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We had a very limited window to watch today's practice, which is really just a walkthrough. Did not have a chance to see if CB Shawn Springs (back) was definitely out there but he told me earlier in the week he expects to be able to play.

I have a feeling RG Randy Thomas (torn triceps) will be back Thursday, while WR Antwaan Randle El (hamstring) was in full gear too and seemed to be running okay. FB Mike Sellers (back) was on the practice field for the first time in weeks and I imagine he is going to play by all means possible Thursday. WR James Thrash (high ankle sprain) was not in pads and he could miss his fourth straight game.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 4, 2007; 3:58 PM ET
 
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We already have a Left Tackle prospect - Heyer
We already have a SAM LB prospect - Blades
We already have our RB of the Future prospect - Mason

Our #1 goal should be getting a tall receiver as I have stated over the past month. Campbell doesn't seem to do well throwing to anyone under 6'......

4th


Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 04:00 PM

Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th,
I was going to make the same observations.
Let's not forget Espy too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure it's the height of the receiver that's Campbell's problem. Dude's just inaccurate. Some of those passes would be over Manute Bol's outstretched arms. (And a good thing because Manute would get badly decked by an NFL safety.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

4th, I posted similar points to the first two you did above. Not totally in agreement about Mason, however, LOL.

If I had to guess, I'd say, DL/OL/WR would be our first 3 picks, and not in that order either. Looking at what KC, and Denver have done this year with undrafted running backs, I'm unsure that the Redskins need to use a draft pick on one.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I excited to see how well Espy does coming off the injury next year.

Posted by: jdixon35 | December 4, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hester is white? Wow, I honestly didn't know that. Hopefully he won't become another Touchdown Tommy Vardell.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to the hamsters for mentioning Fudge 'Ums and Manute Bol in the same day. I have a massive craving for cubes of poop right now. Delicious! So much better than Oreo Pizza.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Jansen is done. Samuels is getting there.
Blades is a "Mike" linebacker.
Wade is a backup.
Heyer is still a question mark.

The needs list is about where, not when. Each hole has to be prioritized. DE/FS/CB/WR are the highest needs.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

talent speculator
I actually agree with you for once. Not sure it's all about the WR's height. I mean, I never saw Delhomme overthrow S.Smith on a consistent basis nor do I see Brady overthrowing Welker alot either.
gregmarino
I actually like that draft order that you put down. Later rounds should go for depth at CB and OL again.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to talk about the draft (though I guess I got sucked in a little), I'd rather save it for the off-season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to talk about the playoffs, but since that's a pipe dream...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Tafka, agree to disagree.

Heyer has been more than just a backup when he's been in there. Give him some time in the weight room, and more experience and I'd be he's going to turn out well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - I responded to your post about blitzing but the blog ate it. They have stopped blitzing because of the injuries and losses in the secondary. The linebackers are dropping into coverage to help out. (Similar to 2006.)

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Stumped
This typically is the off-season for Skins fans. No different this year.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey tafka, you are right on the HB Blades, he's a Mike, and Wade is a lifer at backup, but Heyer's done a pretty solid job for an undrafted rookie. And, I mean, aren't all prospects right outta college question marks? Its not like Heyer's started 12 games this year, he's been in and out, whenever Wade is hurtin they put in Heyer. Plus, hasn't Heyer suffered enough? What did Smoot dub him? Wasn't it the ugliest man award (Brian Richardson or something)? Man that sucks!

Posted by: tweedr01 | December 4, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Gregmarino - I agree that Heyer has looked good, but both Samuels and Jansen are near the end, career-wise. The team needs two young tackles who can run- and pass-block.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Man, it still feels like Samuels was drafted a couple years ago. How old is he now, 30, 31? I still think he's got a few good years left, lets see if he can be our next Ray Brown!

Posted by: tweedr01 | December 4, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

everything starts at the LOS. first priority is to get younger and more talented at the OL. even brady and manning struggle when they're running for their life or getting drilled in the backfield.

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to talk about the playoffs, but since that's a pipe dream...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 04:14 PM

Finishing the sentence...

I'll talk about a "massive craving for cubes of poop...and Oreo Pizza."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

our failure to address the d line this past off season is critical and will only continue to grow as griffin deteriorates physically and daniels slows even further.
montgomery and golston make nice feel good stories but neither looks to be an impact player consistently.
evans is rotational at best
only carter can generate any kind of pass rush and far too often he takes himself out of the play.
until the d line can on their own generate a consistent pass rush for 4 quarters we will see defensive meltdowns and lost leads in the second half. it is so basic you wonder what the front office is thinking... oh yes, i recall now, gibbs said our d line was fine during the off season.. rubbish !

Posted by: seltzer | December 4, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how someone could make oreo cookies nasty, but Dominos found a way...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

In deference to the salary cap issues, what the Redskins should do is scour the lesser conferences (WAC, CUSA and whatever they call the Mountain West these days) and sign the best undrafted offensive linemen available after the draft. Send them all to Joe Bugel and let him make NFLers out of them.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Samuels was drafted the same year as LaVar (1999, 2000?). If we are talking about players to replace, how about we not start with our Pro Bowlers? Just a thought...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

tweedr01--Remember that Samuels was drafted #3 and Arrington #2. That seems like a thousand years ago, at least in dog years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

until the d line can on their own generate a consistent pass rush for 4 quarters we will see defensive meltdowns and lost leads in the second half. it is so basic you wonder what the front office is thinking... oh yes, i recall now, gibbs said our d line was fine during the off season.. rubbish !

Posted by: seltzer | December 4, 2007 04:21 PM

Thankyou, I was wondering when somebody was going to bring that up. I guess you can't blame Gibbenstein for that either.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Samuels was drafted in 2000. So he's 28/29 age range. Not sure he's ready to be put out to pasture just yet.

Taking into consideration that Samuels barely played in the pre-season due to a knee injury, I'd say he's had a good year.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Samuels has been getting beaten like a drum lately. When a tackle slows down, either move them inside (Ray Brown-style) or shown them the door. Campbell overthrows mostly because he is hurried and can't follow through.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i say bring back lavar as a 3rd down pass-rush specialist. move springs to FS in the offseason. use one draft pick for the d-line, and concentrate the rest on upgrading on OL and WR. Just a thought..

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sameuls has at least a good 5-6 years left. All the great LT play well thorugh their upper 30's. Blades is listed as the back up to the Mike, but he will end up replacing Marcus Washington in a year or 2......

Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The D is still number ten in the league. Line's not great, but they looked better before we lost Rogers and Taylor. They weren't our most pressing need in the offseason.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Samuels has at least 3 more good years left. I think with the addition of a OG in the 2nd or 3rd round, the depth along the O Line next year will be impressive. The bigger issue is the D line. But whose to say that Evans can't start if given the opportunity. And maybe Wilson will get better and gain some more weight. But D line is the biggest factor without question.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that defense starts with pressure from the line so it would be better to get a talented pass rusher in the draft, the secondary needs a lot of help as well. I would use the first pick to take the most talented DE or FS on the board. With multiple needs, it would be stupid to target just one position in the first round and reach for a less talented player just because he plays DE.

Posted by: kreitman4 | December 4, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Blades is too short to play the Sam spot full-time. QBs will just loft it over his head.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Right Way
Blades is way too small to take over at OLB.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

psps - If you move Springs to FS, you will need TWO cornerbacks in the draft - one for Springs, one for Rogers.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

i don't know, i saw campbell running for his life the other day and CP being hit 2 yards in the backfield the entire game. this o-line is struggling. yes they have talent, but it means nothing if they can't stay healthy enough to be on the field at the same time. i would put that as the biggest factor right now

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

i say bring back lavar as a 3rd down pass-rush specialist


Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 04:27 PM


I got an idea!! While we're at it, let's bring back a head coach who was good when he left as well and then...oh....wait...nevermind.

Posted by: cej75024 | December 4, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

well i was banking on rogers coming back 100%, or close to it. and to me, these no-name cb's are playing pretty well right now. it didn't seem to me that they were the ones being torched the last couple weeks. that's fallen on more veteran players (springs vs. TO).

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

until the d line can on their own generate a consistent pass rush for 4 quarters we will see defensive meltdowns and lost leads in the second half. it is so basic you wonder what the front office is thinking... oh yes, i recall now, gibbs said our d line was fine during the off season.. rubbish !

Posted by: seltzer | December 4, 2007 04:21 PM

I thought that the problems in the second half had more to do with the offense shutting down than with the defense breaking down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too confident we are going to be any better next year no matter who we draft. I'm afraid we are back to rebuilding again fellas. We might as well go ahead an get the process started with the guy that is going to have the team for a while (whoever that may be).

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, sense "Redskins" seems to be so offensive why not go ahead and change the name to the "Washington Rebuilders". It seems to be what we do best!

I'm not hating people. It's just a game and these are only jokes ;)

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

i originally posted the lavar thing as sarcasm, but the more i read it, the more i think "why not?" he knows he's not the superstar anymore, he wouldn't cost that much (nobody would be willing to pay him more than the vet. minimum). he loves dc and this team. he probably still has his athleticism, if he rehabs right. why not give it a shot? when the eagles took back trotter, he was still productive for a couple years. lets do the same for lavar.

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

You might as well say he is too short to play middle as well. You see how they throw the ball over LFB's head all the time??

4thFloor

Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Also, sense "Redskins" seems to be so offensive why not go ahead and change the name to the "Washington Rebuilders". It seems to be what we do best!

I'm not hating people. It's just a game and these are only jokes ;)

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 04:40 PM

That was a joke? You need new material.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ON paper, Springs to free safety and Lavar a pass rusher seems great, until they get hurt. We MUST get younger.

Marcus - gone
Portis - gone
Moss - gone
Jansen - gone
Daniels - gone
Springs - gone

Anybody remember Betts? He's a starter on most teams, runs hard, and costs us nothing. Rock backs him up. He can break tackles and runs hard and is passionate. Can't say that about Moss and Portis

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 4, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Well that's what I THOUGHT, but once again I'm wrong. The Redskins have outscored their opponents 115 - 105 in the first half. The opponents have outscored the Redskins 152-108 in the second half.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

TA, good point. Perhaps if the Offense starts to carry their end of the deal, sustaining drives, scoring more points, the trickle down effect is seen in how well the defense plays.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If Carlos can come back from his injury, he won't be 100% until 2009. Don't look for much from him in 2008.

The defense in the second half has been giving up the points that allow the other teams to win. The defense isn't making plays because there is no rush from the line (and no pressure on the QB).

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Previous attempt seem to have been deleted by god, so I repeat.

Before we draft another player, I think management needs to give some serious though to real incentive-based contracts. Ideally, I'd love to see a two-tiered contract. Tier I for games started, and tier II for games a player does not start (or make a significant contribution, etc).

The fact is that we do not get the maximum effort from our team, and we haven't for a long time. The next time a Skins receiver thinks he shouldn't play, because "something's just not right," or because they have a "tweaked" hammy, they should get a tier II check that makes them seriously consider whehter or not they really can't play. This would also give the coaching staff a little muscle to use with today's players - if they're not going to perform, coaches can sit players and make it mean something.

Just my two cents. I'm just tired of all the nonsense injuries and miss the days when a receive like Gary Clark would play with two bad hamstrings, and Riggo would come out of traction in the hospital to play. Until the Skins front office/coaching staff figures out a way to get the most for their money it won't matter who we draft.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

This next year talk is depressing.
I'm beginning to realize how far away from being great we really are right now.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

dont get started on this betts for portis debate again. you can fault CP for some things, but a lack of passion is not one of them.

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

dbowen, was that a serious post?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

You might as well say he is too short to play middle as well. You see how they throw the ball over LFB's head all the time??

4thFloor
Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 04:41 PM

But being that small at OLB would make him ineffective when needed to blitz. And generally OLB's blitz more than MLB. He wouldn't be able to take on OL or for that fact bigger RB, TE's, and FB's on a consistent basis.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

LaVar couldn't play disciplined for Gregg Williams before and he left with a lot of bad will, sueing the Redskins and sticking up for an agent who was barred for incompetence. Even if he could rehab, it seems pretty unlikely that he'd be welcomed back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What are your thoughts on picking up Ed Reed?

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 4, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Reed-Landy would sound nice. Not as nice as Taylor-Landry, but it'd still sound nice.

Anybody? Anybody?

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 4, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ed Reed would be great - if there was no salary cap.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What are your thoughts on picking up Ed Reed?

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 4, 2007 04:49 PM

No more high-priced free agents. They haven't worked out.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

dbowen11
I would give Moss one more year to prove he can stay healthy for a full year. Let's not forget now, Cambpell overthrew Moss deep numerous times this year. And I don't see Moss having another game like the one against GB. They just need to work together in the offseason to get a good feel for each other. Portis is a toss up. It's always good to have two capable backs, yet his contract numbers are an issue. I agree with all the others you listed due to cap numbers.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

does anyone else get the feeling that this whole Sean T. situation has cemented these core players as redskins forever. obviously taylor will always be remembered as a redskin, but don't you think that down the line when you think of taylor, you'll always think of this team and portis, moss and co. wouldn't it be weird seeing any of those guys on another team after this? or am i the only one that feels that way right now...

Posted by: psps23 | December 4, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Asante Samuel would be great - if there was no salary cap.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Just because you did it on Madden 07 doesn't mean it will actually work. He'll cost to much.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Ed Reed? Seriously? How in the world would the Redskins pull that off?

Also, incentive-laden deals are fantastic! If you can get a player to sign one...

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Just because you did it on Madden 07 doesn't mean it will actually work. He'll cost to much.

I mean whoever mentioned picking up Ed Reed.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

While it was nice to see Lavar, I think we'd be better served putting the time in with Chris Wilson, or a draft pick.

Too many injuries, and too much bad blood. Although, I'm hoping that perhaps given all that has transpired, he and Dan were able to bury the hatchet. No pun intended.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 4, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It's not a defensive problem at all. It's a lost Jansen,Thomas,Dock problem with a general WR problem. One TD a game makes us 10-6 or 11-5. Protect the QB and give him just one more receiver other than Santana or Cooley and we are exactly where we should be. Plus, learn the rules and get an OC who lets JC17 off the leash as well as managing the redzone offense.

Posted by: barrie.whipp | December 4, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What are your thoughts on picking up Ed Reed?

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 4, 2007 04:49 PM

About the same as my thoughts about picking up Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, and Andre Johnson. Let's do it!!!

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 4, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth and Chad Johnson would also be great if there was no salary cap. We need another Marty Schottenheimer type to come in and fire Cerratto and clean house. He went 8-8 with Tony Banks and a team of mostly no names. 8-8 looks pretty good now a days. Gibbs may only do it once in 4 years.

Posted by: cdubb | December 4, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Glimmer-of-hope idea for free agency:

1) Switch Springs to FS in 2008.
2) Let LaRon slowly learn the FS position in his spare time.
3) Sign SS Dawan Landry as a RFA in 2009 and let LaRon move to FS.

Landry/Landry sounds very good to me.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How about Champ Bailey, Aaron Kampman, Brian Westbrook, Randy Moss, and Jeremy Shockey?

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly, didn't the offense put up 20+ against the Boys and Eagles only for the D to give up an astounding number of big plays, mostly in the second half. The offense has been a problem, but don't take the defense off the hook. They need help.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Springs would not be a good safety, he gets hurt too much. LaRon is not as good of a free safety as a strong safety. He blitzes well, fights off blocks, and explodes through tackles.

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I was looking on the nfl.com site and JC is #21 QB by rating at around 77.

Better than Eli and Vince Young, and Brian Griese.

But worse than Jay Cutler, Rivers, Kyle Boller, McNabb, Pennington,
etc.

Never mind Romo and Garrard (100+ ratings).

Interestingly they list 3 3rd yr quarterbacks. JC is right in the middle between Derek Anderson and Alex Smith.

My point is it is fair to be cautious about QB spot as well. Some promise, but decidedly ambiguous results to date.

Posted by: cleary900 | December 4, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

How about Champ Bailey, Aaron Kampman, Brian Westbrook, Randy Moss, and Jeremy Shockey?

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 04:57 PM

And the icing on the cake...Tom Brady. Hell, bring in Bellicheat to coach while we're at it.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is that we have the owner who is willing to put his money where his mouth is to make it happen... you never know

Posted by: cdelftwenty | December 4, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

But, as all of us know, spending money doesn't win championships

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Marino,

Yeah I was serious. When was the last time you saw Portis make someone miss, or god forbid, break a tackle? A healthy line betts can run behind. He's proven that, so has Rock. How many games have Moss and Portis missed the past two years? I LOVE Marcus, but he can't cover, can't rush. We HAVE TO STAY AWAY FROM HIGH PRICED FREE AGENTS. PERIOD!!!!

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 4, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly, didn't the offense put up 20+ against the Boys and Eagles only for the D to give up an astounding number of big plays, mostly in the second half. The offense has been a problem, but don't take the defense off the hook. They need help.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 04:59 PM


EXCELLENT POINT...yet our D-coord. is first in line for Head Coach = SCARY!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

This stupid blog eats more posts than it puts up. Can't someone fix this damn thing?

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

dbowen11 - good point on CP. I'm not particularly a big Betts fan, but CP has absolutely lost a step. How fast do holes close on that guy?! And as much as I love his heart, he's proven over the past 3 years that he simply isn't a back to run people over. I say make him the fullback and just let him pass protect and look for yards on the ground elsewhere.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I have a question...why does Santana Moss always seem to fall down these days after making a catch? That guy seems to have lost the ability to make a cut/juke!

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

kmk,

Moss had a great game Sunday. You have to give him that.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Soup - definitely! Don't get me wrong, I love the guy. I'm just observing that he seriously is falling almost every time he makes a play. And I'm not just referring to the high throws JC makes. Just an observance, that's all.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

cleary900,

The other QB stat for Campbell to point out is that he is 10th in the league in passing yards but what's killing his QB rating is the 11 INTs compared to only 12 TD passes and 59.9% completion rate. 13 turnovers in the last 6 games by Campbell that JLC pointed out on Sunday is what is hurting his development right now. Then again, this is how a QB's development sometimes goes, as you learn from your mistakes.

Posted by: straub21 | December 4, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Moss - might have something to do with his iffy groin muscle problem. (The groin muscles allow you to change direction.)

Portis/Betts - both would be running for 100+ per game if they had some damn blocking in front of them. And neither of them are big enough to play fullback.

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I have a question...why does Santana Moss always seem to fall down these days after making a catch? That guy seems to have lost the ability to make a cut/juke!

Posted by: kmk1973 | December 4, 2007 05:08 PM
Well he still has a bad hammy, groin, and heel to contend with. It would be hard for me to do the electric bugaloo let alone juke somebody on the field with those injuries.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

tafka - good point on Moss. As for CP playing fullback, I meant that solely for passing downs. He is a fantastic pass blocker for a running back - you have to admit that. I agree on the O line - poor play has killed the running game. But CP is definitely getting caught from behind, and his holes close up on him real fast. He has definitely lost a step.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - you're a mere mortal. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

CP is not done!

There were no holes. He ran pretty well.

Kendell is hurt and is not playing well. That is most of the recent running problems not CP. Not counting the fumbles. Wade is also not doing well with the knee.

Posted by: mul | December 4, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - you're a mere mortal. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: kmk1973 | December 4, 2007 05:15 PM

Would a mere mortal be able to square dance? Or moon walk? I think not!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - I have no reply to that. You scare me.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Portis has probably lost a step, and young defensive backs and LBs are getting faster every year. Give him a line that can block and he is still an asset, however. He is a terrific blocker also - I wonder how long his body will hold up though. (He is not a very big guy to be taking on D. linemen and linebackers.)

Posted by: tafka | December 4, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It would have been better for the skins if Giants lost. I thought they were going to lose.

F U C K NE.

The did not convert 3 forth downs a the last drive and got bailed out by the Ravens, a fales start, and the refs.

If the Cards lost the skins would not have lost any ground last week.

3 wins and then Dallas backups at fed ex.

Posted by: mul | December 4, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm not a big Betts fan either, but 1000 yard rusher is a 1000 yard rusher, and we're PAYING HIM NOTHING. He stays pretty healthy, and does pretty well with screens, unlike CP. And seriously, Rock can carry the ball.

What's everybody think of Rocky? He's scary big now, but seems so much slower than last year. He seemed like the fastest guy on the field at times last year before he put on 40 lbs.

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 4, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

CP not done!

No holes.

Kendall hurt!!

Right side not good and Wade hurt. That was most of the O problems on Sunday.

Posted by: mul | December 4, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have outscored their opponents 115 - 105 in the first half. The opponents have outscored the Redskins 152-108 in the second half.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 04:43 PM

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Wow.

So how rare is it to outscore opponents in the first half, and be outscored in the second half? I bet it's pretty frigging rare.

Here's what I make of it: the first half, both teams are still running on what they prepared during the week, and beyond that on their long-term plan for the team. Here, the Skins do pretty well. And I do feel Joe and his minions have a clear-eyed sense of how to build a winning team.

Then, the second half. This is a more, uh, fluid environment. Changes, experiments, hunches. Thinking on the fly, under intense pressure and time constraints. We thought Joe 2.0 would thrive here. To the contrary, as it turns out. Here, a bunch of old men--especially old Joe and the not-quite-settled, not-quite-listened-to, not-quite-confident Al--are at a competitive disadvantage.

So assuming that basic dynamic, what conclusion to draw?

Gibbs still has the ability to plan--long-term, season-long plans and overall game preparation; but during the game, we'd win more games if he would just STFU.

AMAZING to say (at least for me, as big a St. Joe lover as any 47-year-old lifelong Skins fan could be), but we'd be in better shape if Joe Gibbs didn't even come to the stadium on Sundays.

He can help plan the team's roster and play during the offseason, he can help by giving an occasional motivational speech, but fergawdsakes, and for all the young Skins fans who don't have the precious memory of three SBs, give Gregg W a chance next year.

So where are the Skins at present? Edging in this direction, it seems.

Tom Boswell's column today put it like this: "it is unclear whether [Joe Gibbs] has any significant game-day responsibility at all except calling timeouts and deciding what to do on fourth down."

Even that may be too much, frankly. And I don't mean that as a snide throwaway--I'm stone-cold serious.

Bottom line: Joe still has a gift. He has built a good team. These guys play with heart, they play like a team, they've been competitive every game except one (I don't give them a pass for that, but sometimes things snowball--see Super Bowl 18 [F the Roman numeral pomposity]).

But Joe's gift no longer includes the stress and time constraints of gameday. If we can figure out a framework that lets Gregg and Joe work together, but gives Gregg gameday responsibility, that's what this Skins fan votes for.

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(Contrary view: This, of course, is how many Israelites felt round about year 37 in the wilderness. So maybe if we just give Moses/St. Joe more time, it will all come right in the end. One can hope.)

Posted by: farstriker | December 4, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

CP for Champ + DRAFT PICKS!! I knew Gibbs 2.0 was doomed as soon as that went down. Simply retarded.

Posted by: dbowen11 | December 4, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

kmk1973
Have you ever been injured playing a sport?

Posted by: mack1 | December 4, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree that gameday has passed St. Joe by. I too am 40-something and remember clearly the glory days. But think about it; our prime was '82-83 - - 25 years ago! The game has changed. Time for a new head coach. And I don't want Double-GG either. He can stay and coach the D. Please get us a young, agressive coach who realizes that it is the job of the offense to attack, to score, not to clock-watch. ANd maybe if we were scoring more than 1 TD a game, we'd have a little margin for error and every mistake - and they will happen - won't kill us. (Romo threw 6 INTs at Buffalo and they still won! You think Gibbs would leave JC17 on the field if he threw 6?!) Right now late in the game false start - dead; INT - dead; bad pass coverage - dead; back-2-back timeouts - dead! No margin for error. But put up 30 points a game and you can live with a mistake here and there. Please Uncle Dan, get us a young, agressive coach with an offensive mind, a nasty-ass defensive coach who wants to crush people, and a real GM to pick some starter-gem players late in the draft!

Posted by: dfleary | December 4, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

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