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Posted at 4:37 PM ET, 12/10/2010

Injury report: Redskins list 11 as questionable against Buccaneers

By Barry Svrluga

The Redskins listed 11 players as questionable on Friday's injury report -- the final report of the week -- adding cornerback Carlos Rogers (hamstrings) and strong safety LaRon Landry (Achilles' tendon) after they participated in a limited fashion in the morning workout.

Kick returner/receiver Brandon Banks (knee) and free safety Kareem Moore (knee/biceps) were also limited in practice and listed as questionable. The following players participated fully in practice, but were still labeled questionable: outside linebacker Lorenzo Alexander, defensive lineman Kedric Golston (elbow/groin), wide receiver Santana Moss (knee), outside linebacker Brian Orakpo (ankle), center Casey Rabach (knee), running back Ryan Torain (hamstring) and offensive tackle Trent Williams (shoulder).

Quarterback Donovan McNabb was listed as probable with a hamstring issue. McNabb has appeared on the injury report with since October, but has played in every game.

For the Buccaneers, receiver Mike Williams was upgraded to probable after he participated in a full practice on Friday for the first time this week. He's apparently ready to play despite a knee injury. Tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. (knee) and linebacker Dekoda Watson (hamstring) are also probable.

Tampa Bay defensive end Tim Crowder did not practice Friday because of a shoulder injury, and he is listed as questionable. Linebackers Quincy Black and Nick Koutouvides are both questionable with ankle injuries.

By Barry Svrluga  | December 10, 2010; 4:37 PM ET
 
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No problem with the injuries... time to get a look at some other talent under game conditions.

The O-line looked it's best, like a cohesive unit, when Rabach and Brown sat down a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

And while I'm at it, we should have traded guys like ROcky MacIntosh and Carlos Rogers this season too and gotten back some draft picks as well. It was obvious from the get-go that these guys were going to demand top $ at the end of their contracts; it's obvious we aren't going to pay them. We should have traded them for mid-round picks in the middle of the season a-la Randy Moss.

Now both of those guys are going to walk for free at the end of this worthless season and we are going to get nothing, zippo, zilch back on them.

Posted by: p1funk | December 10, 2010 4:51 PM

Skins need to try to sign Rocky and CR22 to long term contracts and keep them here. They're not malcontents like Randy Moss, who still pines for the team he grew up with (Pats) like Fal Al does (can I abbreviate that "Tits"?)

If Skins management treated our home-grown FAs as well as they treat other teams' FAs, it would be a lot easier to stomach rooting for the team.

After rooting against McNabb all these years, I still get a tinge of pleasure when I see him take a big hit... sorry, it's just how I feel. It's easier for me to root for homegrown talent.


Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Reality is that mgmt hasn't done well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Examples? Any other than handling of AH?

Think they did pretty well given the circumstances.

Get the feeling your idea of rebuild is blow up roster and trade all assets. Which isn't a serious strategy that any good "mgmt" would pursue.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

The problem with management is the mixed signals about transition and rebuilding.

I was 100% behind the Shanaplan - dumping a bunch of under-acheiving vets like C.Griffin, Rock, ARE, etc. to bite the bullet cap-wise and make room for some fresh blood.

I was behind sifting FA for some lower-budget pickups - Kory Lichensteiger, Artis Hicks, etc.

I was absolutely prepared to bite the bullet for a year or 2 of sub-500 seasons b/c it looked like we were purging and rebuilding sensibly and we've NEVER done that in the last dozen years.

And then something happened...

Then we traded 2 high draft picks for 33 year old Donovan McNabb.

If that wasn't an about-face in terms of going through transition/rebuilding, I don't know what is.

Then we fail to trade AH for a draft pick - now we will cut him in the offseason for nothing.

That's what ticks me off about all this.

Are we rebuilding? Really? How exactly are we doing that?

You don't bring in Donovan McNabb at 33 years old, scoff at opportunities to stockpile draft picks and then ask me to be patient and understand that it's a process...


Posted by: p1funk

Actually, p1funk did a pretty good job of explaining it for me.

There was nothing wrong with the 4-3 defense that GG couldn't have fixed -- not that he's giving up the New Orleans gig, mind you.

On offense, I still say you build on OL first, then get the pieces you can as they become available. A top OL makes a ton of things better.

But, if you go 3-4, then you really are committing to a major rebuild and you do the things that come with it -- that includes moving out guys that aren't in your future.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Examples? Any other than handling of AH?

Think they did pretty well given the circumstances.

Get the feeling your idea of rebuild is blow up roster and trade all assets. Which isn't a serious strategy that any good "mgmt" would pursue.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Really??? Did pretty well considering the circumstances?

How are they going to be better off after this year? They still have all of the same holes as they did last year. No franchise QBs. No wrs other than moss who is long in the tooth. The Oline is still a train wreck. They don't have a full complement of draft picks.

So what exactly has management done well?

This team is going to take years to rebuild. Allen and Shanahan should have gutted the roster and traded all of the pieces that were actually worth anything. Excluding Orakpo and maybe a few other young guys. They definitely should not have traded for McSlabb. All they did was push the inevitable rebuild out a year.

This team has no shot at making the playoffs any time soon.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 10, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | December 10, 2010 4:51 PM

Skins need to try to sign Rocky and CR22 to long term contracts and keep them here. They're not malcontents like Randy Moss, who still pines for the team he grew up with (Pats) like Fal Al does (can I abbreviate that "Tits"?)

If Skins management treated our home-grown FAs as well as they treat other teams' FAs, it would be a lot easier to stomach rooting for the team.

After rooting against McNabb all these years, I still get a tinge of pleasure when I see him take a big hit... sorry, it's just how I feel. It's easier for me to root for homegrown talent.


Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign them to what?

Carlos Rogers is a malcontent. He threw a fit when coaches benched him for getting burned and didn't understand why. He threw a fit when the Skins didn't pay him. He threw a fit when the Skins tendered him. He throws a fit b/c home fans boo this sorry team when they play like crap, and he doesn't understand why (here's a clue Los, we pay to go to the games, you get paid to go to the games). He holds religiously to this notion that he's a #1 CB and expects to get paid like one. He's a moron, and a sad disappointment for being a #9 overall pick...not worth it.

I wouldn't call Rocky Mac a malcontent, but he held out and wasn't happy about being tendered either. He wanted to be a FA, and I don't imagine he's going to offer up a "home-town" discount. Besides, he's not all that. I don't see him changing any games for us.

If we pay these guys, then what's left in the coffers? We have to re-up with Laron Landry at some point? What's left after that? Jammal Brown is an FA - we either pay him or spend in another direction. What's left after that? Donovan McNabb's extension kicks in...what's left after that?

This defense has sucked. What's the point in keeping those guys around for anything more than vet minimum.

We could bring in UFAs and low-round picks and still be 32nd in the league...at least there would be some promise for the future.

Thos guys aren't getting any better than what we've seen.


Posted by: p1funk | December 10, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

On offense, we had further to go. Here's what I'd hoped to have seen. An OL that consisted of TW, Dock, Pouncey (use McNabb picks + Fred Davis for him), Mankins (use 2011 2nd for him) and Brown. QB is Campbell, RBs are what we've got now (would have let Portis go, never would have bothered with Larry Johnson).

That OL would have been solid enough to create a decent run game and enough time for Campbell to have a chance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

our line could be

Baker-Albert-RawSuck-Iupati-Oher

we wouldn't have orakpo or Landry, but we'd have a bad azz young line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

these players were just added to the "questionable" list (non-injury related)

Kemo, carriker, lichtenkajdhgk, montgomery, hicks, brown, heyer, k williams, j davis, r williams, austin, westbrook, gano, d young, sellars, barnes, and buchanon

these coaches are also considered questionable

shannahan x 2

physically unable to coach

haslett

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

After rooting against McNabb all these years, I still get a tinge of pleasure when I see him take a big hit... sorry, it's just how I feel. It's easier for me to root for homegrown talent.


Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

me too, it's easier to root for Campbell's Raiders, they're young have an identity and dominant the off sesason/current headlines with gossip.

the Skins are laughable

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

shanny schemed Haynesworth off the team.

AND

got mcSoupy and doesn't highlight the short passing game that was his bread and butter for 11 years in Philly

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The 2010 season has been placed on IR.....(Incompetent Repetition)

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 10, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hurts to say but Cutler for me.

When you factor in that he knows Shanahan's offense, is considerably younger, and Shanahan knew how to handle him, it's kind of a no brainer.

And btw...the Chicago O-Line is no peach, so dude obviously can produce with a sketchy line like ours.

Having said that I despise Jay Cutler's attitude in general.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 10, 2010 2:17 PM

Lots easier to win when you defense is among the league's best.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Whatever dude, of course it is. But on merit of QB play, which was the question at hand, Cutler has been far better than Mcnabb this year.

And I'm not a Mcnabb basher either. And I personally dislike Cutler.

If you can't see that Cutler is younger and playing better than #5 when both are in the first year of a new-to-them system, and both playing behind suspect O-lines, then you are lost.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 10, 2010 2:59 PM

Every time this comes up I want to strangle the person responsible...

It's no that simple. Consider the acquisition cost.

McNabb: 2nd and 3rd. Bad trade but not even in the stratosphere of how bad that deal would have been.

The deal that wasn't good enough:

I'll spare the entire complicated three-way deal but we would have parted with CAMPBELL, COOLEY, LANDRY, the 13th pick in the draft (ORAKPO), and our 5th RD pick (Cody Glenn) and we would be the proud owners of Jay Cutler and Tony Scheffler.

So everyone please make a note of this and NEVER bring this up again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Shanny isn't what we expected. His best days were with Elway, and I could have coached Elway. After Elway retired, the Bronco's sucked and Shanny got fired. And Kyle is just a spoiled little rich kid who is only coaching because of his name. Haslett is a horrible D coach, taking our no. 4 defense and running us down to almost last. This whole crew needs to go. It was a mistake hiring the Shannys. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it's just the truth. We need Cowher or Gruden....and let them hire who they want. And just leave them alone for a few years. They know every good team has a great O and D line. That's where you start. NOT signing McPick for 30 million and Joey Galloway...WTF??? Our coaches are idiots.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 10, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

And while I'm at it, we should have traded guys like ROcky MacIntosh and Carlos Rogers this season too and gotten back some draft picks as well. It was obvious from the get-go that these guys were going to demand top $ at the end of their contracts; it's obvious we aren't going to pay them. We should have traded them for mid-round picks in the middle of the season a-la Randy Moss.

Now both of those guys are going to walk for free at the end of this worthless season and we are going to get nothing, zippo, zilch back on them.

Posted by: p1funk | December 10, 2010 4:51 PM

p1- nobody would have traded for CR or Rocky. CR was given a 1st and Rocky was given a 2nd RD tender. The Skins would have accepted less.

To say that they will "get nothing, zippo, zilch back on them" is incorrect.

They will be entitled to Compensatory picks..

"In addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as "compensatory picks," are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor."

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

offense-20th
passing-9th**************
rushing-27th
offensive line-30th

defense-32nd
passing-29th
rushing-28th

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Choosing between Cutler and McNabb? That's the choice?

Pass.

Don't really want either for the draft picks and money involved. Especially Cutler.


Where would we be if we had built a stud O line instead?

Posted by: edvar | December 10, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Shanny isn't what we expected. His best days were with Elway, and I could have coached Elway. After Elway retired, the Bronco's sucked and Shanny got fired. And Kyle is just a spoiled little rich kid who is only coaching because of his name. Haslett is a horrible D coach, taking our no. 4 defense and running us down to almost last. This whole crew needs to go. It was a mistake hiring the Shannys. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, it's just the truth. We need Cowher or Gruden....and let them hire who they want. And just leave them alone for a few years. They know every good team has a great O and D line. That's where you start. NOT signing McPick for 30 million and Joey Galloway...WTF??? Our coaches are idiots.....

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 10, 2010 6:45 PM

Change your name..Everything you said was wrong.

Shanahan: 85-59 WITHOUT Elway

Our D last year was a paper champ: Ranked #10 in total YDs not #4. Coaches look for PTs allowed and TOs, not YDs allowed.

Kyle S: is a young OC that called plays for the #1 rated Offense last year. He could have had his choice of jobs.

I could continue but it would be redundant (excessive, repetitious, unnecessary). The only thing that you got right was the Galloway signing.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of a certain southern belle I met while in the rutting season of my life.

When I asked her age, I was told, "A gentleman would never ask, and a lady would never tell."

To which I responded, "Well, I know for a fact there's nothing gentle about me, and from the looks of you, you ain't much of a lady either!"

Posted by: Vic1 | December 10, 2010 3:28 PM |

Now THAT was funny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The O-line looked it's best, like a cohesive unit, when Rabach and Brown sat down a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 4:51 PM |

I'm sure you mean Rabach and Hicks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

In regareds to Fat Albert, the best course of action would have been to cut him before the date for the 21 million bonus.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 6:25 PM

I believe the bonus was guaranteed and we had to pay it even if we cut him. There was no best time to cut him, and we still haven't cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 6:44 PM

It was a roster bonus. If he was not on the roster he would receive no bonus.

I'll check back later. Right now this place is full of QUEENS screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!".

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

After rooting against McNabb all these years, I still get a tinge of pleasure when I see him take a big hit... sorry, it's just how I feel. It's easier for me to root for homegrown talent.

Posted by: Alan4 | December 10, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

me too, it's easier to root for Campbell's Raiders, they're young have an identity and dominant the off sesason/current headlines with gossip.

the Skins are laughable

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 10, 2010 6:27 PM

Here ya go b!tches..It would be nice if you and Alan4 would do a Thelma and Louise and drive off the cliff and end up here....

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/

And it's the Oakland Raiders not the Campbell Raiders. You're not a fan, you're a groupie.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

It was a roster bonus. If he was not on the roster he would receive no bonus.

I'll check back later. Right now this place is full of QUEENS screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!".

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 7:19 PM

Kaas--Haynesworth had a total of $41 million guaranteed in his contract. The bonus they paid him was part of the guaranteed money, not on top of the guaranteed money.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll check back later. Right now this place is full of QUEENS screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!".

Posted by: kaasmaster |

Those SJKin' dudes are one trick monkeys. All they know how to do is say "This sucks and that sucks." They have no real opinions are intelligent solutions or alternatives. Ignore them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

In regareds to Fat Albert, the best course of action would have been to cut him before the date for the 21 million bonus.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 6:25 PM

I believe the bonus was guaranteed and we had to pay it even if we cut him. There was no best time to cut him, and we still haven't cut him.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 6:44 PM

It was a roster bonus. If he was not on the roster he would receive no bonus.

I'll check back later. Right now this place is full of QUEENS screaming "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!".

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 7:19 PM

It pains me to say this but the Duke grad is right...

Haynesworth was given to option to be cut in the offseason contingent upon giving up the $21 million bonus due on April 1.

To quote Jason Reid: "The Redskins used accounting mechanisms available to them to ease their future cap burden in changing how they distribute some guaranteed money owed to Haynesworth and top cornerback DeAngelo Hall.

The stuff is way over my head (of course, most things are), but the bottom line is that $21 million guaranteed is $21 million guaranteed whether it's listed as an option bonus, signing bonus or an ice cream sundae bonus."

Haynesworth wanted to keep the money and therefore "remained on the team".


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Beep-Beep, if he was not on the roster he would not receive the 21 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roster_bonus

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

kass-

Read my above post. It wasn't a traditional roster bonus. It was a creative way to have the bulk of the guaranteed money hit in the uncapped year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"An alarming aspect of this contract is that $21M of his money comes in the form of OPTION BONUS. Why is this alarming you ask? Well, as a result of a case involving the contract of Aslie Lelie, teams can no longer collect option bonus money from the player should he do anything to be in default of his contract. Not to say that folks don't change or have bad days, but to have so much guaranteed money unexposed to forfeiture for a player who once stomped a player in a game is a bit of a concern. (UPDATE: as it turns out, the Redskins shrewdly protected themselves from the forfeiture issue by placing language in the contract that allows them to convert Haynesworth's Option Bonus to Signing Bonus when they exercise the option. Signing Bonus money can be recovered from a defaulting player, so if Haynesworth has another bad day, the team is protected.)"

- J. I. Halsell

So it is an option bonus which was only guaranteed IF Fat Albert was on the active roster as of April 1, 2010. However, the Redskins CAN go after this money which they normally would not be able to, due to a special clause in Fat Albert's Contract.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

So it is an option bonus which was only guaranteed IF Fat Albert was on the active roster as of April 1, 2010. However, the Redskins CAN go after this money which they normally would not be able to, due to a special clause in Fat Albert's Contract.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 8:16 PM

No. I read the same thing an hour ago. Yes they can go after the money now, but it was never an option to NOT give him the 21 mil. AH would have had to forgo the 21 mil and then they would have released him.

Kass- I've literally read everthing in print about the contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

diesel--It's pretty interesting to read some of the stuff they published when the contract was signed. This from Haynesworth:

"You're not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a bust," he said.

"With the contract, it's going to be all on me," Haynesworth said. "My goal is to be the best player on the field and to eventually get to that Hall of Fame status and be mentioned with Reggie White and Bruce Smith and all the greats."

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Beep-

This is my favorite Haynesworth quote...

“Just because somebody pay you money don’t mean they’ll make you do whatever they want or whatever. I mean, does that mean everything is for sale?

“I mean, I’m not for sale. Yeah, I signed the contract and got paid a lot of money, but … that don’t mean I’m for sale or a slave or whatever.”

I can't post this quote enough.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

kaas--

This is from an RI post by Jason Reid:

The Redskins could have declined to pay the bonus, but the $21 million was guaranteed as part of $41 million initially guaranteed in the seven-year, $100-million deal owner Daniel Snyder gave Haynesworth in February of 2009. If Washington chose not to pay the bonus, future base salaries in Haynesworth's contract, up to $21 million, would have become guaranteed, according to two league sources who have reviewed Haynesworth's contract.

Eric Schaffer, Washington's vice president of football operations, is considered among the best in the business at handling the salary cap. When Schaffer negotiated the contract with Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, he knew the 2010 season probably would be uncapped, so it made sense for the team to pay the bulk of Haynesworth's guaranteed money this season.

General Manager Bruce Allen, among the savviest executives in the league, ... probably would have preferred not to pay the bonus, doing so was a better option than owing Haynesworth guaranteed money over several seasons. No one knows what the salary-cap situation will be next season -- assuming there is a 2011 NFL season -- and beyond, so it made sense for the Redskins to get the $21 million off their books as soon as possible, especially in an uncapped year.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If Reggie White and Bruxe Smith were players, what was Albert Haynesworth?

Answer... POS!

There, I mentioned him in the same sentence with Reggie and Bruce.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 10, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

beep- I've told kass 3 times...He's busy researching everything both of us have already read.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

diesel -- not sure how many times you posted it, but this is the third time I've read it and each time it just kind of takes my breath away. I was thinking about it just before the first time I saw your post but it was even more astounding than I'd remembered it.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected. Sorry for the delay. Had to take a dinner break.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Nice frediefritz. LOL.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

beep- I've told kass 3 times...He's busy researching everything both of us have already read.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 8:54 PM

I know, diesel, but this stuff just sounds more credible when you hear it from a Duke graduate. No offense. Just telling it like it is.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

kaas- even I've been wrong before.

I know, I know, impossible but true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

kaas- even I've been wrong before.

I know, I know, impossible but true.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 9:09 PM

But I've always been there to correct him.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Now that I think about it, I've never been there to correct him. That's learnedhand's mission. Hard to arrive on the scene before he gets there.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

He's busy researching everything both of us have already read.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 8:54 PM

Only if you consider reserch to mean stuffing my face with a big plate of Djaj Bil Assal. (A Moroccan chicken dish with caramelized onions)

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Prediction Friday...

The Skins rally behind the addition by subtraction and the worst OL/DL combination in the league struggles but behind a defensive TD and a Banks return...we WIN.

14-13

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

kaas -- And I was thinking "Kaas had dinner. Domino's, Papa John's, or Pizza Hut?"

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Now that I think about it, I've never been there to correct him. That's learnedhand's mission. Hard to arrive on the scene before he gets there.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:15 PM

For the record not once has the Carolina grad corrected me. We've disagreed but he's always defended the indefensible. I'm just there to remind him that DT is garbage and Haynesworth is a POS.

As a Terp, I'm undefeated against the ACC. Even from the Terp JV team (p1funk).

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

End of the day, the Skins failed to use the payment to Albert to their advantage. Once he got paid the $21mil, the rest of his guaranteed contract was pretty inexpensive for a guy 1 year removed from DPOY and still under 30.

That was the time to trade him -- maybe for as much as a 2nd round pick. Especially if you knew he wasn't going to be an NT or DE in the 3-4.

Given all that's gone on this year, his value is diminished considerably. Though if I was interested in having Albert on my team, 2011 would be the year.

If he's ever going to play well again, it'll be in a contract year. For $5mil, someone will take the 1 year risk. But I doubt anyone who has been paying attention would sign him to more than a 1 year deal. Ever.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:21 PM

Nope! I'm a damn good cook, and can make food from all over the world. French, Italian, Moroccan, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Indonesian, and good old American food!

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

All right people, I'm going to do it for a third time so pay attention: Way to go Obama.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Only if you consider reserch to mean stuffing my face with a big plate of Djaj Bil Assal. (A Moroccan chicken dish with caramelized onions)

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:16 PM

That beats the hell out of the lemongrass shrimp that I had. Taipei Tokyo sucks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice the article about Carlos Rogers' money problems? No wonder he was hoping for a big payday last year.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice the article about Carlos Rogers' money problems? No wonder he was hoping for a big payday last year.


Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:40 PM |

Link? I'm not surprised, he sounds like a moron when he speaks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice the article about Carlos Rogers' money problems? No wonder he was hoping for a big payday last year.

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:40 PM

I didn't see it. I bet he has incentives in his contract tied to the number of interceptions. These are called "unreachable incentives".

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see it. I bet he has incentives in his contract tied to the number of interceptions. These are called "unreachable incentives".

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:44 PM

lol, or in his case uncatchable incentives.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

French, Italian, Moroccan, Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Indonesian, and good old American food!

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:32 PM |

Big deal. I know how to make reservations in all those restaurants and lots more. You hear of Mexican? Ethiopian? Russian? I'll bet I can make the reservations faster than you can cook the meals.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Rogers cash problems link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/10/AR2010121006957.html

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All right people, I'm going to do it for a third time so pay attention: Way to go Obama.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:38 PM

Is this in regards to the tax cut deal or the fact that he has successfully given up smoking?

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Is this in regards to the tax cut deal or the fact that he has successfully given up smoking?


Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:49 PM |

In this case it would be his willingness to compromise...unlike a whole bunch of other d bag politicians.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get how these athletes can be so braindead when it comes to money. They've got people to handle everything else, get someone to handle the funds too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

You hear of Mexican? Ethiopian? Russian? I'll bet I can make the reservations faster than you can cook the meals.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 10, 2010 9:49 PM

Forgot to put Mexican on the list. I love Ethiopian food, but I have never been able to find an ethiopian cookbook. (Cue the cliche starving Ethiopian jokes.)

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get how these athletes can be so braindead when it comes to money. They've got people to handle everything else, get someone to handle the funds too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure they have them. That doesn't mean they pay attention to them.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 10, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. I just signed a $40 mill contract. I think I'l buy a boat, not just any boat, but a big fast boat, not just any big fast boat, but the biggest and fastest!

Oh, hi honey, want to come to my house for a drink? Whoops, my kid wants how much?

scamp, when a person makes commitments, the agent has no control. What if I hit someone while driving?

Posted by: frediefritz | December 10, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what you're talking about fritzy baby. The reason you get an accountant/personal adviser is 1) to advise not to just blow through your millions and 2)to make your money make you money so that you don't have these types of problems.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe peabrain is this Andy Behrens guy, and maybe his beef with Shanahan is all about fantasy football...

"Clearly, the only thing that's guaranteed in a Mike Shanahan backfield is uncertainty. For years, he's been ruining imaginary teams during the fantasy playoffs.
But you definitely cannot make any promises about Washington's backfield. Only Shanahan knows for sure, and he hates us."

http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/7-on-7-Ryan-Torain-returns-to-practice-fantasy?urn=fantasy-294243

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 10, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

So is it the coaching, or some kind of Stillers mojo?

"K Shaun Suisham is a perfect 7-for-7 on field goals since joining the Steelers, including all five from beyond 40 yards. He also punted three times in Baltimore after Daniel Sepulveda suffered a knee injury."

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 10, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

kinda saad about Carlos Rogers and his finances. Few people ever sniff that kind of coin, to have it and lose so much of it so quickly, ugh. My guess is that he's not alone in this ... that lots of guys have similar issues. Thing is, for the kind of $$ Carlos makes, a $750k home is very reasonable, not over the top.

For Rogers, it sounds like the only way he'll ever wind up with a small fortune is if he starts with a large fortune.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 11, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I love Ethiopian food, but I have never been able to find an ethiopian cookbook. (Cue the cliche starving Ethiopian jokes.)

Posted by: kaasmaster | December 10, 2010 9:58 PM


They had some, but they ate them.

(That what you were looking for?)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 11, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

So Carlos Rogers can't hold on to a football OR his money. I'm seeing a trend here.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | December 11, 2010 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | December 11, 2010 2:42 AM | Report abuse

There will never be a movement toward youth as long as GM Allen calls the shots. Consider his past history. Oakland, the most vet laden team in the NFL during his tenure. Then he moves on to Tampa Bay where after winning a Super Bowl with Gruden, repeats himself and signs over the hill veterans in an attempt to squeeze every last drop out of the remaining talent and left the team in shambles and no future. Since the Bucs have moved toward youth, things are starting to look up for the team. Please Mr. Snyder, dump Allen while there is still time!

Posted by: jrmagic | December 11, 2010 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Carlos couldn't catch a break at an earthquake, but he's a solid corner..

my bad (my new baseball cap)...Radioactive Ralf is on the air...MMMBBAAARRRFFFF!!!!...

Posted by: frak | December 11, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

kinda saad about Carlos Rogers and his finances.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse


Pardon me if I don't shed any tears for the plight of poor Carlos and his $14 million.


When asked at Redskins Park what he thought about getting burned in a paycheck-garnishing lawsuit, Rogers responded - "Ain't nothing you can do about it."

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what you're talking about fritzy baby. The reason you get an accountant/personal adviser is 1) to advise not to just blow through your millions and 2)to make your money make you money so that you don't have these types of problems.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 10, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse
scamp, what I am saying is that financial advisers can do everything correctly, and an athlete can still have financial difficulties. Paternity suits, liability cases from car accidents, buying multiple fancy cars and boats.

The story about Carlos said he went and borrowed $125k without his financial advisers knowledge. He actually said he didn't want them to know.

I'm not saying that financial advisers can't make mistakes, and even do unethical activities. They certainly run the gamut from highly ethical to crooks. Just saying that even if they do their jobs well, athletes can still run into difficulites. The players still have to be smart, or at least be informed.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Sound like he got shook down..It was Portis, strongarming the neighborhood again..

Posted by: frak | December 11, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Every athlete needs to watch Rocky V to teach them about the dangers of trusting financial advisers.

Posted by: p1funk | December 11, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

diesel, that song reminded me of Yoko screaming, "O NO!!! O NO!!!" in the emergency room when John died..You can hear the heartbeat of the Earth in that song "Give Peace A Chance", yep..Now, I like all them hippie like Lennon, Gandhi and King, but I prefer guns..It's like Burroughs wrote, "Kim could kill anybody in the room, and he knew it...And that was a GOOOOD feeling..."

Posted by: frak | December 11, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So is it the coaching, or some kind of Stillers mojo?

"K Shaun Suisham is a perfect 7-for-7 on field goals since joining the Steelers, including all five from beyond 40 yards. He also punted three times in Baltimore after Daniel Sepulveda suffered a knee injury."

Posted by: RomoLongballs

What is it with you and this ex broke-back queerass?
I remember making some negative remarks about this sorryazz kicker over a year ago, and your panties got a bunched up.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 11, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

bhoang888, I don't remember that. The list of ex-players doing well elsewhere is too depressing to go into fully, but Ryan Clark and now Suisham for the Stillers stand out. I was tossing up the question of an issue with our ST coaching vs something just clicking for him in Pittsburgh.

Letting go of Clark was a mistake that never should have happened, but Suisham could not kick in the clutch here for whatever reason and his kickoffs stunk, so we weren't necessarily wrong for getting rid of him. And as up and down as Gano has been this year, I like his upside.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 11, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

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