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Injuries

It will be up to Santana when he returns to practice, Gibbs said.

Clinton took limited work but is expected to play, Gibbs said.

Lloyd got kicked in the shin and had to miss part of practice, but X-Rays were negative.

Sean Taylor missed part of practice with his bruised knee but he'll play, everyone says.

Fred Smoot came back to practice fully after missing a few weeks with his hamstring injury.

Me, personally, I am day-to-day with undisclosed bumps and bruises.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 3, 2007; 4:30 PM ET
 
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wow - The Receiver's shins sure are fragile.

Posted by: mile high | October 3, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Jeff Gululi(sp) around?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Santana can take all the time he needs because he is PROVEN. Please throw the ball to B Llyod at least once, he did catch that awesome ARE option pass last year. I wish I could remember more but I can't.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | October 3, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

we are finished!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: corey | October 3, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Bugel kicked Lloyd in the Shin?

Posted by: Ryan | October 3, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

From redskins.com.

"Fox said the defensive backs are looking at the pass-happy Lions as an "opportunity."

"You don't want to be back there in open field tackling guys running downhill," Fox said. "You want the ball in the air. You want opportunities to go get it, give the offense the ball back, so we can start putting up points and start putting teams away.

"That excites us as defensive backs and we see [Sunday's game] as an opportunity.""

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to apologize to the receiver for kicking him in the shins. I just couldn't help it.

Posted by: JonJon | October 3, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I've jobbed in a pool before. I think my technique was off because everyone was looking at me funny.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 3, 2007 04:43 PM

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 3, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am jumping on the BLloyd badwagon this week. We'll see how far it takes me but I'm ready to give it a shot.

More takers on the "which first"
pool anyone?


Norv gets fired - dcsween. extra credit (ham sandwich) if they move the LB coach into the job.

Lloyd catches a pass - Bigfish

Thrash catches a pass - Chris Larry, Ray

The Pats lose - mmok

Emmitt Smith gets fired - cosmofla

Cubs win the World Series - Dorf

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

By the way the negative x-ray with Lloyd was a chest x-ray. They were checking to see if he still had any heart....

Posted by: Redcoat | October 3, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think I know where Jasno's "undisclosed" bumps are.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 3, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"badwagon" = bandwagon. Freudian slip?

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Do my eyes deceive me or did Jasno just write an entire post without a spelling error? That can't be the real Jasno.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd got kicked in the shin and had to miss part of practice.


that's it right there! put him on IR now!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's my entry bigfish.

Trent Green throws more TDs than INTs.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 3, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

maybe it was not Jasno?

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 3, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Wish we had video of the "kick" the receiver took to his shin. Whoever has this week in the pool may get lucky.

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 3, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Huge game coming up. Extremely nervous. We need to harvest our nuts right now. Not sure we can harvest these nuts without our main guys. I'm hoping that somehow Lloyd is given/and he takes the opportunity now that Moss looks to be out. Knowing the history of players like him and coaches' attitudes about players like him, I doubt it.

God do we need this one. You want a win coming out of that bye week. This feels like the game against Oakland a while back when it was awkward for a while, they stuck around, next thing I know Seb "What's GHB" Janilowski is kicking a game winning field goal in my mouth while Bourbon Rick rips his shirt off simultaneously in disgust.

Went to the Skins website to try an buy that Skins vest that Gibbs has in the picture online today in the Post.com but couldn't find it. Anyone know if they even sell that? Would love to have it.

Also, what will be the one big move the Nats make this off season. Any rumors about this?

Posted by: The Governor | October 3, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

My entry in bigfish's pool: DoubleMove actually hangs on to an interception.

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 3, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Word on the street is it was a disgusted 8 year old Redskins fan who walked up and kicked him in the shin.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Gov don't know, but if you find that vest post it. I saw that this morning and all i could find was some bubble vest.

Posted by: Skinz | October 3, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd got kicked in the shin and had to miss part of practice, but X-Rays were negative.


He was picking up his kids at the bus stop when it all went horribly wrong.

Posted by: SMACK | October 3, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

way to BOGO, kiidz.

Hail!

Posted by: Dik | October 3, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Can someone kick him in the head next time!

Hail!!!

Posted by: JC in NC | October 3, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Lions Insider Tom Kowalski tells WDFN-Detroit that he anticipates the Lions and Redskins to be a tight, physical defensive fight, and someone will have to make some big plays to win it in the fourth quarter. He predicts that will be the Redskins.


Washington can run the ball, even if Clinton Portis doesn't play. The Redskins don't want Jon Kitna and Jason Campbell going head-to-head in a passing battle. Washington's ability to run in the redzone will dictate the outcome. They're more likely to punch it at the end of a close game. Also look for TE Chris Cooley -- he could really hurt the Lions this week."

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/10/kowalski_on_wdfn_look_for_a_de.html

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Washington's ability to run in the redzone will dictate the outcome. They're more likely to punch it at the end of a close game."


Did that guy not watch our last game?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

A comment from that Lions blog.

"The Redskin defense ain't no slouch. They have good corners and outstanding safeties that all hit like a ton of bricks. I think we may have trouble running the ball against these guys but I do think we might be able to throw it over their heads a couple of times in the deep passing game. This is going to be a very physical game like the Vikings game I think.

I do think the Lions have a good shot at winning but they need to cut down on the mistakes to win in Washington. This kid Campbell is the real deal so I don't expect a whole lot of mistakes from him and he is mobile.

Traditionaly the NFC East has been a much tougher, more physical division and the Eagles game showed that. Washington cannot be taken lightly, they are fast on defense and will bring it. We will see how far the Lions have come in the last two weeks!"

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Washington's ability to run in the redzone will dictate the outcome."

Yep, that sure helped up win that close one against the Giants.

Posted by: Sonny's Son | October 3, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I love that the Lions faithful are even more defeatist than we are.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 3, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If I were a Lion fan right now I'd just be waiting for a monumental collapse, eyes shut, fingers crossed...we think we have it bad but man, can you guys imagine what it'd be like to root for that team??

Posted by: POOP | October 3, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell said that The WR is running scout team now.

Wow.

Posted by: CMoney | October 3, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"... I think we may have trouble running the ball against these guys but I do think we might be able to throw it over their heads a couple of times in the deep passing game. ..." - Lions blog

Pay no attention to Ricky Bobby on the cushion corners. The Skins MUST deny "the deep passing game" ... which means cover-3 shell ... AGAIN. The only upside for the Skins right now is that Calvin Johnson might limit Kitna's options to only three stud receivers. If the ball gets into Roy Williams' hands, he gets REAL hard to stop. Furrey and McDonald also have solid game. If the Skins' go for the "lust for mayhem" game, it HAS to count. Not that I wish injury on any player, but the Skins' secondary does not match up well against the Lions' receivers.

V. Fox is right. If there was ever a game where picks (esp. picks held onto) were key, this is that game. [and the the nickel package needs to be nickel safety, not nickel corner ... with that nickel safety blitzing sometimes ... and forcing fumbles.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Here we go...the nerves are acting up again...Wednesday through game time....dammit...pacing, nail biting, terets-like cursing in public places....

Posted by: POOP | October 3, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | October 3, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - what sween said.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. J LaCanfora -

I understand that you are an accomplished journalist with asperations to make it big some day(maybe a full time little league Soccer play by play guy)... But this is a new low even for you Mr. Jason. A travesty.

I got a text from my boy BLloyd and he told me that he was kicked in the shin by a 4 year old girl named Chloe. "This is for my Daddy..." she yelled as she ruined his "break out" season and crushed the hopes of Skin's fans nationwide for a potential championship.

How could you put the future of the Skin's Franchise in jeopardy and potentially end the career of a potential Hall of Fame Left Out? All while hiding behind the strong kicking leg of a 4 year old girl. Terrible.

Why don't you go back to you home on Wh0re island Mr. LaCanfora.

Dislexic Dex #72

Posted by: Dislexic Dex #72 | October 3, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The Receiver said nasty things about my sister, so I kicked him.

Posted by: Zenadine Zedane | October 3, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was mildly entertaining.

Posted by: TDawg | October 3, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"Lloyd got kicked in the shin and had to miss part of practice, but X-Rays were negative."

LOL! I've heard of glass slippers, but glass shins? Sheesh!

Does it even matter anymore? It's time to move on from that guy and cut him loose. Tell him to go play Halo 3 or something. :P

"Did that guy not watch our last game?"

Yeah, no kidding. :(

"This is for my Daddy..."

How do you think Jason gets his news man? Com'on anyone who reads this knows his favorite tv show is Jerry Springer. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 3, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I can't stop laughing about that shin thing, it's killing me. :)

Lloyd sucks so bad, good grief. :P

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | October 3, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm prepared to get ripped by the downers for stating this but the Lions have not played anyone yet with a secondary as good as ours yet.

They barely beat Minnesota, the Bears gave them the game last week with all of the TO's and half of their defense was hurt. They beat the Raiders (big whoop) and lost to the Eagles who we beat. The Lions may be a little over rated at this point.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"If I were a Lion fan right now I'd just be waiting for a monumental collapse, eyes shut, fingers crossed...we think we have it bad but man, can you guys imagine what it'd be like to root for that team??"

Posted by: POOP | October 3, 2007 05:20 PM

I have lots of peeps in Michigan (went to MSU) and, believe me, the Greater Detroit locals are busy preparing for the end of their fleeting Sunday moments of feeling good. They are not yet letting themselves feel good.

Reading articles from yesterday's Detroit News (www.detnews.com) gives me a knot in my stomach. Even if the fans don't believe, the quotes from the team are scary, esp. Kitna. He got real angry when asked about their 'curse' (losing all 40 games in DC). The highlighted play is not just one or two guys. Its like LOTS of guys are stepping up for one or two outstanding plays.

What kills me is that, if the Skins DO win this game, the fan response will be "it was just the Lions". If we lose, the world will come crashing down. Coming off a bye week is like re-starting the season ... and this is a real important game the Skins need to win mentally/psychologically (esp. coming off that game before the bye week).

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, I agree with two thirds of that. The Raiders secondary is actually OK, featuring the fabled Nnana Mushmushi (aka Asomugha Nnamdi).

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

My prediction for the Superbowl:

Redskins vs. Browns

WOW.
Just think for a minute-- nevermind reality. WOW.

Posted by: TDawg | October 3, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The Raider secondary was good last year but it has yet to show up this year including Mushmouth. So far our pass D is much better than there's across the board statwise.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Who would have ever that that we would have more sacks than the Ravens, Dolphins and Panthers at this point? Even better is that we have done it in 3 games and those teams have all played 4.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

" ... So far our pass D is much better than there's across the board stat-wise."

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 06:08 PM

OK. I just checked the stats. Agreed Skins' pass D is much better, but not across the board. Oakland is #3 in picks. Skins, not so high. The Skins do, however, lead in a category for which stats are not kept: lust for mayhem.

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - why don't you run over Redcoat's dog too. ouch.

Posted by: mile high | October 3, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

In this day and age of cheating and cyberspace, the blog will become the redskins' biggest enemy. Bigger than someone taping coaches signals. There are no more secrets. Other teams are assigning coaches' teenage kids who are proficient in web surfing to check on other opponents and what they can find out.

When they get to this blog, they will think they hit a gold mine. They get provided stats. Who is practicing extra (WRs) and who is not practicing at all (The WR). Who will play and who definitely won't play. What 'the players' are telling him and what have you.

I am starting to believe that this blog does a disservice to the Redskins in the content that is put up.

Now the Detroit Lions will not even think, 'What if Moss plays? How do we guard him against the Deep Ball?' Now, they don't even have to waste time to think about 'what ifs' that keeps coaches up hours. Now, they can use their valuable time and watch San Diego and New England tapes on how Ricochet Caldwell and McCardell run their routes check out any tendencies they may have. They don't have to tell their guys to worry about the WR and remind their Defensive Backs of the ability #85 may still have.

All they have to do is stay tuned to this blog on a daily basis and keep the insiders' info coming about whose practicing with who and who isn't practicing at all.

Does NE have a blog like this? This is getting too much, quite honest............

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 3, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I Don't Understand!!! The x-ray came back negative -- So why did they do a brain x-ray on Lloyd if he got kicked in the shin?

Posted by: AL | October 3, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Dear whoever kicked the wr,

KICK HARDER.

Thanks,

GSG

Posted by: Go Skins Go | October 3, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I haven't posted in a while... swamped with college again... but I can't believe that gus ferrote is taking over for bulger
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3047516

Posted by: Dante | October 3, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

4th, sounds like you're signing up to be the anti-Jason-doesn't-love-us-enough-to-post-anymore guy.

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope BLloyd gets some time this week, breaks his shin and can never play again. Then he can proceed to lose all his money in his music company and be living in a cardboard box by 2009. F him.

Posted by: #85 hater | October 3, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't find the pic of Coach Gibbs in the Skins vest, so I'm not sure if it's the same one, but the Skins shop does offer one that is not the stupid bubble vest:

http://store.redskins.com/productinfo.asp?item=659&deptcode1=567&sn=1

This might be the one you guys are looking for. Happy shopping!

Posted by: JustMe | October 3, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

people people people....

enough of this "lions suck, who have they played" crap...

didn't u learn anything from giants game? All nfl teams can ball, no team is pushover for skins....

if your not scared of this game check for a pulse!!

lets give mad props to the lions, quit looking ahead on the schedule and realize its gonna be a tough street fight sunday, and every game following...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris laRry is right. Any team that can put up 34 points in one quarter is legit. I don't care how banged up the Bears' D is, that's impressive.

If the pool is still open, put me down for Thrash catching a pass. This looks like the week. I also have a feeling that dcsween will win the Receiver, The inactive pool because this week ain't looking good.

Posted by: etrod | October 3, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - why don't you run over Redcoat's dog too. ouch.

Posted by: mile high | October 3, 2007 06:16 PM

Sorry RC but take that as a sort of compliment because the Dolphins D was/is? considered one of the better defenses in the league.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Done etrod. Need more takers on the pool. No more write-ins please. Winners get a ham sandwich specially made by me shipped via FedEx Ground.

Norv gets fired - dcsween. extra credit (ham sandwich) if they move the LB coach into the job.

Lloyd catches a pass - Bigfish

Thrash catches a pass - Chris Larry, Ray, Etrod

The Pats lose - mmok

Emmitt Smith gets fired - cosmofla

Cubs win the World Series - Dorf

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

JustMe,

I think this is the vest the Gov was writing about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/2005/front/skinsindex.html

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 3, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

With Moss probably out, if Thrash doesn't catch a pass, we are in deep you know what.

That being said, I'll jump on the gimme "Thrash catches a pass" even though I am pulling for a firing of either Cowgirl.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 3, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if my wife knows that the only reason I watch Deal Or No Deal with her is because of the models. Schwiiing!!

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Done CBT. Thrash has got to be the slowest WR on our team. As CL says, he has no place on the field other than special teams.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, put me down for the WR screen as Thrash's first catch.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 3, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

you want the extra ham sandwich like sween - huh?

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

It would have to be a screen though. He's too slow to get open deep.

Posted by: bigfish | October 3, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

please - I need to differentiate myself from CL, Ray, etrod, et al

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 3, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

sweet megskin joined the wiki!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we've got ourselves another pool.

Thrash's first catch will be:
1) A WR screen - Cindy's boy toy
D) A 3 yard slant
5) A 5 yard out - etrod
Beef) 10 yard curl
F) Deep square in
Q) Deep post
Sally Field) Fly

I'm down for the 5 yard out because--think back--have you ever seen Thrash catch anything but a 5 yard out? Me neither.

Posted by: etrod | October 3, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

4th, sounds like you're signing up to be the anti-Jason-doesn't-love-us-enough-to-post-anymore guy.

Posted by: dcsween | October 3, 2007 06:36 PM

No, all I am saying is there is a reason the reporters git confined to a small stuffy room during the season. I'm not anti-JLaC, but I am begining to be more Pro-Belicheck kind of guy. The least info the better. I am all about getting to know the players and what they think. But telling us who is practicing with Campbell and who isn't is going too far.....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX - 'Championship'! And I didn't even start Culpepper......

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Mark. I looked right at it and didn't realize it was a vest. That is cute. I'd like to find that, myself, so I can get one for my dad. He'd really like it, I think.

Posted by: JustMe | October 3, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

In the same vein of BLloyd's tragic shin-kicking malady, this has me laughing uncontrollably:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aly_MJ7z6bHdliVkMRzCkohDubYF?slug=jo-couch100307&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

As for this weekend - I do think this is a true must-win. I know it's only Week 5, but losing 2 straight at home would be a scathing commentary on where this season is heading and just how much the O-line injuries are affecting us. Conversely, if we can hold them to 21 points or less and scratch out a "W", then I'll feel pretty good calling the Giants Debacle an anomaly in terms of our defensive prowess and "strategery" as our estimable Commander-In-Chief might say.

HAIL

Posted by: LMG | October 3, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

One of Thrash's finer moments, to me, was when he caught a 40+ yarder at philly in '05 (I think), maybe '06...a big UP YOURS to the philly fans, to his previous team who tried to make him a #1 receiver when he's at best a #3. I never remember him DROPPING a pass for the Skins, and he always came through in the clutch on 3rd and long, especially in '05. I know this means nothing NOW, but shucks, give the guy some credit. He'll at least fight for that 50/50 ball.

Posted by: Uncle Heyron | October 3, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Even Adam Scefter dosen't know the extent of Moss's injury!

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Press Conference: Joe Gibbs
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Site Staff
WarpathInsiders.com Oct 3, 2007

Joe Gibbs answered questions today for the media about the upcoming Redskins and Lions Game. Here is a transcript:


On Wednesday's practice:

"Santana (Moss, WR, #89) didn't take anything. Clinton (Portis, RB, #26) was limited, he took some work. Last week when I talked to you I talked about that being tendonitis, because I really thought that's probably what was aggravated, but it's a different spot on his knee, which is probably good. He took limited work. Sean Taylor (S, #21) took limited work. Brandon Lloyd (WR, #85) got kicked so at that point in practice he missed some stuff. Smoot (Fred, CB, #27) was full go."

On his concern level on Clinton Portis' (RB, #26) knee:

"Clinton will be fine. He took limited work. He took some stuff in the team work. I feel good that it's not tendonitis which I was worried it flared up, which that thing could go weeks and weeks and weeks. This, I think is just a different spot and I think we're okay there. I think he'll take more as the week goes. It's not a sprain."

On when Santana Moss (WR, #89) is going to push practicing:

"It's up to him. Today he took some running over there. I think it will just be up to him. He has a real good feel. He's had hamstrings and stuff in the past and we kind of leave it up to him. He took some running and some stuff over there on the other field. I think it will be up to him as to what point he'll be ready to practice and stuff. It will just be whenever he feels good. We don't want somebody out there that's not ready to roll."

On Detroit Lions Offensive Coordinator Mike Martz:

"I think he's much smart than I am. The people that have been around him think he's a very unusual guy and he can just design stuff and it's going to work. He's very creative, like I talked about. He tries some things that I look at and I'm like gosh. It's kind of amazing some of the stuff he does and gets done. He's got a good group to work with too right now. He has some real talented receivers and his quarterback seems to get it and really enjoys what they're doing. It will be a real handful for us. We're going to have to match up against one of the best passing attacks in the League."

On if Mike Martz is the closest thing to Don Coryell in the League right now:

"What was always amazing about Don (Coryell) is he was creative and will try anything; change the snap count and do stuff like that. Mike's probably a lot like that, not afraid to try something different, do something different. Whereas most coaches, we're much more paranoid than that. We're afraid to try something like that. You have to know when you go up against him you're going to be tested because they do a real good job in what they do."

On how much pressure the Lions scoring 34 fourth- quarter points against the Bears puts on the Redskins offense:


"Anytime you go against a real good offensive team the pressure goes up on both sides of the ball. You have to play great on defense, but you would also prefer to keep the ball yourself. Against the Bears, the tough thing there is the Bears couldn't get anything done on offense. They really dominated the line of scrimmage. They averaged about three yards a rush. They're a real good rush team, Chicago is. They were physically getting after it. It was impressive, so you have both sides of the ball. They're 3-1 for a reason. You have to think this one will go right to the last play, like our other games have been."

On if Santana Moss (WR, #89) does not practice this week could he still play Sunday:

"It's up to him. He would have to, by the end of the week, be feeling better. I wouldn't rule that out. He has a real good feel. In the past he's said, 'hey look, I think I'm fine,' by Friday, so we'll just have to wait and see."

On the seriousness of Sean Taylor's (S, #21) injury:

"It's just a nagging thing. I think it's been there. It was the week before the break and he played with it, so I don't anticipate a problem there."

On the Lions having three players with 20 catches each already:

"First of all, you have to look at where all those guys were picked and taken. They're top, first class guys. It's not a mistake, they're real talented. They've done a real good job. Matt's (Millen, Lions President and CEO) done a good job there, with Rod Marinelli (Lions Head Coach). He's the perfect guy to come in there with the Tampa style defense, which is very, very good and organized. They know what they want to do over there. What they have going there right now is a good deal on defense and a good deal on offense and they're special teams too. They're all the way across the board. It shows that they're well coached. They've done a good job putting a real good coaching staff together and I think it's showing up on the field."

On only have two receivers who have caught passes:

"Of course Chris (Cooley, TE, #47) is a big part of that. We kind of feel like, you never know from week to week what's going to happen from a receivers standpoint. Certainly I don't think anyone would have guessed that Randle El (Antwaan, WR, #82) would have that many catches right now. You never know because the reads take you certain places. Sometimes when you design things to try and get it in one direction the defense takes that away and you go somewhere else. The key there is to have real good receivers and be balanced all the way across the board. Jason's (Campbell, QB, #17) going to read it out and where he goes, he goes. Whoever gets the chance has to make the play. We've had a number of things where we were going to try to get it to Cooley (Chris, TE, #47) and it hasn't worked out. It wound up going to somebody else."

On how much further along Andre Carter (DE, #99) is this year than last year:

"To me he's one of the best trained athletes, like I've said over and over again. He's off to a real good start this year. Generally with him what happens, is what I saw last year, just from being around him, the time I've been with him, he gets better as the year goes because he has such great conditioning. Most guys will wear down. He's more accustomed to what we're doing. He and Gregg (Williams, Assistant Head Coach- Defense) have a great relationship. He has a great motor and goes hard. He never says a word in practice. He's first at everything. I would say he's further along for sure. He's a gifted athlete so he's capable of making plays there. If there's any one thing, when you go from playing linebacker, we had to project it, where he was going to be. Putting him back there probably takes some time to get accustomed again to having your hand on the ground. He's a real strong family guy, so probably being settled, spending a whole year here, he's probably a little bit more comfortable there too."

On Derrick Frost (P, #4):

"With Derrick and with Shaun (Suisham, K, #6) right now, we have two young guys there. At the time we weren't even looking and all of a sudden we had him and Tupa (Tom) and everything that happened there. Right now he's a lot more consistent than what he was then. That's the key. That probably comes with confidence. If you watch with kickers and with punters it's bounce around, bounce around, bounce around. Then when you stick some place and get a little confidence then it's like a 14 year deal. I hope that's the way it's going to be here."


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Posted by: 4th via scout.com | October 3, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Uncle Heyron,

Please don't misunderstand...I love Thrash like a fat kid loves cake. He can stick around as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned. It seems like the only thing the ever hit him on is a little out pattern. He always makes the catch which is more than I can say for Receiver, The.

I do think that if he's our starting flanker than things do not bode well for DC football. He's money as a #3 but as #1 not so much.

I hope crazy eyes learned has learned enough of the playbook to get some time in there this week.

Posted by: etrod | October 3, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

This the unfiltered media that Dan Snyder was talking about and I have no problem with.


Note that they are saying it is up to Moss if he plays. They are not saying that Moss will be OUT def for the game....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought this was a particularly interesting article about Dilfer and his grudge against Billick:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802efe59&template=without-video&confirm=true

I know I carry a lot of unnecessary anger (mostly to ex-girlfriends, but whatever)...as usual, sports is a lesson for life...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 3, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with redskins.com airing the full interviews and press conferences. I think it's great, actually.

But what is wrong is when the organization prevents legitimate journalists from having access to the same people and information that the in-house media puppets have. Now, in sports, I couldn't care less, quite frankly. The 'Skins are hardly more than a 3-hour weekend diversion and whether, say, Moss is hurt or not should have absolutely no bearing on one's life.

But in government and with public corporations, I think this trend towards the in-house media organization portraying their "news" as definitive and unquestioned information on a subject is disturbing, to say the least. And it's happening all the time.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 3, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

word p diddy...couldn't agree more

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

But in government and with public corporations, I think this trend towards the in-house media organization portraying their "news" as definitive and unquestioned information on a subject is disturbing, to say the least. And it's happening all the time.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 3, 2007 10:20 PM

I heard that.

Posted by: The Man | October 3, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Diddy - I agree with you, to a point.

I think you are what you are writing are about 2 different subjects. Corporations and the NFL operate differently....

Take Belicheck and what dosen't come out of NE, for example.

Now you are talking about corparations that are trying to control their public 'personification' of who they really are.

Corparations are trying to squeeze every little penny of profit they can get.

While the NFL, and specifically the Redskins 'semi-try' to do that as well. The Football Ops side is actually trying to WIN the freakin SuperBowl! So, that being said, the team has to limit the info of what's what on the football ops side, which the media mainly covers.

Get my point? (Note: I am half drunk off the Remy, but can think logically at the moment, but am sweating like heck)....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,
I hear ya. I don't think Thrash should be #1 either....my comment was for those fellow commentors who are calling him "trash" and whatnot. Let's hope the two "new" guy WR's have digested enough of the playbook to throw down. On the aside, your Sean Taylorisms MAKE MY DAY. Keep it up, bro!

Posted by: Uncle Heyron | October 3, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

A Good Exxample you are trying to portray is like BP.

Their commercials aren't reflective of the business where they make beaucoup $$$. THey are portraying theirselves as a 'caring' company of the enviroment.

This is the NF of L. The $$ side is the Gary Clark induction this year. The football Ops side is Gibbs lying through his teeth to make the other team think that Santana might play and those coaches would need to exaust additional man hours to think about that......

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Press Conference: Jason Campbell
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Jason Campbell answered questions today for the media about the upcoming Redskins and Lions Game. Here is a transcript:


On the upcoming game versus the Lions:

"We just never know how the game's going to go. Sometimes you can be in a high scoring game, you can be in a low scoring game and sometimes it's the opposite. We just have to prepare ourselves for whatever game that we need to go out and play to get ourselves in a good position to win the game."

On the injuries and additions to the receivers:

"It's been that way since training camp started, a lot of injuries in different positions. Our offensive line really hasn't been together all of training camp and during the season, and how it's our receiving corps. The one thing that we have going for us right now is that we have a lot of depth at those positions and that's what you need. We weren't anticipating the injuries that we had so early in the season, but things happen. It is the NFL and when things like that happen the guys behind them have to step up. When they're granted the opportunity they just have to take advantage of it. I think they've done a great job of doing that. One reason why is Coach [Gibbs] did an outstanding this off-season going out and getting players that add depth to those positions."

On if he has to do anything specific to make things work with new receivers:

"They're experienced guys, so that's a plus. The only thing that we have to do together now is just build chemistry and us get use to throwing and catching from each other. Once we get on top of that then everything else is just back to playing football. Keenan's (McCardell, WR, #80) been in the League a long time. I told him I was an elementary guy when he was in his first year in the NFL, so we were joking about that. Santana (Moss, WR, #89) said 'yeah, I was in middle school.' It's all fun though, we enjoy it. I'm glad that we got him. He's a guy like Randle El (Antwaan, WR, #82). He's a leader and a guy that really means business."

On if he is disappointed that Antwaan Randle El (WR, #82) and Santana Moss (WR, #89) are the only wide receivers with catches:

"A little bit, because of how explosive we can be as an offense, but at the same time it means when you're given an opportunity to do well do it to the best you can do it. It's the only thing you can do. Overall, I feel like the guys are just being competitive. James Thrash (WR, #83) is an outstanding guy. He comes to practice every day. He does everything one hundred percent, full speed. Brandon Lloyd (WR, #85) has been a guy that's been quiet. He's just been going to work, doing his business. He runs scout team routes, he runs our offense, so he's really been getting involved in a lot of ways in practice. Like I told you, you never know when your day is going to come so you always have to stay alert and stay ready because when that time comes you don't want to miss that opportunity."

On how it will affect his passing game if Santana Moss (WR, #89) can not play:

"We have a lot of guys that are able to go out there and get the job done. I feel like Randle El (WR, #82), he stepped up this off-season. With Brandon Lloyd (WR, #85) and Keenan McCardell (WR, #80) and Reche


Caldwell (WR, #86) we still have guys that can make plays for us. James Thrash (WR, #83) is a very reliable guy. He's always stepped in and done an outstanding job when he's given the opportunity. I still feel like we have a lot of guys that can make plays for us."

On if he expects Clinton Portis (RB, #26) to be at one hundred percent:

"We expect to have Clinton behind us. Right now I think he's just dealing with a situation where he's just trying to make sure he's a hundred percent before he gets back in to practice. We understand. With Clinton on the football field on Sunday, he gives it all. He's blocking, he's running, he gives everything a hundred and ten percent, so we always know he'll be ready."

On the Philadelphia Eagles scoring 56 points against the Lions:

"You watch that game and you go back and watch the Chicago game, and it's totally different. They're like two totally different defenses. Like I said, you just can't predicate the game off of that or what happened against the Eagles. Some games you just catch people on their off day. Overall, they're still 3-1. The things they've done against Chicago are very impressive. We understand it's going to be a tough challenge."

On the fact that the Lions have not won a game in the Washington, D.C. area:

"I didn't know that. We just have to continue playing football. They're 3-1 right now. They're an NFC opponent and we're 2-1, so we have a lot to play for on both sides of the ball. We understand that they're going to come in here and do well as they should. They're a good team right now. They're 3-1 and they have a lot of swagger. They're very comfortable in what they're doing. We're very impressed by what we see on camera from them. They're a good team."

On if taking extra work with the receivers is what it takes to gain chemistry:

"Definitely. After you have the off week you don't want to lose anything or lose a step backwards. We had a good practice but we also wanted to get some more throws in after practice and especially with the new guys, Keenan McCardell (WR, #80) and Reche Caldwell (WR, #86) we didn't have the chance to throw to each other as much. We had the opportunity to go out there after practice. It's a big deal for us on Monday to get out there and prepare for the rest of the week."

On how much pressure is on Casey Rabach (OL, #61) with the offensive line being banged up:

"Casey is like another quarterback out there. When it comes to the offensive line make sure he's getting all the guys in the right place at the right time, he's like an extra quarterback taking care of that part of it. My job is to take care of everything else. He's been doing an outstanding job at doing that. We have a lot of guys that are out right now, but at the same time he's doing a great job with keeping the ones that are in there right now together."


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Posted by: 4th via scout.com | October 3, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that sports is different than a corporation, I'm just saying that my moral outrage is reserved for when it "matters". Like when presidents attempt to spin a failed, out of control war to hoodwink the general public and make political gains. Just as an example.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 3, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep beating my drum:

Not only put BLloyd out there, but make him #1 option so as to prove once and for all his worth. NONE OF US are at practice every day so we don't know what goes on, nor have we heard any serious questions to the coaches about BLloyd's issues (JLC are you reading this?).

It's possible that Gibbs sees a lot of Tony Stewart in BLloyd: petulant yet talented, just needing time to mature? Yeah, $12 million doesn't grant you much time to mature, so it's put up or shut up time for BLloyd.

Posted by: adinasi | October 3, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm about to use the same theory that has been thrown at me many of times....

You can be be upset with different things at the same time.

I'm threw with politics, personally. I am ready to blow up our whole Fake 'Democracy' System!

How the SJK can we have all of these products from China, A COMMUNIST NATION, and yet we deprive Cuba?!?!?!?

I have never gotten a straight answer..

I am a minority, but I don't like Barack or Hiliary. The only reason Hiliary MIGHT win is because of her Hubby and I ain't voting for Obama just because he's Black. I am actually feeling the Arkansas Republican Governer.

Bush is Bush and will be Bush as long his name is Bush...

Now, Back to the NFL.

I am hoping and rooting for the Skins to win the SB. And to do so, there has to be a certain level of disinformation out there....

Football is my biggest diversion of my life right now, but it surely ain't my life.

Maybe we should take this to the Chris Cizzila (sp?) blog and poout over there...

I have realized from the moral outragethat I have the it is best to help the few kids I can reach so maybe they can grow up to be better people...

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

4th, you are rocking it tonight. Keep singing it.

Glad it was you beating me in fantasy this past weekend. It was easier to take that last-minute defeat from your team, somehow.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 3, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

After all that said....

I hope you didn't take any of this personal Diddy, cause it wasn't. Blame it on the Mr. Remy Martin!

Go Blue Devils!

Nate - I thought I actually lost until I checked the scores this morning. This is the 2nd game I won by 1 point. (The other was against Zebra).......

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm threw with the Skins for the night....

In other news, I just got a tattoo pic of my daughter last night and that joint looks fantastic. Once it heals up I'll take a pic of it and post it for you guys...

Ok, I lied. Gibbs seems like he will use the Shin thing as the excuse for the WR not playing for the rest of the season.....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm throwing my ante into the Thrash pool...

Give me a Hail Mary deflection catch at the end of the 2nd quarter a la Randle El. No TD either.

Posted by: Dorf | October 3, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say, I'm 99% certain that Santana WILL NOT play on Sunday. Saw him interviewed on Sportsnet and you can just TELL.

So that leaves us with only ONE receiver who has caught a pass this season....Randle El. Scary, huh?

Posted by: Lisa | October 3, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Not scary at all to me Lisa. We are still in our 1st 4th (4th!) of the season and have a proven vet in McCardell coming in. Richocet - I am not sure of..

Cooley has blocking more than running pass patterns and I am sure that will change...

Sween - I like the offer, but I am scared to pull the trigger! Let me sleep on it...

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that sports is different than a corporation, I'm just saying that my moral outrage is reserved for when it "matters". Like when presidents attempt to spin a failed, out of control war to hoodwink the general public and make political gains. Just as an example.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 3, 2007 10:36 PM

What LBJ did is just unforgivible. ;)

Posted by: bangkokben | October 3, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

like i said earlier:

go three wide with ARE and Bloyd (with a quick hook to reche/thrash) on the wings with cooley playing slot...

than use cooley/yoder as traditional TE

the colts rocked that last year with dallas clark in slot...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

i mean sellers/yoder as traditional TE

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I didn't get a chance to put my two bahts worth on the 2nd half collapse stats:

Jasno,

Thanks for the stats. Looks as if the trend started in '92. Also 15-11 is a heluva lot better than 8-17 (losing or tied at halftime). This all of course speaks to the 'genius' of Gibbs at half-time. Which is now non-existent. However, with that exception, I have no problem with Gibbs as the game plans have been sound but not always the execution. Since there are only two dominant teams and perhaps a third, i'll take one that fights its guts out everyweek.

Losing to the lions would suck but getting blown out would be unacceptable.

Go 'skins! Lead at half and then crush in the second. Show us why we should be hopeful.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 3, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I know the Lions are no pushovers but something in my being expects the 'skins to win big.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 3, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

ugh bangkokben ugh....think it dont say it....this blog is very cavalier with inviting in mr. jinx

i blamed the giants loss on some of ridiculous predictions up here..

i love sfskin...but earlier that sunday when she said "i think we can beat the pats" i knew the game was cooked!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 3, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The Giants Game was Cindy's Fault!

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 3, 2007 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Conference Call: John Kitna
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Jon Kitna answered questions today for the media about the upcoming Redskins and Lions Game. Here is a transcript:

On waiting to be a part of Mike Martz's offense:

"I never thought it was going to happen. Obviously, you have a two-time NFL MVP and then he gets hurt and then they bring in Mark Bulger and he's playing great. I never thought it was going to happen and me and coach talked about it. I remember back in 2000 when I was going to be a free agent for the first time coming out of Seattle and wishing I could play for a guy like that, just watching the way he called plays and the fun they had on offense. It was something I wanted to be apart of and I never thought it was going to happen. Fortunately it has worked out and it has been a huge blessing."

On the depth of the team:

"We feel pretty good about our guys. That has been Coach Marinelli and (Mike) Martz. They have worked together to give us a ton of options on offense and that is what you need in this system."

On the Lions never beating the Redskins on the road:

"I bet if you asked guys in this locker room less than 10 guys would know that is a fact. A lot of us haven't played on those teams so this is a new season. That makes for good writing and good stories and sells papers but doesn't really affect the game once the game starts. The fact of the matter is that for the last ten years or so this has been an organization that has struggled and they haven't beat a lot of people. If we took that into account, every week there would be a new rally cry. Coach Marinelli talks about it all the time. We have to play ourselves. It doesn't really matter who we are playing, we


have to execute at the top level. We have rules built in. You have to execute at the top level that you can."

On his relationship with Coach Mike Martz:

"We have a lot of fun in that quarterback room. He has a lot of stories to tell and has been through a lot. He has seen a lot so we talk about a lot of things. Every day is like I'm learning something new, how to attack different defenses, what defenses to look for, what plays work best. Every day there is something new to be learned from this guy."

On what he expects out of the Redskins defense:

"You never really know. I have played against Gregg Williams (Assistant Head Coach- Defense) for a lot of years, back in the old AFC West when he was with Tennessee. I have seen this guy a ton. I know he has just about every coverage you could throw at a team. For us, we have to stick with our rules. Every team plays us a little differently. You look at the film, try to get an idea. The fact of the matter is whatever the coverage they are running, they have the best collection of defensive talent in the league right now."

On Shawn Springs (CB, #24):

"Shawn has words for everybody. I know what kind of player Shawn is. You have to be very careful throwing the ball to his side. He is a homerun hitter. When you make a mistake, he will make you pay for it. But at the same time, we aren't going to shy away from anybody in this league with the guys that we have."


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Posted by: 4th via scout.com | October 3, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 4, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

From article:

"He'd catch that swing pass and turn upfield, and you'd see sheer terror in the secondary," said Washington Assistant Coach Dan Henning, who was on the Oilers' staff in '72.

The same Henning who is the OC NOW @ Carolina. NFL coaching is truly a league of good ol boys....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 4, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

More from the article:

"Some of Gibb's stuff had confused the Dolphins enough to keep them from overplaying Riggins. The topper was the particularly zany Explode Package, in which the five eligible pass receivers lined up in strange places, jumped into different locations and took their prescribed one-second pause. As usual, a receiver then went in motion.

"We put it in at 3:30 a.m. Thursday morning," Washington Offensive Coordinator Joe Bugel said. "It was at the end of our coaches' meeting. We were trying to think of something special. Someone would make a suggestion. It didn't click. Then someone would make another. We'd have a cup of coffee, a candy bar. All of a sudden Coach Gibbs said, 'How about moving everybody?' And one guy said, 'Now you're talking.' And the Explode Package was born. That morning at 10 o'clock we presented it to the team. Coach Gibbs diagrammed it and said, 'Men, we call this Explode!' and there was this yell throughout the room: 'Yeeahhh!' It sure got their attention."

The Skins used the Explode about five times and got two short touchdown passes out of it, a four-yarder to Garrett in the second quarter and the final TD, a six-yarder to Brown, at the end of the game. Both came out of an alignment in which the two little guys started out together, almost in single file, then split and crossed into the end zone. Both times the coverage was close. Maybe the formation provided a split second's indecision, maybe it didn't, but it didn't hurt.

"

Classic. I can only hope that Buges 4.4 and Gibbs 2.4 can onlyt be half of what they use to be....

Posted by: 4th | October 4, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

ok,

The 4th Floor hour has been brought to you by Remy Martin, NFL Replay, and the sorry MLB Playoffs.

Passing the baton now....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | October 4, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid seems to be in the wrong profession. He writes like I do and knows less about football than 80 percent of the people on this blog (Maybe more).

'Since joining the Washington Redskins in March 2006, the opportunities have just kept coming for Antwaan Randle El. And he just keeps making the most of them.'

Stop starting every sentance with 'And' gosh darn it.

'With the Detroit Lions coming to FedEx Field on Sunday, Randle El's workload may increase even more if Moss sits out or is slowed because of a groin injury.'

Well he is a starter and mostly just gets taken out for running plays. Will probably get more double teams.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Bownie I mean Jason Reid you are doing a h$ll of a job.

I think we need a football consultant at the WP. Maybe they could take advantage of the IT technology to do so game brake down.

Posted by: M&M | October 4, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben

We have been decusing if Gibbs is more conservative than the past. I cant find statitics in the 80s.

Run/Pass 'yards per completion' might give us some understanding. Do you have these stats.

I was 8 in 1982.

I remember run on first down. Run on third and 2 or less (at least with Big John). Run inside the 10 - 2 or 3 times. Run the ball a lot when winning. 100 plus years running sure win. Predictable but well excicuted with was the way the offense played. 2nd half adjustments were also good. We did score a lot most years but only 'Jay S' had more than 4000 yards passing.

We may not have opened the play book but there is a reason (see last week) but we take shots down the field.

Posted by: M&M | October 4, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Panthers Fire Coordinator Dan Henning

The Carolina Panthers fired offensive coordinator Dan Henning and two other assistants Monday, two weeks after finishing a disappointing 8-8 season.

Full story: Available on Topix from The Associated Press - Jan 15, 2007

Posted by: News Flash | October 4, 2007 2:09 AM | Report abuse

M & M,

I have similar recollections as you - was 10/11 in '82. Ran the snot out of it but also took chances. He loved the flea-flicker - Schoeder's first play to Monk after Joe T's broken leg. Also introduced the bunch set with 'the posse.' The three WRs set up in a bunch to one side of the line. Didn't all of them have over 1000 yards that year?

With Gibbs 1.0 the game plan was predictable but executed, mixed in with some motion to isolate the WRs, and the occasional trick play - at least one per game. The big difference was that when something wasn't working on offense, he not only knew what was wrong but how to fix it in the 12 minutes of half-time. That element seems to be missing.

The team did not always have a killer instinct but did in Super Bowl years. This year kind of reminds me of the years when Rypien and Humphries were learning on the job. I think Rypien had like six fumbles in eight sacks in one stretch. Gibbs went conservative then.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 4, 2007 5:08 AM | Report abuse

M & M,

You may want to check out redskinsdb.com. As in Redskins database. It may or may not have the info you need.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 4, 2007 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Bugle can kick LLoyd's narrow ass

Posted by: erthdog | October 4, 2007 7:15 AM | Report abuse

So in Gibbs presser, he said they are taking away their two top recievers in Moss and Cooley, which is why ARE is producing. So If Moss doesnt play this week, they will take away ARE and Cooley.

So Thrash is expected to put up ARE numbers? What are we going to avg 6 yds a catch?

I see a lot of swing passes to RB's and maybe, just maybe BLloyd when Thrash cant get it done.

We need to run it down their throat and just go over the top 8 times to ARE or Lloyd

Posted by: Zebra | October 4, 2007 7:21 AM | Report abuse

"With Derrick and with Shaun (Suisham, K, #6) right now, we have two young guys there. At the time we weren't even looking and all of a sudden we had him and Tupa (Tom) and everything that happened there. Right now he's a lot more consistent than what he was then. That's the key. That probably comes with confidence. If you watch with kickers and with punters it's bounce around, bounce around, bounce around. Then when you stick some place and get a little confidence then it's like a 14 year deal. I hope that's the way it's going to be here."


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Posted by: 4th via scout.com | October 3, 2007 10:06 PM


I love this quote. A year ago I wouldn't have given Frost a chance and Suisham had only a short run, though it was solid. I would have put my milk money on Frost being gone by the opener, but with time and experience I have to give him credit he's turned into a monster. He's the Frost Monster. Nice that our kicking game has gone from testicle-ascending 2005 to Boomer and Swisher this season.

Posted by: Lurky boy | October 4, 2007 7:27 AM | Report abuse

700 play playbook... I think Campbell is ready for some of those trick plays Al.

Bring on the Tom Foolery and Shenanigans! A dash of Ballyhoo would be nice too.

The ARE to The Receiver pass for 52 of his 365 yards last year (THAT'S ROUGHLY 14%!)was brought up earlier... let's see some of that!

Posted by: Dorf | October 4, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Dorf,

I highly doubt it. Gibby controls the play calling until the Redskins reach mid field. Don't you know that it's too dag-gum risky to call anything but runs and "safe" passes in your own territory?

But once the Skins hit the 50, Al Saunders takes over. However, if the Skins are able to move past the opponents 35, Gibby takes control once again. Let's fight our guts out for 3, or maybe even a coffin corner punt from the 28 yard line????

Basically I'm pretty confident that Al Saunders controls 15 yards of the field for 2 mill per year. And just think what happens if CP breaks a 21 yard run from their own 47. Al would miss his opportunity to even call one play on that drive...

P.S. anyone take advantage of the stub hu, I mean visiting team returns, this week???

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 4, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

No RB, and its best to wait until today to get them. I think this is the last day to order them and get them by saturday. They are a lot more expensive at the beginning of the week.

Posted by: Zebra | October 4, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, RB, I hate seeing our slow-developing, everyone-knows-what's happening trick plays, which are usually treat plays for the D. So if that's what you mean by Col. Saunders' play calling, I'll pass (so to speak).

I wouldn't be so sure about the play calling being "controlled" by Gibbs, RB, in the way you describe it. He's the freakin' head coach. He helps put together the game plan, and I'm sure he does call a few plays himself during the game, but I believe it's Saunders' voice in Soup's headset before each huddle. Whatever the hell that means.

So as I understand it, it's almost always Saunders ordering off that gigantic menu of his, even if Gibbs might have told him beforehand what he's hungry for. (Wait, if Gibbs is the chef who gets to shop for his own groceries and cook the meal, is Saunders the sous chef? Is Soup the waiter, or a line cook or something?)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 4, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

On that note I can't think of the last time one of those "trick" plays actually tricked a defense we were playing. Seems like the tricks always on us.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

ha! you gotaa lova that Kitna quote (on the Lyins not winning in DC) "you guys just say that stuff to sell papers." Oh yeah, that really had the hoi polloi buying up every sheet in town!

Posted by: Skins In Sichuan | October 4, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

perhaps then Vinny "Rasputin" Cerrato would be the gregarious waiter with the ridiculous accent and mustache seductively describing the dishes to an easily impressed, cummerbund wearing Danny boy

Posted by: Skins In Sichuan | October 4, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, Sichuan.

They're not saying it to sell papers, they're saying it to jinx us!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 4, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Yea that sounds like a jinx statement to me, the biggest matchup is going to be their wr's vs our secondary.

Posted by: SAK | October 4, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

hopefully our front 4 can get some pressure on kitna. we're gonna need as much help in coverage as possible..

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

You know we've had a lot of long passes this year of which some were dropped and some were poorly thrown. This is signature Gibbs. What cracks me up is all the folks trashing our offensive schemes. We just are not that good right now. If we hit the pass to Moss vs the Gints...we're 3-0 and everybody's talking about what a great team we have. We are middle of the pack in the NFC. We need to get healthier and execute better as season progresses.

That said, I'd like to see us run for 250 yds and control the clock about 70% of the game.

Hail Skins!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 4, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

as for the conservative play calling.. let's not forget that soups has only had 11 starts up here.. & the o-line has been patched together... let's start w/ portis, use betts in the 2nd & 3rd quarter to get him in a rythym and wear down their soft defense, and have portis fresh to bring it home in the 4th...

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

SAK,

I think the biggest matchup will be our Dlines ability to get pressure on the QB. They pass alot and have given up the most sacks in the league.

If we can get pressure from our line and stay in a nickel package or man keeping L2 in coverage we will be much better.

If we have to gamble by bring linebackers and safeties we will be in trouble.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

get pressure on kitna, control the clock, and take your shots downfield... have faith... Hail!

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Trick play that worked recently?

How about just before halftime at the Iggles game? Right after the first (or was it second) clock management debacle.

worked for 6.

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think the biggest matchup is our O-Line against their D-Line & Blitz.

That's what will control the tempo of the game, and thereby our success or failure.

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

True enough, Dik. Controlling the line of scrimmage is the most important aspect of any game. That and turnovers!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 4, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you are correct in your assessment of the playcalling. Gibbs has adamantly stated as much on both Redskins Radio and The Joe Gibbs Show. Gibbs said that he and Saunders develop the game plan together and that he may add some plays at that time - and that he can suggest some plays during the game as well - but that Al is running the show.

Posted by: Lisa | October 4, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

this is kitna we are talking about... the same dude who was dumped by cinci to bring in akili smith.. the guy has talent, and can make the throws, but if he gets rattled he tends to make mistakes, kinda lake a jake plummer... I mean he can beat you with a good supporting staff, but if you get in his grill & get him frustrated he'll throw it up for grabs (now whether we hold onto the pick that's a different story).. as for lions dropping 34points in the 4th qrtr against the depleted bears def. it didn't help that the bears offense turn the ball over 3 times in that qrtr.

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Well...

If we did a trick play EVERY play then a ho-hum run up the middle or a 'safe' pass would then BECOME the trick play. They'll never see it coming. I can just see the Lions game now:

LB Paris Lenon: "Watch the trick play... flee flicker, hook and ladder, watch that reverse, don't bite on the HB Pass...

CB Kenoy Kennedy: "OH SJK ITS A 5 YARD OUT! I'M SO BEAT. SJK, THEY SCORED!"

Super-Smart, is it not?

Posted by: Dorf | October 4, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cos, long time no blog ;-]

I'm diggin' snik lately, lol.

Hail Bruthers

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Am I the in the majority or the minority when I say that I dont want to hear ANYTHING that Joe Gibbs has to say?Still love and respect him as our commander and chief,but I dont wanna hear how great our opponent is every week.And another thing,I HATE those shots they show of him everytime we're going for a game winning or tying field goal.We're fans,we're SUPPOSED to be nervous like that,but YOU'RE THE HEAD COACH,you,ve watched this guy kick all week in practice,you should'nt be hoping and wishing with us!I don't know,maybe its just me.

Posted by: dawglbs | October 4, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Its not Kitna I'm worried about... its Martz's offense. He made Kurt Warner look like a God. Look at the Rams (0-4)now that he is gone. Bulger is benched (a little beat up too) and their offense is averaged 9.4 pts a game. Ufta!

Posted by: Dorf | October 4, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Dik...very busy.

dawglbs, I hear ya, but as I recall Gibbs has always been this way.You would of thought the old NO Saints were the greatest team in the history of the NFL the week we played them, despite their fans wearing bags on their heads for numerous seasons. Used to crack me up, ususallybecause we were winning most of the time.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 4, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"their offense is averaged 9.4 pts a game."

I have just officially resigned as a middle school reading teacher.

ME FAIL ENGLISH? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE!

Posted by: Dorf | October 4, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

snik, they brought in Carson Palmer when Kitna was QB. His rook season was the season Kitna went off. Then the next year they started Palmer.

Posted by: Zebra | October 4, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

dawglbs.

You are not alone, although his pressers don't seem to bother me as much after a win... imagine that.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 4, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't bogart my lines Dorf.

Posted by: Ralph Wigum | October 4, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

zebra.. I stand corrected.. i guess palmer was a bit of an upgrade to akili smith& kitna (both world beaters).. is it me or does kitna look like billy corigan from the smashing pumpings?? sunday is the greatest day Ive ever had (until I throw 3 picks and the lions are back to being the lions)

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

martz looks like mrs. doubtfire

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I love smashing and pumping.

Posted by: Merv Da Perv | October 4, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I had a scary thought last night:

Bill Belicheck: Defensive guru who had a failed attempt his first time around coaching. Been in football his whole life. Father was an NFL coach.

Wade Philips: Defensive guru who had a failed attempt his first time around coaching. Been in football his whole life. Father was an NFL coach.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

phillips had a few winning seasons in his previous stint. i belive he took buffalo to the playoffs on year.. he ended up being replace by grwilliams. either way f*K dallas.. steers and queers

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

just killing time here . . . if Norval was head coach in New England starting this Sunday, do the Pats make the playoffs?
Mike Wise Listed as Questionable.

Posted by: Skins In Sichuan | October 4, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

G'morning. Few thoughts after catching up:

1. Half time adjustments. Not to be an apologist for Gibbs, but aren't the coordinators who actually call the plays/alignments the ones who should be doing the adjusting at half time (and anticipating the opponent's adjustments)? [I had this thought based on Kitna's comment about Marinelli and Martz ... even though Gibbs is nominally the head coach, he is not a head coach/coordinator, he's a head coach/GM. Marinelli is a head coach/coordinator.]

2. Is it really true that McCardell is going to be returning punts? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Isn't there a corner who returned punts in college?

3. My extra ham sandwich dependent on Norv's replacement ... I'm wasn't trying to be odd, but the Chargers LB coach is Ron Rivera who was Chicago's defensive coordinator last season (and missed out on head coach interviews because of that little inconvenience called the Super Bowl). Given that Norv was leftovers anyway, my guess is that getting Rivera on staff was an insurance policy. Also, if Pete Carroll's job demand is that he also gets to be head coach, he's saying he doesn't want the job b/c A.J. Smith seems like he has that owner's confidence.

4. Joe Gibbs' press conference statements about Sean Taylor wheel injury ... implicit confirmation of earlier rumor/scare by postgameheroes.com? Let's roll the tape.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I agree Skinz we do need to get L2 or taylor in the backfield a little more, but against a pass happy team it could hurt our secondary, our front 4 need to put pressure on kitna so we dont have to use coverage guys to get pressure, but I would love to see L2 put a nice hit on kitna.
HAIL

Posted by: SAK | October 4, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Oops re: Pete Carroll ... he said he'd be HC if he could also be GM.

Mr. Carroll, I knew Joe Gibbs ... Joe Gibbs was a friend of mine ... Mr. Carroll, you are no Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

sween,

Not to be anti-Gibbs (HA) but if we're going to say that the head coach isn't responsible for half-time adjustments, then we need to take a time machine back to the 80's, strip Gibby of that nickname during that time period, and hold a ceremony for all of his old offensive coordinators where we deem them "Mr. Second Half Adjustment" guy.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 4, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only person freaked out by the Pepsi commercial with the Cowboys (Wade Phillips, Romo, Jerry Jones)? The part with Wade Phillips tongue is just gross.

Posted by: Lisa | October 4, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

from yesterday - sue me; i'm slow;;;

Not saying he is not an effective coach, just not aggressive as he used to be

zebra

I agree.

please tell me a garden gnome is riding on this pool

posted by: Dorf | October 2, 2007 11:29 PM

I actually sent a garden gnome to the WaPo last winter to be put next to the SnowCam (ahem!) measurement device. Cindy saw it and said it was cute as a button. She then gave it to some editors - or whatevers - and they refused to put it next to the SnowCam MD. She said that I could get it back but when I wrote to said whatevers, they never responded.

I should call Mulder and Scully to see if they can find it in some dusty corner of the vast WaPo storage warehouse. The pool winner gets the gnome.....

Posted by: charlie | October 4, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

just killing time here . . . if Norval was head coach in New England starting this Sunday, do the Pats make the playoffs?

Gawd, no. Of course not. Norv isn't capable of making a ham sandwich. Unless he's just doing the play calling on that: 'Ham slice! Ham slice! Mayo. Mayo. More Mayo! Lettuce."

Definite Sous Chef only that one.


Posted by: Megskin | October 4, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Lisa I thought I was the only one that caught that!He has a grandpa with dentures eating cream corn thing going on there.

Posted by: dawglbs | October 4, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

my gut tells me that the skins will have a new stadium in DC before the WR get another catch in burgendy.

Posted by: 35332 | October 4, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

RickyB, recognizing I probably should drop this (but not - quite - being - able - to - avoid - responding - when - someone - responds - directly), but the mid-80s head coach formerly known as Joe Gibbs was a head coach/offensive coordinator. I pretty sure Don Breaux's job back then was mostly to talk with that funny N'wawlins drawl.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen anyone mention it yet but Sean Taylor tweaked his knee on a punt return play in the Giants game. He limped off the field rather gingerly. If anyone has it on Tivo please go back and take a look. Pretty sure it was in the 1st half. I remember sitting there saying to my wife "what the hell is Sean Taylor doing covering punts? That's how you get him hurt."

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Also, if we're still going to pick belly button lint about the Giants game, I'm thinking the 21 points run up in the second half were just as, if not more, brutal than than the inability to score again after putting up 17 points. Does the mid-80s Joe Gibbs also get credited for DEFENSIVE half-time adjustments? [My subtext here is drop a little poop on Gregg Williams.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I like the way sween sticks to his guns. Props on the "Raiders having more int's" comment yesterday BTW.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

bigfish, Sean Taylor plays on every defensive play, including defensive special teams (FG block, PAT block, kick offs, and punt return teams).

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=285742

Everyone panic. Also we're out of coffee.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

sween,

Good point. I definitely stand corrected.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 4, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

sween, Am I the only one that finds that disturbing? I don't want to see him out there covering punt returns. Seems like that's an easy way to get one of your best players hurt. Put Fox out there or Lloyd, Brandon.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

bigfish, it was the vitriol here that has taught me to defend my points if they have legs, and lay down my arms (and quickly) when someone shows me I'm wrong. No one likes a quitter or a homer.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Thank Gibbs the blog is back!

Godfrey DANIELS, that's good news.

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

the injury to the receiver was cleared up by bubba tyer. originally gibbs said it was a kick to the shin, tyer then cleared it up and said blloyd has a sprained vagine.

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'll keep SeanTay on special teams, puhleeze. (cut to image of block kick return against Dalluz).... [:-|

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

With Sean Taylor, the paragon of "lust for mayhem," I'm guessing he actually prefers special teams defense over regular defense. Nothing spells mayhem like special teams defense. It has to be a balance: feeding the hungry beast vs. protecting the asset. I remember something about Sean Taylor explaining (or some other team's offensive coordinator or WR talking about it) that he relaxes his whole body so that it becomes dead weight just prior to the hit. I don't think its so much of a risk that he would get hurt tackling, just that he might pull a muscle running or turning or something. I also don't expect that a special teams blocker is going to want to upset Sean Taylor with some cheap shot.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Dik, I may be wrong but I don't think The Reaper blocked that kick.

In the words of BBM - "Block that kick!, Block that kick!"

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I guess I'll just have to keep biting my nails every time I see him covering punts/kicks. I'm all for the "Lust for Mayhens" but I was pi$$ed when I saw him limp off the field after a punt return.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

BigFish - SeanTay did the runnin after the blockin' ;-] w/o him on Special Teams- no field goal attempt to win and we loose to Dallas. Ew.

Do you people realize that if we had lost that game my GF would have made me wear a Dallas Jersey to XMas & ThxGvn?!?

Tragedy averted thanks to mah 'cane SeanTay!

That's amazing that he goes limp like a drunk before a crash...wacky.

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, great article about the Skins' secondary. Reading that, its making me think that the Skins might NOT do the cover-3 thing (i.e., the bit about jamming off the line of scrimmage). Rogers in particular is probably better in man coverage than zone, and having him jam his guy is probably more effective than risking the down field coverage ... you know, to keep the receiver from doing the storied "double move," which you just can cover against ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I was watching the Colts/Bronco's game the other night, and saw that Champ Bailey was on the kickoff-coverage unit. Its not uncommon for starters to be on special team units.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 4, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, i think Smoot is def better in man coverage than zone. He is not a great tackler but stays with guys. Our regular 3 deep zone requires playing off the ball and making the takle at the catch. conceding the 3 yards.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

He said he will be fine though, he is pretty reckless with his bady so injuries are going to happen. Either way we need him to have a big game, with calvin having a bad back I dont see them sending him in the middle.

Posted by: SAK | October 4, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification on the teams play fellas. I guess I never realized he was out there until I saw him get hurt.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, that conceding of the 3 yards IS brutal, but its better than conceding 20. And those three yards always seem to be some little dump over the middle. This is the nut that Grilliams (or Blache or the new guy LB coach) needs to crack. I dunno if its the MLB or the SS or the WLB that need to stop that up, or a DL tip, but as long as its only 3 yards, and not 3.333333333 yards, then it means a fighting chance to force the punt. Cover-3 feels real conservative (and demands more from the line and the linebackers), but we got burn deep SO MUCH last year, that it seems like the only available medicine this season.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I still get the willies about nearly havin' to wear that jersey.

I'm trying to come up w/ a plausible & good bet for this year's series. Ideas?

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

troy vincent blocked the kick... he was here for sooo long, and a core skins guy.

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"I still get the willies about nearly havin' to wear that jersey.

I'm trying to come up w/ a plausible & good bet for this year's series. Ideas?"

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 11:26 AM

This gray star makes me look fat.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

snik - I hope that was sarcasm. Hard to determine that on a blog sometimes.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on the 3 yards Sween. My point was only that in his system sure tackling is important from your corners. Smoot isn't much of a tackler and I worry about the 3 yard pass turning into 35 yards.

Posted by: Skinz | October 4, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"Cover-3 feels real conservative (and demands more from the line and the linebackers), but we got burn deep SO MUCH last year, that it seems like the only available medicine this season."

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 11:25 AM


I'm being extra sensitive to loser talk as long as we have a record of .500 or above. Mind the loser talk, sweenie!

Attack, you idiots!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 4, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Should have said "super sensitive." My Gibbspeak has tailed off somewhat.

[half-hearted cackle]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 4, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I never knew the game had a "name".

"The "Hand of God" game occurred on November 5, 2006 at FedEx Field when the Redskins won through a most unusual series of events. With the game tied 19-19, Redskins kicker Nick Novak missed a 49 yard field goal attempt, turning the ball back to Dallas on downs. The ensuing plays, in turn, set up for Dallas' Mike Vanderjagt, the most accurate kicker in NFL history, to try for a 35-yard field goal with 6 seconds remaining. The kick was blocked by Redskins' safety Troy Vincent and picked up by the Redskins' Sean Taylor. Taylor returned the kick to the Cowboys' 44-yard line with no time left on the clock. However, the Cowboys' Kyle Kosier committed a 15-yard facemask penalty on Taylor during the return, which caused the game to be extended by one untimed down. Some analysts and fans disputed the call as it appeared to be an incidental facemask. From 47 yards out, Nick Novak made the game winning field goal to send the Cowboys back to Dallas with an unexpected loss. The trajectory of the kick would have taken it wide right, as with the earlier missed attempt. However, in mid-flight the kick clearly veered back to the left as though it had been redirected by the "Hand of God." "

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

bigfish... that was a total wise acre remark i made.. hail!!

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Why does Gibbs always come across as being afraid of the other team? If your leader shows weakness then the troops will more than likely follow and vice versa.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2007/10/gibbs_lions_more_aggressive_th.html

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think gibbs kinda uses this as the old ropa-a-dope.. he knows how the skins have played tough over the years when we are the underdog, and how we take teams too lightly when we are favored...

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It was a season of milagros against the Cowgirls . . . much better than the Frerotte "headbutt" game which would provide an eerie forecast for the 2006 World Cup Final (as I predicted at the time, the connection between Gus-Bus and Zizou being clear to me as early as 1997)

Posted by: Skins In Sichuan | October 4, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

article on pft (i know).. has andy reid possibly moving to the front office before the season is over & Marty Morningwig (spelling) taking the reins as head coach... my bet is that he'll make it through the season and call it quits b-4 2008

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think reid wil make it through the season too, this stuff went on last season too if I remember correctly.

Posted by: SAK | October 4, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I think it was Britney Spears who kicked him in the shin. She was drunk, couldn't see, heard somebody rapping, and thought it was Kevin Federline.

Posted by: BT | October 4, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I was watching the Colts/Bronco's game the other night, and saw that Champ Bailey was on the kickoff-coverage unit. Its not uncommon for starters to be on special team units.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 4, 2007 11:18 AM

True, but I've heard more than a few bronco fans and radio guys question the wisdom in this. Bailey's out there because the Broncos special teams have been brutal on coverages.

Posted by: skinswest | October 4, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If I had one wish for the Skins' it would not be for a GM, or Belly-Chick or any other stuff that's talked about.

I WISH JOE GIBBS WOULD SAY TO HIS TEAM...WE'RE BETTER THAN THEY ARE AND WE ARE SHOULD KICK THEIR AZZ.

All this "Gee golly"..."they've got a good football team over there crap" would make me sick. We have the potential to beat any team (maybe except the Patriots)

Posted by: sicwidit | October 4, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

PDX down in the 40's already!

We're still hitting mid 90's everyday here in the DFDub.

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The receiver has been downgraded to terrible because of a sprained vagine

Posted by: Dixie Normus | October 4, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

one hour til jasno chat

Posted by: dept of chat info | October 4, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs calling his team better? See Joey Porter's comments before the Raiders game.

Let's play possum until we actually win something, ok?

Posted by: Dik | October 4, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry RC but Joey Porter looks like even more of an arse after that "guarantee"

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"... Glad it was you beating me in fantasy this past weekend. It was easier to take that last-minute defeat from your team, somehow."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 3, 2007 10:57 PM

To the Honorable Gentleman in the PDX, I respectfully submit that "stop the opposing offense from making big plays" is MUCH less "loser talk" than certain other text posted heretofore (aka, "losing is swell when its YOU that's whipping me" *** hugs ***).

Along the same lines, "Skins can beat anyone (except the Patriots)" constitutes "loser talk by caveat".

In other news, upset game of the weekend could be Buccs over the CLOTS (in Indy!), mostly b/c Indy is more injured than Buccs. Myself, I'm still sticking with Indy, but only b/c of my conservative/loser thinking, but if my pool had a spread, I'd take the Buccs.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

anyone actually going to fedex on sun?

Posted by: sniksder | October 4, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

sween, my money is on the Saints. David Carr should have a horrible game.

As for the Bucs, with no running game Freeney is going to have a big day.

Posted by: Zebra | October 4, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, I also had the Saints (primarily b/c I STILL can't figure out why they've been sucking so badly), but I think I assumed that that wouldn't be considered an upset.

I know about Cadillac being done, but Addai is out too. Plus there are big injury question marks all over the place, including Marvin Harrison and Bob Sanders.

Back to the Lions and my loser talk, there is NOTHING to like about a 6'1" 310 pound fullback blocking for Kitna. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/SPORTS01/710040407/1049

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing not to like about a 6'3" 284lb Beast fullback either. Just sayin...

Posted by: bigfish | October 4, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

beep beep!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

RickyB, recognizing I probably should drop this (but not - quite - being - able - to - avoid - responding - when - someone - responds - directly), but the mid-80s head coach formerly known as Joe Gibbs was a head coach/offensive coordinator. I pretty sure Don Breaux's job back then was mostly to talk with that funny N'wawlins drawl.

Posted by: dcsween | October 4, 2007 10:56 AM

Dan Henning was the OC.

Posted by: Henning rides again | October 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

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