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In switch to 3-4 defense, Redskins might look within for nose tackle

The deadline for teams to use franchise or transition tags on players is later this afternoon. Six teams have tagged players so far, and of that group, three players are nose tackles. Plus, Pittsburgh locked up its nose tackle, Casey Hampton, to a multi-year deal today.

As more teams shift to 3-4 defenses, the nose tackle position is as important as ever.

The Redskins are expected to make the change, too, which means they'll soon have to decide exactly how they want to fill that giant hole in the middle of the defensive line. Talking to others who are familiar with the 3-4, it'd seem the nose tackle position could be one of the biggest offseason decisions the new Redskins' coaching staff has to
make.

"A base 3-4, the nose is very, very important. It sets up the whole interior there," said San Francisco general manager Scot McCloughan.

It's a tough spot to fill because 3-4 defenses are a rarity at the college level. Plus, the nose tackle is as demanding as any position on the field.

"Power, play at the point, take on a double team and just do the dirty work all day," McCloughan said. "The thing I've realized the last couple of years, it's the instincts, the blocking instincts. What you're doing, you're not going to be dynamic. If you are, there are two or three in the league."

That means you have a decent number of defensive coordinators all coveting just one or two guys. There simply aren't enough quality nose tackles to go around.

"Everybody's looking for a certain type of guy, and we all are looking for that guy, those of us in the 3-4," said Buffalo coach Chan Gailey, "and there's not a lot of 'em to be perfectly honest. So you have to take people you have and adapt the way you play. You don't have to play the same type of 3-4, you can adjust to what people do best."

"So I think that while we're all looking for that prototypical nose guy, there's a lot of good football players out there that don't fit that prototype but at the same time are very good football players and can be productive players for you on the field," Gailey said. "So if
you can't get it, you adjust.

It's tough to draft a nose tackle, and because Hampton signed and three good tackles have been tagged (New England's Vince Wilfork, Green Bay's Ryan Pickett and San Francisco's Aubrayo Franklin) the free agency options aren't as plentiful as they seemed a couple of weeks ago. The Redskins might have to fill the spot from their existing roster.

By Rick Maese  |  February 25, 2010; 1:33 PM ET
 
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Comments

Time for BIG AL to prove his worth!

Posted by: slckposter | February 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

right now he's being projected as a 4th to 6th round pick because he had a ton of picks last year. That link I posted also broke down that 6 of his picks last season were receiver errors, wrong routes, tipped balls that hit them in the hands etc. and that several of the others were him just forcing the ball deep trying to make plays late. Also it talked about the fact that he had not been coached well about his eyes, that he was tipping where he was going on slants and such in his pre-snap actions...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jason Cambell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Except Snead has gotten worse as his collegiate career went on. He was hyped due to size and recruiting, going to Texas and transferring to Ole Miss. He was a prospect that never panned out. His best season, two seasons ago he completed 56%. This kids all hype nothin but.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder who it might be...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

WTF. I thought you were going to list those on the team tagged for that role LEE. I'll check back later on a new post with something real. Later.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 25, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Time for BIG AL to prove his worth!

Posted by: slckposter | February 25, 2010 1:47 PM

I'm thinking more on the the line that it's time for Anthony Montgomery to step up. He has to start ballin this year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

If you think Albert will be happy to "take on a double team and just do the dirty work all day", you're dreaming.

Posted by: Salinas1 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

O yeah and don't forget that the other teams in the division have more draft picks than we do or have a buttload of cash to spend or both. Yeah, we may get better but so will they.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"It also bugs me that many people have already written off any chance of the Redskins actually competing for the division in 2010 and beyond..."

Well, that assumption is based on two very hard truths:

a. the Washington Redskins have finished at the bottom of the NFC East two seasons in a row

b. the offense of the Washington Redskins is one of the least productive in the league

The rest of the NFC East features teams that score, have big, fast shutdown type defenses, versitile, speedy playmakers, and accurate quarterbacks in their prime.

So of course, until the skins feature some or all of these components, it's hard to say that the team will just suddenly dominant the rest of the division.

Optimistically, a person can see the team becoming very competitive in the latter half of the 2011 season.

But that depends on success out of whatever changes the new regime puts in place.

And until we know what those changes are, last place is the place where we are going to get put.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

zj,

You appear to be willing to blame others for the mistakes of the QBs that you like but Campbells mistakes are all on him.

Why is that?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Snead - one season with obviously inferior talent

Campbell - one season with obviously superior talent (Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams two top 5 backs on the same team) got him drafted and 5 seasons 3 of which he really never had an excuse except that he wasn't smart enough to learn the system quickly enough even though Flacco, Ryan, Pennington, and a long list of others are able to learn a systems in one training camp and win......

I don't know, why is that?

Maybe I just think at some point the excuses have to stop and you are what you've accomplished. IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Nose tackle and shifting to 3-4. Like the current QB situation ... another WANT rather than a NEED. How about some depth at LB with some guys who can play in a 4-3 or 3-4 without having to do the whole thing in one season? Its not like Skins are overloaded with talent at LB even in the current 4-3.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

this is where cutting leigh torrence comes back to haunt us....he's PERFECT for this role...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking more on the the line that it's time for Anthony Montgomery to step up. He has to start ballin this year.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse


If Monty can play at a high to moderate level at NT, then Big Al at D End has the potential to pay huge dividends for us. But well see.

If I was Big Al, I'd be mentoring Monty. Al's success in the 3-4 may be tied directly to the NT's play.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bean - never heard of Viola's - wheres that at?

John & Marys has good ones too..

Left Bank in West Buffalo is the best 'nice' restaurant ive eaten at out there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jason Cambell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually Campbell was a total afterthought until a senior year in which Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams carried Auburn to a undefeated season and we reached on him in round 1. Snead was projected as a 1st rounder and the #2 QB behind Bradford coming into this year and he dropped because of a bad season. Getting him in the 3rd or the 4th would be nothing like trading multiple picks away to reach for him in the 1st.....

Other than that though they're identical.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Just read Taylor Mays might have to make the switch to OLB for the NFL.

Hopefully this kind of talk stops people from comparing him to the late great ST21

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

From 1988-1990, the Redskins steadily improved with winning seasons including a playoff victory.
I'm sure the blog would have been feeling fine.
Just like I'm sure most of us would be fine if, over the past 3 seasons, the Redskins were steadily improving with winning seasons and a playoff victory.
Posted by: p1funk | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM

I’m gonna disagree with you there….in 1990 we had VERY high expectations, went 3-4 in Oct-Nov, and finished with a typical strong Gibbs December to make the playoffs. If you think this blog as a whole would have been sitting pretty, and thoroughly non critical of Rypien during the 3 win 4 loss stretch, then again non critical of Ryp after he “lost the game for us” against the 49ers in the playoffs, you are delusional. There’s a lot of folks up here who aren’t happy unless they are hating, and anyone who stresses another year of patience is “on his nutz” or what have you……Just wait and see what all of the Campbell “haters” do if and when his eventual replacement has a few bad games.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

In my estimation,(and I am no expert here) a nose tackle has to be big,fat and willing to pretty much do nothing other than take up space.

Move Montgomery to the nose(assuming we go to 3-4) and put Albert on the end. I would be really excited to see Albert in that role, I really think he could be unstoppable.

As a fan I would much rather see a FA offensive linemen or two come in. We are set along the defensive line.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The point is that we are freaking bored. Most of us are stuck at work with little to do but argue about stupid things. I imagine some are unemployed during this recession. Arguing on a blog allows you to use some analytical skills and is a much better option than simply rotting your brain in front of the TV.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 1:50 PM

I dunno, but there's something in your tone that makes this sound like a bad thing.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

A large part of TC's success was the lack of even old tape on the guy, a perennial backup. Once the tapes were out there, he was easy enough for anyone to defend... combined w/ our sukkage.

I'll grant that in the 'right system' Soup could be the right guy...mebbe. But even now, we're not that system. I don't think we're necessarily headed that way either.

I can still here the 'clicks' as he winds up to throw... lmao.

Big Al gets double teams all the time. I don't see why nose-tackle would be that much of a stretch.

Have we even gotten any circumstatial 3-4 evidence yet from our DCords??

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we could send them Carlos and our 4th for their 1st?

Go QB at 4, tackle, tackle.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:13 PM

QB @ #4? What if neither is worthy of #4, you still want to reach for a QB.

You're hatred for JC is as apparent as your posts are amateur. You want to overdraft a QB and then go tackle, tackle. That’s brilliant, way to bring some insight.

The question isn't whether JC is a long term answer, a franchise QB, or a HOF talent. He’s not, he will either traded or back next year. The question is whether the red flags of both Clausen and Bradford are worth the risk. Most teams would say no, just ask the Rams.

Move on, Campbell is average. Our OL is below average. You don't reach @ #4.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

good post, predict the future and what the Rams are going to do with I don't know, a crystal ball? Be a scout and declare that neither are worthy of the #4 pick 56 days before the draft and before either of them have had their pro day and then accuse me of being amateurish.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Just read Taylor Mays might have to make the switch to OLB for the NFL.

Hopefully this kind of talk stops people from comparing him to the late great ST21

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 2:04 PM

... and instead comparing him to Lamar Marshall who did the same thing.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

ryp, viola's is on Military Road in Niagara Falls....

what about Shimshacks Restaurant in Lockport....great ribs...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

and btw, we're all amateurs here, unless you're an NFL personnel person incognito?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If you think Albert will be happy to "take on a double team and just do the dirty work all day", you're dreaming.

Posted by: Salinas1 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM

Haynesworth would be interested in the position if it requires him to (1) gain weight and (2) take more plays off.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

If Redskins are truly looking within, I would be real curious to know where they're looking. Can't expect much more from our $100 Million man -- especially if he shows up again out of shape, easily winded, injury prone, and (dare we say it) "less than fully committed" to the scheme. So where do ya turn?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

O crap, the eagles have 2 second rounders, 2 third rounders, and 2 fifth rounders. Looks like we'll be in last place for another decade.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hear, not here... durrr.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 25, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"...don't forget that the other teams in the division have more draft picks than we do or have a buttload of cash to spend or both. Yeah, we may get better but so will they."

A casual observer of the other teams in the NFC East notices that each has lost, gained, and improved all within the stroke of a single season.

The pokes rid themselves of T.O. and came back better offensively. They manhandled the saints and will be much stronger next Fall.

The jints saw Plax go to jail and Ward leave to FA, and now have S Smith and a duet of good young receivers behind him.

The iggles have lost Dawkins, Runyon, Thomas, traded G Lewis, rebuilt their o-line, and now have D Jackson/Maclin/McCoy to replace B Westbrook.

All three teams have great quarterbacks and can score to win or play defense not to lose.

The skins?: well, we finally have a management structure in place that promises change.

The redskins have some nice pieces, but on the offense, none seem to match up all that well.

The first thing we should look for is if the new team can reshape the franchise on the fly and turn out a competitve team.

In the modern NFL, turnaround can happen quickly.

And for this skinsfan, the turnaround can't happen quick enough.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If Redskins are truly looking within, I would be real curious to know where they're looking. Can't expect much more from our $100 Million man -- especially if he shows up again out of shape, easily winded, injury prone, and (dare we say it) "less than fully committed" to the scheme. So where do ya turn?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

maybe a tandem of Big Al, backed up by Anthony Montegomery? Also if he's still around on obvious passing downs Daniels could slide inside to be the nose.

I think this have to have the prototypical nose tackle thing is overrated. Jay Ratliffe isn't a typical nose tackle and he made the pro bowl this year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ill have to check out that place next time I'm at the casino up there...I sure spent a lot of time there back in the days.

I lived in Lockport for a year...didn't stay up there too often...not the greatest place.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

And they started for Collins when Rogers dropped a pick, Suisham missed a FG and Cooley dropped a TD.

You think that receivers haven't dropped TD and Rogers hasn't dropped pick sixes and Suisham didn't miss field goals when Campbell was playing QB?

You should use the same criteria to judge him that you use for guys you like. Your arguement would be more convincing if you did.

I don't think JC is the long term answer and I wouldn't be opposed to trading him if a good offer came up. But I also think that the team could do a lot worse than him and he can win with a good team around him (Auburn).

This team has a lot of needs and dumping Campell is not going to make it an instant winner.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

starving right now.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

... and instead comparing him to Lamar Marshall who did the same thing.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

not sure if that's a great thing. Marshall was a starter for about 2 yrs in the NFL.

Mays is probably a worse tackler and worse in coverage than Marshall was.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If Redskins are truly looking within, I would be real curious to know where they're looking. Can't expect much more from our $100 Million man -- especially if he shows up again out of shape, easily winded, injury prone, and (dare we say it) "less than fully committed" to the scheme. So where do ya turn?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse


Look, Zorn was such a pu$$y and a pushover that he commanded no respect on the team.

More than one player has said this, not verbatim, but if you read between the lines it is there. His boy JC even said the locker room was out of control.

Now Shanny and Allen come in, and I believe these guys are going to command respect. Coming in fat and out of shape is not an option. Practice for CP26(if he's here) is not optional.

I'm ready for some serious change. I also hope he moves training camp away from Redskins Park.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah all the talk is making me hungry.

I'm headed to Beantown 4/7 for a conference. Conference at Liberty Hotel, staying at Omni Parker House. Best eats around there?

Last night of Yanks in town, coincidentally...

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Ill have to check out that place next time I'm at the casino up there...I sure spent a lot of time there back in the days.

I lived in Lockport for a year...didn't stay up there too often...not the greatest place.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 25, 2010 2:13 PM
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I was in Lockport years ago.. Friend took me to what looked like someones home.. And it was actually a steak restaurant. Best steak of my life..cant remember the name of the place.. Made Chris Ruth steaks look like burgers.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:07 PM

Keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again. JC is average, move on.

We all predict, discuss, & "scout" the future, it's the offseason. The only difference is that you have consistently proven that you are clueless

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

ryp, any place in the North End, is can't miss, you'll be a short cab ride away from it, La Famiglia Giorgio, amazing food, big portions, and reasonable prices....

snagm, you're a north shore guy right?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

starving right now ...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:16 PM

Buffalo wings, ham sandwich, or short ribs?

Right now, I have an unexplainable hankering for pecans. Is there anything wrong with that?

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

If I was Big Al, I'd be mentoring Monty. Al's success in the 3-4 may be tied directly to the NT's play.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 25, 2010 2:00 PM

The key to a successful 3-4 is a dominant space eating NT. This is why the top 4 FA NTs (Wilfork, Hampton, Pickett, & Franklin) were either franchised or resigned.

They should look at UFA Justin Bannon to platoon with Monty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

starving right now.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:16 PM
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best italian sub in New England.. Virgilio's in Gloucester, Mass.. Order the St Joe with da werks....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Made Chris Ruth steaks look like burgers."


It's Ruth Chris, not Chris Ruth.

And in any event, the food is overrated.

The best steak is prepared on a charcoal grill smothered in carmelized peppers and onions.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

One thing I do like about this offense is that our recievers(other than Moss)are pretty large. I would like to see them really fighting DB's for the ball and wering them out like that.

Kelly,Thomas,Mitchell and Davis are all large in comparison to the rest of the recievers in the East.

You simply have to find a way to win with what you've got.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Our prior DC would put Orakpo at nose :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Right now, I have an unexplainable hankering for pecans. Is there anything wrong with that?


Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:25 PM

In writing, no. But in speaking it depends on whether you put the accent on the first or the second syllable. "You want what? Son, a PEEcan is exactly that: a can that you pee in."

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Right now, I have an unexplainable hankering for pecans. Is there anything wrong with that?


Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:25 PM
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Probably Jason Campbell's fault.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Right now, I have an unexplainable hankering for pecans. Is there anything wrong with that?"


Bro', come down South and get some hot boiled peanuts.

Pecans ain't what's happening.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

now we're talking moe, something we can all agree on....

gonna make a huge crock pot of spaghetti sauce sausage and meatballs on saturday....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

So if Monty is the NT, big Al is the RDE, Jarmon is the LOLB, then who is the LDE?

Phil Daniels?
Golston?
Griff?
Antoine Holmes?
Oprah?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

mayock said that Oprah was a heavy legged knee bender, so she might work...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Bro', come down South and get some hot boiled peanuts.

Pecans ain't what's happening.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Boiled peanuts are addicting. The best are the ones sold on the side of the road in SC and GA

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17, Jarmon is there as the eventual replacement for Phil Daniels.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Before I was completely opposed to taking a QB with the No.4 pick and our OL in the state that it is, but the more I read and think about it, we SHOULD draft Jimmy Clausen. So what his attitude has been reported as poor; so was Phillip Rivers. Take a look at the long line of QBs we have had recently and you tell me what you'd rather have - great character and we go 4-12? or competitive edge, sometimes a d--- but we are consistently in the playoffs @ 11-5 or better?

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

mayock said that Oprah was a heavy legged knee bender, so she might work...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM

Screw Mayock. What did Tony Kornheiser say?

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Boiled peanuts are addicting. The best are the ones sold on the side of the road in SC and GA"

They sell them in the Wal-Mart down here.

I microwave them, and them slab hot sauce on a bowl of them.

Talk about addictive, spicy, salty, hot, and satisfying.....yum-yum-yum.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Talk about addictive, spicy, salty, hot, and satisfying.....yum-yum-yum.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:38 PM

Addiction? I think there's a patch you can buy to help you get off your nuts.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Before I was completely opposed to taking a QB with the No.4 pick"

This is totally gonna happen.

And if it does, I like Bradford over Claussen.

Think of the headlines: "Redskins pick a redskin."

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Screw Mayock. What did Tony Kornheiser say?

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM

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poor Kornheiser.. happens alot when newspaper guys get on tv.. They forget there is no editor to catch them.
In the long run, though, its probably the best thing to happen for his waffling ratings.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:07 PM

Keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again. JC is average, move on.

We all predict, discuss, & "scout" the future, it's the offseason. The only difference is that you have consistently proven that you are clueless

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

When was that? Two years ago when I said it was stupid to have 10 draft picks and only use 2 picks (a 3rd and a 7th rounder) on the lines? Last year when I said ignoring Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith (both who became contributors in the rookie seasons on good offensive lines) for a bunch of mid round picks was stupid. Or when I said cutting Jeremy Bridges (who became a starter at LT for a playoff team) to keep BMW was stupid? Or last year when I bet Bean that Ahmad Bradshaw would outperform Ladell Betts and said that our backfield (this was before last started btw) was a position of weakness with a slowing Portis, an injury/fumble prone Betts, and an overrated Rock and every argued no no we're strong at running back, now we're all saying we need new backs.

And the next time somebody drops a potentially game winning catch that would put his team up 21-13 with 11 minutes to play in the 4th in a road playoff for JC who hung in tough and made plays despite pressure on him all game after he played better than any other QB in the conference for a month and got the team in the playoffs to begin with I'll make excuses for JC then too. Does anybody expect that day to come?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Rams tender RFA Atogwe at the highest level (requiring first and third round compensation).

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

sometimes a d--- but we are consistently in the playoffs @ 11-5 or better?

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I vote for the complete d-ck, and the 11-5 record

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Kornheiser said oprah looked like an overstuffed sausage....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17, Jarmon is there as the eventual replacement for Phil Daniels.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I heard talk that they may have him drop weight and take over at LOLB if we run the 3-4. Honestly, I think he could do either but as some others have said they need to make up their minds right now. He's probably at around 280. He either needs to get down to 265-270 or up to 290 and he should be starting that now.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Carter and Wilson would have to be LOLB opposite Orakpo unless they sign someone like Dansby. I don't think Jarmon will have the range or speed to play in space. Jarmon actually seems like a wasted pick at this point if they aren't running some kind of hybrid.

McIntosh and Fletcher in the middle. Not sure if McIntosh would hold up there. This seems like it would be the biggest need in the front seven along with NT.

With Haynesworth and Golston/Griffin/Jarmon as the Ends, and Mongomery as the NT. Although I'm sure Haynesworth would have to see time in the middle as well.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

We had gone 1 minute without JC bashing.... soooo a favorite of ours..

From CecIVC
For all you stat-maniacs who love to tout JC's 'improvement' over the years, why not look at the major statistic: his ability to win.
Over the course of his career while behind by one TD or less, JC has racked up 14 TDs and 12 INTs. Last year, in the same situation, 7 TDs to 7 INTs.
Over the course of his career with the game difference being one TD or less (where he needs to lead a comeback or put the nail in the coffin), JC has racked up 30 TDs and 22 INTs. Last year, 12 TDs, 12 INTs.
Finally, and here's the kicker, when behind in the 4th quarter by less than 7 or tied in OT, career 10 TDs and 11 INTs. Last year, 0 TDs & 3 INTs.
These are not even including final 'drives' that end in 4 & outs (a la SD week 17) he's barely above .500 in his ability to not lose the game.
You can't blame JC for the losses? Oh really?
Now let's compare to his competition from the NFC East:

Tony Romo:
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 21 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 4 TD-1 INT

Donovan McNabb
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 4 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-6 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 0 TD-1 INT

Eli Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-3 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 3 TD-1 INT

As clearly shown here, JC is significantly behind the curve when it comes to NFC East QBs.

And just for kicks, here's the Superbowl QBs stats:

Drew Brees
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 11 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 25 TD-5 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 5 TD-0 INT

Peyton Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 9 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 23 TD-9 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 6 TD-1 INT

Bottom line, when it matters, JC fails.

Posted by: CecIVC | February 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cliftonbiz | February 25, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is not a Nose. He would be an exceptional DE in the 3-4. Montgomery/Golston are the best bets at Nose (currently on the roster). And I bet Griffin could do it if the others don't work out, but he certainly is not the prototype either.

If the Skins don't go get a Nose, they are going to end up with an atypical 3-4. Probably one that resembles a 4-3, just with one of the OLBs standing up on the end of the line.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | February 25, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

monty seems too tall for NT, hampton is 6'1, not sure about Wilfork, but 6'6, you can get under his pads....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

When was that? Two years ago when I said it was stupid to have 10 draft picks and only use 2 picks (a 3rd and a 7th rounder) on the lines? Last year when I said ignoring Duke Robinson and Jamon Meredith (both who became contributors in the rookie seasons on good offensive lines) for a bunch of mid round picks was stupid. Or when I said cutting Jeremy Bridges (who became a starter at LT for a playoff team) to keep BMW was stupid? Or last year when I bet Bean that Ahmad Bradshaw would outperform Ladell Betts and said that our backfield (this was before last started btw) was a position of weakness with a slowing Portis, an injury/fumble prone Betts, and an overrated Rock and every argued no no we're strong at running back, now we're all saying we need new backs.

And the next time somebody drops a potentially game winning catch that would put his team up 21-13 with 11 minutes to play in the 4th in a road playoff for JC who hung in tough and made plays despite pressure on him all game after he played better than any other QB in the conference for a month and got the team in the playoffs to begin with I'll make excuses for JC then too. Does anybody expect that day to come?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse


You forgot to mention that you invented the internet.

Did you see the beating that Campbell took this year? Did you see how poorly Collins played when he got a chance?

Very few QB's could have done better in this offense last year. There are way bigger problems than JC.

That is all.

Feel free to have the last word and think you won the argument.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure I like the idea of Sam Bradford. Anytime they have to describe him as "if he's healthy" when it comes to the QB, it's a big red flag. Minus Drew Brees, I can't think of any other QB having shoudler surgery on his throwing arm then producing afterwards. ESPECIALLY when he hasn't even played a snap in the NFL to begin with. Stick with Clausen, the kid's tough....and a D---.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I seem to remember London Fletcher saying that the Redskins ran a similar defense to Dallas' 3-4 this year. The only difference was that Carter played with his hand down, rather than standing like Ware.

The 3-4 Defense is much like the West Coast offense. It's kind of a blanket term now. There are many different variations and philosophies nowadays and it is adjusted to suit the players you have, like Chan Gailey was saying in the post.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Funny article. If the nose tackle is so key to the 3-4 and nose tackles are made from unobtainium*, why do so many teams use a 3-4?

*unobtainium is the most useful stuff in the world

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure I like the idea of Sam Bradford. Anytime they have to describe him as "if he's healthy" when it comes to the QB, it's a big red flag. Minus Drew Brees, I can't think of any other QB having shoudler surgery on his throwing arm then producing afterwards. ESPECIALLY when he hasn't even played a snap in the NFL to begin with. Stick with Clausen, the kid's tough....and a D---.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:00 PM
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I'm with you on Bradford, but I'd also take a pass on Clausen. He can't win the big games. He's short (according to the inside information, not the Notre Dame website), and I don't think he's much a leader. I like Pike. I think he could be a good QB in the NFL with a little time to develop. None of these guys, however, are worthy of the number four pick. I'm firmly planted in the Okung camp.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep Campbell. Another 4-12 or 5-11 season is just what we need to gain the experience that will help put us over the top in 2011!

I love it when a plan comes together.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I was the one who invented the internet.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

monty seems too tall for NT, hampton is 6'1, not sure about Wilfork, but 6'6, you can get under his pads....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:53 PM

Gloston could possibly do it. He'll need to add 20-25 to be the prototypical NT, but he could possibly get some spot time at NT is he added 10-15 pounds this offseason. IMO Griff is probably the team's best fit for NT, but his body wouldn't last through the season.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, I was the one who invented the internet.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:07 PM

Hey, etrod's accomplished too. You know when your internet's not working? etrod. You know when you get spam? etrod. You know when you open an e/m and it's full of porn? That's actually not etrod.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

*unobtainium is the most useful stuff in the world

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 25, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse


Take that, Russia!

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be disappointed if we took Okung, not at all, but I do like the intangibles of Clausen. Nobody doubts his football ability or his passion about the game. It's just that "passion" when referring to our QBs isn't something Redskins' fans are used to hearing. As far as winning the "big games" goes, how can you choose Pike or Clausen after his last performance? If you blame the HC's departure then we could just say the same thing about Campbell and the carousel he has endured. Let's branch out and roll the dice.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

and before someone jumps on it, I meant Pike OVER Clausen. Not Pike or Clausen. Fill in the blanks people.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line, when it matters, JC fails."

And even when it doesn't matter, he STILL fails...

like spots on a leopard, can't change...

always has, always will.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Huh... I don't think I've ever heard of hot boiled peanuts. A Southern delicacy. I am intrigued.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/BoiledPeanutsHistory.htm

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

monty seems too tall for NT, hampton is 6'1, not sure about Wilfork, but 6'6, you can get under his pads....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 2:53 PM

Jay Ratliff is 6'4"

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see us take Okung, but if something happens where at least 2 offensive line spots are filled by FA, then okay take a QB at 4.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Somebody mentioned Myron Rolle.

Scouts question his dedication to football and his intelligence is actually being held against him. He's talked about wanting to be a doctor after football and he is being downgraded on draft boards.

I like him, but he took a year off and will be a SS in the NFL. Not exactly a position of need.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

As it happens, I am currently working my way through a jar of redskin peanuts, which is, you know, doubly relevant.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins might have to fill the spot from their
existing roster.


By Rick Maese | February 25, 2010; 1:33 PM ET


Paging Anthony Montgomery...

Paging Anthony Montgomery...

Are you ready for your clos up??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Very few QB's could have done better in this offense last year. There are way bigger problems than JC.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree...

I don't think about what other QBs would have been able to do last year under the same circumstances though, as much as I think about what would Campbell be like if all the other pieces were in place.

The only instance of the Redskins having a healthy line and a healthy running game... he was mentioned by few as an MVP candidate and the team went 6-2. Line gets injured, running game goes away and it's a completely different story.

The Skins can win with Campbell, they just can't win with him when other components of the offense are broken.

Whatever they decide to do at QB, they need stability around him. All this switching of systems doesn't lend itself to progress. It only dooms a young QB to failure.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Huh... I don't think I've ever heard of hot boiled peanuts. A Southern delicacy. I am intrigued.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/BoiledPeanutsHistory.htm

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm from NC and they are kind of few and far between here. You see them alot in SC,GA and farther south. But take my word for it, boiled peanuts are the best.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"We had gone 1 minute without JC bashing.... soooo a favorite of ours..
From CecIVC
For all you stat-maniacs who love to tout JC's 'improvement' over the years, why not look at the major statistic: his ability to win."

You know, the same is wrong with that argument every time you post it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

like spots on a leopard, can't change...

always has, always will.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 3:16 PM |
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Another day of Campbell h8in' here on the old Skins bored.

*yawn*
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 25, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I got it. Bigfoot at left tackle and Opera at LDE unless she only put up 225 once at the combine. Now, if the tooth fairy can stick it out this year at FS we may have a shot at the division.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

... but I'd also take a pass on Clausen. ... He's short (according to the inside information, not the Notre Dame website), ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 3:06 PM

On Clausen and QB shortness:

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog100225.php


Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Best game party snack:

put ROLLO's on a thin pan, heat until soft, not melting.

Place 1/2 of a pecan on top, push down slightly.

Cool and serve.

Peanuts are just peanuts, pecans are the best.

A true southern recipe for game snacks or just to have fun licking them off the chest of your partner.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 25, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

They could get Tilikum, the killer whale from Sea World in Florida to play NT.

At 12,000 pounds, YOU tell me who's running up the middle?

Nobody.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I just think at some point the excuses have to stop and you are what you've accomplished. IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse
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Collins had been in that same system for like ten years. It therefore was not a suprise that he was comfortable in the system when he got the chance to play. When Saunders left and Collins and Campbell both had to learn a new system under Zorn, Collins looked very ordinary.

Posted by: sonny2 | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan

Are you from PAkistan?

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I got it. Bigfoot at left tackle and Opera at LDE unless she only put up 225 once at the combine. Now, if the tooth fairy can stick it out this year at FS we may have a shot at the division.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Avon Barksdale is the starting FS

Tooth Fairy is a nickel corner.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

red, that made me spit water out my mouth...now we're talking...only problem is how many teammates he's gonna end up eating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Lochness monster "going deep"

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

... but I'd also take a pass on Clausen. ... He's short (according to the inside information, not the Notre Dame website), ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 3:06 PM

On Clausen and QB shortness:

http://www.walterfootball.com/mattblog100225.php


Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 3:46 PM
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good article.. except the point where he said "Brees and Flutie have been successful".. Ummm when was Flutie
considered successful in the NFL? Serviceable back up, yes..but, in the same sentence as Brees??

I think the issue with short guys is the need for a clear passing lane everytime.. If their OLine cannot create one (usually more often than not) they have to roll out.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

He'll eat Jacob Burney, the d-line coach when he's pissed.

In negotiations they can pay him in chum. Tons of it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Are you from PAkistan?

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Nope, I'm actually from the great state of Pennyslvania but if you talk to some of the locals they'd probably be willing to give Pakistan a try if they could buy beer on Sundays.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG."

Posted by: zjfr2

Actually, he went 3-1 as a starter and played in 5 consecutive games. And Rogers didn't drop a pick 6. Rogers didn't even play -- he had a torn ACL during that run. And despite the shortcomings of other players that you attribute to the loss, that was a game where Landry picked off Hasselbeck twice in Seahawks' territory AND we recovered an onside kick at about the 'Hawks' 30. The defense and special teams couldn't have set the game on a platter any better than they did for that game.

But I do find it interesting how you magically doubled Collins' win totals, combined the optimal "should have" scenarios from 2 separate playoff games into one, and attribute the disparity of the results solely to Todd Collins.

I think you and League-Source should have a battle of hypotheticals. Collins is 6-0 (still don't know where the final win comes from) in a world where everything falls his way, Jason Campbell is 10-6 with the exact same team trotted out last year (personnel issues included), except if Shanahan replaced Zorn a year ago. I'm interested to see which side wins the heart and soul of RI.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The Skins can win with Campbell, they just can't win with him when other components of the offense are broken.

Whatever they decide to do at QB, they need stability around him. All this switching of systems doesn't lend itself to progress. It only dooms a young QB to failure.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse


Well said, sir.

Campbell is neither the cause of nor the solution to the Redskins' problems.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I just think at some point the excuses have to stop and you are what you've accomplished. IMO those excuses stopped when TC went on his streak and got us in the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse
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Collins had been in that same system for like ten years. It therefore was not a suprise that he was comfortable in the system when he got the chance to play. When Saunders left and Collins and Campbell both had to learn a new system under Zorn, Collins looked very ordinary.

Posted by: sonny2 | February 25, 2010 3:51 PM
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ordinary? Like when he briefly came in the Giants game for 4 plays, towards the end of the Half, and exceeded JC's complete yardage output up until then. What was it? 2 for 4, 57 yards...47 to Moss.. and the last pass was an easy TD that hit Sleepy Davis in the hands and he dropped it.
Everyone watching that game saw a completely different team when TC took over for those few plays.. The read and release speed was far faster than JC and it showed. The DBs had no time to close a gap..
And how many of us were pissed when the Second half started and JC was back at QB. I am sure his teammates probably were... OLine had to go back to holding their blocks longer. Even the commentators were surprised he came back for the second half.. Collinsworth for one, who rightly criticized JC all night.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Should be there in the 2nd round as a T/G prospect. He' been moving up steadily.


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Indiana OT Rodger Saffold impressive...
NFL scouts consistently tell me that the single most underrated component of the Combine is the "feel" teams get for players through the informal and formal interviews.

Like many coaches (who have worked their up through high school, college to the NFL level), my background lies in education. This has often come up when discussing with scouts how to quickly "size up" players' personality.

No player invited to the Combine lacks the ability to play football. The tough part of scouting is not in differentiating the players who can play, but the ones who will continue the work necessary to improve their play once they are given an NFL paycheck.

In that case, after being less than wowed with some of the higher-rated tackles of this draft that have come through the media room, thus far, I was very impressed with Indiana's Rodger Saffold. The former Indiana player has the uniquely sculpted, yet stout build scouts look for in a left tackle. He was also very thoughtful, articulate and passionate with his answers.

I fully realize how little the ability to impress in workouts means on the football field. Considering that Saffold has already struck me as a woefully underrated prospect due to his size, strength and agility, I (and more importantly, scouts) don't have many reservations about his game.

Soon, they won't have reservations about his intelligence and dedication either.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

they'd probably be willing to give Pakistan a try if they could buy beer on Sundays.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Out of luck with that. Pakistan is a Muslim country. You can't buy beer Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or any of the others. Also can't get good pork bbq or, like the Pennsylvanians (and Red) crave -- scrapple.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If the 'skins switch to a 3-4, here's the personnel they'll have:

DE: Paul Bunyan
NT: Babe (The Blue Ox)
DE: John Henry

OLB: The Jersey Devil
ILB: Yeti
ILB: Pecos Bill
OLB: Sasquatch

CB: The Easter Bunny
FS: Johnny Appleseed
SS: Cactus Cat
CB: The Pied Piper

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG."

Posted by: zjfr2

Actually, he went 3-1 as a starter and played in 5 consecutive games.

But I do find it interesting how you magically doubled Collins' win totals, combined the optimal "should have" scenarios from 2 separate playoff games into one, and attribute the disparity of the results solely to Todd Collins.


Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2010 4:06 PM
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in 2007 Skins were in a 0-4 losing streak.. Collins stepped in when Jason was injured in the Chicago game and won the game.. The game Gibbs called the greatest QB performance he had seen off the bench.
Then Collins won at NY (eventual SB winner) and at Minn and beat DAllas at home. All three were playoff teams that had to win.. Collins even threw for twice the yardage as Eli in a driving rainstorm. So, he was 4-0 until the Seattle game where the Skins OLine was decimated by injuries and Seattle lived in the backfield.. 4 sacks..et al.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I've never played Qb at any level, but I think the most important thing is being able to get the ball out quickly.

When I watch Peyton Manning play the ball is snapped, and literally 1.5-2 seconds later the ball is gone, usually for like an 18yd pass.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

scrapple.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

what is this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice, Red, but I think Orakpo should be more than a backup. Presently we have Santa Claus playing FS, Foghorn Leghorn and Elmer Fudd at the corners and Wile Coyote's the SS.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If the 'skins switch to a 3-4, here's the personnel they'll have:

DE: Paul Bunyan
NT: Babe (The Blue Ox)
DE: John Henry

OLB: The Jersey Devil
ILB: Yeti
ILB: Pecos Bill
OLB: Sasquatch

CB: The Easter Bunny
FS: Johnny Appleseed
SS: Cactus Cat
CB: The Pied Piper


Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse


They could bring in the Jackalope and Chupacabra in obvious passing situations.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

scrapple.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

what is this?

Posted by: iH8dallas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plate_of_scrapple.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scrapple_1.jpg


Get some.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins career
Passing yards 4,479
22 TDs 19 INTS
QB Rating 76.0

2009 Season
12 for 23 for 144 yards

15 years as a career backup. Maybe the best job in pro sports, but it’s over in Washington and so should be discussing him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

scrapple.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

what is this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 4:25 PM
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ok, alex, what is a west virginia board game?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

you all are the fools snyder loves as fans.

1st, the existing Skiins lineup cannot support the 3-4. the Skins just invested $40M (haynesworth) in the 4-3. The move to the 3-4 would be stupid beyond measure. fletcher is not a 3-4 guy. Carter can't play DE or LB in a 3-4. and if you all did not notice, the Skins have 0 depth at LB. so where are these LBs coming from? oh yeah, sign free agents and the draft. yeah right, more of the same stupidity.

2nd, of course all the blame of the Redskins sorry season falls on jason Campbell. yes, one guy is to blame. never mind the league leading sacks, incompetent head coach, and patchwork offensive line. So i say please trade him. Draft Clausen and watch the catastrophe of the Snyder 'Skins continue.

It's called EPIC stupidity!!! Frankly, I am coming to the realization my fellow Redskin fans are some of the dumbest fans in the league.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

thanks Diesel44!!!

Posted by: oknow1 | February 25, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

scrapple. what is this?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 4:25 PM


"a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and flour"

I used to eat it for breakfast five days a week when I lived in Philadelphia, with three fried eggs and home fries. Now, I have two stents in my arteries. But it was worth it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Cujo to play special teams.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and flour"
I used to eat it for breakfast five days a week when I lived in Philadelphia, with three fried eggs and home fries. Now, I have two stents in my arteries. But it was worth it.
Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:31 PM


Dude, it’s 4:30……shouldn’t you be at Ho Jo’s for the earlybird special right now?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I went to Pittsburgh and had that burger thing with french fries on it.

But nothing beats eastern NC bbq.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 25, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

used to eat it for breakfast five days a week when I lived in Philadelphia, with three fried eggs and home fries. Now, I have two stents in my arteries. But it was worth it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:31 PM

And you wonder why you have problems finding a family practice doctor or cardiologist willing to accept your Medicare. Oh and that donut hole you fall into 2 months into every year has nothing to do with the Dunkin Donuts you ride your Rascal to every morning from Seizure World.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

2 words: Luther Burger

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Dude, it’s 4:30……shouldn’t you be at Ho Jo’s for the earlybird special right now?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 4:35 PM

L-S tossed it up like a softball, good one tho.

Also, why does MistaMoe disappear every day around 4:20?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought senior citizens liked Segways.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Dude, it’s 4:30……shouldn’t you be at Ho Jo’s for the earlybird special right now?


Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 4:35 PM

I just got back. I passed Diesel44 as he was going in.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

used to eat it for breakfast five days a week when I lived in Philadelphia, with three fried eggs and home fries. Now, I have two stents in my arteries. But it was worth it.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:31 PM

And you wonder why you have problems finding a family practice doctor or cardiologist willing to accept your Medicare.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 4:39 PM

Doctor said I should have ordered two eggs, not three.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan has already made a decision on Campbell.. if the rumors of a trade are true. Shanny and his son have had a couple of months to watch tape on Jason and it doesnt look like he is in their plans (again if the buffalo chatter is accurate).
Shanny has said he wants passion and accuracy in a QB.. And the film will show, when the game is on the line, Jason does the opposite.. No come from behind wins.. No leadership. And zero accuracy except for that last pass of 4 straight incompletes in San Diego, the Hail Mary.. I think he accurately threw that far out of bounds..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought senior citizens liked Segways.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 4:43 PM

Nah, they're not covered by Medicare, plus you gotta stand up. Diesel44 got his scooter from The Scooter Store -- prequalified him, shipped it, and billed Medicare later. Segways are for fat mall cops.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I just got back. I passed Diesel44 as he was going in.

Posted by: League-Source | February 25, 2010 4:43 PM

I gave your waiter 10 bucks to borrow your bran muffin for a few minutes...Enjoy!

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze1

Fans are like weathermen, when they make a bad evaluation they just move on to the next forecast as if they were never wrong. Notice how wizards fans who were EJ haters dont care to admit that the problems with that team were not Eddie Jordon. But when he was here all the wizards needed to do was get rid of him and they would be a better team. Same thing with JC, when he is gone and the other guy struggles they will be calling for his head with the same certainty as they have now about JC. Remember how many of them thought Brennan was the answer because he had two good quarters in preseason, then they quickly moved on to someone else when he stunk up a preseason game the next year and injured himself. I know the fans are a big part of sports but its a good thing people dont listen to everything they say.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Mt. Cody from 'Bama plays nose in a pro-style 3-4 defense and would be the perfect pick for us here. His big limitation is he gets winded, which is no prob cause you can rotate him with Haynesworth.

Except we haven't drafted any decent offensive linemen in a decade and picked Jarmon last year (though he is a good player). Oh, and we could use another QB either this year or next.

Posted by: lordtwang | February 25, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2

I always say this but here it goes again, there is a reason you are a blogger and not a NFL personnel guy. Just because your opinions sound good to you does not make you any more correct in them than the rest of us are. Sorry, if all it took was a Journeyman QB who cant even beat out Campbell head up much less any other QB he has competed for a starting job having a 5 game winning streak with a pro bowl running back behind him and and hasn't won a thing since to impress you then your opinion is mute regarding Campbell. You dont know what you are talking about. Here is what I think, most white people who are skins fans think if we are going to have the black guy start over the white guy then he had better be twice as good or we would rather have the white guy. Kind of a reflection on our society as a whole. If a black guy gets the nod he better be head and shoulders above the next white guy competing for the same position. He cant be average. Example, do you think if Jason Campbell never gets any better he will last 15 years in the NFL as a career backup? Todd Collins has.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

good point ged0386! another example is Philly is still intent to run McNabb out of town.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 25, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing oknow1, I never said Campbell was the problem. He isn't a problem. He is a good QB who will probably succeed, just not in Washington. Face it, new HC, new GM, new Regime. Everyone knows he wants a new young QB to groom. So it isn't looking at JC as a problem, just looking at what are they going to do with the new regime. It's going to be a new QB and a lot of new players. so with that train of thought....Jimmy Clausen is the starting piece. Young, Cocky, talented...he can be coached up on the rest. Its like McNabb in Philly - good QB, just not the answer for them. Here's a question to ask though, I cant stop thinking, what does everyone think about Kyle Shanahan being groomed as our next HC after Papa Shanahan?

Posted by: A_o_C57 | February 25, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

For Jason Campbell to be the best quarterback he can be the Skins have to establish a running game. Shanahan already knows that and to have any kind of offense you have to have a line first. Remember, JC was Joe Gibbs guy, and Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 non-Hall of Fame QB's. Theismann, Doug Williams, and Rypien had classic o-lines and strong running to propel the offense, they were at their best in that situation. JC won't make it if he's the primary focus of any offense. Stay or go with Jason, Shanahan understands this much at least. The question is Portis. Does he have enough left? Because we're going to live or die with the run.

Posted by: curtb | February 25, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

This seems really smart since our D has been the problem the last few years and since we don't have that many holes to fill on our roster. Good job guys.

Posted by: Gweez | February 25, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Never really liked Papa Shanahan, much less his son.

Papa Shanahan has some proving to be done hear. Shanahan to me is like the Wizards bringing in Flip Saunders, a proven commodity that hasn't worked out so far. Past accomplishments dosen't put any double' yous' in the win column.

And so far as Campbell is concerned, if his position is really open to the best guy, he will be the QB here for some years to come.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | February 25, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Skins better get busy acquiring some linebackers if they are serious about fielding a 3-4 defense. IMO they barely have enough linebackers to play 4-3 right now.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 25, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

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