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If the Redskins Had to Pick Today...

I'm not really predisposed toward crunching all the possible draft permutations until a few weeks before the big event. It seems counterproductive because there are just too many variables and smokescreens at this point.

By mid-April, things always become a little clearer as teams' draft boards come into focus. Everyone will have a better idea then of what is going on around them and how likely they might be to trade, etc. But, since I've been asked and we are roughly a month out, I figured I'd give my take on what the Skins will do.

If I had to say today which player I think the Redskins will draft, I'd stick with Michael Oher, the name I mentioned six or eight weeks ago, the first time I started getting a lot of emails asking me to throw out a name.

With all the fallout on fellow SEC offensive tackle Andre Smith, the fact the other Smith, the offensive tackle from Baylor, could be the first guy off the board, and looking at what the Skins did - and did not do - in free agency, I think Oher remains a solid and safe pick. He has an amazing story, as chronicled in "The Blind Side," and is a special kid who has overcome a great deal. He should be capable of handling the fame and fortune, and has incredible athletic ability.

I just do not see a sure-fire linebacker or defensive ends being on the board when the Redskins pick, and there is no denying this organization is in need of young tackles. And yes, that's plural on tackles because Chris Samuels is aging and coming off another knee surgery.

Much could change by mid-April, but I'll stick with this for now.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 23, 2009; 12:47 PM ET
 
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FIRST??E?#@@@?

Posted by: gregegeg | March 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I would hope if Andre Smith isnt available, trade down and go for Michael Johnson

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I like that pick. I wouldn't complain with Oher.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

From Profootballtalk

A league source tells us that Josh Freeman will be gone the time the Jets use their seventeenth pick overall. "All three quarterbacks will be gone by 15 if not sooner," the source said. "Freeman has exceptional talent," the source added.

Jets could be a possible trade partner.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Oher or Andre Smith (even though he looks like the Staypuft Marshmallow Man). Other than Curry, who won't be available at 13 the other LB's don't sound that intriguing, at least not enough to take over Oher or Smith.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I would have to agree. Although it is possible that at least three OTs could be gone by the redskins pick there will always be the surprise players that ill sneak into the top 10. Even with all of the intelligence questions and inconsistency I would still select Oher who could be a good RT under the tutelage of Bugel.

Posted by: footy_29 | March 23, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

heard something this weekend on the NFL network that teams are red-flagging Sanchez, and either Monroe, or Oher, can't remember which, due to injury concerns.

fwiw...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, tackles are easier to come by either in later rounds or via free agency than dominant DE's. My vote is to take a DE at this spot, whoever the best available is at pick # 13. The Johnson kid from GA Tech is a freak, and will probably be there at 13. Not saying tackles are not important, just that the availability of tackles in later rounds is higher than quality DE's.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope they do...I swear if they pick someone they don't need, like a QB or another WR, I will never root for this team...

Posted by: shaqdigga | March 23, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

My only problem with taking a DE at 13 is it seems most of the ones who seem like they'll be available sound like smaller 3-4 DE/OLB's not 4-3.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's top pre-season receiver last year, Billy McMullen (actually number one WR in the NFL preseason). Cut after the last game..and the Seahawks snapped him up, no coincidence.


He caught 3 passes week 2 and 4 the next game and nothing the rest of the year. If that's your argument for why Collins would have succeeded then you possibly might post a single digit Wonderlic score at best.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"My only problem with taking a DE at 13 is it seems most of the ones who seem like they'll be available sound like smaller 3-4 DE/OLB's not 4-3."

That concerns me too. Although I would think that Blache is smart enough to use that kind of talent even in a 4-3. We gotta do something at that position, we've been without a stud DE since Dexter and Charles Mann.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"The Johnson kid from GA Tech is a freak, and will probably be there at 13"

He will be there, because taking him at 13 would be a HUGE reach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Some people see Oher not going until the beginning of the 2nd. So, trading some of the future to get an OL today might be propitious. Kind of like "paying you Tuesday for a hamburger today" but I don't see any way around this if they want to make any headway after last year.

Be nice to get Andre Smith and Oher. Since both could potentially play guard.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

OT isn't a flashy pick but its one a lot of people think we have to take...I'm not one of those people.

If Raji is available, there's your pick. Interior D-line is dominating the league right now and with that move, you've made the Skins one of the elite teams at collapsing the pocket. Also, negates the need for a truly 'game changing' DE. Hell, Dexter Manley could roll in today and get double degit sacks with that line.


I just think that you have to go with Buges assesment of Heyer and give the kid a shot at RT (a legit shot this year and not a 3 week in pseudo-injury Vet-yank).

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"He will be there, because taking him at 13 would be a HUGE reach."

Not denying that at all, maybe we can trade back a few picks and still get him. Vinny has said in the past that you don't draft based on need, you take the best player available. Even if they guy is a reach at # 13 and he's more suited to a 3-4, he's gotta be an upgrade to what we have currently, so why not take a shot at him?

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Perc,

I find it hard to believe that Oher would make it to the second round. Especially considering that the eEgles have two first round picks, 21 & 28 AND they lost tra thomas & ruynan is going on 35. They will pick an OT. Oher will not slip into round two.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Trade back and give me a tackle and a guard over a guy who is labeled as inconsistent with a questionable motor. IMHO Loadholt, Britton, Oher are all in that tier below the Smiths and Monroe. If those 3 are gone you can trade back and still get a quality tackle plus pick up a Duke Robinson or Max Unger in the second as well.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Jason. However the draft might go ... the trade possibilities almost have to be in the works now I would think? Some of your sources must have some inkling of the possibilities might be for this team at draft time. And it does look kind of like that is the direction they will have to go. They just don't have enough players ... the resigning of Wynn seems to underscore that.

The draft is the right place to remedy that given the salary cap situation and the rules associated with the final and possibly subsequent post-salary cap year.

That is something perhaps worth discussing when you come up with your final analysis? The ramifications and permutations associated with the sunset year of the salary cap: 2009.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I dusted off my old college Psych book and I finally get it. I apologize to the fans I've been sparring with for wanting to dump JC17. I should be supporting you, and encouraging you to get help for your "Stockholm Syndrome".

You're so used to changing coaches and QBs every few years, you've "bonded" with your abusers. Now, you can't stand to watch a decent young QB develop and a coach work with him for more than a year or two while he gets better and better every year. You want change, change, change and more seasons of guaranteed failure... you look for the next Pat Ramsey, Jeff George, Danny Wuerffel, or Shane Matthews. The next Spurrier or Norval.

I'm sorry JC17 haters, everything will be OK. Everything will be fine. There are people you can talk to!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"If Raji is available, there's your pick"

Agreed, but no chance Raji is there at # 13. Think Seattle might take him at # 5.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 23, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What football fan says he is "not really predisposed toward crunching all the possible draft permutations until a few weeks before the big event"? Proof right there that this guy doesn't know anything worth reading. And he proves it again and again.

Having said that, Oher would be ok at #13. Then SLB Freeman in the 3rd round would make for a good day overall. If all RTs are off the board at 13, take Cushing.

Posted by: kcc1 | March 23, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru:Sports Insight::Bernie Madoff:Successful Investing

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 9:58 AM |

Terrible analogy. Madoff never invested anything so we have no idea how he does at it. The $$$ went directly to his pocket - he made off with it, so to speak.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 12:05 PM

I see this went too fast for you, Anton. Let me try a different approach.

Imagine you invested $50 million through Bernie Madoff. And imagine that you got back zero. Now imagine whether you would call that "successful investing." If so, let me send you a prospectus for the talent_evaluator_fund.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 12:18 PM |

Phew! Also, pee-yew! I can see you aren't going to ace your SATs. Analogy-wise it goes like this. Element1->Class1 as Element2->Class2. Element2=Bernie Madoff, Class2=Successful Investing. In your reply to my comment, you twisted the forker into Element2=Investing with Bernie Madoff, Class2=Successful Investing. Also, in order for the analogy to be logically cornsistent, Element1 and Element2 have to be tbe same generic thing. You can't have Element1 being a person (Sports Guru) and Element2 being an action (Investing with Bernie Madoff). My advice to you - if you intend to apply to Harvard, enroll in one of them classes they offer to hone one's SAT skills.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Here’s my predictions for the 2009 opening games:

Thurs nite opener: Steelers vs Ravens (AFC Champ rematch)
Mon nite game: eagles vs Cardinals (NFC Champ rematch)
That’s pretty much the formula for those 2 openers.
Sun nite game will definitely have the Giants vs somebody. NFL always pushes for the Giants in prime time opening weekend. The only question will be is whether or not they play in Dallas for the new stadium opening, or if Tom Brady is healthy, then they may have them play the Pats…..They could hold off on having the Cowboys home opener for week 2 MNF to be a ratings buster.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"If Raji is available, there's your pick. Interior D-line is dominating the league right now and with that move, you've made the Skins one of the elite teams at collapsing the pocket. Also, negates the need for a truly 'game changing' DE. Hell, Dexter Manley could roll in today and get double degit sacks with that line."

They already have players that have that potential and are still young enough to achieve that. They do not have an offensive line. Its a patchwork quilt of injured and aging players who can't make it through 16 games plus a preseason. This is not the case on the D-line.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will take with their firs pick OT out of Ball State Heywood J.Blome
I hear he is a BEAST!

Posted by: rlomax67 | March 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

If Andre Smith and Raji are available at 13 you take Andre Smith because you signed Haynesworth for that postion.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"OT isn't a flashy pick but its one a lot of people think we have to take...I'm not one of those people.

If Raji is available, there's your pick. Interior D-line is dominating the league right now and with that move, you've made the Skins one of the elite teams at collapsing the pocket. Also, negates the need for a truly 'game changing' DE. Hell, Dexter Manley could roll in today and get double degit sacks with that line...
Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 23, 2009 1:11 PM"

We did get a guy to collapse the pocket. His name is Albert Haynesworth. You want to take a DT at 13? Our DTs are the best depth we have.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Proof right there that this guy doesn't know anything worth reading. And he proves it again and again.
Wait, JLC didn't spend 10 years as an NFL GM before getting this job?

Bizarre. JLC talks to people (he calls them 'sources'). He synthesizes a bunch of opinions into stories.
Right now, every one of his sources has ulterior motives; it's a 30-day poker game. Hide your cards, try to figure out what everyone else is thinking.

Posted by: daggar | March 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the Giants won't play the Pats, as the NFC east is playing the AFC west in inter-conference games this year.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Thurs nite opener: Steelers vs Ravens (AFC Champ rematch)

I read on SI it will most likely be Steelers Titans since the Ravens requested not to be embarrassed in primetime by the Steelers again.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

They already have players that have that potential and are still young enough to achieve that. They do not have an offensive line. Its a patchwork quilt of injured and aging players who can't make it through 16 games plus a preseason. This is not the case on the D-line.


I agree that the O-line needs to be addressed and would absolutely applaud the drafting of a tackle at the 13 spot...provided Raji is off the board. Though it pains me to say it, Thomas is the bigger problem and was the major contributor of the second half collapse (along with Jansen).

Buges is notorious for making public the ability of the players under him (isn't that right Todd Wade?). He loves Heyer and has stated that he couldn't name ten RTs in the league he feels are better.

That's good enough for me.

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Put me in the "trade back" (if a suitable trading partner can be found) camp. Very good RTs can usually be found in the late first-early second round area, and this year appears to be no exception. Pick up an extra high choice and draft a starting-quality strong-side 'backer, or maybe a LDE if Daniels doesn't want to sign for the veteran's minimum.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 23, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

He has an amazing story, as chronicled in "The Blind Side," and is a special kid who has overcome a great deal. He should be capable of handling the fame and fortune, and has incredible athletic ability.
...............

By Jason La Canfora | March 23, 2009; 12:47 PM ET |

This is what I am talking about. So SJK what there was book out that 'chronicled' his journey.

We have 2 capable Starting RTs on the 53 man roster RIGHT NOW. Why waste a #13 on a position that is a luxury when considering we are deplete at so many other positions (RB, DE, and LB)????

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We should be getting the prime-time lineup for the opening weekend of NFL games soon...

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have options selecting at #13. I foresee them either keeping the pick and selecting the best available SLB, RT, or LDE; or trading for a lower 1st and 2nd, then selecting the two of the best available OLB, T/G, C/G, or DE.

If they keep the pick, then the following players could be available at #13:

SLB -- Brian Cushing or Clay Matthews
RT -- Andre Smith or Michael Oher
DE -- Aaron Maybin or Everette Brown (Maybin could also make the team as a SLB)

If they trade down, then the following players could be available with lower selections during rounds 1 and 2:

OLB -- Clint Sintim or Larry English
T/G -- Duke Robinson, Eben Britton, Gerald Cadogan, or Jamon Meredith
C/G -- Max Unger, Alex Mack, or Eric Wood
DE -- Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers

Posted by: siris | March 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"We have 2 capable Starting RTs on the 53 man roster RIGHT NOW. Why waste a #13 on a position that is a luxury when considering we are deplete at so many other positions (RB, DE, and LB)????"


sometimes logic just need not apply......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Lions | Drafting J. Smith No. 1 overall?
Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:11:33 -0700

Updating a previous report, KFFL has learned the Detroit Lions are expected to select Baylor University OT Jason Smith with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. The Lions are currently negotiating with Smith, University of Georgia QB Matthew Stafford and Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry, but Smith is believed to be the Lions' choice, according to sources with intimate knowledge of the situation. An announcement could be made within the next two weeks.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the Giants won't play the Pats, as the NFC east is playing the AFC west in inter-conference games this year.
Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 1:21 PM
Ah, good point. I’ll go with Giants/Cowboys at the new stadium then…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

DE -- Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers

Posted by: siris | March 23, 2009 1:30 PM

It seems to me these are the guys who would be a better fit for the Skins. The others are more tweeners who who fit best in a 3-4. I also hear that Ayers played well against the SEC tackles going in the first round.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Redskins should address the O-line as priority #1, BUT if a franchise quality QB falls to our spot I wouldn't hesitate pull the trigger. Especially since this is a make or break year for Jason Campbell.

If Campbell does not return for whatever reason it would be much more difficult to find a franchise caliber QB than a tackle.

Posted by: A-Contrario | March 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"We have 2 capable Starting RTs on the 53 man roster RIGHT NOW. Why waste a #13 on a position that is a luxury when considering we are deplete at so many other positions (RB, DE, and LB)????"

What makes them "capable" starting RTs? Just because somebody has started before doesn't make it desirable to have them as your starter. I'd easily put Jansen on the same level as Wynn (and below Daniels if he re-signs), and I'd put Heyer on the same level as Blades. The difference? Our offense was horrendous with them in there. Defense, not so much.

And for the record, that's not saying that I'm satisfied with our situation at DE or LB. Just more dissatisfied with the RT situation.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

If Raji is available at #13, then it should take the Skins two seconds to submit his name to the commissioner. Raji could eventually be a long term replacement for Griffin or be used as trade bait to move down and gain extra picks.

That said -- most mock draft consensus show Raji will be selected in the top 10 (if not the top 5)...

Posted by: siris | March 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

since when is RB a position of need, or is that just too easy??

sorry I asked....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Jasno

‘....I'd stick with Michael Oher…...’


Ah, yes: nothing like the joy that comes with the safe bet (Oher)......thing is, you could still lose your money if the Wizards of Redskins Park are running the casino.

I still believe the team might look at the option of drafting a corner and say, "Why not?"

Another wacky thought might cross their minds, "Hey, Percy Harvin is going to be a killer. He showed on his pro day he can run routes from three positions, return kicks, and play out of the backfield. Let's take'em!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Prime Time games power rankings (depending on if these teams play each other next year):

AFC

(1) San Diego vs. Indianapolis

(2) New England vs. Denver

(3) Tennessee vs. Pittsburgh

NFC

(1) Washington vs. Philadelphia

(2) New York vs. Atlanta

(3) Dallas vs. New Orleans

My bet is on 2 of those games for opening weekend, one from each conference.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"I agree that the Redskins should address the O-line as priority #1, BUT if a franchise quality QB falls to our spot I wouldn't hesitate pull the trigger. Especially since this is a make or break year for Jason Campbell.

If Campbell does not return for whatever reason it would be much more difficult to find a franchise caliber QB than a tackle."
Posted by: A-Contrario | March 23, 2009 1:34 PM

If Campbell fails this year, then we worry about it next year.

I know there are plenty of Campbell critics who think that he is not the man, but to blow the #13 on QB would be the silliest thing imaginable.

If that were to happen, everyone would be calling for Vinny's head... not that it'll do much good...

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

moe, Florida receivers in the NFL is like oil/water...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

PSP - We are on a roll today. We're 2 for 2.

Greg - RB is similar to the redskins' Offensive Tackle positions. According to most people (not me though), we only have 1 starting caliber OT.

Well, we only have one quality starting RB, when most NFL teams have 2. We need an upgrade from Ladell.

Ladell = Leigh Torrence/Jon Jansen/Wynn

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

that should read: "Quarterbacks are not measured in absolutes." They have to be measured in terms of other QBs.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 12:54 PM

No matter how it reads it's BS.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Maske: Josh McDaniels calls Jay Cutler "our quarterback."

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/03/mcdaniels-calls-cutler-our-quarterback.html


Please tell me he had on the Elvis sunglasses and quivering lip when he said that...oh wait that was TO's 'my quarterback' so-long-dignity moment

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | March 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Updating a previous report, KFFL has learned the Detroit Lions are expected to select Baylor University OT Jason Smith with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft."

Now that's risky. There are a lot of fine tackles in this crop, but who can say that one is a lot better than the others? Jason Smith leapt to the top of the heap mostly because he lacks negatives associated with the tackles from Alabama and Mississippi.

If possible, Lions should package the pick along with a player they want to get rid of, for first-day draft choices. Maybe somebody likes that Georgia quarterback, or Aaron Curry from Wake.

Let's hope Smith turns out to be worth it. For Detroit's sake. I hate to see one of the early franchises falling on hard times.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Why would the redskins need Raji? The have Griffin and Haynesworth. Also Golston and Monty are expected to return b/c no one wants to give up draft picks. If they dont get the T they want they need to trade down. Last year the bears and lions reached with first round tackles in Chris Williams and Cherilus. If the pick isnt going to start day one we do not need him.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

4th, when Heyer was in there, they couldn't run to the right. When Jansen was in there he couldn't pass block. So tell me again how we have 2 capable RT's??

Again, rb is a need in your world...not so much in the NFL.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

you guys complaining about a QB need to get realistic. Draft OT if available and at least give this offense another year to click before going to the drawing board again. Then after this season if it is time to change we can manuever (potentially in an uncapped year) to grab Sam Bradford or whoever the TOP QB is next year instead of settling for Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: carsonspence | March 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Maske: Josh McDaniels calls Jay Cutler "our quarterback
Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009

Perhaps, but could you see a TO like sniffly teary eyed "he's my coach" coming from Jay. I'm just not seeing it yet.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

- If I was Detroit, I would not draft a QB #1....


RT is not a luxury on this squad, it is a need. I swear you take silly pills 4th.


Posted by: chrislarry | March 23, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think any of the top OTs will be available at 13th and taking Oher with that pick is too much of a reach for me. I think at this point trading back is the best option. the jets (for sanchez) or the ravens (WR - maybe heyward-bey) are among some of the teams that are going to be attempting to trade up. If we can move back and then get a second rounder, that's what should be done.

Whether it's Oher, Tyson Jackson, or Brian Cushing in the 1st round with a later pick and then Clint Sintim, Larry English, or one of the RT prospects in the 2nd (depending on the first round selection). We have three positions of need (RT, DE, and OLB) and we have to find some way to fill two of those starting positions.

Posted by: dcsports12 | March 23, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I see New England has three #2s to go along with their #1 which is 23rd overall.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

To the fools who think we need to "draft" yet another franchise quarterback and wait 3-5 years to see if its true ... I say:

Ryan Leaf, SD Chargers franchise qb.
Tim Couch, Cleveland Browns, franchise qb.
And Mr. Quinn seems to have lost favor in
Cleveland as has Mr. Alex Smith in San Fran.

Drafting a quarterback, given JC17's steady
progress and really excellent attitude ...
at this point would be FOOLHARDY!!!!! I have a
folly in England I'd like to sell to such
numbskulls.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Detroit, shockingly, is more than 1 player away, so ... if I'm them, I trade back for multiple picks around 10-15. Because I need a several good players, not 1 great player.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't take Stafford or Sanchez too high. They are both 6'2". Most of your successful NFL QBs are 6'5" or 6'6". Brees is the main exception.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I see New England has three #2s to go along with their #1 which is 23rd overall.

Posted by: skinfanman

wouldn't be surprised to see NE cough up a couple of those picks to trade with Detroit. Maybe grab that Wake Forest LB (Curry?) to go along with LB Mayo, who was defensive rookie of the year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

beantown

'...Florida receivers in the NFL is like oil/water...'

I hear ya', but Ike Hillard wasn't that bad. Neither was Chris Collinsworth.

I think Louis Murphy and the tight prospect Cornelius Ingraham will be excellent second day picks.

Reche Caldwell-- so-so
Taylor Jacobs-- bust
Darrel Jackson- so-so
Andre Caldwell- not that bad

I hate to say it, but I look at Harvin a lose my mind when I visualize him lining up opposite Moss/Cooley or returning punts/kicks.

Yes: This won't happen. But if it does....

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

We need tackles and guards like they had in the days of the hogs ... then it will again not matter whether the quarterback is a knucklehead who puts Kathy Lee Crosby in front of a superbowl (Theismann), a guy who can't handle a snap from center and isn't quick enough to get out of his guard's way after the snap (Rypien), or a guy who was really an MLB catcher (Schroder).

It would be nice if we could again watch the amazing adventures of Christian Adolph Jurgenson, but he was a rare and apparently impossible to find easily again. Far harder than a DeMarcus Ware or a Reggie Smith 4-3 type DE.

So, you create the best possible offensive line and use the running attack to set up the pass.

Only Jurgenson could pass first, and pass all game long driving defenders crazy with his look-in jump pass if they decided to try the "blitz". Only Jurgenson could bring a mediocre offense back from 21 points down to win 28-21 in the fourth quarter. He's not coming back.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Because the Redskins don't draft for need but take the best available player on draft day (Vinny's words) don't expect to be happy with what they do. Look for someone who is a gaurunteed jersey seller taken on draft day.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Detroit, shockingly, is more than 1 player away, so ... if I'm them, I trade back for multiple picks around 10-15. Because I need a several good players, not 1 great player.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 1:55 PM

zcezcest1,

I only hope that we come out of the draft with at least one good player.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

RT is not a luxury on this squad, it is a need. I swear you take silly pills 4th.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 23, 2009 1:50 PM

Luxury COMPARED to our more pressing needs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Tyson jackson is a 300 on DE. I like smith oher jackson or ayers. SEC lineman seem to be safe picks. That's 2 tackles and 2 d ends to choose from. Trading down for unger or Robinson is taking a huge chance at tackle

No way raji is there, and if we were thinking that we would have kept Evans and let golst or monty go

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The good news about our pick is that somebody will likely be there that the team can use. Personally, I'd take Raji as well and rotate some of these guys at DE. I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

10 games to go, best record in hockey ... that would be MY San Jose Sharks

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't be surprised to see NE cough up a couple of those picks to trade with Detroit. Maybe grab that Wake Forest LB (Curry?) to go along with LB Mayo, who was defensive rookie of the year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 1:58 PM

Teams picking in the top 5 have a hard time trading down because you're looking at paying those top picks so much. Plus those top picks are worth so much in the point system. It might be easier for the Skins to trade down from 13.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Greg - RB is similar to the redskins' Offensive Tackle positions. According to most people (not me though), we only have 1 starting caliber OT."

Make that 1/2 a starting, pro-bowl caliber tackle. He is coming off a serious injury that some do not ever recover from. It adds to his plethora of knee problems. The same is true for Thomas, Jensen. Heyer and Rabach are basically really excellent backups you can bring in as spot starters and for injuries during games.

Everyone here is more worried about JC17 than they are the lynch pin to the entire offensive line. There is no guarantee that Samuels will be able to come back and play 16 games PLUS again!

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

there is no chance that raji will be available at 13.

also, there is no way to justify taking him with the pick even if he was. there are too many other needs

Posted by: dcsports12 | March 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

At this point you have Dockery and that's it.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Luxury COMPARED to our more pressing needs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009"

Maybe we should reach up to the press box and bring down Jurgenson and Huff to play. Both are HOF pro bowl caliber at their respective positions. Many guys on the OL should be up in the booth with them. If you leave them on the field then let's bring down Jurgy and see if he can train JC17.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Jasno thinks we're picking Oher at #13? Peter King says he's going off the board between 6 and 8:

The Mississippi tackle is probably the second- or third-most athletic tackle in this draft, and the book among some teams after the scouting combine was big money in the first round would ruin him, because of his well-publicized upbringing on the poor side of Memphis. But Oher has impressed teams with his maturity and intelligence, and the fact is, he was adopted by an upper-class family in Memphis during his high-school years.

Some teams left the combine with the impression Oher, after a tough childhood, would be so overwhelmed by the money it might sap his desire to be great, as it did with several recent high picks (like Mike Williams the tackle and Mike Williams the wide receiver). Now that teams are investigating Oher more thoroughly, they're finding a more grounded kid than they'd previously thought. Oher is scheduled to visit the Bengals, who pick sixth in the first round, and it's not a reach to think he could go in the top six or eight.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/03/22/owners/1.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

leeguru

'...Because the Redskins don't draft for need but take the best available player on draft day (Vinny's words) don't expect to be happy with what they do. Look for someone who is a gaurunteed jersey seller taken on draft day....'


You need to join Moe for a beer.

That's why this morning I opened up with a cut-n-paste post about cornerbacks.

There's what bloggas want and then what the team will do.

Folks may need to give oup some of the Oher/Smith/Maybin/Orakpo/Curry fantasies and dream on some of the other players in the draft.

Like M Jenkins/A Smith.

Or Percy Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Seems like a good strategy to me -- draft the best player available and use free agency to fill the holes...

Over time the team's talent level will improve as the stronger players compete for more playing time and the older players are released before they start to break down.

Posted by: siris | March 23, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Phew! Also, pee-yew! I can see you aren't going to ace your SATs. Analogy-wise it goes like this. Element1->Class1 as Element2->Class2. Element2=Bernie Madoff, Class2=Successful Investing. In your reply to my comment, you twisted the forker into Element2=Investing with Bernie Madoff, Class2=Successful Investing. Also, in order for the analogy to be logically cornsistent, Element1 and Element2 have to be tbe same generic thing. You can't have Element1 being a person (Sports Guru) and Element2 being an action (Investing with Bernie Madoff). My advice to you - if you intend to apply to Harvard, enroll in one of them classes they offer to hone one's SAT skills.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 1:16 PM

Anton, Bore us later. Look, Madoff's investment technique was pretty clear: "Rob Peter to pay Paul." It landed him in jail.

Now, just tell me where to send the prospectus for talent_evaluator_fund. You can get in right after Dik.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Linebacker is not a pressing need if you move Wilson or Jackson to that position. Jackson is a DE purportedly. Montgomery can play DE. Wynn can play DE. Haynesworth's coach thought him more effective at DE. These guys are not coming off of serious injuries. Except for Wynn they are not Methusalahs.

On the OL you don't have anyone other than undrafted types they picked up at the end of last season.

They are in need of a running back. But they can manage with Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright for at least another year. It costs too much in salary cap to bench or release Portis.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Now, just tell me where to send the prospectus for talent_evaluator_fund. You can get in right after Dik.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009'

The kid is getting ready for his SAT's. What high school are you in Anton? Let me know when you take the GRE's and the advanced computer science section. We'll discuss Polya then.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Quick survey:

Rank the all-time best Redskin's named Vincent:

Vincent Promuto
Vincent Cerrato
Vincent Lombardi
Vincent Pacewic
Troy Vincent

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We should be getting the prime-time lineup for the opening weekend of NFL games soon...

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 1:29 PM

I have my Sharpie and my calendar ready! Fire away. Any chance they move it up to, say, weekend after the draft? I can feel the adrenalin coursing through my veins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"That's why this morning I opened up with a cut-n-paste post about cornerbacks.

There's what bloggas want and then what the team will do."

Have to admit I don't think they can rely on Hall, Rogers and Smoot. They do need a corner. But I think that need can be met through a propitious trade with someone like the Ravens.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Vince Promuto : guard from Holy Cross.
Vince Cerrato: Danny's court jester
and straight man.
Vince Lombardi: HOF coach of Packers and Redskins

Troy Vincent ... safety?

Pacewic?

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

4th, when Heyer was in there, they couldn't run to the right. When Jansen was in there he couldn't pass block. So tell me again how we have 2 capable RT's??

Again, rb is a need in your world...not so much in the NFL.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:48 PM


Janen was coming off an injury 'experts' say require 2 years to be fully healed. And Heyer started all of 2/3 games and was starting to beast out in the ARIZONA game.

If Heyer had got reinserted after his injury was healed, then we would have been better off. But JZ got superstitious on us.

Heyer did fine way back the year before when he was in the starting line up and we made the playoffs. and he was only a RFA back then. He should have been able to get his job back once the injury was healed.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I am not one to brag on the "4th best defense in the league" b/c that was a bit inflated (to me) but I can agree that its a good/solid unit. Now considering the resources already spent on it this off season with a few vet min contracts to go....and the complete ineptitude of the offense....I don't see how you not go O-line with the 13th or a traded back pick.

I just dont.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

peri

'...I don't think they can rely on Hall, Rogers and Smoot....'

Well, Samari Rolle, Dre Bly are out there.

I'd pay either one of them and cut Tyron along the way as they're definately an upgrade over what's behind Rogers/Hall/Smoot.

Such a move would obviate the need to draft a corner right now anyways.

But we'll see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Oher would be a steal at the thirteenth pick; however, with the interest out there for offensive tackles, I don't think he will be available. I agree that the linebacker of their dreams won't fall to them at 13 and I cannot see them trading up. I can see a scenario where they trade down for two second round picks, or some other combination of picks.

There are some quality interior linemen that could be had in the second round, which supports a strategy of trading down. They might be able to pick up a future starting center. Second round picks will be easier on the wallet, too, which fits better with Washington's cap constraints.

UVA linebacker Clint Sintim might be a possibility in the lower rounds. He is big and fast. I've got to believe Blache has an eye out for him. I don't know if he will be available when Washington's third round pick comes up, but maybe they could trade up for him.

UVA running back Cedric Peerman is another guy they should keep their eyes on in the lower rounds. He's got speed and he's one of those short running backs that can hide behind offensive linemen.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 23, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I was just thinking Dre Bly and am surprised the 'Skins haven't signed him yet. They tried to get him when Detroit traded him to Denver a few years ago.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen what round Antoine Caldwell from Alabama is expected to go?

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It costs too much in salary cap to bench or release Portis.

Posted by: periculum

Release Portis????

anyone thinking about Orakpo or Curry is dreaming, be realistic we have #13 not #5

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Dre Bly wanted big money from us back when we wanted him. We gave out our big money for DBs this year already. So, unless he wants to play for the Vets Min, I don't see him even sniffing around here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you SEC lineman OT's Oher or SMith, and DE's Jackson or Ayers.

In the event there all gone Cushing or Maybin, but our last USC guy was a bust, and our last Penn State guy was Arrington. We've had good success with SEC lineman........and DB's

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, it is what it is. Call it like it was, don't come with excuses about this or that. Jansen, regardless of his injury couldn't pass block. All that other stuff about 2 years recovery time, is just poppycock. He could not pass block well period. Nothing else. Heyer, was awful in the run game. Stuff that was being run to the right was getting blown up, and shut down period. What matters is what happened on the field, and the OL got old/tired/beat up, and the offense shut down the 2nd half of the season.

Read any NFL publication and it will state that OL is a NEED, specifically RT is the NEEDED position. RB, is a position of strength on this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I will say I am a bit suprised by all the focus and assumptions regarding the NEED for a RT at #13.

Yes the skins need young tackles. Yes our line is key, but at the same time while I do not love Jansen or Heyer, the combination provides a "serviceable" option at RT for a year (to wait for trade, FA, or a 3 - 6th round pick to develop). Also with Wynn (and looks like Daniels) plus the young guys we have services able pro DE's....not a dream but Hanesworth can help cover that wart.

What about LB who do we even have as a strong side option? H.B? puhlease...this is the scary area of need (especially if there is an injury to London or Rocky)...don't be shocked when the skins trade down to mid - low 1st round and get a LB then take a tackle with whatever 2nd or 3rd rounder they pick up in the trade.

Posted by: JLR75 | March 23, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Barbarino was a great, undrafted free agent talent for the late '70's skins - his nickname for the offensive line was eventually shortened from Sweathogs to just plain Hogs...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Peter King is worthless. Wasnt he one of the jackasses that had us picking up TO even though it was clear there was no interest. Quote Glazer or even Mortensen, dont bring that Peter King bs in here.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 360 (View Blog)
POSTED March 23 2009 2:17 PM BY Ryan O'Halloran

The NFL has finalized its performance-based pay distribution for the 2008 season and only two players received a bigger check than Redskins safety Chris Horton.

Horton earned $342,197 in PBP. Only San Diego guard Jeromey Clary ($405,859) and Arizona center Lyle Sendlein ($348,134).

Horton was one of nine Redskins to earn at least $100,000 in PBP.

The PBP program was established in 2002 and is a fund from NFL revenues to supplement salaries of players whose playing time in that season is disproportionate to their compensation. Basically, it allows players like Horton – who wasn’t expected to be a starter – a chance to earn money if he gets an in-season promotion. Horton became a starter in Week 4 and finished with 81 tackles. He made less than $400,000 during the season.

The PBP doesn’t count against a team’s salary cap. Every player who participated in at least one snap receives PBP, from Horton all the way down to G Devin Clark ($1,654). The established veterans don’t receive much in PBP because they’re making market value – DT Cornelius Griffin, for example, made only $12,036 in PBP.

The $100,000-plus club for the Redskins: Horton, LB H.B. Blades ($206,725), OT Stephon Heyer ($166,350), DT Lorenzo Alexander ($151,914), DT Kedric Golston ($143,420), DT Anthony Montgomery ($138,351), FS Kareem Moore ($131,936), DE Demetric Evans ($115,198) and DE Chris Wilson ($103,166).

I would love to see how these figures are compiled. Moore made five tackles all season I had Wilson on the field for fewer than 120 snaps all year.

-- Ryan O’Halloran

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Yes our line is key, but at the same time while I do not love Jansen or Heyer, the combination provides a "serviceable" option at RT for a year"

Are you kidding me?? Do you watch the games?? The combination of the two is serviceable, however, given that the rules of only having 11 guys on the field at a time, looks like only ONE of them can play at any given time.

Jansen was a turnstile, suddenly he's gonna turn back the clock, and be able to seal the edge on a pass rusher?? Count me as a guy who just doesn't see that happening.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

There are some quality interior linemen that could be had in the second round, which supports a strategy of trading down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 23, 2009 2:28 PM

I don't think that trading down is a "strategy." It might be a goal, but for the most part it is draft day luck -- someone is unexpectedly available at your spot that two or more teams want. Otherwise, you will not get fair value for your pick. Remember the 'Skins said they were looking to trade down when they chose Landry and they should have been in a great position to do so because the player taken after Landry was Adrian Peterson. Buffalo should have made a good offer to get Peterson instead of Marshawn Lynch.

Your own example -- two second round picks for #13 -- is a good illustration. If you look at the draft value chart, #13 is worth 1150 points. If you look at the first two picks in the second round, they are worth 580 and 560 points. So that trade would be roughly equal value. But, after that, the value of the picks drops ten points each pick. So, the fifth and tenth selections in the second round would only be worth 1010. That difference in value -- 140 points -- would be equal to the value of the 26th pick in the third round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

OK, how did Chris Wilson, who barely showed up, merit PBP of ... anything?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

BILLY McMULLEN had a fatal flaw. He couldn't catch consistantly without allowing the ball in to his body. Just doen't go in the NFL. If anyone saw the preseason, you could see it time and again. I think his going to SEATTLE speaks to the SEAHAWKS shortcomings more than BM's abilities as a receiver.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Quote Glazer or even Mortensen, dont bring that Peter King bs in here.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 2:38 PM

Your Highness,

Peter King was one of the first to call us picking up Haynesworth. The guy is well connected.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, now we know exactly what the Skins will not do. If Vinny reads JLC's "prediction" he will definitely go in the other direction.

Personally, I truly believe the Skins will draft a defensive player - maybe O line in the 3rd round (or later). If all the "hot" defensive players are taken, I think Vinny will try to trade our #13 pick.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 23, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

wiil_ga

'...Has anyone seen what round Antoine Caldwell from Alabama is expected to go?'


This guy is very good and would be an excellent pick up for us.

He plays both guard and center and played on a dominant line at Bama.

The thing is, Smith gets all the attention, but Caldwell looked very impressive during the Senoir Bowl game as did Wood, Unger, and Mack.

If we drafted by need, anyone of them would be great selections if they were there for the taking.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The '09 Wonderlic results....

http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2009 2:41 PM

These results are crap. If Matt Stafford could have scored a 38 on the Wonderlic, then he would have gone to Georgia Tech, not Georgia.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Talent,

Us signing Haynesworth was one of the worst kept secrets in the league. Even if that is correct and im not saying its not, I feel that he engages in too much on speculation rather than fact to be a so called insider.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Read any NFL publication and it will state that OL is a NEED, specifically RT is the NEEDED position. RB, is a position of strength on this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 2:35 PM

How many of these publications thought at the begining of the season that ARIZONA would have made it to the SuperBowl?

My point is those publications shoot almost as blindly as we do. Same in politics. Same in the economy.

I remeber when 'GlassHalfFull' would post who I considered a voice of reason in the blog.

Well, in this case, I am GlassHalfFull. In CR22's case, I am GlassHalfEmpty.

(Side note - RB situation needs to be looked at. Ladell isn't earning his paycheck like he is supposed to. CP26 has too many carries and we have too much money invested in him.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If a train leaves Chicago at 3pm and another train leaves St Louis at 4pm, what the heck does that have to do with how a guy will play in the NFL?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"OK, how did Chris Wilson, who barely showed up, merit PBP of ... anything?
Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 2:43 PM

Yeah, that's only seven & a half snaps a game for Wilson!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Just make it O L !!

Posted by: kls1 | March 23, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Steelers officials say the team will host Tennessee in the Sept. 10 opener on NBC:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/news/breaking/s_617399.html

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

1 down, 9 to go. We're gonna be Reee-itch, T_E!

...I'll probably be willing to forstall my takings if we can just get two quality OLinemen before the season starts!

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I would try to sign DANIELS. This would allow us to pick at #13 either an OLB or LEFT OT if superior talent were available. If not we might trade down with another club who had a pressing need in some other position. Then we could pick up a second allowing us to take a RIGHT OT and a fourth taking a second OLB. We stay under the cap, pick an OLB with our third, and a GUARD and CENTER with the fifth and sixth. We use MONTGOMERY and BATISTE where needed. If we have solid intel and make proper picks, we're golden. Of course to date in the SNYDER era, that hasn't worked too well.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 23, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

nate davis from ball state was on the big board at #80 a couple weeks ago, # 80 is us.

I don't want a QB, but this would make way more sense than a QB at #13

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

(Side note - RB situation needs to be looked at. Ladell isn't earning his paycheck like he is supposed to. CP26 has too many carries and we have too much money invested in him.)
Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 2:50 PM

He did earn his paycheck? Didn't he rush for 1,000 yards when CP went down in 06? After his performance, he was awarded big bucks.

I def agree that Betts should get more carries. But it wasn't going to happen until he was healthy enough to play, this past season. Zorn is the guy calling the plays. Playing time and carrys are not handed out by Betts, but rather by Zorn.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Steelers officials say the team will host Tennessee in the Sept. 10 opener on NBC:"

I got one right, we'll see what the other one is. I'm thinking the Haynesworth signing may put us in top-billing for the NFC, with an exciting up-and-comer as a possible opponent. Maybe Washington vs. Atlanta? I'd bet it will definitely feature two teams in the NFC East and/or NFC South. The teams themselves I can't say, as only Tampa Bay seems to have little primetime luster.

Posted by: psps23 | March 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

'...The '09 Wonderlic results....'


How does any normal red-blooded man sitdown to take a test where the highly suggestive word '..lic(k)..' is involved?

That's what makes me wonder.

(INSERT rimshot audio followed by bad pun groan with image of Rodney 'Moe' Dangerfield adjusting his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he gets in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Us signing Haynesworth was one of the worst kept secrets in the league.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 23, 2009 2:50 PM

Huh? I think there were two people who called this -- Peter King and some guy who broadcasts in Houston, Texas. Go back and look at this blog before the start of free agency. Jasno, the "Redskins Insider," said there was no way the 'Skins would get Haynesworth. Here's what he wrote on the eve of the draft:

"While Daniel Snyder's meeting with the agent for defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth drew lots of attention, many people around Redskins Park say they would be surprised if the Skins spent the kind of money it would take to land him. And if they did try to make that happen, it would leave them with other holes they could not fill. (I continue to say buyer beware when it comes to this guy, especially if he has the security of $30 million guaranteed in his pocket.)"

"Snyder and other owners meet with lots of agents at the combine - the Skins chatted with at least a half-dozen about free-agent deals, etc. - and, according to team and league sources, Dallas defensive lineman Chris Canty is someone they have significant interest in signing, and someone who is cost effective."

"The plan remains largely as it was more than a month ago - to try to re-sign DeAngelo Hall, plug gaps on the offensive and defensive lines with value free agents, and likely re-sign some of their aging veterans on the cheap as insurance (Pete Kendall, maybe Phillip Daniels)."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/redskins_like_chris_canty.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone here ever looked at the Wonderlic IQ test. http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

How can a NFL player, who got into college score anything less than a 40 on this is beyond me. I can see how you could run out of time but thats the only exception.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

1 down, 9 to go. We're gonna be Reee-itch, T_E!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 23, 2009 2:55 PM

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this. I think that you, Anton, and a few other early investors will be rich. Anton's already wired his funds.

I think I might be looking at life in the big house. And I mean the Big House, not the Big Mansion.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Dang, Percy Harvin scored a 12 on the Wonderlic. Could you imagine him and D. Thomas trying to figure out where to run on the routes? They'd be getting penalized for pushing off on each other!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 2:57 PM

Whhaa?

The 1,000 yard season was when CP26 was injured, not playing at the same time.

Gibbs didn't have Betts in there as much as Zorn did. Though Zorn said Zorn decides who is in the game, it was evident that CP26 still pulled himself ONLY when he wanted out of the game.

And the times JZ actually made it his perogative to keep Portis out the game, they lost it. (I forget the game off top of my head, but JZ benched Portis midway through the 3rd QTR and he was never inserted again. And the game was still close when he did it. But we lost.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Will_Ga

That's too funny. ..

"Dang, Percy Harvin scored a 12 on the Wonderlic. Could you imagine him and D. Thomas trying to figure out where to run on the routes? They'd be getting penalized for pushing off on each other!!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

How can a NFL player, who got into college score anything less than a 40 on this is beyond me.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:02 PM

An NFL player who got into college? Gee, Alex, do you think they might have different entrance standards for future NFLer's than they do for rocket scientist guys like you and me?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, Dik and TE - you're investing? I think Greg's got a whole bunch of bonus points that he's interested in getting rid of at a buyer's price...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

doubt it would happen, but I would love to see Eugene Monroe be available by the 13th pick.

Posted by: erleach | March 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

TE
I am guessing my Girlfriends 9 year old nephew who goes to school in texas could score a 40 on this thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, Dik and TE - you're investing? I think Greg's got a whole bunch of bonus points that he's interested in getting rid of at a buyer's price...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 3:12 PM

I don't touch 'em. The government has a new toxic asset program. Gregg should contact them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

doubt it would happen, but I would love to see Eugene Monroe be available by the 13th pick.

Posted by: erleach | March 23, 2009 3:13 PM

I heard on NFLN Casserly this weekend say that Monroe may be sliding out of the top ten because there are concerns about one of his knees. Apparently, the knee issue might be a chronic condition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ah, who's the fool now te, turns out bonus points are recession proof, and a buddy of mine told me about his investment advisor, Madeoff, or Maddoff, something like that....anyway gave the ENTIRE lot, MILLIONS of bonus points to this guy...haven't gotten a statement lately....strange....anyway, I'm sure I've made a KILLING in this market......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't touch 'em. The government has a new toxic asset program. Gregg should contact them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:16 PM

LMAO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Apparently, the knee issue might be a chronic condition."

Vinny thinks healthy knees are overrated.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 23, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

TE I am guessing my Girlfriends 9 year old nephew who goes to school in texas could score a 40 on this thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:13 PM

If he's nine-years-old in Texas, and weighs 220 pounds, then he doesn't need to take the test. He's got early admission to A&M or UT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Boston Herald reports that Pats-Bills, site TBD, will be the MNF season opener.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1160523&srvc=sports&position=3

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

te - yeah, more than likely the 9 year old has already signed a double secret letter of intent to A & M - and has aleady been given a high school diploma, pre-dated to 2018

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, they're reporting on sports radio up here that it will be in Foxboro.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure I've made a KILLING in this market......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 3:19 PM

If so, Congress will tax it at 90%. The term "bonus points" is very badly timed relative to the AIG scandal. You should try to give them back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins have already moved in this direction by signing Renaldo Wynn and looking to do a deal to bring Phillip Daniels back as part of a rotation opposite Andre Carter.

OT seems to be the move to make given where the team is drafting and the needs of the organization.

It is hardly plausible to believe that the team is really going to count on the self-proclaimed 2009 Pro Bowler, Jon Jansen, to start 16 games at RT.

As far as DE and LB go, I think at this point you target that #3 pick to see who drops that might hav been a pre-draft #1 or #2 pick and represents value.

It's also true that strongside linebackers are easier to find in veteran FA over the summer than the other positions of need on the team right now.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Vinny thinks healthy knees are overrated.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 23, 2009 3:20 PM

Vinny's not a legs guy? Vinny's a man-boobs guy?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

will_ga

funny yes:

'....Percy Harvin scored a 12 on the Wonderlic. Could you imagine him and D. Thomas trying to figure out where to run on the routes?..'


But watch a replay of the Nation Championship game, see Harvin light up the Sooners, and ask yourself why such a score matters when it comes to the game on the field?

Football players--like soldiers--are paid to 'do' not 'think'.

If they could think, they'd be sports agents, Wa Po sportswriters, or run AIG.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

no one seems to be picking up the phone.....keeps ringing, and ringing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

nate davis from ball state was on the big board at #80 a couple weeks ago, # 80 is us.

I don't want a QB, but this would make way more sense than a QB at #13

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:57 PM


Just read something on yahoo about this guy. He had a pro day and only 1 team showed up. The Colts because they were in close driving distance. Doesn't bode well for his prospects.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 23, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I did watch that game and he was impressive. I really don't think that test says anything about football ability or even football IQ. Alex Smith got a 40 and JC got a 23. I'd much rather have Jason making decisions than Smith. It might take him a little longer but they'd be better decisions!

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

DANA POINT, Calif. -- The Patriots closed the 2008 season on the road against the Buffalo Bills, and they're going to open the 2009 season against the Bills at home on "Monday Night Football."

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

it's time to replace the anchor that Samuels has been for the last 10 years.

Just as Dockery, Hayney, and Hall, replace the 2004 FA class that was our core for the past 5 years

OT makes perfest sense for us and as a value pick, shoudl be at least 1 of the top 5 OT's

This is a no-brainer even Cerrato can't miss, after you make the pick it's 50/50 at best that the player will pay off

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And Moe I am with you that Harvin would be a great pick at 13 this year had we not drafted Gimpy, Sleepy and Stupid all in the 2nd round last year at similar positions.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

nate davis from ball state was on the big board at #80 a couple weeks ago, # 80 is us.

I don't want a QB, but this would make way more sense than a QB at #13

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 2:57 PM


Just read something on yahoo about this guy. He had a pro day and only 1 team showed up. The Colts because they were in close driving distance. Doesn't bode well for his prospects.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84

So his stock is dropping, might make it make more sense

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow, then again, Heath Shuler got a 16. Maybe there is something to it.....naw, can't be. He was just all around bad.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, if Heath Shuler got a 16 on the Wonderlic, then he's probably in the top 5th percentile for his current job.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it are they drunk when they take the test?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I still think we should trade down.. I have seen a lot of mock drafts that have Oher going in the end of round one..Even if he went before us Eben Britton would still be there and from what I have seen and read he is a damn good Tackle too...Pick up one of those guys and then in your early second rounder hope either Clint Sintim the LB from UVA or Michael Johnson the DE from GT is still there and pick him up..two Starters right away.
I am so pissed we gave away our ssecond rounder for JT..If we still had that and traded down we could pick up Michael Johnson and Sintim. A draft of Oher, Sintim, and Johnson would be unreal.

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 23, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Report: Owners May Move NFL Draft to February PFT

That would make for a long drought till camp starts!!!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it are they drunk when they take the test?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 3:49 PM

Alex,

Why do you think they get paid to do manual labor and you get paid to use your brain to sit at a desk and blog about their low scores on the Wonderlic? In economics, we call this "comparative advantage."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If we think of last year as on the job training for Vinny, and he learns from the pain of the JT and Erasmus James lost picks and starts to see draft picks as something to gather instead of get rid of, then maybe we have a brighter future ahead of us on draft days.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

posse

'....had we not drafted Gimpy, Sleepy and Stupid all in the 2nd round last year...'

Who's to say they won't overload at the position again?

In a need based world, the 13th pick should be a starting rt.

But in the redskins' FO world, the sexy, splashy 'best player availible' is always the need as it's never the 'best decision/choice' to be made.

I wouldn't put it past the team to be presently kicking the tires Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, or--later on in the draft--Derrick Williams all in the name of 'best player availible'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I just think even people with manual labor jobs should be able to handle that stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot get in trouble with the speed of the Wonderlic more than just the difficulty of the questions. The pressure starts to mount if you get bogged down on one or two.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Will,
Thats the only thing I could see happening to cause one to just tank the test. But I never looked at the thing before now. I always thought it was closer to the SAT then the Facebook IQ test

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, now-a-days, everything is done for the kids - they've got laptops, cellular phones, calculators and all sorts of what not to do the thinking for them - when they get to a simple test like the Wunderlic, they can't handle it....When I was a kid, I used to tell time on a sundial, and I used an abacus to do simple math...so things have changed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Boston Herald reports that Pats-Bills, site TBD, will be the MNF season opener.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1160523&srvc=sports&position=3

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 23, 2009 3:24 PM | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Belicheat is providing a complementary video cam feed to ABC/ESPN...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins should draft anyone that can correctly spell Wunderlic

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Phillies star Jimmy Rollins is going to do Playboy with his girlfriend. The couple are doing a fashion spread in swimsuits and other clothes. Fox Sports.com

Why be in Playboy if she's gonna keep her clothes on? Just do GQ and call it a day.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Stay Classy Philly.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

memba Clemens wife and the six pack abs... little did we know..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

W U N D E R L I C

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hear a jolly fat german man try and pronounce it.

VOUINDERLEEK

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sample wonderlic test.

http://walterfootball.com/draftwonderlic.php

The real one is 50 questions in 12 minutes and the average score is a 21.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hear a jolly fat german man try and pronounce it.

VOUINDERLEEK

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:21 PM |
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
sounds like a Flomax versus Depends decision.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.wonderlic.com/

This is how you spell it.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Go for Oher. Defense was not our big problem last year. It was the offensive line either getting hurt or too tired by season's end. We need a young body (bodies) on the offensive line.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 23, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I just think even people with manual labor jobs should be able to handle that stuff.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:03 PM

You know, Alex, you probably need to get out a little more. That is a really elitist attitude. What do you think -- that they deliberately make low scores? Maybe they don't have the same mental acuity or educational advantages that you've had. And, they probably think that you ought to be able to run a faster 40 and to do more reps with 225 pounds.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Go for two OL studs like we did in 82? or 81?
Mark May and Russ Grimm.. How'd that work out??

Ahhh, but Vinny will take the best punter available...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

When I was a kid, I used to tell time on a sundial, and I used an abacus to do simple math...so things have changed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 4:10 PM

But did you have a good enough score on the Wonderlic so that Alex won't look down on you?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

do you get a calculator on the wonderlic?

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | March 23, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

T_E no need to fear elitism when its from obtainable talents and skill.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

apparently, I'm broke, based on what I'm hearing regarding my bonus points......um....how could this have happened............

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

draft more receivers

Posted by: nativedc | March 23, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

braker19cleartheline

They are logic questions mostly, no hard arithmetic outside of pattern recognition.
IE: What comes next in the pattern

22, 21, 19, 16, 12, _?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

apparently, I'm broke, based on what I'm hearing regarding my bonus points......um....how could this have happened............

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,
You may remember you invested in the bonus point 401K sadly the company you had invested in had invested entirely in AIG

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

wonderlic = pencil + paper only.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

7

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Anywhere in the wonderlic that tests if you can make at LEAST two Reads for an open WR in the Red Zone??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Geesh Greg, I'm so sorry to hear that.

I read somewhere the bonus points were based on derivatives or some such non-sense.

What's a derivative anyway?

Aren't derivatives something that guy Madoff was selling?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 23, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

FROM VITO STELLINO OF THE FLORIDA TIMES-UNION… The Jaguars appear to be taking a close look at former Southern California quarterback Mark Sanchez. Sanchez was scheduled to meet Sunday night with a Jaguars scout, according to Scout.com. Sanchez was then scheduled to fly to New York to meet with the Jets and go to Washington to meet with the Redskins. Sanchez and Matthew Stafford of Georgia are rated as the top two quarterbacks in the NFL Draft. Gene Smith, the Jaguars’ general manager, was traveling to Dana Point, Calif., on Sunday to attend the league’s owners’ meetings and was not available for comment.

What struck me reading this item was not the Jaguars bringing in Sanchez, but the ‘Skins showing an interest in the USC quarterback. Clearly, the ‘Skins are doing their due diligence as it relates to the quarterback position. They have to feel a little uneasy with the play of Jason Campbell, and as I’ve written many times, they’ll be looking for a quarterback at this time next year.

So how do the ‘Skins now say they’re not interested in the Cutler derby if that ever gets off the ground? If they’re looking at Sanchez and are willing to fly him into Washington, then they have to be interested in Cutler.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/diner-morning-news-edwards-on-the-move/

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 23, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If they’re looking at Sanchez and are willing to fly him into Washington, then they have to be interested in Cutler.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 23, 2009 4:50 PM

Not really. Sanchez is a much cheaper and more obtainable option than Cutler.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

This guy on anyone's radar yet?

Sebastian Vollmer - Houston Cougars- OT. 6'8" 314. Projected as an early day 2 pick. I would think he could bulk up a little into a beast.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"This guy on anyone's radar yet?

Sebastian Vollmer - Houston Cougars- OT. 6'8" 314. Projected as an early day 2 pick. I would think he could bulk up a little into a beast."

They should ALL be on Snidley's and Vinnie's radar. Clearly drafting just one will not do. As we have seen with past drafts of OL types (last year Rhinehart). Plus I think it helps Bugel to fill his plate with rookies, force him to get them ready to start and play instead of favoring veterans who are trying to eke out another year or two. Its clearly bad for the team at this point to do that. They need to draft as many as possible. Including center/guard types.


Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

MSNBC...federal study out today of more than half a million men and women shows higher heart risk for those who eat a lot of processed meat...

Tomorrow's daily waste of tax dollars will be a 250 million dollar study that shows people who stay up all night blogging on RI are often sleepy the next day.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"If they’re looking at Sanchez and are willing to fly him into Washington, then they have to be interested in Cutler.

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 23, 2009 4:50 PM

Not really. Sanchez is a much cheaper and more obtainable option than Cutler.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009"

Yep, they rookie pool is definitely available and so far they have been carefully protecting it.

They have not been able to sign a free agent OL as yet because of the limits they have on the salary cap. Their only real choice is to use rookies as starters ... to acquire and carefully use more draft picks for positions where they have to the most need.

Vinnie convinced management (Smidely) to allow him to draft the best value/athlete available last year. Cerrato failed miserably.

I believe Vinnie will be instructed to draft based on need first and wait until the later rounds (if they don't trade those) to draft the best athlete available. I doubt that GM Snidely will give Vinster the Hamster much leeway in this draft given the risks.


Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Not to worry - the second round of President Obama's stimulus package has a specific line item for assistance for those holding toxic bonus points.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

7

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 23, 2009.

In binary it would be 0111 or 7 Hex or
111 7 Octal.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

150 Million FA dollars on Defense. Zero left for the most glaring need, and Offensive Line.
Buges should of quit after last years draft and again this year..and again and again..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

T_E no need to fear elitism when its from obtainable talents and skill.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 4:36 PM

Alex,

"Me, smart; them, stupid" sounds pretty elitist to me. Especially with your accompanying soundtrack: Were they drunk? Looks like a Facebook IQ test. Even people with manual labor skills should be able to do it. My girlfriend's 9 year old nephew could score a 40.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

A draft of Oher, Sintim, and Johnson would be unreal.

Posted by: jeffco01

I like the way you think. I'd settle for 1 solid first year starter at #13

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Elway counted out his Wonderlic with his right hoof..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Well, now we know exactly what the Skins will not do. If Vinny reads JLC's "prediction" he will definitely go in the other direction.

Personally, I truly believe the Skins will draft a defensive player - maybe O line in the 3rd round (or later). If all the "hot" defensive players are taken, I think Vinny will try to trade our #13 pick.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 23, 2009"

Vinnie had his chance last year. And really screwed the pooch. GM Snidely will draft Andre Smith or his ilk. However, if he isn't available barring a trade to pick up more picks he will likely draft a linebacker/defensive end. But I suspect they will indeed fire off a trade to get as many picks as they can and they will draft for need and not for "best athlete available" not trusting Vinnie's idea of "best athlete" for the value.

Drafting a constantly injured wide receiver and one with a Brandon Lloyd attitude, a tight end who couldn't play the specials, and a tackle (Rhinehart) who has a confidence problem like Taylor Jacobs did cannot have helped Vinnie's cause. Even with Snidely perhaps especially with Snidely ... might as well go up to the booth and ask Jurgenson and Huff who they would draft.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

When I was a kid, I used to tell time on a sundial, and I used an abacus to do simple math...so things have changed.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston

You had the SUN, you were lucky

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

a specific line item for assistance for those holding toxic bonus points.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 23, 2009 5:15 PM

Sorry, but it will never pass Congress. Anyone who's holding anything with the word "bonus" in it will be hauled before Congress and branded a greedy gouger. He's going to be a poster boy for greed: Greg the Greedy Gouger.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Buges should of quit after last years draft and again this year..and again and again..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 5:18 PM

Well, he did do pretty well with a 12th round draft pick named Joe Jacoby.

Heyer = Jacoby?

Only time will tale. That and NOT drafting a T @ #13......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You had the SUN, you were lucky

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 5:24 PM

He lives in Houston. That's one of their specialties. Another one is humidity.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that. Jacoby was undrafted.

Even better.

RFA = RFA

Therefore,

Heyer = Jacoby

(possibly)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

You had the SUN, you were lucky

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 5:24 PM

LOL...PaBrian.. you raised in Gitmo??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"What about LB who do we even have as a strong side option? H.B? puhlease...this is the scary area of need (especially if there is an injury to London or Rocky)...don't be shocked when the skins trade down to mid - low 1st round and get a LB then take a tackle with whatever 2nd or 3rd rounder they pick up in the trade.

Posted by: JLR75 | March 23, 2009'

Where's the guard to backup Dockery and Thomas? Where's the center to backup Rabach? Where's the tackle to backup Samuels. Its not Jasen. If Heyer is playing right tackle it can't be him and he isn't really a starting left tackle type?
Rhinehart? Bugel doesn't think he can handle it. And he was DRAFTED in the THIRD whereas Heyer, who played and started as a rookie, was UNDRAFTED. So how is it that Heyer is still so high on the depth chart given that he does not have the athleticism needed?

Linebacker ... Blades is far more "serviceable" at that linebacker position than what you have on the offensive line. You have Jackson, a draft pick, you have Chris Wilson both could be converted, and they may resign Washington ...
perhaps even Andre Carter ...

The OL is far more "needy", there is no doubt.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"No matter how it reads it's BS.Posted by: learnedhand1 "

Hmmm... another sophisticated argument advanced by the spirit of the Great Adjudicator.

I s'pose it's better than "so's your old man..."

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Where's the guard to backup Dockery and Thomas? Where's the center to backup Rabach?

Antoine Caldwell. Alabama. All 3 positions backed up with one pick.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Heyer = Jacoby?

Only time will tale. That and NOT drafting a T @ #13......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009"

Definitely NOT DRAFTING defense at #13 unless its a cornerback. The linebackers and DE's are not sure things. Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson? Buzzbee? They can't do it?

Heyer != != != Jacoby ... not even close ....

Where's Bostic? Where's Grimm? Where's Mark May (a first rounder), no Ron Saul, no Ray Brown, no Mark Schlereth, no Raleigh McKenzie.

They aren't there, dude. Heyer would never make a team with those guys on it.

Haynesworth, Montgomery, Golston, Jackson, Wilson, Griffin, Carter, Fletcher, McIntosh, Blades ... that should be enough to last a year don't you think?

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Heyer = Jacoby?

Jacoby beat out a high first round tackle in Mark May for the left tackle position.

Do you really think that Heyer could beat out a Chris Samuels? Or even a Jake Long?

Jacoby was a rare case. And he moved to the right when they traded for Jim Lachey.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Antoine Caldwell. Alabama. All 3 positions backed up with one pick.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009"

Not if you live on the 4th floor. HB Blades and Rocky McIntosh (both draft picks) must really suck because you have no one at linebacker. London Fletcher is a joke when you live on the 4th floor.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Antoine Caldwell. Alabama. All 3 positions backed up with one pick.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 5:38
Needs to improve his pulling skills at guard tho.

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

talenteval: "...Madoff's investment technique was pretty clear: "Rob Peter to pay Paul."

Or near the end, 'Rob Peter, forget to pay Paul.'

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Im telling you...trade down and pick up oher or britton with your first pick and then clint sintim to fill your LB need and call it a day...With the 3rd round pick draft a DE

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 23, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Vinny insists he's going to draft the best player available, regardless of position. So forgetting position, who are the 13 best players available?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"What about LB who do we even have as a strong side option? H.B? puhlease...this is the scary area of need (especially if there is an injury to London or Rocky)...don't be shocked when the skins trade down to mid - low 1st round and get a LB then take a tackle with whatever 2nd or 3rd rounder they pick up in the trade.

Posted by: JLR75 | March 23, 2009"


Puuuhlease ... Terrel Suggs :"yeah you guys were depleted". He didn't say that about HB Blades now did he. After he completely crushed the guy they sent out to play left tackle and put him on the IR. But hey Rhinehart didn't have "the confidence" to do it.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny insists he's going to draft the best player available, regardless of position. So forgetting position, who are the 13 best players available?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009"

Let me know when Danny says it then I will believe it. Vinnie is the VP of playing with himself.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart and Fabani were both inactive for the Ravens game. So in hindsight -- assuming the any NFL team could anticipate losing both starting tackles in the same game -- I'm sure the Skins would have made Fabini active...

Posted by: siris | March 23, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Scratch that. Jacoby was undrafted.

Even better.

RFA = RFA

Therefore,

Heyer = Jacoby

(possibly)

Posted by: 4thFloor

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No doubt, Buges does well with little.. But, he does get the short end of the preverbial (sp?) Draft stick each year.
Cant imagine what was going through Buges head during those 16 regular season games last year, every time he walked past Devin Thomas, and Malcom Kelly sitting on the bench doing absolutely nothing. How many catches did those two make combined?? 18 total?? for nearly 10 million dollars ..(for both,incl bonuses).

Whereas for the same amount of money (a portion going to OL free agents) and those 2 draft picks, Buges could of overhauled at least 4 positions on the Offensive Line.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

A question, Can Heyer play guard, if so then drafting a RT, and having Heyer shift to guard would be an option and then have Jansen and Thomas play out their contracts as B-ups. I hate that for Jansen, because he is a stand up guy and a true REDSKIN but I think the age of his legs can be counted in dog years due to all the injuries. I am curious if Heyer can play guard if anyone knows please respond.

70 and sunny in SC

Posted by: Deadfish | March 23, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

doubt it would happen, but I would love to see Eugene Monroe be available by the 13th pick.

Posted by: erleach | March 23, 2009 3:13 PM

I heard on NFLN Casserly this weekend say that Monroe may be sliding out of the top ten because there are concerns about one of his knees. Apparently, the knee issue might be a chronic condition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009 3:16 PM

WOW, no kidding? I saw a mock draft that said he would go to the skins for the 13th pick, and thought "yeah right". But if thats the case, he might be around.

Posted by: erleach | March 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

RFA = RFA

Therefore,

Heyer = Jacoby

(possibly)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 23, 2009 5:29 PM |


Uhhhhh still no. Jacaoby was a 12 year starter (including rookie year), 4 time Pro Bowl selection, 2 time first team All Pro selection, who anchored one of the most successful lines in pro football and dominated at his position until injuries started to get him later in his career.

Heyer is a pretty good right tackle who may become a starter some day, but should definitely make a reliable back up if not.

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I heard on NFLN Casserly this weekend say that Monroe may be sliding out of the top ten because there are concerns about one of his knees. Apparently, the knee issue might be a chronic condition.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009 3:16 PM

WOW, no kidding? I saw a mock draft that said he would go to the skins for the 13th pick, and thought "yeah right". But if thats the case, he might be around.

Posted by: erleach | March 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

A knee condition sounds like the kinda guy who becomes a Vinnyskin

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

A knee condition sounds like the kinda guy who becomes a Vinnyskin

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Might as well start calling them the Vinny Kneeskins.

Posted by: visionof75 | March 23, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Barring a trade down, drafting the 13th best overall player regardless of position is the way to go. the guy would either be a starter or replace one soon enough. It gets us younger and keeps payroll down. works good enough for the steelers.

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Here's one list I might consider of the best 13:
1. Aaron Curry, LB, Wake
2. Michael Crabtree, WR, Tech
3. BJ Raji, DT, BC
4. Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
5. Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
6. Malcolm Jenkins, DB, O-State
7. Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
8. Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
9. Everette Brown, LB, Fla. State
10. Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
11. Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
12. Ray Maulauga, LB, USC
13. Brian Cushing, LB, USC

See any natural right tackles in there? Or DBs, to speak of? This is a draft full of LBs and DTs. And some left tackles.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Samson, I wondering if it's that much of a stretch to make a college LT a pro RT?

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The top 13?

Scouts Inc. has a different list ... noting that they appear to do the best at picking what teams will go for in terms of the draft and free agents.

1. Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
2. Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3. Jason Smith LT Baylor
4. B.J. Raji DT Boston College
5. Eugene Monroe LT Virginia
6. Brian Orapko DE Texas
7. Mathew Stafford QB Georgia
8. Andre Smith OT Alabama
9. Mark Sanchez QB USC
10. Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State
11. Aaron Maybin DE Penn State
12. Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
13. Everette Brown DE Florida State

3 offensive tackles.
2 quarterbacks.
2 wide receivers.
3 defensive ends.
2 outside line backers.
1 cornerback.
1 defensive tackle.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"Samson, I wondering if it's that much of a stretch to make a college LT a pro RT?

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2009"

Smith and Monroe are considered franchise left tackles. They could play right tackle but that would be a waste of a draft pick.

Andre Smith is a wild card as he can play both tackle positions and guard. Potentially the best tackle of all because of his arm length and quick feet. But that would also make him a great guard. Its why even Jester Vinnie could not pass up the opportunity to put this guy with Bugel and the gang. Here's a guy who could fill in at a guard spot, right or left tackle.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Another franchise QB that has been less than enchanting ... possibly because of his supporting staff:

JeMarcus Russell. This would be his 3rd year.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

What about concerns that Smith has a chronic knee problem. Don't we already have enough of those guys?

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Barring a trade down, drafting the 13th best overall player regardless of position is the way to go. the guy would either be a starter or replace one soon enough. It gets us younger and keeps payroll down. works good enough for the steelers.

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009"

They have way too many needs and way too few draft picks in 4. So, do you think Bill Parcells chose the best athlete available when he chose Jake Long as the very first pick in last year's draft? An OT that will anchor Miami's line for year's to come?

You always draft based on both need and best athlete available. Unless you are Vinnie and you make 10 - 1 worthless picks. Should they have drafted a safety when they had LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor? Seems kind of silly no?

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"What about concerns that Smith has a chronic knee problem. Don't we already have enough of those guys?

Posted by: edvar | March 23, 2009 "

I think Andre Smith has chronic weight problems not knee problems. Although he will have them if they don't get his weight under control.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Might as well start calling them the Vinny Kneeskins.

Posted by: visionof75

props for funniness

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

samson

The sad thing about your list is that we could use a second rounder and an additional third to collect 4 picks of the kind of players we need.

A lot of good corners, wlbs, slbs de, types will slide down in the second and high third round, and those teams with multiple picks will feed like sharks.

So it begs the question: who would trade a high pick from 2010 to acquire a 2nd and 3rd in this draft?

That would give the team 4 picks in rounds 1-3 and leave it picks in rounds 4 and 5.

The team could acquire a de, rt, c/g, slb and as each would be a high round guy, know it has players of value.

Any takers?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Wyche sees 4 OT's going before the Redskins pick in his mock 3.0, including Oher. That would mean that the Eagles are going to have to trade up to ensure they get the guy they want ... The 4 OT's would be the heaviest drafted position at the top of the draft.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

They have way too many needs and way too few draft picks in 4. So, do you think Bill Parcells chose the best athlete available when he chose Jake Long as the very first pick in last year's draft? An OT that will anchor Miami's line for year's to come?

postd by periculum

Yes I think he took the best athlete in Jake Long, you can't teach BIG

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith had chronic badassery in college

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

peri

'...Should they have drafted a safety when they had LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor...'

Words of wisdom and the truth.

In this blog, folks crave dudes they think the team needs. But in the redskins war room, history suggests loading up on what we already have, damning the needs.

It makes you wonder how much weeping and crying will commence on draft day if the team snatches a corner or wide out with the 13th pick--'cuz that might very well happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

mistaMoe but if you had to pick today #13, #80, #142, & ?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Some folks like Phil Loadholt.

Where's he projected?

Seems like if the team takes some detour with the 13th pick, the third rounder might be a need pick.

Is that guy Loadholt?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

'....#13, #80, #142, & ?...'


Those numbers must change, despite what folks think.

And I don't want to hear anything about sacrificing the future when what the team needs--trench performers--dominate the draft.

I'd give up a high pick and a player (Sleepy Davis?) to get a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year.

That would give me four picks in rounds 1-3. It would allow me to take a 'best' player at 13 (even if it's a wide out or or cornerback), and draft for trench needs with three other high picks.

You can't lose with the stuff I use, son.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I saw a trade down scenario with Miami where we'd get 2 - 2nd rounders. Miami is supposedly wanting a premiere CB with the #13.

Can you imagine adding a premiere CB to our secondary which was our strength last year + fletcher of course

I would take Smith or Oher

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

You can't lose with the stuff I use, son.

Posted by: MistaMoe

you still haven't picked

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

#80 M. Freeman OLB or Paul Kruger DE
#142 Jasper Brinkley ILB
6th rnd - Cary Harris CB

I saw these names out there

if you had to take at #13 though...who

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Trade up and take Curry from Wake Forest (if he's as good as people seem to think). Yeah, its expensive, but this team will need to win with defense.

The Skins have invested all of their top 10 draft picks on defense (Rogers, ST21, Landry) and their 2 biggest contracts (Albert and Hall).

So get another stud who will add to this team's area of strength.

Get Curry and dominate on defense. That's your theme for 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

if loins 1st pick is a OT which i hope, and if other is not there at 13, trade down to the loins 20th pick and 2nd round pick and draft britton OT at 20 and if jarron gilbert is there at the 33 pick take him. gilbert is the same size reggie white was and can move. he can play DE on first and 2nd and on 3rd and long move him inside next to big al and have wilson play DE on 3rd. gilbert will make a great passer from the middle on 3rd downs and great run stopper at DE on 1st and 2nd.

Posted by: frankluckett | March 23, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe why so down on Davis. Check out the last 2 games of the year (Philly, and SF)in which the skins used more two TE sets. Davis was stoning people at the LOS. I see big things from him.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith has man-boobs. (hopefully Vinny is attracted to that).

Seriously, Andre Smith is a monster & was one of the pillars of Alabama's great season last year.
-----------------------
KRAMER: You know, Frank can't be too comfortable with those things clanging
around. He should wear something for support.

GEORGE: You mean like a bra?

KRAMER: A bra is for ladies. I'm talking about a support undergarment
specifically designed for men.

Posted by: cprob001 | March 23, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

"So, do you think Bill Parcells chose the best athlete available when he chose Jake Long as the very first pick in last year's draft?"

It's not best athlete. It's best football player. Surely you've heard it said: 'he's not an athlete, he's a football player."

Parcells likes to build from the line out anyway, and that made the decision.

We'll see how it works out this season.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"Samson, I wondering if it's that much of a stretch to make a college LT a pro RT? Posted by: edvar"

Happens fairly often but only as a stopgap until the LT spot becomes available. Rightly or wrongly, teams tend to value LTs over RTs.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "So it begs the question: who would trade a high pick from 2010 to acquire a 2nd and 3rd in this draft?"

You must be the reincarnation of Bob Beathard. That's what he liked to do. OF course, it frequently didn't work out, and he swore never to do it again, but then nest year rolled around...

But a first for a second and third? No way. Maybe a second and a fourth or fifth. Remember, a 2010 choice is a pig in a poke -- you don't know where the team will finish.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"The team could acquire a de, rt, c/g, slb and as each would be a high round guy, know it has players of value.

Any takers?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009"

I agree with the scenario that has them with 2-3 (or more HIGH 2nd rounders) plus a couple of 3rd rounders if they could manage trades for them. Moving down a couple of times in the 1st.

BUT ONLY if they keep Vinnie away from the draft board and choose for NEED FIRST, best athletes within those boundaries.

So, Tackle/Guard, Guard/Center, OLB, corner back, kicker, running back in that priority order. NOT 2 broken down wide receivers and a tight end who can't play on the specials. NOT an underachieving tackle.

Tackle / Guards, Guard / Centers, OLB, corner back, kicker and running back.

If they had followed this priority scheme last year they might have been able to avoid the big slide and get into the playoffs. They would also be in better shape this year.

Vinnie should follow Bethard and Casserly out of football and Jim Bowden out of baseball.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW, they already have TOO MANY DE's. They need to either convert the lighter / faster one's to linebackers or cut them. They aren't on the specials and they end up too often on the inactive list.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"Check out the last 2 games of the year (Philly, and SF)in which the skins used more two TE sets. Davis was stoning people at the LOS. I see big things from him.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009"

Specials, specials, specials, specials.
Sellers plays on the specials. He can play tight end. Yoder?

And we needed Davis? A decent fullback who could potentially be the feature back would have been a better choice don't you think?

Snyderato ... the unfortunate epitomy of serendipity strategy when it comes to the draft and free agency.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe why so down on Davis. Check out the last 2 games of the year (Philly, and SF)in which the skins used more two TE sets. Davis was stoning people at the LOS. I see big things from him.

Posted by: TWISI

I agree Davis was a beast in the single back 2 TE that we used late in the year, looked like a gibbs formation. He didn't drop any balls that i recall and when he gets into space...freight train a comin'.

Davis could be the first 2nd rounder to make a big impact. He could get mismatches and be a big red zone target, since people gotta cover Cooley first

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 23, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

And leave it to the Steelers to find Tomlin...makes me sick how they seem to do everything right.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 19, 2009 8:27 AM |

Them replacing Tomlin isn't the big deal you make it out to be. The team he inherited had just won the Super Bowl and was built by Cowher. With minor changes it won another SB two years later in 2008. It was sort of like Seifert taking the juggernaut that Walsh had built and taking another victory lap around the track with it.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 22, 2009 10:03 PM |

A few additional details about the "minor changes" (or should it be miner changes? - steel is made from iron ore, which is mined from the ground) mentioned in the original post:

1. The Steelers lost Wizenhut (OC) and Grimm (OL coach) but offense wasn't their metier in 2006 or 2008 so no big deal here.
2. There were a few players who left (say Portis and Better) between 2006 and 2008, but them leaving opened the door for better players (Parker and Harrison).
3. Most importantly, Roethlisberger matured a lot between 2006 and 2008, which I failed to mention in my original post. As we all know, QB is the most important position on a football team. In the 2006 SB, Roethlisberger almost singlehandedly lost the game for the Steelers and had the lowest QB rating ever. In 2008 he was the hero, bringing his team from behind to score the winning touchdown in the last minute of the game. So Tomlin not only had the team that Cowher built, but he also benefitted from something that Cowher did not have - a mature Roethlisberger - without which Tomlin would never have won the SB.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"Happens fairly often but only as a stopgap until the LT spot becomes available. Rightly or wrongly, teams tend to value LTs over RTs.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009"

They are usually the better athlete and are capable of playing multiple positions along the line. Often seem to be ex-quarterbacks.

It makes sense to always draft a pure left tackle who can play right as the Redskins saw in Joe Jacoby who played LT, RT and guard before he retired. Russ Grimm who could play center and guard. Lachey the same but best at left tackle (all pro). Raleigh McKenzie : tackle and guard. Ray Brown: tackle and guard. All at a very high level.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

A team can not suceed without a solid offensive line. Bad o-line's ruin young quaterback's. We can't delay the rebuiling of our line any longer. It has to be the 1st priority. We got lucky to get Dockery back. If we get a tackle in the draft, will we be headed in the right direction and hopefully Jason Cambell's production will increase with the improvement's made to the line.

Posted by: hank7216 | March 23, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis was stoning guys? Hmmm, then why did Portis average 3 yards a carry in those last 2 games? I didn't see the Philly game -- and Davis didn't look impressive to me vs SF.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 23, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"peri

'...I don't think they can rely on Hall, Rogers and Smoot....'

Well, Samari Rolle, Dre Bly are out there.

I'd pay either one of them and cut Tyron along the way as they're definately an upgrade over what's behind Rogers/Hall/Smoot.

Such a move would obviate the need to draft a corner right now anyways.

But we'll see what happens.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009

Moe,

I was just thinking Dre Bly and am surprised the 'Skins haven't signed him yet. They tried to get him when Detroit traded him to Denver a few years ago.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009"

Violently AGREE. However, the salary cap currently precludes this. However, drafting 2 tackle/guards and 2 center/guard types would allow them to release Rabach ... clearly there is risk involved with this. But is it really any more than relying on Hall and Haynesworth to maintain the defense at last year's level?

Otherwise they would almost have to use a 1st round rookie corner which should preclude taking a major hit on the salary cap.

Again, the need for lots of higher picks and picking based on NEED. Not on Vinnie's faith in his own luck and serendipity. Neither of which have ever worked for either him or Snidely.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"The Johnson kid from GA Tech is a freak, and will probably be there at 13"

He will be there, because taking him at 13 would be a HUGE reach.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 23, 2009 1:05 PM |

It would also be a FREAKin' risk as well.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo... we got a 7th rd comp pick, #243, sweet!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 Davis wasn't starting, so therfore he was in packages of those games. I mentioned specifically the 2 TE formation which they ran effectively out of. Go back and watch the Philly game. I thought he blocked well in the SF game, I remeber seeing him control his man at the point of attack, but I I'll re-watch that game tonight to verify your position.

Posted by: TWISI | March 23, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

1 OT Samules
2 OT Jansen
3 OT Heyer
4 OT Draft Pick
5 C Rabach
6 G Thomas
7 G Dockery
8 G Rinehart
9 G Draft Pick
10 G/C FA/Geisenger/Draft Pick
11 RB Portis
12 RB Betts
13 RB Cartwright
14 FB Sellers
15 QB Campbell
16 QB Collins
17 QB Brennen
18 WR Moss
19 WR Randle El
20 WR Thomas
21 WR Kelly
22 WR Free Agent/Draft Pick
23 TE Cooley
24 TE Yoder
25 TE Davis
26 DE Carter
27 DE Wynn
28 DE Jackson
29 DE Wilson
30 DE Daniels?
31 DT Haynesworth
32 DT Golston
33 DT Griffin
34 DT Montgomery
35 DT Alexander
36 LB Fletcher
37 LB McCintosh
38 LB Blades
39 LB Fincher
40 LB Campbell?
41 LB Free Agent
42 CB Hall
43 CB Rogers
44 CB Smoot
45 CB Tryon
46 CB Free Agent/Draft Pick
47 S Landry
48 S Doughty
49 S Moore
50 S Horton
51 K Suisham
52 P Who knows??
53 LS Albright

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 23, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

RELEASED: 10 G/C FA/Geisenger/Draft Pick

1. play, 1 sack, ON IR. Gone!!!!

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Should they have drafted a safety when they had LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor? Seems kind of silly no? Is there anyone position on this team currently staffed with 2 potential pro bowlers? Sure you take into consideration your roster when 2 or more players are close enough in talent but dont draft sam bowie or darko milicic cuz you need a big man and miss out on an M.J. or carmello

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"Woohoo... we got a 7th rd comp pick, #243, sweet!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009"

FIVE picks is better than FOUR. Again coaches/scouts not Danny/Vinnie should be making selections.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

should be 'any one'. oops

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

'...MistaMoe why so down on Davis...'

Beg to differ: I like Fred Davis.

To me, he's like Alge Crumpler, jr. with no Mike Vick to catch balls from.

I also like the idea of having four picks in the 1st three rounds and know that in Cooley, I already have a dependable te--that's why Davis can be offered in trade but not be missed.

If Zorn is going WCO-spread, who does that with two tight ends when depth and speed at the flanker spot is what you need?

Davis (a Mackey Award winner at USC) has speed, size, good hands, and seeing how he didn't play all that much, would still come to a team like a rookie-that, plus a a high pick from the 2010 draft is what would draw some interest from a team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"Should they have drafted a safety when they had LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor? Seems kind of silly no? Is there anyone position on this team currently staffed with 2 potential pro bowlers? Sure you take into consideration your roster when 2 or more players are close enough in talent but dont draft sam bowie or darko milicic cuz you need a big man and miss out on an M.J. or carmello

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009"

21 (21) Atlanta Falcons (From Redskins) Baker, Sam OT 6'5" 312 Southern Cal

A STARTING LEFT TACKLE instead of Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Ahmm, next time DRAFT FOR NEED it would have worked better.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"They are usually the better athlete and are capable of playing multiple positions along the line. Often seem to be ex-quarterbacks."

What? Ex-QBs at LT? I did not know that.

Every coach dreams of players who can play more than one position, but I don't get the impression that applies to most LTs. That's the anchor pass protector in most schemes, and if you're lucky enough to have a really good one, you don't wnat to be moving him around. Doesn't mean a younger tackle can't start out on the right side, or an older one can't hang on another year or two in the same way, but the skill set is pretty different.

Which is why I think Samuels won't make a RT. He'll play on the left side til he retires, is my guess.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

DE 91 Jones, Jason Tennessee
TCKL 31 SCK 5.0 FF 3

A guy picked in the 2nd round ... that the Redskins could have chosen at ANY POINT!!!

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

A second round pick the Redskins SHOULD have picked instead of Fred Davis, Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly. A NEED!!!!!???

Jason Jones | #91 | DE

Tennessee Titans | Official Team Site

**** Height: 6-5 Weight: 275 Age: 22 ****

Born: 5/23/1986 Detroit , MI

College: Eastern Michigan

Experience: 2nd season

High School: Southfield-Lathrup HS [Lathrup Village, MI]

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

"Which is why I think Samuels won't make a RT. He'll play on the left side til he retires, is my guess.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009"

He'll move right because it will extend his career and rescue the Redskin's significant investment in him.

Just like Jacoby did.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Anton, Bore us later. Look, Madoff's investment technique was pretty clear: "Rob Peter to pay Paul." It landed him in jail.

Now, just tell me where to send the prospectus for talent_evaluator_fund. You can get in right after Dik.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 2:13 PM |

Stay on topic. Respond to my critque of your faulty analogy construction, not with some irrelevant comment about a "fund" or Madoff's investment technique or how "boring" I am.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

samson

'....But a first for a second and third...no way....'

That's why I'd throw in last year's second rounder Fred Davis--that's the move to get a team to see a 2nd and 3rd rounder for a 1st rounder from 2010 as fair game.

A 1st rounder plus Davis should get a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder in this year's draf, leaving hte team with 4 picks in the first three rounds in a draft featuring players in positions of need.

Yes: folks think I'm nuts, but we could draft cb, de, c/g, ot in the 1st three rounds and get quality players.

Losing Davis doesn't hurt as with Cooley being young and productive, Davis is not playing much anyways.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "If Zorn is going WCO-spread, who does that with two tight ends when depth and speed at the flanker spot is what you need?"

Look at the Seattle version. It needs two receiving TEs, who can get deep. You can rotate them or play them together.

"Davis...has speed, size, good hands, and seeing how he didn't play all that much, would still come to a team like a rookie-that, plus a a high pick from the 2010 draft is what would draw some interest from a team."

You're right, he probably has a little more value than he did as a rook, when he was dogged by questions about work ethic.

Cooley is a little overrated. I'm a fan of his, but a second tight end who was more dangerous in the open would enhance the Zorn offense. Or so I think.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins get 1 comp pick in the 7th rd for the draft. So now we are back up to 5 picks. Can Vinny count that high?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

21 (21) Atlanta Falcons (From Redskins) Baker, Sam OT 6'5" 312 Southern Cal

A STARTING LEFT TACKLE instead of Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Yeah, yeah....hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure if Vinny had to do it all over again he would have drafted differently. Of course it is Vinny, if given the chance he'd pass on Sleepy and would have taken Durant Brooks in the 2nd...

Posted by: will_ga | March 23, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"Just like Jacoby did.Posted by: periculum"

Now there's two players that to me, have almost nothing in common. Jacoby was probably the biggest guy in the league at the time; Samuels is a little light in the seat. Jacoby was a power blocker who struggled against speed rushers like Taylor; Samuels is very much a technician, with quick feet and reactions.

So I'm saying if he's not a good fit now, he's not going to be a good fit later, either. Investment or no investment.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 23, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

pabian2003

'...if you had to take at #13 though...who?'

This brings out the Madden GM in Moe.

I'd take Andre Smith and move Chris Samuels to right tackle.

If I trade next year's number 1 and Fred Davis and acquire additional picks, I draft 2 flexible center/guard type players.

This is my o-line depth chart:

lt- Smith (Heyer backup)
lg- Dockery (Rhinehart/draftee back up)
c- Rabach (Jansen/draftee back up)
rg- Thomas (Rhinehart/draftee back up)
rt- Samuels (Jansen/Heyer backup)


Like I said, son. You can't lose with the stuff I use.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta Falcons starting Middle Linebacker ... a 2nd round pick last year, Curtis Lofton.

Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

alex

A 'nuther 7th rounda?

Can you say, "They'll draft a punta, again!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 23, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe
I think we will use it on another Safety

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh or this will allow Vinny to totally change our draft plans,
Pick 1- CB, S, WR, TE
Pick 2- QB
Pick 3- DL or MLB
Pick 4- K/P
Pick 5- OL

Posted by: alex35332 | March 23, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru:Sports Insight::Bernie Madoff:Successful Investing

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 23, 2009 9:58 AM |

If you wanted to take a swipe at the Sports Guru using the perspicacity theme, forget Madoff, who was a criminal, not a dunderhead. I suggest an analogy along these lines:

Sports_Guru:Sports Insight::Jim Kramer:Successful Investing Advice

Kramer has been so clueless about what has happened these last 6 months it is astonishing that he once was a hedge fund manager. In October, when the waves were crashing over the jetty, Kramer famously advised CNBC viewers to snap up shares of Wachovia because they had fallen to $10 and were a real bargain. Three days later they were at $2.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 23, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I've lost a lot of respect for some frequent posters today. I cannot believe anyone thinks that JC's body of work is substantial enough to write him off. Preposterous. The guy's been in 5 offenses in as many years, had a bottom third offensive line and one legit WR this year, and still had a QB rating of 84, which is average to slightly above avg.

The idea that we should take a QB at 13 and neglect the glaring hole at RT and DE is a joke. I'm usually more tolerant of divergent opinion but this is, IMO, such a fundamental error in judgement consistent with this FO's track record of late. Just say NO to a QB and give JC some continuity of operations and acceptable personnel before you chuck him under the bus.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 23, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 23, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

A STARTING LEFT TACKLE instead of Devin Thomas and Fred Davis?

Ahmm, next time DRAFT FOR NEED it would have worked better.


Posted by: periculum | March 23, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

actually would've liked to see them draft calais last year instead of davis but they felt AC was their pass rusher and wanted 2 TE's for the west coast off. Point is dont reach on a player just to fill a need if there is a significantly better player out there. YES, this game is won and lost in the trenches but you didnt see pitt draft duane brown simply cuz they needed line help, and they do need line help.

Posted by: hcicron | March 23, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

they need to trade down and get more picks. they need a lb, de, ot and also a freakin' RUNNING BACK!!! How long will it take everyone to figure out that Portis/Betts combo gives pretty average results. Of course Portis will stack up yards, he runs the ball 40 times a game.

Posted by: vincentc | March 23, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Beeps, and such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 23, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

So JLC is not predisposed to breaking down permutations about the draft and doesn't like trying to figure out who the Skins will take.....then he does just that??????? Are you kidding me????? HYPOCRITE, look it up JLC.

Posted by: factor71 | March 23, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you missed last year AND the year before so bad you really shouldn't be making predictions. It only leads to speculative scenarios and "drama" that will inevitably become obsolete on draft day. Yeah - that's what the press wants and it manufactures 'interest' in the short term - but history tells us Vinny will do something really weird on draft day - so how about taking a chance and trying to figure out what he will really do vs. laying out the draftees who he "should" pick.

Posted by: mountjacksonmudcats | March 24, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

antonchigurh:"Kramer has been so clueless about what has happened these last 6 months it is astonishing that he once was a hedge fund manager."

Now that I think about it -- maybe it's not so astonishing.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2009 4:47 AM | Report abuse

notoriouslmg:"The idea that we should take a QB at 13 and neglect the glaring hole at RT and DE is a joke. I'm usually more tolerant of divergent opinion but this is, IMO, such a fundamental error in judgement consistent with this FO's track record of late. Just say NO to a QB and give JC some continuity of operations and acceptable personnel before you chuck him under the bus."

It's a puzzle, isn't it? Why would you 'give up' on a QB whose numbers suggest he's fully capable of leading them into the playoffs?

And the answer is: because you think he's not good enough to take you to the Super Bowl.

Mike Shanahan, the recently fired offensive genius, always insisted the whole point was to win Super Bowls and if your team couldn't manage that, going to the playoffs didn't much matter.

That's why he was so attached to Jay Cutler -- he thought Cutler was the sort of QB who could win you a Super Bowl or two. Not yet, but eventually.

The owner didn't disagree, but he wasn't willing to put up with the losing in the interim.

If there are fans who out-rabid Skins fans in the NFL, they're probably in Denver. We have zero patience, but those Denver guys are well into negative numbers. And given some of the whack jobs who live in Colorado, failure on the football field can probably be life-threatening.

So Shanahan moves on (possibly here at some point), and Cutler understandably wants out of the Mile High City. Honeymoon's over, and he's figured it out.

Suppose Campbell took us into the playoffs two seasons in a row. Say the first round one year, the second the next.

What would we expect the third year?

Of course we would. We'd just keep raising the bar. That's the nature of pro football. All we're really interested in is championships. OF course, so are the fans of those other 31 teams.

SO this isn't really about whether Jason Camnpbell is a playoff QB. It's about whether he's good enough to win the only game that any owner really cares about.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 24, 2009 5:00 AM | Report abuse

The offensive line is terrible Samuels is on the downside and fragile. If Michael Oher or Andre Smith are avaialble the team shouls select Smith. Although his antics are immature every expert out here has said he is leaps and bounds above every other tackle on Saturday......

I keep hearing Cushing the SLB from USC is an option if he is he better be the real deal he can play all three LB positions and has speed, intelligence and likes to hit.
But when I think back to last season seeing JC scrambling all the time, hurring throws, or our offensive linemen not finishing blocks we need a mean spirited and talented beast on the offensive line. Jansen is whining he is done!

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | March 24, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Samson, I hear you. Keep in mind some pretty pedestrain QBs have won SBs, with us probably more than any team - Rypien and Williams were journeymen who fit the system and had great lines and multiple weapons. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson...the list goes on and on. The common denominator is usually defense and an excellent O-line...hmmm...which gets me back to my original post....TAKE A FRIGGIN OT!!

I have to disagree on Denver fans...was out there for SKins-Broncos in '05 (my oldest bro lives there, also a huge Skins fan)....it was half empty by halftime. Not even close to as good a fan base as we have, IMO.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS now have a seventh. So lets land DANIELS then trade down and pick up a second and fourth. Then we have a normal complement of draft picks short a one. With our cap issue we can't afford that pick anyway. Then we go get three O-linemen, two OLB's, and a DE.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 24, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Anyone out here agree that the Skins should trade Ladell betts and pick Knowshon Moreno? I know they can get at least a 3rd or 4th rounder for betts. Tackles and Guards can be found in the middle rounds.
Knowshon with the 13th pick.
Watch out!

Posted by: cysc1109 | March 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should draft Jessica Alba. That way the Skins could have something that looks good on gameday.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 24, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I really think one of the three qb's will be available at 13 and the skins will get an offer they can't refuse to trade down. Even if it's let's say the Jets, they can get the Jets 17th overall pick and likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder to go along with it. chances are they can then still get a quality offensive tackle and a defensive starter at LB or DE/DT. Honestly right now I'm hoping for a trade down scenario!!!

Campbell will prove to be our starter. Get him some time to throw, and he'll be more than sufficient.

Posted by: IndySkinsFan | March 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

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