FedEx, and saw the number of the beast, which was 92. And he sat upon his ass, which was loathsome to behold..."

Posted by: pyrotech | December 15, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

texting from my phone if I press enter it submits it unless I wanna spend 10mins pressing the space bar I can do it but I really don't care bc it's a comment on a blog not a email or anything important
damn palm I hate it

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 15, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

texting from my phone if I press enter it submits it unless I wanna spend 10mins pressing the space bar I can do it but I really don't care bc it's a comment on a blog not a email or anything important
damn palm I hate it

Posted by: warriorking111285 | December 15, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Refreshing openness, warrio.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | December 15, 2010 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

Now sit up straight and stop misusing your palm.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 15, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Only an idiot would have a punter holding anyway. Nice threat for a fake, right?

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 14, 2010 9:46 PM


Once again, "Thinker" not quite living up to his handle.

At least half the teams in the league use their punter to hold for FGs--and that's a conservative estimate. Tony Romo basically ruined it for backup QBs with that botched hold in that playoff game in Seattle a few years back, as most teams now use the punter because A) he's not doing sh*t else in practice and B) you want your QB practicing actual plays in practice instead of playing caddy to a damn kicker. As for hands, it stands to reason if you can catch a snap for a punt, you can catch a snap for a FG. Essentially the same skill set.

Further proving you're an idiot is the fact that Hunter Smith had a rushing AND passing TD for the Skins last season, so I'm pretty sure having the punter holding has ZERO effect on whether you're a threat to run the fake.

But hey...don't let fact get in the way of a good argument...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Was Smith really the problem or just the one that looked like a witch on a witch hunt?

Posted by: fat_back | December 15, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds: Redskins-Bucs
By John Keim

Studs

RB Ryan Torain. Anyone who rushes for 172 yards deserves to be on the list, don’t you think? Torain had a special first half with 158 yards as the Redskins did an excellent job burning a defense that overpursued. The Bucs would overload a side, the Redskins would flow that way and with one cutback block, Torain would have a nice lane. Sometimes he didn’t need to cut back; they would just run to the side that was not overloaded. Tampa adjusted in the second half by blitzing the strong safety and the middle linebacker and the Redskins attempted to throw a little more. Listen, at some point they have to take advantage of the run by throwing. That’s the way it’s designed; they did so a couple times. So if there’s a series where they throw more, that’s part of the reason why. You set up a team for a couple quarters, you have to take advantage at some point. But, anyway, Torain was excellent; he broke more arm tackles at the line, pressed the hole well and broke tackles downfield. Have to give the play design some credit, too. The Redskins would motion TE Chris Cooley away from the stretch side and have him run a “route” on the other side; that often eliminated the linebacker on that side.

WR Santana Moss. We won’t bring up his blocking until later, but, well, OK I’ll start with it. Moss missed a few blocks downfield that would have helped garner longer runs. Some weak attempts by Moss. But he did manage 82 yards receiving and had some nice catch and runs. He also got inside Ronde Barber for the game-tying pass and that’s really why he’s on this list. Trust me, it wasn’t for his blocking.

RB Keiland Williams. I like his energy. Williams is limited, but he does play with some spunk. Call it the benefit of having a young guy in the lineup. But he also did a nice job with his blitz pickups, whether he had to get a linebacker inside or whether he had to pick up a corner off the edge. He caught three passes for 60 yards, including two for 24 on the final drive. And he rushed four times for 16 yards, including a third-down and five run for seven yards.

LG Kory Lichtensteiger. This might be a first; the 'Steiger by his lonesome on the Studs list. All right, 'Steigs! But he deserves it. The ‘Steiger, with Gerald McCoy out of the game, was able to reach the linebackers a little more. A couple times he was able to block two men, including on Torain 12-yard run in the fourth when he got blocked a lineman and then sealed a linebacker. He took care of the strong safety on the 54-yard run. The rest of the line did a pretty good job, which is the only way you rush for 172 yards. But it appeared that ‘Steiger was more consistent. Still wish he could play with more power, but that’ll never be his game. Sunday, it didn’t hurt him and in fact his footwork helped.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

One more thought this morning.
Smith ranked 31st on a team that could very well be the 32nd worst team in the NFL. The defense is rated 32nd in the NFL why don’t we fire Haslet? Better yet any head coach with a record of 5 wins should be fired. Did the team really get better by letting Smith go this late in the season?

Posted by: fat_back | December 15, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

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RG Will Montgomery. Like ‘Steiger, he had his moments where he’d get driven back. But for the most part he did a nice job doing what the Redskins wanted him to do. He was able to reach the linebacker on the 54-yard run; did a decent job when the Bucs overloaded his side a couple times. He wasn’t as good as the ‘Steiger, but when you rush for this many yards, it’s more than a couple guys.

SS Reed Doughty. Let’s measure this not by what LaRon Landry might have done, but by what the Redskins asked Doughty to do. And what they wanted him to do, he did well. Doughty finished with nine tackles and though the official stat sheet didn’t give him credit for a tackle for a loss, I am because he did have one on a backside blitz. He was solid. The one flaw was arriving a half-step late on a pass to Kellen Winslow. The pass was pretty nice and maybe Landry wouldn’t have gotten there. But it seems anytime Doughty just misses, the assumption is that it’s because he was a step slow. Not sure that’s fair, but regardless he did a good job.

Duds

LS Nick Sundberg. Yes, the weather was bad. It was bad for Tampa’s long snapper, too, and you didn’t see any issues. Nor did you always see issues with Sundberg’s other snaps. Nor was there much difference in his snaps Sunday than there were in other games.

PK Graham Gano. Two missed field goals under 35 yards will get you on this list every day. And even the one he made, in addition to the extra point he converted, were adventures. Uh, his kickoffs were good. It simply wasn’t his best game and he overcompensated for the weather. Seemed to get in his head. Lesson learned?

P/H Hunter Smith. OK, he was cut Tuesday and now everyone will think he’s a scapegoat for that loss. Don’t think that’s the case. Problem is, his punting wasn’t good and he’s been in the league since 1999. He’s not going to get better. Gano? Maybe he will. Anyway; Smith has been able to make that hold many times and he took the blame. Kudos to him for being a stand-up guy. If he wasn’t the last guy in the locker room, he was one of the last. The reason? He answered every question.

Chris Wilson. Love the guy, but even he knows he messed up on the opening kickoff of the second half. The No. 1 rule on returns? Secure the ball. He tried to scoop and run; then, when that failed, he tried to scoop again instead of just falling on the ball. Had he run the ball the Redskins would have started around the 40. Had he fallen on it, they would have started around the 33. For those seven yards, he fumbled.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

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RG Will Montgomery. Like ‘Steiger, he had his moments where he’d get driven back. But for the most part he did a nice job doing what the Redskins wanted him to do. He was able to reach the linebacker on the 54-yard run; did a decent job when the Bucs overloaded his side a couple times. He wasn’t as good as the ‘Steiger, but when you rush for this many yards, it’s more than a couple guys.

SS Reed Doughty. Let’s measure this not by what LaRon Landry might have done, but by what the Redskins asked Doughty to do. And what they wanted him to do, he did well. Doughty finished with nine tackles and though the official stat sheet didn’t give him credit for a tackle for a loss, I am because he did have one on a backside blitz. He was solid. The one flaw was arriving a half-step late on a pass to Kellen Winslow. The pass was pretty nice and maybe Landry wouldn’t have gotten there. But it seems anytime Doughty just misses, the assumption is that it’s because he was a step slow. Not sure that’s fair, but regardless he did a good job.

Duds

LS Nick Sundberg. Yes, the weather was bad. It was bad for Tampa’s long snapper, too, and you didn’t see any issues. Nor did you always see issues with Sundberg’s other snaps. Nor was there much difference in his snaps Sunday than there were in other games.

PK Graham Gano. Two missed field goals under 35 yards will get you on this list every day. And even the one he made, in addition to the extra point he converted, were adventures. Uh, his kickoffs were good. It simply wasn’t his best game and he overcompensated for the weather. Seemed to get in his head. Lesson learned?

P/H Hunter Smith. OK, he was cut Tuesday and now everyone will think he’s a scapegoat for that loss. Don’t think that’s the case. Problem is, his punting wasn’t good and he’s been in the league since 1999. He’s not going to get better. Gano? Maybe he will. Anyway; Smith has been able to make that hold many times and he took the blame. Kudos to him for being a stand-up guy. If he wasn’t the last guy in the locker room, he was one of the last. The reason? He answered every question.

Chris Wilson. Love the guy, but even he knows he messed up on the opening kickoff of the second half. The No. 1 rule on returns? Secure the ball. He tried to scoop and run; then, when that failed, he tried to scoop again instead of just falling on the ball. Had he run the ball the Redskins would have started around the 40. Had he fallen on it, they would have started around the 33. For those seven yards, he fumbled.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

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NG Maake Kemoeatu. Notice Anthony Bryant playing more in the second half? He was not moved as easily as Kemoeatu was. Once again, too often the center was able to control him one on one. That’s not helpful for the linebackers at all. Bryant started playing more in the second quarter and that continued in the second half. He was better at holding his ground in the middle; Bryant only assisted on half a tackle, but he was more effective at doing his job than Kemoeatu.

CB DeAngelo Hall. He factored in three plays that were rather large. First: He had a chance for a pick-six in the first quarter, reading a hurried Josh Freeman and breaking on the ball, but he dropped it. Great read and reaction, but this team needed a huge play and he failed when he had that chance. Second: He admitted he played for the smoke route, and then a short one, in the third quarter when Arrelious Benn raced past him for a 64-yard pass that set up a field goal. Third: On a third and 11 early in the third quarter, Hall had a chance to stop Cadillac Williams for no gain on a screen pass, or even force an incompletion. But he thought the ball might be overthrown and raced to Williams’ outside shoulder. Alas, Williams caught it and gained nine yards. What might have been a 53-yard field goal turned into a 44-yard one. Hall’s plays accounted for a potential 13-point swing.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

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Suds (half-studs/half-duds)

QB Donovan McNabb. Would have made him a dud, but he came through in the final two minutes; that’s money time and it provided him bonus points. He did an excellent job of staying patient and working the Bucs underneath. And the throw on fourth down to Santana Moss was perfect. He also led a scoring drive right before halftime, even though there was some major clock mismanagement. McNabb, though, continues to miss on passes. Take the first drive; he missed Chris Cooley wide because he skipped another pass. Why? Because he opened his shoulders and his left foot was to his side. McNabb then leaned to his left on the throw; guess where the throw went? He was under duress, but he could have planted his foot. Instead of a first down inside the 10 – or maybe a touchdown – it was fourth down and Gano missed the field goal. McNabb should have been picked off at least twice, both times when he seemingly did not see the defender. And another time he threw low to Santana Moss, denying him a chance to run after the catch. And yet another time he was nearly picked in the flat, but wasn’t because the pass was too low. However, he can thank Torain for that. Torain actually interfered with his ability to step into this throw in the flat. McNabb did not seem to see the linebacker; had the pass been higher, an interception was likely. Add it up and it equals 16 points. Cripes, this was a reluctant sud. Really, his play wasn't very good. Maybe the worst 100.7 passer rating day I've seen. But, had they won in overtime, I would have been saying how he came through when they needed him. So ...


LB Rocky McIntosh. He did a better job with his run fits and was more active; it helped when Anthony Bryant was at nose guard there seemed to be less movement up front, enabling McIntosh to fill. Anyway, he did a nice job. But I also think part of it had to do with the LeGarrette Blount’s style; he’s a straight-ahead runner who rarely cuts. So McIntosh wasn’t caught out of position as he’s been at other times. But his coverage on Kellen Winslow was rather weak; got twisted around a couple times and that’s a weakness of this unit. It flared up again at the worst time.

NOTE

Have to say, though Trent Williams was inconsistent, there were a couple times when his athleticism was pretty good to watch. Both times came on the last drive. On one play, he blocked down as the end slanted inside, setting up a stunt. But Williams got caught too far inside. However, he was able to recover and lunge back to the outside to knock the tackle off stride and keep McNabb clean. A couple plays later, Ronde Barber blitzed from the slot, but he never got to the QB as Williams lunged out at him; it was a pretty good distance for him to get there and others might not have made it, but Williams could.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/12/studs-and-duds-redskins-bucs#ixzz18B9VCRzf

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse


But hey...don't let fact get in the way of a good argument...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 5:24 AM |
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the sentence above would be the RI motto

top of the morning to you brown. didn't rypien hold for lohmiller for a while ? I know theismann and jurgensen did.

Posted by: hessone | December 15, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse


top of the morning to you brown. didn't rypien hold for lohmiller for a while ? I know theismann and jurgensen did.

Posted by: hessone | December 15, 2010 6:42 AM

that is, theismann for moseley and jurgensen for gogolak

Posted by: hessone | December 15, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Hess, they used to have goalposts in the front of the end zone too...some stuff changes over time. Most teams had 3rd string QBs hold for kicks back in the day, now they use punters. Not sure of why, but I only noticed around the time Romo fumbled the snap in Seattle a few years back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse


they use punters. Not sure of why, but I only noticed around the time Romo fumbled the snap in Seattle a few years back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 7:11 AM |
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not sure when the change to punters happened, but getting your QB injured might of had something to do with it. speaking of romo, is he playing this weekend against us ?

Posted by: hessone | December 15, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

He's out, Hess...I don't think he'll be back until next week, if at all. If Dallas is smart, they'll shut him down...but then again, if Dallas was smart they wouldn't be 4-9.

Besides...what difference does it make? Season's over, remember?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse


Besides...what difference does it make? Season's over, remember?

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 7:28 AM |
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season is over, but if hess wanted one thing for christmas or his b-day it would be a victory over peterbilt and his cowboy's.

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | December 15, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Most teams had 3rd string QBs hold for kicks back in the day, now they use punters. Not sure of why, but I only noticed around the time Romo fumbled the snap in Seattle a few years back...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 7:11 AM

The reason, as sween and I both explained above, is because they don't want to take a qb away from practicing with the offense to go over and hold for the place kicker. The punter, long snapper, and place kicker practice together away from the rest of the team. Most logical guy to hold is the punter.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 15, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should apply the same standard to coaches or.... please, please, please... owners!

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 15, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should apply the same standard to coaches or.... please, please, please... owners!

Posted by: Redskinrex | December 15, 2010 8:05 AM

Everyone's accountable to someone. Coaches are accountable to the owner. The owner is accountable to his bank.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 15, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Right beep...what I was saying is I'm not sure why coaches only started that trend fairly recently instead of doing it that way all along.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Count on Florio to kick us while we're down...


Decision to cut Hunter Smith highlights D.C. dysfunction
Posted by Mike Florio on December 15, 2010, 8:01 AM EST

So how big of a mess are the Redskins under coach Mike Shanahan? Let’s consider the latest example of D.C. dysfunction.

As Rosenthal pointed out on Tuesday, Shanahan and company cut punter Hunter Smith after Smith failed to catch a high snap that prevented the team from converting an extra point that would have tied the game at 17, and most likely would have forced overtime.

Let’s think about this one for a second. Your punter is your holder, and your punter makes a mistake while serving as your holder, so you fire your punter?

Why not do something radical like, say, having someone else serve as holder?

This move seems like another case of Shanahan thinking that whatever makes him feel better coincides with the best interests of the team. And after a frustrating loss, Shanahan probably felt a little bit better after getting rid of the guy who failed to catch in the rain a snap that was high from a long snapper who wasn’t fired for making a high snap. (Yet.)

We suppose there’s a chance that Smith was fired because of his punting, but that would be about as coincidental as defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth being the only guy asked to take a conditioning test on the first day of training camp.

Then again, maybe it was also Smith’s fault that kicker Graham Gano missed those two short field goals.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Right beep...what I was saying is I'm not sure why coaches only started that trend fairly recently instead of doing it that way all along.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:11 AM

Maybe they realized that they weren't actually ever running "fake" field goal gadget plays? This would be a good one for the stat geek -- "How many WPA's are added by having the punter act as the holder?"

Posted by: beep-beep | December 15, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Right again beep...that clown Thinker came up here talking like having a punter hold totally rules out the fake. First of all, nobody runs a fake more than once a season at most...and second, the guy who fumbled the snap for us last week also accounted for two TDs on fakes last year. Anyone who likes our chances of a fake better with The Human Turnover holding is full retard...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

sigh, 3 games left, one against our supposed arch rival dallas, and we're picking at the carcass of the 2010 season......punter/long-snapper/kicker talk.....someday, maybe someday, these games will start to mean something...until they do, its been lather/rinse/repeat for way too long....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 15, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Fret not Greg...that's what Madden is for. Working on my 3rd SB in 4 years in franchise mode. Funny thing is, despite his rating McNabb is still wildly inaccurate on the game too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Question: if you release a veteran kicker, why didn't you release the rookie special teamer?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

The reason you see Riley, Gano, and Sundberg make mistakes and not cut is due to age. These guys are 22, 23, and 23. They are the youth this team needs. And we all know youth is going to make some mistakes. It is going to take years to get out of the hole Vinny and Danny boy put this team in and the old stop gaps we have will not be around in two years when we have a chance to be good so if they mess up they hit the road where the young guys get a few more chances. I hate to say it but we need an almost total rebuild here. Who gives a crap about them releasing a 33 year old mediocre punter really????

Posted by: B2WIN | December 15, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

He should call himself Hunter the Putter now, cause all I see is golf in his future!

Posted by: monk811 | December 15, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio: We suppose there’s a chance that Smith was fired because of his punting, but that would be about as coincidental as defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth being the only guy asked to take a conditioning test on the first day of training camp.

The 31st rated punter being cut for his punting is roughly as coincidental as the only guy who skipped the entire offseason conditioning program (and all of the supervision and documentation that goes with it) being the only guy asked to take a conditioning test on the first day of training camp?? Sounds about right to me.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 15, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The reason you see Riley, Gano, and Sundberg make mistakes and not cut is due to age. These guys are 22, 23, and 23.

Posted by: B2WIN | December 15, 2010 8:40 AM

I'm guessing that its less likely that a YOUNG punter gets injured in pre-game warm ups as well...and puting us in a real pickle.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to go after Keim for plagiarism..

Calling Lichtensteiger's run blocking game a thing of beauty and how he consistently reached the 2nd level the reason for our 1st half success. Only to have no less than 4-5 that watch a game with blinders on tell me how he sucks. Same thing with Reed, dude played well and most form an opinion of a player and can't see any improvement.

He also stole my, "McNabb had the worst 100.7 passer rating game that you'll ever see" comment.

I could go on but everything else was pretty obvious and I'm done blowing my own horn, where's my secretary?

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Right MC51...I've been a fan of PFT for years, but it seems like now that Florio is gaining a more public presence, he's getting way full of himself and talks sh*t just to talk sh*t and his biases are as glaring and obvious as ever. Dude has had a stick up his butt about Shanahan dating back to his time in Denver and it's only gotten worse now that he's in Washington. I don't know his rooting interest, but he's certainly not a Skins fan...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

He also stole my, "McNabb had the worst 100.7 passer rating game that you'll ever see" comment.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2010 8:51 AM

I was shocked at one point in the game when the stat popped up that he was 10 for 14...had no idea.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't know his rooting interest, but he's certainly not a Skins fan...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 8:52 AM

Aside from his work on the website, Florio works as a lawyer. He resides in West Virginia. Before creating the site, Florio worked at ESPN.com for a week. Florio is a life-long fan of the Minnesota Vikings.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

NOBODY CARES...Beeps (new thread)

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 15, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

What a bull***t move.

That was a bad snap, period. No, I'm not straining to avoid blaming players. I'm blaming the player who WAS at fault. Even if Smith catches it clean, there's no way he gets it down in time for a successful kick.

They fired this guy for nothing.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 15, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, I think Florio dropped the day job and works solely on PFT now. Just goes to show what endorsements will do...

If he's really a Vikings fan, then he's a harsh critic of his team...he's been killing Favre and Childress all year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 15, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins released everyone in the organization for a single mistake, Redskins Park would be a vacant lot.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 15, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Even w/ a perfect snap and hold, it was about 50/50 that Gano would've found the uprights on the PAT. They should've gone for 2.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 15, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that its less likely that a YOUNG punter gets injured in pre-game warm ups as well...and puting us in a real pickle.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I would think so since Bidwell is 34 with a history of being injured.....but what do I know.

My point is if you have someone like say Roydell Willams who is 29,and you know sucks, why at this point in the season keep running him out there. Put in Austin who is 22 and find out if he has a chance to help in the future.

Posted by: B2WIN | December 15, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


I agree with the poster who pointed out that Hunter Smith was#31 in punts. That he apparently believes he's one of the finest holders to ever play the game is beside the point. At this stage of the season, every game is just a tryout for next year. Hunter Smith is old and his best days are behind him. Time to find a new punter, a new holder, and maybe a new place kicker.

Posted by: packridge1 | December 15, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Smith dropped the ball and lost a game the Skins should have won.... Cut his sorry A$&... I'm sick of it!!!

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 15, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Until Snyder is the one "cut" the other names will all change but the results will not.

Posted by: giscone | December 15, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

They could cut most of the team. We all had beer goggles at the beggining of the season, but in reality this is the same team that won four games the year before. You have to give the coach some time to draft his own players and free agent signings. First we have to get some draft picks, but that's not the fault of the GM or coach either. I believe the current management has a long term plan, and we are going to see a lot of players hit the road before next season.

Posted by: coastallp74 | December 15, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

This shows you how bad the redskins really are when the holder wants to be cut.

Posted by: goodeedward | December 15, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This shows you how bad the redskins really are when the holder wants to be cut.

Posted by: goodeedward | December 15, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This shows you how bad the redskins really are when the holder wants to be cut.

Posted by: goodeedward | December 15, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

YAWN

Posted by: Aerowaz | December 15, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

SO, How is Rabach still on the team? That dude has been under-performing for at least 5 years!

Posted by: Toochilled | December 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Should have resigned Ethan Albright - the "Red Snapper." Though Shanahan apparently now thinks placekicking is important, he did not think so at the beginning of the year.

Posted by: mellwood1 | December 15, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: boysheadcoach
"I now live in Minnesota. They are losing a QB (We"ll never forget you Brent)"

Looks like you already have forgotten "Brent"

Posted by: junkiwonteverread | December 18, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

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