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Injuries and Leftover Thoughts

CB Fred Smoot had to miss part of Sunday's game with the hamstring injury, again, and at this point he figures it's going to dog him for the foreseeable future. He'll play with it this coming week, he said, but doubts he'll practice.

WR Santana Moss picked up a heel injury and he too says he will play, but for someone clearly already not 100 percent this isn't good news.

DT Cornelius Griffin said his back is still pretty sore and he's intent on playing. Weird how that happened during warm-ups. He's a guy they're really going to need against Westbrook this week.

We'll get a full injury update tonight after Coach Joe's presser.

As for some other ramblings:

Anyone else get the impression Sunday that Kellen Clemens already has a longer leash than JC? Now, sure, the Jets are 1-8 and they had nothing to lose so you go a little more all out, but in just his second start Clemens was getting to go hurry up more, he was in the shotgun a ton, they were putting the ball in his hands and letting him try to make plays. Again, the Jets don't have two highly paid running backs like the Skins and I get all of that, but I just found the contrasts kind of stunning.

As for JC, he needs to hit on a long one again soon. The two times he's overthrown Santana on those posts patterns have been significant and they need to stretch a defense soon. They're going to see a ton of Cover-2 zone with the corners in man - and even after that 300 yard rushing game I'm not sure some of the legit defenses they face coming up are going to sell out against the run right away.

Like we talked about last week, the loss of Carlos Rogers showed up most not on the outside, but in the slot. Springs moved outside, Smoot is still hobbled and the Jets found a lot of success on their hot reads against the blitz underneath from the slot receiver. They were particularly adept at picking on young LB Rocky McIntosh in coverage - the TE got him a few times on key third downs - and given that the Redskins also play a nickel base, it's going to put a lot of pressure on guys like safety Pierson Prioleau and McIntosh to read whether it's run or pass and make plays.

When DeWayne Walker was coaching the corners, I know he put a heavy emphasis on having a top corner - whether Springs or Smoot - in the slot a ton. It's a very tricky position to play and he wanted someone with elite athleticism and foot skills in there. And the Skins play nickel a ton. But after all of the deep balls the Skins gave up last year, the emphasis now is on having the best CBs possible on the outside to protect against stuff over the top, and that leaves the slot as a potential target for the opposition.

The New England game, and even the New York and Miami games to a lesser degree, showed how vulnerable the Skins can be on short passes to the flanks to running backs and some quick slants to inside receivers, and they will be put to the test on that in coming weeks against Philly, Dallas and Tampa.

Also, I think it will be really interesting to see how the defensive line holds up in the second half. They have not been nearly as potent the past few weeks and I have a feeling that like it or not Gregg won't be able to count on the four-man rush as much as he did in September. That in turn means more pressure on a Rogers-less secondary, and, again, the overarching principle with this defense this season is to make teams earn their points and to eliminate the big play pass at all cost.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 5, 2007; 2:11 PM ET
 
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Comments

hammies!

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Santana James Lloyd

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Has there been a Wayne sighting now that CP ripped off 200 yards?

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

JLC is right on the leash thang for those two QB'

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I saw the Ravens game where Clemens was starting his first game.

It's not about Jets with 1-7 record. he was given the same type of open playbook even against the Ravens early in the season.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Re Cindy's chat. Can someone explain to me what exactly Westbrook has done to make everyone want to make him active at DB? Yes he has a brother that is a Pro Bowl RB but we all know how the whole sibling experiment went with LBP.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think if Campbell starts hitting the receivers better and stops fumbling, then they lengthen his leash, whatever that means.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else get the impression Sunday that Kellen Clemens already has a longer leash than JC? Now, sure, the Jets are 1-8 and they had nothing to lose so you go a little more all out, but in just his second start Clemens was getting to go hurry up more, he was in the shotgun a ton, they were putting the ball in his hands and letting him try to make plays. Again, the Jets don't have two highly paid running backs like the Skins and I get all of that, but I just found the contrasts kind of stunning.

You answered your own question. One team is 1-8 and have nothing really to play for. JLC you dislike for this team is really getting old my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying it for a while we need to get a tall WR to help in the passing game.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

bigfish--

It's wishful thinking. The best player is always the one who's not on the field. Execept for Brunnell, of course.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You don't think being told "it's all in your hands, you run the offense" would give Jason a psychological boost then 'TheTalentEvaluator'?

I think he's being hamstrung by the lack of confidence shown in him at the moment. He's not really in charge, and the one thing I understand about football is that the quarterback MUST be in charge when the offense is on the field.

If you don't just let the guy play and find his groove, how will you ever know what you have?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

That's funny Jason, because I was just thinking "what could we be doing differently to be more like the Jets." I think you hit the nail on the head. Next year, maybe they'll listen to you and we, too, can start 1-9.

Westbrook has a lot of athleticism. That's why people like him. More than Torrence or, at this point, Macklin. Very good at playing the ball. I'd like to see him get a shot as the 4th corner as well. Needs to work on his tackling though and hopefully that is what he's been doing on the practice squad.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

looking around for Lisa. "The best player is always the one who's not on the field. Execept for Brunnell, of course". I agree with you 100% on that one.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JM, how could you interpret that as negative?
I think it's a valid contrast to make. It's not a dig against Jason, but it's a legitimate question to ask the coaches.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I know I may sound like a homer for saying this, but we could still end up at 13-3 for the regular season! What do you think Redskin faithful??? Also, Mr. Snyder: plz extend Sean Suisham for another year before we lose him in free agency.....THX!

Posted by: Bob2770 | November 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You answered your own question. One team is 1-8 and have nothing really to play for. JLC you dislike for this team is really getting old my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 02:49 PM


Your dislike for JLC is really getting old too.

See the comment about Jets-Ravens. Clemens was given a longer leash than Campbell ever was in his first start. Has nothing to do with the 1-7 record. When Clemens started against the Ravens, the Jets were 0-1 and playing 2nd game of the season.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

One last point about JC. With that line hell I don't want him dropping back a lot. He took some shots yesterday.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

Jasno is from Baltimore and, as such, was raised to have an inferiority complex when it comes to Washington, especially in sports. He can't help it, he doesn't even notice it, it is how he was raised.

You just have to read between the lines of his subconscious agenda. I would like someone with his reporting skills, a little more football knowledge, and more neutrality. That said, I will take Jasno over a fan of the team (myself included) any day.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

mmz114 you must be new. Since joining the blog I have been one of JLC biggest defenders. But the last couple of months his dislike for the front office/team has really taken some of the joy out of the blog.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

mmz114,

Uh...how'd that Ravens game work out for the Jets?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook has a lot of athleticism. That's why people like him. More than Torrence or, at this point, Macklin. Very good at playing the ball. I'd like to see him get a shot as the 4th corner as well. Needs to work on his tackling though and hopefully that is what he's been doing on the practice squad.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 02:51 PM

Where have you had the chance to see this? He's only played in the preseason against other players like him who are either on a practice squad or selling insurance right about now. The staff has done a wonderfull job in identifying young talent on the D so if he was doing better than Torrence or Eubanks I think he'd be playing right now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

LiberalMike last year and even over the summer it just seemed that his work wasn't so negative.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat--

I think they watch him every day in practice, and that's how they know what they've got.

As for "big psychological boost" I'd have to know the man much better than you or I do. It's not clear-cut. It might be too much pressure to have it all riding on him.

One thing's for sure: whatever the coaches decide -- who know him better and see him more -- they're sure to get criticized on this blog for not having made the opposite decision.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Soup hasn't been that great since the Detroit game. Some of that is the handcuffs some of that is on him.

Bigfish ref LBW.

It's called the Fudge'ems phenomenon. It runs rampant with skins fans. Who isn't on the field must be better than any player on the field.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

mmz114,

Uh...how'd that Ravens game work out for the Jets?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 02:57 PM

Works out with the Jets losing on the last play of the game after the recievers dropped 3 passes in the end zone that should have been caught for TDs.

Not unlike the drop in OT that would have put the Jets in FG range to beat the Redskins.

You know...a QB giving his team a chance to WIN!!!

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish,

Saw him play in college (I'm a Salisbury grad). Also, from the preseason (although that is a limited sample). And from Williams's and players' comments (whatever that is worth).

I'm not saying he's better than Torrence or Eubanks, just that he seems to have more athleticism (read: speed and quickness). His tackling was not NFL-ready in the preseason and that has to be the main thing putting him behind those two. I'm sure its justified, I'm not saying it isn't.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

What QB in the league truly has control over what plays are run other than BBM? Every other QB gets the plays called in from the sideline just like we do. On that note, has anyone seen Soup call an audible this year?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"You know...a QB giving his team a chance to WIN!!!"

Clemens also had multiple interceptions that day, so maybe they would not have been losing in the first place if they rained him in and played smart a-la-Gibbs.

If Campbell did not give us a "chance" to win this week, how is it that we did win? By definition he (and all the other players) must have given us a "chance."

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of derailing everything I'd like to compare contrast two things.

Last year both Dallas and Washington's offenses were going off the rails. Washington in both cases largely because of poor quarterback play.

The Big Fat Tuna's response was to put Romo in and let him loose. He told him to learn fast and not make mistakes twice but let him run the offense full speed from the get-go. He needed to find out if they were going to have to get a new QB after the season or not. Everyone knows how the season ended for them but at least it ended in the post-season, with no doubt as to the identity of the starting QB this season.

JJG's response was to seemingly 'grudgingly' put Jason on the field and immediately pare-down the playbook to "take the snap and hand it off to Ladell" for as many plays as possible.

Everyone expected this year to be different after a full off-season of coaching on Jason's technical flaws, many of which came as a surprise when he got on the field last year. Jason looked more poised at the start of the season, even looking good when scrambling, but to my non-expert eyes, looks less and less confident as the season has continued. He has some natural gifts which allow Washington to broaden and lengthen the field of play but they are seldom used and when they are used, if it doesn't work 100%, they aren't seen again in that game. And now the Redskins have announced their annual "give a running back a 1,000 yard season" drive where the instructions to Jason will be "take the snap and hand it off to Clinton/Ladell".

Does anyone here see a fundamental difference in philosophies here?

You just can't play football this conservatively and hope to win often enough to make a good season because you are playing against guys who ARE prepared to risk more in order to improve their chances of winning.

Jason Campbell may or may not be a very good quarterback, but there appears to be a diminishing possibility that Gibbs will ever be able to set aside his risk-aversion enough to find out. That's a shame.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Cindy's chat is hilarious.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Michael Wilbon: Boy, I don't know that I'm the model for discussion...I get too worked up, for sure. Anyway, I've long bought into the philosophy expressed by some coaches that "first you win, then you get good." Bobby Ross was the coach I first heard talk it, and I buy into it 100 percent. The Lions won a couple of games, now have won a couple convincingly, and now are confident they can't be stopped...They're good now. Let me tell you the one team the Redskins wouldn't want to see in a first-round playoff game...the DE-troit Lions.

Posted by: i155133 | November 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

A quick look at 17's numbers 2007
Games 8
Att 227
Comp 133
% 58.6
Yds 1520
yds per pass 6.7
TD-Int 6-7
Raiting 74.8

He is averaging 16-17 out of 28 for 190 yds and less then 1 TD a game.

With a strong running game I don't think thats too bad. but we have seen to manny games lately where he is not even getting past 150 yds. Obviously it would be nice to see him in the endzone more. But there needs to be some creativity in getting the pass game going.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon may want to take a look at our game against the Lions before saying something stupid like that. I thought he was better than that.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Look at the make shift line and you might get your answers. Jets had like what one sack coming into yesterday game and got one on JC and he took a couple hard hits as well. With this line I am not sure it would be a good idea to open up the O and get him hurt. Once that happens I am sure JLC and some of you that are calling for Gibbs let JC play will be blasting Gibbs.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

How many years was Romo on the bench before he played? Look, what's Gibbs record with making silk qb's out of sows' ears? Give the guy the benefit of the doubt on this one -- Campbell hasn't really shown much lately that would make me think he's ready for more responsibility.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I really wish some of you (including Jason) would just take a view and stick with it. The going whatever way the wind blows shows no heart.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Romo's career record against the Redskins anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

This has been the same story week after week, season after season...a team stuck in dismal mediocrity handicapped by a coaching staff that is abnormally, disfunctionally fixated on not making mistakes. Even if the Skins end up in the playoffs this year, this is a franchise that has flat-lined.

Posted by: bbake | November 5, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing

Portis struggles behind tattered o-line a couple weeks - why isn't betts playing

Big game for Randel El - why can't we run it better

Big game for Portis - why can't we pass it better

Glad I'm not Gibbs.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so much it has anything with the coaches knowing what they have in JC as it is a mental thing with Campbell knowing that Gibbs stresses conservative and not making turnovers to the point it impacts him just playing the game and making plays that he can with his off season work and understanding of the offense and just overall talent.
So many times Campbell seems to make the safe throw short of the sticks and kill a drive instead of the winning throw that he can make downfield, but fear that his actions could be the ones that cause that turnover to lose the game. Believe it or not there are other people out on these routes and those throws in the flat are quick first read and have become a predictable read for D's, the linebackers are all over that play in the flats.
Is it safe to say that if us as fans can read into Gibbs comments and philosophy that JC can as well. Gibbs since he has been back has stressed the QB and turnovers that it very well could have impacted each one of our QB's. JC has much more athleticism and ability than the others, but the offense and reads and effectiveness are all similar in execution.
If Gibbs believes his defense can hold and that is his reasoning for going conservative, believe in your quarterback to make plays and if he makes a mistake your defense can still bail him out, instead of the defense bailing us out and hoping another team does not execute we have seen it week after week NFL teams can execute in a tight game and continue to make plays.

Posted by: guy.simmons | November 5, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

They only loosen the leash on Campbell when they've dug themselves a hole. See Giants game. But he showed them that he can bring his team back See Giants game again. He made some unbelievable throws in that game, my point being that they need to put him in that position before digging themselves a hole. That is if the receivers catch the ball. Against the Eagles and Lions he was given some leeway as well. It's just that for some reason, the coaching staff keeps going back and slapping the cuffs on him for some odd reason. If he goes out there and throws 3 picks, fine, but he hasn't done so. It seemed he had more leeway last year than this year. That's strange...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing"

This question is still legit IMO.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

JM, the way I saw Jason play earlier in the season if he's allowed to go out of the pocket (if need be) he wouldn't be taking all these hits!

The passing plays they run are constraining your QB's natural gifts. Why would you do that willingly?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - I think it was a legit question as well, but a lot of the same people were pleading form the team to feature betts two weeks later and saying portis was done.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: RickyBobby | November 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing

Portis struggles behind tattered o-line a couple weeks - why isn't betts playing

Big game for Randel El - why can't we run it better

Big game for Portis - why can't we pass it better

Glad I'm not Gibbs.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 03:19 PM


The only beef I have with Portis has been his costly Fumbles in 2007. I have zero beef with him as a runner. In fact, I HATE betts for tripping in the backfield against the Giants.

People keep calling for Betts based on last year. This year Betts has done less than nothing.

Portis makes the tougher yards and blocks better...his only problem this year were the fumbles.

The problem with Gibbs is that he doesn't have the hogs to run it down opponents throat like in 2005 and go on a 6 game winning streak. This year he has 3 Hogs and 2 Piglets. Not 5 Hogs like in 2005.

We will find out against Philly when Jimmy Johson calls a lot of run blitzes how that running game responds.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby - what's the significance of that?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish not sure if you was one of the people last week that was calling for Betts and saying CP was done. I am sure Betts would have broken for at 350 yards yesterday since he hits the hole much faster than CP

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

jm, I was the one putting up an argument for CP and blaming the ruching woes on the o-line. I don't think you'll find me saying start Betts in place of Portis.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

ruching=rushing. Whatever.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't bigfish

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

For one I would like to see Campbell be able to go for 300 3 TD

Posted by: alex35332 | November 5, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

JM, I was one of the people who thought it might be a good game to give Betts a try and use Portis as the change-up back to get both of them running better. It's no coincidence that Portis' two best games have come against the two worst run D's in the NFL, so what does that prove either way?

I saw nothing from NYJ's non-existent run defense that says that Betts couldn't have been successful as well. AS successful as Portis? Who knows. Betts hasn't done much this year, but he also hasn't had the carries. You'll have a better idea if Portis is back if he keeps running free like he did yesterday.

I say he probably gets sub 100yds and 0 TDs, care to take the over? BTW, I still think you'll probably beat the Iggles next week as they won't stop Cooley!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, loseable type lost part of my post!

"You'll have a better idea if Portis is back if he keeps running free like he did yesterday against Philadelphia."

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell hasn't been what one might call accurate on ANY of his throws recently. Maybe that's part of the reason for the conservative game plan. Turning him loose at this point might be a total disaster.

Let him earn the right to throw more passes by hitting some receivers in stride and not overthrowing the long ball. Then again, the WRs haven't made a ton of great plays on the ball to bail him out, either.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

I think the JC thing is because at the beginning of the year he felt like the offense would go and the running game would get the first downs so he had less pressure.

Now I think he feels like if he misses one throw it could ruin the drive (and game). Alot more added pressure.

I do agree thought, in the beginning of the year he seemed to let his ability go and now he appears to be thinking too much.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs forget that you can't go 3 and out and run out the clock with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

This bit him in the ass against the Jets...who were one dropped pass away from beating him.

This bit him in the ass against Cardinals who missed a long FG to win it.

In the cardinals game...Campbell made one Throw in the 4th quarter...a long bomb to....THRASH. who promptly dropped it like its a hot potato.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Kudos on a road win. Road wins are rarely easy. And on being 5-3.

But as for smash mouth football -- NO!!! We've had 2 games where smash mouth has "worked". Jets and Fins. Both OT games. And mind you, the Jets and Fins would both be winless if they didn't play each other!!! If your best smash mouth games only gets you into OT against the worst teams, its not a great plan. The Skins need to let Campbell step up, give him a chance to get into a groove and see what he can bring.

As for the defense, I've said all year that the biggest issue is going to be whether Griffin is healthy. When he doesn't play, the defense clearly isn't as good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Liberal,

The significance? To homers who would let Dan Snyder poop on their face, nothing. To realists who have been bent over backwards by a lying owner, everything.

Visiting team returns for an Eagles game???? They are 2 hours up the road and represent down here all the time.

The ticket lies and propaganda are close to coming full circle. I can't wait for the day this @ss hat has to either drop ticket prices or apologize to his fans to get them to come back?

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 5, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Alex
Yeah right. That would mean straying away from "Redskins Football" You know running on third and long, throwing 2 yard outs on third and 3 and throwing deep to your slowest receiver. It would mean taking chances down the field and showing confidence in your young QB. How dare you talk such blasphemy!!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

scratch click
scratch click
scratch click

(The AMAZING Dik Shuttle lifts needle off groove)

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

It was the Salmon Mousse.... I'm sorry, I meant SeanTizzy2DaHizzy who was pushing Betts as a change-for-change's-sake solution.
Of course, it was the infamous Wayne "P" that thought Portis was done. Here's hoping he returns and starts bashing Moss and Randle El next.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

RB, calling people who want to go to support their team "homers who would let Dan Snyder poop on their face" is a bit much.

It's not as simple as "be realistic about how Snyder is ripping us off" or "let Snyder crap on you" is it? Snyder controls access to the ONLY Washington Redskins team there is. You don't have the choice to go watch another one, there isn't one. It's his field, his ball, and his players.

If you don't like it, you either put up with it or you don't have anything to do with them. I would suggest that the "put up with its" outnumber the otehrs 100/1 but that doesn't matter to Snyder, because they all still have to pay him to get in any way.

Insulting people like that is hardly going to rally people to your cause. Teams are (mostly) permanent, owners are transient. Stop giving Snyder such sway over your life and just get on with supporting your team with all your energies.

I know, I know. ITA on this post.....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

mmz
That's the most frustrating aspect of Gibbs. It's that he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes or he can't remember his mistakes. I for one was shouting "Not again!!" when he ran the ball on third and long. Somebody needs to slap him upside the head to get his memory in gear again cause it's getting comical. Gibbs philosophy: If it didn't work in the past, try, try again and hold your breath at the end of the game.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Actually RB...you know the Homers won't let Danny poop on their face.

It's Joe Gibbs they want pooping on their faces then they will blame Danny anytime Redskins lose because Gibbs is infallible.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby, let's be realistic. Snyder bends them over forwards...

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think the latest play-calling at the Redskins was designed by Microsoft Engineers - Diddy can probably confirm that.

You simply perform the same failing actions again and again, expecting a positive outcome

Play book page 1: "Press Ctrl + Alt + Delete repeatedly until the play works"

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

daggar -- Nice one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

mmz
That's the most frustrating aspect of Gibbs. It's that he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes or he can't remember his mistakes.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 03:49 PM

Gibbs is incapable of change or adapting to the current NFL.

It's what made Parcells realize he needed to retire.

Question is will Gibbs be smart enough to retire after this year or is getting another 5 million more important next year.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby,

Calm down a little buddy. I'm just not sure I understand what you are saying.

For each game, the home team provides a certain number of tickets to the visiting team to offer to their players or to sponsers, etc. They also have to give a certain number to the networks for the same thing. I've gotten these e-mails in the past and I'd always thought they were just the tickets that got returned. I could see them not all getting used.

That said, the waiting list is a joke. The available tickets go to the people who will spend $4,000 to join the Touchdown Club or the Tailgate Club or whatever its called for the right to eat cold hotdogs, crappy ribs, and buy season tickets. Nobody moves up the waiting list.

Snyder will never have to lower prices or apologize to fans. It will always be a sell out. They could go 0-16. Wouldn't matter.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank you RedCoat for your faithful dedication to our civility.

I would just revert to the trailerpark without it.

Hail!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby can you help me out as I'm often confused.

Are you part of the "People's Front of Judea" or are you in the "Judean People's Front"?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Come on, man. I'm not insulting ALL Redskins fans. I'm insulting the 2% of fans that think Snyder and the team are GODS... that they can do no wrong and that people should be executed if they talk bad about them, like we are in Singapore or something.

As far as letting him control MY LIFE, are you serious? I blog here occasionally because I'm a diehard REDSKINS fan and I like venting/being funny. You're a Dolphins fan and you're on this board day and night, bro. Let's just not even go there.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 5, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

mmz114,

Gibbs has plenty of money. thats not why he stays. he is trying to turn things around. are things better than when he got here? I think they are.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

JM, I agree with you, when you're 1-7, you don't have much to lose, so you take the training wheels off much more so than you would with a team that is possibly vying for the playoffs. I mean, we did win yesterday didn't we? This does go down in the "W" column right? Yeah, would I have rather that we blew them out, 45-0, sure, there aren't many fans who wouldn't wish that, but when you get past all the other stuff, it still comes down to wins, and losses. They won.

Their line is banged up, their receivers are banged up, but people don't know why they aren't passing more? I don't get its such a mystery that we're running more than passing.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 5, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be too sure... there's a lot of pressure to keep the biggest stadium in the NFL full, with ticket prices out of the range for most people. It's not like Snyder's other properties are going gangbusters.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

4-12.

What's that? Um... So I, uh... Ahh. D'ahh... AHEM!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 5, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

mmz114,

Gibbs has plenty of money. thats not why he stays. he is trying to turn things around. are things better than when he got here? I think they are.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 03:58 PM


Are you sure about that? His NASCAR team is 3rd or 4th best at best. I have no clue whether he makes moeny from his Nascar venture or actually loses money.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Afternoon all;

One thing I saw was 3 step drops and slants.

JC is almost like Brunell in the fact that he likes to have his feet moving and he likes to have one target to throw to.

When we do 7-8 step, play-action fakes drops, and JC has to whirl his eyes around,find his progressions and he gets a case of happy arm and overthrows, underthrows etc.

The slants are one man routes, if they jump it he has a bail out route. Deep posts are one man routes with a bail out.

I dont know if it is the coaches being too conservative, or not trusting his progressions fully. But they pare down his game to two reads and then scramble.

Maybe they dont feel confident in opening it up to him. We dont see him in practice everyday. But we are 5-3.

Hopefully our D can stop Westbrook from catching 10 yard over the middle dump offs, cause the Pats showed the NFL how to kill us with those and slants. I think we will see a lot of Kevin Curtis this week.

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Getting Deangelo Hall next year I think would be a good move. Does anybody know if he'll be a free agent or is he still under contract. He's not a top flight CB, but he's better than most and a solid tackler. Then in the draft, 1st round: OL, 2nd round: DL, 3rd round: WR or another OL.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

My impression yesterday was that once Soups got a couple runs and medium throws, he seemed to warm up and get more comfortable. That may be simply because he was completing the passes.

I feel like his big arm needs to air it out a few times to warm him up. That miss to Moss - how many times have we seen that? I assume they practice during the week so is it Soups freaking out a bit and hurling it too soon?

Finally I agree on stories about WRs. Yesterday I felt like I saw Thrash running the motion as only WR 5-6 times in second half. How is that a strategy? Put ARE and Moss out there to at least pretend you aren't going to run.

Posted by: sfskin | November 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The PFLJ? Bloody Splitters!

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What's that? Um... So I, uh... Ahh. D'ahh... AHEM!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 5, 2007 03:59 PM

See you next season, dude.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think we will see a lot of Kevin Curtis this week.
Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 04:01 PM

Where do you think we will see him dropping passes?

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

***Formerly known as E in VB***


None of that is good news at all...

Our CB's are sropping like flies... Rogers gone! Smoot might as well be gone because his hammy thing is skethcy!

Where in the world is David Macklin? Are Leigh Torrence and Eubanks really better than him or is he in the doghouse for something too...

F BLloyd... BAMF! THIEF!!!!

Posted by: ericnelson77 | November 5, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Liberal,

Not yelling at you at all. Snyder just gets me fired up... I mean, he controls my life and all, right RC?

Anyway, the visiting team returns stuff is complete BS. They are returns from stub hub that even they couldn't sell.

Don't you find it odd that there are returns for every home game??? Especially against the Eagles who are up the road and represent on the road very well down here?

Again, none of this is directed at you, but I find it strange that so many people are completely content with Snyder bending everyone "forward"... good point, daggar.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 5, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Then in the draft, 1st round: OL, 2nd round: DL, 3rd round: WR or another OL.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 04:01 PM

ga8085--Eight more games to play and you're picking the draft? Shouldn't we wait to see how the season turns out? Might our needs change between now and then -- injuries, and all that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Pass on DeAngelo Hall. Dude is a malcontent in the mold of Lloyd.

Posted by: cdubb | November 5, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

If Tennessee can win with that God-awful passing game we should be able to as well. The Skins kind of remind me of the Titans a bit, they just have a better D.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

on one of the Jets WR drops yesterday, the Moose commented "ah, see, he turned his head to see where he was going to go before catching it".... I thought, "no, he's turning his head to see where the train is coming from"... unfortunately, it was only the Smoot train.
Which is more like a small, floating train that provides entertainment to NFL players on Northern lakes. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

No update from J-La on the BLloyd situation. What does everyone thing will happen with this guy? I mean other than us cutting him the moment that it becomes financially feasible for the team.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

LiberalMike,

RickyBobby does not seem to recognize a marketing ploy - which all teams do. I get the same email. The game could be SOLD OUT and we would still get the emails...it's what marketing departments do.

Can't understand why RickyBobby has to share this with us EVERY SINGLE TIME - and gripe about it all the time. If you are new to the blog, Liberal, I can promise you RickyBobby will send out that email before every home game - mark it down.

Posted by: Lisa | November 5, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

True daggar;

My latest season predictions

1/11 vs. Eagles W
11/18 @ Cowboys L
11/25 @ Buccaneers W (because we have had luck there recently)
12/2 vs. Bills W
12/6 vs. Bears W
12/16 @ Giants L
12/23 @ Vikings L
12/30 vs. Cowboys W

10-6

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator & cdubb
I'm always looking ahead, and seeing how Springs might not come back and the O line being injured all the time, why not? Even if we finish 13-3 (yeah right) I would still be looking for needs that would make us that much better. I live in ATL and Hall is not in the Lloyd dept if you ask me. I think he had a right to complain about the situation with Petrino. But like most players, put him on a team thats trying to win and already has a solid nucleus I don't think he would cause many problems. See TO and Randy Moss.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Greg--

I think Lloyd is out of professional football. What team would want to take a chance on him -- even at the vet minimum? He's amassed some nice coin and I think he loafs for the rest of his life.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, it has been pointed out that there in fact is something wrong with that.
But it's only a misdemeanor!

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I will be surprised if LLoyd doesn't get the Keyshawn treatment and just deactivated for the rest of the year since we can not cut him til June. He is giving us nothing anyway and since he is obviously comfortable with stealing money no reason to keep him around to poison other players.

Posted by: cdubb | November 5, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

ga8085--

Doesn't it make a difference to you whether you're drafting 5th, 15th, or 25th? And doesn't it also depend on what the talent pool looks like?

I think the NFL draft is one of the great joys of the off-season, but damn it sure doesn't seem relevant after the 8th game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

TA, agreed. I just don't see how ANYONE signs this POS.

As far as next weeks game, it seemed like Owens and Whitten were running free all game long, and the backs had room to run as well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Obsolescence rulz!
Off-season talk drulz!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Go there if you want RB. It's just a blog, you won't hurt my feelings. I don't know you and you don't know me, so why would I give much credence to your opinion of me as a person? I certainly feel no need to justify any time I spend here to you or anyone else.

If there's humour in your posts I miss it every time, so I'm not quite sure I see where the 'being funny' comes into it. But then I probably have no sense of humour so maybe that's it.

If you're posting here to put the Snyder 2% to rights, I suggest you're in the wrong place, wouldn't redskins.com or extremeskins or whatever it is be the right place?

All I was suggesting was that if you are genuinely trying to get people to support your cause you'd do a better job if you don't constantly start your statements by insulting their intelligence.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

greg;

do we know when B-Dawk will be back... or is he back already

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

TE
Well I'm guessing that the Skins will have a pick no lower than 17 or 18 this year. Armed with that awesome knowledge, I would guess that those positions would be our greatest need. I mean come on, we all pretty much know what positions the Skins are weakest at. It's not like their going to go out and draft a QB or RB. Whether they trade up or down is a different discussion but what does it hurt to speculate during the season. I mean there was a lot of speculation that the Cowboys would go after McFadden next year. See my point?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 5, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

4-12--

You know, a lot of us have changed our handles because of registration. You could show up as "perpetual_pessimist" or something like that and blame it on Cindy or Jasno. Or you could claim that someone stole it from you. You'd be much more credible than "4-12".

Never mind. I'm really not a talent_evaluator, I think dcsween lives in Des Moines, and bangkokben actually just hurt his privates when he walked into a doorknob.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

RB

Tell me again why we are talking about how many tickets get resold? If your point is that Danny is a Dik, I don't think you'll find that anyone will disagree with you. So what exactly is the point of all this?

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 5, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

ga--You're right. I'm being a pr1ck. Sorry.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Zeb, he was back last night, but for a limited number of plays during the game. He ended up with 2 tackles total for the game.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 5, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins are essentially renting Portis for the rest of this season. His salary cap increase next year means Portis has eight games remaining locally. The Redskins might as well gas him out before finding another runner."

That was from examiner.com. If that's true, Betts will be the man next year no matter how Portis plays this season.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Is zebraskins the blogger formerly known as zebra?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Betts the man? Maybe the FO will trade Sean Taylor and a second-round pick to Denver for an elite RB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Apropos of nothing in particular, did anyone else think that Trent Cole against Flozell Adams last night was nothing short of comical?

I saw one play where Cole was down on his knees and Adams just had one huge hand on top of his head stopping him from getting up again.

Maybe they can give Kendall elevator boots or something so that he can treat Cole like that this week?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

ST2DH,

I thot we were cool - & then ya gotta go & use my name to describe the Danny.

Yech - now I gotta go shower.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Also anyone think Shanahan feels quite so smug about chasing Plummer out of town now?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

TE
Anything's possible with this front office. But think about it, maybe Betts had that inside knowledge before he decided to resign with the Skins knowing it would be his turn next year for good. I mean how many players resign with their team knowing they won't start when they could go somewhere else and have the limelight? Just something to ponder...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Nice use of "hot read"

- Jeremy from Wedding Crashers

Posted by: kohastings | November 5, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

ga8085, if that Examiner article was written by Rick Snider, please ignore it. He is a snarly viper who knows nothing and makes JLC look tame. All he does is put down the Skins.

Posted by: Lisa | November 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

SFSkin, You nailed it perfectly. Campbell does need to warm up by throwing early in the game. Get used to game speed in the first quarter. Its no good to throw deep once and hope it works. Look at Brady yesterday. First time he goes deep it gets picked. But by the 4th quarter, he is in rhythm, hits two perfect deep balls to set up TDs.

Skins need to let Campbell throw about 7 deep passes in a game, not 1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

While we're talking about Clinton not being here next year, can we also talk about the 'cap-hell' that we're going to be in as well.

These conversations are alway's so amusing.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 5, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I got me as many TD catches as all the rest of the WRs on this entire team COMBINED!!! Man, time to get me a big raise.
XOXOXOX
Brandon

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yep Redcoat;

It is my login to the skins wiki as well.

Did Farstriker abandon his ballad after the Arizona game?

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I miss Farstriker!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Good to see you again zee. I think we're in need of your 'flags' again.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Haikuman too!

let 'em all know it's safe to come back now. Trolls under control.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

FYI - Redcoat. Trent Cole was leading the NFL in sacks going into yesterday. Hopefully Samuels will handle him with as much ease.

Posted by: cdubb | November 5, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

LOL It was by Rick Snider. But the article overall was a positive one about the Skins.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The two things Joe Gibbs has performed poorly for this team is give away draft picks and underestimate the impact of the cap.

The cap mgmt has led to some bad decisions and pushed some able players away from DC.

And Gibbs has drafted pretty well, but giving away picks is a bit like playing away from your strength.

If you take away year the big year 1 decisions in personnel, trading Bailey for Portis and getting Brunell for way too much, Gibbs has done reasonably well. A couple of disasters, but mostly good calls. Thing is, year one set us back a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 5, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I knew that, but what amazed me was that Flozell completely neutralized him in the game so easily. Hopefully Samuels can do that for you guys cdubb.

Is it Carter who matches up against Adams in the Skins/Gowgrrls games? That will be an interesting matchup to watch as well!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

POsitive flag on the play;

for the trolls going bye bye... although I did notice someone a couple of days ago saying the same sentance under 5 different usernames. So they can still make life hell, but at least they cant use our exact name.

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

ZZ1,

Are you foghattin' BLloyd??! egads, man.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Zeeb, if someone wants to go to all that trouble, I almost want to let them! ahhahahahaha

At least we still have troll stompin boots.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Now isn't this lovely? Bunch of sorry Skinnies fans sitting around blogging about how bad their team is and how they're never going to win antoher game. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First they're going to lose the Fullulfia and then they gotta go face the Cowboys where probably most of the players will end up in the hospital or getting their buts kicked by tough cowgirls at Coyote Ugly. May not even show up for the game once they've been there. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. After that, why even play out the rest of the schedule because we all know how it's going to end -- 5-11.

Until you get rid of all the cancers -- Snyder, Perrato, Gibbs, and all the rest -- you will always be looking up to DALLAS COWBOYS, America's Team. We got Romo, you got Nomo. You got nothing. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: troll | November 5, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Something to think about when managing your way out of cap h*ll is that you HAVE to do it through the draft.

First round aside, if you make a mkistake in the draft it doesn't usually kill your cap to rectify it. If you make a mistake with an FA it almost always affects the cap badly to put it right.

That goes against the prevailing Redskins sentiment of 'win soonest' which in theory is accomplished by finding proven players in FA.

To be fair all teams want to win soonest, but SOMEone in the organization has to have the power to say "we have to manage the cap respectfully or it will drag us to a standstill eventually". We've had the same issues in Miami but with cap spend skewed to the defense instead of the offense, so good luck to you guys on fixing it.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this right. Not only do we blame Gibbs for bad playcalling, clock management, not letting JC throw, etc. but now we also blame him for managing the cap, trading away draft picks and signing expensive free agents? What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

Hiring Gibbs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

For you RC from PFT.

"POSTED 4:28 p.m. EST, November 5, 2007

DOLPHINS STICK WITH CLEO LEMON by Michael David Smith

As the Miami Dolphins come off their bye and prepare to play the Buffalo Bills Sunday, coach Cam Cameron announced today that Cleo Lemon will remain the Dolphins' starting quarterback for at least another week."

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, I think Gibbs picks up all responsibility as President of the team. Now if he had a GM to hand it off to....

If Cerrated were good enough he should be in charge, but actually he gets the best of both world's because he only "proposes" acquisitions on the playing front. No accountability - must be a great job to have!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Meh, I'm just not convinced that this cap is as "hard" as it's made out to be. It's quite a few years into the cap what 12-15 years now and other than that San Fran team I haven't seen a team that had to blow up there team to get under.

If you are willing to spend a bunch of money up front to renogotiate contracts you can manipulate the cap.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh crap. thanks bigfish. I'm going to go and get acquainted with 0-9 now then.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

Hiring Gibbs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 04:57 PM


HUAH!!!

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, for a while there - we really were 'just a piece away' by conventional logic. They just made some really horrendous decisions. Ok - a TON of horrendous decisions.

I know were are going to pay for the latest mistakes for a while, but we've minimized that to a degree (thank you Carter & ARE) and are at least getting some value for our ivestment now.

The drafts have been going well for what we have. Let's continue that and in two years, in Gibbs last season - make a run for the Stuperbowel! It CAN be done. Hopefully these are the guys to do it!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Alright - I'm gonna go home and shower all the loser Lloyd love & Gibbs hate bile offn' mah Troll Stompin' Boots.

You kiids have a nice evening.

10-6 Hail!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

Take a breath and enjoy, for heavens sake! Anyone remember '06? Go back and look at the schedule Minnesota, Tennessee, Tampa, Atlanta, and Philly (2nd game). That's five games they lost that they could have won. This year they have won four they could have lost. Good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose. They aren't going to Arizona in Feb. but 5-3 looks great. Let's see what happens the next 8 weeks. Go Skins!

Posted by: rmfsports | November 5, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Alright - I'm gonna go home and shower all the loser Lloyd love & Gibbs hate bile offn' mah Troll Stompin' Boots.

You kiids have a nice evening.

10-6 Hail!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 05:02 PM


Later Dikhead

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that Gibbs makes all the decisions on who to sign, who to trade, how much money to give to what players, contracts, etc. I don't care what his title is. His ultimate responsibility is to coach the team. I think people just like to try to blame him for everything. Blame him for the playcalling, time management issues, on the field stuff but I don't think he's a capologist (sp?) and I don't think he would have thrown all that money at Lloyd, Brandon or Archibingus. You don't think Danny or Vinny have anything to do with that?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

i love portis saying, "call some plays i like to run."

that's killer.

anyone see pete kendall pulling, a la randy t?

classic redskins running.

if the run game gets going, then JC gets to loosen up and take some shots. late in the game he had some convincing play actions...

he just needs time, guys. the offense needs to keep gaining confidence and the team will get better.

and, at 5-3, they're in a good place to get better from.

HAIL.

nobody panic.

Posted by: dwdjmu | November 5, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

ST2DH I think it's always possible to juggle the numbers and get under the limit, but over time it destroys a team's abaility to make moves as the season unfolds.

I mean look at the nonsense with Receiver, The this year, and the fact that the Skins are SO close to the limit even next year limits their ability to flex the roster by trading current players if need be. No other team will pick the guys up on their current contracts and the dead cap it leaves compromises your options going forward even more.

You can use your credit cards/home equity loan to pay your mortgage for quite a while if you're clever about it, but eventually you'll risk losing your house....

But they SHOULD get credit for making spending less work better this year. Now just do it for a couple more and you'll be in great shape!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You may be right bigfish, but if that's so doesn't it mean that JJG's title of 'President' is really just a vanity title?

Well, clocking-out time is upon us. Thanks for tolerating my presence another day.

RickyBooby, everyone agrees that Snyder is an a$$hat, but what are you proposing to do about that? If all you want is to point it out then you really do need to get some perspective because it has gone too far. Don't give him the authority to dictate your happiness or otherwise, he doesn't care.

Later guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 5, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that Gibbs makes all the decisions on who to sign, who to trade, how much money to give to what players, contracts, etc. I don't care what his title is. His ultimate responsibility is to coach the team. I think people just like to try to blame him for everything. Blame him for the playcalling, time management issues, on the field stuff but I don't think he's a capologist (sp?) and I don't think he would have thrown all that money at Lloyd, Brandon or Archibingus. You don't think Danny or Vinny have anything to do with that?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 05:05 PM


Its Gibbs that's having Dinner with these players. Its Gibbs taking out these players to Wizards games for whatever. It's Gibbs looking these players in the eye and deciding whether they want to sign or not.

Moss was always injury prone in NY and had One decent / healthy year for him. Everyone knows it. Gibbs still traded for him because he wants someone explosive. Moss has one healthy year for Redskins in 2005. Since then its been downhill.

People knew Lloyd was moody in SF. Gibbs went out to dinner with him and signed him. You know who else was moody...Randy Moss. Belichek seems to be getting production out of Randy.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I think they deserve special kudos for slotting Kendall into Dockery's position at 1/10th of what Buffalo's paying Dock. Lot of luck involved, but it's working. And they did an artful dodge when they ditched Archuletta. Receiver, Portis, Springs are going to be problems, though.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs still traded for him because he wants someone explosive.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 05:14 PM

mmz--

Don't know if you remember but Snyder wanted to draft Moss, but Schottenheimer took Rod Gardner, one pick ahead of the Jets. I think that trade of Coles for Moss worked pretty well for everyone once Coles decided he didn't want to be here.

Someone should be fired over Lloyd. Guy must be a sweet-talker to pull off what he did with the Skins. I thought the story was that Saunders really wanted Lloyd, not Gibbs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Belichek seems to be getting production out of Randy.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 05:14 PM

I thought it was Brady who's getting the production out of Moss. I don't think Campbell and Gibbs could do the same. Moss will only play like a winner if he's playing with the winner.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"You may be right bigfish, but if that's so doesn't it mean that JJG's title of 'President' is really just a vanity title?"

When it comes to titles and the Redskins FO/management aren't they all vanity titles? Asst HC Offense, Asst HC Defense, VP of Football Operations and so on.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"I did about as much as Tana and Antwaan did yesterday. When I make records, clearly the team wins. Skins should keep paying me to make records."

--Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure it was Gibbs and only Gibbs that took players out to dinner, Wizards games, racquetball tournaments and whatever. I bet he even had a contract drawn up in his back pocket for them to sign on the spot. This will have to be one of those agree to disagree topics.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is RB keep complaining about hommers attacking him when all I read is RB attacking Gibbs the person. Please explain that one to me RB.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

CP goes for almost 200 yards and you guys want him gone next year. WOW!

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Did I kill the blog?

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

ah, it was on life support anyway, JM

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 5, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the 5pm EST whistle killed the blog.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

In an attempt to bring a little bit of positivity to the blog;

We have two of the top ten tacklers in the league and the big difference is this year they are both LB's and not our safety. Meanwhile that same safety is leading the league in INT's and tied for 3rd in passes defended instead.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

And that is "the league". Not just the NFC.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

existing? :)

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | November 5, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone just see George Michael call out Brandon Lloyd on his live report at 6? That was kinda nice!

Posted by: robrown22 | November 5, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I think that trade of Coles for Moss worked pretty well for everyone

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 05:19 PM

It worked out for one season for Redskins. Moss has been a bum since.

He's on pace for 500 yards - 0 TD for 2007.

That will be the worst numbers for a starting wide reciever ever. Will make BLloyd's numbers look good.

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

mmz, you're a bit negative...

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

a win is a win ....no style points but 5-3 at half time....Gibbs nows they need to throw the ball to get the Balance he keeps talking about but we are still out of snyc...play calls, routes and throws not timed up...still would like to see more in the middle of the field and more passes to players on the move upfield ...less to the sideline /line of scrimage to a player who's feet are stopped with his back to the defender...part of an explosive passiong game is the yards after catch.... the short /intermediate throw long run play....we have the second half of the season for JC and company to get the passing parts of the 700 pages down....barring total colapse...my wish and expectation that this season would provide meaningful december games looks good....next 4 weeks or so are real big towards that end....

Posted by: Oldschool | November 5, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Tony Romo 67 million dollar Man will chew that suka** overrated secondary apart worse then that 1st time starting 1-8 jet QB did.Wonder if dannyboy would give 1st rd pik chicken noodle 67 mill?Marion the BarBarion is going to run over taylor and stiff arm landry into lala land.Theres a new sheriff in the NFC EAST and hes a gunslinger that will shoot holes in that pathetic williams Defense.Get use to licking his cleats and enjoy your kool-aide with your chicken noodle QB!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 5, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

How'd that go for the Cowgirlz last year with Romo?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

How did that go last year for Romo and the Cowgirlz?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Darn loseable type.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

not as bad as for chicken noodle QB!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 5, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Booredskinfanhoo, do your parents know you're typing bad words on the internet?

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly the Redskins beat the Girlz with all of the same players that the Girlz have now. Only difference is that he Redskins have added people on D and the Cowboys have added over rated Leonard Davis and ex-con Tank Johnson who has never played in a 3-4.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 07:11 PM

No, they signed Saunders when Herman Edwards got the job at KC. They signed Lloyd in free agency, a few months later.

Look, you forget the circumstances of the Moss/Coles trade. Coles wanted out and was practically refusing to play. 'Skins were lucky they could work out a trade. Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 07:11 PM

No, they signed Saunders when Herman Edwards got the job at KC. They signed Lloyd in free agency, a few months later.

Look, you forget the circumstances of the Moss/Coles trade. Coles wanted out and was practically refusing to play. 'Skins were lucky they could work out a trade. Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Coles wanted out and Snyder threatened to buy him a TV so that he could watch the games from home - like talent_evaluator said we were lucky to get anything for Coles.

Posted by: david | November 5, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone just see George Michael call out Brandon Lloyd on his live report at 6? That was kinda nice!

Posted by: robrown22 | November 5, 2007 06:57 PM

It was a work of beauty, and it was also a different slant than what I'd gotten from Jasno's posts. From Jasno, I thought he was toast. From Michaels, I got the impression that "the ball's in his court." He can go back out to Redskins Park and kiss some a$$ and still be part of the team. Surely his agent's going to be pushing him toward a$$-kissing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

What did he say about Lloyd? I hate not being able to see stuff like that.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I hate missing that stuff, too.

I actually thought George Michael had retired.

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

fish--

He called Lloyd out, bigtime. Led off his Redskins segment showing the pass to Thrash in the endzone, saying "Lloyd, you should have been there to catch that ball. That ball was for you."

Then he said "I've been standing up for you all year because you're charming, and you've done nothing but let me down. What do you mean you missed a meeting? You better get back to Redskins Park tomorrow, apologize to Coach Gibbs, and give the Redskins back $1 million because you haven't earned a cent since you've been here. Give the money to charity and tell the Redskins that if you earn the money the rest of the year, then they should give it back to you." I don't exactly follow the logic of that, but it was good to see him call the man out.

Sonny, Joe Bugel, Jim Vance, Doreen Gentzler were all kind of stunned. Jim finally said something like "Why don't you tell us what you're really thinking? Stop mincing words."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Steelers and Ravens are playing in a monsoon.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Just got that error. I laughed because it said "Movable Type."

My immediate impression was that WaPo had figured out a way to warn us of an RI loseable type post.

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:41 PM

Could be my bad. I haven't posted here before.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

actually thought George Michael had retired.

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 08:42 PM

He quit the nightly sports report when Channel 4 cut back his staff. He still has a contract to do the Redskins' stuff including the Saturday night show with Wilbon, Sonny and Riggo. That show's always worth the money but it gets dumped a lot for the end of the Notre Dotre game. Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! Go George! I hope he gets to see it or at least hears about it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

PBL4 - Unless you work in the WaPo IT Dept. it's not your fault. They haven't been the smartest bunch with the new registration policy, the time change and now this.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

That message is what happens when Old Media wants to be New Media. Sort of like the registration debacle. You just have to hit the back button, try again. It seems to go through on the second push. Go, WaPo.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:41 PM

Could be my bad. I haven't posted here before.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Hitting the back button and then refresh has been working for me.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - Yeah, I know. Jk.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Boo WaPo IT Dept
HOORAY BEER!!!

-Red Stripe guy

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! Go George! I hope he gets to see it or at least hears about it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Fish, I think he's the picture of Narcissism and if his name is spoken he'll know about it. Not sure, though, that it will make a difference.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Notre Dame losing week in/week out = must see TV

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Notre Dame losing week in/week out = must see TV

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he is trying to get back out of the doghouse. This has been the first time I have seen something positive on his website about the team.

"Suisham boots Redskins past host Jets"

http://blloyd.com/

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

te, which do you mean is narcissistic, GM or The Receiver? IMHO, either would fit that bill.

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"After speaking briefly to the students, Lloyd took "writing" questions. He had to limit the topic after receiving numerous football-themed questions"

Mr Lloyd - Why do you suck so bad.
Mr Lloyd - Why do you get paid so much to do nothing?
Mr Lloyd - Why does my Daddy say you the biggest piece of SJK alive?

http://www.observernews.com/stories/current/news/102607/redskin.shtml

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

How pitiful is Baltimore? Jasno, what happened to this great organization? They won a Super Bowl and then dried up.

Would we be better if we had Ozzie Newsome as a GM?

They've never had an offense since the great offensive coach, Brian Billick arrived. How does that happen?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Ravens are getting a Belicheat style beating. Wonder if Jasno will write about this tomorrow.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to the blog? There used to be a handfull of folks up here that would BTGO while watching MNF.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow he'll write about injuries and about Gibbs' press conference. Entirely predictable. As predictable as running Clinton Portis on first and second downs. Only he doesn't gain as much yardage.

When was the last time you read something about the 'Skins in the Post that you didn't already know? For me, I think it was last Spring when Jason had two or three brilliant stories analyzing the 'Skins year. But, it's a long drought since then.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to the blog? There used to be a handfull of folks up here that would BTGO while watching MNF.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 09:34 PM

Maybe it's not the blog, but MNF. Pretty lame these days. And, if they're not blogging and watching the game, maybe they're the winners and we're the losers. What a thought. I may have to stop now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need look no further than right up 95 to find an offense as predictable or even more than their own.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Man, Baltimore is cursed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

It's the curse of the bird. Any team with a derogatory name like Ravens is cursed. They'll never get better until they change their name.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Seeing the Ravens is making me feel much better about our own team. The Skins O has a lot of work to do, but it looks miles ahead of what the Ravens are doing. Their defense looks like crap too. So much for them being an organization after which other teams should model themselves.

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

maybe they're the winners and we're the losers. What a thought. I may have to stop now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 09:37 PM

I never claimed to be cool. Just in between jobs and bored with the wife working late.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, I think they're got the injury problem worse than the 'Skins. Both their corners are out -- imagine if we were starting Smoot and Eubanks or Macklin. And, they're playing a pretty tough team -- not the Patriots, but not far back.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

28-0 with 5:40 to go in the 2nd Q. Ravens are making the Speelers look like the Pats.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Nobody's posting tonight because they're not as smart as we are -- they can't figure out how to get past the new "Movable Type" hurdle that WaPo's thrown up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Either I'm drinking too fast or the new moveable type is misspelling words for me. The P is nowhere near the T. Not sure how that happened.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

When do you think the Steelers will start playing the back up quarterback?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

So their injured players, who are not on the field, are to blame for these idiots not hanging onto the ball, covering anybody, or generally playing football reasonably well?

The Ravens just suck sjkt. Especially McNair.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 5, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Just in between jobs and bored with the wife working late.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 09:43 PM

bf -- there's a whole section of the internets for that.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens should be lucky Belicheat isn't coaching. It still may be even uglier than our game last week without him coaching.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Smack finally figured out how to post tonight. Thanks for sharing that, Smack. Hard to say anything nice about McNair.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

LMGO Cload! I finished the internet days ago but some sites are worth revisiting.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

By rule, there's nothing ugly about Billick getting gut-punched time and time again.
He's an offensive genius, you know.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:26 PM


A starting Wide Reciever making a ton of money on track to gain 500 yards and No TDs in 2007 = BUM

In fact, more of a Bum than any starting reciever in history

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

TE, I'm aware of their injury issues. But, I can't count how many times I've heard about how deep the Ravens are because they build through the draft, how the next person on the depth chart can just be plugged in, blah, blah, blah... With so much supposed depth, you wouldn't think they'd be as affected by missing starters as other teams. That's all I'm saying.

I, at least, thought this game would be competitive. The Steelers are good, but they're not the Patriots and Colts. It looks like the Ravens are gonna be down by 35 by half time.

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Billick = QB guru

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I see my Tarzan call for bloggers worked but maybe a little too well.

35-0. This is worse than our blowout last week.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Tomlin is such a jerk, running up the score like that on poor helpless Baltimore. :-P

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

A starting Wide Reciever making a ton of money on track to gain 500 yards and No TDs in 2007 = BUM

In fact, more of a Bum than any starting reciever in history

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 09:59 PM

Didn't Lloyd break that record last year with a total of 365 yards and no TD's?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Ravens, but I love McNair. It truly pains me to see him like this. He looks like Brunell last year. And, in 2004. And, and the end of 2005. LOL The point is, he looks awful. It's time for him to hang up the cleats.

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if someone has already linked to this story about fines for head-first hits yesterday... our precocious #30 got dinged for his dinger on Clemens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3096320

But the REAL story is that the two players fined are named LaRon and LaJuan! Come on, how great is that? LaRon and LaJuan! You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

When did Landry get a head first hit on Clemens?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

If this were Belicheat he'd be going for a fake spike and then a TD pass. Come on Tomlin. Where's your killer instinct?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

It was on one of those 3rd down blitzes. He got penalized 15 yards for it and it kept the Jets drive alive.

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Guess I am the only LLoyd defender - and I say "Shame on You" to George Michael - unless he knows something that we don't (which is possible since he is tight with Gibbs).

Seems to me Lloyd is the current player in the doghouse...previously occupied by Lavar...then Archuleta. It's difficult for him to catch a pass if he's not in the game...and they never put him in the game.

According to Doc Walker, he is not the first player to miss a meeting - but is the one being singled out.

Posted by: Lisa | November 5, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I know he had a late hit but I never noticed any helmet to helmet action or spearing.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Steelers/Ravens... great teams in that oh-so-tough AFC.

Too bad the Steelers lost to the Cardinals and the Ravens only beat them by 3.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you somewhat Lisa but if you're in the doghouse, which Lloyd even admitted to in the Sports Junkies interview, then what makes you think you can miss a team meeting and not get penalized. When I lived in VA (Prince William County) I hade 8:30am meetings in Rockville on Mondays and Wednesdays for a fraction of the money that Lloyd makes and I was never late and knew better than to be late. I would leave my house at 5:30 in the morning just to make sure I was there by 8:30. It's not a lot to ask for from someone who gets paid serious coin and is only expected to be in Ashburn especially after your team just got beat down 52-7.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

On the play they're referencing, he didn't hit Clemmons late. It was the helmet to helmet contact he was flagged for.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2634/cheapshotfw0.gif

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That's ticky tack. Looks to me like LaRon was aiming for a clean hit and Clemens put his head down after throwing the ball. Thanks for the clip.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny. Yesterday when I was watching the game, I didn't notice The Reaper coming from the opposite side. It's a good thing he pulled up or Clemmons would have been banged up pretty good.

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

After further review TheRon did leave his feet and kind of launch at him though.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

good hit in college. 15 yards in the pros. a bit too late, and he used the helmet in addition to the hands. you can't use your helmet in this league, particularly against the QB.

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

These Steeler greats could probably suit up and beat the Ravens right now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

At the sports bar we all agreed he would be looking at a fine for that hit... just glad the league wasn't in a suspendin' mood.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Loseable Type, indeed. Poop.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Loseable Type, indeed.


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Poop.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 5, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Thought about JLC's post:
He notes that last year they had their best CB in the slot but this year they changed that and put the best on the outside. Springs has played the slot all year until Rogers got hurt. Does this mean that Smoot and Rogers are better than Springs? I didn't really follow that...anyone?

Posted by: rbd202 | November 5, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Cindy said IT was working on the loseable type issue. They have successfully fixed the issue and now we have movable type. Yeah WaPo IT!

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Quoth the Raven, "neverscore".

JLC, your team sjks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 5, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Quoth the Raven, "neverscore".

JLC, your team sjks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 5, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

*giggle*

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Movable type = more double posts. Just hit the back button and refresh when you get the error.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mark Plotkin, aka Jason,

I enjoyed reading a ton of your comments. Wow, a ton of insights, on a ton of events. Wow, a ton.

Does the Post pay you because of your writing skills?

Posted by: jmurry | November 5, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the Redskins to date prove that Joe Gibbs never deserved the Hall of Fame accolade. It was, in truth, the genius of Bobby Bethard. Gibbs just rode on his coat tails.

Posted by: jmurry | November 5, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, Didn't you notice over the last couple weeks? Jasno now roots for the Pats.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, while I agree with you about the meetings - my boss is the same way and I hate it - my point was that Doc Walker emphatically stated this morning that Lloyd is not the only culprit (missing meetings). How Doc knows this I have no clue. He also said that bringing Saunders here was Snyder's idea. Perhaps he is speculating about everything.

rbd202, we all know Springs is out best corner :)

Posted by: Lisa | November 5, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

it wasn't pretty, but I will take an NFL road win to make me 5-3 rather than 4-4!!!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e8a74

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 5, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, As I had stated Lloyd is already self admittingly in the doghouse. If he knows that he is in the doghouse and has any interest in getting back in good graces he would not have missed a meeting especially after a 52-7 blowout. I'm sure players like Portis after a 196 yard game or Campbell after being named offensive player of the week or Taylor after leading the league in INT's can miss a meeting and get away with it. They have earned that right. Lloyd has not and hasn't even come close.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

And for the record I'm not arguing with you. I like the fact that you drink just as much Kool-Aid as I do.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I heard Doc talking about that whole Lloyd situation, and I have to say, I agree with him as well. Put that dude on the field and get some of your money's worth out of him. Personally, since he can't be cut, I'd put him in as many plays as possible and make him run routes and block until his tongue dragged on the field.

I just don't get this whole "doghouse" mentality. Maybe somebody here can help me out. At first, I thought it something peculiar to the defensive coaching staff since Lavar and then Arch Deluxe were the first two players placed there. But, with it extending to someone on the offensive side of the ball now, I have to wonder what role St. Joe plays in all of that. And, if he's not the one who places the player in the doghouse, why does he tolerate it? Does it really help the team, on the field or in the locker room? Does anyone remember this happening before St. Joe came back?

Posted by: JustMe | November 5, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm on both sides of the fence when ot comes to Lloyd. On one hand I argue that he should be given more playing time but then he goes and does something stupid like skip a meeting when he knows he's on a short leash. I agree that by not playing him we are hurting the passing game but then he pulls these stupid stunts and posts negative crap on his website about the coaching staff. Overall I don't know what to think about the situation but one thing is clear to me. He cannot do any worse than James Thrash.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Have we forgotten what happened to JC in the Green Bay game? Are we ready to see him go out like Troy Aikman before his career can begin? If this team makes it to the playoffs on the classic 'patchwork' offensive line Joe Bugel deserves a bonus. Where I will fault Gibbs is if the team fails to adjust to teams stacking up to stop the run. Let JC take some deep shots off run-action early, and on 1st down, so as to loosen up the defense for CPortis' edge runs. Recall the 1st 2 games this year; o-line pounds Miami like the '83 Super Bowl, then against Philly they just miss busting 27-30 points on them. Like I said before, I hope Cerrato or somebody has their eyes on Michigan's Jake Long, or scouring the colleges for some nasty, Steve Hutchinson-like guards (for those that don't know, that's the guy Adrian Peterson was running behind for 296 yards, and the Seahawks run game hasn't been the same since he left Seattle). If they can get Randy Thomas back that could make a world of difference, but right now we've got to protect JC at all costs.

Posted by: pdfordiii | November 5, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's my question to JLC, considering he's in the booth with an advantage for watching the patterns and we're in front of a tv.

Are the receivers getting open? Because if not, saying that they need to let JC loose is moot. It seems everytime he has time and looks downfield he has to come back to Sellers or Cooley. Which would lead some to believe that he has no options down field or he isn't willing to take the chances. And they don't have any audibles in this offense, so how else can they give him a longer leash?

On top of all that, Clemons was playing on a 1-7 team with nothing to lose and everything to gain by seeing if he's any good. Campbell is playing on 5-3 team with a lot more to gain by having a first year Qb in real playoff like situations late in the season. If the Skins are in it in December at all, Campbell will have gained that experience whether he throws 18 times or 38 times.

Posted by: bhayesp | November 5, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

back in the day, the player would've just been cut. Now, there are "cap considerations".

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

WOW Jasno. How's that Ravens O-line looking compared to the injury plagued Redskins O-line?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

pfordiii -- I don't think Jake Long will be available at #32...

Posted by: daggar | November 5, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

bhayesp,

Based on the interviews I've heard the Jets were covering the receivers really well and basically daring the Skins to throw deep. And the few times that Jason took a chance the passes were not caught. I think other coaches would still call pass plays even though the DBs were thisclose to the receiver but not us. And it's probably been drilled into Jason's head "don't make a mistake."

Posted by: Lisa | November 5, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore Ravens: 104 total yards of offense tonight.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 5, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Hola party people!!

cloadie, I was lost, but now am found.

Eat my shorts in bites of five, then seven, then five.

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Nate Dogg, thanks for the email login info. You're a lifesaver.

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Hallelujah, it's MV Dame!

Welcome back, dude.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

sf, I was laughing out loud at your Grande Pescado line of questioning... especially since I went back to see who you were talking about before I realized it was good ol' bigfish.

I owe you an email re Cali...

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Nitpidixer! Long time no blog. Internet access has been sporadic at best since I got back to DC.

(DC Madam I am.)

Hope to rectify that situation in the coming months so I can BMGO!

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

TheCindy = LaCyn?

Sounds like a tee shirt idea...

(hee hee)

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

200,150

(just kidding ha ha!)

Good night, all! Just wanted to check in a little so you knew I didn't forget good ol' RI...

Posted by: MV_Dame | November 6, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Hallelujah, it's MV Dame!

Welcome back, dude.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 6, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Is pdfordiii OldSchool?

Sounds like a sensible guy.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 4:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 4:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 4:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 4:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 4:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 5:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to re-open this can of...chick beef, but here are the "lead at half" records of teams with two or more losses after leading at half-time and their overall records.

Redskins 3-2 (5-3)
Chargers 3-2 (4-4)
Falcons 2-2 (2-6)
Bills 1-2 (4-4)
Vikings 1-2 (3-5)
Bears 1-2 (3-5)
Jets 1-3 (1-7)
Dolphins 0-2 (0-8)
Rams 0-2 (0-8)

One other stat of some consequence: "score first" record. The Redskins are 4-0 when scoring first.

BTW, the teams that the 'skins lost to were the Giants and Packers. The Giants are 2-1 when tied or losing at half and the Pack are an unbelievable 4-0 when tied or losing at half.

Last thing. The Panthers and 49ers are the only two teams that have not had half-time leads.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Bangkoben,
Firing the whole clip huh?

I'm watching the Baltimore Steelers game broadcast with Japanese announcers. It's kind of surreal. I can imagine they're commentary is a least as coherent as a normal NFL broadcast.

I wonder how you say WTF in Japanese?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 6, 2007 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Bangkoben,
Maybe you got one of these:

Movable Type!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 6, 2007 6:19 AM | Report abuse

The throw-back steeler unis have a college or high school look.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 6, 2007 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Hard to see how you put Arrington, Archuleta, and Lloyd in the same category and then blame the coaching staff for not playing them.

Arrington was a gifted LB who wouldn't play the position the way he was coached to play it. He consistently was out of position and he left holes in the defense.

Archuleta was limited, and couldn't play his position the way that the Redskins wanted to play it. He wanted to be in position but he couldn't get there.

Lloyd is a head case -- an egotist who thinks the whole game is about him. He hasn't made a play since he's been here and has shown his contempt for the team, the coaches, and everyone but himself. When he has been on the field, he's done nothing, and he's fallen on the depth charts. He's made himself a headache, a distraction, on a team that doesn't need either. Despite all this, Jason quoted Gibbs today saying that they still expect something out of Lloyd, but it's up to him to deliver.

And this is the coaches' fault for putting these guys "in the doghouse"? Arrington and Lloyd put themselves there. And Archuleta, well, he actually was a dog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2007 6:28 AM | Report abuse

bigdikhedfish
comparing last yrs win on fluky blocked kick where refs gave extra 15 yds on bogus face mask to this year where cowboys are rolling over NFC teams, they are Undefeated in NFC you Idiot!!ROMO is the new sheriff and your Chicken noodle soup will NEVER reach ROMOS talent!!!!!!!Your Sukas* redskinettes are pretenders and all the kool-aide in the world will change PRETENDER status!!!!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 6, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

The CowPies are America's Team, just like McDonald's is America's Restaurant.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Since B More got blasted last night I guess we will get a really negative post about the Skins today from JLC. LOL

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 7:11 AM | Report abuse

So when I get the moveable type message it will post the message? (Throwing up my hands in complete bewilderment/frustration.)

More stats with meaning or just meaningless stats - you decide.

Redskins are 3-2 in games decided by 7 points or less. Those games: Dolphins, Giants, Packers, Cardinals, and Jets.

Those teams records in such games:
Dolphins (0-4) 0-8
Giants (2-0) 6-2
Packers (5-1) 7-1
Cardinals (3-4) 3-5
Jets (1-5) 1-7

Is it dumb luck or coaching? Possibly.

But I believe good teams win the close ones and bad ones lose them. Mediocre teams win some and lose some.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

btw, great or really good teams avoid the close games altogether.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

or is it that teams that avoid close games are really great? or that teams that win the close games are good and teams that lose them are bad?
And why not put the cart before the horse?

questions, questions, questions...

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any of us would put the Redskins in the great or really good category, yet.

Posted by: CBT | November 6, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Bangkoben,
Firing the whole clip huh?

LMFAO

oh and in the spirit of Not Zebra;

boohoo or whatever your weak name is;

Rolling over NFC teams, great, can you do that and win the superbowl?

People really have to get off of Romo's jock... who looked like the best QB in the league with TO, MCNabb. Take TO away from Romo and you are in trouble. Hey I will admit he has go talent, but your blue and gray koolaid is much more addictive than the burgundy and gold.

We shall see in two weeks what your team is made of when it faces a real NFC defense.

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 6, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

there was a missing sentance in there. After blue and gray koolaid... not that it matters much but it was meant to say.... he has no playoff wins and he is the 67 million gamble.

Jerry Jones is approaching D Snyder territory

Posted by: Zebraskins | November 6, 2007 8:23 AM | Report abuse

RickyBobby,

I'm no Snyder fan. He's awful. And the waiting list has become a joke. In 40 years you would never get a ticket.

Still, I can remember getting these e-mails before stubhub even existed. The fact that the Eagles are just up the road doesn't mean much to me because the tickets they provide to the other team are not supposed to be given to fans, and I don't find it that unlikely that they don't have many sponsers or employees or players' families, etc., that want to come down here to see the game.

You may be on to something, I may be wrong, but on the few times I've had extra tickets to the game I've never had trouble unloading them for face value. It's still the hottest ticket in Washington, even if it isn't what it used to be. Don't believe the Czaban bitterness about non-sold-out games and blackouts. Never. Gonna. Happen.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 6, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Zebra
TONY ROMO is 5th in NFL & 1st in NFC
Chicken Noodle QB is 25th NFL & 12th NFC

Saying Romo wouldnt be any good without TO not only contradicts this blogs statements about him but it shows your jealousy of ROMO and lack of knowledge of evaluating players.

Speaking of Cowboys losing SB shows me deep down you know truth and that gets me hard.You know AMERICAS TEAM will be there and your SORRYASS team wont!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 6, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' ThRedSkins!

wotz on the menu today?

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Ah, I see it's troll...

*** begin troll stomp ***

If it isn't the little Dbag fan that couldn't...

Wassa matta? Your circle jerk already closed?

Again, the fact that you're posting here means you're already worried about the game later this month.

Hear that? - it's TOs teeth chattering.

*** End Troll Stomp ***

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Mike & Mike just reported that Dallas Cowboys are #2 on all sports list for biggest draws to away games behind only Yankees.Redskinettes were not even in top 10 they didnt even get mentioned.This is why they are and always will be Americas Team no matter how much you deny and spin.

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 6, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I agree with jm220. It seems like JLC has gotten very negative the last two months. I loved hearing his reports in the past, but recently it just seems that he's not very objective in his analysis. I don't want a fan of the team, just someone who is objective.

Posted by: tedunni1 | November 6, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Be careful with your personal insults are I will email Jason and then his editor to have you kicked off and blocked like some of you sissys did to get this registration set up.Which doesnt work and i didnt expect Knucklehead redskinette fans to know this.Fuc***G GOOBERS!!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 6, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

*** Troll Stomp ***

sounds like YOU're crying, lil' Dbag SJKa$$

"Waaah... no... Weeee're Amewikas teem"

Bro - take the broken record back to you mom's house.

You're missing the reason WHY that stat exists. 1) Dallas fans are outcasts in their own communities. They want to be contrary & front runners, so they pick the Cowpatties. (this is the same w/ Yankee fans...) 2) Other people go because they want to see you loose!

*** End troll stomp ***

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

JC-Great assessment about Clemens. I got the same feeling. The guy was just slinging it around more and certainly didnt play like a rookie. Either the skins have no real confidence in JC, or they are tying his hands. Either way, he still throws the ball too high for his hobbit wideouts. I am giving JC another game or two before the BS "Oh he has only started a few games" excuse wears thin.

Posted by: zap123 | November 6, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Zap, et al,

I've heard commentary on the 'rookie phenomenon' before. And we did experience a little of this in Soup's early appearences.

His first few games he'll be ahead of the learning curve, but after more games there will be enough film for the coodinators to learn his tricks. And it happens that way with just about any QB.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Mornin' folks.

Is the guy running is fingers a Cowboys fan?

I say welcome, but if you're ging to post up here at least talk about someone other than the Cowboys. Look, I'm not jealous of the girls, but I don't hate em' either. I just get tried of the same dicriding' jag offs that claims they're Dallas fans. I'm willing to bet that if the Redskins won the super bowl, there would be so many "fans" crawling out of the woodwork.
I don't have a beef with Dallas fans, the REAL ones anyway.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Lets get back to football!

Americas Team is 8th in Defense NFL & 3rd in NFC
Redskinettes are 10th in NFL & 5th in NFC

Americas Team is 2nd in Offense in NFL & 1st in NFC
Redskinettes are 20th in NFL & 11th in NFC

What happen to that awesome gregg williams Defense with that 4 #1 picks in secondary?
Matching team for team it is clear that the Boys have more talent then the Redskinettes Marion the Barbarion is better the poopis portis & you kool-aide drinkers cant even admit it.But check who has more TDs and case closed!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 6, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

*** Troll Stomp ***

That's rich - You insult everybody and it's ok... I just insult you, 'cause you deserve it, and you whine and cry.

You're not helpin' your case here buddy.

So how many times a day does your mom hit you?

*** End Troll Stomp ***

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

'Ging' is my way of expressing going. Its language only I know.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Top' o the morn Hukkas

JC will be fine, dude is learnin on the job, has paranoid ole' dudes for coaches and hasn't gotten a lot of help from his O Boys...

I have hammered the Gibbs 2.0 regime on the "doghouse" issue, especially manboobs, but the Blloyd debacle is not an example of this. The dudes is a waste of space. He did all the same crap in San Fran. You can only start 11 guys, why would you play him just to prove a point?!?! The mistake was the trade and contract...ain't no fixin that spilt milk now.....send him home and move on with cats who wanna play....non-issue...nutin to see nutin to see....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 6, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd advise you guys to talk past the trolls today. Tune them out.

Their attention span and mental prowess isn't great enough to withstand being ignored for any length of time as it's too reminiscent of the rest of their sad, small, brutally ugly lives.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Top' o the morn Hukkas

JC will be fine, dude is learnin on the job, has paranoid ole' dudes for coaches and hasn't gotten a lot of help from his O Boys...

I have hammered the Gibbs 2.0 regime on the "doghouse" issue, especially manboobs, but the Blloyd debacle is not an example of this. The dudes is a waste of space. He did all the same crap in San Fran. You can only start 11 guys, why would you play him just to prove a point?!?! The mistake was the trade and contract...ain't no fixin that spilt milk now.....send him home and move on with cats who wanna play....non-issue...nutin to see nutin to see....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 6, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

has paranoid ole' dudes for coaches and hasn't gotten a lot of help from his O Boys

LMGO! Now that the CL I know.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Ok - I'll try addressing you as a non-troll entity:

Boo,

The Goils' stats & achievments are duly noted - the most prominent being, the record. That's actually the only one that counts, btw.

We'll see how you do in the coming weeks here.. you have the GINTS comin' and they are going to smack you guys. They want revenge. Then we're going to knock the snot outta you guys. The Jets will be a little break - and then you get Green Bay - who's D is painful too.

So do your rooster crowing now, 'cause it could be a different picture in a month.

I still maintain you're here 'cause you're askeered.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh - new term:

Moveable Type! lol.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Boo, in your 9:13 post you claim that you want to "get back to football", then you proceed to talk that bullsh*t you call football talk. I think this is some A$$clown who is a regular and was disappointed by the lack of post. So, they decided to draw the ire of Skins fans by posting gar-bage. I think the whole my team is better than your team is really 8th grade.

Which reminds me, you better get to homeroom before they issue you a tardy slip. You can come back to play the number munchers later on today.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Clemens had time Sunday; the pocket was collapsing, but he had enough time when we only rushed four. Griffin would've been a huge asset there, collapsing the interior of the pocket, or forcing the Jets to double team.
With 40-50 plays of tape to watch, there are a couple of things he likes to do, that you can pretty easily take away.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, ya forgot to put on your Troll Stompin' boots! you got some troll on yer heel! lol.

*** Troll Stomp ***
*** End Troll Stomp ***

hahahahah.


I'll let DMV handle it taday - I'll take your advice RC. Besides, I feel I zinged 'em enough... lol.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I heard of losable type, but moveable type?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Aren't any of you getting the "moveable type" error?

Everytime I post it gives me that now - I refresh the page & it's ok...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Movable Type
An error occurred
Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't think boo is coming back. Like I said, he was running late for first peroid.

shuttledik, do those boots come in a size 13R?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Yep, my messages are the movable type.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

13R?! Godfrey Daniels, man! I think ya gotta go to Army/Navy surplus for those!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Techie moment:
Moveable Type is a "Web 2.0 best-practices synergy with optional paradigm shift content management/blogging software". WaPo bought it, clearly after the company took the WaPo CIO out for drinks and entertainment in Las Vegas.
We have, in our traditional snarky blog manner, rechristened it 'Losable Type' because it seems more accurate.
It is what we thought it was, and we let them get away with it.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

So the Iggles always seem to play us tight. What do we need to watch out for this week?

Barber had a monster game & they have a short week - could our running game still work? How do we handle Dawkins?

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

And yes, everyone is getting the error.

Particularly bangkokben, resulting in a marvelous quintriple-post!

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

thx cload! funnny! he he he.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Yes, you could say I blew my load on the 'movable' type.

Dik, the running game must work because everyone knows that will be the game plan.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

shuttledik the key to as always is stopping Westbrooke.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Movable Type
An error occurred
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Damn Tech people. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Movable Type
An error occurred
Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'

Damn Tech people. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Who knew that the daylight savings time change, something we rather thought we'd worked out some time ago, could trip up one of the mightiest media conglomerates in the most powerful city in the world?
(Not that this error is conclusively linked to the DST issue, but the timing is certainly suspicious).
I'm sure the crack team is working on it. Unfortunately, they're too busy updating their mySpace pages to actually fix the problem.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

jm - lmgo

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Cload - Jasno, Cyn & Lisa have myspace pages? Awesome!

I'm gonna put 'em in my top 8!!

[:-|

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Cload - Jasno, Cyn & Lisa have myspace pages? Awesome!

I'm gonna put 'em in my top 8!!

[:-|

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Benny, I'm right behind ya!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

There are a couple of people Up Here that have myspace pages.... that was one of those offseason confessionals that kept the blog moving for a couple of hours on the march to 25,000 posts.

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Top O the morning to yens. Nice to see Ray Lewis this morning calling everyone out except his own defensive unit that gave up the 38 points.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Back to something at least vaguely football related...

Were we invited to watch the car-crash that signalled the end of a career last night? Steve "Air" McNair looks done and dusted to my untrained eyes.

As he was being sacked/fumbled for the eighty-third time he wore the bemused look of an elderly water buffalo being dragged down for lunch by the local watering-hole crocodile contingent. It was truly sad.

He may hang around a while longer yet as Billick is renowned for his stubbornness, but McNair's done.

I actually thought that the B'more D didn;t look that bad except for two things: 5) SPeelers continual starting field position was a real killer, and, *) They didn't keep baby Ben in the pocket. If they'd done the latter it wouldn't have been nearly so ugly.

that said, it looks pretty certain that the Speelers will have a significant say in the post-season, and B'more almost certainly won't.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Hey -- the Ravens D came up big in the second half!

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Lmgo - I'll have to google those!

I do have one, for the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE!

http://www.myspace.com/ShuttleLOUNGE

I haven't been updating much...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

You turn over tha ball that much in a mud bath, you'll never get out...

(see our Green Bay game...)

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Seriously? The Steelers had Batch and a back up RB playing the whole 2nd half.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Brian Dawkins doesn't make me nervous when the Skins play the Eagles like he did 3 or 4 years ago. Sunday night was his first game back since he went down against the Skins(?) He is aging and can't cover grond like he use to. I think Lito may be out also.

Anyone else think the Redskins should practice on deep passes this week. ARE and Moss should be able to get behind their secondary with that 4-6 defense. If the deep passes aren't available, then go check down charlie, a la Mark Burnell.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't just the turnovers though Dik, it was the fact that McNair was trying to play the game at about half the speed of everyone else.

I know he's been injured, but it reminded me of the end of Bledsoe last year. There's a look on their face that says "when did this game get so d*mn fast?".

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I hate to agree but McNair is done.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

McNair did look like he was done last last night. I'm not to big on Boller but McNair should be nothing but a back-up from now on kind of like Boonell. I'd like to see them give Troy Smith a shot.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

fish -- no, I was kidding. The Steelers took their foot off the pedal after halftime, so the Ravens D didn't exactly step up.
But they were down to a fourth-string DB, right? Are any of their injuries major?

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

And was that Gaither being used as a turnstile last night again? If it was, it should be official that Jasno can never again mention that guy as "one that got away from the Redskins".

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

RC, thats as good an assessment of the Ravens as you can get. McNair is D O N E. Old/slow, and appears to have taken too many hits. The Ravens had opportunities for sacks that they didn't convert, that ended up being touchdowns instead.

Anyone know if the Redskins/Jets game will be replayed on NFL Network, and when?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 6, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I feel ya about McNair. He's gettin' long in tha tooth & his production has plummeted.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

redcoat -- you're exactly right. I thought during the game "first the game seems to fast, then everything slows down, then you slow down, then everything seems too fast".

It's the freakin' circle of life all over again!

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

cload, I know their two starting CB's were hurt but this is the vaunted Ravens D, the best in the league, the unit that has a murderer for a leader that always seems to conveniently point the finger everywhere else. The offense is bad but the defense gave up all those points. If Belicheat would have been coaching you can be sure that he would have put up 70 points on that D last night.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

McNair ain't the only one on the Ravens thats finished. I love the guy, but Ray Lewis is nearing the end of his HOF career also. He was repeatedly blocked by "Fast" Willie Parker last night. I know, LB's get blocked by RB's all the time but this is Ray Lewis here and he outweights Parker by 45 pounds.

Its sad to see great players start to decline. I think both Lewis and McNair are HOFers. Another HOF bounder, Ogden is declining also. He will retire at the end of the season.

So, so sad.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It was interesting to hear them talk last night about some quotes from Tomlin. One was something like "We're going to punch them in the mouth for the whole game" and the second one was "Football is a violent game. The most violent team wins".

If you are TRULY committed to smash-mouth football I completely buy into those motivational statements. The challenge I have for you guys is can you picture Joe Gibbs saying that to your team right now?

If he relies on someone else to say that it's not so good as he is the spiritual leader of the team in every sense of that word. If it doesn't get said at all, then you have a worse problem because the team is trapped in the dichotomy of "being smash-mouth AND being sensitive to the needs of others".

Thoughts?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is how can such a glorified franchise go so long without and offense? They couldn't have thought McNair was going to be the answer to their need for a franchise QB. He was old and on the decline when he came to B-more.

I used to praise Ozzie Newsome for putting that team together but I don't think it's warranted anymore.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Raising my beer to the Giants D. WTF? Yes sir, I want to see Strahan & Co. make Romo play his guts out - not just figuratively .

Here's to the Cowboys nursing injuries the following week. And let the whining begin.

Also, would like to see the Lions/Cardinals match-up (never thought I would write that). Should be a high scoring pass fest. I'm guessing the two teams will put up near ninety passes.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 6, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I can't picture Gibbs 2.0 ever saying something like that.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins got back on track by calling more zone runs with Clinton Portis in the game. Though Joe Gibbs favors a power running game featuring the counter and "power-O", zone runs maximize Portis' skills as a one-cut runner and gives him more freedom to bounce or find cutback lanes. After watching Portis rush for 196 yards on 36 carries, including five runs over 10 yards, look for the Redskins to continue to call more zone runs to ignite their struggling offense.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Big Fish,

We're dealing with the new PC Belicheat now, he doesn't run the score up (or even meet the darn SPREAD with a FIELD GOAL) anymore.

ugh. Hypocracy.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I say bust them in the mouth and asked for forgiveness later.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I think they all bought into the "what we need is a game manager" thinking grande pescado.

Boller wasn't ready yet and they thought the defense wouldn't go over the hill for a year or two, so they brought in an experienced QB with a (then) good arm and tried for a run-first offense very close to what Pittsburgh do.

Last year they rode that to 13-3, those numbers don't lie. The defense was still formidable, I think Jamal Lewis had a comeback year, and McNair did just enough whjen they needed it. Trouble was, when time came to play a good team in the playoffs they just didn't have it.

I think they thought "same game again" this year but everyone just got old at once. I've watched this happen this year in Miami as our defense that was top 10 for 10 years fell apart when we had to let a couple of guys go for cap reasons.

it will take B'more a couple of years of steady drafting to rebuild, but their biggest challenge will remain the offense as they really don't seem to have invested enough draft emphasis in that. But wo knows whether that is Newsome's or Billick's ultimate call?

I think if they have to blow that team up at the end of this year they may blow Billick up with it, as he's been the one trying to put band-aids on it for the last couple of years rather than fix it properly.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

When are you going to get a new post?

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Should the Skins go offense or defense in the first round of the draft?

If they go defense may I suggest: Derrick Harvey/DE/Florida, Tyson Jackon/DE/LSU, Kendall Langford/DT/Hampton, or Simeon Castille/CB/Alabama. If the Skins go offense then select a WR and get either Early Doucet/LSU, Harry Douglas/Louisville, Mario Manningham/Michigan, or Adarius Bowman/ Oklahoma St.

Bouman may be gone before the Redskins pick. He is 6-4, 220, EXACTLY the type of WR the Skins need. Then again, there are still eight games left, you never know.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

jm -- think of the challenge Jasno is having, with the keyboard leaping and dodging his every attempt... then imagine the Moveable Type errors he'll be getting.

May be a couple of weeks before the next post comes out...

Posted by: daggar | November 6, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

shuttledik,

I absolutely do NOT have a MySpace page....in fact, I gave Nate a hard time about having one.

Posted by: Lisa | November 6, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I just listened to Soup on the radio. Doc Walker asked him if it bothered him that they won and are getting critiscised.

He said that they beat the Jets and that opening score they had gave them confidence.

That because his WR's can't practice the timing is off on the long ball.

and a host of other excuses. I think this goes back to Gibbs making excuses for his players. What is the mantra you hear out of the Pats? "I just do my job". I think in NE you do your job or you ride the pine. If the dude to your right or left isn't doing his job then you can be assured he won't be there for long.

In DC, it's "well we're just a little off", "well we just have a couple key injuries", "Well it's a new playbook." , "Well he's a young player" and all the rest of the BS.

In Team environment either everyone is accountable or no one is. On the Skins no one is.

/rant

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

If the Ravens don't make the playoffs which is looking highly probable considering how they looked last night and their tough remaming schedule the I don'y see Billick keeping his job. When you really take a look at the team all they are really missing is a good QB, a replacement for Ogden and maybe a good 3-4 DE. Maybe add a FA receiver. We could trade them Lloyd (HA!). They could get by with everyone else.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Skins may be able to land Limus Swede out of TX. Big fast strong WR. He may drop down to late in the 1st or even the 2nd because he's had an injury this year.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I personally like myspace. Its a great place to link up with old friends, meet new friends, and express my...

Blah, blah, blah

Anyone who is under 25 or 30 and gives the reasons listed above for having a myspace page is full of it. I have a page for one reason and one reason only.

To meet jumpoffs that are willing to bone after having five or six conversations with me.

Thats it.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Another way to pull a hammy. You may to have to reload to get today's strip.

http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 6, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

SeanTizzy2DaHizzy have you ever played WR? (no I am not being smart ass) What JC said is true about the timing. The QB has to know the speed of the WR and the WR has to know the arm strength of the QB.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Since Jon Jansen is nearing the end of his stellar career also, the Skins may also want to look at Ryan Clady form Boise St. A 6-6, 317lb. OT. Could be a steal in the later rounds.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I think it's Facebook that most people use rather than MySpace. My (older) kids had me set a page up on there but I visit probbaly once every couple of weeks.

Diddy however seems to be really active on there!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

JM,

No I haven't but i've watched them on TV:) My rant was about accountability or the lack there of. If you dont' expect greatness you'll never achieve it.

Fact of the matter is you get paid millions of dollars to do your job and you should do it. There are always mitigating factors. You think Manning will overthrow Harrison when he returns? I don't.

Sorry the kid is 26 in december with almost a full year starting under his belt. Rothlesburger, Romo and a bunch of others are his age. Anderson in Cleveland is younger than him with fewer starts. It's time to step up kid.

Anyway my point wasn't really about a player as much as it was about a lack of any sort of accountablility on this team.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I know you are right JM, but it's not like they haven't EVER practiced. I know that a few people have suggested that they tinkered with JC's throwing mechanics over the off-season to try to speed him up a little. Is that true, and if yes, who is working with him now to help him stop overthrowing?

One other thing, did anyone see that one-handed catch Moss made on Sunday night? Elite WRs can adjust to the throw - within some limits of course - but it just doesn't look like the 'Skins receivers are able to do that. Why is that?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Actually I'd like to restate my question. Randle El seems to be able to adjust, but Moss doesn't, why is that?

Is he more injured than has been apparent and he can't physically manage it, or is that just a skill he doesn't really have?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

ST2DH,

Does leaving BLloyd at home engender accountability? How about Portis stepping up & coaches calling more zone blocking on runs?

I think there's accountability on some level with this team.

I don't think there's inspiration, however. I think the injury bug may be associated with this. The team keeps harping on how injuries are what can break you - and they're a little older... so it does.

Something needs to inspire these players to go beyond where they are now. What will that inspiration be? Reading here - it wouldn't be the fan base...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Randy Moss to the Skins receivers is like comparing Brady or Manning to Rex Grossman.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Sorry BF, I wasn't trying to compare Moss, R directly to the Skins recivers except to say that Brady doesn't always throw the perfect ball - neither does Manning, P - but when they don't, their receivers tend to find a way to help them out.

With a relatively green QB like Jason, I would have thought that the recivers corps would be alert to the fact that the ball may not always be in exactly the right place and look to try to help out too. Randle El appears to be able to deal with an imperfect throw, Cooley not quite as much and Moss, S not at all. Why is that?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat with Moss it very well could be the injuries. With the hamstring you are not going to cut or turn as fast as you would without it. The wrong turn or cut will pull a already tender hamstring.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure some of it is that. The problem is this team seems to throw their hand up at adversity. (Think double move's double move comment.) If injuries, unless extrodinary in number or to the wrong players, are going to stop you from competing then you should quit the NFL.

This team doesn't have an outrageous number of injuries. The O-line was hid hard to be sure but Rabach was out one game and JJ isn't that much better than Wade. Missing Thomas hurts but that's not an excuse.

Anyway again my only point was that I think the mindframe was wrong. I'd like to hear someone say, "Yeah you know we should have kicked the Jets butts." "I should have made that pass, it's unacceptable" "We need to be able to run it right now matter what"

All I hear is "awe shucks, it's always close up here and we're lucky to yada yada yada...."

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, if anyone was thinking that Wes Welker sneaked up on everyone, his numbers this year to date are almost identical to his numbers for last season as a whole (TDs excepted of course).

He is a good small receiver/punt returner that we couldn't use well because our quarterback situation was so dire so we lost him - pretty cheaply - to the Patriots. It's sad, but the reason Belichick picked up Welker and Morris was because they both played well against his team.

Anyone you guys would pick up taht way if you could? I'm sure Plaxico would be one....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

RC,

Moss didn't do ANY preseason this year & that's when most of the relationship building would be for route running.

I posed a question about this to Cindy in her chat... and hope to see some response somewhere.. sometime..

How are the Receiver/QB relationships progressing? Do they hang out together? are they civil? Do they work on timing & routes outside of team stuff during the week?

I really think they all need to go out into the hills and trip on shrooms... but that's just me.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm just ranting now, so i'm going to stop. It's nothing that hasn't already been said 1 thousand times.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah you know we should have kicked the Jets butts."

Would love to hear that as well but we both know Coach isn't go to go for that. Like I said they need to bust somone in the mouth and asked for forgiveness later.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

In Saunders system, the QB throws to a "spot" not to the receiver. It is the receiver's responsibility to get to that spot and is a timing thing. Randle El practiced with Jason a lot in the offseason....as did Cooley.

Posted by: Lisa | November 6, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think you're right JM, in which case Moss should be riding the pine. He's not doing anyone any favours out there playing at 70% effectiveness because his 70% isn't enough to be a gamebreaker.

Once you start a guy you have to game plan to use him (well at least usually you do) so if he can't get it done you either game plan down to his ability (-2 yard swing passes from Brunell anyone?) or you plan for him to be as good as always and nothing happens right because he's not up to it.

Either way, it seems to me it would be better to game plan to get 100% out of all your starters than to 'hope' that your 70% guys can pull something out for you.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I think they need to give J.C. more freedom to adapt to defensive formations

Posted by: andrewthompson_82 | November 6, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

agreed ST2DH!

RC - Welker is a .. well ya can't say 'beast' can ya... lol

he's a SWINGIN SOUL! hahahahah

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Notice how good of an off the field relationship that Soup and ARE have and I think that explains a lot. Cooley seems to have a good relationship with him to off the field but it's more obvious with Soup and ARE. Moss seems like he has been constantly pi$$ed lately but I'm just going by the look on his face while on the field. I could be wrong.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse


By Jason Reid
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 6, 2007; Page E04

Brandon Lloyd, prohibited from accompanying the Washington Redskins to their game Sunday because he missed a recent meeting, still is in the team's plans, Coach Joe Gibbs said yesterday.

"Brandon and I will talk things over and we'll go back to work," Gibbs said. "It was an incident that took place . . . and I felt that was the best option for us to take. Certainly it was a disappointment for us, and that's the way I tried to treat it. We're going to deal with it and move on."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/05/AR2007110501975.html

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I understand the Saunders system Lisa, but that doesn't explain why JC appears to be overthrowing the 'spot' by several feet vertically on both the shorter and longer routes.

It's not just that the receivers aren't reaching their assigned spot at the right moment, the throw doesn't quite seem to be there either.

Again, I can understand that more on the long routes; Manning and Brady didn't throw them too well all the time on Sunday, but they kept calling the plays anyway until they worked.

Does anyone know how much they've tinkered with Jason's mechanics?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Browns or the Lions (who we crushed) should be ranked higher than us.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

fish, run 40 something yards on a bad hammy and get overthrown by the QB. Your face would be tight too.

As well as your hamstrings.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how the Packers can be rated higher than the Cowboys right now either. Just goes to show how subjective (and therefore meaningless) those rankings are.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

LMGO RedDMV!

Seriously - Is it just me (not JustMe) or has anyone else noticed that Santana looks pi$$ed?

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

bigfish, if Santana is pissed it's with himself. He is totally a stand up guy. Always speaks with the media and answers the tough questions...takes the blame as well.

Posted by: Lisa | November 6, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV LMGO!

It comes down to both of them. JC has to realize that Moss can't kick into that last gear to catch up to the ball (I use to do the same thing damn why we have to get old) with the hamstring injury and put a little more air under the ball. Moss has to realize that he not able to kick into that last gear and catch up to the ball. Therefore he has to run hard the entire time.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I also don't think the 4-4 Bucs should be rated higher than us.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope you're right Lisa. I don't get to see the interviews here in DFW so I have to go by what I read from you guys/gals.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I hate this posting error.

Skinny posts and fly patterns aren't timed routes against cover-1 and cover-0. If you see a WR make a double move chances are it's not a timed route.

Square ins, slants, hooks, outs and short posts are all timed routes meant to beat zone coverage and press coverage.

That overthrow was not put to a spot.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I saw a post-game interview recently with Santana where he just said "everyone uses that cloud coverage on me now". He looked pretty pathetic, just no spark there.

If the guy is injured enough to affect his performance - which it looks like he might be - then sit him until he's 100% and then turn him loose.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

bigfish if you join Redskins.com (it's free to join) they have interviews (video) with the players and coaches everyday. The after the games interviews can be funny due to Sam asking questions.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I caught the JC interview with Doc this morning too. JC mentioned (as he does most weeks) that the Jets played a lot of cover-2 and took away the deep outside routes, so they had to make some adjustments at halftime.

Hello. Hello!! Coaches?! Yes, all 73 of you...teams play cover-2 now. A whole lot! Plan for it AHEAD of time. Have McCardell run the 15-yard dig route that exploits the zone. Have Cooley run the crossing route to exploit the LBs in the zone.

And one more thing...the 'Skins played a lot of cover-2 against the Pats, and they were able to drop 52 on us!! I'm so tired of hearing "they played cover-2 against our receivers."

End rant. A win is a win is a win...

Obsolescence rulz!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I've been a meember of Redskins.com for years now but all of that stuff is controlled by the team. They wouldn't dare put anything negative on there. That's why I read Jasno's stuff, for the negativity:-)

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

That deep post to Moss was mis-thrown, however. It wasn't that Moss couldn't catch up to it, it was thrown to the outside. It needed to be thrown inside where Moss' momentum leads him to the ball.

That being said, Moss & JC are not in sync. It may never really happen this season, though I've seen some development that makes me anticipate better connection there, even with the injury(ies) to Moss.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

4-12 you have to change that name now that we are 5-3. Where is the guy that said we wouldn't win another game? I been wonder the same thing about Cooley. They should be hitting him in the middle all game.

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh, Eagles are using this as a rebound game. We need to punch em in the mouth hard and early.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071106/SPORTS02/711060408/1022&theme=

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else getting a little tingly in that the league may be underestimating us again?? he he he.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

jm- I've tried several times, logging out, logging back in to the Post website, but it won't let me change the registration name.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

What name do you want? I can change it for you and e-mail you the log-in. I did the same for Lisa.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

No tingling here...we are what we are, an injured but not untalented team with a QB learning on the job, who isnt good enough to put teams away but good enough to be in (most) games, who will look outmatched by the league powerhouses....

Play hard, minimize mistakes and steal games in 4th quarter and MAYBE we can grab a playoff spot....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 6, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4-12, the Pats dropped 52 on our cover 2 because of Brady. Soupy will have trouble with it his first 2 years or so. It's a tough defense for any young QB to recognize.

Posted by: PBL4 | November 6, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

They didn't play alot of cover 2 against us, I don't care what Santana said. They played some, like 3rd and long but they had 8 in the box most of the day. If you have 8 in the box and 2 deep safeties that leaves 1 guy to cover the rest of the field and two WRs.

"It's frustrating," coach Eric Mangini said. "We had eight men in the box for the most part."


http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMjEmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcyMTc2NzYmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Soups will look a lot better next year with 6'5" 219 lb Limas Sweed playing WR.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

bigfish- I'm a moron (no sjk huh, that's been pretty well documented up here!)... I'll just register with my other email and then change the name. Back after a meeting..

Posted by: 4-12 | November 6, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

A formation the Redskins should consider using more often:

ARE KM CSPKCRJFTW CC SM
JC

CP

I seen them use this formation in the Jets game, (It may have been a 3-wide set) it worked pretty well. Send CC and KM on deep crossing routes. Have ARE run a deep post (out), and let SM exploit the middle of the field.

Of course if this dosen't work have JC audible. (Don't be shook Joe) If defense looks to defend the pass, audible into a running play and have PK do some pull blocking. Kendall looked like Randy Thomas out there on Sunday.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

umm, that didn't turn out right.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win.
But wouldn't it be nice to look like a good team again?

Posted by: COskins | November 6, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is a beast! Soooo glad we got him.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win.
But wouldn't it be nice to look like a good team again?

Posted by: COskins | November 6, 2007 12:22 PM

Oh you mean like the Titans? I've never seen a worse 6-2 team in my life. The most over rated team in the NFL IMO.

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Kendall should be good for about another three or four years. No need to frantically search for a LG.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell - "We're at the midseason point now and we're really trying to hit a lot of deep balls. The last couple of weeks, teams haven't been giving us a lot of deep balls, so we're going to work our way back up to it and continue to push it."

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I bet Campbell pushes it real good.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

In a non homosexual sort of way. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Forgot to add those two sentences. I could be crucified if I didn't add those two sentences above.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 6, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Packers haven't look great. The last two weeks came down to one play. One in OT but the media don't hate them like they do the Skins. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV I was starting to wonder. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Former Carolina Panthers quarterback Chris Weinke reportedly is scheduled to work out today for the Minnesota Vikings.

Chris Weinke. WOW!

Posted by: jm220 | November 6, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Weinke was pretty damn bad, they must not have any faith in their qb's, i dont blame them but thats a pretty low qb to go after.

Posted by: SAK | November 6, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn;t they be better off bringing in Jeff George?

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Jeff George says he's ready to throw that deep ball ANY time they need it. Not bad for a 75 year old guy.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, Santana was a guest on CP's show "Redskins Players Club" last weekend and they both spoke about how they each need to "step up" - which CP definitely did. Santana has also commented (particularly after the Green Bay game) about how well the organization has treated him and how much he want to succeed for the the team.

Posted by: Lisa | November 6, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows AP will get this but we can vote for TheRon anyway.

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Jeff George is 4 years younger than Vinny Testaverde. But hey, we still have to play the Vikings so go Weinke!

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I read that Al Saunders was on with Kelli Johnson last night explaining who exactly calls the plays. Something like Gibbs draws up the game plan and Saunders has to call the plays within that gameplan. I guess Gibbs has the cuffs on Saunders and Soup. Anyone get to see that interview?

Posted by: bigfish | November 6, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"So Al, the game plan is that we run early and often and always throw passes two yards behind the first down marker on 3rd and long. Run an end-around or gadget play in the first 5 scripted plays if you want, but no deep balls thrown, repeat NO DEEP BALLS THROWN, even if we get behind. The rest is all down to you Al! Oh, and no audibles. That is all.". :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys,

It looks we've been neglecting our website. Hope people can throw in some contributions again.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 6, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I just read this on the Baltimore Sun's "Roch Around the Clock" column:

"The Writers Guild of America strike already is impacting late-night television, with many shows going into rerun mode.

We saw last night how the Ravens were affected. Their performance against the Steelers definitely was a rerun.

I'll know the strike is over when the script calls for a healthy roster, some deep passes and more imaginative play calling."


You could substitute Redskins for Ravens. It ain't just us.

Posted by: rallenii | November 6, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I understand that we have a young QB, but come on, that shouldn't be an excuse. Fans should expect more. Not impossible more, but basics more. Like, learn to throw accurate mid-range passes.

I don't know about you, watching Kellen Clemens, I got the impression that there is a promise there. I am not getting that kind of vibe from our "QB of the future" in the last few weeks. He has horrible accuracy on mid-range passes. While he often throws a good bomb, he tend to miss wide open bombs that could be game breakers. That's just not good enough.

Posted by: QuestionableBlogger | November 6, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Other random thoughts:

I am not a double move fan, but wow, our defense look different without him. So I guess he is a critical piece of the D. And what's up with Rocky, he was one of the big playmakers early in the season but his play seems to be sliding.

Posted by: QuestionableBlogger | November 6, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I've just added a page to the Website (The Bad Old Days/The Bad New Days)where people who have recently undergone name changes (not that there's anything wrong with that) can post their old handles and their new handles. I know I've already lost track of a few people, and I thought it would be useful to have them recorded. Click here to show your old and new names, assuming it's not obvious:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/The+Bad+Old+Days%2FThe+Bad+New+Days

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 6, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Wikidom! need to get back there. This weekend should be good for that.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 6, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Well I put mine in there even though it IS obvious!! Feel free to delete again, but at least t_e's table isn't empty any more.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep, What What!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 6, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 6, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV

If you are seriously thinking about a WR this early, you need to take a look at Maurice Purify of Nebraska. I saw him last week against Kansas and he reminded me of a young Art Monk. Here is some grainy footage of his 2006 work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpxM4A2kmlY

He had a little trouble during the summer (alcohol-related bar fight) so he may drop down in the draft accordingly. Not sure Gibbs would consider him because of that, however. Regardless, this young man could be a future star.

Posted by: tafka | November 6, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

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