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In The Interest of Accuracy (My Last Blog About Ryan Clark and Dan Snyder)

You just never know how your day is going to turn out on this beat. Trying to make phone calls from home, work on a big story for Sunday's paper and spend some time with my daughter on Tuesday - with the players off and Howard holding down the fort at Redskins Park - but it just wasn't meant to be. Seems like Dan Snyder and some of his people were awful upset about an item I wrote on Ryan Clark's contract negotiations, so I'll walk you through the last 24 hours in my life - since my cell phone started buzzing while taking Chloe to hang out with Santa Claus for a little while at the mall.

So the Redskins read the blog and freak out, as I am told, because it gives the impression that Dan Snyder was involved in contract negotiations. To refresh: The blog item stated that Clark had made it known he wanted a deal in the range of what the Skins gave former safety Matt Bowen, with a $1.5 million signing bonus. And that in the course of Snyder's conversations with Clark's representative the owner said he was not going to overspend like that anymore, that the Redskins offer of a $750,000 signing bonus was their final offer and that Clark was not going to get that $1.5 million bonus he was seeking anywhere.

People in the font office read the blog and are upset, because they do not want it to come across like Dan is involved in this process. They believe this item makes it look like Dan, and only, Dan is negotiating with Clark, which in fact is not the case, as we have written over the years that Eric Schaffer, their salary cap expert, handled the nitty-gritty of hammering out contracts.

Schaffer, who has always seemed like a very good guy from my experiences but like many in this organization is probably forced to do things he probably would not normally consider on his own (it happens to me too, probably true in any job), calls Clark's agent, Joel Turner. Turner has no idea what the team is upset about and tells the Redskins he had nothing to do with the blog item and no idea it was out there.

The team assumes Turner is a source of this information, and, as they are want to do with agents, tells them that Snyder's name should be kept out of print and that speaking about contract talks does not bode well for future negotiations with Washington (If I had a $10-spot for every time an agent has repeated this to me over the last three years I would no longer have to fund Chloe's 529 college account). Joel is taken aback, and gives me a call to ask what's going on. I tell him it's funny, I had not heard anything from the Redskins. I read everything I wrote in the blog to him and ask if it is accurate. He says it is.

I decide to call Eric at his office, and tell him that I can be reached at any time on my cell about anything I write. I am always at Redskins Park and take a stand-up approach and am willing to hear him out on anything. I still have not heard back. In the meantime, Schaffer - again, I highly doubt of his own free will - calls Turner back to ask if he had straightened things up with me.

Turner lives in the Mytle Beach area, where a huge storm is brewing, he is trying to eat lunch and has other things going on. So now he calls me again and tells me that the Redskins are still upset about whatever I wrote, and, in the interests of accuracy, he gives me an on-the-record account of what happened in the Clark negotiations. We both decide that this whole thing is bizarre, and Joel is adamant about how much Ryan likes Snyder, how much he loved the organization and how this all seems trite.

We decide that I'll keep my notes on our conversation, and, if the Redskins make an issue of or want it "cleared up," I'll can go ahead and use it in whatever forum is appropriate. So last night I check my email while working on a story and Karl Swanson, Snyder's PR guy, sends me an email saying I mischaracterized Dan's role in the Clark negotiations, and have given fans the impression that Snyder was heavily involved in contract talks. I admit, I'm getting a little miffed at this point.

After years of Swanson putting out misleading or erroneous press releases in response to my work, and questioning things I write with less-than-accurate statements, I have become somewhat accustomed to this kind of thing. Over the years people like Antonio Pierce, Laveranues Coles and LaVar Arrington have given their repeated on-the-record accounts of contracts talks with the Redskins and their dealings with Snyder, and somehow what they say never matches what the team says. It's been a recurring theme on this beat.

I respond to Karl that in the blog I mentioned two conversations involving Dan, over the course of what was a yearlong negotiation. The issue over whether or not 4 conversations is considered "negotiating" or not, I suppose, is of debate to them.

So I go back to my notes from my talk with Joel, and start typing them up.

"Did Mr. Snyder call me - yes," Turner said. "How many times did he call me - three times (before Clark signed in Pittsburgh) but the fourth call was more important than the other three, because that's when Mr. Snyder called to congratulate us on the contract from Pittsburgh and to wish Ryan well. We really appreciated that and we'll always appreciate the Redskins for giving Ryan a chance to play and for what the organization did for Ryan and his family.

"But I'm not going to lie. Mr. Snyder did call me at different times during the negotiations. At one point in March he said they really wanted to re-sign Ryan and that this (offer) was the best they could do. He wasn't involved in the details - that was between Eric Schaffer and myself - but we did speak. Now, if they want to say that those conversations were not a part of the negotiation, that's fine. Everyone has a different point of view. I suppose if you asked the government right now they'd probably tell you they are winning the war in Iraq."

So now you sleep on it, and figure it's probably not worth following up on. Then you check your email and see that Karl is still convinced that this small blog item gave off seriously misleading impression of the owner. We go through a few more emails in the morning, back-and-forth. Maybe I really need to un-do this atrocity after all, in fairness to Mr. Snyder and his handlers - to clear up any misconceptions that nay have formed. They seem pretty convinced.

So if you were me, would you put it all out there and let the good, and acutely knowledgeable people of the blog form their own ideas, presenting all the details of a Tuesday covering a 3-7 team that seemingly would have bigger fish to fry? Part of you thinks that the team might look better if they/you let it die, but Swanson is pretty adamant that you have fostered the idea of intense face-to-face negotiations between Snyder and Clark, which they are not pleased with, despite them now conceding the overall accuracy of the content of your original blog post, but concerned with its context.

What would you guys do? Oh man, guess this is already out there now. Whoops. My bad.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 22, 2006; 12:24 PM ET
 
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Classic, we decry the ineptitude and flawed team-building stategy of the team for 5 months and the park is concerned with the appearance that Danny is meddling.

Note to Redskins:

WE DON"T CARE. Get a GM and a long term plan.

Don't you guys get it? The fans are being abused and the gravy train will come to an end at some point. Your young Danny think about the future.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

read the story of Nero. I'm seeing parallels.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious?? Maybe they need to shoot an email to Greg Williams and the denfense and ask them if they're showing up on Sunday instead of worrying about a freaking blog!

Posted by: skinzgirl53 | November 22, 2006 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Swanson. In your best p.r. voice, please inform the danny that I, along with thousands of others, are officially done giving you our money. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? Unbelievable that you make THIS an issue. Well, in a sense, it is an issue, because you let a locker room leader leave over a pittance

Posted by: NoMoreSeasonTix | November 22, 2006 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree with Skinz more.

Dear anyone in the Redskins organization:

I DON'T CARE WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. GET A FRIGGIN GM!!!!!!

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 22, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This is ludicrous, why on earth would the owner be meddling in something so petty that has absolutely no bearing on the quality of his product, i.e. the team, that we fans support so much both emotionally AND financially. It's annoying and completely demeaning. GO FIX THE DAMN DEFENSE. Who cares what people write on the blogs....

Posted by: Mike Honcho | November 22, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Swanson, I read the piece on Snyder and Clark "negotiations" by Jason La Canfora and I thought that Mr. Snyder came out very nice. Much nicer than in L. Coles thing.

And in my humble opinion an owner SHOULD talk to his players as in a "real" world situation. And in no way I thought that Snyder was "negotiating" with Ryan Clark's agent.

Please give us the benefit of the doubt and tell Mr. Snyder that all we want for the holidays is a Front-Office Structure like the other 99.99% of the teams in the NFL that includes a GM, who has the authority to say "No" to the coaches and us, the fans.

Thanks.
Sincerely,
Dealer

Posted by: dealer | November 22, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Dannyboy is only involved when handing out 30 mill contracts to overrated FAs! but not involved when low balling own FAs!Makes perfect sense to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BooHoo Boxes 4sale | November 22, 2006 12:46 PM | Report abuse

So now we have confirmation that Dan Snyder reads this blog. Well Mr. Owner, when are you going to go on the record with the media? Print, broadcast...it doesn't matter. What are you afraid of? Everyone already calls you meddlesome. Defend yourself. What's going on with your organization? We pay big money to you...consider us shareholders. Be accountable.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 22, 2006 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Dear Santa,

I'd like a GM for my beloved football team.

And an Aston Martin.

Thanks!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 22, 2006 12:47 PM | Report abuse

tell swanson not to bother, the blog peeps don't read press releases and certainly are capable of making up their own mind re: the danny.

tell him we don't care, we just want to win, again...

Posted by: SkinsFan@8KaboveMSL | November 22, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure "Mr." Snyder still has his no interviews policy during the season, right? I actually think that's a pretty classy move...

Posted by: P Diddy | November 22, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't do interviews during the off season either.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 22, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

P:

you might be better off w/ a Walter PPK . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 22, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Too much time hanging with Scientologists muddling the brain? Danny is a genius at making money, perhaps one of the world's best, but he is not a genius at being the GM of an NFL team. Make the dough but don't run the show. Did Jack Kent Cooke micro manage Bobby Beathard? Hell no. Did he sign the checks and have the final say on big picture items. Hell yes. Time to step back and let the people that know how, just do it! Does Danny just have "yes" men standing by his side? Can't anyone let him know that hanging with Tom Cruise isn't exactly a badge of honor these days?

Posted by: disgruntled in Richmond | November 22, 2006 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The only time I've ever touched a gun was in college. I held a friend's BB gun. Five seconds after holding it, I accidentally shot it off, blowing up a sliding glass door. I promised from that day forward that I would never touch a gun again.

Besides, I'll kill the baddies with my wit, and woo the ladies with my charm and sophistication.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 22, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else here thinking about jumping on the San Diego Chargers' bandwagon? If only we could have had AJ Smith running this org for the past few years.... oh, and at this point, Martyball is looking pretty good, eh?

Posted by: FromTheICU | November 22, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care about the no interview thing.

Let's be honest, the guy is in a no win situation on that one. If he says something he's screwed. If he doesn't, he's screwed.

He hired Joe Gibbs and Gibbs should be the one voice heard from the organization. What I have yet to see is the media really let Gibbs have it. He constantly says, "it's my fault blaim me." but we all know he's the Teflon Don.

Sorry I love Joe Gibbs, love the guy. But if the team is inept and he's saying it's his fault then it's time for all of us to hold him accountable.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

*blame*

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 12:54 PM | Report abuse

>>> "He doesn't do interviews during the off season either."

I think he picks and chooses where he's going to be interviewed. Sadly, most people with power tend to do that, deflecting all manner of accountability from real journalists in favor of puff pieces from hack reporters. See also: President George W. Bush.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 22, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Have A Happy Thanksgiving guys!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 22, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, guess this is already out there now. Whoops. My bad.

Jason, you crack me up, man. I'm truly sorry that you have to deal with knuckleheads all day. The view from Raleigh is that you did the right thing.

I feel like I stick up for Snyder more than most, but why would he turn a non-issue into such a big mess? What a bunch of knuckleheads.

Have a happy Thanksgiving, my friend.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Bingo, Skinz.

And, yes, I'm on the Chargers bandwagon. I almost bought season tickets a few years ago, but then "Mr." Snyder brought St. Joe back and made me a believer again.

The "hope ribbon", as it were...

Posted by: P Diddy | November 22, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy...excellent!! Maybe Snyder will "strategerize" with a real journalist like J La C on the record

Posted by: 4-12 | November 22, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

dysfunctional organization that doesnt have a clue from top to bottom about building and running an nfl contending team.we are all fans for the most part,but if at all possible,we need to stop supporting this organization by not purchasing anything from this organization until this petty larcenous side freak show comes to a halt.this crew has got to be the laughingstock of the nfl!

Posted by: kenny cee | November 22, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

JLC move behind me and to the left (I am right handed)

Eric Schaffer, front office, and the rest of the clowns over there. Big double smack in the back of your head. WTF!!!!! We are 3-7 with a D that plays with no heart. A O line that plays with no heart. And you worried about a blog post. You got to be fu**ing kidding me. JLC you are a better man than I am. Because I know you have some stuff that you could put out (from talking with players) but you don't. This is just crazy!

Posted by: jm220 | November 22, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Got my LT jersey already and playoff tix connections. I'm tired of wearing the paper bag. Heh.. I fell for the St. Joe tease too. *sigh*

Posted by: FromTheICU | November 22, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

J, you da man. This is rich. Rich, I tell you!

Seriously, watch your back out in Ashburn. Can't imagine that Keystone Cops ensemble out there will be amused.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | November 22, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Andyman can!

Posted by: andyman | November 22, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

OH. MUH. GAWD.

This is most petty thing I have ever heard of. It just shows how rotten to the core the organization is. Believe me, I've worked for people like that and they always run around wondering why the company is such an abysmal failure....dyuh. You could hit them with the biggest clue stick and it won't make one bit of difference.

We are the last people they should be worried about. But since they are, I feel obliged to stick it to them: (gotta love that we have names now)

$nyder and Eric Schaffer: good effing job on losing Smoot, Harris, Pierce and everyone else. Way to go. You two dummies should be crowned. Thanks for effing the team over.

Karl Swanson: Wow. I'm flabbergasted; you need to go talk to a shrink. Idiot.

When all the agents get together they must just laugh their a$$e$ off about how colossally stupid this organization is.

Once again, one word fits the Redskins, from top to bottom: Pathetic.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Bolts fan. They have this guy, can't remember his title or function but he trades down and picks up draft pics(Rivers and Merriman for Eli). Unearths hidden talents like Gates. Disagrees with coaches by doing whats best for the team long-term.

It's weird when i think of his title I'll let you know.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, what a ridiculous situation. All this fuss about whether certain conversations did or did not constitute 'negotiations.' The bottom line is a pretty good player slipped away from us.

Jason, in the course of all your back and forth on this absurd non-issue about Snyder's conversations with the agent, has ANYONE in the organization admitted or even hinted that, yeah, gosh, they really whiffed on this one; in retrospect it was silly for them to let Clark go in favor of Archuleta. If anyone had the guts to say that, I'd be really impressed, once I picked myself up off the floor.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 22, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, I wouldn't worry about JLa if they somehow managed to get your fired it's a virtual guarantee you'd go on to have a stellar career in another NFL town.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Skinz,

Sounds too good to be true.... does he manage the cap too?

Posted by: FromTheICU | November 22, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

P:

LOL, again

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 22, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Since this blog is so freaking important I think we need to send them a consulting bill.

No response necessary there Danny, except: "The check is in the mail."

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

OK, I gotta rant- First of all, let me commend the integrity and professionalism with which Jason La Canfora has covered this team and other sports subjects I've seen him cover in the past few years at the Post. He is honest, thorough, unbiased and open to alternative ideas. Thank you. I've been a loyal 'Skins fan for over 20 years now (since I's a little one) and will remain one until the day I die. Am I biased toward this team? Yes. Do I often hope, against reason at times, that the "party line" is correct and everything is going to work out just fine? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that things within this organization are in, at the very least, a period of flux right now; I can recognize that this team needs some deep, long term changes...while still bleeding burgundy and gold. Perhaps if the folks at the top spent less time on semantics like this, and more time on formulating a solid, LONGTERM, realistic management solution- we'd have more wins than losses. NOBODY cares HOW it gets done, as long as the success is substantive and has a good chance of lasting more than a year at a time. This organization should appreciate objective insight, not look to cover it up. Come on Danny, deep down inside you know you bleed the exact same colors we do.

Posted by: Pete in Baltimore | November 22, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Just thinking out loud here.... Swanson and Rove.... hmmm... coincidence? I think not..

Posted by: FromTheICU | November 22, 2006 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Glad to know they're reading the blog. Perhaps they'll take away more insight than a reference to past contract negotiations.

It's pretty lame that they're hassling Jason over this. It's more than the waste of time and ridiculous nature of this matter that offends me. Even if the team didn't have a slew of more pressing issues, why would they ever even give this a second thought?

If this is the kind of issue Snyder's PR guy chooses to focus on in a season like this, I really wonder what the hell they're doing.

Maybe they're pissed about Jason's no nonsense reporting making them out to look like fools. Truth hurts I guess. Well, they ain't helping their cause here.

Posted by: sadskin | November 22, 2006 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and your minions. Enough is enough. Quit with the petty, junior high school, "he said she said". For crying out loud. Joe Gibbs was at his best with Bobby Beathard and then Charley Casserly. GET A COMPETENT GM (sorry Vinny, you don't count) and BUILD THE TEAM FROM THE GROUND UP.

Posted by: Art81 | November 22, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Its about time Jason had the guts to write something like this. Jason now do us all a favor and lay wood to Joe Gibbs. If Joe Gibbs says free agency has helped him, you need to ask him about Archuleta & Barrow, Carter who are busts not to mention Randel-El & Lloyd.

Can you have the guts to ask as to why when we need 1 receiver we get 3?? And is there a chance there will be a GM?

Posted by: Jimmy M | November 22, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you guys get it? The fans are being abused and the gravy train will come to an end at some point. Your young Danny think about the future." - Skinz

I just had a conversation with a cab driver last night about this very thing. "Rebuilding" the team is something fans will show infinite patience with, but what goes on in Ashburn is not rebuilding. The Redskins were a classy team I was proud to be a fan of growing up; under Snyder they are embarrassing. They are nothing more than a bad television commercial; a marketing ploy with no substance or backbone.

How was Clark not resigned? Every fan out there said "bad move" Clark left when Archuletta was brought in. How could Gibbs, Greg Williams, Dan Snyder, whoever not see that? What was that decision based on? Who snapped Clark up- the Super Bowl Champs, a model of consistency and savvy personel moves. It was truly a Bullet/Wizard- like decision. Losing Peirce etc. was bad but giving up on Clark after season the defense reeked of fishiness.

Snyder- ditch Cerrato already. Act like what you are - a steward of our community's beloved Redskins. You "own" the Redskins, but you don't own the Redskins- we do.

Posted by: Concerned Fan | November 22, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins FO is just like Jon Jansen worried about everything but what they need to be FOOTBALL.

Posted by: ih8dallas | November 22, 2006 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be comical if the fans who still chose to attend the remaining games this season at FedEx wore San Diego Chargers colors instead of 'Skins tones? It would be like a tapestry -- a moth-eaten tapestry, of course, what with all the no-shows -- of blue & gold...

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

So is Danny the president now? Only is D.C. would someone care so much about projecting the "wrong" image. Every organization reflects its owner so I guess Danny is a loser. Maybe now we know why, he cares more about looking good (and he always does in March & April) than actually putting a winning product out on the field. Danny may be great at Marketing but he sure does suck at managing.

Posted by: David | November 22, 2006 1:24 PM | Report abuse

ICU-man, Swanson and Rove? What?!

I'm not a big fan of mixing sports and politics, but if you pretend for a second that Politics is the NFL, then Rove is the Patriots. You can hate him or question his tactics, but he's basically owned the league for the better part of 6 years. Swanson, unfortunately, has not.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

In Dan Synder's world his football team is actually 7-3.

Posted by: dc | November 22, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Since the powers-that-be in Ashburn seem to have time to read and worry about a blog, then PLAY ROCKY!! Read Howard Bryant's article today, Snyder et al... Opposing teams (plural, as in at least a few) are out publicly saying they want to attack the right side of your defense, BECAUSE CARTER AND HOLDMAN STINK. Does Warrick have naked pics of somebody? Seriously, how does such a stiff stay in the line-up?

Posted by: RockyRockyRocky | November 22, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be comical if the fans [...] wore San Diego Chargers colors

Ordering my San Diego #21 jersey right now.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thread! What strikes me is that (1) Jason clearly puts in print that Eric (cap guy) and Joel (agent) worked out details, not Mr. $nyder but (2) no one in the $kins organization denies that Mr. $nyder would know PRECISELY the terms being put on the table (regardless of whether he would lower himself to engage in the haggling).

The hubbub is not petty as far as Mr. $nyder is concerned, this is about marketing, merchandising, and the brand. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (hint: everyone knows he's bad for the brand). Joe Gibbs is the face of the brand. Now get back to your consumption of Skins merchandise! [And besides, Mr. $nyder is much too important to APPEAR that he actually is involved in details over things like, say, MONEY!]

Also, this isn't regular old hubris (a la the President and friends on Iraq), this is much more sinister ... this is the kind of stuff that leaves the underdog hanging there (see in-season punishments, like LaVar, and Archubingus, yes Archubingus), rather than finishing them off...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Bar_Sinister

Posted by: dcsween | November 22, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

If JLC can stand up to Redskins management why can't their own president and real head coach stand up to his assistants that are making bad decisions by not running the ball and benching players that need to be benched. "Holdman and Carter"

Thanks for the reporting. Let the war between the Post and the Skins continue.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 22, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

the skins are putrid from top to bottom:

the danny: refuses to organize to win
vinny: absolutely incapable of evaluating talent
gibbs: too old, too set in his ways; was done the final 2 years of his previous goround
coaching staff: the laughing stock of the league
O-Line: awful
D-Line: awful
D-secondary: awful
L Betts: awful


Posted by: tosadtocry | November 22, 2006 1:31 PM | Report abuse

ih8dallas,

love it. Right on. Jansen is a nice guy and down-to-earth but come on man, if you want to be a commentator go do it. If you want to be a football player then start playing like one.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Also- AWESOME note about the economic comparison between the 'Skins and Pats'. Perfect example.

Posted by: BmorePete | November 22, 2006 1:33 PM | Report abuse

tosadtocry....only nitpicking the Gibbs comment. He won the Super Bowl in his 2nd to last season in his first go-round

Posted by: Groin Strain | November 22, 2006 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Whoa people I think we should look at the good side of this. If there are idiots in the Redskins org reading this and taking our advice, Let's come up with some good stuff. We can divide the duties up like these idiots. Some people can be the front office, some can be coaches of the offense and some can be coaches of the defense. Jason your the CEO, Uh I mean head coach. I want a spot on the defense staff. My motto "Attack you idiot"

Posted by: Don Redskin | November 22, 2006 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Superb work in flushing out this idiocy.

The arrogance in Ashburn is immeasurable. One day the they will have their comupance.

Posted by: Gregg | November 22, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason, I while back I think you said you listen to Public Enemy and you still like them... Well, I bet there are a few songs you could play, insert Redskins Administration and get a big laugh.

To by 'Boyz' Karl and Dannie (not really as I dislike both of you) WTF is up man? I have loved the skins from the day i was introduced to this game... It's got an odd shaped ball and you can use your hands (no yellow cards). I have followed the team since 1986 and I have only missed a few games... Those few games have all been this year. I have missed them because I can't stand watching my favorite team go out on the field and perform the way they do.

I equate Joe Gibbs with GOD... He is my GOD as I'm an atheist and don't believe in a real one (I hope to not offend any religious friends on the board).

With all this said, for the good of the team wake up. Dan or Mr. Snyder if that makes it any better, we understand you are a marketing genius and a business man but what have you done right since you took over the team? Have you done anything positive for us? You brought us players that the fans despised (Neon Deon Sanders). You have brought us coach after coach who have not made an impact. BUT, one man has stayed and that one man is ....... (I'll leave that for you to fill in).

Please for the love of the fans let us free. Let us take a breath without having to curse the team we love.

For now I'm going to swatch channels between the skins game when were on defense to whatever 3rd rate Football (soccer) match is being shown on TV. It's sad but I'd rather watch Columbian football than the Redskins defense.

Posted by: Franky Four Fingers | November 22, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Ordering my San Diego #21 jersey right now."

Me too - giving my money to a team that deserves it. I never thought the day would come it would be hard to be a Redskin fan. Go Chargers!

Redskin fans - mobilize for change. The Post and our intrepid reporters will speak for us. Thanks for the outstanding work, Jason.

Posted by: Concerned Fan | November 22, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason, Truly great work that you're doing.

As for the Wire, do you have HBO On Demand so that you are able to see the episodes a week early? If not, I highly recommend that you get it. The next episode is amazing. All sorts of set ups. BTW, now I really think that Omar and Michael will have a run in. It's cool how the ring is getting passed around the way that it is...


Posted by: bv26 | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

one last comment... let it out. we already know how messed up things are within this organization and it's time people start to voice their anger with the teams management and with the way Snyder has run the team.

Posted by: Franky Four Fingers | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

J La C, you continue to show everyone why you are indeed the man. I may live in Jersey now and the team might suck, and it does, but your blogs still make it kind of fun to follow this frustrating and horribly run franchise.

Posted by: BigCountry22 | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

J La C, you continue to show everyone why you are indeed the man. I may live in Jersey now and the team might suck, and it does, but your blogs still make it kind of fun to follow this frustrating and horribly run franchise.

Posted by: BigCountry22 | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder or Swanson is unhappy with the way they are being protrayed, let them do a Guest Blog. Seriously.

Let the acutely knowledgeable people of the blog decide if they're full of it. I'd appreciate it if they'd Guest Blog about why the free-agency nonsense continues.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 1:38 PM | Report abuse


Great post Jason..... you do kick ass work on the blog and in your columns.

Posted by: Kovachs | November 22, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

See Jason it's posts like these:

[quote]
So now we have confirmation that Dan Snyder reads this blog. Well Mr. Owner, when are you going to go on the record with the media? [/quote]

That should clue you in on the intelligence of most of the skins fan base. That they in fact are clueless. You need to be as accurate as humanly possible because most of these idiots like the person above don't know how to read what's in front of them. Proof that Snyder reads the blog? No...proof that members of the Skins organization read the blog...yes. You see how everything needs to be spelled out? The problem is that members of the media bashed Snyder so much when he was involved in contract negotations, is there any question as to why they would be sensitive to it now?

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason, thank you for the way you do your job.

Posted by: Ian | November 22, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"If there are idiots in the Redskins org reading this and taking our advice,"

Don,

Why would you think they would take our advice? They don't take the advice of real NFL personell guys. They don't copy cat in a copy cat league. Come on, learn to play racquet ball and practice saying yes. Then you may input.

Posted by: Skinz | November 22, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

See Jason it's posts like these:

[quote]
So now we have confirmation that Dan Snyder reads this blog. Well Mr. Owner, when are you going to go on the record with the media? [/quote]............ unsigned post. hmmmmm. perhaps this came straight from world headquarters in Ashburn

Posted by: justwinbaby | November 22, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

J-La - good god man what does it feel like to be in the center of a middle school student council fight? Your stock already high just took a spike upwards.

I will now resort to the middle school response because who doesn't love to be 13 every now and then?

Hey Swanson Turkey Breast Dinner - don't you have something better to do?

Oh wait I know they have a position called

Assitant Head Coach in Charge Reading a Blog and helping people stick their heads up their a$$es.

Mind you my ego has inflated into an animal balloon knowing someone reads all of our ramblings and rants and hilarities but I'm happy to have a massively deflated ego if our team would do something that a) made sense and b)built a team for winning.

*sigh*

Posted by: sfskin | November 22, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This uproar over semantics shows why the Skins have issues. Which fan actually thought that Synder was sitting across from agents hammering out deals? Fans do know that the buck stops with Danny-Boy. It's common sense that he's at the very least approving a budget. Why does he try to make it seem like he's merely a background player and not ummm, well, umm the owner!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: Ramo | November 22, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey unsigned poster. If you think danny's boys are reading this blog and he's not, then you're the clueless one. (Yes, it's middle school name calling now).

Posted by: justwinbaby | November 22, 2006 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Quite frankly, I don't trust the media to properly handle an interview with Dan Snyder. I think with the abuse of Sports Talk radio (why have these jerks been given the power of the microphone and why do so many "fans" empower them?), and the unjustified power of papers like the Post, no one can be fairly represented.

It's obvious by the results obtained by the Redskins that they haven't figured this thing out. They continue to make absolutely foolish mistakes in running the football operation. But as much as I'd like to hear from them about a better plan, I'd hate to hear it through the filters of the Washington Sports media.

But, I guess we're stuck with what we have from both entities.

Go Skins! Go Jason Campbell!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted by: FW | November 22, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Allow me to represent the Republican point of few (The Danny and I speak the same language and share a secret handshake): 3 weeks ago Republicans were ousted from the house and senate not entirely because, but in large part to, their own base not showing up. Yet Skins fans, of whom I am one, keep going to games, buying jerseys, and supporting the organization in any number of ways simply because they are 'fans'. Perhaps if 'the base' stops showing up, things can change with the team, and 2006 can be a banner year for a new direction (if nothing else).

Personally, I hope that new direction is trading what looks to be a top 5 pick in a defensive line heavy draft for multiple first rounders, instead of veteran players who never seem to amount to much.

Posted by: SeenInToledo | November 22, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Not to change the subject when its only Wednesday, but I thought Duckett looked sweet last week, esp. compared to Betts' fumble. Given that Jason Campbell really is a rookie, maybe it would be OK to re-focus on the running game this week. I understand that Julius Peppers' really isn't that good at pass rushing so maybe its doesn't make a difference [text readers who cannot detect tone ... this is sarcasm].

Posted by: dcsween | November 22, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

SNYDER AND REDSKINS ORGANIZATION: READ THIS!!! This little escapade against JLC is horrendous. It illustrates everything that is wrong with the Redskins!!

Dan Snyder: You own the Redskins! And what comes with that is RESPONSIBILITY for everything that happens, good and bad!!! You are responsible, because YOU and ONLY YOU have the power to delegate authority within the organization!! When one of your guys F*$%s up, the responsibility falls on you because you delegated that person the authority to perform that job function!!

FACTS:
1. The Redskins undervalued Ryan Clark. Result, we lose a good player, and a "CORE REDSKIN." BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT!!!

2. We bring in adam archie to replace clark at 10 times what clark was asking for. Result, a highly overpaid, overvalued punt protecting, third string safety. BE ACCOUNTABLE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR MISTAKE!!!

3. DAN SNYDER - You are not being accountable for any of the decisions made in your organization!! Stand up like a man and take responsibility for losing R. Clark and A. Pierce because you would rather pay more to outsiders than pay your own hard working "CORE REDSKINS"! James Thrash has probably been screwed over most by this philosophy - he continues to work hard and perform in games, but instead of paying him more we bring in outside talent and pay them 10 times what thrash is getting, and keep him on the bench (another core Redskin gets SCREWED)!!

Now Mr. Snyder you can sit there and point the finger at a lowly reporter, or you can get up off your ass, take RESPONSIBILITY for the organizations MISTAKES, and present the fans with a plan to correct those mistakes, and we will gladly respect you!! OR, you can keep pointing fingers at everybody but yourself, and we will continue to hate and disrespect you.

Ok, I've gotten that off my chest. Sorry Mr. Snyder, but you needed to hear it.

Posted by: Max | November 22, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

'View'. Long weekend approaching, apparently my mind is already there.

Posted by: SeenInToledo | November 22, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Heh. I doubt that Anonymous Coward was really from Redskins Park but just for fun let's pretend:

That should clue you in on the intelligence of most of the skins fan base.

Way to insult the people that ultimately pay you. Unfortunately for the Skins, the people on this blog are more intelligent than you. Maybe, instead of reading this blog you should be concerned with football. There's a hint, hunh?

The problem is that members of the media bashed Snyder so much when he was involved in contract negotations, is there any question as to why they would be sensitive to it now?

Wah-Wah-Wah. Cry me a river. Can't take the heat? Don't own a team. I'm sure we all really feel for poor Daniel $nyder.

Keep playing the game by your rules and keep losing. I'm sure you'll be just as confused as to why the players don't put out on the field next year.

And in the interest of not being yet another anonymous coward I'll take it one step further: my handle at gmail.com. Go ahead and email me, b!tch; I double dog dare you.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

no surprise here. Snot-nosed Danny boy has the greatest case of SMS (Short Man's Syndrome) I've ever witnessed. Who knows? If he hooks up with the other classic locker room loser who is making up for never succeeding as a PLAYER in organized sports (Tom "one step away from that FLDS Pastor Jeffs" Cruise) Danny-boy may even end up going down in history as famous as Napoleon.

I've had it with the whole thing. Poor Joe. He needs an exit strategy, something that will save his good name.

Posted by: skinzfunatic | November 22, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Heavy Metal Parking Lot.

Arlington Cinema and Drafthouse.

Tonight!

Posted by: OD | November 22, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The Skins read this blog??? Great, here's some bulletin board material for you...YOU SUCK!!! You are breaking my heart this year and you won't win another game this year. Please prove me wrong. I want to believe. Make me believe! Mr. Snyder, PLEASE hire a GM and build through the draft. A free agent here and there won't hurt, but COME ON!

Posted by: BooferSux | November 22, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead and email me, b!tch; I double dog dare you.


Damn Megskin! Now that's what I talking about. And since we are taking back to the school days. Off the bus after school front office. (and you know what that means)

Posted by: jm220 | November 22, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Hail to the MEGSKINS...
hail victory...
MEG's on the warpath...
she fights for you and me"

Posted by: Hailtothe... | November 22, 2006 2:03 PM | Report abuse

When you stand me next to Snyder it makes him look taller :)

Posted by: Tom Cruise | November 22, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

OK Cindy. Jump in here and tell us you got JLC back.

Posted by: jm220 | November 22, 2006 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not whether Mr. Snyder is negotiating with players, it's that he CARES what we and the media think about him negotiating with the players!!!! He owns the team. He can do what he wants, and we, as fans, can either support the team or not. The fact that they care about what we think shows that they have no confidence in the overall plan. Get a plan, have patience, and build through the draft. That's a strategy that builds confidence and a solid foundation.

Posted by: EssDog | November 22, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Do you remember a smug Dan Snyder uttering the words, "you didn't want me to meddle did you?"

Good bloggers...its time for the revolution. Season ticket holders, bring signs to the game. Non-ticket holders, lets "tailgate" by bbqing our old skins jerseys in the parking lot... (i think we all know the outcome of the game. you wont be missing much!)

Its time to send Napoleon Snyderite a message.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 22, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It's time to blow this team up starting with the front office. Gibbs needs a GM that actually can pick talented players. Gibbs needs to get back to coaching those talented players and winning. Gibbs did not respect the job Beathard did and now he has learned a valuable lesson (hopefully). Bring in a capable GM NOW!

Posted by: Jimreaper | November 22, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

First of all, who is this dumb PR person making a big deal out of this?!? Is the the same PR person that works for TO!?!

Second of all, this team has bigger problems then WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF THE SHORT, NAPOLIAN COMPLEX, OWNER. We already think you are a jerk. You have horrible parking. Horrible prices for food. Make lots of money off of US and you cannot field a good team because YOU NEED YES MEN TO STROKE YOUR LITTLE TINY..... EGO. GET OVER YOURSELF DAN. You have taken one of the best teams in America and made them the laughing stock of the league!!!

This is just beyond stupid now. They are giving anyone who asks hard questions (Czaban), doesn't write what they want (JLA), and doesn't say what they want (Triple X radio).

How this man made any money is BEYOND me. I am guessing he cheated someone out of it. Stole someone else's idea. I cannot believe how horribly this team is run. How many people have quit working for him. Take the hint Dan!! You would not need a moron PR guy like this if YOU WERE NOT SUCH AN IGNORANT FOOL!!!!

Sorry for the rant guys. I just cannot believe this is what our team is coming to. It blows my mind. They want to control the press like Hitler.

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 22, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

From a football standpoint -- and I have to qualify this because apparently how much money the team is worth pumps up some Skins fans (NOTE: Pro sports fans should know The FIELD is where you win championships, not FORBES) -- only history will confirm that the Daniel Snyder era has been the worse period for the Washington Redskins Football Team.

Every single year of his ownership tenure there is a moment when I have scratched my head in confusion (e.g., letting quality people and players -- Johnson, Pierce, et.al -- walk) OR chosen to 'look the other way' (the Coles situation; large bonuses paid to 'try-hard'/overrated players; the payroll/salary cap, etc.) OR have been absolutely furious over the direction of the team as it relates to the front office (I don't have all day...pick your favorite and insert here).

I support my fellow Skins fans' call for a General Manager. However, as JLa and other astute NFL observers have already detailed, Snyder's Redskins have a management style that has not, from a football standpoint, been successful at building a lasting foundation for championship football (e.g., New England Pats - and I absolutely hate the Pats but admire the organization top to bottom). Vinny Cerrato is nothing more than what the overly involved Snyder wants in a GM.

I'm not specifically here to trash Snyder but I respect JLa alot and read his blog when posted (apparently the Redskins front office does as well). So when I read this thing about the blog's Ryan Clark contract negotiations story and the subsequent attack on JLa, I was absolutely appalled and thought to myself: There it is, my moment of absolute infuriation with the Snyder regime for 2006! Thanks, Dan.

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
H. L. Mencken

Posted by: CampbellSoupFan | November 22, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Good show, Jason.

Just don't get defensive re Snyder. FO ain't got no defense, either.

But getting into a p--sing contest with a skunk takes too much energy. Use yours--as you have--with continued excellent reporting on a dysfunctional organization. (Organization????)

Best regards from an 83 year old fan who's been going to games since 1955.

Posted by: HP in VT | November 22, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Megskin- EXCELLENT!! I didn't even consider that possibility. It would make sense, wouldn't it? Well said.

Posted by: BMore Pete | November 22, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Ah, man, that's just a lot of shabingas over a niggling point! What was it Henry Kissinger said? "School politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small." Cripes, if there was a thing to comment on, it's everything else that's been going pear-shaped with the Skins this season. This little brouhaha is the equivalent of realizing that you're not going to win your land war in Asia, so you'll just go invade the little atoll island of Hebuboobawoobajooba, somewhere in the remote Yellowstone National Park-like vicinity of Fiji, whose income is solely derived from internet domains, little quaint pet coconuts and making funny faces at passing cruise ships! The Redskins are getting beaten across the head, and they're worrying about the tiniest fraction of a by-the-way missive from Jason!

Yes, I think I'll be diving into the turkey this weekend. The liquid kind.

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 22, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Jack Kent Cooke: Its time to send Napoleon Snyderite a message.

Even the dead have it in for him.

EssDog: He can do what he wants, and we, as fans, can either support the team or not.

I support the guys on the field, that's who I want to see succeed. I can't stand this organization; it makes me puke.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I moved away from DC 10 years ago, out of necessity for work. My father is visiting me today, for Thanksgiving. We are both diehard skins fans.

Today he told me a story, could someone, anyone, please tell me THIS IS NOT TRUE:

Danny-Boy SMSnyder bought a huge house that overlooked the Patomac River. It overlooked dozens of acres of park land that was on the river banks. Ghey boy then hired some strong men (once again, the locker room reject has never actually competed in sports) to, in the middle of the night, go and cut down thousands of tons of timber (ALL of the trees) between his new mansion and the river, ALL JUST SO HE HAD A BETTER VIEW. Later, when the government threatened legal action, he planted and equal number of SAPLINGS to replace the hundred year old trees! (therefore leaving his "view" intact!

IS THIS ACTUALLY TRUE??? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS AN URBAN LEGEND AND THAT NO ONE MAN (GHEY) COULD BE THIS NAPOLENONIC!!!!

Posted by: NFW | November 22, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

To the Redskins front office:

You guys are amatuers and unprofessional. Tell Dan Snyder he is a punk, a jerk, a bully, and a person with no soul. The Skins will continue to be losers until they realize that the way they run things is compeletly wrong. Oh yeah, get ready for A LOT of season ticket holders not to renew their subscription. Redskins are sick of this organization in much the same way that Orioles fans are sick of Angelos. You cannot soley rely on the history of the franchise and false hope with your garbage free agency spending trends to win over the hearts of the greatest fans of the greatest sports franchise ever. Soon, you will know what it means to be playing in half empty stadiums. Good luck trying to come up with a way to buy the hearts of Redskins fans again.

Sincerely,

A Redskins' Fan Who Lives in Reality

Posted by: Todd | November 22, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, my last unreadable post was venting to be directed to Skins fans, I in no way think Dan reads this. As a matter of fact I am positive Dan does not read this as I do not see him doing anything himself. He needs people to do everything for him.

I do believe, however, that he has someone reading this and they report 5% of what is said on here back to him.

Anyway, one of the points I was trying to make but my emotion caused me to fail is..

Dan's EGO is showing here. It is his EGO that causes this team to retain someone like Cerrato. He needs a spineless yes man like him to run the team. If he were to get a real football guy he might be told he is WRONG about something for the first time ever. Since he has been WRONG about pretty much everything since he has been here.

Snyder's people. If you want Skins fans to like Snyder how about staying away from blogs and tell the jerk to do something FOR US FOR ONCE. Otherwise just tell him he is not a likeable person.

Even if he WON A SUPER BOWL people would still have to wait in line for 2 hours to get out of the stadium. They would still have to spend $300 a game to park, sit, eat, and drink. They would still have to deal with his avoiding the press and never talking to the fans.

Snyder is half the man (no pun intended) that Cook was.

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 22, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

To the Redskins front office:

You guys are amatuers and unprofessional. Tell Dan Snyder he is a punk, a jerk, a bully, and a person with no soul. The Skins will continue to be losers until they realize that the way they run things is compeletly wrong. Oh yeah, get ready for A LOT of season ticket holders not to renew their subscription. Redskins are sick of this organization in much the same way that Orioles fans are sick of Angelos. You cannot soley rely on the history of the franchise and false hope with your garbage free agency spending trends to win over the hearts of the greatest fans of the greatest sports franchise ever. Soon, you will know what it means to be playing in half empty stadiums. Good luck trying to come up with a way to buy the hearts of Redskins fans again.

Sincerely,

A Redskins' Fan Who Lives in Reality

Posted by: Todd | November 22, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang! Just spoke with Jason and he's alive and well. :)
I just want to reiterate that The Post and Jason are not at war with the Redskins. Sometimes shining a light can feel like hell, but it should never be confused with war. War is what's happening to brave people in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places.
And The Post would welcome Mr. Snyder or Mr. Swanson or any other member of Redskins management as a guest blogger. The entry would not be edited; there would be no Washington Sports "filter." This would be an opportunity to interact with an important, intelligent part of the fan base. We'd post it same as we have, say, Meg's guest blogs.
Thanks.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 22, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Today he told me a story, could someone, anyone, please tell me THIS IS NOT TRUE:

Sorry. It is true, as reported by the WaPo on December 18th 2004.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Megskin;

Any way you or someone could post a link to that story? Some things, like FIRST CONTACT with an ALIEN RACE, or things like a Napolenoic locker room loser with the greatest case of SMS ever witnessed personally ruining OUR parkland so he can have a better view, MUST BE VERIFIED.

Please post a link so I can know I am not dreaming.

Posted by: NFW | November 22, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason La Confora,

Do you think that Sir Alex should have activated me for the game against Celtic FC? It sure looked like they could have used me in there. Go Red Devils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Freddy Adu | November 22, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs Club Level Season Tickets: $ 5K
Art Monk Game Jersey: $ 190, 10 years ago
Danny's Fleecing of the Fan: Merciless...

For everything else there's College Hoops

Posted by: MonkFan81 | November 22, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

NFW, that is the disturbing story that i heard.

Don't forget that he tried to charge people to walk across the street from landover mall.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 22, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Just read this, but haven't read any of the comments. I'm cooking my first Thanksgiving Day dinner for my gf and my family, so I've been real busy.

One thing popped into my head when I read this: if the Skins front office was a little more worried about the product they are putting on the field and a little less concerned with the Danny's public persona, there would be no issues with the Danny's public persona.

Hey front office, return the Skins to their heralded winning ways, and maybe you wouldn't have to worry about this petty BS!!

That just ruined my afternoon. I can't imagine what it did to your last 24 hours JLC. Thanks for all the reporting, and even moreso thanks for being accountable for what you publish, both to the subjects and the readers. We appreciate it.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 22, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

So, I guess Jason is at home watching his plasma tv that Snyder sent him.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 22, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Certainly not from redskin park. But if you want to think so more power to you.

Meg I'll email you at your gmail account in about five years when you emerge from puberty.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

...and eating the melted vanilla ice cream

Posted by: 48-3 | November 22, 2006 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 22, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

And let's continue to set the story straight (from A1 of the Post in May):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR2006051802337.html

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 22, 2006 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Meg I'll email you at your gmail account in about five years when you emerge from puberty.

Wow, your so witty there CluelessOne.

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Whoa there anonymous, everyone here knows alot about Megskin based on the clues she's dropped over the months, and I (for one) am thinking she would drop you like a bag of sand (assuming it was a cage match of sarcasm, irony, metaphor, hyperbole, etc.).

I'm with jm220 shouting out about the big goins-on in the parking lot after school. GET READY TO RUMMMMMBLE!

Posted by: dcsween | November 22, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

My apologies for calling it a war between WaPo and the Skins. Poor figure of speech in these times. I retract that statement.

Posted by: calebt17 | November 22, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Since day one, I could tell that Snyder reads this stuff. Insane!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Thank God you clarified this for me. I was really worried about Dan S being involved in detailed negotiations. What a disaster that would be.

The Other Dan

Posted by: The other Dan | November 22, 2006 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason's editor, isn't there a follow up to this 12/17 story? I thought the Dept. of Interior's inspector general got involved and some Park Service employees got admonished. [I know what a drag it is when my superiors admonish me, like this one time, he walked by when I was reading this blog, he said "I admonish you!" Man, I was good and admonished that day.]

Posted by: dcsween | November 22, 2006 2:36 PM | Report abuse

JLC,
I know for a fact that Danny "boy" is involved in negotiations. He did the same thing to Antonio Pierce and he knows it, if he reads this. I know AP's personal friend and he told me what happened.

AP, walked into Danny "boys" office, told him about the Giants offer and told Danny "boy" that he would sign with Skins if they matched and Danny "boy" told him straight to his face that he would not match the offer. Danny "boy" is an evil human being. He only cares to take your (fans) money. He's a con man. Stealing fans' money and not showing anything in return (wins). Can you say "ENRON"...

JLC, if you get fired, then we know that Danny "boy" was the cause. He wants to use his money to make himself look good. He needs counseling. That's what he needs.

The fans are stupid to give him more money. Hit him where it hurts, then he'll learn. Until then, he will never change.

Posted by: ray | November 22, 2006 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, I think the rest of us get what Megskin was saying in the 'b!tch' post, where she was sarcastically addressing you as she would a hypothetical apologist posting from deep inside Redskins Park...

So two quick things: back off of Megskin, she's with us. And be a man and post with a handle.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 22, 2006 2:39 PM | Report abuse

There was another story, DCsween. Scroll back a coupla posts for the link.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 22, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Campbellsoupfan....

I support my fellow Skins fans' call for a General Manager. However, as JLa and other astute NFL observers have already detailed, Snyder's Redskins have a management style that has not, from a football standpoint, been successful at building a lasting foundation for championship football (e.g., New England Pats - and I absolutely hate the Pats but admire the organization top to bottom).

You do realize the skins have the same basic structure as the Pats do yes? Instead of Kraft (owner) Pioli (VP-Player Personel-NOT GM) and Belichick (coach) you have Snyder (owner) Cerrato (direcor Player Personel) Gibbs (coach/president).

Now has the results been the same...no, but it's not because the Pats have some radically different management structure complete with a General Manager...when in fact they do not.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I am sickened, absolutely ill after reading those two links to the SMSnyder story about killing all those trees.

I am not a tree hugger. I drive an SUV, and served my country in Iraq. This is not a resume speech, just setting the table.

The bottom line is any attempt to say that the trees which were cut down were not indigenous, or diseased, or whatever, is just a sad slant on the truth: Danny Partidge didn't want the trees there, so he had them cut down.

1) they were cut down in the middle of the night
2) he had "ties" with the senior level of the authorities who had jurisdiction (as stated in the article)
3) the most compelling: why would it only be this ONE SWATH of trees which needed to be culled from the forrest? So I guess the trees on either side of Dannyboy's swath are perfectly fine, and somehow the ones needing replaced perfectly matched the sight lines from SMS boy's balcony?

Give me a break. Nothing anyone can send me or say to me at this point will restore my interest in the skins. Perhaps I am weak in that regard, but I simply can not root or support a team owned by an immature, arrogant little boy who never competed in athletics, but because of his Napolenoic tendencies has never been told "no."

Best of luck to all of you.

Posted by: NFW | November 22, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Just for you Nate.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX's Daddy | November 22, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, thanks. I think you hit 'submit' before I did. I stand admonished (and I think Joe Gibbs would have to say about the DOI Inspector General, "He admonished his guts out.")

Posted by: dcsween | November 22, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow. All I can do is laugh. And we wonder why this organization is so dysfunctional? It's going to be a long next few years because if anyone thinks this team will be able to do anything before Gibbs' original contract is up they're delusional. I'm at a loss, I don't know what to think of this organization anymore. What I do know is they need to STFU and win. That's about all they need to do. Crying like babies over poor Danny being "misrepresented" is a useless waste of time. Grow up, shut up and win. Don't say a damn thing until then.

Posted by: Adam | November 22, 2006 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I can't help but think Maske would have handled this situation with a little more class than JLC did.

JLC has a little Extremeskins in him I think.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | November 22, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse


Redskins remind me of the San Francisco 49ers when they had Rice, Young, Montana and etc... They were an expensive team and had to rebuild in the late 90s because of the cap.

Redskins are like the 49ers except they haven't won anything and they will soon come crashing with the cap.

Why does Vinny have a blog? Anyone read it?

Mr. Snyder, you don't have to fire Vinny, you can just reassign him. Maybe a position at Six Flags. He can be encharge of hiring there. I'm sure he will succeed.

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 22, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Snyder,

You are one of the smartest owners in the league. You have built a money-making dynasty. You can make money without winning. It is amazing. We continually get excited in the offseason with the big news of free agent signings. And we bite on the prospect of a Huge Year!

I can hardly wait until this offseason. Its looking pretty good. We won't need to package several future 1st rounders to move up in the draft. It is looking like we should get the #3 or #4 pick.

Keep us coming back for more!

Posted by: Donzo | November 22, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I would disagree, Huxtable. I'm glad he's exposing their ridiculousness to a degree. Personally, I believe JLC does a better job covering the skins than anyone we've had around here in some time.

Posted by: Adam | November 22, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Owner Formerly Known As The Danny needs to stop worrying about what is said in this Blog and start LISTENING to what is said in this Blog.

And guess what, we work for free. So you can invest the savings of not hiring a GM (and the consequental savings of not blowing tens of millions of dollars on the Archibungis' of the NFL world) into buying a new jumbotron for the stadium. Oh, wait, that's right, you inherited an old analog system and can't figure out how to upgrade it. I forgot.

Posted by: CMoney | November 22, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If we had an actual GM, or someone with any kind of evaluation skills, this wouldn't even be an issue. Clark would still be here and Archuleta would be letting receivers run by him in another division.

Posted by: Raub | November 22, 2006 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Cliff Huxtable

I have to disagree with you on this one. JLC handled this with class if you ask me. Thing you should be questioning is why in hell are they worried about this when we are 3-7?

Posted by: jm220 | November 22, 2006 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ugh where is the ghost of Jack Kent Cooke to float down and smack Snyder upside his head.

It is a disgrace that the PR team and Redskins are paying attention to this blog. They need to worry about their own problems because they certainly have more than their fair share of them.

Snyder's so wrapped up being a businessman that I only wish he'd think back to the days he was that "fan" growing up and cheering his team on. If he could not forget where he came from..then maybe just maybe he might realize changes will be made and that would mean getting rid of people close to him *coughs* Vinny Cerrato *coughs*. Who knows..after all this is a front office that hired PEPPER FRICKIN RODGERS at one point. A man with next to no front office experience. I don't know. I pray and I pray something will happen inside of Snyder and things will change.

I've had enough...I'm going to buy myself a Ouija board and summon the spirit of Jack Kent Cooke to awaken and come kick some ass. LOL. A little humor for the holidays. In all honesty let's hope things will change. This offseason will be the most interesting of any.

For now I'm going to root for what we have. Hopefully some players will assert themselves and start to set a foundation for the future.

Hail

Posted by: Jonathan | November 22, 2006 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Guest blog! Guest Blog! Guest Blog!

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Cliff, the audience for this blog has clearly been established and JLa gives the people what they want.

We dont want straight up reports of NFL happenings (otherwise Maske's comment counts would be higher).

I love Maske, but give JLa a break.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 22, 2006 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Karl Swanson thinks about Max's commentary.

Posted by: O IN E | November 22, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

This is unreal.

I'm not going to assume the Org reads any posts, if they have a gripe with my boy JLC, they have a gripe with the concept of Freedom of Speech and (que For spacious skies) everything our forefathers desired in pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Wins on Sunday!

As I've grown up (I'm now 7 2/3) I try not only to look at a situation from the point of view of all those involved, embracing empathy, understanding, and hopefully just resolution, but I try to look at the emotional drivers creating that situation.

Let's apply:

Skins upset at image JLC has insinuated in post regarding Snyder. What person is concerned about their image? One who is strong in character, charisma, and confidence? Possibly, but unlikely. One who is insecure in their current sorroundings? More likely. It is my opinion (bear in mind, I'm but an ignorrant Skins fan who has yet to glimpse my first sex ed video) that this organization is starting to finally feel a bit of imbalance due to regional opinion driven by the passion and tenacity of the fan base.

Now, as a member of the front office, before lashing out at JLC, don't I realize that I'll be slicing my arm in the middle of an ocean with a sharp object? Obviously not. So, essentially, what have I done to for the front office by b!tching about nothing? Created a feeding frenzy. It's officially Shark Week and this blog is the Discovery Channel.

My base instinct doesn't even care if Gecko's image was unjustly tarnished by JLC, cause right now I smell blood. And when I smell blood, I swim to get dinner.

FEED ME DANNY!!! FEED ME VINNY!!!

FEED ME SKINS!!! I WANT WINS! FIRE GREG!!! FIRE GREG!!! FIRE GREG!!! FIRE GREG!!!

I have to go back to my water colors by numbers now, I'll miss you all.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 22, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"Up here, we have certain principles". Yeah, like fighting our guts out.

Posted by: justwinbaby | November 22, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday I defended Snyder (saying that it's all Gibbs making the decisions). It still may be. But this makes me think that the Danny is more involved than I thought.

This is a bit overboard by the organization. Very ham handed and unnecessary. Me thinks he doth protest too much, so to speak.

Yesterday Charlie Casserly was on the radio. i heard him say that the usual way things run (and for him it was contractual and was this way here and in Houston) is that the GM gets the draft decisions. The coach gets the FA decisions with the GM and where there's a disagreement about the FA decisions between coach and GM, the owner steps in and breaks the tie.

What NEEDS to be asked/answered is what happens in the Redskins organization. Is it Gibbs on draft day, or Cerrato? Is it Gibbs or Cerrato or Snyder who initiate, negotiate trades? Who decides that a trade is reasonable (we've failed on this one a lot)? Who can nix the trade? Who stands up to Joe and says "this doesn't make sense for the organization?"

I SUSPECT that Snyder is just signing off on anything Gibbs wants, that Cerrato isn't strong enough (nor do I trust his judgement) to tell Gibbs no. I think Gibbs isn't the best personnel guy. I think that the Danny has turned over the decision making to Gibbs (and thus thinks that he has learned from his 1999-2000 FA mistakes). I think that the Danny goes overboard to make sure Gibbs gets what he wants.

Gibbs is Danny's hero. Has been. Not sure if he feels that way now. Gibbs has led us down this path. It hasn't worked. NOW WHAT?

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | November 22, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear Front Office,

ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME??????????

You are upset over a misunderstanding on a blog???

THIS WHY YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,

A fan who will be dropping his season tickets

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 22, 2006 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So far, an unscientific sampling of JLaC v $nyderbots gives a TKO to JLaC ... even Santorum had a 'better' margin of defeat... i think it was ALincoln who said it was better to be quiet & have people think you are stupid than to open your yapper & remove all doubt...Get rid of Vinny-the-Baller and check the email whereabouts of Beathard or Wolf...

Posted by: bobbo-in-eastonPA | November 22, 2006 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Snyder immediately took away season tickets from those fans who sold them on ebay. Then he signs a deal with stubhub so that he can profit. Perhaps those fans who lost their tickets are better off now??!!

Posted by: Max | November 22, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Jason, this is great journalism.

Bottom line is the Redskins are a joke, the Raiders of the east if you will.

They pay Archuletta all that money and tell Clark they have no more?

It doesn't make sense to me, it just doesn't. It's Snyder's team and he's meddled in the Fantasy Football Redskins since he bought the team.

They will always be bad while Snyder owns the team. What a joke.

- Ray

PS - Snyder has no balls, you should offer do a charity boxing Match with him or Karl Swanson for a plasma TV. ;)

Posted by: Ray | November 22, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

NFW: "Nothing anyone can send me or say to me at this point will restore my interest in the skins. Perhaps I am weak in that regard, but I simply can not root or support a team owned by..."

Yikes, that's too bad. While I simply don't share your convictions, I can't disagree with you taking a stand.

Listen, front office, listen; this is what's happening. See? All that goodwill of the fans you created by bringing back Gibbs is slowly evaporating. It's time to rebuild.

Posted by: BMore Pete | November 22, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Snyder,

Thank you for the plasma TV.

-L

Posted by: Laverneous Coles | November 22, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder,

Thank you for not signing me so I can get a better deal at Pittsburg.

-Ryan

Posted by: Ryan Clark | November 22, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder,

Thank you for dragging my name through the mud and letting me go. I'm glad I'm won't be the skategoat this time.

-#56

Posted by: Lavar Arrington | November 22, 2006 3:12 PM | Report abuse

As far as reporting the stories goes, the Skins organization just needs to develop a thicker skin.

From the original blog entry I didn't get the impression that Snyder was heavily involved in player negotiations. My impression was simply that he made a serious judgment error as far as Clark's abilities go. His organization low-balled a pretty good safety, and brought in an overpriced guy who doesn't fit their defensive system. Oops.

Finally, the Washington Post is serving the interests of its readership and its own interest by publishing these stories. If the Post was viewed as simply an extension of the Redskins PR department, it would damage the paper's credibility.

Posted by: VA | November 22, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd say KO for JLaC in the 1st round

Posted by: Michael Buffer | November 22, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

hey guys, just to follow up on what Cindy said, this is not a war and has nothing to do with who I work for. I cover this team with the same standards and ethic I did when covering the Caps, Red Wings, Orioles, college sports, whatever.

The Redskins seemed quite intent on making it clear exactly what role Dan had in this instance, so I did so. They thought the
"context" of the first email was off, so I made sure to put as much detial into this one, providing as much "context" as possible.

(Oh, and Roy, the story you heard on AP is almost identical to the stuff he told me about a year ago the last time I had an indepth conversation with him on the phone.)

Again, and for the last time, I don't think Dan was meddling or doing anything out of the norm in this cae. He has ever right to speak to an agent through the course of negotiating to make a point or whatever. It's his team and his money for crying out loud. Other owners would do the same thing.

And this isn't about feeling sorry for me, as much as I appreciate the sentiment. The guy to feel sorry for, if anyone, is Joel Turner, a hard-working dude who got dragged into this through no doing of his own.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 22, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Snyder,

Grab a mirror and repeat after me....

"Because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me"

Posted by: Stuart Smalley | November 22, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Swanson,

As has been said by others on this blog in response to Jason's recap of the last 24 hours, people do not consider conversations between the owner and an agent to be meddling. We consider meddling to be involvement in decisions that determine draft strategy and talent evaluation (and obviously anything involving on-field strategy). Mr. Snyder is probably the most shrewd negotiator within the Redskins organization, so there is nothing wrong with him being involved in actual negotiations so long as he is not involved in deciding which players to pursue.

Your claim that he does not "meddle" would be more believable if you and he did not waste time and energy addressing a blog entry that (in your opinion) suggested that Mr. Snyder is a meddler. The time has officially come to GROW UP! You and Mr. Snyder have been in the spotlight that comes with the owner's suite in the NFL for too long at this point to respond to the media in this way. Your sensitivity to fan perceptions is cause for concern. GET BACK TO WORK!

Posted by: Free Sean Taylor | November 22, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I love this forum!!! Man, if we had half this intelligence at "the park" we wouldn't be half bad!

Also, LOVED the "raiders east" comment... CLASSIC!!!

"I am sickened, absolutely ill after reading those two links to the SMSnyder story about killing all those trees.

I am not a tree hugger. I drive an SUV, and served my country in Iraq. This is not a resume speech, just setting the table.

The bottom line is any attempt to say that the trees which were cut down were not indigenous, or diseased, or whatever, is just a sad slant on the truth: Danny Partidge didn't want the trees there, so he had them cut down.

1) they were cut down in the middle of the night
2) he had "ties" with the senior level of the authorities who had jurisdiction (as stated in the article)
3) the most compelling: why would it only be this ONE SWATH of trees which needed to be culled from the forrest? So I guess the trees on either side of Dannyboy's swath are perfectly fine, and somehow the ones needing replaced perfectly matched the sight lines from SMS boy's balcony?

Give me a break. Nothing anyone can send me or say to me at this point will restore my interest in the skins. Perhaps I am weak in that regard, but I simply can not root or support a team owned by an immature, arrogant little boy who never competed in athletics, but because of his Napolenoic tendencies has never been told "no."

Best of luck to all of you."

Posted by: Fan of NFW! | November 22, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Amid all this sturm und drang, I think we'll all feel a teensy weensy bit better if the Skins don't look like crap on Sunday vs a reasonably good Panteras team. Like, say the D holds on just one critical series; Soupy makes some progress and stays turnover-free; Duckett finally gets to be the featured back; that sort of thing.

I'm not talking about a win, which I hate to say seems unlikely. I'm talking about not being embarassed in our building.

And I don't mean that with a solid effort all the bad things would go away, and we could pull on our burgundy ribbon-of-hope blindfolds and matching gold noise-cancelling earmuffs for a week, I just mean we could momentarily enjoy watching our beloved team play. Good grief, it's come to that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 22, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me"

Stuart Smalley that made my day. That was funny as hell on SNL. Ain't that special.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 22, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS THE BEST ONE YET!!!! HILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAREEEEEOUS

"

Dear Mr. Snyder,

Grab a mirror and repeat after me....

"Because you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me"

Posted by: Stuart Smalley | November 22, 2006 03:16 PM "

Posted by: FAN OF SMALLEY | November 22, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"SERENITY NOW!!"

Posted by: Frank Costanza | November 22, 2006 3:21 PM | Report abuse

To the Redskins Organization:

Not to beat a dead horse, BUT..........

1) Don't toss overboard guys who have proven themselves for YOU only to pay more to bring in someone else who's done nothing for you. Who then underperform. Can you name someone who has done more after coming here than before he came here?

2) Value the draft. There is NO quick fix in the NFL. And especially for our organization now. It is going to be bad for a long while, I'm afraid. Your free agent buy up has not worked.

3) You are giving up WAY too much in trades and in the free agent market. Brunell WOULD HAVE COME HERE ANYWAY, after he was cut by the Jags. And you wouldn't have had to give up a draft pick and pay him twice market value. CP for Champ. I seriously thought WE were getting the extra pick when I first heard it. Giving Denver a third and possible swap in the first for Duckett is CRAZY. Signing BLloyd to a monster contract AND giving up TWO draft picks is NUTS! I love Campbell so far but did you need to give up THREE draft picks to get him? What about Rocky? How many picks you give up for him? DO YOU SEE A PATTERN HERE? IT'S NOT WORKING!

4) Get a GM. What we're doing now is not working. Spend some time observing the steady programs and learn from them.

5) Dead cap spending. Holy cow. How much have we spent in the past 6 or 7 years on dead cap money, people who aren't playing for the Skins anymore. My guess is the number is higher here than anywhere else in the league. And it looks like the number is going to climb higher with the total failure of Archuletta.

6) Eval the coaches. GWilliams seems to put his ego and "point making" ahead of team stuff. Maybe I'm wrong. But look at Lavar last year who he got into a pissing contest with. Lavar started playing and the defense started getting turnovers. Not that Lavar was the whole answer, but... Seems to be happening with Rocky this year.

There's more but this would be a nice start.

Posted by: 'Canes Fan (not Miami) | November 22, 2006 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Joel got pretty screwed. Hope his house hasn't blown away.

Right max?

Posted by: O in E | November 22, 2006 3:24 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

Thanks for the clarification. But again, this goes back to the focus of this organization! Where is their passion directed? What does a gripe like this tell me about the team I love? I'm just tired of narcisstic power trips guiding these teams into the gutters, and then worrying about their hair on the way. Angelos first, now this. I'm bitter. Go terps.

GO DJ! THAT'S MY DJ!

GO DJ! THAT'S MY DJ!!

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 22, 2006 3:25 PM | Report abuse

NOW THAT WE KNOW YOU ARE READING........GET A F'N GM WHO KNOWS HOW TO EVALUATE TALENT.

Posted by: Bangbros | November 22, 2006 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Odie in Ecuador, you are the man! Congrats.

Posted by: Max | November 22, 2006 3:28 PM | Report abuse

A marching band is an essential component of any good wedding. Isn't that right Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: Max | November 22, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"Man, if we had half this intelligence at "the park" we wouldn't be half bad!"

Oh man, if all of us idiots were at The Park we'd be half drunk, singing Iron Maiden tunes and smacking each other in the back of the head. Trust me, it wouldn't be pretty.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

PG -- "As I've grown up (I'm now 7 2/3)"

Now I know why you and I get along so well.

This is amazing and kind of surreal. I couldn't believe the post from Jason stirred this kind of a response. I always thought someone from the Skins Empire would be watching, this just confirms it.

This team is worried about the image of the owner and disputes the tone and intent of something written about them by a local professional journalist? Come on! Who do they think we are going to believe? If the Skins want to change the opinions and minds of the fans then DO SOMETHING!

God forbid someone writes that the food sucked at TomKat's wedding or that Six Flags charges too much for admission.

I wish this team's ownership and decision makers would pay this much attention to the way the team is run. Boo hiss!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 22, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

This is exactly why you should have had Czaban's back, and not piled on while he was under attack. If you are going to validate the position of information control, expect it to be used against you as well. When you or the Redskins or anyone else tries to decide what questions are fair or appropriate, you give more life to the idea that some questions are valid and others are not--a purely subjective endeavor.

M

Posted by: M | November 22, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Key component indeed.

Posted by: O in E | November 22, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Czaban had the right to ask whatever question he wanted. But, he sure looked stupid to me while asking that question, and he sure will make me turn him off whenever he comes on in the future. stupid question, and not on par at all with what happened here. JLC shouldn't have sided with stupid Czabe.

Posted by: Anti-Czaban | November 22, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Violating a blaw by bringing up C to the zabble, y'all.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 22, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, I just impersonated a Blaw Enforcement Agent....ahhhh!

Washing hands, washing hands....

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 22, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok I've been watching the skins since I came into this world and I'm going to continue to do as such. I like Danny for opening his wallet but what he needs to do is give the wallet to someone else. Joe Gibbs can not pick players. He can give his input but not have the final say. Gregg Williams can not pick players, again input can be given. Danny and Vinny can not pick players. My point is stop with the current status of a team gm and get a GM. Then Danny and his staff can concentrate on the blogs or the media and marketing concerns. But please MR DANNY, I LOVE YOU, GET A GM!!!! The average fan could tell you that adam archa (let the receiver go) letta can not cover. Andre is too small, third down rusher at best. Don't overspend for outside talent and under spend for home grown talent. Then admit you were wrong and scrap the old plan of building thru free agency and build thru the draft. JUST ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, WELL NO JUST CHANGE... God bless the skins they are killing me right now.

Posted by: Sean (still a skins fan) die'n slowly | November 22, 2006 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, in addition to having an incompetent "GM" we now have proof that Snyder also has an incompetent PR guy. Hello: first rule of PR is that you don't make a minor issue into a major one. What an idiot (sad thing is he probably makes a ton of money).

BTW-to those deluded enought to think that Snyder actually reads this stuff, Get a life! I have no doubt that Snyder personally reads none of this, and I'm also pretty sure that his PR man only read Jason's article and not the 200+ comments from random skins fans.

Posted by: jakeweed | November 22, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

jakeweed,

don't you think we know this. It's called a joke.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 22, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Holy Sh-t! Are you frickin' kidding me?? This whole organization needs to be blown up!

Read this Danny:

HIRE A REAL GM! HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE AREAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE AREAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIRE A REAL GM. HIREA A REAL GM!!

FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY. FIRE VINNY!!!!!

SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM. SELL THE TEAM!!!!

Posted by: 229 | November 22, 2006 4:02 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby: yeah, I'm sure most of the fans posting here realize that, but it still cracks me up to read some posts that act as if someone other than us knucklheads are actually reading this.

Posted by: jakeweed | November 22, 2006 4:03 PM | Report abuse

My point is that the Redskins didn't like the Czaban question and so pressured his company into suspending him, not that the question was poorly thought out or executed. Did the Redskins pay a price for trying to control the media in that instance? No, because the print media deems Czaban as a bottom-dweller. Stand up for the principle if not the person, because as you can see, you get what you pay for.

Oh yeah, and Blaws be Damned.

Out.

Posted by: M | November 22, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse

jake

I hear ya... and I didn't mean that to sound harsh... wasn't my intention.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 22, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Damn this Czaban stuff ...

Okay, I said the guy asked a stupid question in a way that would never elicit any real information or a real reponse in that forum. I said thee are a lot of ways to get at that issue - which we did at my little newspaper - that don't involve asking a guy to go to his boss a quit - again, an idiotic premise.

I never called for him to lose his job or whatefver and that's not the point. That's between Comcast and him. For the Redskins to get involved in the fiasco - and I have no idea if they did and again could care less - would be pretty telling if true, but again, not my deal. I can tell you this, my paper has my back, and I would hoe that if Czaban is doing the job he is paid to do Comcast would, too,

But to compare ranting on a post-game show to coverage of team on a daily basis for a major metro newspaper is ridiculous if you ask me (and I guess you did since this my blog and all).

The guy has the right to ask whatever he wants and I am all about freedom of speech. That the Redskins want to censure the message is a given by this point.

But that's got nothing to do with me. I have no reason to "support" Czabe. Comcast is a financial partner with the Redskins - they are in bed togethewr and pay to air their games and have contracts with Redskins coaches to come on their shows - so if they backed down to the Skins that shows where Czaban stands on the overall food chain over there.

My paper is not conflicted in any such way the Redskins. Trust me.

This is apple and oranges my friend and, I swear this is the last time I am going to talk about this clown.

A BLAW is a BLAW.

Posted by: Jason La canfora | November 22, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Man, if we had half this intelligence at "the park" we wouldn't be half bad!"

Oh man, if all of us idiots were at The Park we'd be half drunk, singing Iron Maiden tunes and smacking each other in the back of the head. Trust me, it wouldn't be pretty.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 03:31 PM

Dude, but wouldn't that rock. That's football, people.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 22, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how things happened? The end result does not change.

J-La,
I don't know that we really care how things happen, and how "involved" Dan Snyder is in negotiations. It does not change the facts that Ryan Clark was asking for a reasonable contract, but that once they felt they had their eye on Archubingus, they were thinking of Clark as a backup and only offered backup money.

The rest, as they say, is history.

I suppose you and I are still waiting for our big screen plasma TV from Mr. Snyder ;-)

Posted by: Daddy-O | November 22, 2006 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Okay I have to say the best part of the tree article was
"She had asked him to represent the Park Service on an earlier, separate request from Snyder in 2001 to build a ballroom on the estate he bought..."

A ballroom? Hee hee hee. Maybe if we all say nice things about the Danny he'll invite us to the winter ball!

I'm I can find a hideous lace chiffon nightmare from a 1985 prom. Hopefully one that is burgundy and gold.

Who wants to be my escort and buy me a corsage?

Posted by: sfskin | November 22, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay I have to say the best part of the tree article was
"She had asked him to represent the Park Service on an earlier, separate request from Snyder in 2001 to build a ballroom on the estate he bought..."

A ballroom? Hee hee hee. Maybe if we all say nice things about the Danny he'll invite us to the winter ball!

I'm I can find a hideous lace chiffon nightmare from a 1985 prom. Hopefully one that is burgundy and gold.

Who wants to be my escort and buy me a corsage? We could a limo and then have the afterparty kegger at BK. Ahhh those were the days. . .

Posted by: sfskin | November 22, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Great reporting JLC. Their pettiness knows no bounds.
Note to Skins front office: No one will give a rat's a$$ what level of involvement Mr. Snyder has in contract negotiations if the skins WIN!!! Yearly ineptitude on and off the field will draw the fans ire however. We know you want to win, just put egos aside and model what SUCCESSFUL franchises do (ie., New England, Indy) and hire a GM and give him autonomy over player personnel. If you can be the richest franchise in the NFL with only one playoff win imagine what would happen if you were good perennially.

One potential bright note: All really good teams start with a good to great QB (2000 Ravens an exception) Below is a brief look at the starting QBs in the NFC.

Dal - Romo - unproven over long haul but looks good (it pains me to say it)
NYG - E. Manning - has potential but looks real shaky now
Philly - McNabb - great but out for year and gets hurt every year

CHI - Grossman - erratic, great to godawful
MIN - Johnson - just about done
GB - Favre - same as Johnson
DET - Kitna - mediocre at best

CAR - Delhomme - good but struggling this year
TB - Simms/Gradkowski - erratic poor to good/rookie
ATL - Vick - same as Grossman
NO - Brees - very good

SEA - Hassleback - good to very good
STL - Bulger - mediocre to good
SF - Smith - mediocre but improving
ARZ - Leinhart - rookie with potential

The NFC is definitely QB poor to mediocre. With a quality QB to build around the skins could be right in the thick of things again fairly quickly in the coming seasons. Now it's way to early to know whether Jason Campbell is the answer or not, but d#mn he looks like he's got potential. Allow him to develop and fix that sorry defense and this years down cycle could be real short.

Posted by: skinswest | November 22, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to change topics for a moment if anyone wants to come along.

If St. Joe hangs up at the end of the season are we stuck with GWilligan? Are we in bed with Saunders?

I'm absolutely on the bandwagon of maintaining consistency in the staff but as I've sat here and thought about it I'm throwing up in my mouth a litte bit at the prospect of either of those two.

Insights? Thoughts?

Posted by: sfskin | November 22, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think we'd all be a lot better off if the people in Ashburn were more concerned with how the team looked rather than how they individually looked.

Fix the team, don't waste our time with marketing tricks like controlling the message. If the team plays like the Skins of old, nobody will care who negotiates with who.

Danny, get this....the owner always looks good when the team looks good. The owner always looks bad when the team looks bad. Live with it, there's nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: Mike | November 22, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Ballroom... SWEET. Come on, Dan, sign up to be the next NFL name on Dancing with the Stars. Snyder doing the cha-cha. Oh, please let this come true.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Maybe El Danno needs to spend more time analyzing the Archuletta deal and less on the Clark deal.

Makes me wonder who really was screwed?

Posted by: Shamed Tix Holder | November 22, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I don't think Gibbs is going anywhere. But, just to play along, I think if he waw to quit at the end of 2006 it would be Saunders. I think Grill has probably burned a lot of bridges.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 22, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

skinsweet RAMSEY looked like he had potential! the cycle will be real loooooooong.

Posted by: gay redskin blog | November 22, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The earliest football memory I have is of Mike Bass returning Garo Yepremian's "pass" for a TD in the Super Bowl. I remember exactly where I was when that happened, and have been a Redskins fan since I knew what football was.

No more. I'm done believing the lie and wasting my time with this bunch of chronic losers.

Eff this stinking team, its stinking ownership, its sorry coaches and its fat, overpaid players. That anyone in the organization can find time to be concerned with this blog in the face of ten years of abyssmal on-field performance has made me realize something: As long as Snyder owns this team, it'll never be a winner.

Pathetic.

Posted by: Epstein'sMother'sDoctor | November 22, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

JLC, I have to thank you and the Post for this blog. It's great to have a place where there is an intelligent conversation about our dismal football team. Unfortunately, it seems that there are no intelligent conversations going on in Ashburn, and the priorities continue to be seriously out of whack over there.

This blog really is a breath of fresh air compared to other media concerning the skins.

one can only hope that since the powers that be are actually paying attention to it, they might actually learn something. If the ship isn't righted soon, then they will be in trouble. The waiting list for season tix continues to dwindle, and at this rate, it won't be long before there are more tickets than fans willing to go see the steaming pile of poo that they put on the field.

Posted by: RedEd | November 22, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising. Dan Snyder has proved himself to be a first rate arrogant BOZO who wants to make money and then make more money. The fact that they seem worried about your blog moreso than being a first rate football organization, is alarming.

Thanks Dan Snyder - you have made the Washington Redskins the mockery of professional sports!

Posted by: Los Angeles | November 22, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Hmm,

Danny and the Skins should be happy about that article. At least we now know that they were interested in keeping Ryan Clark. I thought they were trying to punish him for his interview on Fox last year championing LaVar's return to the line up.

Is it me or are other people realizing that some real "cruddy" things are happening under Snyder/Gibbs. The way Ramsey was lied to last year, just to keep him here long enough so that he would not demand a trade in the off season and the Skins would not have to start the season with an untested Jason Campbell at back up, Gibbs knowing all along that he intended to put Brunell back into the line up hell or high water.

Having us believe that Lavar Arrington, a Pro Bowler under 3 different coaches was to "dumb" to understand G-Williams Defensive scheme and that Warrick Holdman was better!!

And all the cover up for consistenly poor performances by Brunell. They "boast" to us about 22 completions in a row when 18 were barely beyond the line of scrimmage!#@$

As a true fan, I can take loosing, but I can't take all the lying and deception coming out of the park over the last 2 seasons. If this continues, I hope coach Gibbs retires. Do we need our most precious memories of him tarnished like this??

Now that Jason is at QB, thank goodness for that, we can turn our attention to the Defense under guru Greg the Great. Is it clear to the folks at the "Park" that without play makers, Greg the Great's Defense stinks!!

Did the folks at the "Park" really believe that they could let go Smoot, Arrington, Harris, Clark, and Pierce and that the defense would still be good because of Greg the Great's defensive schemes?

Posted by: bjbmusa | November 22, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Please, everything I do is so that we can field a quality team. Please have patience. I expect us to be in the playoffs by 2012.
Dan Snyder

Posted by: Dan Snyder | November 22, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, I hadn't visited here before and am blown away by all the ... commentary. Here's my 2 cents. I waited 25 years on the season ticket waiting list; finally got them when awful FedEx was built. And my reward for patience? Horrible football. And then this week I get an email and phone call from the Skins. "Here's a great chance to move up to the lower bowl, just buy club seats for two years." Lordy, lordy, if they had a product worth paying for, maybe MAYBE this would be a reasonable proposition. But they have schlock. Nothing but schlock to offer. Maybe it's all a joke and I don't understand D. Snyder's sense of humor.

Posted by: Season Tickets? | November 22, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse

NFW,

I heard about the Snyder story you mentioned on the radio - they said it was definitely NOT true.

Posted by: Lisa | November 22, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Episodes like this are the exact reason why Redskin fans should boycott the games and leave the team behind. Go out and root for the Wizards, the Capitals and the Nationals.

Let Snyder and the boys stew in the mess they created, they've taken their fans for granted and they don't deserve the loyal support this town has given them over the years.

So to Hell with them. I'll take a losing baseball team, schizophrenic basketball team, and a struggling hockey team over these Redskins any day.

Posted by: Rob | November 22, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

God bless all of you. This has been fun reading. Our beloved 'Skins organization has been mismanaged by an impatient but mostly well meaning owner. He does seem to have a bit of a malicious side to him. I don't know if it was a discussion with Peter King or Dr Z, but he was snippy with one or not both. Bottom line, the organization is not the same proud team it once was when Jack Kent Cooke was the owner. Snyder needs to put his ego aside and start a real plan, not a misguided fantasy adventure.

Posted by: disgruntled in Richmond | November 22, 2006 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Your claim that he does not "meddle" would be more believable if you and he did not waste time and energy addressing a blog entry

Yup. That's exactly the problem with them.

When you (the FO) aggressively attack an argument like that, you give it validity. If it wasn't true, why would you worry so much about?

Posted by: Megskin | November 22, 2006 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Don,t like "the danny" spoiled, childish...been a skins fan all my life.
Heres where i'm at.....before the 2nd quarter against the Eagles....i switched to the MD Womens Basketball game. I am indeed a big Terps fan but i have NEVER turned off a Skins game EVER ! Have not watched them since....dont plan to. I love watching the college kids play...maybe our overpaid players on the Skins could learn a lesson from the kids...PLAY HARD ! PLAY SMART ! The Redskins have become the laughing stock of the NFL. Way ta go Danny

Posted by: Nicebuz | November 22, 2006 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Things I love re Redskins: 1972, sonny, billy, larry brown, hanburger, coach allen, riggo, hogs, 3super bowl wins, beating Dallas, fun bunch, clark, don warren, rypien, mosely, theismann, williams, byner, dexter, mann, butz, monk, green, monte, jansen, portis, campbell, washington, springs.
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things i don't love: losing to Dallas, Philly or the Giants. Losing to Oakland in the super bowl. Most of the draft picks since 1991 especially desmond and shuler. Losing the few picks I liked to free agency especially pierce, smoot, clark. Losing Trent Green, Brad Johnson. Giving contracts to Stubblefield, Wilkerson, Neon Deon, Bruce Smith, Carrier, Jeff George, etc etc. Coach Spurrier, Vinny Cerrato, Pepper whoever.
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Thanks that feels better

Posted by: crazy 4 skins | November 22, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Deliver us from Karl Swanson. He's a spin guy. Waste of time.

Posted by: Sec418 | November 22, 2006 7:06 PM | Report abuse

It is good to see that Mr. Snyder has confirmed the Redskins MO. Penny wise and pound foolish. Wouldn't it be great if at every Redskin game the fans would chant "Snyder out" while the offense was on the field. I love the Skins, but I am starting to loathe the ownership.

Posted by: George Templeton | November 22, 2006 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the fans are the only thing about this team that has stayed the same over the years. We are loyal to the skins and support them no matter what. I know some of you feel that it's time to cut ties to the skins, but I for one can never give up on them. I'll go to the grave hoping for another superbowl, but I'll never stop supporting them. On the other hand, as loyal fans, I feel we have every right to verbally expose all of the problems with this franchise, and I think we should continue to do so until things change. Bringing in Gibbs was a step in the right direction. Now it's time to create an organization with some checks and balances. Then we can work on getting some more draft picks and developing young players.

Posted by: Max | November 22, 2006 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder Indians are no greater than its Chief. First he need to apologize to John Cooke, son of the late Jack Kent Cooke, and then humble himself and then maybe the bleeding will stop from allowing true leaders that used to be Redskins leave and flourish on other teams.

Posted by: Steve Clark | November 22, 2006 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line. Is always always about the money. When my tickets went up $30 a game per ticket,I was ready to turn them in. But the look in my 15 year old sons face made me re-up.

Posted by: Mark | November 22, 2006 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Danny needs a new PR guy. Swanson is horrible... when Jason let us know that Snyder called to congratulate Clark after he got signed with the Steelers... Karl that is good PR, fool! Your heckling just ruined it.

Posted by: Mike D | November 22, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

JLac's blog best thing in 'skins reporting since the bandwagon. Way to go.

Posted by: singapore | November 22, 2006 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Once again I have to agree with the overwhelming sense of disaster surrounding the current skins ownership and management. I thought that when Joe Gibbs was rehired Snyder was taking a step in the right direction - WRONG! I don't know what went wrong with Joe but if he is really making these silly personnel decisions then maybe things have really passed him by. I actually felt better about Marty at the end of his only season then I feel about Joe now. Snyder could not live with the authority he gave Marty and that resulted in Spurrier!!! I think we would have been better off keeping Marty then but Snyder would never let him keep the reins.

Letting good players go and replacing them with overpriced poorly performing free agents is a disaster. Not one of the free agents signed this year is performing up to their salaries.

My biggest dissapointment is the defense. The coaching is obviously lacking something. Our linebackers (who Lindsey obviously gets along with, unlike Arrington) are the worst in the league. Perhaps it is time for a change of linebacker coaches because Lindsey obviously only gets along with poorly performing losers. On most running plays they are never in sight until the play is over (six or seven yards down field) and on passing plays they disappear. Where in the h*** do they go - to the bench for gatorade?

The defensive backs; with the exception of Springs are pathetic. Springs has not been right physically this year, yet is still the best we have. They have not been able to cover anyone; and as I said in my last post, Rodgers has completely lost his confidence and now makes no effort to either tackle or cover. Taylor could be good if he ever gets his emotions under control and loses his thug mentality but he is not an adequate cover safety yet. We have no free safety worthy of the name.

Our defensive line is neither quick nor big. We need to decide which we need to fit the scheme and start drafting them. Right now we have no linemen capable of stopping the run or rushing the pass. We are small and slow. Carter is not making it as a defensive end - SF was switching him to linebacker for a reason and our management was too dumb to realize it when we overpaid to sign him. He might be a better outside backer then Holdman but that is project that there is no time for right now.

Williams is no dummy. He must know that he he is royally scr**ed personnel wise at the moment. Perhaps he should start playing some of the second stringers to see if they would at least make a better effort than some of the overpaid underachievers he has playing now.

Watching the last game was sickening. Tampa rushes three on one side and gets two through to the passer. We rush eight and can't get anyone through the line at all. That is a lack of effort and desire on the part of our players.

Perhaps there is some hope for the offense - we need better Otackles. I can't believe that Bugel can't get these guys on the same page with their pass blocking. Samuels always got too many procedure penalties and now Jansen is showing wear. Again, we are small and slow and need to either get bigger or faster.. It's really hard to watch players who we let go performing well for other teams while we keep hiring other teams rejects and going downhill talent wise.

The team is obviously just playing out the season. If there is no housecleaning at the end of the year I will probably switch my attention to the Carolina Panthers, who at least make an effort every week and play decent defense.

Posted by: OLDSKINSFAN | November 22, 2006 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Is Swanson even the PR dude for the team? I thought Gibbs hired an old guy at the beginning of the season to handle those duties? I guess Swanson is now Danny's personal hatchet man.

Posted by: TB | November 22, 2006 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"At this point" Martyball is looking pretty good? I thought Martyball was looking pretty good when he was HERE..... This team is still paying for the fact that an owner with NO VISION FOR HIS TEAM hired a guy to run the whole show (apparently for no other reason than, he had heard that he was good), then a year later, fires him and hires his polar opposite in Steve Spurrier. Two years of Spurrier and yet another pole shift to Gibbs. This team needs a consistent vision and personnel that fit that vision-- not just a bunch of famous guys. Has no one noticed that most of the successful teams -- the old Skins, 49ers, and Cowboys, the current Patriots, Bears, Colts and Steelers -- keep the same team philosophy year after year? They don't just go out and hire a bunch of famous players and coaches every year and expect them to mesh. I can't think of a single successful NFL team (or a company for that matter) that was built that way. For a guy with supposed business sense, Danny does not know much about business.

Posted by: Kelly | November 22, 2006 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskin fan all my life.I am not sure how much more of this ownership I can take. My dad played for the team and even he has become a (if you can believe it) a Ravens fan. Get a GM, you get lost and we will win again.

Off record, many players will tell you losing Ryan Clark was huge. I seriously doubt that Joe Gibbs is involved in personnel decisions. I say he leaves this sinking ship at the end of this season.

I feel bad for Joe Gibbs. We may never know what is really going on as Gibbs will never say...Too much class.

Posted by: Sandor | November 22, 2006 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
The fans are behind you 100%. If not for you and Howard, we probably wouldn't know a single true fact about the inner workings of this team.

Posted by: Dylan | November 22, 2006 10:10 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

You are the man! Keep on with the great reporting and the great insight. You know it's really getting ready to blow over there, with Carlo's comments, Gibbs FINALLY calling out the players and play callers). In what country does this little dweeb live? This would be great comedy if it weren't so sad. Screw Danny $nyder and every lackey out at Cashburn that supports him in anyway. Washington will never--let me say that louder--NEVER be a winner with him in charge. 3-7 and they are concerned with a blog (which, isn't even an article in the paper). Until the fans revolt, nothing will change. The uproar from the fans got JC in the game (along with the opportunity to sell more jerseys). A chant is needed of "Snyder Sucks!" to make it known how the fans feel. Regardless, the Washington Post has stood up to the President of the United States, so why should they buckle at the comments of a freakin' football team? "SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!
SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!! SNYDER SUCKS!!!"

SNYDER SUCKS!!!

Posted by: Green Baby G. | November 22, 2006 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This is not surprising at all. I find it insulting that the Redskins expect their fans to buy their company line at all times when it is clear that they live in some sort of alternative universe.

I no longer visit redskins.com because I feel like I'm being fed a series of puff pieces and lies about a team that we must face is 3-7, heading in the wrong direction, and sullying the reputation of my boyhood hero.

I come to this blog to read actual writing about my favorite team and am constantly inspired by Jason's honest, inside opinions about the team. We as fans can do little to move this team forward, but it is the power of those voices that will not be quieted, like Jason's, that give me hope that someday in the future we can watch this Redskins team with hope and pride. Sadly, I fear that day is far, far away.

Posted by: Skins23 | November 22, 2006 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"Winning is the best deoderant" - John Madden.

The Danny is worried about his image. The team is 3-7. At what point do we all say Ugggh on the whole skins Losapolooza affair? They don't play the players they draft, they trade away loads of draft choices, they charge for training camp, install seats with no view, jack up parking, and deliver how many HOME Play-Off games since 1992 (One).

The team is an utter loser with a reputation for jacking up expectations and never delivering. They consistently rank in the top teams penalized by the NFL (no discipline and poor image). NONE of the players on the current team ranks number one in any positional category. Period. Team categories put them lower half of the NFL, after putting the word SuperBowl out there during the pre-season.

This could be one of the worst organizations in all of pro-sports.

Posted by: Harbinger | November 22, 2006 10:40 PM | Report abuse

This could be one of the worst organizations in all of pro-sports.

Let's change that could to 'is'.

"Winning is the best deoderant" - John Madden

To steal another phrase: "Just win baby!"

Posted by: Megskin | November 23, 2006 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone attacking Snyder personally? WTF????!!!!!!!!

No, you shouldn't feel sorry for that rich bastard but all this name calling shti. c'mon people. aren't you suppose to be the "smart" ones of the bunch? you know, better than the people who call-in radio talk shows. PUH-LEASE!!!!!!!! if that's not being racist/classist... yeah, if i can tell black from white from brown from yellow from voice i'm pretty sure the rest of the world can too.

In my eyes his only sin is being young and wants to meddle with this team. IF YOU HAD THE MONEY YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING!!!! you wouldn't??????? because, you're smarter than he is? HOW SO?????

if you don't like the way your team is being run then HURT HIM only where he feels the pain and that is by not supporting this team.

the cries should be to fire your savior JOE GIBBS, who came back and set this team back 5 years in just 2 years. do you know how much money he's fleecing snyder for? at the very least $10 mil a year.

and of course we're not counting the millions of dollars he's making off of this venture when it comes to Fedex and other corporate sponsors for his nascar business. so please don't forget to include joe in your hate posts. he's more guilty than snyder.

snyder's problem is that he is a fan of this team. he has an emotional attachment to this team when not many nfl owners do with theirs. and neither was JKC. he didn't give a crap about joe wanting to "shop for his groceries". and i can't believe people think that joe's not in complete control of this org. THE ONLY decision that he probly didn't make was going to JC. And for that please don't forget to thank Snyder.

once again happy thanksgiving. i'll be rooting for the bucs.

Posted by: dealer | November 23, 2006 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Prepare for some melting ice cream on top of a plasma screen to be delivered at your door. You're raised the ire of one interesting owner.

Seriously, this blog [on accuracy] has done quite a bit more damage to the image of Snyder and the Redskins than the first could ever have done... I won't say the calls you've gotten are out of character, but they show a new level of that character that we haven't seen since, well, the stories about deliveries of melting ice cream and plasma screens.

This stuff just ain't what classy organizations are wont (sorry, pet peeve) to do.

But Jason, how does this screw up your ability to cover the Skins in the future? Are you becoming more and more an outsider? When you use Coles, Arrington, Pierce, and Clark's agent as your sources, well, I appreciate the angle, but I've got to think it's getting harder to cover those that do maintain a good relationship with the non-Gibbs parts of the organization.

Speaking of Gibbs organizations, I sent in for what JoeGibbsOnline.com calls a "Gibbs Bible." Luckily there's no picture of Coach on the cover, but its billing on the site still seems right sacrilegious. I emailed the site's "chaplain" about my concern -- making it sound like God's Bible is Gibbs': no response at all.

I know, I know, religious zealotry on my part, but it seems another sign that the Gibbs influence doesn't always make it to every cranny of his [delegatory] organizations. Perhaps I'm just another "Praise Gibbs"-er, but I can't think he approves of what's going on with your blog (nor, I hope, with Gibbs branded Words of God). Does Jerry Jones pull stuff like this?

Posted by: worstSeat | November 23, 2006 2:28 AM | Report abuse

ummmmmmmm just wanted to take back what i said when i said

"...aren't you suppose to be the "smart" ones of the bunch? you know, better than the people who call-in radio talk shows. PUH-LEASE!!!!!!!! if that's not being racist/classist... yeah, if i can tell black from white from brown from yellow from voice i'm pretty sure the rest of the world can too..."

let's just say 10:00 PM EST is my bed time...and i was way way past it...

Posted by: dealer | November 23, 2006 9:03 AM | Report abuse

dealer, some of us have been Redskins fans for many, many years. we have a lot invested in the Redskins. i don't think people should just walk away from the team they've grown up loving just because they are unhappy with the way it's being managed. they should support better team management!

As much as Gibbs deserves blame for the state of the Redskins right now, how can Snyder NOT deserve criticism as well? The great wealth of Snyder is no excuse! Either the Redskins have badly mismanaged their team or not.

Sure we can expect any team owner to be hands-on to some degree, and Snyder always will I suppose. But that doesn't change the fact that *other* NFL teams have owners with money yet remain sensibly managed. Imagine that!

Ultimately I think I blame Snyder as much or more as Gibbs here. I guess it might not be that big of deal that he phoned Clark or Clark's agent a handful of times. But the Redskins strategy of aggressive off-season maneuvering came *before* Gibbs was hired. Gibbs only adopted Snyder's way of doing things. Gibbs can be criticized for adopting that program, but that program - which the Redskins adhere to - is Snyder's Frankenstein.

We can only hope that the Redskins organization will eventually see the error of their ways. For the sake of winning.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | November 23, 2006 9:18 AM | Report abuse

The whole thing is just a JOKE. It's all so very clear: We are the laughingstock of the league. A few owners may look at Danny Partridge and say "wow, he is creative...he is a brillany marketer...a money making machine!!!" But, one must ask: What is really important here?

This is football, folks. Sure Baseball is "America's pastime." But FOOTBALL is the most popular sport in our great country, and has been for a few decades. It inspires people, it gives us pleasure, it gives us heroes (totally debatable, sure) to root for. Many of us grew up in the DC area, and watched our beloved skins every Sunday, then went to our own "coliseums" in our backyards and became gladiators in our own mind. Visions of NFL-film-like slow motion reigned in our heads. We faked out imaginary Cowboys, and intercepted Clint Longley's bomb.

The BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: the team is a joke now. It is managed by a buffoon. A snake oil salesman who never had a day in competitive sports in his life. A punk, a locker-room loser who has ruined the dreams of this new generation. Think what you want of JKC, but I will tell you this: he valued a winner above all else. Danny Partridge values a dollar above that.

At this time I am going to cancel my season tickets, parking plan, membership to the club, and even to the skins magazine. The next chump on the waiting list can take their fill. Nothing personal against all of you guys, perhaps you just have more patience for this Napoleon-LRL-SMS-Egomaniac than I do. I'm done. I'm out.

Posted by: NFW | November 23, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

i don't think people should just walk away from the team they've grown up loving just because they are unhappy with the way it's being managed. they should support better team management!

johnnie, neither do i. every losing week for the past i don't know how many years i say "never, never again" but haven't missed a game yet. but what i'm saying is to stop puchasing "skins" related merchandise. and if you're a ticket holder go to the games with wearing a paperbag (at the very least). hey you'll look silly but it'll only show how much you love this team.

anyways i just got my orders for the day: "decorate the house"...

Posted by: dealer | November 23, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Jason:

Thou has felt the wrath of the Snydermen. If you had some trees in your front yard The Danny would be chopping them down right now. It's pretty clear that Snyder has a couple spin doctors in his propaganda department working you over.

What is apparent to me is that Snyder still pulls the strings to a degree, and yet wants to look like it's all someone else's fault. And that someone is Joe Gibbs. I have a hard time believing he had a lot to do with the Ryan Clark move - just as he didn't with losing Antonio Pierce (question: Why is Gibbs always waxing remorseful over these moves, and yet G.Williams isn't?).
Gibbs teams always relied on 'core players' then as much as now and I can't believe - no matter how much he says he loves free agency - that he was doing somersaults at the prospect of losing core guys that loved playing here. And long as The Danny and his Snydermen handle contract negotiations and find ways to pay players more than 3 times over the going rate (hello Adam Archuleta) we will always be hamstrung with zero flexibility in regards to managing our personnel under the cap.

One note: L.Coles was a whiny, selfish, mediocre receiver. Let's count our blessings he's gone. How it happened, I don't care. But he's spent much of this year complaining about Pennington and everything else to do with the Jets even though that team is playing pretty well. Some things never change...

Posted by: Disgusted | November 23, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Redskins fans, please do not compare Daniel Snyder to me, it hurts very much. I managed to conquer much of the known world, and the crown I placed on my head was made of precious metals and rare jewels. The paper crown Snyder has made for himself consists of season ticket renewal charts, FedEx delivery confirmations, and press releases of his most recent free agent signings. I looked quite impressive in my crown; Daniel looks rather silly in his paper headwear behind his oversized rich mohogany desk.

Posted by: Napoleon Bonapart | November 23, 2006 1:17 PM | Report abuse

As I build up my hunger for THE meal I throw in some more cents of my own.

To state the obvious but sometimes I gotta say it out loud for it be real to me - football is a business and the Redskins are a franchise in that business. In the materialistic, no-holds barred, success is defined by money, corporatate rules are life rules, consumer culture we live in the bottom line for Dan Snyder and all the other owners is to make money on their investment.

I don't doubt Snyder is a fan who is very likely thinking of this team as he did when he was 12 years old with dreams of burgundy and gold sugar plum linemen dancing in his head. But when the sun sets in the evening his primary concern is the bottom line.

As Megsking and others have pointed out you'll make more money when you put a winning product on the field but for the entire tenure of Snyder's ownership he has made more money on this franchise every single year despite the absolute isht heap of performances. Why does this happen because people like me and all of us on this blog can't let go no matter how much they break John from Herndon's heart. And that is the ace in the hole for all sports franchises today. They will sucker the fans at every turn from ticket prices to ponying up tax breaks for new stadiums and we buy it because we live and die by our teams.

The players in the era of free agency are in the same mindset. They're laborers looking for the biggest payday they can get. You can't blame them, we'd all do the same thing.

The rub is that we the fans don't get paid but we pay for these guys. We have a personal (at times sick) emotional stake in the team. Our days, our emotional well beings, our moods hinge on how the team performs. When they drag those through the shti with subpar performances they still get paid and the owners still make money but we walk around with emptier wallets and glummer than a turkey on Thanksgiving day.

I have now lost my train of thought as I wax philosophical and get hungrier. . .ah yes all this is to say that I think if the Skins keep laying eggs on the field enough fans will stop showing up and maybe then things will change. In the meantime I hope that guys out there like Gibbs (at least Gibbs 1.0) will demand professionalism and high levels of performances out of their players. What we need to do is start benching and then cutting the guys who don't follow through.
And this is where I think Snyder is the worst. His win now at any cost mentality is great and also killing the franchise as a team. Hire a GM, cut the fat off the team no matter what cap hits we have to take, demand that your mult-millionaire employees show up on their main workday and produce results on a consistent basis and if they don't show them the door. If money is no object then show the players what that means it means you may get a big payday for a year or two but if you don't do your job you're gone, just like any good business. I think most guys in this league have a big enough ego and sense of pride that they'll get it and want to play up.
As for us well we need to keep showing up in forums like this. We need to let the team know that while we live and die by them when they suck we're going to let them know it. No punches pulled guys because the only reason you have a job is that we're here.

Wow I just wrote a blindingly obvious and obscenely long post. That pricey education my parents invested in was totally worth it.

Posted by: sfskin | November 23, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

worst seat - no worries my man. Howard and I have great sources inside and outside of the organization. not everyone who works at Redskins Park loves the guys signing their checks, and some are committed to certain ideals and getting out the truth than others.
We'll be just fine. The truth shall set us free. Ifi I did my job in fear of stuff like that then I wouldn't be doing my job at all.
Cheers.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 23, 2006 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I dont fault Snyder for trying. How many other sports teams are stuck with ownership that won't go after the big name players and won't spend the money on talent? Whatever you think of his methods or decisions I think most people would be equally upset if year after year free agents like Randall El were out there and the Skins made no effort to sign them. The fault to me lies in a half hearted training camp, no reps in the preseason for the starters, a totally new offense that wasn't needed and misplaced loyalty to players who are obviously over the hill, undisciplined or just flat out don't care. The entire team gave the attitude that they would just need to step on the field and take their rightful place in the Super Bowl this year and no one bothered to step up and make it happen. I hope Gibbs stays and goes back to leading and inspiring the way he used to instead of worrying so much about hurting peoples feelings and being loyal to players and coaches who are no longer in their prime. Too much coaching delegation and not enough accountability.

Posted by: flskinsfan | November 24, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate my life.

Posted by: Dan Shanoff | November 27, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Best case scenerio for real Redskins FANS. Snyder, with the assistance of Tom Cruise, moves the Redskins to L.A. to play in the new Scientology Stadium. In 2010, a new ownership group brings football back to Washington. They start a positive winning tradition befitting the Redskins storied franchise in the newly renovated RFK stadium. The fans will be treated to a football fan friendly stadium, the team will have some pride and perform as such, and the fans can get back to only worrying about a QB controversy.

Posted by: Realist | November 27, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC,
You will be fired before the week is out, even if I have to buy the Post. Oh, that's right, I already do! Didn't you learn from what I did to Steve Czaban? I am god, and if you cross me, I will end you career. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!

Posted by: D.Snyder | November 27, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Dan Snyder brought back Joe Gibbs.

He's also slightly inept socially, and extremely wealthy. Jealousy is a bick part of what's going on here. Leave the guy alone.

Posted by: Bobby G | November 27, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

As I read this blog, listen to the local sports talk, review Tom Friend's article ripping the team, and thinking about the future of this franchise and remainder of the season, there is one thing that must happen - CHANGE.

Change must occur at the top - I don't mean Snyder, I mean his right hand - Vinny. I will give Snyder his credit. He's a self made man, a man who owns his childhood team and I truly believe wants nothing more than to see this team succeed. He is everything a fan would want in an owner - WILLING TO SPEND - though his trust has been betrayed - betrayed by Vinny.

Snyder has demonstrated his loyalty by having this guy around way too long and ultimately, his loyalty has betrayed him. If Snyder feels that he must have Vinny in the picture then fine, make him the Executive Vice President of whatever, but bring in a GM who can be Vinny's counterpart, not report to Vinny, not be subject to Vinny's judgement (which is obviously POOR) and be independent of Vinny in all respects. Bring in someone who understands how to evaluate talent, understands how to DRAFT PLAYERS and understands the economics of the salary cap.

Mr. Snyder - please, for your own sake, hire your own internal checks and balance = a GM to run your football team. Have this person report to Joe so he can make the call, but bring in someone who can evaluate talent. We know you are willing to spend - it is quite admirable, but you have a history of throwing good money after bad. As a businessman, I appeal to your senses on this - you obviously understand how to make money, but for the good of your franchise, for the good of your fans, please make the change.

Also - someone needs to reign in Gregg the King Williams from what I read. Granted, there are always 2 sides to every story, but geez, talk about bad press? Something's got to give and Mr. Snyder - you have the power. Money is power. This is your team. You are a fan. Please support us.

Hoping for Change

Posted by: Hoping for Change | November 27, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is *want to do* something. They are WONT to do, not WANT to do.

And you call yourself a journalist.

:-|

Posted by: Sam F. | November 27, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of a couple of movies....

Remember Col. Nathan Jessup??? Or how about Michael Coreleone???? These guys made the order but deny any involvement. Snyder knows everything that is going and I seriously doubt that Schaffer had/has that much power to negoiate like that on his own. So now you have henchmen falling on the knife for him to cover his tracks just like those Marines and Henchmen did for Jessup and Coreleone... They made the order but never got their hands dirty....

Posted by: Troy | November 27, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Note to the Redskins. Who cares about who was involved in Clark's negotiations. The fact of the matter is that you losers signed worthless Adam Archueletta and gave him a $10 million signing bonus and he doesn't even get on the field. Get a GM and stop trading away all of our draft picks on over the hill losers. Draft and develop our talent. Isn't that how the Patriots do it?

Posted by: L.A. | November 27, 2006 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Just give me a GM with a plan for Christmas and I will be happy. Oh, one other thing Santa never let Brunnell get on the field unless its a dire emergency.

Posted by: James | November 27, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

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