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I'd Take Okoye, Would You Say Landry?

I'm the first to admit that I am hardly a sage NFL scout, and there is little chance I would be earning a paycheck that way if this writing thing ever fell through. But, this time of year, everyone pretends to be a talent evaluator, right? And after spending 10 days or so talking to a lot of people who actually do feed their families doing this stuff - and some of whom are undoubtedly at the very top of the scouting game - I am going to proclaim that if I was the Skins and I could not trade down, I'd take Amobi Okoye with the sixth pick.

LaRon Landry might be the sexier selection, and you can definitely make more obvious big plays as a safety than as a D tackle, but this 19-year old lineman looks like he is going to be an impact player for a long time. He has the body and he has the heart and he has the head. He is mature and was productive in college. He can be an every down player and provide help on a defensive line that is crying out for assistance while the front office chases down other positions. This organization has not really drafted a developed stud D Linemen with the Mann/Manley heyday, and to me, if they are ever going to reach that elite level again they are going to need young difference-makers in the trenches.

Salave'a has been seriously hurt two years and is winding down, and Griffin has been very banged up the last two years and yet to repeat his Pro Bowl form from 2004. Golston looks like he could be real good, but he's not the complete package Okoye is and is still more of a high-motor guy at the end of the day, which is basically true of the Skins' entire line as it is.

I could end up looking like an idiot five years from now if Landry is the next Ed Reed and Okoye flops, but, hell, it wouldn't be the first time I looked like an idiot, and it won't be the last. I just think Landry and Taylor could end up as a dubious safety coupling, and to invest three top nine picks in a four year span on defensive backs might be a bit much.

So come on all you Landry lovers, I know you're out there. Tell me how stupid I am. Make the case for your guy. I'm all ears (or is that eyes, in this case?).

Dooblebops Update: The concert was a total hit. Daddy was a superstar Sunday (although by naptime Monday my status was the subject of serious debate). It was all a little too loud for a two-year old at first, but by the time intermission was over Chloe was begging for The Doodlebops to come out. For the second set she was no longer glued to my lap in some sort of calcified trance, and was actually dancing and waving her arms to each song.

So I ask her if she wants to go to the aisle and dance with the big kids, and she says yeah, and makes a beeline. By the time I grab the diaper bag and look up, she is on the fifth step about to literally join Moe, Rooney and Dee-Dee (oh yeah, I am an expert on these guys by now) on stage. An elderly security guard grabbed her near the top step. a moment before I caught up. It was pretty funny, but had she actually made it up there I think she would have been trampled by an unsuspecting Doodlebop.

Redskins Insider was holding it down at the concert by the way. A regular named Frank (sorry if I misheard your name but I was pretty loud at the time) was nice enough to introduce himself during intermission, and when the Bops asked for requests someone shouted out "Free Bird" before I could. All in all, it was pretty awesome to have that first concert experience with my daughter (even if it was this kind of music) and to see how quickly she got into it and how much fun she had was something I will always remember.

The Bops put on a good show, although the bombardment of Disney advertising and less-than-subtle commercialism of the entire day was a bit much. With many more of these outings in my future, though, I guess I'd better get used to it. As for those Birkner fans out there, I'd have to say I prefer Dee Dee, and, with Lisa Loeb now doing children's music she is far and away at the top of my must-see kiddie concert list.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 23, 2007; 3:02 PM ET
 
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First!?!

Posted by: opsmandc | April 23, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I agree...I'd pick Okoye.

Posted by: opsmandc | April 23, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

All you Landry fans are just a Dan Snyder with no money to buy the team. That's why fans shouldn't own the team!

Posted by: ES | April 23, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Damn loesable blog type


Here is your arguement JLa;

Skins dont use DT, or DE for sacks, the LB's CB's and Safeties get sacks. Daniels himslef said the coverage was lacking. So we have solidified the CB position with 4 top tier players, and we have the reaper. Know we need another to fortify the back whilst one blitzes or stacks the box.

PP is solid, but Landry is a game changer. THey need to see if their investment in Golston continues to pay off, and their investment in Montgomery starts to pay off.

They still need another DE, which they may be able to get from June 1st cuts.

Bring us any info you have on those June 1 cuts JLA

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 23, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How can Landry stop a 300lb Lineman who can't be blocked because we are weak at the line plus the RB and FB behind him?!?!?

F Landry

Y to Adams

F Dallas

Y to Anderson

Posted by: ES | April 23, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The thing with Okoye is will he continue to be as mature with the kind of money he will have.

It's easy to be humble when you are poor

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

i've gone around and around on this and i would be ok with okoye. i've been all over the place... landry, anderson, carriker... but now that it's draft week i'm pretty settled on a DT who ca make everyone around hiim better. that way i think we get the most value for the pick. i do, however, think branch would be better than okoye and here's why. okoye is in the griff/golston mold of a high motor guy who can get to the passer. when you put two guys like that in the middle, you get run all over like the skins last year. i think we need a guy to complement griff/golston, someone who can eat up a couple of blockers to open holes for everyone else and give the LBs some protection.

therefore, i think we have to look at trading down and picking branch over okoye. while okoye may end up being a replacement for griff down the line, i'd rather take someone who can help the line now.

i say no to adams and anderson - we have carter to rush. rather than put someone else on the other side or middle, and hope they can get to the QB instead of carter, why not hepl carter do what he does best by occupying multiple blockers?

okoye or landry would be great, but i think i've got to puch for branch (someone i would not have even considered a few weeks ago).

just my opinion. thanks for the info jlc.

Posted by: eeyeats | April 23, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

That isn't the only mystery of the universe out there....we're at 46,227. Will we make 50k by draft day? We're gonna have to pick up the pace, but we get the extra day of high volume Saturday....I think we can do it, but I'm not sure that it won't be until after the Skins pick.
I'd pick the Okoye kid, even if he is only 4 years old.

Posted by: Cindy | April 23, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Although I think DBs are very important to Grilliams' system, I think we need an impact DT. Our D-line is our weak point, we have depth (now) at CB, Salave'a and Griffin have been injured too often to be relied upon, Golston is weak against the run, we have no pass rush from our front four (save possibly Carter), and Okoye has the potential to be a monster. We should all ask ourselves, "Who usually has a bigger impact on defenses, a safety or a defensive tackle?" In my opinion, it's DT and the market seems to agree with me (see comparative salaries for top DTs and safeties). So, I think it's pretty clear we need to go with DT (Okoye).

Posted by: Dylan | April 23, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Whats the worst thing that could happen by giving Okoye that kind of money so young?

Posted by: Todd Bridges | April 23, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I agree and would take Lisa Loeb.

I still say best player(s) available after trading out of the first round for three guys in the second and third.

More importantly, assuming that that scenario gets blasted out of the water and the Skins do take Okoye or Landry, who are these fabled other players out there that the Skins FO would chase down to fill the other positions? Does that only happen through trades? If the choice is to draft positional 'need' rather than best defensive player available, then the need (which I see as a really want rather than a need) still looks like it is bigger at DE than it does at either DT or S.

Just re-read Jason's hypothetical --- its where the Skins CANNOT trade down from #6. If that is the case, my choice would be Landry b/c the Skins are deeper at DT than at S. At DT, they have two additional guys just drafted last year, in addition to Golston, who SHOULD be getting ready be realtime players this season -- Montogomery and Manapuna.

I use the initial S for safety without designating free or strong safety. In the Grilliams' D, seems like the position evades the free/strong (or weak/strong) adjective, i.e., just need two safeties ... which is a position the MLB also needs to be able to play.

Skins' draft 'really wants' by position: (1) more cowbell; (2) DE; and (3) DB/DT.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

JLaC comes correct......draft the kid no doubt....I love this dude.

Been away for awhile but want to do my part in the march to 50 K!


Posted by: chris larry | April 23, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Pretty rare these days to see a DT who brings it at a Pro Bowl level for 10 straight years. The nagging-injury risk is much higher at that position. Who is the superstar most like Okoye in playing style? Warren Sapp. Yet even Warren Sapp was only dominant for about 5 years. Defensive tackles are like running backs in that the life-expectancy for domination rarely goes beyond 5 years. Then they wear down and become average.

Safety, on the other hand, is a position where a guy can play at a top level well into his 30's. Rod Woodson. Ronnie Lott. Rodney Harrison. Brian Dawkins. Ed Reed is on his way to that category and if Roy Williams could cover a little better, he would be as well.

To sum up:

1. D-tackle is harder to scout (ever heard of Jonathan Sullivan?), whereas Top-10 safeties pan out more often.

2. D-tackle has a shorter shelf-life, whereas great safeties don't decline until much later.

Landry has a higher upside, a less-risky downside, and is less likely to be injured. Let's go get him.

Posted by: Bob Goulet | April 23, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

#6DoubleEL, if PP is solid, I would recommend seeing a urologist.

Way back when, I was touting DT as our top need this offseason. You can look it up. But now I've got the shakes about actually picking among the available dudes -- and we may be the first or second team to pick any defensive players, meaning we'll almost have the pick of the litter! We gotta get this right.

If we pick D line at #6, I like the allegedly-19-year-old Okoye over any of the D ends.

But I'd be happy with Landry at #6. AMTTS and The Governor have been too convincing, and have never wavered for a moment, and they have never let me down, ever. But if we goof around up there and wind up with anyone aside from Landry or a D lineman, there will be hell to pay.

Likewise, if we trade down, all hell is going to break loose because we'll be able to pick up D line help AND at least one blue-chipper elsewhere (O line? CB? tall WR? safety?) Unlikely, but that would make for a very entertaining Saturday, no?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, the goal of 50K is for as of the END of the draft? Damning us with your lowered expectations? Let's be clear. 50K before Roger Goodell says "with the first pick in the 2007 draft, [insert] chooses [insert]." If you want to talk about the number by the time Mr. Irrelevant gets picked, let's say 55K. mmm-kay?

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Who's going to the party at FedEx on Saturday? Is anybody going? I think it's worth doing once, if only for the chance to explore a lot of the stadium (that's silly, I know, but it is kind of cool), roam around and sit in different seats, etc. And whatever crowd there is will be going nuts when we make our pick(s).

It's moving week for us, so who knows what Saturday will bring. Hopefully Nathan Jr's naptime will give me a chance to catch up with all the draft action. Exciting stuff!

You can't spell Okoye without OK!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Old School at this point. Pick the top talent at the time. But the argument of course is as presented by J-La.

I take Okoye with slight edge over Landry. The kid is 19 so it's entirely possible to bulk him up in the next 2-3 years.
To restate what's been said a gajillion times fat lot of good great safeties do us when Travis Henry is bowling over our d-line for 130 yards. We're not playing too many teams with superstar RBs which would make that kind of yardage even more embarassing.

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

50K is going to be tough, mighty tough. But we can do it!

I'm going to do what I can to rally the overnight shift the next few days. (kost52, Paps in Manila, bangkokben, I'm looking squarely at you dudes.) It will be tough, and my barely lucid ramblings may be difficult reading, but doggone it, I'll do my part.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

And in a bizarre and jointly welcomed announcement, Roger Goodell announces "With the pick of the 2007 draft, the Raiders announce a trade of majority shareholder, Al Davis, for Washington Redskins owner, Daniel Snyder. Washington elects to trade Mr. Davis to Green Bay in exchange for fan-based ownership, two picks in the second round and a third round pick. Green Bay select Calvin Johnson."

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - Not sure we can make the 50k before Goodell's premier on stage. But I'm confident we'll make it no probs by sunset.
The draft is going to garner easily 8 threads from J-La and easily 2400 posts.

I've thrown down the gauntlet BTW since I won't be there to contribute.

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Only the Redskins would invest two top six picks in four years on safeties. And only the Redskins would ignore their d-line in the first and second round for... what? At least ten years now. And all this Gregg Williams doesn't need stud d-linemen for his system is nonsense. The game is won in the trenches. We saw that last year when we couldn't generate any pressure from our front four.

Hopefully Joe can overrule Vinny "I don't believe in drafting defensive linemen" Cerrato ( yes, he actually said that) and take a d-linemen, any d-linemen in the draft. Because I see no reason to believe our d-line is going to improve unless we add some quality players to it. It's just getting older.

Posted by: Andrew | April 23, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, some of them only look like superstar RBs when they play us. Which again is the main argument for a stud DT at #6.

But the reverse argument is that if we have better coverage because of our Incredible D Backfield -- Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Reaper, Landry, oh my! -- then the front seven can mind their gaps and not play on their heels so much.

I wish I were smart enough to tell which of those is more true. In the absence of such smarts, or any scouting shrewdness of my own, I'll be happy with Okoye or Landry at #6.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"I take Okoye with slight edge over Landry. The kid is 19 so it's entirely possible to bulk him up in the next 2-3 years.

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 03:40 PM"

Love that chicken from Popeyes!

Popeyes is the official chicken and chicken-product sponsor of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's an excellent video!

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2817563

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Nate;

That was great, I have seen a urologist and he says I have been drinking too much L2 KOOLAID!!

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 23, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, it's a wedding this weekend, right? We need to get you hooked up with a PDA so you can stay connected. Not only with draft commentary, but also with embedded reportage on any dudes who are obviously cruising the wedding for single ladies.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Sneaky, sneaky, SMACK. That link was not safe for Redskin fans.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Still living in the past, huh SMACK. What are you gonna change your name to when the skins SMACK the S outta the cowgirls TWICE this year??

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 23, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

This

Posted by: Winged Unicorn | April 23, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And I don't live in it, dude. It lives in me.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I know a while back I suggested the best parallel (as far as story arc) to Lando Calrissian would be Smoot, but I have to say, I kind of dig "Lando" as a nickname for LaRon. And it really works when paired with The Reaper.

"Lando & The Reaper are not just a great defensive backfield. From Monday to Saturday they're DC's top crimefighting team."

But again, deference to the AMTTS/Governor bloc for being 'first in' on the Landwagon.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This

Posted by: Winged Unicorn | April 23, 2007 03:51 PM


Um... huh?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I figured the bloggie that you are, you would be aware of the legend of the Winged Unicorn. It's the mythical beast of fantasyland that persuaded TO to take a fistfull of pills. Then I think it flew Old School home from his fantasy Boys/Skins game a while back. He is now summoned whenever one of you Skins fans starts to get a little too dreamy.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You gotta look back one to see that SMACK was responding to a question.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm not sure who I would pick....I'm indecisive by nature. But Carlos Rogers said last season: "We go as the D Line goes...."

Posted by: Lisa | April 23, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid Okoye might be another Kwame Brown. And how can we be so sure he really is 19? Because his Nigerian birth certificate says so? It always worries me when you're drafting for need versus taking the best player available. I say play it safe and take Landry, or drop down a few and take Willis.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 23, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason, How bout for the second father/daughter concert experience you take her up to the 1st Mariner Arena in B'more on June 8th to see Tool. You'd be the awesomest dad on the planet.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | April 23, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I'd say, given the choice, Okoye seems to have the goods. I think the biggest factor is going to be his maturity, and his age. When he's done with his Rookie deal, he'll be the same age as some Seniors.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 23, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

On Erin Peterson, a Westfield High School classmate of Seung Hui Cho, who was killed at the Virginia Tech shootings:

"She was just a super child," William Lloyd, Erin's godfather, told the Washington City Paper. "Her and her dad, man, you couldn't separate them. He lost a child from cancer -- a daughter, 8 years old. A week later, [Erin] was born."

Lloyd said that Erin and her father, Grafton Peterson, did part ways on one thing: pro-football allegiances. "She was a Redskin," he said. "He was a Cowboy."

May God bless them all.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I still want the trade down from #6. Hoping Quinn or Peterson are still on the board that someone like Buffalo or Miami will be looking to move up. Then draft best available DL (probably Anderson or Branch) and then a guard with the extra selection. I am content with our receivers. We know what we will get from Moss and Cooley and should be running the hell out of the ball. Portis geting 20 carries and Betts 10 is our best chance for success.

But if someone is trying to rob us and we have no chance to trade down, I'll go with Okoye.

Posted by: cdubb | April 23, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Skinfanman,
I'm curious about this Nigerian/birth certificate/age thing. Is Okoye still trying to pitch in Little League? Does he look like Greg Oden? You have to assume NFL teams have poked and prodded. How old do you think he could be?

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I like the Landry idea, but having two young safeties in the secondary scares me. Especially when LaRon's only knock is somewhat suspect coverage.

I gotta say go D-line. I want a DE first, but I'd take Okoye between Okoye and Landry.

Sorry AMTTS and Gov... because I've got some great LaRon t-shirt ideas.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | April 23, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Paquerelli says DTs don't work out... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2844964

Not saying i necessarily agree, but the numbers don't look good, and if it's hard for other teams to pick them, do we want Vinny picking one?Just wondering...

Posted by: Vinny | April 23, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

This is the Reaper's fourth season. He should be entering his prime... time to stop thinking about him as a young pup and expect him to fully blossom into the all-around playmaker we know he can be.

Lando can assume the mantle of the young wild thing back there.

In the role of the wise older gent to call the plays, offer sage advice, make sure cool heads prevail, and generally keep it all together... London School of Economics.

(The linebackers are allowed to talk to the safeties, right?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

How is it drafting by need when there is speculation that teams in the 7-10 range would draft Okoye? Are they drafting by need, too?

Even the best cover guys have problems when the QB has all day to throw. Upgrading the interior line improves the ends, improves the linebackers, and improves the defensive backfield. It begins and ends with the line.

Okoye
Okoye
Okoye

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 23, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

And skinfanman, let's not damn Okoye with the Kwame Brown label. Okoye played a full career of D-1 college football, albeit in a middling conference, and suspicions about his age are unproven.

Whatever he may be, he's not Kwame Brown walking in from high school... and he sure as heck won't be carrying the tremendous pressure of being picked #1 overall. (We can keep a camera trained on Mario Williams to see how that kind of pressure affects a D lineman.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

play makers get a (Some) play makers. I think we are in good shape barring going completely off the board and selecting " with the 6th pick in round one redskins select tom smith punter trinity."

so trade up, trade down, stay all can be good because outside of the trade up for CJ, all other options involve selecting defensive players where we have needs everywhere, and the draft appears to full of good defenders.

It seems this year expectations are modest for most of these guys outside of a few names at the top, maybe this is year of really deep draft of good players who make solid pros.

each year there teams who look back and say, we got alot out of that draft. I want this year to be that year for us.

Posted by: Old School | April 23, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Gonna be tough to keep that camera trained on Mario. I think he believes his last name should be Andretti.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Not sure where the Okoye/Brown comparison comes from? This kid, Okoye, went to college at the age of 16, and from all that I've read, he was also accepted into Harvard University, so thats just a little out there to compare the two.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 23, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

GET BACK TO WORK

Posted by: Nate in the PDX's Boss | April 23, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Smack - What, no Romo video? Guess it have to be done to the tune Slip Sliding Away - Paul Simon.

Okoye or trade down.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the team is in quasi-rebuilding mode so I go with the build from the line of scrimage out theory. But given the risk of DT's as high picks and the fact that the salaries of high picks are usually higher than the player is worth, I am hoping they trade the pick.

Posted by: beat cal | April 23, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sell the pick for high-definition jumbo-trons and better chefs!

How about a nice bus lane so those of us not privileged with a parking pass can get to our car :)

Seriously, everything is up in the air this week. I'd love to see Calvin Johnson or Landry. I just don't think a DT will do it for this team. Don't forget the big passes we gave up!!! And the ones that were dropped by T.O. worried about Taylor. I'd love to see Taylor and Landry lighting people up. No receiver would want to catch the ball.

LANDRY all the way!

Posted by: JoeyV | April 23, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

DTs are invloved in contact every play of the defense, unlike the safety position. A Safety is only allowed to be great if they can take some risks on the ball. That only works if your defensive front is exerting enough pressure to force the QB into bad decisions. Okoye is big, young and smart and could "reaping" big rewards for our secondary. I don't buy the argument that DTs don't last long. Sapp recorded 10 sacks last year (his 13th season) and has been looking like an out of shape pig for years.

Besides I believe Okoye has an Uncle who was the Finance Minister in Nigeria and has stockpiled of $40MM USD in a Swiss Bank but needs a Businessman/woman from this country to make the withdrawals without raising a red flag back at home. Maybe he would be willing to give his American parter a 25% fee? Maybe Danny could do both and end up making money by signing him? Just a thought.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 23, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

gotta take DL, doesn't matter how good a secondary is if there's no pressure created up front. Double G compensated for that pretty well in '04 but his "genius" has been exposed by a team that can't get to the QB the past 2 years.

If the football gods actually decide to smile upon us on Saturday, they'll trade down, take Carriker or another DL later in the 1st, then add depth at DB, LB, or OL with a 2nd rounder.

Posted by: Trade Down | April 23, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

skinswest,
I'll be linking you to the Romo video in 10 years, keep your pants on.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

(The linebackers are allowed to talk to the safeties, right?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 04:15 PM


I think the policy is that the corners and safeties can not talk to each other. LB's are ok to do whatever.

Posted by: cdubb | April 23, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Whats the worst thing that could happen by giving Okoye that kind of money so young?"

Posted by: Todd Bridges | April 23, 2007 03:25 PM

He could pull a "Heath Shuler." Quit after a few years, take his signing bonus and buy a car dealership or two...the next thing you know, he's a congressman.

Posted by: Skinz | April 23, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Rebuilding mode!!! I don't think so. If we were in rebuilding, we would be looking to dump Portis and Cooley, the two pieces that could likely get us the most (We don't dump taylor no matter what!!) No rebuilding, I expect this team to make the playoff next year. Saw signs of success toward the tail end of the year and the Betts Portis combo will be AWESOME! We just need our QB to step up.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 23, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There are many people that think the DLine is the biggest need. I would be happy with any of the DLine candidates. But I think Landry gets the edge and my opinion comes from the thinking of some people whose opinion actually counts: Gibbs, Williams, Snyder, et al. We all know that Gibbs favors free agency over drafting. That is pretty apparent in the fact that Gibbs gave most of our good picks away last year. We also know that Snyder loves shopping for free agents. That being said, nobody even hinted at fixing the DLine in free agency. After all the film hours and all the public embarrassment of 2006, the team made several changes to the back seven, but not the front four. They even tried to trade the #6 pick on LB Briggs but not a DLineman. That tells me that the coaching staff and front office is completely happy with the DLine. If Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams don't think the DLine is a need, why should I dispute them? The pick will be either Landry or Willis. Maybe even Calvin Johnson if they get the right deal. Not DLine.

Posted by: midniterc | April 23, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

My dream scenario for the draft would be: Quinn is still on the board at 6 and the vikings know we are talking to the fins so they give us a 2 to move up one slot. We take Landry at 7 and address de in 2nd rd. What do u think?

Posted by: Brut | April 23, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

without a strong D-line, the safeties will not be able to take advantage of the receivers if the QB gets no pressure. JLC said it on washington Post live last week kids. even archuleta would've had a few snags if we could f-ing sack someone!

Posted by: burg | April 23, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

midniterc - Good points. I'm with you! One major reason we were after linebackers is because ours could not get off blocks last year and fill the gaps to stop the run. That was a key observation made by Ken Harvey last year and look what happens, we get Fletcher and try to get Briggs. Coincidence, I think not.

Posted by: JoeyV | April 23, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I cannot help but respond to Jason's comments regarding our not having study DL since Mann / Manley

Here we go:

1981 NFL Draft
Rd #5 Dexter Manley DE Oklahoma St

1983 NFL Draft
Rd 3 #84 Charles Mann DE Nevada

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 23, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The LB's couldn't fill the gaps because our D-Linemen were getting manhandled and seemed to play 75% of the game on their a$$. The LB's had to shed MULTIPLE blockers.

Posted by: Chris | April 23, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

We NEED a second round pick, and I say the Skins need to make the move for Sargent, Deagan, or Mayland.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Look for DLine later in the draft. Use #6 on Landry

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Just Nate in the PDX repping it to the death like the ACE Hardware Store in Glover Park. Guys, I could go on for days about the strengths and weaknesses of Okoye. But here is what I will drop. Compare Okoye to Mario Williams last year. Who would you pick right now? Williams. Almost any scout worth his salt would have Williams ranked ahead of Okoye. And Williams got pushed around all year. Keneche Udeze from 2004 was the super tightness in the draft. It's been a couple of years and he's been solid but not spectacular, and he's battled injuries. The problem is people will expect Okoye to be like Tommie Harris in year one, which is just a complete falsehood. Tommie Harris was so dominant at Oklahomma, he would get doubled and tripled and still be in the other teams's huddle. That was a man when he came out...he was a man ready to play on Sunday. Okoye is a boy. I think he will be tight in two years, but still not on par with the Tommie Harrises and Mario Williamses of the world. He will be pushed around in year one. Year two, you will see some action. Year three, he probably comes into his own. But, still not elite, in my humblest of opinions.

Landry will be a year one impact player with four years in the toughest division in football under his belt the moment he steps on the field. He is the top defensive prospect on most draft boards. Just because he is a big safety that hits and covers doesn't make him a style-over-substance pick. It makes him a bonafide NFL player with a very high ceiling. And he can help us right now and get better over time, whereas I think Okoye will not have the same impact in year one. He could be more Rocky McIntosh than Cornelius Griffin is what I'm saying. I can just see the "Okoye Still Learning" during Game 11 of the season when the fans are up in arms over why he doesn't play.

Look, if we get Okoye, I'll be okay because he fills a big need, but he will be a project, no doubt in my mind. When I hear Okoye's name, I see "Great prospect, big project." Playing Dtackle against Rutgers twice a year ain't Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas...But I think you go with Landry because he is an elite prospect, with a high ceiling that starts in year one. He is a special, proven player.

Posted by: The Governor | April 23, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Linebackers are supposed to shed blockers ours engaged and never released. Don't get me wrong DL sucks too, but there is a reason Gibbs and company went after linebackers this offseason while most of us were like, why!?!? Our coaches have decades of experience, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. Clearly we are hurting at LB for them to make the moves they did.

It wasn't about making a dramatic splash.

Posted by: JoeyV | April 23, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I just want a good player. I'm like the guy getting ready to have a child and everyone asks, "do you want a boy or a girl?" My response is, "I just want a happy, healthy baby"

I would be good with either "the kid" or "L2" or some sort of trade down involving extra picks and a good d-lineman in the first.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 23, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"But I think Landry gets the edge and my opinion comes from the thinking of some people whose opinion actually counts: Gibbs, Williams, Snyder, et al."

Given the track record the last few years, this is supposed to be reassuring?

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 23, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Echo the Governor. Skins need a player who is ready to contribute now. Landry at #6

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Governor, I see your point, but of all the positions on the field, shouldn't DT be one of the easiest to learn? ... stay low, put your hands in the right place, keep moving your feet, gobble down like a beast, and work out alot?

If it was Ryan Clark's job to tell Sean Taylor what comes next, shouldn't the Grilliams' other safety require considerably more learnin?

[p.s. My hyperlink didn't work, but Sargent, Deagan, and Mayland are all different types of musical cowbells.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

MORE COWBELL

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Nice try dcsween, but jokes don't work when you have to explain them afterwards. =)
Respect!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Jon, it wasn't even a joke when the hyperlink didn't work. [And this isn't really a necessary post, but I'm doing all I can toward 50K by draft day!]

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Are any of our posts truly necessary? (1 closer to the mountain top!)

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

How in the world the coaches could be happy with this D-Line is beyond my simple comprehension. There isn't a D-line player that the Redskins currently have that would start for anyone else. Skins, please wake up and look at reality and pick ALL D-Lineman with any trade scenario you can think ok. Trade #6, pick up lower round picks and use them wisely on D-LINE!! You need that more than anything else. Forget about Landry and Johnson.

Posted by: nervous | April 23, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

A woman is at a funeral for her own mother. There she meets a man she does not know, she is immediately attracted to him and throughout the day they spend time talking and laughing together. She falls desperately in love with the man. She knows in her heart that this is the man she is meant to spend the rest of her life with. She gets up to go to the bathroom and when she returns the man is gone and she has not even gotten his phone number.

Two days later she murders her sister.

QUESTION: What was the motive for the murder

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton on Amobi Okoye, "I'm having trouble putting him in the top 10, even though clearly he is a top 10 talent."

Mr. Burns sees the Skins going with Landry.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 23, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

From pft just recently about a rumor that the Broncos want CJ ... includes the details of their offer to the Lions ... "Per the rumor and based on what we've heard, the Broncos have offered their first-round, second-round, and third-round pick in the 2007 draft and their first-rounder in 2008 for the No. 2 spot." The Lions' hesitation? "The Lions, we're told, are concerned that the No. 21 overall spot would put them too low to land one of the players whom they covet. The Lions' goal in trading down is/has been to get more picks, and to still get one of the players they want, but at a lower salary slot."

The solution: Skins swap with Lions' on their new first round position ... and take some of those spare first day picks.

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION: What was the motive for the murder


Insurance fraud

Posted by: dub | April 23, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

It was not insurance fraud

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The Governor reminded me of the "sudden impact" mandate for #6 overall pick.

Of course the #6 is always burdened with high expectations, but those will be magnified by the fact that we're entering Gibbs 2.4, and nobody really knows if we'll see G2.5.

The pressure is on to fix the D right now, keep the O rolling, and win one for the Gibber.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I went to see 'Blades of Glory' a few weeks back -- gloriously stupid fun -- and saw a trailer for a movie where three National Guardsmen or reservists think they're en route to Iraq but, get this!, they are airdropped into Mexico! And crazy hijinks ensue. I saw that and thought, yeah, it's too soon for that movie, when we just called up a bunch of part-timers to go back to Iraq.

Not to be a party pooper, but methinks it's too soon for a brain-teaser about murder motives.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

jealousy

Posted by: dub | April 23, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll be linking you to the Romo video in 10 years, keep your pants on.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 04:34 PM

A "Whatever Happened To Them?" segment for sure. Or so we hope.

JJ's been pretty quiet of late - any rumors as to what they're planning for this weekend?

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of pressure on Gibbs right now, I think that redskins.com should have a link to the Gibbs' presser at 4pm (presumably featuring at least one question from JaLC and one use of the term "guts out" and/or "super smart").

Motive for the murder is that, when the lady got up to go to the bathroom, her sister in the next stall didn't have "a square to spare".

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If Mr. Wonderful showed up at Mom's funeral, he'll probably show up at Sis'. Then she can shtup him.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually thats where the question came from.

The motive was the hope that the man would come to the sister's funeral.

That is a question that is often asked at psychiatric evaluations with the theory being that it would take someone with a "warped mind" to actually come up with the right answer.

The question was asked to many of the serial killers currently in prison and on death row and all got the answer right.

These are the kinds of things that should be looked at when applying to cllege. SATs and ACTs are great but I think a subtle mental health evaluation should also be don to identify potential problems.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

It was her twin sister, and he left with her.

Posted by: T | April 23, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

yes, jealousy ... the sister was her twin ... [and a twin always has a hate/hate relationship with the other twin, esp. when love is on the line ... plus, mom won't be too upset anymore.]

stupid response? 50k by draft day, here we come!

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to the cowboys fan to get it right...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm leaning toward Landry and pick up a wide body or two by trade or after June1.

Posted by: Mad Dog | April 23, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to the cowboys fan to get it right...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 05:41 PM

I think a subtle mental health evaluation should also be don to identify potential problems.

Posted by: | April 23, 2007 05:40 PM

And blogs apparently - LMAO

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I've neglected my duty in the march towards 50k today. Sincerest blogapologies.

Coolest thing EVER yesterday. Well, for the dads up here anyway. We gave the baby her very first taste of solid food. The expression of her face was priceless.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 23, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Once you find out the answer it seems really obvious. But when you first hear the question, I never even thought of that.

I guess that's good

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

In the quest for 50k by the time Goodell takes the stage, there's no such thing as a stupid post.

Posted by: Cindy | April 23, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If even a portion of the rumored trades occur, the first round is likely to take forever giving plenty of time to hit 50K.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Even stupid posts about other stupid posts are appropriate.

And this one, which is a stupid post about a stupid post about a stupid post.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Okoye, we need line help to keep O-Lineman off our linebackers. I'm not saying I don't like Landry, or think he'll be a bust, I just think he may be a little too much like the Reaper, big hits but not great in coverage. Look at all his highlights, the majority of them are blitzes and big hits. If we're to pair him up with Taylor, I would like to see more picks. If we're staying at #6, I'm for Okoye over Landry.

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 4-12 | April 23, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 4-12 | April 23, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

You know what I'd love? A virtual blog reunion this week.

All of you out there who are lurking and have never posted, come on in!

All of you veteran commenters who have stopped hitting the 'submit' button, come on back!

What better way to celebrate 50k than by seeing all the great names that have contributed so much to that total, and to our enjoyment of this terrific blog? That's what the march to 50k is about anyway, it's a dumb but wonderful celebration of this terrific blog.

HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

You know, we have not yet overblogged the choice of what happens if the Skins CAN trade down, esp. if someone like Adrian Peterson or Brady Quinn fall that far. The Browns can only take one of those guys. The Bills, Packers, and Titans all need a feature RB and want to avoid the sloppy seconds at Marshawn Lynch (about whom the latest RUMINT is that his draft stock was not hit so much by the police record, but a congenital disk malformation). Minnesota/Miami need a QB and want to keep the other away.

If the Skins DO trade down ... and the choice on the board is between Jamaal Anderson (and his associated risk of boom/bust based on his declaration of eligibility after a single, albiet outstanding junior year) and the bigger, multi-purpose Adam Carriker.

If the choice is of those two DEs is there, who you choose? [Or do you decide not to choose a DE and instead go for Branch/Harrell at DT or one of the CBs within range (Hall/Revis) or the next safety, Reggie Nelson?]

Posted by: dcsween | April 23, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Alexander | April 23, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyway we can count that last post as individual posts?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

CL great to see back in the house.

Smack I am reaching under the desk. Picking up two hammers. Double smack to the back of your damn head. Don't be bring no Cowgirl video up in here. lol

Posted by: jm220 | April 23, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Almost time to slide down the dinosaur!

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | April 23, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget guys, 2004 our Defense ranked #3 overall, it's not a coincidence that it was the year Griffin had a Pro-Bowl caliber season, and Salave'a played healthy in 15 games. It all starts in the trenches.

Although I think we'll end up trading with Miami for the available Brady Quinn, and Taking Jamaal Anderson!!

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Noble Eightfold Path is, in the teachings of the Buddha, declared to be the way that leads to the end of dukkha, or suffering. Essentially a practical guide of bringing about ethical and meditative discipline, the Noble Eightfold Path forms the fourth part of the Four Noble Truths, which have informed and driven much of the Buddhist tradition.

As the name indicates, there are eight elements in the Noble Eightfold Path, and these are divided into three basic categories as follows:

* Wisdom (Sanskrit: prajñā, Pāli: paññā)

1. Right view
2. Right intention

* Ethical conduct (Sanskrit: śīla, Pāli: sīla)

3. Right speech
4. Right action
5. Right livelihood

* Mental discipline (Sanskrit and Pāli: samādhi)

6. Right effort
7. Right mindfulness
8. Right concentration

In all of the elements of the Noble Eightfold Path, the word "right" is a translation of the word samyañc (Sanskrit) or sammā (Pāli), which denotes completion, togetherness, and coherence, and which can also carry the sense of "perfect" or "ideal".

Though the path is numbered one through eight, it is generally not considered to be a series of linear steps through which one must progress; rather, as the Buddhist monk and scholar Walpola Rahula points out, the eight elements of the Noble Eightfold Path "are to be developed more or less simultaneously, as far as possible according to the capacity of each individual. They are all linked together and each helps the cultivation of the others".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

"feeling the flow...workin it....workin it"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

If pressure makes the secondary better, why can't a better secondary lead to more pressure?

The Grilliams' system is based on a solid/deep secondary,

Pick Landry.

Posted by: tk | April 23, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

sween, interesting to consider if we trade down and Okoye and Adams are off the board... Carriker looks like the pick. Don't get me wrong, I loved that story about Anderson on espn.com last week. Looks like a fantastic kid. But Carriker seems like the blue-chip bookend across from Carter... I think.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

It all starts up front - especially in the NFC East - Okoye - or trade down and take Anderson, Branch, or Carriker. Have to admit Willis sounds pretty good too particularly if he can play OLB until LFB is done at MLB.

Posted by: skinswest | April 23, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

late to the debate, but we need DL help. If Gaines some how does not fall into our laps we need another stud for our DL. Landry is nice, but who in the heck needs 2 pro bowl calliber Safeties. The skins blitz so much because their line is so weak and provides nothing in the pass rush department. I say our team has been weak, our management has been weak, so lets take this year with 2 lone draft choices, deal with our situation and just grin and bear it. We are the laughing stock of the league now. No need to pretend that we are something we are not. It is time to be patient and build. you have a 3rd year QB approaching his 1st year starting, a defense that was bottom 10. To be 8-8 should be the goal for next year.

Posted by: RobGreg | April 23, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

And unless we go nuts with veteran cuts, aside from one or two surgical removals for cap purposes, I am hoping that any DE or DT we pick will be part of a regular rotation, so he won't have to bear the burden himself.

We have older dudes who are still capable (I'm looking at you, Corny, P.Danny, Big Joe), they just can't take care of business every snap, every game. We need the cavalry to arrive, a dude or dudes like Golston who come right in with fire in their fat bellies.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I cannot understand why there are so many Cowboy fans living in this area who never lived in Texas or have never been to Texas Stadium. Will someone please enlighten me?

Posted by: Throwback | April 23, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Do we really want a rookie (Landry) telling the Reaper where to line up?

Posted by: go okoye | April 23, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If we trade down, we should be able to get Dee-Dee, Moe, and Rooney for the #6.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 23, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

19 sacks! And the fact that ole man Sapp got 10 all by himself in Oakland well geez come on!

D-line!

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - shame on you! makin' me click on a cowpaddies video! BOO!

On the other hand well played sir!

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

jm - you still around? I was hoping to talk "off line" about NOLA. Can I get an email address?

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - please no boiled bunnies I just want to talk to jm about NOLA I swear. : )

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I have jm220's e-mail (assuming he wouldn't mind my passing it on) if you wanna ping me at nateinthepdx at gmail

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

OKOYE, LANDRY.... WE NEED

GAINES ADAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: G UNIT | April 23, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Throwback, I could be wrong but I think a lot of DC Cowboys fans became Boys fans simply because they hate the Skins. Maybe some family member was a fanatical Skins fan or something and it drove them away.

Posted by: Lisa | April 23, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The ridiculous quest for 50k

ok personally i think this is getting out of hand. I am a long time reader and have long enjoyed all of the insights and opinions about the redskins found on this blog and have who recently started posting some of my own.

But this quest for 50k is really getting out of hand. Every other post is one about posting a random nothingness just to add to the total or how stupid the last stupid post about the stupid nothingness post was.

Seriously I ask you all doesn't that just cheapen the achievement?
Is 50k posts with the majority of them about 50k really as noteworthy as say 48k posts that are all inciteful and contribute toward meaningful discussion about the skins?

Personally I would rather see 48k posts and be proud of them all and the achievment of getting to that number than knowing that we got to 50k posts and 2k of them were just random ones like this:

Even stupid posts about other stupid posts are appropriate.

And this one, which is a stupid post about a stupid post about a stupid post.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 06:02 PM

Posted by: dante | April 23, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

not meaning to pick on you, nate in the above post it was just an example... i truly enjoy reading your posts on the skins

Posted by: dante | April 23, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper on Landry - "The question is misjudging passes, and that happened to him throughout his career," Kiper said. "A true center fielder has to judge the fly ball; a safety has to do the same thing. He would be in position to bat down or intercept a pass, and he would miss it. It's the only concern on whether he'll be spectacular.
"He should be a Pro Bowl-caliber player. He'll be better than Roy Williams, no question, but his ball skills downfield are not necessarily what you would want them to be."

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Scorched by that little foray into the Inferno. Yeowch. It's all in good fun, I hope everyone gets that. And it's a welcome bit of silliness after so much sturm und drang about this silly draft.

Bad news for coked-up hamsters, especially those in the, ahem, Bay Area...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/23/drugs.coastguard.reut/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 23, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

20 tons, damn thats a lot of candy.

Let me be the first to say F 8-8. I am tired of having a team that is basically always .500 or worse. With having to deal with Brunell and a horrendous secondary last year and still were able to win 5 games. 10-6 and back in the playoffs with the wild card.

Posted by: cdubb | April 23, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

What exactly do you do with 20 tons of confiscated cocaine? Michael Irvin has some suggestions I'm sure. . . . just trying to make it fubol related.

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: LaRon Landry | April 23, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

My responses to (a) staying at #6 or (b) moving down to #9 or #12 spots -

(a) "Lando" Landry - Yes

(b) Jamaal "Mr." Anderson - Yes

(b) "Orca" Okoye - Yes

(a,b) Calvin Johnson - No

(a,b) Gaines Adams - No No No!

Mostly, I am trying to be mindful. If I am also insightful, so much the better. I try to avoid being inciteful. All that drama is so unnecessary, after all. : )

Posted by: The Mole | April 23, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

sfskin you can get my e mail address from JLC, Nate, or Cyn Cyty. (been waiting for Lisa to e mail me lol)

Off topic. If you don't have the Wii you need to go and get it. Damn I am tired after 6 boxing matches on this game. lol

Posted by: jm220 | April 23, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

How come no one wants to talk about how PIMP our offense would be with the addition of Calvin Johnson? I know we would blow our load on draft picks for the next 2 years, but seriously, this guy is the most spectacular WR to come out in quite some time.

I would be just as happy if we ended up with Okoye as anyone....

But for the record, I am still on the L-Dub bandwagon.

Posted by: Big Murf | April 23, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

We need to go DL. I would prefer to trade down and pick up Anderson, but if not the pick has to be Okoye. The only success the Redskins have had has been when they controlled the lines of scrimmage. Good teams can:

1. Run the ball
2. Stop the run
3. Protect their passer
4. Rush the opposing passer

We have invested so little in the DL over the last 15 years (was Bobby Wilson (1991) the last DL we picked in the first round?). Landry may well turn out to be better than Okoye in the long run, but we are an absolute joke at the line of scrimmage defensively. We're not able to stop the run, not able to pressure the passer. Let's quit pretending that elite D Linemen are available after the June 1 cuts. Who was the last elite D Lineman who moved in free agency in his prime? Reggie White about 10 years ago?

"Good big people beat good little people"--Ken Beatrice

Posted by: AZ Skins Fan | April 23, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

jm- thanks I emailed Nate so I'll be in touch.

I have the Wii - it totally rocks! Who knew I'd love to play golf?!?

Once again 19 SACKS people. DubL can run around the field like the Flash all the live long day but if our front line ain't even gettin a whiff of the QBs Old Spice whoopdee effin doo!

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

jm220, you've never given me your email address so I can't email you :( I asked Jason for it once so I could get your workout advice but he totally dissed me.

Posted by: Lisa | April 23, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

LMAO! Yeah that sounds like JLC. (you know I got nothing but love for but remember NOLA) Lisa just hit Nate up for it.

Posted by: jm220 | April 23, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

JM,

Thanks for noticing!

Did you miss me

F Pasquerrli!

Posted by: chris larry | April 23, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

In 2004 the Redskins had the #3 defense in the NFL. Who led the team in sacks?

Posted by: midniterc | April 23, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Who led the great 2004 team in sacks?

It was a tie: Cornelius Griffin and SHAWN SPRINGS with 6 each. The back seven do the work.

Posted by: midniterc | April 23, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

No doubt brother. The only thing I wouldn't like is for us to move up and take WR.

Posted by: jm220 | April 23, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't have to do all the work with a better front 4. 6 sacks isn't many for a year and it is poor that a CB leads a team in sacks. It would be ideal to have a player that is a threat for 10-15 sacks every year.

Posted by: Mike | April 23, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey AZ Skins fan,
No Bobby Wilson was not the last DL we drafted in round one. I distinctly recall CC drafting Kenard Lang. He started, and showed flashes but never played up to being drafted in RD #1. As for the year, it was a few years after the Heath Shuler fiasco, but Norv really wanted him...!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 23, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

i rather have the skins FO pull minnesota of '04/05 and not pick until the second round. i really really don't want them picking at 6. cuz if they pick at six it'll surely be carlos rogers type...and i'll just shoot myself...

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Posted by: Johnny | April 23, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I do not like SMACK...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Ripped from the headlines...or heard it on TV somewhere ...It seems that the best chance for a trade down might be to Miami. If they are unable to trade for Green then they are possibly looking to trade up to #6 and grab Quinn. So if you want the Skins to trade down - hope that the Chiefs and Fins don't make a deal with Trent.
If no trade I like DT help and Okoye.

Posted by: RBD202 | April 23, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Good line play, frees up the back 7 to be creative. If they can apply even the slightest amount of pressure on the opposing QB, it means there is less pressure on the DB's (keeping coverages for 3-4 secs is much easier than 5-6 secs), which then allows Grilliams to blitz backers, and/or DB's. Meaning the offense then has to keep TE's and RB's to help pass protect. If the line struggles, and the QB has all the time in the world to throw the ball, Grilliams has to use his backers in coverage. DB's can't keep offensive lineman off our linebackers. Saftey is a need, not a NEED. D-Line is a NEED!

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

If LL can make the sort of impact that the Reaper has made then lets take him. I agree with the much earlier post that said it's easier to judge how good a Safety will be than it is to judge how good a DT will be. And a Safety can play for longer in this league than a DT. Let someone else take the risk on a DT. I'd rather fill the DT spot with a proven veteran player and take LL who can't miss.

The point is, we need to make the 6 pick count. Take LL. Okoye may be better in the long run but LL won't be a bust. Okoye may be.

Posted by: Guestimate | April 23, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I cannot understand why there are so many Cowboy fans living in this area who never lived in Texas or have never been to Texas Stadium. Will someone please enlighten me?

Posted by: Throwback | April 23, 2007 06:39 PM

My buddy and I have a theory that locals who like the Cowboys grew up disliking their fathers. They became Dallas fans because it provided them a means to openly express their hatred for daddy through their outward hostility toward the hometown team.

On the topic of the thread - go with the best player available. At six, that's going to be Landry.

Posted by: LH | April 23, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Kost52, it really works both ways though. I don't think it was the defensive line's inability to pressure the QB last season that led the Redskins secondary to get beaten so thoroughly and frequently last season. Maybe a better DL could've helped, but that secondary STANK. It looks like they'll have better personnel next season, but so much so that we can call it a strength? I'm not certain.

Their line certainly seems like it's more problematic right now, and if the Redskins organization rates Landry and Okoye fairly similarly on their draft board, then surely they should pick Okoye (if they can't trade down). But if they rank Landry significantly enough higher then why shouldn't they pick him? It's not like their secondary couldn't use some improvement. And surely a better secondary would help take some pressure off of the front-seven so they can focus on stuffing the run, rushing the passer, keeping O-Linemen off the linebackers, etc.

I don't buy the argument that the Redskins picked Taylor and Rogers high recently so it's harder to justify Landry. That doesn't make sense. You judge your team in the here and now, and make your draft picks based on who's the best player available and what your team needs the most. That very well might mean Okoye, but it certainly doesn't rule out Landry either.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | April 23, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how everyone has jumped onto the Landry bandwagon of late. When I suggested Landry two months back, I think I got one supporting comment....

Anyway, I know our need at DL is greater than safety. But at the 6th pick, you want more of a sure thing instead of a "potential". There is no certain DL in this draft, while Landry is much more of a certainty.

I'd rather take Landry and find a couple large "space eaters" later in the draft or through FA, instead of the other way around.

Posted by: palladia | April 23, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

You know Miami has made some outstandingly stupid QB signings since Marino retired maybe we could con them into Brunell or Collins.

Posted by: sfskin | April 23, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Johnnie Futbol -

I'm not totally adverse to us selecting Landry at #6, I agree with you that the secondary does need still need help. I think there are plenty of worse picks the Skins could make. I just think that if we don't put a D-Lineman on the field who can draw double teams, then our opponents are frequently going to get a lineman into the second level, to disrupt our linebacker play. And L'il London isn't going to cope well with that!

Posted by: kost52 | April 23, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Okoye based solely on the fact I think our DL is worse than the secondary. Here is my reasoning, hate on it if you like. The CB's should be 100 times better this year. We have Springs, Smoot and Rogers. If one goes down, I'd trust Macklin for a game or 2. We had Mike Speedbumph and Kenny Wright last year. 2 of the worst CB's in the league in my opinion. Reaper has not even come close to being the player I think most of us think he can be. Prioleau and Stoutmire are nothing special but serviceable.

At DE it all depends on Carter. If he plays like he did the last month of 2006 we should be ok. I don't trust Wynn and Daniels to stay healthy all season. Then we got Demetric Evans and not much else. At DT we are old and often injured. If we could get 12 games from Griffin and Salevea it would be lucky. We have a couple younger guys, Golston looks promising jury is out on Montgomery and then there is filler like Boschetti. If we have a chance to draft a 19 year old kid who has the potential to stiffen up the run D and maybe give a pass rush from the inside is something we never have.

I won't be pi*sed if we take Landry but think the pick is better spent on the DL.

Posted by: cdubb | April 23, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Help

I think I may have committed to going somewhere to watch the draft with a friend of mine next Saturday. Since I now believe that Mel Kiper and his draft day board are the root of all evil and a drain on economic productivity, higher culture, and civilized discourse amongst mankind (PC alert), how do I gracefully bow out of this?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | April 23, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

palladia wrote: "It's interesting how everyone has jumped onto the Landry bandwagon of late. When I suggested Landry two months back, I think I got one supporting comment...."

Without a playoff system college football sucks so I don't watch it. My knowledge of the players on the draft board are limited only to what i hear from places like here.

I enjoy speculating what the Redskins should do, but really I don't know jack s&*t. My sense is the Redskins have seen hours of tape of both Landry and Okoye, seen both at scouting combines/pro days, had conversations with the two, and have done all the other investigative crap they do (talk to old coaches, family members, friends, etc). Makes me realize just how pathetically little I know for someone who has an "opinion" on who they should draft.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | April 23, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I don't really care too much if or when this blog hits 50K but no way thats gonna happen before the draft starts.

Posted by: cdubb | April 23, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

jm220

NO - yes
Plan for this - none whatsoever

Way too much shti up on the air right now to think past tomorrow, let alonne two months from now; I'll hopefully be back in touch early to mid May.

Posted by: EaglesFan | April 23, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Without a playoff system college football sucks so I don't watch it. My knowledge of the players on the draft board are limited only to what i hear from places like here.

I enjoy speculating what the Redskins should do, but really I don't know jack s&*t. My sense is the Redskins have seen hours of tape of both Landry and Okoye, seen both at scouting combines/pro days, had conversations with the two, and have done all the other investigative crap they do (talk to old coaches, family members, friends, etc). Makes me realize just how pathetically little I know for someone who has an "opinion" on who they should draft.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | April 23, 2007 10:55 PM


Exactly the way I feel mate, couldn't have put it better myself.

I love this place, somewhere to talk about my skins!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

kost52, for what it's worth i'd love to see the Redskins draft Okoye. They need help bad at defensive line, and I believe they'll only pick him if they really see a lot in him.

I just hope they pick him because he "looks like he is going to be an impact player for a long time.. he has the body and he has the heart and he has the head" as JLC wrote, rather than being motivated more by their holes on the DL.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | April 23, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I do not like SMACK...

Posted by: | April 23, 2007 09:04 PM

Aww, anonymous, i beg you to reconsider. I am lemony fresh and I exfoliate.

Any chance you might be able to scare up a moniker? I don't think cowardly weasel is taken.

Posted by: SMACK | April 23, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

hahaha @ SMACK

Nice work!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray, Good call, Kenard Lang was drafted in 1997--the list below is depressing to say the least.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/teams/WAS

Posted by: AZ Skins Fan | April 24, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Can somebody explain the fascination with Landry to me? I agree that he's a talent, but he's not the "OhmiGod, No way we can pass this guy up" player is he? There's only one guy in this draft who can be defined that way and that's Calvin Johnson. So, if we're not getting Calvin Johnson (the hands down, no doubt about it, best prospect in the draft) let's go and get a guy who helps us in a position where we need help.

From Jason's artcile today:

"Taking another safety that high is a luxury I am not sure they can afford."

Posted by: AZ Skins Fan | April 24, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Nate and sween, you are debating the scenario I have been wondering about for weeks: Miami offers a late second rounder and #9 for #6, Redskins come up at #9 with choice of Anderson, Carriker and Branch. And what to do with that #60 pick?

Allow me to answer in multiple posts.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

What not to do at #9 (Part I):

Do not take Alan Branch. I think Branch is more of a project than many on this board. Yes, he is big for college, but most of the scouting reports I've read say he's not ready to start, and won't be for some time. Add to that possible stress fractures (which could just be floated by some team at say, #20 trying to dicount Branch's value). Risking #9 money on a likely benchwarmer who's too big to play kickoffs and may be chronically injured is a bad idea.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray got me thinking about how we haven't picked a DLineman since Kenard Lang. So I went back and looked at all the recent Super Bowl teams and how many 1st round picks they've spent on DLineman since the infamous Kenard Lang pick. Guess what, every one of them has spent at least 1 first rounder on a DLineman since 1997.

Philly 5
St Louis 4
NE 3
Tennessee 3
Bmore 3
Chicago 2
Carolina 2
NYG 2
Seattle 2
Oakland 2
Indy 1
Atl 1
Tampa 1
Denver 1
Pittsburgh 1

This game has always been about winning the 18 inches on either side of the line of scrimmage. If your guys can push their guys back those 18 inches you win; if their guys can push your guys back those 18 inches they win. We've been losing this battle for 15 years, maybe it has something to do with who/what we've been drafting.

Come on Skins FO, pull your head out and draft the big guy who can run, hit and win those 18 inches.


Posted by: AZ Skins Fan | April 24, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Nate, your "barely lucid ramblings may be difficult reading" but at least you can spell and use capital letters.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

What not to do with #9 (Part II):

As good as he looks, adam Carriker isn't right for the Redskins system. He's a 3-4 guy - a glorified DT. If everyone weighed 50 lbs. less, I'd say take him as a DT. But they don't, and the redskins don't need another one-demensional run stuffer at end, especially in 2007. Carriker would be a solid pick, but he is another D-lineman who won't get many sacks, he'll just spin his wheels. His weight is maxed out and he's already slowing down with his added bulk. If the Redskins played more 3-4, I'd be Carriker's biggest proponent, but for the Skins sake, and Carrikers sake, i hope the Skins pass and Carriker ends up in a 3-4.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

On the night shift with the Commodores (minus Lionel) singing in the back.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree mugamack, while I like him, Carriker reminds me of Pittsburgh's Aaron Smith, big time.

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

What to do at #9:

Take Jamaal Anderson. He's the stronger, bigger, just as fast version of Aaron Schobel. Schobel has averaged 10 sacks a game over the past 6 seasons in Buffalo. BUFFALO. Anderson has the character to thrive on a Joe Gibbs team. He can contribute on every passing down until Daniels is ready to hand over the torch (to appreciative applause). He's big enough to play the run once Daniels takes a back seat. In other words, he's PERFECT for the Redskins in 2007.

Anderson is fast enough to drop back in Grilliams system. He's smart enough to learn the system year 1. As mentioned by those smarter than me on this board, he's an accomplished receiver who can play tight end in goal line situations and offer Suop a huge, athletic target.

Pick Anderson at #9 and get 1)An excellent compliment to the 2007 starters who will add a ton of energy on passing downs, 2)A long-term solution at DE, wth the size, strength and quickness to be an every down starter, 3) A character guy - like crazy, Darrell Green character guy, 4) All this, and the #60 pick from Miami.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Assuming the Redskins can switch #6 for #9 and #60, do any of you have a preference at #60?

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Here are DT's drafted in the top ten since '94.

1994
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Dan Wilkinson DT Ohio State
1 8 Sam Adams DT Texas A&M

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 2 Darrell Russell DT Southern California

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 6 Corey Simon DT Florida State

2001
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida

2002
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
1 9 John Henderson DT Tennessee

2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 4 Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
1 9 Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State

That's it. Just nine guys in 13 years. There a big bunch picked after #10. Who's to say Okoye won't be a Ryan Sims, or a Big Daddy, or a Cory Simon?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

AZ skins fan, I have been drinking a special brew of Kool-aid which my boys ArtMonkToTheSticks and The Governor mixed up in a garbage can in their basement, and I believe it includes copious amounts of pure grain alcohol. I know it's potent as anything I had back in college, but I can't stop drinking it!

Anyway AMTTS and The Gov have been beating the LaRon Landry drum for months and months, and I have made room in my heart for this young safety, even though I do believe D line remains our biggest problem.

The notion is that, what Calvin Johnson is to offensive players in this draft, LaRon Landry is to defensive players.

(palladia, please forgive me for not recalling your Landry plug a few months back. It's AMTTS and The Governor who have been ceaselessly beating the drum on this, but if you were in first, good on ya.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Who's to say he won't be a Kevin Williams or John Henderson??

I'm with you, mugamack, trade down and take the Dirty Bird!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben, the 'Night Shift' reference is most welcome. That song is most definitely a guilty pleasure from the Eighties.

"Gonna be some sweet sounds comin' down on the night shift...

"You found another home, I know you're not alone, on the night shift"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

BY the way guys, it's my 30th in a few weeks, if anyone is interested in popping in, let me know and I'll give you some details! haha

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

mugamuck, you can't give me any credit for that discussion topic. sween has been trying to get people to talk in depth about the scenario "so we trade down... then what?" for a few days up here. I just tried my best to jump in and mix it up.

Agree wholeheartedly about Jamaal Anderson as a character guy. I haven't seen a single down he played, but the facts that he was a tight end converted to DE and really only had one big year -- a phenomenal year, granted -- give me pause. Is he big and strong enough to be a run-stopping end opposite light, speedy Carter?

But I have to stop myself and think, we didn't get a lot of production out of that side of the D line last year with the same cast which will be returning this year. Renaldo Wynn just ain't taking care of business over there, is he? Maybe fresh legs, young legs, will mean instant improvement on that side.

What can't be stressed enough is that we have not added a single starter-quality D lineman this offseason, right? So at this point we're basically looking at the same group as last season, plus Manapuna and some other backup level dudes. Hmm...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

kost52, we should see about getting a happy birthday message for you flashed on the scoreboard at RFK during a Nationals game. That would be pretty great, eh? Celebrating by proxy in the old Skins stadium.

Actually, since you're so far away, we could just tell you we had it done but unfortunately forgot to take a picture. How would you know?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

HAHA That would be awesome Nate! (Even though I'm not a baseball fan) I'll tell everyone over here, and no one would know to dispute it either!! Haha

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:21 AM | Report abuse

I think the D-line is the greatest need, but also one of the hardest to get right - even at the top. Safety is also a need. As is guard and second WR. But all of these positions can be addressed much later than the 6th pick.

I would love to see the next Dockery taken in the second or third round but that won't happen without a trade.

If the 'skins get stuck with the sixth pick, the best player available would be Laron Landry. But can we really have a guy with that last name on this team? What about Reed Doughty? Can he develop into a starter at S? He's shown nothing at all but is still on the team with Fox, Stoutmire, and PP.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:21 AM | Report abuse

What I'd do at #60:

I suggest the Anti-Archuleta: Eric Weddle. Where Archuleta could only do one thing (stop the run) at a mediocre level, Eric eddle does ALL things at a high level.

Weddle played corner in college until the coaches moved him to safety because opposing teams weren't throwing his direction. Think about that...

He has 4.4 speed. Sure, he's only 200 pounds, but we already have Sean Taylor - as much as I love Leron Landry, having two "attack-first, think-about-it-later" safeties will end in disaster in 2007.

Bring in Weddle, and he will fill any role he is given - special teams, 3rd down, garbage time. He has a nose for the ball (more of a role in turnovers than any other player in the draft). Playing corner, he shut down CALVIN JOHNSON in the Emerald Bowl. He is a tea-leader, locker-room guy who volunteers al of his free time to various charities.

Weddle can contribute right away and for years to come, a glue guy.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 1:22 AM | Report abuse

As much as I rue the JKC/Mayor Sharon Pratt Dixon Kelly feud which led to the Squire building a new stadium with his own money outside the District, how crappy is it for Niners fans that their team is trying to move from its incredibly awful old stadium site on the windswept, woebegotten wasteland of Candlestick Point (no BART station anyway nearby) to Santa Clara, even farther from the city the team nominally calls home? That would be comparable to the Skins playing in Woodbridge and then moving to a new stadium in Fredericksburg. Ugh.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/04/23/MNGEQPDITH1.DTL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BynBZNiE9EA


I've only just started using youtube. Love it!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Okoye.
Okoye.
Okoye.
Okoye.

You gotta stop the run first.
You gotta stop the run first.
Then that $$$ offfense will have more time on the field and more chances.

Posted by: hailraljon | April 24, 2007 1:25 AM | Report abuse

This is the kind of karma that follows fans of teams that actually pay Vinnie Cerrato.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

mugamuck, I love it. You've really done your homework. Someone else may already have touted Weddle up here, and he sounds like just the kind of guy you want.

The big question, which I doubt will be resolved until five picks into the draft itself, is will we have a dance partner for trading down? So much depends on a red wheelbarrow, I mean on who is picked before we're on the clock...

bangkokben, I think I'm on record up here protesting against Landry solely on the basis of his surname. It just wouldn't sit well on some level, but I definitely think I could get over it... unlike Norval's having come over from Dallas to be our head coach, which never sat right with me.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if we pick Laron he could just go by his first name like Napolean, Madonna or other futbol players.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Nate, the reason I like Anderson so much is because he's NOT another Carter (unlike Adams).

Carter is 6'4", 265 right now, 8 years in. Anderson is 6'6" 280 with room to grow.

And don't forget Anderson that amazing year playing in the SEC in a year when Arkansas played USC - much better competition than Carriker and Nebraska faced. And he converted to defense as soon as he got to Arkansas - he's got 3 years experience playing D and special teams.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Then again, LL could just light up the cowboys that they might start hating the name.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

mugamack,

I'm with the Anderson pick - only after 10, maybe 13. I like the scenario.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Another option for #60 would be the kicker Crosby, might be a reach in the 2nd rnd, but he won't be around in the 5th!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I have maybe been overcompensating for being an Arkansas fan -- having lived there for seven years, I still have a soft spot for the Razorbacks -- and underselling Anderson. But again, he sounds like both a great guy AND a potentially bigtime player.

But let's be honest, if we see our new defensive stud, whoever that is, making an immediate impact and having his name called a few times a week this fall, we'll all breathe a sigh of relief.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Nate,
Assuming he is playing defense. I shutter to think of picking on the otherside of the ball.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Nate, and I guess the same goes for if it was C.Johnson. Doesn't matter really, as long as it works, and we win!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

More Eric Weddle info:

45 starts for Utah: 9 at right conerback, 12 left conerback, 6 at nickle, 18 strong safety.

227 tackles, 22 tackles for loss, 18 interceptions, 10 sacks, 9 forced fumbles - NINE!, 6 fumble recoveries and 4 touchdown returns off of turnovers.

This is a Gibbs guy.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

There are probably some young Cowboys fans who don't even know who Tom Landry is. When they see the silver star, they see Jerry and Jimmy and Troy and Irvin and Emmitt and Jay Novacek's tiny moustache. And they see that ball slip through Romo's hands... ah, yes, any reason to mention that happy moment.

We are so lucky that the greatest coach in our team's history is not only still around but has come back to the sidelines. Man, I want a deep playoff run before Gibbs retires again. I want him to go out on a high note before handing the reins to Coach Grimm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Gotta go to lunch! Take care, guys.

P.S. Dante, sorry in advance for this gratutious post. You can follow my mundane example of how to reach 50K by the weekend. I'm sure sf would want to know when you need to PP or if you need TP for your PP.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 1:48 AM | Report abuse

In other news, kost52, what happened to our Geelong Cats this past weekend? They lost a squeaker to... is it Hawthorne Hawks? Phooey.

I know, I know, it's a long season, but I want our lads to win those close games and of course get lots of disposals in the process. Man, there's nothing better than seeing a nice disposal.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah pretty disappointing Nate, was a good close game, but we are and were the better side and should've won it. Our boy Jimmy Bartel continues to shine!

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Nate, had the same response to Leron landry when i first heard about him: "I do not want to see that name on a Redskins jersey". But then I watched landry's 11 minute highlight film on youtube, and I forgot all about that guy in the hat from Dallas.

That was a great AMEX commercial though...

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we could just pronounce it differently?

Lan-dry?

Londri?

Posted by: kost52 | April 24, 2007 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Nate, not sure if you've seen the videos over at fox sports, but they have a few Anderson/Arkansas highlights that should get your Razorback blood pumping again - including some nice takedowns against USC and a certain quarterback who played for LSU...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6595556

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Mason Crosby's highlights on fox sports might be the most boring highlight film I've ever seen.

And a 2nd rounder for him is just too rich - trade down to the beginning of the third if you have to have him - no one is taking him before the middle of the 3rd.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Ach, I will agree to disagree with anybody who thinks we should draft a kicker. Even one who 'exerts a level of confidence that is clearly seen in [the FOX Sports] video' as Crosby does. Um, exudes? I just don't see kicker as the missing piece on this team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 2:25 AM | Report abuse

And the lame-o 80's guitar soundtrack over the Crosby highlight reel is reason alone not to draft him. Guilt by association? Perhaps.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 2:27 AM | Report abuse

I'll be sticking with Lando as a nickname. Good Lando, of course, not the one who turned Han and Luke and Leia over to Vader (to save his people of Cloud City) but the one who helped get Han back and then blew up the second Death Star. You know what I'm talking about, fellow nerds.

Nice article from J-La. I wish he would just give us credit as a source :)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 2:30 AM | Report abuse

longtime reader, first time poster. thought i'd contribute to 50k...

in the Miami trade scenario here are my top choices:

1. 9 - Jamaal Anderson: should be able to contribute right away on pass rush in rotation, plus hes a physical Skins type of DE who can handle the run
60 - Eric Weddle: smart cover Safety to pair with the Reaper, possibly the most versatile player in the draft as well

That would be my ideal situation and some mentioned it earlier, but here is another interesting possibility...

2. 9 - Alan Branch: if this guy plays to his potential he and Griffin would make a brick wall in the middle of the field
60 - Victor Abiamiri: DE from Notre Dame, watched him all year (considering every ND game is televised) and he really could be a steal, had 10.5 sacks this year (improving on 8 last year) and scouts Inc. says he "looks the part of a potential Pro Bowler"

what do you guys think?

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Geelong Cats club song:

"We are Geelong, the greatest club of all,
We are Geelong, we're always on the ball,
We play the game as it should be played,
At home or far away,
Our banners fly on high from dawn to dark, down at Kardinia Park"

You have to love a team song which, after the obligatory boast to start things off, lauds qualities as mundane as being 'on the ball' and playing the game 'as it should be played.' There's something so quaint about that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Nate, we are agreed, no kicker. This crosby guy just reminds me of the high school phenom out of Colorado who got to Florida State and hit everything wide right. Something about that colorado air, it just makes life too easy on kickers, once they move away, they lose their touch.

As for Sheriff GG, your first choices are inspired. I don't think Branch is a good pick, even at #12. He just isn't what we need RIGHT NOW and has more red flags than a May Day parade.

I like Abiamiri, just not for the Redskins. Like Gaines Adams, he is like Andre Carter. Not a bad thing to be, but not someone the Redskins need two of. And Abiamiri is even MORE like Carter than Adams, all extremely cut, lean athleticism. If the Redskins pick him they end up unable to stop the run in 2008.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Sheriff, interesting that you mention Branch. For so long he and Gaines Adams were mentioned in every draft conversation up here. I guess they started slipping on the mock drafts and consequently slipped off the radar. We've been talking Lando, Okoye, Carriker and Anderson up here for the most part.

But I think you're right, if we trade down just a few slots we'll probably still have a couple of good D line options to sort through. As long as we're right, whoever we pick, as Old School might say.

Another way to think about this would be laying odds for what the Skins could do on draft day, something like:

Picking Landry #6 5:2
Picking Okoye #6 3:1
Picking anyone besides Landry or Okoye #6 8:1
Trading down from #6 15:1
Trading away any 2008 draft picks 20:1
Trading up and picking Calvin Johnson 50:1
Firing Cerrato 500:1
Gouging the fans who come to FedEx Field in every way possible Even odds

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Kind of along the same lines as speculation that we might not pick Lando because we spent high draft picks on the Reaper and Double Move in the past three years, not to mention Doughty in the sixth round last year...

I wonder if the FO might be reluctant to invest a high pick in a DT simply because they devoted two picks to the position last year, in Montgomery (fifth round) and Golston (sixth).

Not that either of those two could yet be judged a world-beater, I'm just wondering if there might be a notion at the Park that 'Oh yeah, we drafted for that last year, let's focus on other areas.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:40 AM | Report abuse

From JLaC's article in Tuesday's Post:

"Landry can do a lot of things, and he may be the best kid on the board [on defense], but he's not going to improve their defensive line," said a high-ranking official from an NFC team, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of draft evaluations. "Taking another safety that high is a luxury I am not sure they can afford."

Now you tell me - if you were in the NFC, would you want to have to play against a team that had both Lando and the Reaper in the lineup? And why would opponents want to give the Redskins helpful advice?

One more thought: when these guys went to college, did they have experienced veterans playing next to them in the defensive backfield? Ummmm, that would be "No" - or at least no more experienced than Taylor will be in relation to Landry.

If the NFC teams are so concerned with the welfare of the Redskins, let them swap first round picks and give up some additional 1st day picks. They can have Landry and we can use the extra picks to rebuild the defensive line, etc.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | April 24, 2007 3:43 AM | Report abuse

Picking Landry #6 5:1
Picking Okoye #6 2:1
Picking anyone besides Landry or Okoye #6 3:1
Trading down from #6 4:1
Trading away any 2008 draft picks 3:1
Trading up and picking Calvin Johnson 25:1
Firing Cerrato 500,000:1
Gouging the fans who come to FedEx Field in every way possible: Off the Board

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 3:46 AM | Report abuse

I guess the big question if we draft Lando is, if we add NOBODY to our defensive line and enter the season with basically the same rotation we had last season (plus youngster Manapuna, who I think was on IR last year) is that good enough?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:49 AM | Report abuse

What if the Redskins trade down to #12 and Landry, Anderson, Adams, Branch, Okoye and Carriker are gone?

Who then?

Posted by: mugmack | April 24, 2007 3:49 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I'm less worried about the D-line in a Landry scenario than I am in two safeties who bite on play action. That's what the Skins had in 2006...

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 3:52 AM | Report abuse

We have to ask the same question on the other side... if we add NOBODY else to our O line, and one of the dudes we've signed or a returning backup steps in at Hickory Dickory Dockery's LG spot, is that good enough?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:52 AM | Report abuse

All this time, I thought the name was mugaMUCK. I guess I've been mis-reading it and mis-pronouncing it in my head. It's mugaMACK. Sheesh. Sorry about that. Or are you deliberately changing it just to F with us??

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:55 AM | Report abuse

The trade down scenarios are tough because it gets so much harder to predict who will be available.

It also gets worrisome because, say we trade down to the teens. Because we picked up one or two additional picks, we can draft for a variety of needs. So when we're on the clock at #12 or #17 or whatever, the front office brain trust suddenly finds it acceptable to take a flyer on... a wide receiver. And we all start kicking ourselves for believing in them.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Nate, while my dream scenario is Joe Thomas somehow falling to the redskins at 6 and our offensive line dominating football like it did in '91, my hunch is those guys will be fine adressing the D-line at 6 and having Wade shift to guard. Sure, they'll all be a year older, but weve already got some servicable back-ups and a few remain unsigned out there

Mahalo.

Posted by: mugamack | April 24, 2007 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Ocho, muga, where are you guys that you can be posting at this late hour? Even the dudes on the other side of the Pacific Ocean have checked out, and I'm about to hang it up as well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Don't look now, but Casey Bramlet is the #2 ranked passer in NFL Europe www.nfleurope.com
I smell a QB controversy. The Hamburg Sea Devils are 1-1 and he has them on a roll.

I said don't look, there's only like 6 teams in the league.

Posted by: protosnot | April 24, 2007 4:29 AM | Report abuse

nate-
i think for our skins its less a matter of what we've done in the past and more a matter of "what do we need right now?". draft savvy teams like the colts and ravens have long term plans, but i think the only question from last draft is "Can Golston be our starting DT for the year?". if not (not great vs. the run), then FO will draft DT regardless of what we did last year

mugamack-
good point about Abiamiri being a smaller/lighter DE which is not exactly in the skins mold. seems like almost every DE these days is a one dimensional DE/LB pass rusher (Adams, Spencer, Moss, etc.) Thats why i like Jamaal Anderson so much. Hes a great pass rusher and run stuffer. But I don't know how you can say that Branch wouldn't help what we need "RIGHT NOW". In the last 5 games of 2006(when Andre Carter settled in nicely) we struggled just as much against the Run as against the Pass. Here are the teams we played and the Yards/Carry they had against us: falcons(6.2), eagles(4.5), saints(3.0), rams(5.1), and giants(7.7). On average we gave up 190yards/game passing and 177yards/game in rushing. And the passing stats are largely inflating due to playing the pass-happy Rams(who dismantled us) and Saints. Plus keep in mind that our pass defense is already far better than last year with Springs/Smoot/Rogers/Macklin and Pierson Prioleau healthy. I'm a big Jamaal Anderson supporter but you can't say that a huge run-stuffer like Branch couldn't help us immediately.

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 4:36 AM | Report abuse

Muga - that situation is very unlikely but pretty scary. If Landry, Anderson, Adams, Branch, Okoye and Carriker are gone and we're at 12...
Calvin Johnson, Jamarcus Russell, and Joe Thomas will definitely be gone. That leaves 2 more players gone before us. If Levi Brown is available then why wouldn't we take him? Play him at LG and then move him to LT when Samuels retires. If he's not, then Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson would be there and we trade down again. We could also take Leon Hall and move Springs to safety but that is a stretch.

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Oakland - Russell
Detroit - Adams
Cleveland - Quinn
Tampa Bay - Johnson
Arizona - Thomas
Buffalo - Peterson
Minnesota - Landry
Atlanta - Okoye
Miami - Anderson
Texas - Branch
San Fran - Carriker
Washington - ???

Nope - not very likely. Extremely unlikely, in fact.

9) Miami wants a Qb to develop or an offensive tackle.
10) Texas needs a cornerback
So you probably have your pick of Anderson or Branch.

Posted by: Draft Boy | April 24, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Jeminintly! I left work at exactly 3pm yesterday convinced there would be nothing new and crikey!

I know, blog rule #1 don't sleep.

Anywho, and I know after 200+ posts there's not a chance in hell anyone's reading this, here are my 2 cents:

Amen to #6DoubleL way back at the top of the thread and to sween who has made the astute argument from the beginning that dback is the most pressing defensive need. Landry would be the best athlete at #6 bar none. I don't see a huge difference between Okoye and guys that will go lower than him. I question the heart factor as more than one report that I've read has said that he is going to have learn to play every down and unless he is goignt to come and go at end and DL in some sort of platoon, he will not be an every down guy. Landry will.

Also, some have suggested that his age is a plus and that he'll just keep get smarter and more mature. Does anybody else here remember 19-24? Yeah, only in bits and pieces, right? Flashbacks, maybe? Okoye has a lot of growing and growing up to do. He's not even out of the Bill Cosby brain damage years yet. He can hardly dress himself.

As to Birkner versus any of the Doodlebops, sorry JLa but face paint and clown wigs may do it for you, but if were drafting kids music hotties and you let Birkner slip for the blue chick with the bulbous fingers, then I'll take her.

Lisa Loeb on the other hand, might have to trade up for her.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd pick Okoye in a Heartbeat. The second Goodell said the 'Skins were on the clock, I'd be jumping onthat stage if I were the 'Skins. It doesn't take 15 minutes to pick a guy who could be great. Pass rushing and run stopping--They set a 'Skins record last year for the worst I think in both categories...HELLO!?!?!?

It's all about the DLine stupids!!!!

Posted by: Fred | April 24, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"Taking another safety that high is a luxury I am not sure they can afford."

True Dat!


Now you tell me - if you were in the NFC, would you want to have to play against a team that had both Lando and the Reaper in the lineup? And why would opponents want to give the Redskins helpful advice?

ocho, ummmmm name me a superbowl winning team that had two great safeties and no line. or two great safeties on one team.

i can't think of one.

Now, if you want landry you have to admit that sean taylor is not good enough. and he's basically taylor's replacement. OR you have to concede landry isn't better than sean taylor. in that case why pick him at 6. AND if you're saying sean taylor is better than landry then you don't need landry.

if drafing talent is such a hard thing for this FO. then fcking get more picks and not throw them away as if they're allergic to them.

Posted by: dealer | April 24, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Dealer;

Brad Edwards and Danny Copeland... 91 skins

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Nicely played, #6DoubleEL.

dealer, it's not so hard to envision the Reaper and Lando thriving together in Grilliams' D. Just use your imagination... see? Looks awesome, doesn't it?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Dealer;

John Lynch and Dwight Smith (MVP) 03 Bucs

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Dexter Jackson from the Bucs was MVP

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

You morning shift guys, feel free to take a stab at the game mugamuck/mack and I started up above, laying odds on the various things the Skins might do in the draft. It's fun and will help kill time until Saturday or a new post, whichever comes first.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I tried to find the rosters of each superbowl winner team... one site had the starters listed in alphabetical order, but there was no position listed, so I would be guessing, and guessing wrong if i tried to expand my list.

But really dealer, that was a lame arguement.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Another argument for Okoye. Let's not forget that a better, faster d-line will also draw more false start and holding penalties. Also, turnovers. Wouldn't you say that there are more turnovers caused in the trenches, (Fumbles and Tipped interceptions) than in the secondary? Not sure of the statistics.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 24, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Have we given up on the possibility of getting Kris Jenkins to plug the middle of the DL either by trade or June 1 cuts? Seems like he's the type of veteran that we might look for after picking Lando (love that nickname dcsween!)

Posted by: Gibby | April 24, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

On the other hand, seems like the I remember hearing a lot about Philly's philosophy of drafting for depth on both OL and DL and building from there. Now I hate to give them credit but they have been consistently successful for a while now. I love the idea of having Lando but the more I hear it seems like he's a Reaper clone and not the good centerfielder that we need to pick off passes and cause turnovers... you know DoubleMove can't catch any

Posted by: Gibby | April 24, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It's all about the DLine stupids!!!!
-Fred

Gee, Fred you've saved me a trip to see the Dalai Lama, the Pope and Desmond Tutu because I was really wondering what it was "all" about.

Now that we have the unassailable wisdom of the great and pOwerful Fred, I can die happy.

By the way, is there a vicious killer attack rabbit that lives in the cave near you? Some call him... Fred???

Somebody get me the holy hand grenade of Antioch, quick!!! 1, 2, 5

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I agree on Dline help. We need some young blood. We have that @ tackle with Monty, Gouly and Bosch. De is the need to me, but again not at 6.

Someone said that if the Green trade goes through, then our trade down options would be limited. I disagree. Green goes to Mia, Culpepper goes byebye. Mia needs a young QB to learn from green. = Quinn. Then Oak takes Culpepper, uses current QB's until he is ready. They take CJ.

So we cant get him, which is good. Then Lions take Adams, Cle takes Jmarc, TB trades with Atl for Okoye, Ari takes Thomas... quinn falls to us.

We trade with Mia, and @ 9 take Anderson.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

And one more to do my part on the way to 50k

Posted by: Gibby | April 24, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Taylor so far has been very similar to LaVar: a super-talented athlete but not a great football player. Hopefully he will develop into a more complete player, instead of just lighting up receivers and punters.

He looked a lot better w/ Ryan Clark back there, since GG was able to hide his coverage deficiencies and his tendency to cheat up on play action. Hopefully Prioleau can do the same and the Skins can use their picks on beefing up the d-line and getting depth on the o-line instead of drafting another great athlete at safety.

Football at every level, from Pop Warner to NFL, is won in the trenches. Excluding XFL and AFL, which of course don't count.

Posted by: Meast Infection | April 24, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Meast Infection,

Meast Infection??? Really??? That's the best/digustinest screen name do far. Might change mine to smegma.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Anything other than D-Line (even in a trade down scenario) is ridiculous. We need a vet cerebral safety (Inspector Prelieau get healthy!) to balance Sean-Tay, and we need at least a consistant prescence from our front line to allow our back 7 playmakers to roam....is this not obvious?!?!?!

Posted by: chris larry | April 24, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Sean Taylor terrorizing NFC East receivers and tight ends for the next 8 years. I just think D-line is more important than a second uber-athlete at safety.

Posted by: Meast Infection | April 24, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, chris Larry, we're sleeping on Praline. Maybe he's ready to be the guy back there, the Sundance Kid to Taylor's Bruce Cassidy.

(Maybe he was ready to be the guy last year but never got a chance due to his cruelly timed injury.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Good work up in this humpty bumpty last night Nate, et al.

I still say D Line, hopefully tackle. Okoye does scare me a little tho, but all this Anderson talk scares me more. That guy looks too lanky, and he's going to get put on his a** by the pro lineman.

Did anybody hear if JLa got in the pit at the Doodlebops concert?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | April 24, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I agree Landry is a beast, but not a ball hawk. This is his weakness. We need turn-overs. Some one to judge the ball in the air and reach out and get it. Springs is the only corner we have which has hands. All other corners and Taylor have D. Green hands. Good to break up passes, but cannot caught a ball to save their lives. Trade down, get some kind of upgrade at D-line and with the other pick we receive get a true center fielder. Weddle in the later rounds would be nice. We need turnovers and people who have good ball skills. Not always looking for the hardest hit.

Posted by: Tony | April 24, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

In the scenario where the Skins trade # 6 to the Dolphins for # 9...which of Miami's 2nd round picks (#40 or #60...if not both) would equate to fair value?

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 24, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

No post in 30 minutes?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 24, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Anyone recall Ohio State running game up the middle against Michigan? Tell us what happened.

Anyone recall how many rushing yards Louisville gave up to Rutgers and WVA?

Who can solve this riddle?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 24, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Can we be realistic about The Reaper for just one second here? His biggest highlights recently have been lighting up a punter in the Pro Bowl game and his open-field running skills after recovering fumbles. Seriously.

Would I want to play against a team with The Reaper and Landry in the defensive backfield? Sure would. I'd run, run, run the ball on a defensive line with no depth before uncorking a play action and leaving The Reaper nowhere to be found. Sean Taylor becomes a much better safety with an improved defensive line. Same goes for Double Move. Stevie Wonder can see this.

Oh, and honestly, saying somebody will be better than Roy Williams isn't saying a whole lot.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 24, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

There's always one sure fire way to get a thread ignited around here.

Somebaody say, "I think they should trade Portis or Betts." That'll get us to 50K in a hurry.

The only way I see a trade down as a viable alternative to taking Landry is if they can get Carriker and a solid Dback in the second round.

I should state, for the record, that my opinions are based on the question proffered by Mr. LaCanfora which was "Okoye or Landry?" I would vastly prefer a deal wherein we get a solid DL and a Dback, but if you're looking at overall value for the 6th pick in the draft Landry is more than just the sexier pick.

Doin' my part to get to 50K.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

No matter who we pick on the weekend, we won't know until training camp, when you here coaches and players leak info about who is making an impression. Then you start to get confirmation durring preseason.Players who are going to make an impact standout out, the guys you see not doing anything or hear coach speak "he is making strides, really working his guts out" are the ones you start to worry about.then the real action starts in the fall another level, not playing against guys who are going to be cut anymore, again the real "players" standout there to.If they don't then we get into the excuses, and hope he will develope talk (example taylor Jacobs) but after awhile you just realize the guy just isn't a player.

any of they the players that many of the regulars and newcomers alike have bantied about sound good, we got needs everywhere at every level and there is no rule about having to many good players at one position, so load up on safties, or pass rushers even if they are a little light or a left tackle if he is the best player, all we can use. We can't fix it all this year anyway, but we can make it better.

Posted by: Old School | April 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more, Wes.
Roy Williams is one of the worst safeties in the league... a total liability and at this point, not much of a big hit threat either. Misses too many tackles.
Gotta go with D-Line in the draft.
The Nigerian Nightmare II seems like a no-brainer for us: Tremendous upside, good 'character', fills a major team need, can start as a rookie.

Posted by: NWO4LIFE | April 24, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Landry is Sean Taylor. Say what you will they are the same type of player. For that reason we need to go Dline.

TRADE DOWN; if you can still pick up a Dlineman in the first; if not trade it down again. I'd rather have 4/5 2nd & 3rd round picks then 1 1st rounder.

Then after the draft fire Vinny.

Since this is what I want, the skins will do the oppostie and trade up to #1 and draft Russell.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | April 24, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Hello, Chicken? Yes, this is egg. Can you please tell me if the Redskins Defensive Line would be better if they had better pass coverage or if the secondary would be better if they had a stronger pass rush? Oh, and while your thinking, would you please tell me which of the Redskins Insider Blog guys would make the best NFL GM?

C'mon, guys no need to insult peoples' intelligence just because you happen to think the chicken came before the egg or vice versa.

In the words of Laurie Birkner, "I know a chicken/and she laid an egg/I know a chicken/it's a shakey egg."

So wise and so hot.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

A good defensive line enhances a defensive backfield much more than a good defensive backfield enhances a defensive line.

It's really not even close.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Who among the veterans is on the chopping block (probable/possible/unlikely) before training camp? Renaldo Wynn?

Whoever has periodically posted status reports for J-La's offseason predictions, could we get an update?

And for the record, I will take Lisa Loeb 10 times out of 10 over this upstart Laurie Berkner. Suffice to say that Ms. Loeb bears a striking resemblance to my beloved Mrs. Nate.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Wes makes a good point. If you can pressure a qb into makeing rushed throws, and get a qb to have happy feet, you're going to force turnovers. You can only expect your cb's, and safeties to be able to cover a receiver for so long, before things will break down.

My dream draft has us going from #6 to #9, and picking up a 2nd from Miami, then from #9 to #12, and picking up a 3rd, and 4th.

Far-fetched, I know, but its not like we're ONE player away.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 24, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Okay, a passing resemblance. I just found some not so smashing pix of Ms. Loeb on the interwebs. But she's inarguably a cutie pie with a smidgen of indie cred, which is nice.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

C'mon Larry,
Everyone knows the chicken and egg came at the exact same time. The chicken was a male and the egg hatched a female chicken (no relation). Then the two got married and had kids. Of course, the female chicken was a bit younger than the male, and that is why today, older men tend to be attracted to younger chics.

Posted by: 70 chip | April 24, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Wes,

All due respect, I beg to differ. Good Dline play comes down to how quickly your Dbacks can react and adjust to their assignments. The reason why Bmore's D has been historically good has to do with consistency of the Dbackfiled and Ray Lewis' ability to cover TEs and RBs.

Now, the truth is that the realationship is synergistic which is why I was addressing ths as a chicken or egg argument.

My point is that I don't mind if they take Okoye and believe he has huge upside. But I don't believe he will have the immediate impact on the Dline that you seem to think he will. He will be at least a couple of years in the making.

Landry, on the other hand, is balzing fast and, contrary to what has been posted here by his detractors, far superior cover skills and speed to Taylor and R. Williams (who is a joke, by the way) and will have an impact on the way the Redskin's Dline can play and also free Taylor to be the ball hawk he was 2 years ago. He will have a more immediate impact than Okoye.

Suffice to say he will take some time, too which is why I'm glad Praline will be healthy. I just see Landry as the superior athlete and the only one worthy of a #6.

My Best case would be we trade to a spot where we can take Carriker and a olid Dback in the second round.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who we draft, as long as I can blow as many picks as possible this coming weekend. WOO HOO!!! I can't tell you how excited I am to dig into future year draft picks to get some big names this year! Rocky Mac? HA, you just wait!!! That was only TWO picks...he was small potatoes!

Posted by: Cerattto | April 24, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Landry, on the other hand, is balzing fast and,"
-Me, 2 minutes ago

ummm, of course I meant "blazing" fast.

Mrs. Larry bears a resemblance to Birkner with blonde hair, so go figure, Nate.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Wes;

NOT in GG's Scheme. Now if we are talking future and GG not being here, then we have an arguement.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Pressure turn overs are more common thnan coverage sacks no doubt, front line MUST be at least decent and consistant....

No other evidence is need with Gibbs 2.0/Manboobs than when Daniels went on his tear in 05 is when skins ripped off 6 wins, and made PO....and the Manboobs Def went from suspect to beast in that half season.....

If we take a second safety in top 10, to play the same position its LUNACY....

I the words of immortal Stan Lee,

nuff said....

Anyone watch Heros? That show makes 24 its B@tch...

by the way...where Pdiddy at?

Posted by: chris larry | April 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

let me throw it another way. just on Defense, what have and may have had for awhile are the collection of the complementary guys, the good team players the locker room types Gibbs talks about, every team needs them. What we lack and have tried to get on D (Picking Lavar and picking the reaper in the top of the draft) are the impact and defenseive LEADER. The guy that the other good guys on the team look to for play making and inspiration(leadership) unfortunatley Lavar Didn't work out in this and the reaper is tracking to be a disappointment ( althought the jury is not in session). The surrounding cast is there or mostly there (?) its the impact must accounted for at all times, better not run there, throw there, go there player. That guy then elevates the play of the reaper and double move and carter, grif gets renergized, and golston and sallie are better role players right on down the D from the first guy to the last guy.

Think its coincidence the colts D played better down the stretch when saunders got back in the line up. Take peppers off carolina or dawkins off philly, tommie harris off the bears, they were different without him .... see what i mean its not a position, its a player I want.

I recognize that last year we had a bad collection of guys...and when your impact guys Reaper, double move and springs have a bad year and you get nothing out of your young "impact linebacker that you had to move up to get" you end up playing historically bad D in sacks and turnovers (the impact D plays). I am on record saying by subtracting Holdman, arch, wright, rumph and moving marshall we are all ready better.

Posted by: Old School | April 24, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

70,

Couple of issues with this, "The chicken was a male and the egg hatched a female chicken (no relation)."

#1 The chicken can't be male... everbody knows that's called a rooster, or cock.

#2 By logical progression your argument pressumes a pre-existing cock, erego, the cock came first.

#3 Everybody also knows that cocks dig chics in general.

Touche, sir.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Touche, indeed

Posted by: 70 chip | April 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Laron Landry will cover and Sean Taylor will deliver the hard hi or vice-versa

Posted by: Alexander | April 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Hold on a second...
It's been bothering me that everyone has been calling out Sean Taylor for not being a complete player or just being a big hitter. Have we all forgotten how he was the most complete safety to come out of college in recent history? He was touted as a great cover safety and his first preseason game he had 2 interceptions. Remember the Tom Friend article that explained how Jacksons tinkering really messed with his head? The separate safety and cornerback meetings? Making Taylor overanalyze and not just 'play'? I think Sean Taylor will be that complete player he's capable of being. He does have a great nose for the ball but people only look at his amazing physical gifts. If you want to trash anyone it's the coaching staff. I hope the Redskins trade down and get Jamaal Anderson and then Eric Weddle in the 2nd/early 3rd. Our d-line is not only pathetic, but old and pathetic. A pass rush or a run stuffer will do wonders for letting the Reaper roam free. Defenses should cater to their best players and there is no question that Sean Taylor is that player.

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

In the words of my nemesis, Ron Burgundy, agree to disagree. When in Rome...

Even if the pick (wherever they end up drafting) is not d-line, there is no denying that the defensive line is in dire need of help. Golston and Montgomery are only part of the solution, not THE solution. I don't care what the scheme is, you need to be able to stop the run. You can't pin that on a faulty d-backfield.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is talking Okoye, Landry, Alan, etc. but check this dude out. Now tell me he wouldn't be a welcomed edition to the team! Our tallest ACTIVE receiver is 6.0 (James Thrash). Just a Thought!!! hmmmmmm
Trannon, Matt 6-6 237 Michigan State - http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/trannon_matt

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Sheriff Gonna Getcha you said it my man. Smack to the back of double G damn head. We really should have shown his a** the door.

Posted by: jm220 | April 24, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Golston and Montgomery are only part of the solution, not THE solution. I don't care what the scheme is, you need to be able to stop the run. You can't pin that on a faulty d-backfield."
-Wes Mantooth

True, true. You can pin on Marshall and Holdman a lil bit, though.


Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Skins4Life,

All I have to say about Mr. Trannon is this from the site you posted, "Compares To: Plaxico Burress, New York Giants"

We don't need no Plexiglass here. Plus, Coooooley is taller than Thrash.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Flintstones, meet the Flintstones... yeah, Matt Trannon looks good.

But it's like the kicker thing, I just don't think WR is THE missing piece for this team, or should be near the top of our wish list.

Fascination with landing a big, possession WR is what has our Owner allegedly salivating over Calvin Johnson. Just say no, for goodness sake, and do something to fix the D!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think we should waste everything on going to Goerge Mason University or Georgetown University and acquire one of those 6'6" forwards or centers who know they won't make the NBA and turn him into a TE or goal line receiver! hahaha

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sure the Redskins chats on washingtonpost.com and Maske's chat and all the blogs will have the up-to-the-minute speculation on the Redskins."

Wilbon again skirting the NFL draft talk

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I know this kid is ok at best but I see him as a late round pick if we can drop out of #6 spot. We NEED a DT whether it is Okoye, Branch our Mrs. Butterworth! our defensive line SUCKED royally! BUT, being the hardcore fan I am I will be at the Draft Day Party supporting whatever smart or STUPID decision VC or JG makes! Come join the fun!!!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I know this kid is ok = Matt Trannon

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Skin4life, Mrs. Butterworth is intriguing. I don't like her in the top 10, but if we trade down she should be available in the middle of the first round.

She is incredibly sweet-natured, but you can't put together a solid plate of pancakes, or a defense, without somebody like her holding it all together.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Since our defense probably will be awful again this year, my sugesstion:

Pick Landry with this year's top 10 pick; and pick DL with next year's top 10 pick.

Posted by: BT | April 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

From NFL.com about trades

"Last month, the Bears and Redskins discussed a deal in which Washington offered the draft's sixth overall pick to Chicago in return for Briggs and the 31st overall selection. The Bears wanted more and trade talks collapsed. The two sides have not spoken since then, a Redskins official said Monday. Yet one Bears official said Monday he has heard that trade talks between the two sides could be revived soon."

F an A

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Yeah, but we could probably trade down and get an Aunt Jemimah or a Mrs. Smith-type.

I know we're comparing apples to oranges here but how can you have pancakes without Aunt Jemima?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Oakland - Russell
Detroit - Adams
Cleveland - Quinn
Tampa Bay - Johnson
Arizona - Thomas
Buffalo - Peterson
Minnesota - Landry
Atlanta - Okoye
Miami - Anderson
Texas - Branch
San Fran - Carriker
Washington - ???

If this is what you're looking at you take Willis.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 24, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The more I read and hear, it looks like the Skins will make a draft day trade up for more picks. So I'm thinking the Landry/Okoye speculation will be all for naught.

Posted by: Lisa | April 24, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Who farted? This blog stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Skinfanman,

If that's what you're looking at, I say try to trade back again.

Posted by: etrod | April 24, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I know we're comparing apples to oranges here but how can you have pancakes without Aunt Jemima?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 11:37 AM

You could support our neighbors to the north and buy real maple syrup. Yum

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I like Lisa's idea to trade up for more picks!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 24, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Who's got better panckaes? IHOP, Waffle House or Cracker Barrel?

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 24, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

That Todd Bridges comment was classic!

Posted by: TheDiesel44 | April 24, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Draft the DE we have depth at S. Hell we just got a new one in FA

Posted by: DLP 357 | April 24, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

skinswest, I'm afraid we just don't have the salary cap space for real maple syrup.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 24, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Dennys pancakes and coffee. Best breakfast ever.

Posted by: etrod | April 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Who's got better panckaes? IHOP, Waffle House or Cracker Barrel?

Posted by: JonTPK126 | April 24, 2007 11:51 AM

Hands down it has to be Cracker Barrel!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I think with the way our defensive line played last year Little Rocco La Canfora can help us out. With a name like that it would mesh well with Rocky McIntosh!hmmmm We just have to wait about 20years!! which is about the time washington will pick it's next D-lineman!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

As an MSU Grad, I love Trannon (and Plexico) and do think he will make a nice late 2nd early 3rd round pick.(of which we don't have) I have seen him play a lot and my biggst concerns are his injuries (3 yrs in a row missed multiple games with leg and hip issues) and his ok but not blazing speed would slot him closer to the ball as a 3rd WR and with Gibbs and his 2 TE sets, not a lot of room/receptions/downs for one more reciever.

I also am going to speak some heresy according to most on this board and not write off B. Lloyd yet. One more year to learn the complicated offense, a pocket passer undercenter, an improved running game opening up a little more in the passing lanes, and Santana taking the primary secondary attention. He might suprize us this year. Mark my words.

P.S. Speaking of Spartans to draft, Drew Stanton would make a nice addition if we do pick up a 2nd round pick in a trde and Brandon Fields, a 6-5, 2-time All American Punter would be a nice pick up in the 5th round.

Posted by: MrSpartan | April 24, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Dennys pancakes and coffee. Best breakfast ever.

Posted by: etrod | April 24, 2007 12:01 PM

While a Denny's breakfast (esp the one when they made the scrambled eggs "meat bowls") is very good, nothing beats the huge breakfast at IHOP!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

MrSpartan you sound convincing!!! hmmmmmmmmm

Let's trade all our picks and get that PUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

my unnamed post... one day I'll get this internets thing!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Cracker" Barrel and Denny's have a terrible history of race discrimination and I avoid so IHOP by default, but Uncle Buck's Birthday Pancakes would win hands down.

Posted by: Mr Spartan | April 24, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dennys pancakes and coffee. Best breakfast ever.

Posted by: etrod | April 24, 2007 12:01 PM

While a Denny's breakfast (esp the one when they made the scrambled eggs "meat bowls") is very good, nothing beats the huge breakfast at IHOP!!!!

Posted by: | April 24, 2007 12:08 PM

While the huge breakfast may be appealing. Try the "Mam's Pancake Breakfast" at Cracker Barrel!!!! Watch out you may knaw off your fingers!!! mmm mmm good

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Nate - To heck with cap space - restructure some contracts here and there - let the capologist do his/her magic - The Future is now! Dan wants maple syrup, daggummit!

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Mr Spartan,

I can't argue that point but, the Cracker Barrel in Fredericksburg, Va. actually has African-Americans on the walls!! and being African-American I was completely surprise!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

In true Redskins Fan style I'd like to propose my ideal ("unrealistic") draft scenario.
We trade from #6 with Miami to #9. Miami can take Quinn at #6 before the Vikings at #7 and we get the #9 pick and Miami's #60 overall. Everyone thinks the Bills are in love with Patrick Willis, who would step in to replace London Fletcher(Baker) and is the perfect combination of need/value. But, according to John Clayton, the 49ers are also enamoured with him (Nolan coached him for a week at the Senior Bowl) and Clayton expects them to take him at 11. If this is true, then we could trade the #9 pick to Buffalo for their #12 and the late third-rounder they received in the McGahee trade - #92. That way they could still nab Willis and they'd still have their original third round pick. In both these trades (Miami and Buffalo) the motivation for our trade partners is VERY REAL and the draft value chart numbers work out well(not as though that matters). The Skins would end up with the #12, #60, and #92 picks. Just like magic, a single first-rounder transformed into 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. If this somehow happened, here are my picks:
#12 - Jamaal Anderson, DE, you guys know the story
#60 - Eric Weddle, S, smart, ball-hawk, turnover machine, possibly most versatile player in the draft (defense, special teams, AND offense), perfect complement to Sean Taylor
#92 - Josh Beekman, OG, absolute mauler, excells in running game but could develop into a nice pass protector too

If this dream scenario happened (not that crazy in my opinion) what would you guys do with the three picks(12,60,92)?

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

sheriff

All is not lost with the reaper, anybody with the physical gifts he has you just don't give up on.

What I am saying and is the difference (the only) difference between sean t the talent and where he could be when its all said and done (Ronnie Lott) are the things that are missing from his game, is more ball hawking and sacking on blitz and to consistently (know) where and be where he is supposed to be. John Lycnh, ronnie lott, ed reed, brian dawkins, guys who are in or are tracking to be in the hall do not need a seeing eyedog (Ryan clark) to line them up and because they are in the right spots they are in position to use their ability to make game changing Impact plays (turnovers, sacks) etc regularly.

Just don't want sean to waste his talent and never get it.

Posted by: Old School | April 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate - To heck with cap space - restructure some contracts here and there - let the capologist do his/her magic - The Future is now! Dan wants maple syrup, daggummit!

Posted by: skinswest | April 24, 2007 12:15 PM

Speaking of Danny boy, did anyone hear the story of how the electricity in DS's neighborhood went out, BUT, he was the only person with power and would not let any of his neighbors come over. His Neighbors complained on TV about how inconsiderate he was. Well, it is my opinion if you live in Big Dan's neck of the Hundred Acre Woods you aren't doing so bad and should have thought to invest in alternate power sources!!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Sheriff,

I love that scenario and your picks... dont think it will happen but... who cares??? We are simply here to speculate anyway!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 24, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I concur with the guy who asked who farted? This blog does stink, at the moment.

Posted by: ES | April 24, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

until they give me the phone to make the call on Saturday this means nothing, but...

you take Okoye with the #6 pick. you don't need 2 Reapers. you need the original to scare the bejeezus out of the WRs and then someone to be in the right place if/when he whiffs.

griffin is always hurt and it's probably because he's the one getting double-teamed all the time. get a stud DT and they can't just key on CG. it'll also free up carter and daniels too. might as well help them out since we've invested a bunch in both. golston and montgomery add depth and can give the guys a breather, but a top flight DT will do wonders for the entire D.

we made the playoffs with a cast-off S 2 years ago. just gotta find another one to fill that spot. easier said than done, but not impossible.

just my $.02 (and yes, it's monopoly money)...

Posted by: [cc] | April 24, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Don't complain about who farted and spray some floral smells on us!!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

A great man once said, "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up." - Muhammad Ali.
We need someone who is going to beat people up!!! I'd go with the guy who will fill up the most space of defaense and that guy has to be A. Branch!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Sherriff, I'll play along:
#12 - Adam Carriker
#60 - Josh Beekman
#92 - Sabby Piscatelli

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

SGG;

I dont think Weddle will be there at #60. The cat is outta the bag on him.

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

defaense = defense
Sorry just had lunch and the Sandman is starting to call. I need a Red Bull and so the the Skins' D-line.

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

'I can't argue that point but, the Cracker Barrel in Fredericksburg, Va. actually has African-Americans on the walls!! and being African-American I was completely surprise! '

I hope you mean pictures of African Americans.

Posted by: etrod | April 24, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Spraying some air freshner......

This email just came in:

Draft Week Media Briefing: LIVE Webcast Today!

The NFL Draft is this Saturday, April 28, and as always, there's plenty of speculation and intrigue about what the Redskins will do with the sixth overall draft pick.

Today (Tuesday) at 4 p.m. ET, you can listen to team officials discuss plans for the NFL Draft! The Redskins will host their Draft Week Media Briefing, broadcast LIVE on Redskins.com.

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Joe Gibbs and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato are scheduled to discuss the team's approach to the draft. (Schedule permitting.)

Posted by: ES | April 24, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I fear that whomever we pick, Gregg Williams will be determined to show the rookie who's boss by benching him for half the year, as he basically did with Rogers, Taylor, and McIntosh. Williams and Coach Joe don't have much patience. So, don't get your hopes up of seeing much impact from any rookie during the 2007 season.

Posted by: Tramell | April 24, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

We should have seen the signs about Mike Tyson:

After the fight I give you what I think you deserve; I give you what I want to give you. It's no more percentage. You get what I want to give. - Mike Tyson

Another thing that freaks me out is time. Time is like a book. You have a beginning, a middle and an end. It's just a cycle. - Mike Tyson

Anyone with a grain of sense would know that if I punched my wife I would rip her head off. It's all lies. I have never laid a finger on her (he laid a fist on her )LMAO. - Mike Tyson

As long as we persevere and endure, we can get anything we want. - Mike Tyson

Just wasting air someone else could be breathing!!!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

etrod,

No I mean African Americans not pictures. LMAO

Sorry about the mistake yes, pictures!

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The skins need to fire Vinny and hire the sheriff as their new GM. Plan sounds great, if only the skins FO read the blog.

Posted by: ce1782 | April 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Did you all read Jason's article today? I am starting to think I should be a GM. Seriously? Nah, not Seriously. Yes, seriously.

Posted by: The Governor | April 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

trying to make 50k+

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

hungry

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

am

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I bet that no matter what the 'skins do, JLC will criticize their moves, either here or in an article or both.

Any takers on this?

Posted by: Bets? | April 24, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Bets?,

If he does it is only to spur up conversation, but my real answer is no he will not.

Posted by: Skin4life | April 24, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Somebody forgot to put Bob Evans in the pancake mix (heh, I kill myself).

I go with Bob and definitely hork some maple syrup, eh?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Old School:

Think its coincidence the colts D played better down the stretch when saunders got back in the line up. Take peppers off carolina or dawkins off philly, tommie harris off the bears, they were different without him .... see what i mean its not a position, its a player I want

Response:

And notice how when Springs was in the game last year how much better the D played. He was in there against Carolina and New Orleans, if I'm not wrong.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 24, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

JLaC has def shown his true colors. The paper will try to be fair and balance as long as they don't nit-pick anything.

The Blog is a different beast. JLaC is no longer a writer, but is an ameteur blogger who lets his emotions show almost as bad as us redskins' fans.......

Posted by: ES | April 24, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Amobi Akoye is a pot head he smokes Marijuana with the new conduct policy who knows what will happen to him...

Posted by: Alexander | April 24, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about ES? Get off Jason's back.

.. need a new blog ..

Posted by: JoeyV | April 24, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Jamaal Anderson - 6'5 and 288 is anything but lanky. Lanky is Gaines Adams and Jarvis Moss. Anderson will go on the NFL weightlifting and meal plan soon and probably be 295-305 in a year or two. Sounds to me like that might be a workable size at DE.

Posted by: Pulp | April 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he's a pothead. When 3 of the top 10 prospects admitted at the combine to smoking weed, 7 out of the top 10 prospects were exposed as liars.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | April 24, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Yet one Bears official said Monday he has heard that trade talks between the two sides could be revived soon."

Posted by: #6DoubleEL | April 24, 2007 11:36 AM

The Bears are wishful thinkers. They have taken a stand, pissed off one of their key players by being cheap, aggravated Urlacher at the same time, and have gotten nothing for it. Smart move, Bears boys. So they have to look like they are doing something to cover for the fact that they are both cheap and stupid.

Posted by: Pulp | April 24, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

New post from Jason

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

New Post

Posted by: Gibby | April 24, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Taking Landry really scares me. I just don't see how he would be a good fit with Taylor, and they can't afford to tie up that much $$ at the safety spots with so many other more pressing needs. The defensive line really needs a young playmaker to build around and someone like Okoye would be a great selection. They might even be able to trade down a few spots and still land him. I've got my fingers crossed that the 'Skins will be smart on draft day for a change, but with their history you never really know.

Posted by: GeorgeParmesan | April 24, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If this dream scenario happened (not that crazy in my opinion) what would you guys do with the three picks(12,60,92)?

Posted by: Sheriff Gonna Getcha | April 24, 2007 12:18 PM

Nice job, Sheriff - I'll go with your picks if you can convince the front office to make the deals.

Posted by: Pulp | April 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

no to landry. he lacks ball hawking skills according to all draft evaluators.

no to okoye. not at #6.

dline help is a must, but can be attained much later in the draft.

anyone who thinks dline isn't important doesn't truly understand the nature of the NFL. all those who have posted that games are won and lost in the trenches are right on target.

our offense is only as good as the line allows it to be. it only stands to reason that the defense works the same way.

for every "coverage sack" there are a dozen or more line and linebacker sacks.

Posted by: flipthatswitch | April 24, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

#6DoubleEL

I wouldn't agree with you at all. The Bucs and Redskins both had safeties that played well within their systems. Not safeties that were all-stars. How many Pro Bowls did Brad Edwards and Danny Copeland go to? That's what I thought.

Who can name the two starting corners and safeties for the recent Carolina Panthers SB team? Or the Denver Broncos SB-winning teams? The Broncos team had Ray Crockett as one starter. The Panthers had Ricky Manning, Jr. and Tyrone Poole.

All you can say is that each of those teams maybe had ONE safety that was Pro-Bowl, uber-athlete all-star type. The others were smart, system players. You know, like Ryan Clark.

Meanwhile, I can name you a Redskins team that had an amazing secondary: the Darrell Green and Cris Dishman starting CB tandem under Norv. That team was #1 or #2 in the NFL against the pass...but they didn't make the playoffs, because the QB had all day to throw and they were last against the run. The safeties were pretty good, too.

If you give the QB all day to throw and you can't stop the run, even a secondary made up of two Champ Baileys, an Ed Reed and a John Lynch in his prime aren't going to be able to stop a team from moving the ball.

The Redskins set futility records in sacks and turnovers last year. Pressure creates both, but you can't get pressure on the passing game unless you stop the run.

That's why I just can't see any justification for taking another high-round safety instead of significantly upgrading the D-line by any means necessary.

Posted by: jcabana | April 24, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Freeney was coming out. He's 6'1" and 268 lb. now, I don't know what he was then. They questioned his size. Never mind he was a sack machine in college. Now would we not want to have Freeney because he's too much like Carter? Should Adams fall to #6 I'm thinking we wouldn't want to pass up the chance to take the next Freeney.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Would any other team in the NFL start Phillip Daniels at DE? We need someone that can get to the corner, thereby making life much easier for Double Move and Reaper. With a health Cornelius, we're one good DE away from a top 10 defense!

Posted by: Jacques | April 24, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I meant Quarterback... we need someone to get to the quarterback

Posted by: Jacques | April 24, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

if quinn is there at six i'd take advantage and trade the pick to minnesota or miami for their first and second picks, then choose, in order, okoye with the first, and spencer with the second. that would go a very long way to revitalizing our d-line with youth, energy, quickness, and talent. those two picks would do a whole lot more for our defensive pass rating than landry at safety....

Posted by: JC | April 24, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

2 words for you JC: Manny Sistrunk. Would you take Manny Sistrunk over say Mann, Manley? Yes he is only 19. But so was Manny. Who has more potential impact for the defense? Landry, a corner with the skills of Champ Bailey, Darrel Green? Or Manny Sistrunk. Give the current situation in the secondary and the dearth of "celebral" (isn't that the way you put it?) types in the secondary and at linebacker? Is this guy another Antonio Pierce? Meal Olkewicz? Harold McLinton? Can he even beat out the current starters? Or is it a 2 year wait while he matures?

Posted by: Periculum | April 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

2 words for you JC: Manny Sistrunk. Would you take Manny Sistrunk over say Mann, Manley? Yes he is only 19. But so was Manny. Who has more potential impact for the defense? Landry, a corner with the skills of Champ Bailey, Darrel Green? Or Manny Sistrunk. Give the current situation in the secondary and the dearth of "celebral" (isn't that the way you put it?) types in the secondary and at linebacker? Is this guy another Antonio Pierce? Meal Olkewicz? Harold McLinton? Can he even beat out the current starters? Or is it a 2 year wait while he matures?

Posted by: Periculum | April 24, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Okoye.

Posted by: kbrizzles | April 24, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

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