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I'll Show You Running Up The Score

So I got to thinking last night, in something of a sugar-coma after taste tasting all of Chloe's candy, about that 52-7 blowout (glad to see Sally Jenkins agrees me with on this running up the score nonsense as well. Stop the other team or go home). Wondered when the last time any NFL team led another NFL team by 52-0 in the course of a football game, and called Elias Sports Bureau (full credit, you guys rock) this morning to see if they had the goods.

Of course they did. Turns out the last time anyone has led 52-0 was Dec. 17, 1989, when Cincinnati was up 52-0 on Houston and held on for a 61-7 victory. Now that my friends was running up the score. Turns out this was an epic day for ol' Sam Wyche - a personal favorite of mine back in the day - and I did a little research to let you all know the difference between taking things to a personal level, and just plain playing dominant football until the final whistle blows.

Let's a trip down memory lane, shall we? This is gonna be fun.

Wyche hated Oilers Coach Jerry Glanville and had a pretty good feud going with him. So with the Bengals up 45-0 in the fourth quarter, Wyche calls for an onside kick and, go figure, the Oilers weren't expecting it and Cincy recovered. He does opt to sit Boomer, his star QB, and backup Erik Wilhelm end ups up throwing on fourth down near midfield and the Bengals score to go up 52-0. With the lead trimmed to 52-7, Wyche goes for a fake-reverse and a halfback option pass and they pull ahead, 59-7. There was also a fake-field goal attempts in there somewhere and ultimately with 21 seconds left he called timeout for a final field goal, capping the 61-7 blowout.

After the game Wyche's biggest complaint was with a missed-extra point. 62-7 just had a certain Je ne sais quoi to it I suppose.

"They've got their tails tucked between their legs and they're going home, which is just the way it should be," Wyche said in his post-game remarks. "They're the dumbest, most undisciplined, stupid football team we've ever played. We don't like their team. We don't like their people. And when you get a chance to do it, you do it. I wish it was a five-quarter game."

How great is that? You can't make that stuff up. (A week before this game Wyche had his greatest oratorical moment, when, with the Bengals fans irate at a call and littering the field with snowballs, he grabbed the mic mid game and proclaimed: "You don't live in Cleveland.")

Now, come on people. Belichick isn't doing anything like this (at least not yet, though I do believe he's got a lil somethin' somethin' extra for the Colts this weekend, who had the temerity to defeat his Pats in the regular season and playoffs last year).

In the process of dredging up the details of this 61-7 game, a stumbled upon a column by our very own Mike Wilbon from Dec. 2, 1992, following a Redskins blowout win over the Cardinals. Joe Gibbs happened to be coached the Skins and his buddy Joe Bugel happened to coaching the Cardinals.

Here's the first few paragraphs of Wilbon's column a few days after Washington's 41-3 win (the game was Nov. 29), which had some whining that he had disrespected Bugel, and Bugel himself.

"Don't get me wrong, I like Joe Bugel a lot. But he's way, way, way out of line on this one. If your defense is so sorry and no-account it can't stop somebody's backup quarterback, don't whine and cry and blame the other team's coach for running it up.

"Let's get this straight right up front: The Phoenix Cardinals, on Sunday at RFK, couldn't stop the Redskins from passing, from running, or from moonwalking 10 or 15 yards if they'd wanted to do that. Whatever the Redskins did, the Cardinals were too inept to stop. So instead of Bugel blaming his own pathetic defense, he blamed his old boss Joe Gibbs, who allowed Cary Conklin to throw a short touchdown pass that ran the score from 34-3 to 41-3, as if there's some major difference between the two scores.
"The only thing as ridiculous as Buges's misplaced anger, is Gibbs's repeated apologies. Gibbs said he made a mistake, Gibbs said he was stupid, Gibbs said he's learned a real lesson. The only thing Gibbs is guilty of is perpetuating this goofy theme."

Here's an account of former Postie Richard Justice, the beat guy at the time, on what Gibbs had to say the Monday after that game during his meeting with the media discussing what happened when QB Cary Conklin made his NFL debut and ended up scoring the final TD in the game:

"On third and five at the Phoenix 14, Conklin completed a six-yard pass to tight end Terry Orr for the first down. A pair of running plays followed, then on third and five, an illegal procedure penalty pushed the Redskins back to the 10. On third and goal, Gibbs called a pass and Conklin hit wide receiver Art Monk for his first NFL touchdown pass.
Television cameras caught Cardinals Coach Joe Bugel screaming toward Gibbs, and afterward Bugel was clearly upset. Gibbs said he understood.

"I called that pass without thinking," Gibbs said. "It's 34-3. What are you trying to prove? You shouldn't do it. I did it because everyone was yelling to let Cary throw one. I got caught up in it. It's a bad sportsmanship thing. I got carried away with the idea of letting Cary do something. From our side, you could say we were doing what's best for us, but that doesn't make it right.

"You shouldn't do that. Now, what happens is you give them some extra incentive next year. It's going to be tough for us. I made a mistake and now the whole team will pay for it next year. They're going to be jacked up for us."
Gibbs was vague about whether he still intended to phone Bugel with an apology, saying only, "I'll take care of it."
Bugel, a former Redskins line coach, seemed no less angry yesterday.
"I was a trusty lieutenant for him for nine years, a very loyal lieutenant," Bugel told a news conference in Arizona. "Hey, you've got to do what you have to do. I'll just put it that way. I was disturbed about it. I'll leave it at that. ... I just want the players to remember it. ... Just store it."

Seems like sound enough advice for what the Redskins face right now. Doubtful they will get another crack at the Pats for quite some time - no divisional grudge matches like the Skins/Cards and Bengals/Oilers like in these other cases - but you never know.

Postscript to the '89 Oilers: Everyone hated Glanville - he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way - his team finished 9-7 and made the playoffs despite loses of 61-7, 38-7 to Minnesota and 34-0 to KC. Lost the Wild Card and Glanville was gone, former Skins Coach Jack Pardee came in and a young dude named Gregg Williams got his first pro football break on that staff as a quality control guy (essentially an intern), going with Pardee from the University of Houston to the Oilers.

Randoms: Back-up center Mike Pucillo missed practice with a sprained back. He plays a key role in the jumbo package so we'll if he's able to do more tomorrow ... Rocco had no issues with the lobster costume as expected and kept the headgear on for 2 hours content to look around and gnaw on the antennae ... A snapshot of the owner: He was on the sidelines during practice today, sitting with Vinny. Someone was thirsty, so a security guy was dispatched from a tent about 60 yards away, with a member of the training staff gesturing in the air to alter the help. Security guy came running over with a bottled water, there was no attempt to turn his way or greet him. Security guy placed it between the owner and Vinny, no eye contact, and ran back ...

Since halftime of the Green Bay game the Redskins have played 10 quarters of football. They have 3 offensive TDs. They are averaging just 48 yards per quarter in that span. They have had 31 drives in those 2 ½ games, and 19 have been 3-and-out. They have just five drives over 3:00 in duration in that span .. Got a web chat starting ASAP on washingtonpost.com. See 'ya there.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 1, 2007; 1:02 PM ET
 
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Look Ma, I registered!

Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 1, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Not good...when Jason starts the article..."So I got to thinking last night"...

Posted by: eauzmendi | November 1, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Karma sucks Bill...

Posted by: RobTerp11 | November 1, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So your point is that if Sammy W. did it, it must be ok? That guy was hardly known as a gentleman of the game.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

38-1? Um, correct me if i'm wrong, but 1 point plays were never adopted by the Competition Committee.

Overall, nice post. I like that Wilbon has stayed consistent.

Posted by: mile.high | November 1, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

That argument is stupid and to want to be in agreement with Sally Jenkins isn't too bright either. Differences on the Gibbs/Bugel thing and Bela-ahole deal is that Conklin is a backup. If Matt Cassell was in there running it up fine. Pats were going for it on 4th downs and throwing deep. Get off of this topic already and talk about the upcoming game with the Jets. Or are you trying to rub this loss in the face of the fans the same as the Pats did to the Skins.

Posted by: cdubb | November 1, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

That game sounded a lot like the Patriots game. The Pats were already up a ton, and they decide to go for it on fourth down in field goal range and had that fake spike. Everything described in the article was no worse than what the patriots did. I agree that the Pats shouldn't just run the clock out, but they did play classless. Gibss would not have done that.

Posted by: brendanoldham | November 1, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The way Jason aligns himself with this no class cheater makes me a little sick. I was hoping AMTTS's post would have resonated a little more.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

After the debacle of a few years ago when Snyder seems to go after any high-priced veteran no matter their over the hill talent and got nothing in return for his efforts, the Redskins I say should have gone after Randy Moss just because they still lack a proven go-to reciever. If I am correct, the Skins gave up the same pick as the Raiders to get Lloyd and what has this loser done for us lately? I love Gibbs I but Gibbs II has proven to be his own worst enemy. HIRE A GM ALREADY.

Posted by: tdmi | November 1, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Forgive Jla for he was the beat reporter for the 'caps' and had to cover the lions.

Reporters need simple story lines. Pats best team ever 'take no prisoners is a good one to write about'. Also you don't need to know anything about football to write this.

He like many people likes winners. Our culture promotes win at any cost. Bush 2000, winning is not the most important thing its the only thing. The Dallas fans of the 90s or Yankee fans of the 60s who were not from either city.

Posted by: mul | November 1, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I hated it when I found out Sally Jenkins and I were in agreement, but I got no beef with Belichick or his team. My beef is with Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams for letting this thing happen.

I particularly can't comprehend why, once the game was lost, they didn't play differently. Where were the blitzes that would have twisted Brady's helmet backward?

Gibbilliams completely emasculated their players by calling a defensive game that wouldn't have saved some vestige of pride.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"...saved some vestige of pride."
Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 01:38 PM

It was 24-0 at halftime. Please explain where the vestiges of pride would have come from... 'cause "52-7, but we hurt Brady" doesn't have the ring of it to me.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

When can we expect to get past the Pats game? The players have gotten past it. The coaches have moved on. Can we just let it go and look forward to the Jets?

And F Dan Snyder and Vinny.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

tdmi, you're wrong. the pats got Moss for a 4th round pick. Skins got Lloyd for a 3rd in 06 and a 4th in 07'.

Posted by: gregskins | November 1, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon.

Why are we still discussing the 52-7 air out. Look, I agree with Jason (Don't really pay too much attention to Sally. Someone should tell her that if she wants crticize the hometeam in the hometown newspaper, then she should write articles more than once every six months. I'm sorry but I don't respect her opinion) but you don't have to keep addressing that fact. We know the about the argument of running up the score vs. sportsmanship, the fact is we could debate this until the year 3000 and still have people on opposite sides of the fence.

Grown men taking their beating and are better men for it. Crybabies run home with their thumb in their mouth, crying to dear ol' mama about how the bully at school is mean to them.

Randall Godfrey, I suggest if you make bold statements like you did you should have the LEADER of the defense make those statements. I would have respected those comments coming from London Fletcher or even Marcus Washington, but you're entitled to your opinion. Sir.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 01:41 PM

They got the point after, but the touchdown wasn't good? Bad decision by the referees, and Gibbs has turned it in to the league office.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

and Moss restructured his deal and took LESS $ to play with Brady.

Posted by: gregskins | November 1, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hard to get over it when Jason keeps rubbing it in.

And I certainly hope that the players and coaches haven't gotten past it. As far as I'm concerned, they need to watch that garbage everyday.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Gibbilliams?

That is genius, pure genius.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

they pull ahead, 59-7. There was also a fake-field goal attempts in there somewhere and ultimately with 21 seconds left he called timeout for a final field goal, capping the 61-7 blowout.

Don't sleep on the ol' 2-pt FG.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 1, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Gibbilliams?

That is genius, pure genius.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 01:50 PM

Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.

--The squirrel, blogging today as:

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Reaching under my desk. Pulling out the hammers. Scmack to the back of your head JLC. Damn! Can we please let last week go and talk about this week game?

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if you were reading your Blog Post while you were writing it, JlaC, but didn't you just make fantastic points AGAINST your argument?

First off, your evidence is an AFC game. yyeeech. Then you go on to regard Wyche as a benchmark for grace in the league. Bushleague maybe. Then you go on to show how two of the people we respect most here, JG & JB, regard the issue of 'run-ups' they despise it and think its wrong.

You are entirely right, IMO, about how the team and coaches should react publicly i.e. "if you don't like it, stop it" But the grace in loss with that attitude belies entirely the ugliness of the offender.

I like how you open the post about how you stole candy from a baby.... classic. lol.

You're still AFC, JlaC, but we love ya anyway.

Rok Rok AUN!

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Jasno is getting in nice with his Boston ties... he's been attacked about being a BoSox fan (from Baltimore)and now he's purposefully siding with the Beantown persuasion to strengthen his BoSox loving identity. For shame...


As for Jasno's last little paragraph, just the kind of doom n' gloom, punch to the kidney, salt in a would kind of ish I've come to expect from him. He is who he is. You take the good with the bad... like his Mr. Snyder observation. Nice.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

On many occassions, I've heard these guys say that they would rather get blown out than lose by one point.

Wish granted.

Posted by: nojunk4me | November 1, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

After that dope Bugel's comments, I hear that Springbrook High School is trying to schedule the Skins for their Homecoming game next year.

I guess we can also blame Buges for Gibby's "conservative approach" to being up 3-0 in the first quarter. Buges calls him out in '91 and now Gibbs refuses to throw up 13-12 in the 2nd quarter. I mean, did Gibbs really bend over and apologize the way he did? Were those real quotes?

Good grief.

Grow a pair, Gibbs.

I would be absolutely stunned at these quotes but I already told you guys that this stuff went on during his first go around as well. Just watch the '87 America's Game DVD. Mass confusion everywhere. Doug Williams and Jeff Bostic hated him and I don't blame them.

I can't wait for the story to come out after we squeak out a 14-12 win in New York. I'd like to apologize to Mangina for throwing it up 14-9 with 8 to play. What a joke this guy is... and I guess we can now also blame Buges, who changed Gibby forever after his tirade. WHAT A JOKE!!!!

Posted by: jwebster05 | November 1, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

He doth take his dislike for this team too far.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I remember a similar thing happening with Stan Humphries.

Joe apologized then too.

Or maybe it was Carey, and I just wished it was Stan Humphries. I want what those two meat heads are up to.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | November 1, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

sam wyche = G

Posted by: bdotjaydot | November 1, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

that guy jweb is pretty smart.

do you guys think Gibbs would apologize to someone who farted in HIS face? "well, the way I kinda look at that one, is that I kinda stuck my face under his back-side there. I was wrong. He was right. I will go to church tonight to confess."

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

You do imply that it makes sense to pull your key starting personnel during a blow-out.

Therefore, my take-aways are Wyche is an A$$ and Belichick isn't so smart and is playing with fire.

I don't think the 2nd string offense shouldn't try to score. I subscribe to TE's observation above.

Hail!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 1, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a link to the chat?

Taylor should have been free to blitz and knock Brady around...Gibbs/Williams made his DEF stand there with their d&%$s in their hands and take the beating.

Posted by: duffy487 | November 1, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I mentioned this game in my post. Somehow, when Jerry Glanville was running the score up on people, they weren't chasing ghosts/history. So when Wyche did this to him as payback, it's what he deserved. THE SAME WAY BELICHICK DESERVES IT!!!!

Unreal. I'm not posting my rant again; that's self-serving. I continue to be amazed that we are endorsing the zero class mentality. Giving a pass to a bully beating up a weaker kid because the playing field is level is ludicrous. 'They're all in high school so its up to the kid to stop the bully from punching his face over and over.' It's the same thing.

Color me dissappointed. Wow.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 1, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Still beating a dead horse... for shame!!!

Posted by: JoeyV | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Meow JLC,

Sally Jenkins! R U F N kidding me!!

Your in depth research managed to dig up the only 2 point Field Goal in the History of the NFL! NicE!

You steal candy from your own baby! That'll teach her!

The biggest whiner of the week is clearly you JLC! Get over it.....your totally wrong on this issue and I think we're all collectively sick of hearing it.

This is at least the third piece of complete hate-filled dribble that you have try to spew on us this week.

Then you finish with the petty water story about Snyder and Vinny. What's the point of that? To prove your more petty than they are? Job well done!!


Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I for the life of me don't understand why a reporter for a team spends a whole post defending another team?? All that and a small paragraph about THE TEAM YOU GET PAID TO COVER!!! Amazing!! Also I'm glad you compare yourself to a whinny B!TCH that never contributes to the Skins unless something bad happens. Cheers

Posted by: carymowerandsaw | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs DID apologize. And it was a good thing he did so. It was wrong.

I believe the term around here is ChickenSJK.

I'll admit, the complaints by the players and/or coaches should not have been expressed and they should be upset only with themselves.

But graciousness in victory is more important than in defeat.

It is a shame that many people don't recognize this anymore.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Don't sleep on the ol' 2-pt FG." haha

yeah i was wondering how you go from 59 to 61 with a FG as well. i'm sure it was 58-7 with the missed PAT.

(jason i hope that was you and not Elias Sports Bureau... LOL)

Posted by: jl16351 | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

oh and glad to see you had to go back almost 20 years to find an equally disgraceful display of sportsmanship!

...and yes running up the score on Jerry Glanville and Joe Gibbs are two completely different things!!!

It's an issue of class...one you clearly don't understand.

Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

oh, and my actual user-name now shows, but yall may know and love me as pack4life

btw, did anyone go to lambeau? whatcha think?

Posted by: bdotjaydot | November 1, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, not used to the registered thingy.

drouhier=ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 1, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Liked the Mon. Nite game B.J.!!

Love seeing the cheating Broncs get beat!

git 'em!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Then you finish with the petty water story about Snyder and Vinny. What's the point of that? To prove your more petty than they are? Job well done!!


Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 02:35 PM

I thought the peice about Danny and Vinny was the highlight of the day. Thanks Jasno!

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

peice=piece. Better correct that before one the spellcheck aficionados comes after me.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I never heard anyone talk about tennis, me personally I can't stand it.

Martina Hingis called it quits, deciding to retire after testing positive for cocaine.

This is why I think she is clearly guilty.

She had to pee in a cup, tested positive, then retires?

She is more obvious than Floyd Landis.

OK, I swear tennis and bicycle racing will NEVER be discussed by me again.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, nice work with the Vinny and Danny story. Maybe Vinny needed the water to cool down after his fluff sesh with his buddy?

By the way, has anyone gotten the ol' visiting team returns email yet? I got the one from stub hub the other day so I'm guessing the visiting team returns will start pouring in over the next few days, right?

And why wouldn't they? Philly is so far away and they get so many ticket returns for games in Washington, right?

Can't wait to see all of the red and yellow (empty seats) and green (Eagles fans) at the game. I might actually try to buy one of those 3 dollar tickets in the parking lot this time.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, I swear tennis and bicycle racing will NEVER be discussed by me again.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 02:54 PM

LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Washington at New York Game Preview
Posted: Wednesday October, 2007 05:01PM, Updated: Wednesday October, 2007 05:01PM

Fans of the New York Jets have been calling for a quarterback change all season. They'll finally get their wish Sunday, but it remains to be seen if a new signal caller can turn New York's dismal season around.

Kellen Clemens takes over for Chad Pennington under center and tries to help the Jets end a five-game losing streak when they host the Washington Redskins.

New York is off to a 1-7 start and Pennington's struggles are only part of the problem. While his numbers rank him in the middle of the pack among NFL quarterbacks, he hasn't been able to lead his club to many points.

The Jets are 30th in the league in total offense with 284.3 yards per game and rank 26th in scoring with 17.4 points a contest. Pennington hasn't been helped by the Jets' rushing attack, which is averaging just 90.9 yards per game despite the addition of running back Thomas Jones in the offseason.

"I made this decision not based on singling out Chad for where we are, but based on the fact that I think Kellen has earned this opportunity," coach Eric Mangini said. "I want to give him this opportunity. It's in no way an indication that Chad is solely responsible. We all are."

Clemens has appeared in five games since being taken in the second round of the 2006 draft out of Oregon. He's completed 29 of 60 passes for 362 yards with one touchdown and four interceptions.

He started in place of an injured Pennington on Sept. 16 in Baltimore, and went 19-for-37 for 260 yards with one TD and two picks in New York's 20-13 loss.

"Getting your first start out of the way I think is pretty big," Clemens said. "So now going into what will be my second start, I feel a lot better, a lot more confident."

The Jets' skid reached five last Sunday when they managed just 254 yards of offense - their second-lowest total of the season - in a 13-3 home defeat to Buffalo.

Pennington had 106 yards on 13 completions and was sacked three times. Clemens replaced him late in the game and was 5-of-12 for 67 yards and two interceptions.

"It's exciting to have the opportunity and I'm looking forward to the chance to play," Clemens said. "At the same time, there's a losing streak right now that this entire team needs to work hard to turn around."

Pennington overcame consecutive rotator cuff operations and won the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year award last season, when he threw for a career-high 3,352 yards in leading New York to a 10-6 record and a wild-card berth.

This season, he has thrown for 1,317 yards and nine touchdowns in seven games, but has seven interceptions - three that sealed losses - as opposing defensive backs seem to be keying on a lack of arm strength.

"I'm disappointed and it's a frustrating time for me," Pennington said. "At the same time, it's not about me. It's about our team and our team moving forward and I understand that."

Jones has only two 100-yard rushing games and has failed to score a TD after running for 1,210 yards and six scores to help Chicago reach the Super Bowl last season. With the inexperienced Clemens now running the team, Jones might get more carries.

"The coaches coach and I play," said Jones, averaging just 3.8 yards per carry. "I'm a player and I go out and do what they ask me to do. I get paid to do what they ask me to do to the best of my ability. The coaches coach. I have confidence in them that they are going to make the right decisions and they have confidence in me that I'm going to go out there and perform what I have to."

Washington (4-3) gets a chance to bounce back against one of the worst teams in the NFL after being routed 52-7 last week by New England, likely the league's top club.

The Redskins allowed season highs in points, total yards (486), passing yards (334) and rushing yards (154). They also committed a season-worst four turnovers and held the ball for just 22 minutes, 11 seconds.

It was Washington's worst loss since a 53-0 defeat to the New York Giants during its 1-12-1 season of 1961.

"If you get down in the dumps for losing against a team like that, you shouldn't be here," receiver Santana Moss said. "What's done is done. They showed us how they were, and we had nothing to answer for it. All we can do is look at it and feel awful about it, or look at it and say 'Hey, we experienced it, and let's try not to go that route again.'"

This will be Moss' first game against his former team since New York traded him to Washington for fellow receiver Laveranues Coles in March 2005. The Jets selected Moss with the 16th overall pick in the 2001 draft, and he caught 151 passes for 2,416 yards and 19 TDs in four seasons with New York.

Coles, meanwhile, started his career with the Jets before leaving after three seasons to sign a seven-year deal with Washington in March 2003. He might not be on the field Sunday, however, as he suffered a concussion late in the loss to Buffalo when he jumped to catch a pass from Pennington and was immediately hit in the middle of the back by Terrence McGee.

``Any time you have an injury it is scary,'' Mangini said Wednesday. ``With a guy like Laveranues who is so tough, you have to be careful and make sure you go through the same process that you would go through with every other player. That is what we are doing.''

The Redskins are 7-1 all-time against the Jets.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

bigphish,
someone kinda took a shot at me yestarday for missusing a wurd, you no one of those homofones. The spelleng polease is always wurking oveurtime on the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Seantizzy,

thanks for a relevant post!

Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why we are still talking about this either, but as long as we are I'll respond to Jasno.

Comparing Sam Wyche and Jerry Glanville to Joe Gibbs is ridiculous. Wyche (and almost everyone else) hated Glanville. If you think what Wyche did, and his postgame comments, were "great" (in the real sense, not the 'great reporting material' sense), then I don't expect that we will ever see eye to eye on this.

I don't see any inconsistency from Wilbon. I didn't have a problem with Cassel coming in and scrambling for a TD. I do have a problem with continuing to call passes and using your starters during a blowout as if your life depends on it. If a team can't stop the backup QB, and backup RB when he winning team is calling mostly running plays, then too bad. But when the COACH is making calls like pass plays on 4th down, and passing with the starters in during the 4th quarter, that's just ridiculous. It's called sportsmanship.

You can blow out a team (and even keep scoring late) without being a bad sport about it. Gibbs himself has done it many times. You take out the starters. You don't pass on 4th down. In fact, you generally don't pass much, period. You try to run out the clock and make sure nobody gets hurt...but only when you're up by a ton of points (like the Pats were).

In soccer, when a player goes down injured on a non-penalty play, you kick the ball out of bounds to give the other team a chance to get the player off the field. You don't have to do it; you could keep playing and trying to score while someone else is lying on the field. But nobody does. It's called sportsmanship.

Nobody talks about "no mercy" and "no crying in football." It's just what you do.

That said, no Redskins should whine about another team running up the score on them. It does make you look weaker in the eyes of the opposition. But I don't play for the Redskins, so I'm totally comfortable calling Belichick an SJKhole for his boorishness.

Just because you and other 'macho' sportswriters don't believe in the concept of sportsmanship and winning the right way doesn't mean that nobody else does.

Posted by: jcabana | November 1, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

To me it wasn't not about running the score up but about going for 4th down twice with such a big lead. If you keep going down the field and never get a fourth down more power to you. I prefer if it is fourth down and you up but a sh*t ton of points to punt or kick a field goal. That is my only issue.

Posted by: SmallPen15 | November 1, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Very good post jcabana

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Ref Stubhub:

I think it's hilarious that the Pats are sueing Stub Hub while "the danny" send out emails for them.

Not that Kraft knows how to run a football team or anything.

Skinz

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

this is just another typical post from Jasno. It almost literally says "I told you so." Way to show your real colors Jasno, maybe you should think about what Gibbs said in some of those quotes about blowing out the Cards. Can we just drop the topic all together?

I'm ready for the 'Skins to start a winning streak!!!

Hail!

Posted by: gethanr13 | November 1, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

I am with you about the pats game.

HOWEVER, let me offer some advice. NEVER, EVER, point it out when you happen to agree with that "rhymes-with-bunt" Sally Jenkins. NEVER. If you find out she has expressed a similar opinion to your own, you should quickly reevaluate your opinion to make sure there has been no mistake. Then take a long shower and try to stop feeling tainted.

Jenkins is awful. Her columns are always poorly researched and dreadfully written and her logic is nearly always suspect. I recall a column late in 2005 when she tried to make the point that the Skins had the easiest schedule in the NFL but accidentally used the 2004 results rather than the 2005 results (to that point) that demonstrated the Skins schedule ranked in the top-5 in difficulty. She also "guaranteed" the Skins would not make the playoffs that year when they fell to 5-6.

Please Jason. NEVER AGAIN!!

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

mmmmm...Mari Hingis on coke... mmmmmm

I like Tennis. I like Bike Racing. I think it's funny, John Kruk funny, that Armstrong only has one nut and is foolin around with one of the Olsen Sisters

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,

Seriously. The Pats know how to run an ethical, successful, and respected organization. It is the complete opposite here, with the lies, gimmicks, and losing.

But hey, Gibbs says "we're going about things the right way up here"...

And Vinny laughs at us and says "don't worry, ha ha, we have a plan"...

And Danny says nothing as he hits those softballs back to George Michael in his interview chair.

We're in good shape. Yep. Ship shape.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

shuttledik you know that was wrong in so many ways. LMGO!! Now I got to go and ask for forgiveness

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Dumbazz Armstrong leaves Sherryl Crow and now he's messing with one of the anemic Olsens. Pathetic.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I know I am going to have myself for responding to RB. However, to call them "respected organization" isn't what I call a team caught cheating.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Yo Jay? Got any good news? We seem to only be getting the bad:

injuries, patriots thrashing, snyder and vinny... how about some info on how the offense is looking or defense?

Do the players look more intense this week after a loss? Give us something to hang our hats on... Peace.

Posted by: JoeyV | November 1, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

LMGO! That should have been hate myself for responding.

Bigfish I agree with you. I totally don't understand that one.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

If he still had both of his, um, 'twins', would he be with both of those twins at the same time?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Its Skins 69 Giants 41. Skins have the ball deep in Giants territory with the clock running out on 4th down. The Skins call time out. Specifically, Sam Huff calls time out so the Skins have to run another play. They kick a FG and the final is 72-41 !!! Sam wanted to run the score up on a coach he hated.

Now if you are going to see a team 2x a year, I think you play it differently. But unless the Skins get to the SB with NE, Gibbs is never going to coach against NE again. So its the least risky time to do this.

But I think the Gibbs approach is smarter overall. Because if Brady goes down while running up the score -- and why wouldn't teams blitz like crazy at that point -- it will cost NE everything they are trying to prove

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

jm,

I hear ya... the cheating thing was definitely big news for a few weeks, but by beating teams by 40 every week they sure are shutting everybody up.

I still think if you polled every front office in the league on which organization is more respected (on and off the field) between Gibbs/Snyder vs. Bellichick/Kraft, 75% would say the latter.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

4-12 they total wieght together is 100 pounds. My answer still would be NO

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"NORRISTOWN, Pa. - Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid's eldest son, who said he got a thrill out of selling drugs in both poor and tony neighborhoods, was sentenced Thursday to up to 23 months in jail for smashing into another motorist's car while high on heroin."

"His addiction persists, according to authorities, who found 89 prescription drug pills in Reid's jail cell Thursday morning. They believe he smuggled them in his rectum when he was jailed earlier this week."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21551662/


Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

As of matter of fact the 3:17 post is detective Spelling.

Mr. Spelling, should I have used a capital D with Spelling? I think it denotes a title of a person, so that is a capital D right? Also, could you tell me if I'm putting my commas in the right place? I don't want to sound like I'm rambling, as of matter of fact could you tell me if I am using the phrase as a matter of fact correctly? Should I have put quotation marks in the previous sentence? BTW could you...

Nice to meet you sir. I love it when people have so much self love for themselves they have to promote their superiority by pointing out the mistakes of others.

Oh hail mhaslup, oh hail. What the fudge is that anyway? Could you enlighten, oh merciful one?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

RB remember the Colts was beating people pretty good for a couple of years and didn't win the SB. As I stated last week if they don't win the SB they will look really stupid for running up the score.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I was talking to my buddy who is huge Boston sports fan (he lived there as a kid). He made a good point... Bellicheat has his team playing at a championship level. Tom Brady and the Offense need to play hard for 4 quarters and not get away from that. If you're benching Brady every game in the 4th quarter because every game is a blowout, will he be ready and prepared for (if it ever happens) a close one late in the game. If the Patriots are setting a standard of excellence and that's the kind of football they need to play at to win, so be it (be it a regular season non-conference game or a super bowl).

Makes sense to me. I don't know Bellicheat as a person and have never played a professional sport. (when a professional paper football league is created, I'll be there.) Just my thoughts. I'm not defending the Pats, or condemning Gibbs... merely doing my part to beat a dead horse.

Hey, I think we're playing the Jets this weekend. Feels like a Bye week to me.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Lance Armstrong and one of the Olsen twins? Begs the question, what will an Olsen twin look like on steriods?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

Agreed. It's not only bad sportsmanship - it's stupid. I don't care how many SB's Belichick has won: he's letting his grudge against the NFL interfere with his common sense.

Posted by: jcabana | November 1, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Lance Armstrong is much older than myself and even I would feel like a molester messing with Michelle Tanner.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

jm220,
I don't like cheaters either, but man face it everyone cheats in one way or another in sports. In these times there is too much money and fame to be lost if you can't stay on top of your game.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

jm,

again, with the colts, you're still comparing a major league team with AA minor league squad. the colts have the highest winning percentage since 2000 and the fans/league respect their coach/owner. Can't say that here... at all.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

nice post, jcabana

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Why does it have to be a "dead horse"? Could it be a bear, gazelle, lion, or cow?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

My post was at 3:16, not 3:17. Do not worry. I am certain that as you start paying more attention to details, you will start getting things right.

I merely pointed out your mistake in the post yesterday because it is a common mistake that often makes otherwise-intelligent individuals seem stupid. The difference between "formerly" and "formally" is something every English-speaker should learn. In that sense, it is similar to the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." It is not merely a misspelling, but it demonstrates a lack of mastery of the language. I am sure you are very intelligent, but it is difficult to know that because you seem to write through a "stupid-filter."

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

yeah, seriously, I mean it's not like we use fake crowd noise or anything. That would be cheating, and Joe Gibbs simply wouldn't stand for it.... what a joke.

RedDMV, good post.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh merciful one,
This is a blog, a blog. I'm not writing a letter to be posted somewhere that could somehow compromise my intelligence. I think you need to turn your attention to your school children you're teaching. People here make silly spelling mistakes all the time. I see thousands daily, I don't have the need or urge to put someones grammar skills (lack thereof in my case) on display. Have I ever said I am some english major? If you come to a blog to critique a persons spelling, stick to proofreading 3rd graders reports on why Columbus sailed the ocean blue. If you're not a teacher then I'm sorry.

Go spell check letters to Santa Claus then.

Have a nice day, goodbye.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 01:41 PM

The same way a 59-7 lead goes to 61-7 on a field goal. Lay off Jasno. Have YOU ever tried to write coherently when jacked up on pilferred Hallowe'en candy?

The WORST news in the whole piece was Snyder siting next to Vinnie. Until the owner Bozo exiles the Toady Bozo to Siberia and replaces him with REAL GM, the Redskins are doomed to mediocrity.

Posted by: corkczar | November 1, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard if the Redskins are going to take the handcuffs off Soups this weekend? Weird Al said he was doing so against the Pats. Didn't look like it.

Can it be that our concept of "taking off the handcuffs" is different from the Redskins? I would love to see some quick slants and stop and go patterns.

It is clear at this point that the run is anemic (due to line problems). We will have to live and die by the pass. Of course, protection for Soups will be a problem, but quick hitters will get the ball out of JC's hands before the rush can get to him.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice story on Sam Wyche vs Jerry Glanville. The ironic part of the story? Back in 1989, Cincinnati was in the AFC Central Division with the Houston Oilers, Pittsburgh Steelers, and the original Houston Oilers. Everybody from that division made the playoffs except for the Bengals. In addition, Glanville got fired after losing in the playoffs to the Steelers. He gets hired to coach Atlanta and lo and behold, the Falcons openning game is a Sunday night battle with the Bengals. Falcons win 47-27 with Glanville blitzing on D and trying to score more points late in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: nicefellow31 | November 1, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

They did take the handcuffs off Soupy. That's why the ball kept flying out too.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If you come to a blog to critique a persons spelling, stick to proofreading 3rd graders reports on why Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 03:55 PM

You forgot the apostrophe.

RedDMV, I hope you get that I am making a joke. I kid because I love.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Just posting to get signed in.

Posted by: tcnovakjr | November 1, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Amy Winehouse to Appeal Drug Fine"

Her defense is "Do you realize how much blow I could get for that kind of money?"

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

As I said, my earlier post had nothing to do with a "spelling" error.

Incidentally, there should have been a period between "daily" and "I" in your last post.

I am not a teacher. I accept your apology.

I hope you have a nice day as well.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

They did take the handcuffs off Soupy. That's why the ball kept flying out too.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 03:58 PM

I did not notice anything different other than all those sacks/fumbles.

Is Soups holding on to it too long due to inexperience or poor play design? Can't the coaches come up with a game plan that masks/compensates for the injured O-line?

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't like that my User ID will be shown at the bottom. I liked having my actual name appear. Nards to that.

Colin

Posted by: CDon | November 1, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

My post was at 3:16, not 3:17. Do not worry. I am certain that as you start paying more attention to details, you will start getting things right.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 03:40 PM

mhaslup--

May I offer you some constructive feedback?

Do you realize this is Redskins Insider, not the Marc Fisher blog? That sort of stuff scores big points with the Fisherians. Up here it makes you look like an idiot.

I realize you don't think of yourself as one, and maybe you actually aren't, but that's how you come across to others when you take that approach to posting.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

mhaslup, I'm not sure that I understand the point of your persistence in this matter, nor the reasoning for your slightly hectoring delivery.

RedDMV/SkinsRealist (did I remember your former handle correctly?) posts his/her thoughts and opinions here fairly regularly. I detect no such 'stupid filter' in play in those posts, and I see no relevance between any such filter and spelling.

If misspelling is your particular 'pet peeve', I suggest that you stay away from real-time connected media in all its' various forms, as the human imperative to interact with others tends (rightly, in my humble opinion) to transcend the need to ensure that all appropriate I's and T's have been dotted and crossed and that no infinitives have been inadvertently split.

Why can't we all be slightly kinder, gentler versions of ourselves here? It's costs us nothing, yet affords us much.

Pedantry girded in a cloth of smugness is seldom a winning combination. I'm hoping that what you were trying to be was either self-deprecating or ironic perhaps, but sadly it isn't reading that way.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, couldn't agree less with that, someone tried to push that crap on me, and I was having none of it.

Brady is completing passes at the highest level the NFL has ever seen is he not? So to suggest that they needed to play for all 4 quarters is pretty foolish given:
a. the number of points they had already scored
b. the complete and utter inability of the Redskins to mount any type of offensive threat, that is, unless they scored a 60 point touchdown
c. if your friend truly believed that, then according to his logic, the pats should have kept Brady in the whole game, right?

My final point is this. Vrabel, who was on the field with less than 4 minutes remaining was limited in practice this week because of a shoulder injury suffered during the game. So karma is already making the rounds....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 1, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Content>spelling/grammar on this blog.

Besides we all talk good enough American to be understood. Certainly more gooder than those guys down in the Dallas Blog.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Redcoats 4:06 and My 4:08 illustrate fairly well the reason that US Americans are hated far more than our British cousins.


Diplomacy=The ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them looking forward to the trip.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Can I get a hit off andy ried's son's rectum...sounds like a party in there!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 1, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Besides we all talk good enough American to be understood. Certainly more gooder than those guys down in the Dallas Blog.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 04:08 PM

I don't know. Boofer seems pretty coherent to me.

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, NOT

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I am wiping down my keyboard as we type. Thanks alot CL.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you S-T-2-D-H, but if your comparison is true, why are the villains in Hollywood movies always either f) Brits, or %) Played by Brits even if they're from another country!

And mhaslup, I am well aware that my prior post is full of grammatical and spelling errors. I never finished high school so my 'stupid filter' has to run flat out in reverse just to make me readable!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Redcoats 4:06 and My 4:08 illustrate fairly well the reason that US Americans are hated far more than our British cousins.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 04:10 PM

I disagree.

- Heather Mills

(it just doesn't have the same effect with registration)

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

All,

Once again, I never corrected a "spelling" error.

I will point out that RedDMV raised this topic, which I had not thought about since yesterday. All I did yesterday was point out that he was using "formally" where he should have used "formerly." It seemed to be more than a simple typo, and I informed him in order to prevent him from being embarrassed by the same mistake in a more important setting. I didn't think it was all that serious, but apparently he considers correcting an error in his writing to be akin to fornicating with his mother.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank you S-T-2-D-H, but if your comparison is true, why are the villains in Hollywood movies always either f) Brits, or %) Played by Brits even if they're from another country!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 04:15 PM

Redcoat -- Uh, did you mean to end the question with a question mark? You know, one of these? -- ?

Can I take a stab at that question? Is it because they're so much more articulate and we can follow their clever machinations better if they're spoken in proper British English? Is it because we're more easily misled by a gent speaking in a British accent (like a woman with a French accent)? Is it because some knavish thoughts can only be expressed by British actors?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat- The Brits are actually taking over U.S. Americans television shows. The stars of:
@) House
#) Bionic Woman
I) Life
Z) Journeyman
are all British actors. Of course, they're all starring on shows that suck, so maybe I helped you make your point there. Nevermind.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Just heard Williams refused to talk about the Pats game anymore...said he has moved on to the Jets.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

For us older guys, it's Hayley Mills.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

CBT, everyone knows what Heather Mills is, her representatives are merely haggling over her fee! :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

That Parrot has expired!

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

This is officially an EX PaRROT!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If Gibbs were to have a full tilt scrimmage with the defense vs the offense would the defense need to play all eleven players to make it a fair match? My guess is the safeties would sit out since the offense never throws deep anyways.

Posted by: driley | November 1, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Let us not forget that we have the Brits to thank for "The Office."

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah CBT but we also have them to thank for the Middle East. Let's call it a wash.

I hope Grilliams is refusing to talk about it. No point in continually bringing it up.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Is that the singular of feet?

By the way, if anyone still cares, or ever did. We beat live horses to make 'em do stuff. Therefore "beating a dead horse" is the metaphor for futility. We don't beat live grizzly bears. Not more than once anyway.

-Timothy Treadwell

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 1, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

heey, waht iz itt withh pooor speling? I'm smmart annd remebmer too uze tha apostrophys. Yu cn tooo

REgardz
Spelchck

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

All,

Once again, I never corrected a "spelling" error.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 04:20 PM

You don't know what the hell you corrected, because you don't know whether he misspelled the right word or he used the wrong word, or whether his fingers slipped and he had a typo. You're just making up a bunch of assumptions to make yourself appear smart at someone else's expense. There's a name for that sort of behavior, but I can't think of it right now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes t_e, I meant to use a question mark AND an exclamation point (the interrobang not being available here) but sadly left out the important one.

4-12, The whole Hugh Laurie thing leaves me more than a little baffled.

He used to have an obscure BBC2 comedy programme in the UK with his much-funnier partner Stephen Fry, where if they were doing a skit that required one of them to be American, Hugh would always use that 'accent' he uses now in House. I always thought it was desperately bad, but apparently now it's good enough for prime-time US TV. I'm sort of insulted for you guys as I still think it's pretty dire, but I expect it's what passes for 'yank' in the rarified Cambridge circles he moved in.

As I haven't seen any of those programmes I can't comment on them, but it does seem odd that every now and then a bunch of Brits make it big over here. Maybe it's that they usually have to go through more training in front of cynical (typical UK) audiences before they get their big chance than is the norm here.

Or maybe it's just that we speak different and we get a lot of unearned credit just for doing that?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Brits gave us the funniest show ever, Coupling. The BBC version is pure gold.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the Middle East chaps, our bad.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Dik and JohnD... playing catch-up.

"It has CEASED to BE".

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think coupling was that great. BBC Office and Yes, Minister were funny though.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Lets not forgot the two brothers from Prison Break and the star of Life, Damian Lewis.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

House?! If you want ugly-american (and let's face it, who doesn't) watch

Always Sunny In Philadelphia!!

Brilliant.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

You do get credit for the accent. Everything sounds smarter when you can pronounce it that way. Probably even mhaslup's posts would sound plausible if he asked Sir John Geilgud to read them for him.

But, where you go down in everyone's estimation is your silly spelling: labour, aluminium, behove, etc. Mind you, our spelling's aren't inherently righter, they just look more intelligent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

You know it really is pathetic to listen to arguments for the Pats unsportsmanlike behavior at the end of the game. Why is it so important to destroy the opponent? Does it make you tougher? For point differential? Please.
Why not send a message to all the fans (especially the kids) by demonstrating class in a situation like this? We are friggin talking about a football game. What if Bellicheck runs the ball, punts or kicks a field goal on 4th downs, and then shakes Gibbs hand after the game, maybe pats him on the back sympathetically.
But that's too much to ask from classless Bill, who responded to the ? by saying, "what did you want me to do, kick a field goal?" Um, yes. Your up 35 and 42. Please explain your rationale.
Maybe he was thinking if the Skins vaunted passing/running attack got in gear, they might get right back in it. Right. You can defend him all you want, but you know it's not right. No way. Never.

I watched that game with my youngest son(10) and I was trying to explain to him what it means to be a good sport. To be humble when you win and gracious when you lose. You always play hard, but when the game is over you look the other guy in the eye and shake his hand. It's called respect. Something sorely lacking in sports today.

Posted by: squashmo | November 1, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Who is mhaslup? Someone new or a regular who got lost in registration.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

CBT, Ricky Gervais is great, but his TV career was very nearly still-born.

He had a UK TV show years ago called "The Ricky Gervais Show" where he would do monologues each week about various subjects. The problem with this was that he was playing different characters each time but didn't let the audience in on that.

So often he would start making all sorts of obnoxious statements, racist, misogynistic for example, and people thought HE was saying those things.

In hindsight I think he was trying out model personas for the character of David Brent, the least self-aware person on the planet. But the knee-jerking was so bad that for while it looked like he would get booted off TV forever - at least until someone actually took the time to talk to him and understand what he was doing!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, squashmo=cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | November 1, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,

It is plain that RedDMV's error was not a simple typo. He spelled a completely different word than the one he should have used. "Formerly" does not become "formally" with a slip of the finger. Typing the former does not even require one to approach the "a" key. No assumption is required.

Your assertion that this was anything other than a failure to understand the difference between the two words is disingenuous.

When you think of the word you are looking for, please let me know.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Squashmo, today sportsmanship means you're sorry for electrocuting the dogs. And that you offered to pay for the abortion.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

mhaslup was formerly (note the usage) known as Mike H.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat- You guys get serious credit for this...The government won't let "reduced alcohol wine" be sold in the UK. Hail to the fully leaded grape!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7072444.stm

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"He plays a key role in the jumbo package so we'll if he's able to do more tomorrow"
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As I think Nate suggested a while back, we get to play Mad Libs. Pick your own verb: "so we'll" ________________ "if he's able . . ."

Posted by: NCICURN | November 1, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

maybe he was typing with his mouth full?

...formawwlly

......fowmrarwy...

dang peanut butter...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I am formerly announcing that this is the real bigfish formally known as bigfish.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Mind you, our spelling's aren't inherently righter, they just look more intelligent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 04:42 PM

Intelligible? Yes. Intelligent? The jury is still out.... ;-)

I think you're right t_e, the accent affords us a lot of latitude. Despite the fact that I come from 'EastEnders' London rather than anywhere more 'cut glass' in the accent department, I find myself participating in more and more web and trade show panel sessions just because my accent allows me to differentiate my message more easily. Well that and the fact that I look like a God. Sorry, did I say 'God'? I meant 'Cod', anyway I can get away with a lot because I'm a Brit!

And Dik, I love my wife, and she aure ain't no ugly American!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Whoa!

POSTED 4:04 p.m. EDT, November 1, 2007

JUDGE CALLS ANDY REID'S HOME 'A DRUG EMPORIUM' by Michael David Smith

A judge in Philadelphia today sentenced Garrett Reid to two to 23 months in jail and had harsh words for the home where Reid lives with his father, Eagles coach Andy Reid.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Judge Steven O'Neill likened the Reid home to "a drug emporium" and questioned whether it was a suitable place for Reid's adult sons to live.

"There isn't any structure there that this court can depend upon. . .this is a family in crisis," the Inquirer quotes O'Neill saying.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Well said Sosmoflora, well said. I live in the heart of pats country, and its been completely sickening to listen to people try and defend his actions.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 1, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

fish--

That's pretty shocking. Sounds like another "leave of absence" for the coach. But, why don't we go on a road trip and inspect the house for ourselves?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Vrabel got the AFC defensive player of the week award. Sorry 'bout that leg, Mike.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ummm ... shoulder, not leg ... oops ... p.s. not really sorry Vrabel is hurt, that was sarcasm. May his arm fall off.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I love the 'Ugly American' - it can be so fun! To play and to see!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Vrabel's on the best team in the league that just beat the crap out of us (Skins). No need to apologize.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

te - not sure you want to do that. Seems like Reid's son likes to stash it all in a place where I'd rather not look for it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

fish--

The judge said the home was the drug emporium. The rectum was merely a kiosk.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

LMGO! How does one manage to stash 89 pills up there anyway? That's disturbing.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Big rectum or small pills.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Hello I'm OH-ffical! Phew I was worried someone would have robbed me of my name.

I've been deeply neglectful of the blog - I hang my head in shame. I've been frittering away time teaching the yutes of U.S. America.

Sadly I have to go do a little more.

Posted by: sfskin | November 1, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

bigfish- I think cL mentioned he had some interest in partying 'in there'. bung-hit?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

mhaslup, were I to be in an ad-hominem mood I would describe you as "a cockatrice, a catchpenny peddler of grammatical minutiae, a kennetseeno griddling macer, a spalpeen."

But really I just think you're either a little misguided or deliberately contrary.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

And, by the way, 89 was just what they found. No telling how many more he'd already sent down the other end or shared with his friends. Gives a new meaning to being a big a@@hole, doesn't it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

mhaslup, shuttledik, RedDMV, Squashmo (formerly Mike H., Dik, SkinsRealist, and cosmofla, respectively), I'm guessing you can find a way to get your name back through re-registration. Just step it back one step. Open up a free email account (gmail or hotmail or yahoo or whoever lets you open an account and has the username available), and then use THAT email address for your re-registration, which will pull your username for your identity here. The only one who seems burned is cHRis LarRY, whose blog name relies on random miscapitalization.

News/rumors say Lavernues Coles may have to sit out this week with a bad wheel.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Well gentlefolk all, it's been something to hang out with you all today. Thankyou for allowing a meagre Fins fan the privilege of chatting with you all.

Until tomorrow.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

correction. L. Coles with concussion, not bad wheel.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

When you think of the word you are looking for, please let me know.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 04:45 PM

Thanks for giving me time. I was about to say sociopath. But, upon reflection, the words just came to me: "a cockatrice, a catchpenny peddler of grammatical minutiae, a kennetseeno griddling macer, a spalpeen."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

There's a name for that sort of behavior, but I can't think of it right now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 04:33 PM

Pedantic?

Re: Brit shows...

Does anyone remember "The Young Ones?" It aired on MTV in the '80s and was one of the funniest shows ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_(TV_series)

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Vilma is out too.

You don't need to open up an e-mail account. I used a bogus one and it worked out just fine. I did the same for Lisa.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

No Coles AND no Vilma?!?! That would be like no Santana Moss and no Marcus Washington ... oh ... never mind. Been there, done that.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

See if Coach Bill just came out and admitted that he was running up the score (like Wyche did) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Just pretending that you're not running up the score is pretty annoying.

Posted by: david | November 1, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It's true--you can make up any e/m account as long as it has @ in it. They don't check. Which begs the question, what is the point? All the trolls will be back, signing in as troll@troll.com, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

sween -- No Coles, no Vilma, and no Pennington. Also, no Kendall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

te - I proposed a possible solution to the problem to Cindy. Not sure if she was sincere or not but she said she would pass it along to the IT peeps.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Vilma being out might actually be a bad thing. A lot of Jets fans feel that he has never really fit into Mangini's 3-4 system.

Vilma's replacement, a rookie (I think?) had 17 tackles and a sack last week in his first start and apparently was flying all over the place, something that Vilma hadn't been doing for a while.

Regardless, I just want the Redskins to win. Pleeeeease.

Posted by: -swb | November 1, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

te (aren't you also a "formerly"? KK or something like that?), I think there is a limit on the number of free email providers. Plus, there is no question that trolls will be trolls and shall never perish ... its just the extra effort now required may discourage some.

Re: no Pennington, I don't think he has been the problem (except to the extent that no Kendall has resulted in a Pennington problem). So far this season, I'm liking the Kendall move like candy from heaven. Still sucks though that the Skins still can't seem to even get a left sided rushing game going.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

It's true--you can make up any e/m account as long as it has @ in it. They don't check. Which begs the question, what is the point? All the trolls will be back, signing in as troll@troll.com, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 05:19 PM

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

swb, amen. I don't care if its is an ugly squeaker or a blowout that would make Bellichek blush, all I want is another "W." It also would be nice if we didn't lose another starter to an injury that keeps him out for more than a game.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

btw, I was formerly and formally (both uses are correct here, so back off) known as "Cindy's Boy Toy."

I assume everyone already picked up on that.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

72 points in the 1st quarter!!! I don't feel so bad now.

http://ballhype.com/story/kansas_high_school_football_team_smith_center_scores/

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, I wanted to check out how the troll domains were being used. Note the lovely views of Doug and Marthe's house at http://www.troll.net/

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It is nice that the trolls showed the creek, but where is the bridge?

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 05:25 PM

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So how long until "troll" ID shows up? Sounds like a new RI poll time.

Posted by: NCICURN | November 1, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

CBT - I love the Young Ones!!!! I've going to dress as Vivian next time I have a fancy dress party!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

CBT, second row, in the middle.

Not to change the subject back to the Skins, but I'm ready to jump off the "Wade will do fine" bandwagon and jump onto Heyer bandwagon. Wade was a problem last week, esp. with the bad groin. He had fully movable hinges for Aaron Kampman in Green Bay BEFORE he came out with the bad groin. If Heyer's knee is well enough to play, he should be on the field this week.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I meant I'm!

Bigfish, they mentioned that high school game on PTI (?) last night. Apparently their points for/points against so far this season is 600+/0

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hail to the fully leaded grape!
Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 04:48 PM

and, in honor of Tom Brady, the fully leaded pencil!

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

This guy must not know about this blog or we would made the list.

http://paulkatcher.com/archives/000858.shtml

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Gregmarino... who the SJK knows what Bellicheat is thinking? We can all come up with our little explanations as to why we were at the end of a 52-7 spectacle (or why your team continued to dominate a clearly outmatched team), but at the end of the day we'll never really know. Bellicheat sure isn't going to hold a press conference about it. That guy lists every player he can on the weekly injury reports. He's doing everything he can to win and win big. I'm not saying I agree with my friend's logic, only that it can serve as one answer that is someone reasonable.
Probably the best argument I've heard (forgot who said it) is that Bellicheat wants to dominate everyone so as to eliminate any questions about the cheating. "You call me a cheater? How's 52-7 sound? Am I still cheating now?"
Regardless, I still think the NFL should have made BB wear a suit on game day as a punishment for his cheating.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

re: Vilma, his replacement is David Harris from Michigan... if you recall, way back in the days of the 2007 draft I had planned out a trade scenario that got us Alan Branch, David Harris, Prescott Burgess, and Tyler Ecker to form an all-Michigan team.
Sadly, the actual implementation went badly awry, and I have to apologize for the Ecker thing. In my defense, I had him as an undrafted free agent.
Anyway, Harris was the second best MLB prospect in the draft (to the 49ers' Patrick Willis). The question was whether he'd be able to adapt to the responsibility of MLB (calling the D, etc.) fast enough to be a rookie contributor. The buzz is that he has answered this question.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Belicheat would be disappointed.

"It should be noted, however, that Smith Center only went on to score 14 more points the rest of the game.

after the 1st quarter, the coach told them to run out of bounds inside the 5, hence the lack of scoring afterwards (they even kicked a field goal on 1st and goal from the 1)."

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Where's your cload, daggar?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the number of times a woman has stopped to chat with a whistling predator who's smoking a cig and eating a baloney sandwich on his 10:30 a.m. break is 0-for-5,000,000."

These boys cover everything don't they!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

squashmo...

You do realize that most sports have their origins in violent feuding between neighboring sovereignties?

I suppose you want our military to line up in rows and wear bright red jackets and wait for the other side to loose their attacks out of respect for them.

This over course is a feeble attempt at a Mike H.

Nothing personal.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

JLC shouldn't be the beat writer.

I have no problem with a nonfan being the beat writer, but I do have a problem with a guy who hates the team and looks for every opportunity to bash them being the beat writer.

And JLC's lack of football knowledge is laughable.

Posted by: eppard03 | November 1, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Testing.....think I've got my old name back.....thanks Bigfish!

Posted by: Lisa | November 1, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"Wade will do fine" bandwagon and jump onto Heyer bandwagon.
-sween

Ha! I'm not the only one anymore. We should all wear shirts 3 sizes to small in support of playing my boy Stephon.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The only part about the registration that I'm lamenting is the loss on the space between my names

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 05:25 PM

It's not too late. You can still be Cindy's Boy Troll. I almost went from talent evaluator to troll evaluator. But, Jasno would never quote me in the print edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The only part about the registration that I'm lamenting is the loss on the space between my names

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

When JLC quotes statistics, why do people think that means he hates the team?

It's not enough to have a bunch of yes-men around saying what a great job you're doing. I think Jasno gives credit when it's due, but he raises a lot of solid points. Whether Jasno is a Skins fan or not, as a fan I personally appreciate him bringing these awful statistical trends (giving up 2nd half leads, barely throwing the ball despite a paltry running attack, an overall anemic offense, turnover ratios) to the attention of the coaches. I would like him to laminate those statistics and hang them on Al Saunders door.

THe first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It's not too late. You can still be Cindy's Boy Troll. I almost went from talent evaluator to troll evaluator. But, Jasno would never quote me in the print edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 06:12 PM

Good idea. I will let the RI nation determine what CBT stands for from post to post.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

eppard,

I too have an issue with JLC's lack of objectivity. I think he has a tendency to use quotes from sources and anecdotes and quote them as gospel.

He also has a compulsive need to feel right, not just correct, but right with respect to the blog entries. That's a problem for a journalist if it bleeds into his print work.

I'm also becoming increasingly annoyed with the use of teenage girl slang, "you guys rock!" But that's a personal peeve for me.

I will say, however, that on the whole I find his print articles basically informative and carefully written. I really had a big issue with the Heyer piece during preseason, but a blog is a place to vent and get more personal, so I'm willing to cut slack there.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Alright I've played this season out on Madden '08 on my PS3 and here's how it went;

First and foremost we had no significant injuries. We ended up with a record of 14-2 (already impossible). Only losses were the 1st game against the Eagles and to the Packers. Yes we beat the Pats but Tom Brady was injured.

Clinton Portis had a slow start to the season and didn't really get cranked up until midway through the year. Jason Campbell had a couple of good games but overall did not have too great of a season and led the league in INT's. Our defense was top notch and led the league in turnovers and defensive scoring.

First round bye in the playoffs. We won the Super Bowl against the Jags. Pro Bowlers included Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley.

So sub the Eagles game for the Giants, add a loss to the Pats because Brady didn't play in my game against them and there you have it. 13-3 and headed to the SB!

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

I don't have a problem with the stats, even though the math was fuzzy here and there (59+3=61?). I have a problem with anyone that uses a quote from Sam Wyche or Joe Gibbs 1.0, right after a game no less, as though it encompasses the entire ethos of sportsmanship.

I'm not going to comment on the Wilbon thing except to say see the entry on JLC's compulsivity.

There's also a big difference between what Wyche did to a sworn enemy and proven a$$ hat like Glanville and what Belichick did to Gibbs, who he claims to respect.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

bigfish-

Works for me!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

So, rub the magic lantern and out pops the genie to grant your three wishes.

First wish? Danny promotes Vinnie to General Manager! -- Granted.

Second wish? Vinnie fires Gibbs and gets a new coach! Granted -- Bill Parcells.

Third wish? Parcells apologizes to Jerry Jones for letting him down and forfeits two games this season to "Get the Skins ready for more important games to follow." -- Granted.

Oh, and all of you are drinking the KOOL AID. You've drunk so much that you're Stupid Skins Fans. Even your Stupid Blog requires registration because you're so stupid they don't want you crapping up their blog with your stupid thoughts.

Gotta go.

Posted by: troll | November 1, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Just had a read of the review on PGH. They show how the Pats used Welker as a lead blocker from the slot on running plays. Then once the run was established, because Welker had done a good job blocking on runs plays, our guys not only bit on the play action, but they avoided Welker, thinking he was blocking, which then left him wide open for the pass.

Pretty interesting stuff.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Never heard it called a Magic Lantern before.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought beer was a diuretic, which was part of the cause of a hangover, dehydration?

Not that I'm arguing of course!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

LarryBud,
I understand it's a different time and different coaches, but I did find the trip down memory lane interesting. There have always colorful coaches in the NFL, and sometimes it's fun to be reminded of them.

With regards to Belichick and Gibbs, I'm happy no mercy was shown. Redskin fans have suffered year after year though too many close defeats and blown halftime leads (as JLF has pointed out we're leading the NFL in blown leads over the past 4 years). Heartbreakers haven't given this team a killer instinct, so maybe a real a$$whooping will.

Remember, the last time the Redskins were thrashed like this? They lost 36-0 to the NY Giants in the 7th game, leaving them 4-3 on the season at that point. That was 2005, and they proceeded to make the playoffs (and they beat the Giants in the return game).

Whoop that a$$, wake this team up!!! Something's gotta change.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"Prof Garzon asked a group of students to do strenuous exercise in temperatures of around 40ºC (104ºF). Half were given a pint of beer, while the others received the same volume of water.

Prof Garzon, who announced the results at a press conference in Granada beneath a banner declaring "Beer, Sport, Health", said the hydration effect in those who drank beer was "slightly better"."

Not only that, but they were a hell of a lot more happier!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 - I agree, I was no where near as upset after the Pats game, compared to the Giants or Packers games!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 - I don't know if you read the article JustMe posted yesterday, but it talked about how the team were using it as a wake up call. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

After reading this quote from Smoot, the biggest thing I'm worried about this weekend (other than getting a win) is that he is pushing himself to come back too soon and he ends up injuring himself even more. I'm hoping that we get to see a lot of those young guys like Torrence and Eubanks not to mention the vet Macklin. Don't push Smoot too much yet.


"With Rogers out, Smoot is putting pressure on himself to get back. He expects to play in this Sunday's game against the New York Jets.

"I have to get healthy, point blank," Smoot said. "It's important for me to get back." "


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=30907

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Kost,
I hadn't seen the article... thanks for the link!

Alan

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,

Wonderful. Very original.

And I would describe you as an acronym for a Cantankerous, Uneducated, Niggardly Twit.

Niggardly in terms of your respect for others, of course.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't appreciate that remark. Yes we know the real meaning of that word but no one uses it in that aspect anymore. You sir are nothing but a fool.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

bigfish it worries me as well. I was saying yesterday that I think we should give him an extra week off. With Coles being out, I think our DB's will cope without him. But if he re-aggravates it, and is gone long term, his absence will hurt when we play pass happy teams, such as Philly, the following week.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Not directed at you BigFish. Also, if you think everyone on this blog knows the meaning of any one of those words (except, perhaps, twit), than you, sir, are the fool.

And, yes, people do use each of those words. It has its own meaning. It sounds like a word I would never use, but then again so do itch, luck, and any number of other words I am not about to abandon.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I threw that "than" in there for RedDMV. Little gift.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could say that I had faith in Bubba to make the decision as to whether or not he's ready to go but after all the hammy's I just can't do that. If he feels that he's ready he should suit up but maybe one of the other guys should get the start. If they don't do so well and Smoot feels like he can play then put him in. But if the other guys hold up then keep him on the sideline.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure eveyone on this blog other than the occasional Cowboys fan or teen troll knows multiple meaning of the word in question here. Honestly, do you think if someone like Hilary Clinton or John Edwards or Imus used that word, no matter what the intended meaning, that they would not be chastised for it? My point is that it was not necesarry for you to go there to make your point and some people do not appreciate it. It doesn't make you look any smarter. It only makes you look foolish IMHO.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Smoot said he was fine last weekend...wanted to play and seemed to be pissed the coaches held him out.

Posted by: Lisa | November 1, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Good to see your moniker is working out for you Lisa. I hope you're right about Smoot.

On a non-football related topic, what do you think about the Wizards loss last night?

I thought it should have been an easy win but I guess I was wrong. I know it's only one game but all I kept thinking was "If we had a good center we would be dangerous".

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, if that's the case then maybe last week was the "give him an extra week" week.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the interview on Skins.com where the reporter was teasing JC? She said ARE calls JC Lionel Ritchie LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I saw that jm. That was a great interview. I like the way that they said that the offense had some meetings this week and that this game vs the Jets was going to be a whole new start to the year. Did you notice the one reporter that asked the same question over and over before they finally got him to pay attention? "Jason, Do you want then to open up the playbook". He answered it with about as much class as you could ask for. He's a good guy.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

bigfish no question about it. He makes you want to pull for him. What about when she ask him to sing? He couldn't even hold back the laughter.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

That was the best part. I thought he was actually going to do it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

What do you reckon he'd crank out? A bit of Hello? Or some Dancing On The Ceiling action?

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

They asked him to sing something by Lionel but I don't remember which song it was. One thing that stuck out like a sore thumb was that JC and Randle-El have a great relationship with each other. Only if he could do the same with Moss and dare I say Receiver, The.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I did notice that during the game, when Receiver, The made his game changing catch (I say game changing, because did anyone notice that AFTER he made his catch, the Pats outscored us 52-7!) he had quite a few players go to him and congratulate him. I get the impression that his relationship with his teammates isn't too bad.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

SJK the Indians. They probably sold the land FedEx is on for a couple bottles of fire water and some shiny beads. Now they want to complain that they aren't taken seriously?

Maybe if they had spent the 1000 years before Chris Columbus sailed the ocean blue inventing weapons and mastering warfare like Europe did instead of becoming one with nature or planting corn or whatever nonsense they were up to, they would still have their own lands and they could decide how to name a football team. As it is, they can stick to naming their casinos.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 30, 2007 01:06 PM

And I would describe you as an acronym for a Cantankerous, Uneducated, Niggardly Twit.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 07:16 PM

Mike Haslup--

You have a way with words, don't you? Yesterday you were up here as Mike H. going after the Indians, and now you're calling people niggardly for no particular reason. You have disdain for anyone who makes a typo. You seem angry at everyone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Man, JLC is contradicting himself and he doesn't even know it.

He is clearly saying Gibbs apologized and agreed that he unintentionally ran up the score.

This is the complete opposite of what's happening here.

I generally respect JLC and his opinions but he could not be farther off base on this one.

Posted by: hardhitter | November 1, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,

First, as I said yesterday, the discussion of the team name was meant i jest and thats how most people took it.

Second, if you are being serious, I believe they prefer being called American Indians. Indians, as my half-Cherokee friend often tells me, are from India.

Third, I never became angry with RedDMV about his error, I was just doing him a favor and pointing it out for future reference. He became angry and I regret that.

You called me a sociopath, so I can't say you have exactly taken the high road.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Um...this is Mike H.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

No - I am Mike H.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

lol

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

eppard,

Couldn't agree more. It's really a shame when out of town fans come here to get "inside info" on the team and constantly get biased, synder bashing commentary!! Really pathetic. Especially when Lacan'twrite tries to prove himself right and contadicts himself. Truely a JOKE.

Posted by: carymowerandsaw | November 1, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

No...seriously...I am Mike H.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I've been trying to post a few good beer ads, just to lighten the mood a tad, but it won't let me?

All of a sudden we can't post youtube links?

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I see registration is working well.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

registration is niggardly.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

And the final one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4fBK3d8hk

Maybe there has always been a limit to how many links you have per post.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This is F-ing annoying. Is bigotmike and mhaslup the same person?

Can people still duplicate your name?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

mhaslup is am imposter. I am the real Mike H.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

kost
Flashbeer is awesome
hilarious
thanks

Posted by: rbd202 | November 1, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I hate Indians, American Indians, Brits, Jews, Muslims, Orientals, Blacks, Spics and Canadians. White Supremacy!!!!

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

ok...I requested that all the mhaslup and bigotmike posts from today be deleted since he was pretending to be me, Mike H.

By the way, this ismy new handle. I could not do the space in Mike H.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow bigotmike. What time does the klan meeting start?

Posted by: cdubb | November 1, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

new blog same as the old blog

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

long underwear

Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 1, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the fact that the name stealer has to try a little harder to get a rise out of everyone only encourages him/her more.

ITA 2.0

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice try LiberalMike but this the real Mike H. Clan meeting has different start times depending on what location you want to attend.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

kost,

Thanks for posting the beer commercials! I assume from your earlier reviews that you wouldn't actually drink any of the beers that are being advertised. Those commercials are so much better than the current Coors campaign with retired football coaches.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

ITA 2.0

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 09:26 PM

I love it!

Let's hope there is more success here than has been shown through Gibbs 2.0.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Riggo is usually a stumblin' bumblin' idiot on his radio show, but he was talking tonight about how this is a make or break game. Even if we still win, but it's a nailbiter, that it could be the beginning of the end for Gibbs. I'm not so sure about that, but I agree that they need to win resoundingly and get their groove back.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 1, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

TE, these are mainstream beers, which in my opinion don't really compare to micro-breweries.

I do like VB and Carlton Draught though.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I love the name Redskins. Maybe we should change to the Squaws, Gasbags, Guteaters, Wagon Burners or Bushniggars.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Will the real Mike H please stand up!

Posted by: pmedvene33 | November 1, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

TE, by the way, how'd you go with your brother's birthday? Sort him out?

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Standing

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Made it. Now lets get this offense in gear this weekend....seems to me that our two biggest playmakers on paper Moss and Portis need to play up to thier billing...both have been very disapointing thus far....there is something to have your biggest play makers make some plays to fire up the team and get some momentum going.....not worried at all about our defense injury to doublemove and all we are fine there and will continue to be... its all about our offense has been from the begining....Campbell needs to continue to develope getting afeel for game situations, reading defenses and leading the team.....have to start using Moss deep/and or in thee middle of the field to losen the D and open some running lanes for Portis at the point of attack since he doesn't have the ability to create or feel for the holes on his own...disapointing

Posted by: Oldschool | November 1, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I am the real Mike H. Going to take a few days off and wait until that fool gets bored.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 1, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

I was just wondering whether I should fess up or not. I just got pictures today from his mate who helped me with the ruse. The guy not only bought him seven cases of beer for $200 US, but then put bogus shipping labels indicating they'd come airfreight from Washington, DC.

My brother still hasn't figured out what really happened. He even told his mate "I wish he'd just sent me the money. I could have bought all this for around $200 US and saved him the shipping costs."

Now, the reason I was reluctant about telling you this is because of the beer selection. I asked his mate to pick out what my brother would like. I sent him your list. (He was duly impressed about how well I knew my Oz micros). He assured me that my brother would enjoy those beers, but that my brother went for quantity rather than quality.

So the bottom line is this (I'm looking at the picture this moment): three cases of Grolsch, two Tuborg, one Singha, one Peroni.

At least there were no Fosters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of LiberalMike trying to steal my identity. Can we do something about this? This is ridiculous. F Fake posters!

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike H. While you're on the sabbatical, study some game film.

This should keep you busy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_N4LW3pQpFo&feature=bz301

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA!! Not an Aussie Beer in sight! Oh well, everyone has different tastes!

Great present still!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Registration hasn't seemed to slow the comments much, thats good...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 1, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

kost--

Not an Aussie beer, but my brother informed me that the Tuborg was brewed in NZ. That particularly got him -- brewing it in NZ, shipping it to DC, and then air freight to Adelaide. "That must have cost a fortune."

His mate sent me two T Shirts today that say James Squire, Australia's finest name in beer, from Malt Shovel Brewery. Should I wear them with pride?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

CL--Not only did it not slow the comments, but it doesn't seem to have stopped the trolls. Also, Nate says someone stole his name today and he's left in a snit. About the only thing it's stopped is anonymous posts and I'm sure someone will crack that in a day or two.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

F Caneaters, Roofukcers and Skips.

Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

F the Chicago Fing Fire

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

We have lost our country to the immigrants and our blog to registration.

Sitting Bull

Darn it did not work again.

Give us our blog back.

Posted by: mul | November 1, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, I'm not quite sure what to make of that Wizards game last night. I was hoping they would win - especially since the Pacers were missing 2 starters. But most of the fans on the Wiz blog are crazed and act like our season is already over - just like Skins fans. What does worry me greatly is that we play the new and highly improved Celtics tomorrow night so will start the season 0-2. That's not good.

Posted by: Lisa | November 1, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think the WP is going to stop the duplicate names. They are old media.

They have to get the head guys at post.com to change there registration procedure. I don't think they are going to do that for this forlorn blog of the darned.

They won't even get people who know football to report on the skins.

This is their lowest point sense they were reporting Bill's spooge in 98.


AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mul | November 1, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I hate Indians, American Indians, Brits, Jews, Muslims, Orientals, Blacks, Spics and Canadians. White Supremacy!!!!
Posted by: bigotmike | November 1, 2007 09:22 PM
__________________________________________

Hello Bigotmike,
Let me ask you, "Do you then also hate Jesus?"

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 1, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

thinking of Bigotmike,

Speaking of losers:
Anybody ever see this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-mQ6t3eBno&NR=1

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 1, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

what's a wizard? someone who wizzes? There are other sports besides football? Who knew?

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | November 1, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

they missed sean taylor spitting

we could have had 3 out of 10!

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | November 1, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

ahhh yes, I forgot about Sean Taylor spitting.

Westbrook was a real jerk wasn't he?
Beating up on Davis sitting there
Davis was still a durable performer for some time after Westbrook had washed out!

Good to see you here noone.from.tampa!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 1, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

watch this and you will know why they traded up in Rd 1 in 1992 draft to select what they thought would give them a game breaker!

In actuality, he gave them nothing.

Uggghhhhh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uuxx5QQS1s

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 1, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

I will say this again. Guys fit systems. Many times guys transcend systems but there is usually a system that works best for the guys talent. As there are 'west coast' qbs there are also Gibbs WRs. Small quick guys can be effective in Gibbs offense but are not effective in the west coast - the offense of Pettibone - or Norv's offense (Irvin and Westbrook) physical recievers. That is probablly why Howard did not do Jack (or even Westbrook) for us. Even in GB he was only an effective returner.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

and yet, he was a Super Bowl MVP.
Looking back, with the onrush of Free Agency and the age of the skins -- particularly in the trenches -- that's a draft pick you'd like to have traded down for, not traded up for. But with the last pick in each round, the trade value is not that high.
They had 10 other picks that year, I've heard of exactly one of them -- the last player picked in the entire draft, C Matt Elliot, from Michigan.
Charlie Casserly -- what a body of work!

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

BY the way...THIS IS NOT FREAKIN BOSTON...STOP TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER CITIES TEAMS>>>WE DON"T CARE!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 2, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Guess it is, Always Sunny in Philadelpia!!

at least it is in Andy Reid's medicine cabinet/armoire!!

Posted by: filmchis | November 2, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Just read the post.

Why is JLaC alking about people whining? Who is whinning. The media grabs this non-story and tries to turn it into a story. Ridiculous..........

The blogger formerly known as 4th...

Posted by: RightWay | November 2, 2007 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

Gibbs just said that it was going to be a "tough deal UP THERE" in NY. He also talked up the Jets like they were the 2nd coming of the 72 Dolphins. What a dope.

As far as Smoot goes, does it really shock anyone that he was shocked he didn't play last week. These coaches have no balls. None. Instead of being up front and honest with people they beat around the bush and lie. This has been the staple of Gibbs-led teams since his first go around. Add Snyder into the mix and you're dealing with a franchise that should be run out of HELL, not Washington, DC.

We haven't even reached the tip of the iceberg yet, folks. It's going to have to get a lot uglier before it gets any better, but Snyder will never let that happen. Let's overspend and overspend and go 5-11 to 8-8 every year instead or 'actually' rebuilding.

Danny needs to FIRE this dope running the team and remove his bust from Canton, take the cap hits on all of these jerks and overpaid players (HE SIGNED), hire a GM and 'actually' building/re-build through the DRAFT, hire a competent Head Coach who doesn't sit on leads and doesn't sound like a retard, and BACK THE F OFF and let the football people make the football decisions. You can still have fun in candy land, but stay away from the football decisions and keep raking your loyal fans over the coals.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"Since halftime of the Green Bay game the Redskins have played 10 quarters of football. They have 3 offensive TDs."
Six of those 10 quarters were without Rabach. The other four were against a team that may require us to get John Facenda back to do justice to the story. Rabach at half strength is better than Pucillo, but with Thomas and Jansen out he needs to be more like 90% if we're going to run the ball effectively.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Danny needs to...

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 08:01 AM

That right there is an Action Plan, my man, but my heart goes out to you because it ain't never gonna happen.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Just read Mike Wise's column - what a crock. He thinks the glass is half full - I hope he's right but right now it looks 3/4 empty. The O line is the disaster everyone thought it would be if anyone got injured and the D line is not looking good either. They better step up Sunday and keep stepping up for four quarters of every remaining game.

Posted by: tcnovakjr | November 2, 2007 8:13 AM | Report abuse

After reading the article in the post about getting more physical, I fear that now instead of throwing a 5 yard pass on 3rd, and 8, we're going to run it into the line, for no gain. Good plan guys, don't OPEN THE OFFENSE UP, but rather, try and fix something by being more physical. Why not just give our game plan to the other team before the game, so that there's no doubt what our plan is.

Are there any young coach's out there that we can bring in, because this coach isn't getting it done.

Bring in Grimm to coach the offensive line, but just get Joe out of there. This was almost a predictable response after Campbell had 4 turnovers on Sunday. We're going to be so conservative now, we might not even attempt a pass this game.

Un-friggin-believable.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 2, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino,

Yep, this sunday is going to be painful to watch. I would put my house on the under, even if it was at 20 points.

We must have the worst offensive game plan, week in and week out, in the history of the NFL.

But hey, don't worry, they're "going about things the right way UP HERE".

daggar,

I hear ya, man. It's hard to be positive about anything this franchise does because you ultimately know the wrong decision will be made sooner or later.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse


Season's over, folks. Does anyone really care about what happens with the Jets? We can't play with the big boys, not under Gibbs anyway. If we'd have lost 24-10, or 31-14, or 35-21, there'd at least be something respectable to look back on. But the only team we laid a lick on was the Lions-the friggin' Lions! I mean, who shouldn't put a beatdown on them?

No way I see a blowout in this one either. Jets will hang around and keep it close due to our own mistakes. If a one-armed quarterback can almost pull out a win, I won't take for granted what a two-armed quarterback in his 2nd start will do.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 2, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' RI - I guess the brass came out w/ another message of conservatism.

Can't say I didn't see THAT comin'... huhuhu.

HAIL!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Man some of us up here are some Henny Penny Mofos up here. Give me the realistic, informed and balanced commentary by my boy Old School anyday than this constant middle school girl type talk....

RB- I generally find you entertaining but you do hit the same note over and over again...the fact that what Gibbs says in his pressers upsets u so much I find a combination of hysterical and disturbing....it doesnt matter its the most unconsequential thing happening at the park. His pressers are carbon copies of the ones he gave in Gibbs 1.0, with different results so obviously it doesnt matter either way.....all football coaches talk like that from HS on up...it babble....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Tailback Clinton Portis is mired in a season-and-a-half-long funk, hardly resembling the explosive threat who produced 1,516 yards in 2005, while his accomplished understudy, Ladell Betts, languishes on the bench

Are you F kidding me!!! One good season and now he is a accoplished understudy. Wow you are really reaching on that one.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love Joe Bugel

"There's your shoulder pad, put it underneath my shoulder pad," Bugel said. "Don't play with your big fat belly and your soft breast; play with your shoulder pad. That's run blocking

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

SeanTizzy2DaHizzy that one had me rolling as well. I think they will come out strong this weekend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

RB, this is Greg(Boston), just so that you know.

The thing that I don't get, is what makes them think that by merely being more physical, we're going to get it done?? What have they seen that say's just be more physical, that will correct all that ails you.
Maybe their right, maybe this is what is the problem, but I'm sorry, I just don't see that happening. Why Gibbs is so resistant to change, I don't understand? His system isn't working. We don't have the guys up front to be a power running team. Not to mention that no one respects our passing game, so this makes it twice as hard to establish the run.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 2, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Coming in to this late, unfortunately.

First: JLC, your example is apples and oranges. Wyche had a grudge against Glanville.

Second: Going for it on 4th down twice was unforgiveable.

Third: You've obviously never played a day of "real" athletic competition in your life. Madden doesn't count.

Fourth: You're an idiot.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | November 2, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Shuttle,

I don't think they said get conservative. I think they said smash mouth football.

Until we can run the ball we'll see a 2-deep zone. If you want to blast Gibbs for not "going long" then blame Gibbs the GM for not getting a big reciever.

As it is right now teams are going to play a 2-deep zone against us until we prove we can run against 7-man fronts. Sub 6-foot recievers + 2-deep zone = no chance at long throws.

Once you see that Strong Safety sneek into the box you'll start seeing us go up top, not sooner. Running and Passing games do not exist in vacuums unless you are running the "west coast" offense where short passes take the place of runs. If you want to run "west coast" start the "trade Jason Cambell" posts cause he's not a west coast QB.

This team needs to find an identity. Spread out the defense and pass 60% of the time or out physical em and run the ball down their throats. This back-n-forth SJK is getting old.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Here wr go again ! Talk of getting physical, Portis putting the team on his back, beating the Jets to move to 5-3 and then shazzam....10-6 ! Doesn't the talk of returning to "Redskin football" crop up this time every season when it is slipping away ? Why not take care of business and beat NYG and GB ? Not escape from Arizona and Miami at home ? Everybody is watching quarterly results when there is no business plan for strategic growth. The Skins are fiddling while the season burns.

Posted by: i155133 | November 2, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

chris larry,

I find it disturbing that you don't find his idiotic press conferences disturbing.

to each their own, richard head.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

One more thing. The sky isn't falling folks. The team's record is 4-3. After Sunday it will hopefully be 5-3 at the halfway point of the season. As of now we have the 10th best record in the league and the 5th best record in the conference. Six teams make the playoffs.

Posted by: ygbrown2001 | November 2, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

BALANCE! beep boop boop

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

All that counts is the record at the end of the season, not today. And the schedule gets tougher. The same trends keep happening - too much talk and not enough results. The NYJ have nothing to lose and the Skins normally plan down to their level of competition.

Posted by: i155133 | November 2, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

RB,

What happened to you man? You used to be funny, sardonic and friendly. Now you've become this broken record of Chicken Little. Come on man.

Skinz

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Skinz,

Come on, man. It's all good. No chicken little here.

Speaking of broken records, how bout dem Redskins?

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

jm220, i agree...

our pro betts blogger strikes again...

Others on the staff believe Betts could contribute more with a bigger role, sources said, but they lack the authority to alter personnel.

who are these sources? when teams face the Skins, their first priority is not gearing up to stop Ladell Betts.

Posted by: gregskins | November 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

To be honest gregskins I am really getting tired of reading JLC articles. The same old same old for him. Just once I would like to see one story from him giving the team some credit. Why not talk about the team being just one win away at the half way mark that they had all last year. And they are doing with a make shift line and O that hasn't hit it stride. But hey some people like to focus on the negative and get enjoyment out of it.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

JLC, you freakin' suck. You have turned what used to be the best source on the net for Redskins news and articles into a seething pile of crap. If I ever run across you I'm going to punch you in the eye, assault charges be damned.

Please quit the Post, as it's quite obvious that you hate the Redskins. I don't need a homer writing articles but I would like someone with a little integrity who doesn't insert his negative opinion in EVERY piece.

Posted by: TC13 | November 2, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Come on TC13. You can disagree with him but leave the attacks out of it.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to ruffle any feathers up here but if all you want is fluff and roses then stick to reading the one sided articles on redskins.com. The only issue that I have with Jasno right now is his unwillingness to let the Pats game go. Other than that all is good.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't get why anyone feels the need to defend Portis. I think Betts would be a better choice at RB for us right now for one big reason: Our line sucks.

Betts hits the hole quicker.

He is bigger.

He's a slasher.

All of those make him a better fit for an O-line that:

Isn't holding it's blocks.

Isn't opening up big holes.

Isn't getting to the second level.


I'm not saying any of this is Portis' fault or that he's not as good as Betts. I'm just saying right now I think Betts is a better fit.

If we were opening up holes and Sellers was able to take on a LB or Safety then Portis' speed and vision would be better. But that aint happenin.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

bigfish I don't want that either but hell I don't want negative sht in every story. You would think we were 0-8. We have a game coming up that puts us 2 over 500 and he was still talking about the Pats. New week and new game. And to call Betts a "accomplished back". Please even you can't agree with that statement.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to face it now - it's no longer a league where smashmouth, on it's own, can do it for ya. It's too talented a league for that.

I don't think it's a matter of technique, it's a matter of attitude, posture and ability. Do you believe you can win? Do others know you can beat them? Are the coaches putting you in a position to win? All too many times this season, the answer has been a resounding NO!

I hope this team can prove otherwise this weekend. If we can't do it against the Jets, it's going to be a long hard season of excuses.

Can we get some SWINGIN SOULS in here?!@

BALANCE!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

What I find amusing is that a 20-something year old guy who has NO professional coaching experience thinks he has all the answers over a well established coaching staff. Hilarious!

Posted by: Lisa | November 2, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

And one last thing about Betts. I guess JLC and everyone else is forgetting the fumbles last year that cost us at least 2 games.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"... seems to me that our two biggest playmakers on paper Moss and Portis need to play up to thier billing ... both have been very disapointing thus far ..."

Posted by: Oldschool | November 1, 2007 09:50 PM

My same thoughts. This week, the story out of the Park has been that they are throwing it all out and starting over on offense. I'm hoping that that mumbo jumbo just means that these two guys -- who USED to be the spiritual leaders and pacemakers/jumper cables for the offense -- start playing like it was 2005. Meet the new boss -- same as the old boss. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think it's Jasno's duty to write about the stuff that Danny controlled sites won't write about and most of the time that consists of negativity but I'll say it once again...It is time to put the Pats game in the past where it belongs. And whoever called Betts and "accomplished back" should be taken behind the WaPo dumpster and given a few shots to the gut.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"It's hard to be positive about anything this franchise does because you ultimately know the wrong decision will be made sooner or later."
Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 08:28 AM

Now that is LMGO funny! I think you slipped past "hard to be positive" sometime last year...

Just keep in mind that if this isn't fun, then you gotta do something to make it fun. I want to see the team do well, but I'm a lot less sapient than most people Up Here about what the problem is and how to fix it.
Except that we need to return to Lust for Mayhem -- Lust for Bewilderment didn't work all that well.
And the plan to get the Pats running around so much that they'd be tired in the 4th quarter was neither strategically or tactically sound.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

So has Gibbs made this year's statement that "we are returning to Redskins football" now?

Maybe that's just his way of saying "Betts starts until further notice". Portis is obviously not right, maybe he can make more impact as the change of pace than as the starter?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

That would be JLC

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

gregskins,

thanks for pointing out my mistake for me. actually, you have proven my point even more. the raiders got randy moss for only a 4th round pick, while the skins got equally character flawed lloyd for a 3rd round in 06 and a 4th round in 07. sounds to me the patriots came on the better end if you ask me. and as usual, for the 2nd time in the gibbs II era, the gm/coach gibbs has made a terrible deal bringing in another free agent who seems content at riding the bench then on making plays on the field.
Gibbs needs help from himself badly. An owner opening his check book like Snyder has the past few years and STILL not getting a decent return on his investment is not good business. if this had been anyone other coach but St. Gibbs, he would have been fired by now.

Posted by: tdmi | November 2, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Let me revise and extend my remarks. When I said "L4M didn't work all that well", I really meant "L4M didn't work at all...

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

With all the negativity up here I thought this link to make the Redskins number 1 would help. We have this in our control to win, just gotta vote for your favorite team, right now we are in 2nd place and last year we came in 5th
http://www.chunky.com/clickforcansvote.aspx

Posted by: connskins | November 2, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Lisa ROOLZ!
JlaC DROOLZ!

lol.

got 2 keep ur name, eh? ;-)

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Also, re: the thread starter and references to statistics. I think there was a quote about something like "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics." As a smoke/mirror manipulator myself, I often find it persuasive to start a bit of advocacy with a statistical reference. Nothing says "trap" like a statistic ... its b/c statistics are SUPPOSED to be neutral that they have so much covert persuasive force. Also, increasing the precision tends to make it MORE persuasive. The opportunity to through in irrelevant stats to make an argument look stronger (or weaker) is always there and rarely detected. Trident Gum used the top all time statistic mislead -- and it wasn't even brand-specific, "Four out of five recommend sugarfree gum for their patients who chew gum." [The statistic neglects to note that one out of five dentists acts in his/her economic self-interest when they say "Chew whatever the hell you want, just come back to me ever six months."]

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Cload, are you a homo-sapient ?

..not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

and of course, it should be "L4B", not "L4M" that didn't work.

nb. that it has to be L4B, because LFB would be London Fletcher-Baker, and he has actually worked, and I'd be very much afraid of him tackling me in a L4M moment...

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

There's also a quote from a UK comedian , Vic Reeves, who said "78.33% of all statistics are made up on the spot".

Are you in marketing 'sween?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

cload, I'm pro-mayhem and I vote. The only reason lust for mayhem has not worked so far is because it has not been directed at the appropriate offensive player at the appropriate time with definitive results. Well-played lust for mayhem COULD HAVE changed the results in the Patriots game, for example, when their baby daddy QB ran for their first TD ... with two safeties with hard core L4M were on the field. Trent Green was able to the play for part of another season when HE tried that foolishness. Brady Daddy got lucky that the L4M was under control.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

JM,

I agree with you about the fumbles that cost us games but it's not like Portis hasn't put it on the ground either.

I think the biggest mistake in the running game is zone blocking. Buges didn't make lines great teaching zone blocking and zone blocking isn't unlike pass blocking in the sense that you aren't coming off the ball punishing d-lineman.


The increase in % passing downs has little to do with skill increase and alot to do with rule changes. CB's are at a distinct disadvantage now compared with 10 years ago. Henceforth the prevalence of cover 2. CB's can no longer any reciever 1 on 1.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Sorry that second paragraph was intended for Dikshuttle.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

dik -- my only other option was "smart", which apparently gets changed by the blog software to "SuperSmart"... I was trying to avoid that.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, ST2DH, can we do that blocking thing that we did at the end of last year? I liked it when we did that. Was that zone blocking?

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Forgive me, but for some reason this game is starting to stink.

The Jets have been in all but 2 games this year. They are better than a 1-7 team. CAn anybody remember the last time the Skins played well in that NJ swamp?

Skins better play better than they did in the Cards and Pats games or they will lose.

Posted by: gdennie | November 2, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

JASNO, it's bad enough to dwell on it ALL WEEK, but using Sally Jenkins as a backup source? Come on........ She should really stick with articles about how to not to fix Title 9.

Posted by: Jahswim | November 2, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

So who else will be cheering for the Eagles on Sunday? It feels dirty but it's better than cheering for that other team.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

dag,

We did a bit of both. We've always done more zone blocking with Portis in the game because that is what they did in denver. I never understood the theory that it's easier to make 5 O-lineman adjust to zone blocking rather than making 1 RB adjust but hey.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Lisa hit the nail on the head with her post earlier. There is a significant and growing discontent with JLC despite his defenders (sorry bigfish). All you have to do is look at the Wizards Insider to see how much better it could be.

Here's a better example...the Orioles hired John "T-Bone" Shelby as a base coach the other day. Roch Kubatko immediately blogged about a good story from O's past. At the same time, Roch isn't a homer in the sense that he holds any illusions that the O's are any good. He doesn't and they aren't. But he still does a good job and makes you want to read what he has to write. I'd bet more people come here to read the message board than JLC's content.

The difference my friends is these other bloggers don't fill their posts with know-it-all cynicism like JLC does. There's also a difference between honest critical thoughts (like we don't run/pass the ball enough) and including paragraphs in your dispatches about someone getting the owner water. It's arrogant and it reeks of a hateful grudge.

Newsflash JLC...we don't like Snyder either but we don't want this superfluous negativity around our favorite team. We have enough to deal with as Redskins fans.

Posted by: Glass_Half_Full | November 2, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I think it is really too early to know who to root for in the Cowgirls/Eagles game. I always get some satisfaction out of watching dallas lose, but the Eagles aren't exactly out of it yet and another home division loss would pretty much eliminate them.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 2, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Living "deep in the heart of...", I find that it my duty, nay, my sacred obligation to root for the Eagles on Sunday.

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"I'd bet more people come here to read the message board than JLC's content."

I'll agree with you on that. I don't follow the O's but I do read the Wizards blog and it is done very well. I think part of the reason for that is because those guys are Wizards fans and they're also linked to the Wizards website so they have a great relationship with the team and management (evident by Gilbert making gestures to them during games among other things). WaPo does not have that kind of relationship with the Redskins for some reason.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why they care what JLa writes? Does it really matter if you think it's got a negative bias? I still don't get it. He seems to back up all his comments with stats.

He's not a cheerleader, he's a journalist. They are supposed to be skeptical by nature and this team hasn't been good for a generation and just had it's worst loss in 40 years!!!

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Living "deep in the heart of...", I find that it my duty, nay, my sacred obligation to root for the Eagles on Sunday.

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 10:42 AM

That's exactly how I feel being here in DFW.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

For the past couple of weeks I haven't read all of JLC post. I don't want a hommer and it really doesn't bother me that he doesn't like the team. But it is clear that he has allowed his dislike for the team to enter his stories and post. It very well could be me but the spirit of his reporting last year was much better.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

SeanTizzy2DaHizzy please explain to me what fact is he using with Betts. One good year doesn't makes him a accomplished back. But you are right it no big deal what he writes because I do come here to read the board now and not what he writes.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I was actually referring to RickyBobby in my earlier post - but the same comments could apply to JLC as well - although JLC is not in his 20s.

Posted by: Lisa | November 2, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Did Ricky Bobby just call me a Dick Head.....sweet!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Living "deep in the heart of...", I find that it my duty, nay, my sacred obligation to root for the Eagles on Sunday.

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 10:42 AM

That's exactly how I feel being here in DFW.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 10:49 AM

I concur in San Antonio.

Posted by: puttinforbird | November 2, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I just can't do it no matter what. Go Eagles.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

JLaC can on a dudes nerves, specially if that dude is a skins fan, but he has a distinct style and he is committed to that. I respect the commitment to his "voice" I am kind of a snarky azz hole writer myself, so I certainly can't hate.

I def come here more for the posters, although thats not a Neg on Janso. And he does get some good info.

Snyder is so horrendous its hard not to bash, I can't blame him for that. I view it the same way I do the "running up the score" issue...stop them! and if Snyder wants to be liked, how but not being a complete jerk off of a human being!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Ah, San Antonio, DFW, Houston - the trifecta! Now if we can just find someone in Austin to join us!

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

All the skins fans in texass going to the game on the 18th?

Posted by: puttinforbird | November 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Austin Rulz
The rest of TX drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | November 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

There used to be someone up here from Austin. Too bad this state is so damn big. We could actually have a RI meet up comparable to those Stumptown guys.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I have relatives coming to town that weekend. We'll be watching at my place. We were going to get tickets but there are too many of us.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

He didn't use any facts JM you are right there but absence of proof is not proof of absence.

2005 is an eternity away in the NFL and my guess is that since then Betts has more yards, better ypc and ypg than Portis.

Is Portis the better runner, pass blocker, all around player than Betts? Certainly 2 years ago and probably even today. Is Portis the best back for the Offense today? I'm not so sure. I'd like to see Betts start the game and find out this week. Perhaps what we'll find out is he's not.

We have no real options for change at QB, RB, WR, O-line and TE but we do at RB and clearly something needs to change. I'm willing to take the chance this week and find out.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I get hives when I get near Dallas

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Sorry meant no options at FB not RB (Half back)

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been to lil d yet. I'm new to this giant red state.

Posted by: puttinforbird | November 2, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, in the early 70's I spent 2 years and 8 months in Beeville, Tx, a small town half way between San Antonio and Corpus Christi. I only got to see the skins play twice each year. Not a lot of pleasant memories.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 2, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

I do that to see if anyone will pick up on it... nice work.

Lisa,

I never said I could coach better than Joe Gibbs. I just think his conservative approach to each and every game, especially with a slim lead in the 3rd quarter, is extremely laughable.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 2, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How can you guys sit there and keep blaming Portis when we have 2 of the same lineman that we had last year starting and even one them has missed games? On the right side we have 2 guys that would not be starters on any team in the NFL if it weren't for injuries. I cannot begin to put blame on a RB when our line is shot to hell.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Cripes?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 2, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I think that the Pats game shows the difference between Gibbs 1.0 and 2.0 - (channeling Capt'n Obvious!) As Wilbon pointed out, they just don't seem to have a killer instinct. I think Gibbs would make a great soccer coach.

If they lose to the reeling Jets, I'm calling it quits for this year.

-charlie

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 2, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Im guessing there will be no TCCL's today. Since the rankings only go to -1000000.

Does anyone else think we are begging to be a west coast, 3 step drop, quick strike with slants and screens and such... offense?

We have playmakers, get the ball into their hands in space and let them run.

Our O line will not be able to provide enough time for the 8 step drop, 20 yard deep passing routes. That also requires Cooley to block. Stop JC's fumblitis when he gets hit.

Portis getting stuffed near the line so swing it out to him in space where he is naturally at his best.

And Just to keep D's honest, run Betts.

Moss just needs to see the ball more and he will become a force again.

Shoot, even Lloyds two catches came on quick hitting slants.

And Randle El is a punt returner with rediculous moves once the ball is in his hands. Stop letting DB's get their hands on him or having him run 20 yard in's where he is surrounded by defenders.

Then when Db's start pressing to take that away, pump and go, deep bombs over the top.

Why is it so clear to me and no one else on the team?

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 2, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

bifish, I don't think people are blaming Portis. They are saying "what we're doing hasn't worked, so let's try something different". As ST2DH said, there just aren't any other meaningful changes that could be made.

I don't think anyone advocated deactivating Portis, so there's no reason why he couldn;t get into the game as an impact player and then maybe keep running if it works, but it appears to this disinterested observer, that it looks worth taking a chance on giving Betts more guaranteed carries at the start of the game to see if he can establish the run for you.

That said I think that setting your stall out as a 'run first' team is probably a mistake - particularly by telling the opposition that is what you are going to do. Althouhg I suppose it might be a double bluff on Gibbs' part....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

My final thoughts on this CP vs Betts. We all agree that CP have better vision and moves than Betts. If CP is getting hit in the backfield and not able to shake the tacklers off. What makes you think that Betts who has no moves can? When has Betts broke anything over 30 yards? (not even sure he had a run of 30 yards last year)

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

It all comes down to how the line is going to do.

If Soup isn't getting smacked around and dropping the ball, if we don't need to stay in Max Protect all game long, then we can generate some yardage and eat up clock while scoring some points.

If the line can't do that, NOTHING is really going to work. Cover 2 will cancel out all but the best timed quick slants and the running game will continue to stall.

Hail Buges coachin' up the line
Hail Portis carryin' tha load
Hail Betts comin' off the bench & makin' it work.

Hail 'Skins!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

bigfish,

If that was directed at me. Please read my post at 10:01. I'm not interested in placing blame on anyone. I'm interested solving the issue.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Jm, I think the thinking with Betts is that he is more of an 'attritional' runner. His effectiveness grows as his carries grow. It would be interesting to compare his YPC in the 3rd/4th quarter vs. 1st/2nd in his starting games last year.

We had the same challenge with Ronnie Brown at the Fins. There was some evidence that he gets stronger with more carries but Cam didn't believe it. Once he committed to Ronnie as the starter rather than sharing carries, his numbers went through the roof. And then of course, he went to the IR.

* sigh *

Could be the same with Betts, and it's worth checking out for one game, isn't it? It's just not something you can emulate in practice, you have to commit to it in a real game.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

My rant wasn't specifically directed at ST2TH but more towards all of the "Sit Portis, Give Betts the start" rants of late. For the record I agree with jm also.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Why do we have to keep "returning to Redskins football"? If we return to it the second half of every season of Gibbs 2.0, shouldn't it be in place for the beginning of next season? I just wish somebody would stand-up and take some responsibility for the shotty coaching/play calling/etc.,c that has plaqued this offense for years.

Posted by: NCICURN | November 2, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I have to say people, this blog is rokkin'

can't WAIT for the Jitts game!!


J-E-T-S
Suck
Suck
Suck!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I remember one game during Gibbs 1.0. In the first half the O-line was being stuffed. Looked like we were going to be crushed. Could run OK but before the qb (I think it was Theisman) could set up he was being pressured and sacked.

So the second half, Gibbs had him start rolling out and throwing quick slants to his receivers or quick pitch outs to the rb's. Won the game.

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 2, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

NCICURN I really think Coach Joe listen to people talk about in order to win the O have to be more wide open. Not that I have anything against Saunders but it seems brining him in was a mistake.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For the record nothing would make me happier than to see Portis blow it on sunday. The guy love to run and block downfield for his WR's and QB runs. He blows up pass rushers.

I'd like to give the it to Betts early and often and then have Portis come in and finish em off. Give that try. In our most effective rushing effort of the season each had 17 runs. (Sorry RC)

I read somewhere today that the Bears and Skins are the only two teams without a run of 20 yards +. So I don't think anyone is breaking the long runs.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

ST2DH -- so here is my conundrum. I think it's pretty clear that Portis is a better RB than Betts. I think it's pretty clear that the team thinks that, which is the only thing I can base my belief on.
So there are some people on the team (staff) that "want to give Betts a bigger role"; does that mean start him? Because from what I see, the problem when we have struggled has been a bunch of 3-and-outs, followed by a six minute drive by the opposing team, then another 3-and-out. They never get a chance to move to Betts because they haven't started -- much less sustained -- drives. If Portis was tired, I'd buy the Betts thing; if Portis is so badly hurt that Betts is better, than start him.
There is really only one vote on this one, as far as I'm concerned -- Earnest Byner. The fact that Buges, or Grilliams, or the special-assistant-quality-control-and-bottled-water-coach want to see more Betts is not particularly relevant; if Jasno wants to report that Byner is begging to start Betts and is being ignored, that is what he should say.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Here is a record of Jasno's recent articles: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/jason+la+canfora/

On the surface, you'd think he's pretty balanced. He has both negative-spin and positive-spin articles. A lot of his short pieces are fact-based bits about who is starting, injured etc and don't fall into either category.

However, a pattern emerges when you look more closely: his articles about individual Redskins players seem to be balanced or even tend towards the positive, while his articles about the team mostly have a negative slant. The glaring exception to this pattern seems to be seems to be Jasno's coverage following the Lions game.

However, one thing tips everything towards the negative: the RI blog. In the blog, these tendencies are magnified. The team coverage and news is even more negative, and he says even nicer things about certain players. It's his blogging on the team that seems downright vitriolic at times, whether backed by "fact" or not.

It seemed like Jason Reid and JLaC were good cop-bad cop for a while there. Reid would provide the positive-spin stuff, and Jasno would focus on the negative...maybe because he's so good and thorough at it.

I love the Redskins, but I'm no blind homer. The issues facing this team have been well-documented. Rooting for them the past few years hasn't been easy.

At the same time, it's weird to read regular coverage on any team from someone who seems to despise everything about the organization and the way it is run -- and whose feelings often manifest themselves in writing. It's not quite at the Len Pasquarelli level, but it's often just as obvious.

Posted by: jcabana | November 2, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

In our most effective rushing effort of the season each had 17 runs. (Sorry RC)

SeanTizzy2DaHizzy tell me who had the most yards that game? Who was the starter? Point for jm220. 15-0 sir.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

(not even sure he [Betts] had a run of 30 yards last year)

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:20 AM


Didn't his game-losing fumble against the Lambs occur after a big run? Not that I hold that against him!!!

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Ooh Ooh blog tennis. I want to play.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Betts was referred to as a "slasher" earlier. I'm not clear on this. What is considered to be a slashing runner? I always thought a slasher was someone who had great vision and could hit holes.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

JM the Miami game was an ANOMALY. You don't have that o-line now and Portis has been nothing like as effective in any game since. Oh and we couldn't have stopped my granny running on us back then....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I thought a slasher carried a knife and would hit hoes.

But yours is probably more accurate.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Oh and we couldn't have stopped my granny running on us back then

LMGO! So true.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

You know that's just not right daggar.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Alright I submit, I submit. Help, Help I'm being repressed. Now you see the violence inherent in the blogosphere.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

RC - The key phrase in that statement is "You don't have that o-line now" but that's just my humble opinion.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

you're fooling yourself. supreme blogging power is derived by a mandate from the masses!

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

SeanTizzy2DaHizzy we are just sharing views here my friend. I respect your view but just don't agree with it.

Posted by: jm220 | November 2, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

A slashing RB to me always meant a North South runner who didn't really "juke anyone" just made minor cuts so they'd run like this:

/
\
/


down the field. Hurray back"slash" fore"slash"

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

so I don't know if Portis/Betts is a good switch or not. But -- how about putting Sean Taylor on offense? He has more catches, and fewer drops, than most of the WRs!

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"I respect your view but just don't agree with it."


We finally agree JM. I was kidding, that's a bastardization of a Monty Python quote.

I think the only thing we disagree on is that I'd like to give Betts a shot and see what happens. I'm not convinced it would work but would like to see it tried.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Just because some watery tart through a sword at you does not mean that you have an effective o-line.

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 2, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Nice illustration there. So I guess Portis runs like this.

/
)
\
\
(____
/

or like this with no line...

@

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Darn blog took away the spaces. Guess that didn't go as planned.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Nice bigfish.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced it would work but would like to see it tried.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 11:56 AM

As soon as someone who coaches them (i.e. gets paid to roll those dice) agrees with you...

look, you can't go around claiming supreme blogging power just because some watery bint lobbed a scimitar at you -- unless you're a slasher that can hit the hoes...

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm not as against giving Betts a try as I may come across. I just don't agree with the people saying that Portis has been ineffective because he looks like he's lost a step. The best RB's in the league would lose a step if they had to run behind our current O-line. I'm also for giving Sean Taylor a try or two on offense. Even if he doesn't get the ball he can knock someone's head off while blocking downfield.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

you know, having SeanTay do what Welker was doing last week would be, even if not terribly effective, a great thing to watch.

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Now the running has been more like this:


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Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Get those LBs looking out to the side instead of in at the QB, then get them looking through their earholes after the play...

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Bigfish. It's hard to judge our RBs with the O line being in disarray. Did you all notice that Tom Brady had ALL DAY to pass the ball on Sunday (and in his previous games)? The Pats have a great O line - no wonder Brady puts up all those numbers.

Gibbs loves Portis's blocking ability - which is one reason he wants him in the game.

Posted by: Lisa | November 2, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Problem with Sean is that he'd slow down, let them get the int and then drill the LB/safety.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

That would be awesome and would probably make up for the lack of strength on the right side but JG and Co. are too stubborn to learn from one of the best teams in the league.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope that all this talk about running the ball is smoke an mirrors. The Jets have been tough against the run while having a putrid rushing game of their own. btw Did anyone notice how effective the other teams runs were? When you have to play nickle and dime it opens up the running lanes.

Skins by 40!

[Not a prediction but my new mantra.}

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

On JlaC's outlook:

He's a Raven's fan who likes AFC ball. He grew up looking at DC as this juggernaut who overshadowed his hometown. You can't expect him to like this team. And you can't expect anyone in their right mind to like the Danny.

So given his personal outlook, I think he does a good job of reporting on a team who's news for the last what 15 years has been - Bad.

Hail JlaC for staying as unbiased as he can. Even though he advocates taking candy from babies... ;-p

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"Our matchups column starts in Washington, where Jason Campbell gets to play the worst pass defense in football, the Jets. When we say the Jets are the worst pass defense in football, it's not by a particularly small margin, either -- the difference between the Jets and the next team (Cleveland) is further than the distance between Cleveland at 31 and the Vikings at 25. This is a terrible pass defense, and while bringing in rookie LB David Harris will improve their awful rush defense, he can be expected to struggle in pass coverage. Either way, Campbell's a great start this week."

http://rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=179&articleid=29353

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Right on Bigfish,

Here's to smoke and mirrors.

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Jets D gives up 134 rushing yards yards per game and rank 27th in that category. I wouldn't really consider that too tough.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of "I'll show you running up the score,"

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

dik -- I dunno, George Michael seems to get along pretty well with Snyder...

Posted by: daggar | November 2, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish,

What about the yards per carry?

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Friday night, soccer early.

Skins by 40!

Keep the mantra alive!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"He's a Raven's fan who likes AFC ball. He grew up looking at DC as this juggernaut who overshadowed his hometown. You can't expect him to like this team. And you can't expect anyone in their right mind to like the Danny."

I don't like The Danny either. I don't like the way the Redskins are run, based on what little I truly know about such things.

But I expect the person tasked with covering a team to at least try to keep his allegiances from bleeding into his/her work. I don't particularly care what his personal outlook is - I just don't want it to taint his writing. That's it.

Posted by: jcabana | November 2, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The 'u gotta have faith' George Michael or the giant videotape sportsmachine George Michael?

Either way, aren't you kinda makin' my point! heheheheh

Skins by 40!

(you are talking about ounces, right?!)

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Greetings everyone

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what will happen in the Jets game. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Skins won by 20 or more. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had a hangover and lost.

It seems like a crapshoot to me.

Posted by: jcabana | November 2, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Even if it were possible there is no way Joe Gibbs would let his team beat the Jets by 40. He would kneel down on the ball at the 1 yd line on 4th down in the 3rd quarter if we were up by 40.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were asking for 'good news' stories about the skins?

That's not exactly un-biased.

Personally, I want someone with a little hometown slant. But if and when things go well for the skins, JlaC has been very supportive. So I'm cool with it.

Plus, if JlaC wasn't talkin' smak - what would we be commenting on here lol.

Hail jcabana

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Current typical Portis run play:
| "ow"_
\ |
\ |
\ |
| |
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R------- o line -------L

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

NOOOO! Must... keep... hope... alive.

Skins by 40!

Gibbs 1.0 had many victories by 40 ... okay not sure about that but didn't have the killer D but put the points on the board.

SKINS BY 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 2, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Dang loseable type, it took out all my spaces!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

LMGO - Redcoat, I remember that run against the Pats. He dodged like 6 people and could only get 3 yards 'cause he was swamped from the git go!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 2, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Portis is the back that he used to be and I have a theory as to why (beyond the obvious OL piece)...

Portis got a case of the fumble-itis so now he always carries the ball with both arms covering up. That's not natural. It restricts his movement and makes him incapable of being ellusive or breaking tackles. I'm with the crowd that wants to give Betts a chance. What can it hurt?

Posted by: Glass_Half_Full | November 2, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love Chrissy Collinsworth. He mentions every team with a winning record (some with losing records) but not the Redskins.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d803d1460&template=with-video&confirm=true&campaign=ec0005

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 2, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Some of Jasno's negativity is derived from comments made on this blog. One thing I'll give him credit for is that he's good at keeping up with the feelings or opinions of his faithful followers. Should credit Cindy for that as well. His feelings on Danny, Vinny, Receiver, The, etc. are shared by most of us.

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey bangkokben,
I hope you're right. The Skins, beaten up as they are, should be able to handle the Jets.

I may have some trouble watching the game though, cause I'll be in your neighborhood, well JA anyway.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 2, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: bigfish | November 2, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Here it is simplified: Current Portis run play:

..........|....."ow" ...........\......|..........\
............\.....|...........\
.............\....|............\
..............|...|.............\
...............->-...............\
----------- o line ------------- |
----------- d line ------------- |
................................ |
...................... OLB--->---

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

BEEP BEEP!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 2, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

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