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Smells Like a Close Game

The Seahawks are in a slide, losing three in a row and six of seven. Their only win in that span came again San Fran, so even that's a little suspect. That's also the only game of the last seven in which they have scored more than 20 points. They've even dropped three in a row at home (and four of five this season), which is pretty out of character for them.

Still, I get the feeling this is going to be a back-and-forth game, pretty close until the end (not exactly going out on a limb there, as it generally describes 95 percent of the games the Skins have played the last five years). Seattle's blitz-heavy defense has caused problems for the Skins over the years - especially in the playoffs - and although top pass rusher Patrick Kerney is out for the rest of the season, Seattle still has very active linebackers who can hurt you (local product Julian Peterson chief among them).

Given the state of the Skins' pass protection, and with the Seahawks having pretty much nothing lose at this point, you'd think they would use a very aggressive defense and try to attack as much as possible (generally easier to get a 2-8 defense to rally around that philosophy at this stage of the year, trying to knock other people out, than it is to play not to lose). Top corner Marcus Trufant suffered a concussion Sunday and may not be available, but Jim Zorn expects a top effort from that defense regardless, led by middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu.

"He will not allow his group to slack at all," Zorn said of Tatupu.

The Seahawks have been ravaged by injuries to their receivers and lost Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck for much of the season, too, and though he was shaky last week in his first game back, he should have shaken off some of the rust and should be better this week. If he is allowed the kind of time Tony Romo had Sunday night, he's going to move the ball no matter who is catching it. Seattle has been efficient running the ball, with Julius Jones averaging 4.4 yards per carry and Joe Gibbs's old buddy T.J. Duckett getting short-yardage carries and rushing for six TDs. Rookie tight end John Carlson (taken in the same round as Fred Davis) leads the team with 30 catches and 337 yards, but with Hasselbeck back, there will be more efficiency and accuracy in the passing game over the stretch drive.

Obviously, this is a return trip to Seattle for a ton of Redskins players and coaches - Zorn, Sherman Smith, Stump Mitchell, Shaun Alexander, Mike Green, Shawn Springs, Pete Kendall and Ryan Plackemeier. But with so much at stake for the Skins, that's certainly a secondary subplot.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 21, 2008; 7:15 AM ET
 
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ehh

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Zorn got to get over this have to know the play book 100%. At this point we need something to jump start the O. Let Kelly play and sit SA. Not like SA is doing anything when is given a chance to run. Kelly will go 100 yards and 1 TD Sunday.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 21, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

btw/fyi/atj (all that jazz): catastrophe was averted this a.m. when i discovered that the coding for the predictify question now leads not to the redskins-seahawks result but to "will gwyneth paltrow and chris martin be next to break up?"

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

cindy, speaking of celebs...Ashton kutcher is way way brighter than I thought and people who act and look smart like ben affleck and brad Pitt are just numbingly boring

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

While I agree that Seattle has no choice but to try and emulate what Pitt, and Dallas did, there is a categorical difference in players called upon to do this. Pitt has arguably the best LB's in the NFL, and Dallas has a good front 7 as well. Losing Kerney is a HUGE blow to this group, and sure they can send the house, but when you don't have the horses to make it happen, and you don't have the corners to cover, you end up getting burned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Run, Run, Run, Run, Run. And then throw it to Kelly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 21, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn got to get over this have to know the play book 100%."

It's not just Zorn that has to be convinced. Campbell has to trust that the receiver will be in the right spot when he releases the ball because so many passes are thrown to a spot, before the break of the receiver. It's like having an offensive lineman that pulls the wrong way on a running play, or a running back that thinks someone else has blitz protection before going out for a pass. These are the mental mistakes that cost games, and get quarterbacks unwarranted interceptions or worse, injuries. Running the wrong route does show up to the fan as much as mistakes by linemen but they can be just as devastating. Keeping a player off the field who does not know what he is doing is entirely justified in my opinion. Why is it some rookies can learn the playbook and contribute and others can take the slack approach to this part of their job?

Posted by: driley | November 21, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

F seattle and their blitz happy defense. I say this game is not close in the 4th.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

also cindy oprah had this woman on from mauratina a country in north west Africa and she said if men desire women that are fat, have stretch marks and divorced...wow

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

yep you can expect posts like those from mr all day today...no laptop today

Yes zorny needs to get over his self and just run the damn ball

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

driley I understand what you are saying. That is the reason why you make sure he knows at least 3 -4 plays. Also a coach has to allow the rookies to make mistakes. He can't be afraid period.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 21, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

F seattle and their blitz happy defense. I say this game is not close in the 4th.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

You have apparently not watched the Redskins play this season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 21, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The Seahawks have been ravaged by injuries to their receivers and lost Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck for much of the season, too, and though he was shaky last week in his first game back, he should have shaken off some of the rust and should be better this week. If he is allowed the kind of time Tony Romo had Sunday night, he's going to move the ball no matter who is catching it. Seattle has been efficient running the ball, with Julius Jones averaging 4.4 yards per carry and Joe Gibbs's old buddy T.J. Duckett getting short-yardage carries and rushing for six TDs. Rookie tight end John Carlson (taken in the same round as Fred Davis) leads the team with 30 catches and 337 yards, but with Hasselbeck back, there will be more efficiency and accuracy in the passing game over the stretch drive.

By Jason La Canfora | November 21, 2008; 7:15 AM ET

Congrats JLC...you tool. You got in two digs in the same paragraph.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Agreed about Kutcher, Dealer. Caught him last week on Maher's show. While he isn't about to split the atom, he was smarter than a fencepost. (Cue the "he has teensy teeth" responses!)

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

From the previous post:

"The Redskins lost one of their leaders and top producers on special teams when corner Leigh Torrence was released"

WTF, can we just induct the guy into the Ring Of Fame, retire his number and be done with it??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Yeah moose even the lions game was close

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Run the ball and tell Sean Alexander we are trading him back to the seahawks for a few starbucks lates

Posted by: alex35332 | November 21, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

So does that make Kutcher just a bit smarter than Malcolm Kelly?

Posted by: tafka | November 21, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Forecast for Sunday in Seattle - Mostly Cloudy. High: 50. Low: 39.

That seems pretty normal for there.

Posted by: tafka | November 21, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

(Cue the "he has teensy teeth" responses!)

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Ashton Kutcher has teensy weensy tiny teeth.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

The old clever Jasno would have titled this thread, "Smells like Team Spirit".

Posted by: tafka | November 21, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Cindy Boren always did like those guys with teensy weensy teeth.

Posted by: tafka | November 21, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Cindy, yes watched the same show after I had watched Pitt on oprah...isn't jolie suppose to be smart? What in the he'll is she doing with Pitt?

I am reeeeeeally hoping Kelly plays and plays well enough to scare the scouts from nyg and balmer...otherwise it's gonna be a looooooong few weeks

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

brown, no kidding, I'm almost numb to his cheap shots. Seriously, you're taking a cheap shot at Joe Gibbs for a trade made what 2 years ago? Why?? What do you hope to gain by doing that, why haven't you moved on, honestly it just makes him seem bitter, and petulant.

And as far as the shot at Fred Davis and the Seattle TE, this just amazes me, it really does. Who is Seattle's starting TE, versus who is the Redskins starting TE?? Did the rook for Seattle STEP RIGHT INTO the starting job, as a matter of fact, I believe he did. I just don't get it, I really don't....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Excellent timing, Redcoaut, Dealer, Tafka.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm the JM. Let the kid play. Heck if he runs the wrong route who knows maybe we'll throw the ball more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: Gweez | November 21, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

The reason that Jolie seems relatively smart is because the average IQ of Hollywood actors is about 105. Having good script memorization skills only makes you the equal of a parrot.

Posted by: tafka | November 21, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

the torrence lovers should just marry the guy. are special teams did better against dallas than they have all year. the zman should trust jason more and open up the play book instead o f being like gibbs and his conservative ways. when they start opening up one time then it will be more productive later in games because they will have done it. pass blocking is important in this also. but when you have an open offense the defenses have to play differently. then the run gets better as well. go skins.

Posted by: rls1041 | November 21, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

cindy, WHY do you like guys with baT teeth

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

That's right, Greg. The Seahawks were hit so bad with injuries on offense my 2 year-old daughter could've started at TE for them. I'm pretty sure if Seattle took Fred Davis he'd be starting too.

The only way I'd harp on the Duckett trade is if the pick we traded ended up being a Pro Bowler. But I'm sure JLC won't bother to track down which team got the pick or who the pick ended up being...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

brown, ITS TWO FRIGGIN YEARS AGO!!! Why is it even relavant?? Lets go back and review the Dan Wilkinson trade, then we can do the Brad Johnson one, and then after that we'll finish up with Calvin Muhammed.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Can we please get rid of Alexander?!? Zorn's love affair with this has-been is causing us to dress only four receivers. If I have to see Thrash line up one more time as a viable option I am calling it a season. Bad enough we don't have a legit #2 target but isn't it the coaches job to make sure Kelly "Learns" the playbook. At the end of the day its still football. Just tell him to run a post or curl and be done with it.

Posted by: cmalar1 | November 21, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone up here is tired of jasno's pettiness Its just that everyone seems to be going off at different times. this piece didn't bug me as much but I didn't like it either like I said my reaction to this was "ehh"... maybe because I had my venting in the last post.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"the zman should trust jason more and open up the play book instead o f being like gibbs and his conservative ways"

If we both watched the same game then you would have to agree that Campbell had no time for a long pass pattern to develop before the someone wearing a star on the side of their helmet was making formal introductions to him. Zorn in fact said that there were receivers that were open downfield that Campbell could not see while basically using all his survivor skills. Sometimes the defense just dictates with how creative you can be on offense. In the end all creative offenses have to have the foundation of a solid offensive line.

Posted by: driley | November 21, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

If we lose this game maybe the "Bring Back Leigh" chants start up next week....

Posted by: cmalar1 | November 21, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw that Dealer. I had the same reaction, but I ran out of space on the letters 'a' and 'h'.

Greg--I'm with you, man. I'm just saying it would make more sense to be bitter about that trade if that pick became someone special. But we trade so many picks here I'm numb to that whole thought process (information overload). But I'm more concerned with the picks used starting this year on because it's all on Vinny.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Slow day...

Posted by: alex35332 | November 21, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

The only way I'd harp on the Duckett trade is if the pick we traded ended up being a Pro Bowler.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The pick ended up being Denver OT Ryan Harris.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=7255

He played in 11 games as a rookie (mainly special teams) and has started every game for the Donkeys this year with no penalties and only allowing one sack.

Not a pro-bowler yet, but not too bad either!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

also I recommend listening to zorn interviews yourself because then you won't totally rely on jasno's interpretations

Posted by: dealer1 | November 21, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Corrrection, one half sack.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Redcoat. How bad could we use a solid OT right now? Oh well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I got a problem with you if :

1) You don't think Rock Cartwright should get more carries at RB with or without Portis\Betts.

2) You don't think Big Mike Sellers should get more carries with or without Portis\Betts\Rock.

3) You don't like LaVar Arrington.

4) You disagree with the fact that "If we play physical, WE WIN!"

5) You have given up on this draft class already.

6) You don't think Big Sleepy will be very good one day.

7) Your initials are T and E.

8) You didn't like Gibbs 2.0.

9) You think everyone has to be either For Vinny Cerrato/Against JLC or vice versa.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

And he's the starting RIGHT tackle. But then I guess you couldn't have used a good, young, one of those, could you? :)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

beep beep -- it's bash Cerrato time again

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

im with you on that Truth

Posted by: FAB88 | November 21, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry guys I was really rubbing it in.

The Duckett trade has gone and so has the opportunity. If it helped condition your FO to keeping more of your picks for this year's draft - which it did - then at least it did that much good.

There's a rule in selling/buying which says "never be a man in a hurry with money". Basically it means you'll buy fast, and will usually buy badly. Duckett was an example, I REALLY hope Jason Taylor doesn;t turn out the same for you guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

4th, necessity. i had felix jones and witten all season. i had to drop him last week to pick up harrison and arrington. and was hoping to pick him up before anyone noticed he was out there. :) i did the automatic draft. if i had a choice i would've picked cooley over witten and portis over jones.

................

Posted by: dealer1 | November 20, 2008 6:05 PM

That's why he got put on IR yesterday. Enjoy your Cowgirls Fantasy Football team.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 21, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Weird. It was up there -- "It's a matter of personnel" -- but now it's down. Maybe Jasno had a change of heart and wants a new title -- "It's a matter of Vinny hate?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Thought I'd share this pearl of wisdom from good old Peter King.

From his "Weekend Pickoff" column:

Washington Redskins (6-4) at Seattle Seahawks (2-8)

Is it my imagination, or do the Redskins play in Seattle every three or four weeks?

Prediction: Washington Redskins 23, Seattle Seahawks 18
-----------------------------------------

Play in Seattle every three or four weeks? Huh?

Am I missing some inside joke here?

WTF is wrong with this dude?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 21, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Weird. It was up there -- "It's a matter of personnel" -- but now it's down. Maybe Jasno had a change of heart and wants a new title -- "It's a matter of Vinny hate?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator |"

nope, he saw my great post and didn't want me to have to repost it

He understands The Truth.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

No beep. Back to this thread. That was me mis-setting Loseable Type. As you were.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The NFL doesn't make sense. That is why we're going to win big this weekend. We're due for it.

34-10 Skins.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 21, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"Play in Seattle every three or four weeks? Huh?

Am I missing some inside joke here?

WTF is wrong with this dude?

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

I don't get it either.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

And he's the starting RIGHT tackle. But then I guess you couldn't have used a good, young, one of those, could you? :)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat that's totally unfair. You're assuming Vinny would have had the smarts not to F-that up as well.

Posted by: mack1 | November 21, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Cindy, don't bother reposting it, I read through it when it was up, and its not worth the time.

This team is 6-4, and up until the last 2 games had been playing very well. They played the Steelers poorly, which surprise, surprise, most teams struggle to container the steelers defensively, and they lost a close game to a team on the brink of collapse.

If they were 2-8, or had a losing record overall, then by all means, pile on, but give it a rest already...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Here is what was posted, then taken down. More of JLC hating on Vinny:

"IT'S STILL A MATTER OF PERSONNEL

The first instinct is always to blame the coach for everything. He's the only guy near the top of the Redskins' pyramid to actually solicit and respond to most media inquiries, the only person who takes on public accountability, the man left to explain pretty much every maneuver the team makes, regardless of whether it's really his domain or that of the personnel department. But Jim Zorn is not the highest authority on the Redskins' payroll; the man who hired him, Executive Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato is. Cerrato was running the team in the offseason, before a coach was hired, and he remains the most influential person in the organization. Nothing happens in relation to football operations that doesn't run through him, according to the press release owner Daniel Snyder issued when Cerrato was promoted in January."

Posted by: RolloverTomasi | November 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It absolutely wouldn't be a surprise if this game were close just like every other game, but I don't think it works out that way in the end.

The Skins pull away in the 3rd quarter, and make several season stats look better along with it.

Posted by: craig2 | November 21, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

generally easier to get a 2-8 defense to rally around that philosophy at this stage of the year

By Jason La Canfora | November 21, 2008; 7:15 AM ET

Now the team is 2-8 and the defense was ranked 28th in the league: 31st against the pass and 21st against the run. That was before they lost their best pass rusher for the season.

So, assuming they "rally around the philosophy," how good are they? Will they jump into a phone booth and emerge as supermen? And why didn't the "rally around the philosophy" before now?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

what I don't understand is ... alot of you on here love to spend 15 posts bashing JLC and his reporting, but yet you are on here every day spending time posting those 15 bashes. hahahhaha. If yall don't like the dood, go somewhere else. Simple as that, I'm sick of having to read it.

Posted by: cb10 | November 21, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs, head coach of the undefeated Tennessee Titans, spoke today about their upcoming Thanksgiving-day game against the winless Detroit Lions.

"It's going to be a super hard fought, tough as nails game. They are a great team with a great foundation. Our team needs to leave our guts on the field if we want to beat the Detroit Lions. There is no room for mistakes," he continued, "They are a well coached team and I have a super tremendous amount of respect for what they have done this year. This could be the toughest game of the year for us."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

No beep. Back to this thread. That was me mis-setting Loseable Type. As you were.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 9:29 AM

Or it was the Post's lawyers wanting to take a second look at it. Or it was the sports editor telling Jason "You've already beaten the flesh off of this dead horse. Can't you find a different dead horse just for a little variety?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

cb10, if you're so sick of having to read it, then jam a pencil in each eye...there....problem solved...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I copied and pasted that text above from my RSS feed reader, where it is still listed as an article that has been posted to this blog, even though it no longer shows up here.

I guess he's in the midst of writing a new "I hate Vinny" diatribe and it accidentally got posted prematurely. I love how he's taking advantage of the fact that we've lost 2 games in a row, and so now he's going to try to stick it to Vinny. Because, of course, Vinny's choices in the off-season, before Jim Zorn was even hired, are the EXACT reasons that we have lost the last two games.

Good grief.

Seriously, where was this posting two games ago, when we were winning more. I love how the Redskins beat reporter for a newspaper renowned for it's journalistic prowess is allowed to have such obvious personal biases toward the subject of which he writes. Ridiculous.

And I know that Vinny is probably an ass and deserves to not be liked by people, but that doesn't excuse JLC from having to be a professional.

Posted by: RolloverTomasi | November 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If yall don't like the dood, go somewhere else. Simple as that, I'm sick of having to read it.

Posted by: cb10 | November 21, 2008 9:44 AM |

First of all we do not come here for JLC, a monkey could do this blog as well as him and get more insider information. We come here to talk to each other about the Skins and to Jibba-Jabba.

If you do not want to read it maybe you should go somewhere else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Will do Greg, I'll give that a shot and let yall know how it works out. Thanks. hahahhahha

Posted by: cb10 | November 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

When is Jasno going to go after Vinny for hiring Jim Zorn?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do those BMW commercials with vinny and Doc creep the sh!t out of you. Vinny looks like he is being videotaped by terrorists for a hostage film.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 21, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

ummmm...for the 1,378,623rd time - it's a blog people - part of the deal is he shares his opinions

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 21, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"what I don't understand is ... alot of you on here love to spend 15 posts bashing JLC and his reporting, but yet you are on here every day spending time posting those 15 bashes. hahahhaha. If yall don't like the dood, go somewhere else. Simple as that, I'm sick of having to read it.

Posted by: cb10"


I don't like you.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

cb10, good luck, make sure they're VERY SHARP.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

When is Jasno going to go after Vinny for hiring Jim Zorn?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 21, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

From that soundbite it sounds like a preemptive shout out to protect Zorny

Posted by: alex35332 | November 21, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

cb = cornerback more like cornerHACK

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Punting For Jesus - 'Cause it's the right thing to do."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

ummmm...for the 1,378,623rd time - it's a blog people - part of the deal is he shares his opinions

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

----------------------------

Umm, it's a comment system, JohnDinHouston - part of the deal is that we get to make our opinion of his shoddy reporting known.

It's not a personal blog, BTW. It's a news beat. He's writing about the Redskins as a beat reporter for the Washington Post, so he should be held accountable for anything he intends for the consumption of WashPost readers, whether it's on a blog, or a napkin.

Posted by: RolloverTomasi | November 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

When is Jasno going to go after Vinny for hiring Jim Zorn?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Doesn't the fact that he hasn't done this imply that he only attacks when he has substance?

Posted by: psps23 | November 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't like you.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 21, 2008 9:54 AM |

I'll try to continue to make it through the day, knowing that Truth. Now we can get back to the Skins discussions.

Posted by: cb10 | November 21, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

We need to reestablish the JC to Moss hook-up, that has been sorely lacking lately, a little time for JC should go a long way to getting that done.
Why would Zorn be waiting for a game-time decision to play Kelley. He said he wants to make sure hes 100% on the playbook, i dont see what hes gonna figure out all the sudden though would instill confidence in Zorn. Furthermore why would we not play him, we have been playing Thomas who clearly does not have 100% of the playbook understood to the point of execution.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 21, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Tomas: No, he writes articles as part of his role as the beat reporter. Perhaps you've read them? This is a forum for his opinions and general ramblings.

Since when did you define how the newspaper presented its content to its consumers? Jasno has always presented opinions in this space. You may not AGREE with those opinions, but if you expect straight reporting, this is not the place to get it.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I have the feeling that he already knows if he will play him, and doesn't want Seattle to know whether they have to game plan for him or not.

Posted by: RolloverTomasi | November 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

And as far as the shot at Fred Davis and the Seattle TE, this just amazes me, it really does. Who is Seattle's starting TE, versus who is the Redskins starting TE?? Did the rook for Seattle STEP RIGHT INTO the starting job, as a matter of fact, I believe he did. I just don't get it, I really don't....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Then this poses the question, "why was he drafted in the first place?" That's the only thing that really puzzles me. The situation of Cooley being in front of Davis isn't going to change any time soon, and likely (hopefully) for the entire tenure of Cooley's career.

Although I will agree that the Carlson comparison is stretching it a bit, because the idea of drafting any TE in the 2nd round, whether it was Davis, Carlson, or Bennett, would have resulted in the same situation we have here now.

Posted by: psps23 | November 21, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Good GOD!

Today it's JLC/Vinny and their inablity to do their jobs.

Stay tuned tomorrow for: JLC/Vinny and the women who love them--and loathe them.

This blog is becoming like a freakin' soap opera.

I'll take two of those pencils please.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 21, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I have the feeling that he already knows if he will play him, and doesn't want Seattle to know whether they have to game plan for him or not.

Posted by: RolloverTomasi | November 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah but how much time would you really have to spend game planning on him, how would you even go about it there no tape on the guy except for his 7 college games.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 21, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I'll take two of those pencils please.

Posted by: RedDMV

lol

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 21, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

btw/fyi/atj (all that jazz): catastrophe was averted this a.m. when i discovered that the coding for the predictify question now leads not to the redskins-seahawks result but to "will gwyneth paltrow and chris martin be next to break up?"

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 21, 2008 7:45 AM

I'll take Gwyneth Paltrow and the under.

Also, this must be my lucky day ... The Truth has no problem with me!

Posted by: dcsween | November 21, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'll take two of those pencils please.

Posted by: RedDMV

hahahhahha, that did make me chuckle a tad ...

Posted by: cb10 | November 21, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'll take Gwyneth Paltrow and the under.

Posted by: dcsween | November 21, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm going for the upset. We haven't heard from J-Lo in a while and another divorce would be just the thing to put her back on the maps, like such as.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 21, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Stu -- just so you know, Kelly actually had a pretty decent college career:

Playing as a true freshman in the 2005 season, Kelly led the Sooners in receptions and receiving yards. He had a season-high eight receptions at Nebraska, and hauled in five passes for a season-best 118 yards against Texas A&M. He became the fourth freshman in OU history to lead the team in receiving, the first since 1975.

Kelly was named to The Sporting News Freshman All-America Team honorable mention and All-Big 12 Freshman Team. He also received an All-Big 12 honorable mention (Big 12 Coaches). Kelly ranks No. 4 at Oklahoma for receiving yards by a freshman, No. 5 for receptions by a freshman.

In his 19th career game at Oklahoma, Kelly became the fastest player in Sooners history to reach 1,000 career receiving yards. During the 2006 season he led the Sooners in receptions, receiving yards and touchdown catches. In a game against Texas Tech he tied the school record with 11 receptions. He also went over 100 receiving yards in five games with a best of 164 versus Middle Tennessee.

After only two seasons with the Sooners, Kelly made it to eleventh on the all time career receiving list with 1,464 yards. He also has the second most receiving yards in a season in OU's history with 993 yards, behind Mark Jermain Clayton's 1,425 yards. He also led Oklahoma to the Big 12 championship. He scored ten touchdowns in his junior Campaign.

Kelly suffered a knee injury early in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl and missed most of the game.

Kelly began the 2007 season with a great game against North Texas, receiving for over 150 yards in a 79-10 victory. A week later he recorded 102 yards and three touchdowns receiving as the Sooners beat the Miami Hurricanes 51-13. In his junior season he ranked second on the Sooners, grabbing 49 passes for 821 yards (16.8-yard average) and nine touchdowns.

Posted by: craig2 | November 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I remember Kerney's vengence ... with a vengence (plus he looked all scary with that black mouth guard), but I recall that they had another nasty DE on the other side ... they run a base 4-3, right? Who am I thinking about? [I know that Peterson plays on the side opposite Kerney, but he's not the one I'm thinking about.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 21, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

To try to talk about fubball for just a moment, the key - to my uninformed self - to this game is one of two options:

g. Skins run first, last, and always, to set up the play action pass and give JC some time.
#. Skins max-protect the heck out of JC and give him time to pick apart the Seahawks secondary, which then opens the options to run later as the box isn't stacked any more.

I don't see how the Seahawks can win if the Skins offense plays well. That said, if the Skins get behind in this game, it may be really tough for you to get back into it.

I guess what I'm saying is the keys to the game are pretty much all on the Skins side of the ball. If you make the Seahawks play catch-up Hasselbeck might beat you, but he probably won't.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Ah, but would you use a hurry up offense - I keep going back to last year, when Jason was very effective from that setting.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 21, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

h i w3as Joshin about the 7 college game thing, believe me ive heard it before.

Kelly suffered a knee injury early in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl and missed most of the game.--Wouldnt of help them anyhows they were overmatched by an underrated but overwhealming competitor.

But no one else finds it odd that they would put Thomas out there and be so hesitant about Kelley from a playbook standpoint. If anything i would imagine Kellys role would be less then Thomas's, w/ kelly getting more goalline WR sets for fades and such and less open field sets.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

F seattle and their blitz happy defense. I say this game is not close in the 4th.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 21, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

You have apparently not watched the Redskins play this season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 21, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I have watched every single game on the edge of my seat and according to the law of averages (or just dumb luck), a day will come when the Skins actually blow someone out. I'm picking this weekend.

Posted by: Moose33 | November 21, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Then this poses the question, "why was he drafted in the first place?" That's the only thing that really puzzles me"

psp, happens all the time.

Giants drafted Kiwi, when they had Osi, and Strahan.

Cowboys drafted Bennet, and Jones, when they had Barber and Whitten.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Good GOD!

Today it's JLC/Vinny and their inablity to do their jobs.

Stay tuned tomorrow for: JLC/Vinny and the women who love them--and loathe them.

This blog is becoming like a freakin' soap opera.

I'll take two of those pencils please.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 21, 2008 10:13 AM


If it was a reality TV show, I would watch it. The new angle from the show 'PlayMakers'.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 21, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Stu -- The big difference between Kelly and Thomas is the experience factor. Thomas was known to be very raw from a WR perspective. His route running, his ability to read defenses, and overall technique were all known to be issues for him coming out of college. And Zorn said very early on (in the first mini-camp) that he'd be shocked if either one contributed much this year.

Kelly showed how far ahead of Thomas he was in experience early on as well, and in training camp there was speculation he might be able to beat out ARE for the number two before he got hurt.

Anything Thomas gives the team this year is gravy, Kelly on the other was poised to contribute significantly, the knee has created major disappointment.

Of course, the way the offense has been, a little gravy seems NEEDED just to stomach right now.

Posted by: craig2 | November 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Giants drafted Kiwi, when they had Osi, and Strahan.

Cowboys drafted Bennet, and Jones, when they had Barber and Whitten.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 10:33 AM

A little different Greg...the Giants moved Kiwi to LB and with the Cowpies you can never have too many RBs. Unless we're moving Davis to WR, it's a dumb move.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Bennett is a tight end and caught a TD against the Skins even though they already had Witten.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

A little different Greg...the Giants moved Kiwi to LB and with the Cowpies you can never have too many RBs. Unless we're moving Davis to WR, it's a dumb move.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Kiwi went to linebacker was they finally gave up drafting one cuz they haven't been able to draft a good one for over ten years. He wasn't drafted with that intention is what I'm pointing out. At the time, there was much talk about why they would keep drafting D-Linemen, it worked out for 'em, but it was questioned a lot at the time.

Posted by: craig2 | November 21, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And Giants drafted Strahan because he was nearing retirement.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

brown, to me what the giants did is worse, they draft a DE, then try and force him into being a lb...but whatever...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills...

In the past week I've heard Zorn pretty much call out Fred Davis and Malcolm Kelly with regards to learning the playbook and the offense.

And yet he seems to have no problem with Devin "The Flag Magnet" Thomas getting on the field. If it's not pushing off, it is lining up incorrectly. If it's not running the wrong route, it's not knowing when to get into the huddle.

If Devin Thomas is representative of a trustworthy rookie who gets the offense well enough to get on the field, then I really question Zorn's judgment....

Posted by: p1funk | November 21, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 21, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, isn't every game the Skins play a close one?

Posted by: JudoChop | November 21, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess the truth has problems with me because

1.Rock is too small to get many carries at RB. He is much better with no big bodies in front of him and he can pick a hole to run towards. His breakaway speed is not there either so if he does break through it is wasted.

2. Big Mike is a fumbler, but should be used more near the goaline as a receiver. He shields away the defender and is practically impossible to stop. Remember a few years ago 8 catches, 7 TD?

3. Lavaar Arrington was over rated from jump street. He was a GREAT college LB, but was not smart enough to play within a scheme. The one year he had a great year he whined about how schottenheimer was using him all year. Then he went to the Giants with snide remarks about how we would see how bad he really was, and played in what 5 games.

4. Ok no problems here. Run it down their throats, Take your shot down field, stop the run, and don't get beat deep. Oh yeah give up that pass to the sideline that is almost a lateral. It works one out of 10 times.

5. No problem here either. Anybody who gives up on all these guys this quick is pretty short sighted. There are a few I would put good money on them never making any impact at all if they ever get in, but 4 or 5 of them still have a chance.

6.I don't think Big Sleepy will ever be good on this team. He is will be as good as any other 2nd tight end here, which is 15 catches for 150 yards on the season.

7,8,9 Not TE, Luke warm on 2.0, and though you dont have to be up one or the other ones butt and hate the other, JLC will forever be in the doghouse for his call to the league in my book....which has sold 0 copies.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | November 21, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Play in Seattle every three or four weeks? Huh?

Am I missing some inside joke here?

WTF is wrong with this dude?

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

I don't get it either.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Here, let me help.

Since 2003, the Skins have played Seattle five times, including the last two times the Skins made the playoffs. King seems to think, as do I, that it's unusual to play them that often, considering that there aren't any NFL cities farther from Washington than Seattle. It's not a conspiracy or anything, just an odd coincidence.

Posted by: JimmieBise | November 21, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

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