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Why a Vick/Skins Marriage Seems Unlikely

We knew this wouldn't take long, right? Never takes too much time for people to start linking potential free agents to the Redskins, and so now Michael Vick's name is being thrown around.

This is especially premature, though, even by Redskins speculation standards. Vick has two months of home confinement, a construction job he must finish and other parole obligations. I spoke to people in his camp last week and they said football is not anywhere near the forefront of Vick's thinking right now.

And, of course, his indefinite suspension from the NFL must be lifted by Commissioner Roger Goodell. He has a long way to go before Goodell even begins to have discussions with him about allowing him to pursue employment opportunities in the NFL.

But let's go ahead and assume, for the sake of speculation, that sometime in late July or August, Vick is free of his legal encumbrances and Goodell reinstates him. Would it make sense for the Redskins to go after him?

Well, Vick's lack of accuracy and size make him an odd fit for the West Coast system Coach Jim Zorn runs. He struggled with those elements in the past. Coming to any team so late in the offseason would be very difficult, especially for a quarterback who has been off the field for so long and would have to master a challenging system on the fly.

Some have posited that when Vick comes back, especially if it is during training camp this year, his incredible athleticism might best be utilized at another position, or particularly as the option man in a Wildcat system. I spoke to Zorn at length about his study of the Wildcat during minicamp, and this is not something he is high on. Even with some current personnel who could do it -- receiver Antwaan Randle El in particular -- it was not a formation he was eager to use. In fact, he believes that more multiple formations from his offense, with everyone more fully vested in it after a full season, will result in more deception and trickery for opposing defenses.

Do I see Vick being able to jump in and get up to speed as a QB in this system right away, even as a backup? I don't. And then there is the matter of all of the tumult in which starting QB Jason Campbell has been enveloped this offseason. To bring in someone likely to be a marginal player at best, would be at the expense of doing more damage to Campbell. That doesn't seem to me to be a gamble worth taking. (Further complicating the matter is the fact that Joel Segal represents both Vick and Campbell.)

From an off-the-field perspective, the location of this franchise would seem to make the potential for picketing and demonstrations to be high. I can's see the Skins being at the forefront of teams that would immediately leap at Vick, if even such a pack emerges. You can't help but wonder if a big personality like Bill Parcells would take him on - the Dolphins were at the forefront of The Wildcat movement with RB Ronnie Brown running the show -- but any club that would do so must be ready for the ensuing sideshow and must look for creative ways to integrate Vick into the offense as he transitions back into being a pro quarterback.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 26, 2009; 1:06 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Lipty | May 26, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Part of any discipline imposed on the Skins if the league were to find tampering would be to prohibit the Skins from signing Vick.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

First!!!

Posted by: thor2 | May 26, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, the discipline would prohibit the Skins from making side show signings in general. There would be an anti-plash restriction for at least a couple of seasons.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Further anti-tampering discipline would be if the league required to the Skins to hire a GM.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The other reason a Vick/Skins marriage seems unlikely is that Vick is a man and the Skins are a football frachise. Maryland law recognizes the marriage of a man and a woman, but not a man and a football franchise.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Danny isn't about to offend the fan base by fringing in Vick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, Minnesota's name will come up, and Denver, and Seattle, and of course Oakland, just because it's Oakland. San Francisco might be a candidate. Tampa has been searching for a QB forever. Jacksonville has Gerrard but really, how secure is that?

It'll take a team that needs a QB, a coach with some guts, and a FO that feels winning is more important than anything else.

Y'know, that's a lot of teams.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The other reason a Vick/Skins marriage seems unlikely is that Vick is a man and the Skins are a football frachise. Maryland law recognizes the marriage of a man and a woman, but not a man and a football franchise.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:26 PM

LA is looking for a franchise and anything goes in LA. Just depends on how hot the 'Skins are for Vick as to whether they'd make the move.

Also, maybe they'll be forced to move as penance (or reward) for tampering.

All the hate for "Washington Redskins" would really boil over as "LA Redskins."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

a FO that feels winning is more important than anything else.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2009 1:34 PM

An FO like that wouldn't look twice at Vick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"a FO that feels winning is more important than anything else.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2009 1:34 PM

An FO like that wouldn't look twice at Vick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

For a guy that more than doubled the output of victories when he was under center as compared to when he wasn't? Why in any sense would a FO that was bent upon winning NOT want to look at that?

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Vick will be in the UFL for 1-2 years before he is in the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Of note, as long as Vick's name is floating around ... anyone look at the Skins offseason/off the field issues?

Nada. For the past several years, the Skins off field issues have been next to nothing.

We have alarm clock-gate. Not dog killer-gate or passing out in a bar-gate or getting shot in the leg-gate or battering an officer-gate.

Sometimes, no news IS good news

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Vick will end up in Canada, playing for Canadians, where is lack of accuracy and size are not liabilities, but assets.

Further, his dog fighting background will paint him as a kinder, gentler athlete and will almost guarantee him a product endorsement from whichever clothing manufacturer that provides all those popular seal clubbing outfits we see on The Discovery Channel.

A win all around - the NFL escapes criticism, the CFL gets a new star, PETA shakes its tiny fists in impotent fury (a victory for the rest of us, at least), and the Redskins FO get Sanchez-ed again (a victory for all skins fans).

Posted by: shdenny | May 26, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I do see Vick in the CFL for a year or two, not because nobody in the NFL would want him, but because he probably could make significantly more money over there than he would at this point in the US. And seeing as how he's in debt, that would probably be priority #1 for Vick.

Though I'm not sure how leaving the country would affect his legal issues.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why in any sense would a FO that was bent upon winning NOT want to look at that?

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 1:39 PM |

Guy's been out of the game two years. He's got a career QB rating of 75.7, about the same as Patrick Ramsey. 71 TDs, 52 INTs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The other reason a Vick/Skins marriage seems unlikely is that Vick is a man and the Skins are a football frachise. Maryland law recognizes the marriage of a man and a woman, but not a man and a football franchise.

Posted by: dcsween | May 26, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Good point, but there are ways around that. Consider that it would probably take place in DC, for starters. Anything goes in DC.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 26, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Guy's been out of the game two years. He's got a career QB rating of 75.7, about the same as Patrick Ramsey. 71 TDs, 52 INTs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Yea but Patrick Ramsey can't rush for 1000 yards in a season at a YPC higher than most QBs' yards per pass attempt.

Being out of the sport for two years is valid, but I still see teams taking the risk of attempting to sign a $100 million talent at or near the vet minimum, just at the chance he returns to form in a year or two.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Guy's been out of the game two years. He's got a career QB rating of 75.7, about the same as Patrick Ramsey. 71 TDs, 52 INTs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Plus Patrick Ramsey had a job last year (and still does this year?)

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Good post, Jason.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 26, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

do see Vick in the CFL for a year or two, not because nobody in the NFL would want him, but because he probably could make significantly more money over there than he would at this point in the US.

Posted by: psps23


Just curious--anyone know the min/max CFL salary?

Posted by: BigE44 | May 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Good post, skinsfan213.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I have heard Vick cannot leave the US for X amount of time after his release. So no CFL, yes UFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

I think Patrick Ramsey is the third string QB for Titans.

Posted by: thor2 | May 26, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Patrick Ramsey is the third string QB for Titans.

Posted by: thor2 | May 26, 2009 2:21 PM

He is, and he's competing to be second string. The guy who has the job now is pretty shakey.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Casey Printers of the Hamilton Tiger Cats is the highest paid CFL player making about $500,000 per year.

This according to WikiAnswers.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Poor Vinny Young

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I have heard Vick cannot leave the US for X amount of time after his release. So no CFL, yes UFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:20 PM

Isn't Canada like the 51st state? Not to the Canadians, of course -- who still think that curling is a sport -- but in reality.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Casey Printers of the Hamilton Tiger Cats is the highest paid CFL player making about $500,000 per year.

This according to WikiAnswers.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:24 PM

And is that in US$ or Canadian money, also known as the Looney.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Skins should get Vick but I'd wager dollars to donuts they do. This has ALL the markings of a typical crap decision by Snyder.

Posted by: imageaid | May 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

T_E.
I don't pretend to know how Americas Hat and the lower and mostly better (aside from our S*** healthcare and non-parlamentry government) part of Northern America treat the international relations when it has to do with criminals getting work cross the border. I am just reporting what someone else told me on another blog.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Just curious--anyone know the min/max CFL salary?

Posted by: BigE44"

Ha, disregard my post. I just read that the CFL has a salary cap around $4 million. Doesn't look like Vick could get more money in Canada even if he wanted to. I was going for the whole Josh Childress in Olympiakos thing, but clearly Canadians are more concerned with being fiscally responsible.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I wish the NFL owners would just agree not to bring Vick back and send a message to the players and others... but that will never happen.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I wish the NFL owners would just agree not to bring Vick back and send a message to the players and others... but that will never happen.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:35 PM

Not sure what message you want to send, but I thought that his time in jail had already sent the message. He's paying his debt to society. I think he deserves the same right to make a living as anyone else in society.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

PSP,
I dunno about that anymore. Vick filed for bankruptcy, and needs to not only make money now but he needs to get his game film reel going again. If he wants to be back in the NFL he needs to play somewhere and show that he can still dominate against mid range talent. Again this is why I want to see him in the UFL.

Vick vs 3rd string and P-squad guys, sounds like a fun thing to watch.

Not to mention odds are he ends in Orlando with a head coach who he played against for years.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

t_evaluator

"....And is that in US$ or Canadian money, also known as the Looney."

Massively funny!

And here's your prize: (INSERT image of Moe handing talent_evaluator a bloody dog collar signed by one Ron Mexico.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If Vick is still in shape, even 70% of what he was - what a great addition for this team. He could play a little WR, a little RB and a little QB. The Skins own version of Slash.

Maybe that is a gimmick, but the Steelers got into the Superbowl with that gimmick. They should go ahead and try it - its a splash that wouldn't cost a lot of money.

Posted by: agupta1 | May 26, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I am certain that this very blog post could be used by the NFL as evidence of the Redskins inappropriate tampering with the federal government's sentence of Michael Vick.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | May 26, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what message you want to send, but I thought that his time in jail had already sent the message. He's paying his debt to society. I think he deserves the same right to make a living as anyone else in society.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

First, he hasn't paid his 'debt' to the NFL until the commish says so. Second, the issue with Vick comes down to a biz decision for each owner. My guess is few, if any, will be willing to take the risk.

That said, there is also no question that Vick paid a very steep price for his crimes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not you agree with the message, the message would be "We Don't Hire Psychopathic Felons".

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 26, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

vick+mason=championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Wellp, WaPo is saying it doesn't make sense, so expect The Danny to open that billfold might wide, goatse stylee.

Let's offer the penal system some pics while we're at it...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

He could play a little WR, a little RB and a little QB. The Skins own version of Slash.
---------

Quite literally.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | May 26, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

First, he hasn't paid his 'debt' to the NFL until the commish says so. Second, the issue with Vick comes down to a biz decision for each owner. My guess is few, if any, will be willing to take the risk.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 2:48 PM

Or, a court. The NFL isn't above the nation's labor laws and the commish can't arbitratily deny a man the right to work.

Peter King listed five teams he thought would be interested in hiring Vick. For once, he omitted the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Vick will be on a roster at the beginning of the season. He'll get a minimum veteran one year contract, and start at the third string position. He'll take it, and he'll work is booty off to play again. One day, he will.

Posted by: bharn | May 26, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

So, am I to assume JLC is never going to write anything worth reading ever again? Because all this is just garbage.

Posted by: BMACattack | May 26, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

" I think he deserves the same right to make a living as anyone else in society.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

You mean he gets laid off and goes on unemployment...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

T_E - Goodell saying "he can't work here" is not equivalent to him saying "he can't work". This is not a civil rights issue.

& I dunno- on some level I guess I'm a little offended you're making it one ;-p

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

& I dunno- on some level I guess I'm a little offended you're making it one ;-p

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:05 PM

Dik, I think you've got your head up your shuttle.

It isn't a civil right issue and I'm not making it one. It's an issue of labor law. You're the only one who's making it a civil rights issue.

It has to do with the rights of the NFL to stand between Vick and one of the owners if they would like to hire him. If none of the owners wants to hire him, then it's moot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Listen, once and for all. What Dan Snyder was looking for was a QB to market the team around! Mike Vick is not the cat (no pun intended).

He wanted white southern preppie looking Jay Cutler. He wanted light skinned latino Sanchez from USC that's already doing his GQ spreads and looking 5th Avenue gay. Snyder knows marketing and trust he loves money from marketing. Jason Campbell is a mediocre NFL QB, but his marketing persona is

Posted by: oknow1 | May 26, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Goodell will 'slap' the skins on the wrist by taking away a low round draft pick only in the interest of putting fear into the minds of the leagues other teams.

Posted by: MistaMoe

How does that put fear in the minds of other teams? Last year, the NFL took away a 5th round pick for a tampering team, and it had no effect at all. In fact, it can be argued the Redskins behavior--if true--is more egregious than what SF did.

So a smart executive escalates the punishment, until he truely gets other team's attention.

But to just take away another low round pick would be like the umpteenth threat to a car full of misbehavimg children "to turn this thing around and go home."

Empty and ineffective. If Godell can prove tampering, it will be more than a slap--and you can take that to the bank.

Of course, if he can't prove it, it will just go away.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

While signing Vick wouldn't be popular, football games are won with talent not popularity. From a football standpoint, Vick will need some time to get back in form, we have Campbell for a year and after this offseason he's probably gone no matter what, so for a vet minimum deal is it worth the gamble that Vick may have learned and been humbled through all this and comes back with something to prove hoping to get paid again? I say yes, JC is gone anyway, a cheap replacement with the talent to be an upgrade if he can get back to it that doesn't cost you anything but a small contract is worth the gamble, if he screws up, or just can't get good again you cut him and you've lost nothing, but the upside could be huge.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | May 26, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

No, it's not a civil rights issue, but in fact, any one who goes to prison, fairly or unfairly, finds that they are just beginning to pay their debt to society when they are released. Very few employees will hire an ex-convict for any role, outside of standard blue collar day labor. Again, you can argue forever whether this is fair or not, but this is the way it is...So, the NFL is kind of stating what others will not state - we don't hire ex-cons.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 26, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh here we go w/ the race card again. I think all the evidence shows that The Danny sees all his money in one color: Green.

He's doled out record paydays to African American athletes. Haynesworth & Hall most recently... both with 'checkered pasts'...

in 2004 Vick had the second highest jersey sales in the NFL. Sean Taylor was the highest selling Redskin jersey at the time of his death. Do you think stats like that are lost on Snyder?

Your comments are unfounded on multiple levels.

bite it.
sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hokie reunion in D.C.?
Michael Vick | Falcons | Interested: 49ers? Redskins?
Upon Michael Vick's release to home confinement last week, the discussion on his NFL future was reopened and a number of teams were considered to be in the mix for his services, even if they already had a starting quarterback in place.
One team whose incumbent starter is certain to be a little perturbed by all the talk about his replacements is Jason Campbell of the Washington Redskins. Earlier in the offseason, the Redskins were involved in the trade talks for Jay Cutler, and around the time of the draft it was rumored that the team was trying to trade up and draft Mark Sanchez. After the draft weekend passed, Campbell probably thought he'd gotten over that little speed bump and he could focus on getting ready for the 2009 season.

There's just one problem: Vick might be just the kind of player that Skins owner Daniel Snyder would love to acquire. Snyder has a proclivity for outbidding the market with a "go high or go home" strategy even when it's unnecessary - according to some reports, his contract for Albert Haynesworth was a couple years and tens of millions of dollars more than anyone else was willing to pay. Moreover, judging by how involved Snyder & Co. got in the Cutler and Sanchez rodeos, there is not a lot of admiration for Campbell in the top tier of management in D.C.

During a recent phone interview on the John Thompson show on ESPN Radio 980 in D.C., Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall - who played with Vick on the Atlanta Falcons and who is a fellow Virginia Tech alumnus - addressed Vick's future. Sports Radio Interviews provides a transcript of some key points of Hall's interview, as well as an audio link to his appearance. During the interview, Hall proposed the San Francisco 49ers as a team that could be a good fit for Vick because of coach Mike Singletary. On the other hand, Hall gave this qualification to the recommendation: "Offensive line-wise, would he still be running for his life or not like he was in Atlanta?"

While Thompson didn't press Hall as to whether Vick would be a good fit on the Redskins, the dots can be connected pretty easily. Ownership doesn't seem to be too happy with the incumbent. Vick would be close, relatively speaking, to his home in Virginia. The offensive line and skill position players are there on offense. All that's missing is Vick's official release from Atlanta and a reinstatement by Roger Goodell. That last step is the big one, but the Redskins have to be considered serious players in the Vick bidding should those things fall into place.

Posted by: tdogjuwan | May 26, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Previous post from ESPN could be nothing could be something

Posted by: tdogjuwan | May 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, JohnD, I do have to take issue there. They hire ex-cons all the time. It's just selective and based on PR. It stinks and if they really WERE going to stick to morals clauses, they should do it vehemetly.

...but it's legal & they'll continue to base their behavior and mold their policy on what they perceive the public wants... or what they can get away with, anyway...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Why in any sense would a FO that was bent upon winning NOT want to look at that?

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 1:39 PM |

You answered your own question. The Redskins are a marketing franchise, niot a football franchise. This is why trades are made for guys who will sell jerseys, and why Snyder got a deal done with the Lottery commission, but did not solve the Redskins biggest need--the OLine.

Vick has so much potential downside to the Redskins brand, he's not someone Snyder will risk for his football potential.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

So wait - on the Thompson show, was Hall referring to the bad oline in SanFran? or here at home?!

Can anyone clarify?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

heh- that's funny, Cork, I was kinda thinking the opposite, but for the same reason.

He wouldn't care about the football aspect, so he'd HIRE Mexico for the marketing blitz...

lmao!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 26, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

vick+mason=championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 2:53 PM |

LOL! Damn straight!

For all the "I don't want Vick on my team" folks, I ask:

What f else do you want from the guy? His blood? To screw his mother? An autograph?

I mean really, what the f is it?

Just makes me shakes my head and roll eyes when I read a comment like this:"I wish the NFL owners would just agree not to bring Vick back and send a message to the players and others... but that will never happen." and "First, he hasn't paid his 'debt' to the NFL until the commish says so."

What message would they be sending, Alex? That, yes you can serve time for a crime you committed. But when it's time to redeem yourself, the world will shun you becasue once a piece a sh**, always a piece of sh**.

What time of sh** is that? With statements like this I wish that whoever is making statements like this would just say:

"I don't care for the guy as a NFL player or a man"

C'mon! Gimme a damn break already with this: "Oh, he shouldn't be allowed to ever play again" nonsense. There are convicted drug dealers that do LESS time, and are met with less disdain AFTER they've been released from prison.

Which is worst? A dog fighter/killer or a drug dealer?

I'm so f'n done with Mike Vick.

Either let him play or don't. But to constantly have these negative things to say about him, when your negativity clearly stems from something else deep rooted is just a steaming pile of dog sh**.

And so is this topic already.

I believe for some people, they look at Michael Vick and flip the clock back 15 years or so... I don't think I need to mention his name, but he played football as well... For them this is like a shot at redemption -- a chance for "the people" to get it right.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 26, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I would point out that the law says you cannot not hire a person just because of a prison record. All the NFL would need to say is we wont re-estate Vick because we felt his lying to Godell and Blank hurt the NFL's image and that was cause for non-reinstatement.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The Lakers was smoked by the Melo-less Nuggz! Geeseth. Who woulda thought they could suck so bad.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be funny to see him in cleveland, being that most of the fans wear dog masks. The irony would be too much. On a more realistic note, I see Vick going to the Patriots "if" he returns and as a QB. It will be a winning team he csn jump on, and be there to be a back up with the departure of matt cassell.

Posted by: erleach | May 26, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

""Guy's been out of the game two years. He's got a career QB rating of 75.7, about the same as Patrick Ramsey. 71 TDs, 52 INTs.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

In a way, that tells you as much about quarterback ratings as it does about Michael Vick.

In '06, Vick ran for 1,039 yards. Tom Brady ran for 102. Peyton Manning ran for 36. Vick was sacked 45 times (probably because he never stayed in the pocket), while Manning was sacked only 9 times and Brady 12 (when you figure in sacks, both finished in negative rushing yards). Vick completed only 209 passes. But twenty of them went for TDs, a higher percentage than either Manning or Brady.

The point isn't that Vick is better or worse than the other. It's that his numbers are so radically different that you can't make a meaningful comparison. It's as if he's playing a different position than those guys.

From a statistician's viewpoint, Vick might as well be playing a different position. A team that was willing to build its offense around Vick's skills might reap a considerable reward for its risk.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 26, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

All the NFL would need to say is we wont re-estate Vick because we felt his lying to Godell and Blank hurt the NFL's image and that was cause for non-reinstatement.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 3:32 PM |

Alex, come on. "He hurt my image. He can't play." Do you think a judge would be persuaded by that? Anything more than a four-game suspension and the League would be in court defending itself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Vick has so much potential downside to the Redskins brand, he's not someone Snyder will risk for his football potential.

Posted by: TheCork"

Yea, I'm inclined to agree with you there.

But I'm wondering how many fans would be lost with the introduction of Vick? I'd bet not many. The love for the game is too strong for most people, and one ethical controversy wouldn't see many people, if any at all, turn from the game. And especially for a fan base like this, suffering a very small drop in the total number of fans isn't going to hurt the franchise with how deep the ticket waiting lists go.

Plus, I think people are discounting the Vick supporters that would buy his jersey out of defiance, regardless of what team he plays for. And I bet that number of people is higher than most realize.

It's a tricky situation, but I really don't see signing Vick as the business disaster that some people are making it out to be. Very few people will truly turn on a franchise because of that, IMO. And the newcomers that still support him will help offset that. And, as always, exposure will almost always play into the $ being brought in.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

It's a tricky situation, but I really don't see signing Vick as the business disaster that some people are making it out to be.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2009 3:42 PM

Snyder could throw a Hail Mary. Sign Vick and change the name of the team from Redskins to Pit Bulls!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that the Redskins will be first in line, when Vick is reinstated. They've tried to keep this quiet, and have already met with Roger Goodell, but the bloom is off the rose now..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"....For all the "I don't want Vick on my team" folks, I ask..."


Well, you ask, and I'll answer: I nothing whatsoever against Mike Vick.

I am not a moralist: just a football fan who doesn't get all hot and bothered because some guy gets released.

Should we sign somebody: yeah, Levi Jones or M Harrison.

Not Vick.

He's served his time, lost his money, and acquired more shame than a Wall Street banker.

But from a football pov, the Washington Redskins really don't need the distraction that'll come with Vick

Plus: we don't have a spot for him on the team.

We have three young pass catchers who need the time and space to prove they can play.

If need be, D Hall or S Moss can be great punt/kick returners.

Only an idiot would complain about Jason Campbell's issues, then say, "Hey, Vick can be a funky q.b. for us!"

We're a team that needs young o-linemen, not more pass catchers and return guys.

The folks who want him still have images form ESPN highlight reels spinning in their heads: let them go as time has passed, and there's a grand canyon of a difference between the Vick you remember and the guy who sat in jail.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that the Redskins will be first in line, when Vick is reinstated. They've tried to keep this quiet, and have already met with Roger Goodell, but the bloom is off the rose now..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 3:46 PM |

And PFT's sources are....?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I believe in Separation of Goodell and State. Let Vick play, and dispense with the ridiculous moral posturing. This is football, not the Supreme Court. Vick did some horrible things, but he didn't do them on the field. Vick just didn't have enough encyclopedias growing up.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 26, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm just telling you what they're saying.

They did quote Vick's agent, as the one who leaked the info.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Vick just didn't have enough encyclopedias growing up.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 26, 2009 3:53 PM

Who among us did have enough? Let him cast the first stone. (Okay, Alex may have had too many.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

vick+mason=championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 2:53 PM |


Your math theory, while interesting is incorrect. EVERYBODY knows that Housemazilly=championship.

There seems to be something missing from this analysis. History has made it quite clear that when people protest something, it gains popularity. Snyder may be chomping at the bit... Imagine people protesting six flags and all of his companies. He'd make so much more money that way. It is human nature to see a line and check it out, and it is human nature to ignore protesters too.

I say that tongue in cheek... but think about it.

Posted by: moosepod | May 26, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Whoa... First a "story" about how Vick WON'T be a Redskin? Which followed a "story" about how the Titans filed that tampering grievance way back when... and it's STILL pending!

Oh, yes, JLC is back.

Lots of recycled garbage in the air.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 26, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that the Redskins will be first in line, when Vick is reinstated. They've tried to keep this quiet, and have already met with Roger Goodell, but the bloom is off the rose now..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 3:46 PM |

And now Atlanta will be filing tampering charges against the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

He's not coming to the Skins because the Cowboys will out bid them. They have a history of giving players second chances even when they run afoul of the law. So now that Pac Man Jones, Terrell Owens and Roy Williams are gone the only person left to command media attention is the receiver Roy Williams. And let's face it, Tony Romo is more interested in Jessica Simpson than concentrating on big games at the end of the year.

So with that logic, the Cowboys need a distraction and they could use a QB. Michael Vick would be ideal because he will be on probation and his PO will make sure that he stays in line. Plus, the Cowboys don't care about criminal charges, based on the fact that they had a convicted felon that oversaw the construction of the practice facility that collapsed.

Then there is the west coast Cowboys - the Oakland Raiders. He will work again and I am not going to be mad at him because he has more than paid the price for the crime. When people start going to jail for catch and release fishing, deer, rabbit, squirrel, quail and moose hunting then I might change my mind. Even the guys who caught millions of dollars worth of protected rock fish only got a fine.

And if he comes to the Skins - Hail to the Redskins. Fight for 'ole DC (even if you play in Maryland and practice in Virginia).

Posted by: Carole5520 | May 26, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

And now Atlanta will be filing tampering charges against the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator
No
now we will be traiding Atl a 2nd and a 6th for Mike Vick.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

vick+mason=championship

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'll go along with you if you throw in Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 26, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"They did quote Vick's agent, as the one who leaked the info..."

And Vick's agent, like every other agent, knows Dan Snyder wastes money like a drunken sailor in a strip club.

Vick's people are figuring, "Why go just to any NFL team when you live in Virginia and need a big payday?"

"Kill two birds with one stone: float the idea that you want to sign with the skins, get paid to play near your home."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

just so that we're all on the same page, I made all that PFT stuff up, just to rattle the cages.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice, Greg, nice.

We needed a reminder of the hazards of the Internet as a news source. Especially up here.

Though I remain on standby, full of righteous indignation, waiting for the launch code, maps at the ready. As always.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 26, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

just so that we're all on the same page, I made all that PFT stuff up, just to rattle the cages.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 26, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

lmao. Dog cages?

I do have to say I agree with psps. If & when he is reinstated, we should consider his current athletic abilities by giving him a tryout. If he has anything near his athleticism of 2 years ago, I would sign him to a vet minimum. We need athletes, and that is the bottom line.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 26, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

what ever happened to mohammed elowonibi? is he still in shape to play on the O-line

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 26, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"A marginal player at best" - come on La Confora, let's be fair. This guy was a 3-time Pro Bowler and had a lot of success in this league. His athleticism put fear in most defensive coaches lives weeks leading up to playing him. I don't care if he plays another down at QB - give me the option of having him on the field (as a WR, RB, or some flex position) and now the defense has major match-up problems. Our offense doesn't have any threats and we need one TERRIBLY. Vick would be a THREAT - no doubt. Could you imagine him in the return game?? And from time to time lined up at QB? Come on La Confora - give some insight and don't be so quick to only look at what you might see on the surface. Ton of talent that can best be utilized especially from a man WHO WILL HAVE A LOT TO PROVE. Why not hear in another role other then #1 QB?

Posted by: ECU17 | May 26, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Or, a court. The NFL isn't above the nation's labor laws and the commish can't arbitratily deny a man the right to work.

Peter King listed five teams he thought would be interested in hiring Vick. For once, he omitted the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse


Yes, the NFL can deny him the right to be an NFL player. No U.S. labor law says that the NFL has to hire Mike Vick as a player, as long as the reason for said denial of job isn't based on a discriminatory rationale, such as race or ethnicity, etc. Vick has the general right to work, yes; however, he doesn't have the right to be an NFL player unless the NFL is keeping him out for an unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful reason.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 26, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

1. Zorn does not really have much say.
2. Have to assume Vick would be really cheap
initially (salary cap friendly).
3. Atlanta wants to unload him, although I wonder
why, after all Athens / Atlanta is the home of
"who let the dogs out, woof, woof-woof"?
4. Snyder is a marketeer. Vick would keep him
front and center all season long in spite of a
losing record.

Caveats: The organization, (which is separate
from Snyder and sometimes includes
Cerrato), would strongly oppose this
move.

This move would likely destroy the
morale of what little offense they will
have given how the OL has been shorted.
Vick would be running for his life
again.

Snyder would not be able to hire any
decent coaches in the future. He would
have a difficult time signing good
free agents.

Posted by: periculum | May 26, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Very few employees will hire an ex-convict for any role, outside of standard blue collar day labor. Again, you can argue forever whether this is fair or not, but this is the way it is...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 26, 2009 3:19 PM

Then why the Cowboys hire that ex-con to strengthen their bubble?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I would point out that the law says you cannot not hire a person just because of a prison record.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 3:32 PM

Of what law do you speak? Certainly not Title VII.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

After reading all the comments, I'm convinced that Vick might be a good fit for the burgundy and gold....

...not because he'd ever get the Skins over 0.500, but he would be exciting and render the need for a servicable O-line moot. The O-line would only need to act as a distraction (which is kind of how they ended last season, anyway).

He's no good in the pocket, but the Skins offense might be entertaining to watch as Vick tries to do it all by himself.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

If Godell can prove tampering, it will be more than a slap--and you can take that to the bank.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2009 3:15 PM

You gots to remember that this is the same Goodell that destroyed the incriminating pre-game walk-through tapes the Pats made that would have made all three of their SB victories as fraudulent as a AIG insurance policy.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

And Moe, Al Campanis made those comments about "intangibles" and "necessities" Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder lectured on slave breeding practices and how it made blacks better athletes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 26, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention odds are he ends in Orlando with a head coach who he played against for years.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:43 PM

And what will they be doing together? Visiting Disney World? The last time I czeced there warrent no NFL team in the Big O.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I would point out that the law says you cannot not hire a person just because of a prison record.
Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 3:32

Maybe not prison itself but the crime that got a person sent to prison keeps people from being hired every day. Although in Vick's case, unless he is trying to get hired at Petsmart he should be okay.

Posted by: will_ga | May 26, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

folks, Vick is a BUSINESS decision.

Goodell may choose to keep him out of the league because he doesn't want Vick's image associated with the league. I'd bet that most of the owners have already told Goodell to keep him out, at least for a while longer or until Vick's image is significantly rehab'd.

Most teams will not even take a sideways glance at Vick because there are a lot of dog owners that buy season tix and merchandise. And a lot of dog owners who buy products advertised during NFL games.

Vick is tons of risk for very little reward.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for Vick, his best football days are way past him; His days with VT, that is.

I mean if he had stayed in college 4 years, we're speaking of Vick as the greatest college football player everrr. Not possibly Tim T.Bow.

Posted by: Vicc | May 26, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

First!

Posted by: WorstSeat | May 26, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Matt Jones apparently won't be suspended and is available and probably cheap. He's big and can get open. Not sure if he can stay sober but hey who doesn't like to drink while playing golf? Or a line of coke after practice, oh wait,....nevermind.

Posted by: will_ga | May 26, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This is good summer fodder...no way Vick comes here...

nothing to see...move on!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 26, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a dog owner, and I find it laughable that there is any talk of not reinstating Vick. If people-killer Leonard Little is playing in the league, they have no moral high ground here.No question Vick should be let back in.
That said, I hope the Redskins stay as far away from him as possible. He may be a defensive coach's nightmare, but he's more than that for his head coach. Personally, I hope the Cowgals get him. I'd take the 1000 yards rushing, if it means less passing TD's and more chances to drill the QB. He won't be as fast as he was, so he'll be easier to catch. But, the fact is, even when he was younger/more explosive, he wasn't a winner. Yes, he came in and took the league by storm his first few years. But once teams figured out they didn't have to cover his receivers, he was exposed, and his team regressed. It's not a coincidence that they made it to the playoffs as soon as they got a legit QB.

Posted by: CJHutch7673 | May 26, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a dog owner, and I find it laughable that there is any talk of not reinstating Vick. If people-killer Leonard Little is playing in the league, they have no moral high ground here.No question Vick should be let back in.
That said, I hope the Redskins stay as far away from him as possible. He may be a defensive coach's nightmare, but he's more than that for his head coach. Personally, I hope the Cowgals get him. I'd take the 1000 yards rushing, if it means less passing TD's and more chances to drill the QB. He won't be as fast as he was, so he'll be easier to catch. But, the fact is, even when he was younger/more explosive, he wasn't a winner. Yes, he came in and took the league by storm his first few years. But once teams figured out they didn't have to cover his receivers, he was exposed, and his team regressed. It's not a coincidence that they made it to the playoffs as soon as they got a legit QB.

Posted by: CJHutch7673 | May 26, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long it will be before Vick can leave the country (i.e. Canada). I know the Canadian league would love to get their hands on Vick.

Posted by: clark202 | May 26, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a dog owner, and I find it laughable that there is any talk of not reinstating Vick. If people-killer Leonard Little is playing in the league, they have no moral high ground here.No question Vick should be let back in.


Posted by: CJHutch7673

The NFL isn't going to keep Vick out based on 'moral high ground'.

They'll keep him out because sponsors don't want to be associated with Vick. They'll keep him out because they don't want protesters showing up at league events and becoming a story. They'll keep him out because he'll result in less tickets sold.

We're in a recession and most NFL teams and the league offices are laying people off. The league and owners are very sensitive to risk. At heart, they are a very conservative bunch that don't want to see their assets damaged.

The NFL is extremely savvy about understanding their customers. At this time, Michael Vick is all risk and no reward. If he rehabs his image enough, he'll get back in.

But it will be a BUSINESS decision, not a moral one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 26, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a dog owner, and I find it laughable that there is any talk of not reinstating Vick. If people-killer Leonard Little is playing in the league, they have no moral high ground here.No question Vick should be let back in.


Posted by: CJHutch7673******

I think Goodell wasn't the commish for Little, not sure though. I think Little ought to be out of the league. Ray Lewis escaped too, IMO. I hope Goodell rules with more of an iron fist than his predecessor ever did. Ray Carruth was punished and I'd like to see more examples made. Many NFL players probably wouldn't mind a more rule abiding league either.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 26, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 26, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Goodell needs to do the right thing and ban Vick from the NFL permanently. I am sick and tired of Goodell giving chances to these players who should be banned. It is getting worse and Goodell needs to clamp down on all this outrageous player behavior. One strike and you are gone. Let's get football back to what it was at one time, mostly good and decent players. There have always been a few rotten ones but in today's football there are too many punks out there playing. I have faith in the Redskins that management would not touch Vick with a ten foot pole. He is not worthy to be a Redskin or on any other NFL team. Goodell listen to the fans and do what is right. HAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ladyredskins | May 26, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

No, Goodell wasn't the commissioner for Little's 'killing while intoxicated' offense, or for his follow up DUI. But it's still the same league, Little still makes millions in it, as does Jamal Lewis. Matt Jones will as well when he is eventually signed. Pac-Man made millions after being partially responsible for paralyzing a man (under Goodell's watch), etc, etc, etc. My point is, there is no reason for Vick to be kept out. He paid more of a "debt" than any of those other thugs. He's already had his pound of flesh taken. He'll never again be on the level he was. But if he can play, just let him play. (As long as it's not for the 'Skins)

Posted by: CJHutch7673 | May 26, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long it will be before Vick can leave the country (i.e. Canada). I know the Canadian league would love to get their hands on Vick.

Posted by: clark202 | May 26, 2009 6:41 PM

Canadian dogs would love to get their paws on him too.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I would love to have VIck on this team forget what he has done off the field he has payed the price for his crime. He still the most dangerous player in the nfl and gives us anohter weapon

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | May 26, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I would love to have VIck on this team forget what he has done off the field he has payed the price for his crime. He still the most dangerous player in the nfl and gives us anohter weapon

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | May 26, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The current ESPN NFL power rankings have the Skins at 19, up from 21 at the end of 2008 which has to reflect their 2nd half nose dive. In the blurb accompanying the ranking they mention the impact of the AH acquisition and Campbell's cornfidence as the big X factors. Nothing about an old, injured, broken down OL which seems to be an obsessive theme on this blog. ESPN's Skins ranking appears to be cornsistent with the Vegas over/under of 8 wins.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The Skins shouldn't take Vick, even though it would be work out better for him. At least the Skins aren't the Cowboys or Raiders, picking up thugs. He would find a real mentor in the vets, if not JC alone. He was mum about the Cutler situation, and hardly put up a stink about the Sanchez crap. Most of that was smoke to drive up his price, and move Orakpo down on the board (at least I hope it was).

Posted by: temunley | May 26, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Whoa... First a "story" about how Vick WON'T be a Redskin? Which followed a "story" about how the Titans filed that tampering grievance way back when... and it's STILL pending!

Oh, yes, JLC is back.

Lots of recycled garbage in the air.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

You don't like recycled garbage? Make up some fresh garbage.

You got a story? Write it. Otherwise, realize there isn't NFL redskins news every day, 365 days a year.

Posted by: TheCork | May 26, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"You don't like recycled garbage?"

You tell 'em, Cork, Neil Simon is alive and well at the landfill..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Nothing about an old, injured, broken down OL which seems to be an obsessive theme on this blog. ESPN's Skins ranking appears to be cornsistent with the Vegas over/under of 8 wins.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 8:31 PM
===========================================

You've proven your point with power rankings?

Congrats, Anton!1!!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 26, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"...Al Campanis made those comments about "intangibles" and "necessities" Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder lectured on slave breeding practices..."


Yeah, I know.

I posted a joke that didn't work.

It's not like that's the first time that's happened inthis blog and won't be the last.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Mike Tyson’s Daughter Dies at Age 4

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 26, 2009
Filed at 8:27 p.m. ET

PHOENIX (AP) -- The 4-year-old daughter of boxer Mike Tyson died at a hospital Tuesday, a day her neck apparently got caught in a treadmill cord at her Phoenix home, police said.

Exodus Tyson was pronounced dead just before noon, police Sgt. Andy Hill said. She had been on life support and police have said their investigation showed her injury on Monday was a ''tragic accident.''

''There are no words to describe the tragic loss of our beloved Exodus,'' the family said in a statement. ''We ask you now to please respect our need at this very difficult time for privacy to grieve and try to help each other heal.''

Police said Exodus either slipped or put her head in the loop of a cord hanging under the console. Her 7-year-old brother found her and told their mother. She took Exodus off the cord, called 911 and tried to revive her.

Responding officers and firefighters performed CPR as they took the girl to the hospital.

Former heavyweight champion Tyson was in Las Vegas at the time of the accident and flew Monday to Phoenix, where he was seen entering the hospital.

Tyson spokeswoman Cynthia Schwartz said the family had not arranged a funeral yet and would release a statement later.

Ya gotta feel for Iron Mike.

The guy's rise, fall, rise, and fall from grace is shakespearean.

I wish the guy all the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 26, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

he doesn't have the right to be an NFL player unless the NFL is keeping him out for an unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful reason.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 26, 2009 5:05 PM

Brilliant legal opinion. He doesn't have the right....unless the law says he has the right.

Let me ask you this, barrister. If Dan Snyder wants to hire Vick to play on his team, what right does the NFL have to prevent this? What labor law or Costitutional principle would allow the NFL to block Snyder from putting Vick on the field?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

You gots to remember that this is the same Goodell that destroyed the incriminating pre-game walk-through tapes the Pats made that would have made all three of their SB victories as fraudulent as a AIG insurance policy.


Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 5:33 PM

Wrong example, Anton. The whole reason the government took over AIG was so all the insurance policies would be as good as the gold in Fort Knox. How about, "as fraudulent as a Bernie Madoff annuity"? Or, as fraudulent as a Cork screed? (We kid because we love. No, it's because we like to kid.) "As fraudulent at TheTruth's name." Etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask you this, barrister. If Dan Snyder wants to hire Vick to play on his team, what right does the NFL have to prevent this? What labor law or Costitutional principle would allow the NFL to block Snyder from putting Vick on the field?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 9:54 PM
==========================================

The Law of Bloviation, t_e.

What are you, some kind of rube?

This is the same law that said Clinton must be impeached for a bj, but no non-hippie should even think about the shredding of the Constitution done by Dick Cheney and his youthful ward, teh Shrub.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 26, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Police said Exodus either slipped or put her head in the loop of a cord hanging under the console."

For want of the disturbing nature of this sad event, no gallows humor is necessary..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

..gaaak..my bad..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

A Vick/Skins marriage..Wouldn't that be a gay marriage?? F*ck you, a**hole Van Gundy, f*ck you idiots spouting my name across your worldwide secret a**hole network..peace and love, anyway..

Posted by: frak | May 26, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I like to rib 4th about his predictions and proclamations all the the time, but he nailed the Magic/Cavs series. Kudos my man!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 27, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant legal opinion. He doesn't have the right....unless the law says he has the right.

Let me ask you this, barrister. If Dan Snyder wants to hire Vick to play on his team, what right does the NFL have to prevent this? What labor law or Costitutional principle would allow the NFL to block Snyder from putting Vick on the field?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

First of all, you didn't really understand my point (no surprise). But to answer your question, in case you actually care, the NFL can't prevent the Redskins, as a business entity, from entering into a contractual relationship with anyone (see: Al Davis vs the NFL in the move to Los Angeles in the '80s), but the NFL can certainly prevent that person from playing in a game - the NFL holds almost all the rights to the games, the player rosters, TV, some of the marketing, league rules, etc. Snyder, in effect, has no leverage - he can pay whomever he wants, but the NFL doesn't have to let him be a player.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 27, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Mawwiage! Mawwiage is what bwings us togewther hewre today....an unwikely mawwiage.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 27, 2009 12:35 AM | Report abuse

So I wonder who it was I was arguing with two months ago that said Dwight Howard had no post game.

That Orlando couldn't rely on Howard down the stretch.

That it was more important to have a closer than to have the DPOY that single-handedly makes everyone better on the defensive end for the entire game.

That Howard's presence on the offensive end was overrated.

Unfortunately, people will see Lebron's stats this series and bring out the same old tired excuses. "He doesn't have the help." "His teammates aren't that good."

Only they won't realize that when you dribble 20 seconds off the shot clock, there isn't much your teammates can do for you.

And they'll still say Lebron is the most valuable player.

But when Orlando wins this series, I'll be here saying I told you so.

Dwight Howard -- the true league MVP. Nobody is more valuable to build a team around right now.

Posted by: psps23 | May 27, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

boy, talk about beating a dead horse. what's next; will the skins sign brett favre? but this so called reporter is not the only one. no fun league network and espn are also milking the favre and vick stories to the hilt. wake me when someone signs one of them, and even then that is conditional. who cares?

Posted by: jenksredskins | May 27, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

"Dwight Howard -- the true league MVP. Nobody is more valuable to build a team around right now.Posted by: psps23"

On the theme, I remember doing a little research last season on the value of a great PG to a championship club, and being somewhat startled to discover that although great PGs frequently don't get rings, great big men do... and that even in the era of 3 pointers and full court play, the team with the outstading big man still seems to have an advantage.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2009 3:55 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan213: "e doesn't have the right to be an NFL player unless the NFL is keeping him out for an unconstitutional or otherwise unlawful reason."

talent: "Brilliant legal opinion..."

No, it makes sense. Of course if the NFL did forbid Vick to play after a club had signed him, they'd run the risk of winding up explaining themselves to a judge, who could easily overturn it...

But again, why would the NFL take a position on the matter, provided that Vick had satisfied all the requirements of the criminal court? The blowback would fall on the individual team and its owner, not on the League. I doubt the owners (who after all are the NFL, much as we might like to pretend otherwise from time to time) would look kindly on a commish who interfered to that extent once the legal issues had been settled.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2009 6:33 AM | Report abuse

This is the same law that said Clinton must be impeached for a bj,
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 26, 2009 10:03 PM

Now there you go again, bringing your limp Republican accusations and maligning the character and integrity of a Great Democratic President. You must have gotten this stuff off Fox News.

Look, let me remind you that there never was a "bj." It didn't happen. President Clinton said so on national television. "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." So, if he didn't have sex with her, how could he have been "impeached for a bj?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

What labor law or Costitutional principle would allow the NFL to block Snyder from putting Vick on the field?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Snyder, in effect, has no leverage - he can pay whomever he wants, but the NFL doesn't have to let him be a player.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 27, 2009 12:28 AM

If you don't know what law or Constitutional principle lets the comish block Vick from playing, then just say so.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Even if he did come back to the NFL - and that's a big "IF" - I disagree about him playing another position. The guy could be an effective QB in the right system. I mean, Buddy Ryan built the Eagles offense around a scrambling Randal Cunningham and it was effective. Someone out there will give him a shot - especially if they become depleted at QB due to injury. Besides, I am not sure Vick would want to play another position. That didn't really work out for his little brother, did it? And teams don't really pay that much for hybrid/multi-role players, so there's another reason for VIck to be adamant about playing QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Since everyone wants us to change our name, we should bring in Vick and change our mascots to the 'Dog Catchers' or something cool along those lines.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 27, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

bow wow wow yippieh yo yippieh yea

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Man, T_E, you still on that??

It's kinda the other way around - what law tells the commish who can play and who can't?

And don't bring up that 'right to work' sjk, 'cause he's welcome to play arena league...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"...Dwight Howard -- the true league MVP. Nobody is more valuable to build a team around right now..."

Amen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

"It's kinda the other way around - what law tells the commish who can play and who can't?

And don't bring up that 'right to work' sjk, 'cause he's welcome to play arena league...

Posted by: DikShuttle"

1) Probably the same law that tells a kid and his parents whether or not he has to go through chemotherapy.

2) As a business, NFL should have the right to decide whether or not they want Vick back, and the law shouldn't have anything to do with it. And if I'm the NFL, I'd probably give him a second chance. People make mistakes and do dumb things, except for you I guess.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 27, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't read this story yet you will get a good laugh. Nats players on the juice with. With the record they have they should ask for a refund. LMAO

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/05/florida_steroid_dealer_implica.html?wprss=dcsportsbog

Posted by: jm220 | May 27, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The NFL would be completely within it's rights not to let Vick play again. The problem is precedent. If they don't let him back because he's convicted felon, then they would need to kick out the other convicted felon's as well. But if the NFL lets Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis and others play but not Vick, then that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Truth, wtSJK, u sukkard.

Nothing in that statement says anything about whether I think Ron Mexico should play in the NFL or not.

It's not up to me. It wouldn't matter what I thought.

I don't think there's a judge in the country who would force the NFL to play Vick. I'm not a lawyer, but I can't cite any precedent for that. Can you?

But obviously there's a ton of money to be made off his name and while it may not happen this season, I can't see him not coming back. Something tells me Mexico isn't the type to make a stand for Dog-Fighter's rights. He'll be contrite and the league will let him back in.

Can you SJKs get off the 'poor ol Vick' routine?!@ He did this stupid SJK to himself.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm citing Wikipedia - but Ray Lewis was never convicted of a felony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Lewis_(American_football)

And if you look at Jamal's problems, I hope we all agree they pail in comparison to Mr. Mexico's borderline sociopathy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1897106

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"This is the same law that said Clinton must be impeached for a bj,"


Let's get the history right here, fellows.

William Jefferson Clinton perjured himself in a sexual harassment suit brought on by one clueless and later non-suited Paula Jones whose lawyer was trying to establish-- unsuccessfully, if I remember right-- that Mr. Clinton had a pattern of using his position receive or coerce sexual favors from the women he supervised.

From there, the republican controlled congress decided to impreach the president for lying under oath--thus, the lying about a bj leading to impeachment.

But wait: there's more.

Clinton's lie came just after he had left the room to order a military air strike against the Taliban and its leader, Osama Bin Ladin--a historical detail lost in the heated blather of Clinton hateration and Faux News blather.

Clinton has said since that episode that his whole attitude about his testimony about his actions with Monica Wilinsky changed when came back into the room.

He said sat down again realized there was a far greater threat to the nation than whether or not if a woman had engaged him in fellatio--and so, like most men when it came to sex no one was to know about, he lied.

The threat he saw well before the electionof 2000: that an arrogant, out of control gang of sanctimonious conservative republicans would damn the constitution and later wreck the economy.

And eight years later, who can blame him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

jm, anyone in baseball who is juicing is galactically stupid. They TEST for it. They DON'T test for HGH. Why would you take something they test for, when you can get literally the same results from something they cannot test for??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I think that Vick would be a great back-up to Campbell. Get rid of Colt. A year behind Campbell and Collins would allow him the time to learn the offense. And for every so-called fan who would no longer root for the team if we did sign him....who gives a Sh#t! For every one fan lost two more grow back.

Posted by: skynz71 | May 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Wait why is Clintons BJ mentioned up here?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Thay always say its not the act, its the cover up that gets them.

I think Vick would would be more of a distraction than anything else. Even as a back up QB...the negatives would far outweigh the positives. As far as the dog fighting goes, I think its terrible but I also feel he served is time and should be square with the house again.

The court gave him a punishment and he is serving it (as much as a nice house in Hampton, VA is a punishement). To make it fair, I have dispatched my ex-wife to VA to serve out the remainder of his sentence with him...I say let the punishment fit the crime.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 27, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Alex, somehow Ron Mexico getting told he can't play would be similar to impeaching clinton for noggin... I think that's what they're sayin'...

Oh - and I did my first gig up here!! It was AWESOME! I did a memorial day barbecue in Pasedena!! lmao. It was SURREAL. I'm up there ranting about things similar to Clinton's BJ and there's some drunk auntie rubbin up on me (so weird) while kids are running through the backyard setting off bottle rockets. Weird, man, weird.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"...I think that Vick would be a great back-up to Campbell..."

Bro', you got it backwards.

Mike Vick needs the redskins--it's not the other way around.

He doesn't have a specific skill set the team needs (can he play right tackle or guard?) and would only invite more media confusion/attention the team doesn't need.

And get rid of Colt?

Sure: but only to keep Chase Daniels on the roster.

And can we please let go of the whole, "Hey, some guy with one leg is a free agent, let's go sign him," attitude?

Mike Vick needs the NFL.

The NFL doesn't need Mike Vick.

Get it right, y'all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

lmao, cheyenne

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I think a one-year deal at the vet minimum is not a total waste for some other team to take a chance on him. His speed alone makes him dangerous, especially around the edges.

Send him to the Browns, just to see how the Dog Pound reacts to him...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 27, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

If you want a laugh, go check out the "Backfield Rankings" on SI.com. Combination of qb+rb rankings.

Skins are 26th. Which to me is laughable. They have Denver, with No-NFL-Carries Moreno, and Kyle Orton, and SF with Shaun Hill, and Frank Gore ahead of JC, and CP. I'm no JC homer, but gimme a break. They didn't even list Betts as a factor in the equation.

If I were the RB/QB coach's I'd print this up and hang it in every RB/QB's locker for motivation.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, This is just a guess, but based on a few of the things you've said up here I'm thinking that you and the Mrs. didn't have an amicable divorce. Is she posting about you on some blog somewhere?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

1) Probably the same law that tells a kid and his parents whether or not he has to go through chemotherapy.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 27, 2009 8:07 AM

The "political" opinions you sprinkle on your posts suggest you've gotten your hands on maybe half a history book or perhaps some manifesto written by a mental patient.

Posted by: mack1 | May 27, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

cheyenne

"...Send Mike Vick to the Browns, just to see how the Dog Pound reacts to him..."


Now this is what's funny.

Presently, though, we are out of prizes for humor.

So all we have is this: (INSERT image of Moe and cheyenne exchanging a right-fisted 'dap' pound across cyberspace.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

She may in fact be posting on a blog somewhere...she got the computer in the divorce! But I did manage to steal the space bar from the keyboard!

As weird as it is we get along very well and I clown her all the time. She was a cowboys fan...and much like Julius Ceasar, I should have seen it coming.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 27, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

No Bro you got it backwards! Dude, what the heck are you reading? Where the h*ll did you see me say we needed Mike Vick? I I wouldn't put him at any other position but quaterback.Vick coming straight out of prison with one leg is better than Colt, heck, he's better than a few quaterbacks starting right now. Some idiots are talking about attention to the team that it doesn't need. Who gives a crap, as if the media is knocking on your front door. It all comes down to wins ands losses, the medias gonna be there regardless of the outcome. If you win they praise you, if you dont they scrutinize you. We've been getting attention before Mike Vick, we would get attention if we signed him, so what!

Posted by: skynz71 | May 27, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The "political" opinions you sprinkle on your posts suggest you've gotten your hands on maybe half a history book or perhaps some manifesto written by a mental patient.

Posted by: mack1 | May 27, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

There was a manifesto by a dyslexic that I saw-I thing the title was My Nammifeettso.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 27, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

She may in fact be posting on a blog somewhere...she got the computer in the divorce! But I did manage to steal the space bar from the keyboard!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 27, 2009 9:03 AM

No space bar? She's posting up here as ifthethunderdontgetya.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 27, 2009 12:28 AM

If you don't know what law or Constitutional principle lets the comish block Vick from playing, then just say so.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to waste my time giving complex details on a blog to an idiot like you when you have no hope of understanding them. I've already lowered myself to your level enough. This is the last time.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 27, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg,
I just finished reading it. That may be one of the worst articles ever.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to waste my time giving complex details on a blog to an idiot like you when you have no hope of understanding them. I've already lowered myself to your level enough. This is the last time.

Posted by: skinsfan213 | May 27, 2009 9:14 AM

Last time? Are you sure? I'm betting you can't let me have the last word.

Anyway, never mind. If you've already lowered yourself to my level enough, I understand. I'll look for someone else who hasn't. Peace.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

al, it was putrid. I mean not even listing betts was foolish, but to put them behind Denver, who has a rb YET to carry the ball in a real live NFL game, and a QB who is learning a new system, is kinda weak.

I wont even get started on how they didn't list Mason either...pleeze....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

And Colt and Todd.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I wont even get started on how they didn't list Mason either...pleeze....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 9:25 AM

Haven't we cut Mason yet? Isn't this some of the news that Jasno is refusing to report?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else here prepared to see one of the worst officiated NBA games in history tomorrow night in Cleveland?

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

ps23 - I wasn't the one who was having a drawn out debate with you over Dwight Howard but I didn't think Orlando had a chance in hell in the series. Had a feeling they'd win last night just after watching the first few games. If I was building a team I'd still take LeBron over Howard but the Cavs are slow and sh*tty and have no answer for him down low. Guy is just dominating the paint and hitting his free throws so I will definitely give him his due. Doesn't hurt when your teammates are hitting close to 50% from 3 land either.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Replying to an old comment here:

Not to mention odds are he ends in Orlando with a head coach who he played against for years.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 26, 2009 2:43 PM

And what will they be doing together? Visiting Disney World? The last time I czeced there warrent no NFL team in the Big O.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 26, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse


I was talking about the UFL team in Orlando.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Boy---let's review:

Folks say the front office is caught up in chasing big names, Mike Vick gets out of jail, and folks complain the front office is chasing him fast enough.

They want to replace a WCO quarterback they claim is mediocre--Jason Campbell--with one who was--Mike Vick.

I guess folks have forgotten that only crabs make sideways moves.

And the difference between the two: Campbell can't win behind a bad o-line and Vick can't be expected to be in the league playing until Campbell gets and extension or is let go of by the skins.

Jim Mora, jr.--the coach Vick killed--from the safety of Seahawkland has now stated he didn't think Vick was NFL quarterback worthy.

Oh: I forgot: Mike Vick was a Pro Bowler.

In fact, his end of his career Mark Brunellish completion percentage did get him in pro bowls, but the league and media-types factored in Falcon jersey sales, ESPN highlights, and popularity as a part of getting him to Hawaii.

Just say 'No' to Vick: unless he can play right tackle or guard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Just looking over the list of Free Agent players out there right now... Brad Johnson is still playing... wow.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Another person I would like to point out as someone listed as a UFA (according to nfl) is Quinn Gray, who has not played much but put up good numbers the years he did.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Jim Mora, jr.--the coach Vick killed--from the safety of Seahawkland has now stated he didn't think Vick was NFL quarterback worthy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 9:39 AM

Moe, I'm with you most of the way on Vick, but I don't think that he killed Mora. If Mora died, wasn't it suicide? I never had the impression that Mora was much of a coach, and that was confirmed for me when Cnyder and Serrato tried to hire him last year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Ugh - Either Mora here would make me gag.

Playoffs?! Playoffs?!!?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Vick sickens me as a person, but I understand that he went to jail for his crimes and has served out his punishment. I just wish that the penalty was more severe across the board for this type of crime and that he was still in jail (or at least slammed to the ground a few times and then shocked with a car battery and thrown into a pool), but apparently there are too many people in possession of marijuana, so the jails are too crowded. He will probably be allowed to play eventually, but Goodell is pretty much ruling with an iron fist, and Vick lied to his face before finally coming clean. I don’t see Goodell letting him back in until at least the 2010 season, just to set an example. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Goodell never lets him back in though; the man is trying to sue the state of Delaware for legalizing sports betting…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I just wish that the penalty was more severe across the board for this type of crime and that he was still in jail (or at least slammed to the ground a few times and then shocked with a car battery and thrown into a pool)

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 10:18 AM

Wow. This just sounds so Abu Ghraib, except you left out the waterboarding.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I was talking about the UFL team in Orlando.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 9:39 AM

My apologies alex. I did not know that the UFL was a professional football organization. If you had asked me about it I would have guessed MMA - Ultimate Fight League. You learn lots of stuff on this blog.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 27, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Chigurh,
I suggest you check it out. Network deal with VS. Has Dennie Green Fassel and a bunch of NFL coaches running the teams and about 30 mill in funding for the first 2 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Chigurh,
I suggest you check it out. Network deal with VS. Has Dennie Green Fassel and a bunch of NFL coaches running the teams and about 30 mill in funding for the first 2 seasons.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 10:34 AM

Who cares about coaches, players. What innovations are they making in cheerleaders uni's?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Steve Jackson on LaRon Landry:

You've got LaRon Landry starting at free safety, and people email me all the time asking why he's not up at strong safety. What's the thinking behind that?

Jackson: "That's a good question, and I hear it all the time too. With the style of defense that we play, the strong safety is more a box type player. He's gonna cover tight ends, and he has to be able to attack fullbacks and take the physical rigors of being down there. He's like a small linebacker.

"LaRon's biggest assets are his speed and his range. With the way we play our free safety, he has to be a guy that can run from sideline to sideline to protect the corners. If anybody breaks free, the free safety has to be the one to run that guy down. And that's what he does better than anybody we have on this team.

"As far as taking on fullbacks and just being the guy to get in there and get dirty and grimy and do all the dirty work, that's not LaRon. It's a waste of his particular talents to put him down in there. Nothing against the position, but he's better for our defense with his physical skills back there being the traffic cop and being the savior, the angel for anyone who gets into trouble."

Posted by: skinfanman | May 27, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I SAY SIGN VICK. THAT WOULD BE a GREAT MOVE!

Then put him on the offensive line against all NFC East teams and let him feel a portion of what his Rotts felt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BingCreole | May 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

And backing him up is Kareem Moore. What do you see from him heading into his second year?

Jackson: "He has the same attributes as LaRon. They're guys who can go sideline to sideline, and he's probably got the best ball skills of everybody in the defensive backfield besides DeAngelo [Hall].

Really?

Jackson: "Aw, yeah. You throw a ball, he'll just pluck it out of the air. And the thing about him is, he was hurt when we got him. He didn't have any OTAs, didn't even practice til the middle of training camp. So I think people'll be surprised with what they see out of Kareem this year now that he's had a full offseason AND got some experience in games last year. He looks a million times better than he did last year -- we've got a pretty good group."

Posted by: skinfanman | May 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

psps, I think you have secretions on the corner of your mouth from all the Dwight Howard slurping you were doing earlier this morning...

Did Dwight contribute? Of course he did, but I think you're exaggerating his contribution.

The Magic connceted on 17 three-poniters last night -- out of 38.

Last nights win by the Magic showed exactly what they are: A team that plays it's best when playing on the perimeter and are knocking down shots and in doing so that opens up things for Dwight Howard.

Howard's offensive game is still raw, IMO. He has no low post signature move that all the great bigs have.

The Magic are a better team overall than Cleveland.

LeBron James is better than Dwight Howard by far, and by vouching for Howard over LeBron just shows that you bleed 'zards blue.

Which is a great thing.

Wizards -- Top four seed in '10 playoffs.

Question: What do we call 2010? Twenty-Ten?
Twenty and Ten? 'O'-Ten? Zero Ten? 10?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Howard's offensive game is still raw, IMO. He has no low post signature move that all the great bigs have"

Truer words have yet to be spoken. If you can't move him off the block, then he's gonna have a great game. Perkins was able to move him around in the low post, which is why he wasn't as effective vs. Boston. Ilgauskgus, can't get him off the block, so he can get inside.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What up wit' the Mexico inuendo. Dogfighting is as American as apple pie.

Did you guys know the the Mexican president has a running joke/comment that whenever there is an outbreak/epidemic, food, swine flu, etc. in the U.S. that he claims the U.S. always blames it on Mexico.

I guess he isn't making it all up.

Blame it on Mexico. Ha! Ha!

I thought it was funny when the Mexican President made that statement. It's even funnier now.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 27, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"...but I don't think that he killed Mora. If Mora died, wasn't it suicide?"

Jim Mora, jr. spelled backwards is 'nepotism.'

Nothing against the guy.

I just wish sometimes my dad had been good at something other than getting my mom pregnant and evading the police.

That way, I could step into a high paying, cushy job and say things like, "Hey, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps--stop the affirmative action, good ol' boy network chatta!!!"

His dad, Jim Mora, sr., was a good coach in Nawlins back in the day.

Rememba the linebackers the saints had during that time:

Pat Swilling

Ricky Jackson

Sam Mills

That was one heckuva group.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Gary Fitzgerald says Mike Williams is down to 385 as of yesterday.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

mistamo: "Jim Mora, jr...has now stated he didn't think Vick was NFL quarterback worthy...his end of his career Mark Brunellish completion percentage did get him in pro bowls, but the league and media-types factored in Falcon jersey sales, ESPN highlights, and popularity as a part of getting him to Hawaii."

I never know how much of these posts is meant in jest (a lot, I imagine), but really, what's the point of disrespecting the guy as a football player just because you hate his personal life? Far as I can see, the numbers reveal a once-in-a-generation athlete who dicked up his own career through reprehensible behavior. Doesn't make him less of a football player.

Maybe it's like Mark Bavaro said: a lot of these guys are borderline criminal. And sometimes they cross that line.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

re: a tampering primer

bla, bla, bla everyone does it some people get caught. The league is cracking down, should be comparable to 9ers losing a 5th for Briggs, if we're punished.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

The NFL cannot prevent Vick from ever playing in the NFL unless he violates thier rules and practices in some manner. Has anyone ever heard of the term "collusion"? It is illegal for a monopoly like the NFL to collude to prevent someone from having a job i.e check out the collusion cases against baseball in years past.

So, no this is not a Title VII issue, but if there is a concerted effort or secret agrement not to allow Vick to play, the NFL will lose its shirt in a law suit.

Second, it is true, to play in the NFL is not a right , it is a priviledge, no different than you having the right to have your job. You don't have a right to a job, any job, it is a priviledge. So to use the Vick example, since having a job is a priviledge, if any of you should, god forbid, do something wrong, you should never be able to get another job because having a job IS A PRIVILEDGE AND NOT A RIGHT.

Please use do not abandon common sense when you discuss these issues. Whether you like Vick or not, he should have an opportunity to work in his chosen profession, just as any top scientist or researcher, if convicted of a crime, would be scooped up by employers in need of his services.

BTW, for all of you lovers of the skins 3rd string Qb, Colt Brennan, he was accused of sexually assaulting a women and transfered to Hawaii for that and other transgressions. And, as most of you would agree based on the OJ case, just because you were not convicted doesn't mean you were innocent of the crime. What should be done with Colt???

Posted by: JMac_in_MD | May 27, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

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