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Injury Update


Here's the top portion of the story I am working on for tomorrow. Coach Joe said they could end up moving Fabini back to tackle and start DeMulling if need be Sunday. Pucillo would replace Rabach if need be. Lorenzo Alexander, a DL who played OL in the OTA (try saying that three times fast) could play reserve OL Sunday as well.

They'll workout a few linemen tomorrow, sources said.

Okay, here's what I got:

Coach Joe Gibbs and his offensive staff spent yesterday mulling various options to try to stabilize their offensive line after another round on injuries in Sunday's 17-14 loss at Green Bay. Gibbs said the team will have a better determination of the extent of injuries to stalwart center Casey Rabach (strained groin), starting right tackle Todd Wade (strained groin) and backup tackle Stephon Heyer (strained hamstring) by the start of practice Wednesday, but several contingency plans are in place and another reshuffling of the line could be looming.

The Redskins lost starting right tackle Jon Jansen for the season in the opening game and stellar right guard Randy Thomas suffered a season threatening torn triceps in Week 2 (Thomas could return in December but fears the team will soon place him on injured reserve for need of his roster spot with so many other linemen injured). Bubba Tyer, director of sports medicine, said he is unsure which of the lineman will be able to practice, and their status could change daily, as is the nature of muscle strains.

Rabach's loss would be the most taxing on the team, even for one game. He is a bright and athletic center able to make plays out in space and block deep into the secondary. He is lauded for his ability to set the offense and make astute calls to adjust to the defense and he makes those around him better. Journeyman Mike Pucillo would replace Rabach - he filled in during Sunday's loss - and there was some fear in Green Bay that Rabach's injury could be severe, as it generally takes something extremely painful to force him out even for snap.

"Casey's never missed anything since he's been here, which is what concerns you," Gibbs said. "So I know it was something for him to come out of there. It's probably going to take a couple of days to see who's healthy and who is not."

Rabach refereed to his injury as a "tweak" and called himself "day-to-day." Wade said his groin was "still pretty sore" yesterday and expected to need at least a few days off. Heyer said his hamstring was still tender though he was walking well. None was certain about their return to the field, but they did not expect the problems to be long-term.

"We're concerned about all of them, but I think we're going to be okay with Casey," Tyer said. "We'll see how it goes day-to-day and update as we go."

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 15, 2007; 5:59 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: marc nyc | October 15, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If I read the game summary correctly then Betts got 3 runs and Sellers 3 so why throwing Betts under the bus?

I think CP is definitley not 100% and I think the field conditions made him and Moss even more mentally hesistant. I know excuses but still.

As for Santana all of you who are calling him out as a chump need to back off. We would have been 4-12 last year if he hadn't made that catch in the JAX game. And don't forget the Dallas game on MNF. For those two games alone he deserves a pass. Everyone has a bad day and his was particularly bad and guess what he acknowledged it.
I'd rather Santana with a bad day then The Mostly Invisible Receiver who seems intent on getting shot out of a cannon or TO. TO who after getting his lunch handed to him by the Pats said they weren't that good and Dallas just had a few missed opportunities.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, hopefully they can get everything worked out in the next few weeks, but as I have been crying, bellyaching,whining and moaning to anyone who will listen about how the Skins would have been in better shape had they used any one, a combination, or all of this years' three wasted draft picks(Palmer,Sartz and Ecker) on F**king linemen.First, we did not Ecker, a TE, we did need Sartz,(see Mcintosh,Rocky & Blades,H.B.,etc.)and we definitely did not need Palmer,we didn't even have enough PRE-SEASON snaps for him.
Now wouldn't it have made sense to take, even a project, at offensive line? Now this would not have been the be all-end all, we did take two OTs when Gibbs rejoined the team, and both are not on the team but it's better to have too many O-lineman (see Eagles,Philadelphia- Cowboys,Dallas and Giants, New York)than not have enough (see Redskins, Washington).

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Now I have a question that is potentially a jinx so I apologize upfront.

Let's say we lose to Arizona under similar circumstances. Does anyone think that at that point a radical move is called for a la Ravens last year? i.e. Send Weird Al packing? You do this to send a message and "get back to basics" as it were.

The clock management and play calling is so bizarrely bad in some of these games that like so many others have said is it too many chefs in the kitchen?

I take hats off to G. Williams he has the d playing like gang busters. Still don't want him as head coach though. I think he is in the Norv Turner school - great coordinator lousy head coach.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What about Kili Lefotu, any chance he gets bumped up from the practice squad?

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Yo, hsmall, bro..from the previous thread.

You mean the "young Jamal Lewis" who missed the '01 season with a knee injury?
2 rookie running backs? Let's see how their career arcs go over the next 5-10 years.

Running backs get hurt, large or small. Nature of the beast. They have the shortest careers of all NFL players. Luck plays a part in their health, as does the ability to not get crushed by hits (again, see the relatively small Barry and Emmitt).

But to call Marshall, Tiki, or LT "injury prone" seems a massive overstatement, in my humble opinion.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

More importantly (humble opinion again) is the health of these O-Linemen. Definitely not looking forward to Samuels, Kendall, Poochie, Demulling, Fabini.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 15, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Agree with hsmall@reveal.com

Why in the F did we not draft any O Linemen this yr???? Its not just puzzeling, but downright angers me to no end!!! What a whack job this front office is, along with the coaching and ownership

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Rabach is definitely the most important guy to be healthy. Good to hear Bubba thinks he'll be alright.

Posted by: Quaker Jim | October 15, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Why in the F did we not draft any O Linemen this yr???? Its not just puzzeling, but downright angers me to no end!!! What a whack job this front office is, along with the coaching and ownership

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 06:27 PM


You have to have draft pick in order to draft. next question?

Where did those draft picks go?

Oh i don't know...trading for bums like Clinton Portis...while we give up DRAFT PICKS + Best CB in the world

To get bums like Blloyd

To get bums like Brunell...

Who made those dumb trades?

That will be Joe "5 million dollar man" Gibbs

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

When it rains, it pours. This doesn't bode well...

Posted by: Mike | October 15, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Point taken to an extent dude, but we still had 3 picks that need not be used on a TE/LB/and most of all a QB that was rated so freaking low, that no one would have drafted him.

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Who'd have thought that we'd ever be pining for my boy Stephon to be healthy?

I think, to answer sfskin's question, if we lose to AZ with Tim Rattatouille at QB then we've got issues.

That said, I don't think we'll lose. AZ has a solid defense, but I think Heyer and Wade will play. I also think it's a good thing that JC spent as much time with Poochie on the second team as he did in previous seasons.

All The Replacements really have to do is pass block b/c I think that's how we'll have to win for the time being.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 15, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

As far as Moss goes...Yep the guy made great catches for us last yr..when we went 5-11...Those catches bought us nothing...This yr we have an opportunity to be 1/2 decent and his mis-use of his catching ability is killing this team when we need him. He has not stepped up this yr, he is a liability and part of the problem. I hope he rots in his own despair. I know I'm rotting in despair caused by him.

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I am wrong. But all you that B****ing up here about drafting an O lineman. Not one of you called for an O lineman during the draft. Everyone called for a D line including myself. So, please stop the blasting as if you knew we would have all these injuries.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

OC Skins I know I wouldn't want you to have my back. One bad game and you ready to throw him under the bus. But I guess if a person is pefect everyday like yourself than he can say that.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

bring it jm

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Back in the spring, no one (and I mean no one) up here would talk about offense. A few comments about Soup, but that was it. It was all about the D.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

We have not lost Rabach for the year so that means the season is not lost.

Late round draft picks do not always turn out well. If we drafted someone in the 6th round it may not have done that much good. Plus we would have had to cut somebody.

We got a FA and Hayer thats 2 plus what we had last year. Problem: 5 hurt in 3 positions.

Please use your brain before b#tchen.

Posted by: M&M | October 15, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Um JM220

This is football and I live to watch it on Sundays, who the F cares if I have your back or not jack ass...Moss dosent know me and dosent need my back for Gods sakes.. The guy pissed me off yesterday and possibly f#@$%ed us up long term for the playoffs. I trust him NOT to screw up 3-4 times in a game, he gets paid not to choke you num nuts

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Last yr you kept saying we should dump GG, that you would take a hammer to the back of his head..Why??? cause he screwed up the defense last yr? Why didnt you want to give him another chance like Moss Practice what you preach!!!talking out both sides of your mouth

Posted by: Oc Skins | October 15, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

While I was cussing Moss out during the game and bringing up how hard it is to root for Moss (I'm a VT fan and Moss burned us a few times back atthe u). I had to stop and think about what this man has done.

He's been nothing but a 'core' skin since the day he's been here. Worked his butt off, doesn't piss off people a pure team player. Ok, he hasn't had a good season this year. He benched himself, which is something the coaches SHOULD have done for himself.

Santana WILL step up and play. He's just as pissed off as himself as we are.

I still believe. I'm in pain and feel like a battered wife, but I still believe.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | October 15, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Such hyperbole up here today. Welcome back, jm220. A sala'am malekem. I think I spelled that right.

As far as draft picks are concerned, I think Landry and Blades have been good finds and any other talk is hindsight, plain and simple.

OC, you need to chill my friend. All of us are a little bent today and nobody should hate on my pal jm220 or Santana who has been at times the heart and soul of this squad. He is at least owning up to his part, which takes ba**$.

I will always have your back, jm. I think... unless we disagree. In which case we'll just have to, ugh you know the rest.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 15, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

OC Skins Double G didn't F up just one game but many games. If you go back to JLC first post of the D I gave double G credit for doing a good job.

If you live only to watch football on Sunday's than that no life at all which would explain your response. And if you really want to take it to next level and be a man and not coward talking trash over the computer. I will be in town this weekend.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Alright!
I raised this question in a comment I posted back in the spring.

How about the OL? We've got a new QB, are we sure we got the hogs up front? etc, etc.

Now, we lose a game and everybody talks about the draft...geez, get real.

Don't even bring up the draft, just save it till 2008.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll take exception to that JM. I called for O-linemen in the draft. Yes, Plural. I said the O-line depth was the biggest issue this team had, followed by D line and a 3rd WR. After the free agents at LB and DB, those were the holes.

Suprisingly the Skins have done reasonably well with picks in the Gibbs era. Everyone talks about finding the next Tom Brady in the 6th round, but most picks don't even make the team. That said, the Skins did very well with Sean Taylor. Jason Campbell is looking like a great pick. Landry and McIntosh are also looking like solid picks. Along the D line, we have a couple recent picks that are getting playing time. All in all, not bad.

But ... you would think that a Joe Gibbs team ... which won behind the best O-line in league history ... would stock up at that position.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back jm220!

Don't be too harsh on the WR's people, the rain was probably wetter than they expected!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Larry Bud. It's great to be back in the house. And I return the greetings of Wa alaikum assalam. (and peace be unto you)The correct spelling is Assalamu alaikum.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

OC - I was also calling for GG's head last season starting sometime in November, why because the defense was consistently playing mediocre. (sort of like our o this season in the second halves)And they didn't seem to be willing to make any changes.

Santana had a horrendous game yesterday no doubt but to call for his head after one game is a bit much. Vent. Venting is good. We all vent our guts out up here but I don't think you should put the whole season on Santana's performance yesterday.

Well I mean you can, you did, but not seriously. As a venting mechanism sure. Like a fan. You're blowing out the frustration like a steam valve. Or yoga breathing. Deep breathing. Or like the crazy holes they drill in skulls to relieve pressure on the brain. . . .wait what was my point?

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and crew are the weakest scouts in the league. Gibbs has been mortgaging the future since his arrival - hoping for the big year.

There has been little long term planning here. Hence, we are SOL w/ OL.

Forget JC, CP, SM etc. - w/o a line they all will be murdered. If not Sunday, then in Foxboro.

Hey, don't you think everyone swinging Def. Coor. now knows we can only run left!!!

Joe made his bed....

Posted by: GAD | October 15, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

jm - a repost from last thread - welcome back hope you had a happy Eid. Glad to have you back on the hamster wheel.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

OC Skins -I hope YOU rot - like the evil maggot you are

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember that post AL. Give a old guy a break. You know they say the memory is the first to go.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Reality check, O line is one of the most susceptaible to injuries on any team. These guys are mixing it up hard on every play. D linemen rotate in and out to stay fresh, and LBs blitz with a running start. Which is why depth will always be critical. Another thing most fans don't realize. its not your best o-lineman that determines the success of the line ... its the worst. The weakest link has more to do with how the line does than the best player. Of course, the Skins have gotten battered on the line. They had 5 good linemen in camp. Added Kendall to get to 6, with Wade as a backup. But now they've lost 3 starters and one backup. Thats really tough. But its also why you draft these guys everytime.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I might be off on this one, but does Grilliams giving props to Soup's courage, and saying he's proud of him, sound a little like he's trying to put his foot in a door?

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

JM, you want a break? From one old guy to another ... this beer's for you :)

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks sfskin. Yes I had a wonderful EID.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

All I knows is we needs us some swingin' souls to bring it this weekend at home....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | October 15, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Face it folks, the Skins are a deeply flawed team - a team with weakness in several major areas. Depth at O line is just one problem and probably not prior to yesterday the biggest issue. Lack of a true #1 receiver, not just some smurf with speed, and the inability to get consistent production from them is one huge hole in the O. Now you will have to bring Cooley in to block and that will limit his effectiveness. The defense still generates virtually no consistent pressure, and that will come back to haunt you when you go up against teams with good QB play - which up until now hasn't been the case. Farve of about 7-8 years ago would have lit you guys up like a Christmas tree. Also remember 2 WTF calls by the officials that took away TD's for the Pack too. Still playing in the pathetic NFC, actually most of the NFL save for 5-6 teams are mediocre at best, might sneak you into the postseason, but it'll be another illusion for the Skins and their long-suffering fans. From coaching to FO, they're still the gang that can't shoot straight.

Posted by: EricYing | October 15, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight. Rabach, is a bright athetlic player? Heyer is important? The same guys you said dont hustle. The same guys that play different from game to game. I understand, Jason, that you try and be objective. I've tried to be objective about you, despite your lame attempts at humor or name dropping '90s bands on your ipod. But, you're not. You're just not. Even PETER KING, a longtime new-Gibbs/snyder/skins basher rates the skins as on of the top 15 in the league. According to you, we are a debacle that doesnt fight. At least King knows what he is talking about.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Where is Nate?

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, hopefully they can get everything worked out in the next few weeks, but as I have been crying, bellyaching,whining and moaning to anyone who will listen about how the Skins would have been in better shape had they used any one, a combination, or all of this years' three wasted draft picks(Palmer,Sartz and Ecker) on F**king linemen.

Posted by: hsmall@reveal.com | October 15, 2007 06:14 PM

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda - and if elephants had wings, blah blah blah.

The draft was in April, A$$clown - that was six months ago. Get over it. And get over yourself.

Congratulations on being a Master of Second Guessing.

Posted by: The Mole | October 15, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

What about Kili Lefotu, any chance he gets bumped up from the practice squad?

Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 06:19 PM

Sure, as soon as someone posts his bail and gets him released from the Loudoun County Jail.

Posted by: The Mole | October 15, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, looks like the Cards picked up Keydrick Vincent.

Posted by: Daddy-OO | October 15, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

My thinking in the Skins is this. In 2007, we needed to be pretty healthy to be a good team. So far, ARE and Jason Campbell have exceeded expectations on offense. Campbell might be the best Skins QB since Sonny. Santana has been disappointing and when you're number 1 WR isn't doing much, thats a big hit. The running game is limited by the o-line and simply isn't clicking. McCardell should get plenty of playing time.

The defense across the board is much better. A healthy Springs and Griffin seem to make their units better. Baker was a huge upgrade and McIntosh is looking good. And Carter is playing much better as well. And the special teams are pretty good overall.

Can we win with a good young QB and a good defense? Yup. But it without a stable line, it won't look pretty. Campbell needs to get into a rhythm each game. If the o-line gets healthy and Santana returns to earlier form, then the Skins can play with anyone not named Indy or New England.

Its also clear that in the next draft, we should draft about 4-5 offensive linemen. Start to clear out cap space because Taylor and Campbell will want pay increases at some point. Big increases.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I love how prescient some mofo's are after the fact.....

Anon's go eat SJK

And dude OC skins chill dude, like your the only dude who cares this much right?

Vent away my man but re-read your posts you sound...well postal:

"I know I'm rotting in despair caused by him."

Wow dude, its a football game...believe me we'll lose worse, this year even....

have a beer, a bong hit, a lude, a few rails and gain some perspective...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

LMGO! CL is great reading your post again.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Look dude, Im pissed off about yesterday, and I would gladly meet you in town, if I lived in DC but Im in the OC, Orange County, Ca. Regardless, I dont know what to say..Like SF Skins says I will breath deeply, and Im sure by next week Ill be rooting Moss on.. I guess I stirred the pot up here..Just an overzealous fanatic that gets crushed when the team goes down the tubes

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

QB's of teams with 1 loss ... or less.
Romo, Favre, Rothlesberger, Garrard (4th in QB rating and zero INTs this season), Manning and Brady. Except for Favre, these guys are the top rated QB's in the league.
Which tells you how important having the right QB is ...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Nate's lurking...

Stumptown Chris, Nate and I (and a handful of other Redskins faithful) were at Upper Deck Sunday bright and early. Suffering.

T - minus 30 days for Nate's new addition.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah OC Skins take a deep breath brother. When we win on Sunday that will make us 4-2 which is where most of us thought we would be going into the Pats game.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

more expert anon analysis...wow dude thanks for enlightening me!

Manning and brady are good????? i wish i had known that when i drafted charlie frye for my fantasy team 1st overall.....

what is your point captain tool???????

i hardly think QB is the issue for the skins!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Will do Chris Larry...Minus the ludes though

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I know its early, but I think Campbell is going to be the best Skins QB since Sonny. I was encouraged by Campbell's great game vs Detroit, but that was Detroit. But against the Packers and their good defense, Campbell was brilliant. I took a look at the Skins first 8 possessions. 3 ended with a 3rd down drop (and I mean drop on a ball that should be caught every time, not some diving attempt off fingertips) on what would have been a 1st each tme. The fourth ended on Santana's fumble. Two ended in touchdowns. Only 2 ended because of the Packer defense stopping this Skins.

And Campbell did this with the line already down two starters. In Lambeau, a tough place to play. In weather. He also had a long play to Thrash called back and just missed Lloyd for what could have been a TD. His 12th pro start ... but he looks like the real deal.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

sweet OC Skins, than can i bum your ludes?

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ludes would be the DOC for some overly coked up hamster...esp after Sunday.

Keep me numb until game time.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

4th, if you're out there, I caught the piece on the 5 o'c News. It was very effective. Even though you are a soft-spoken guy, it made a powerful statement. Seeing you looking through the pictures was tough. I feel for you, as I'm sure does anyone who saw it. You did good.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, you got it bro.. I'll need the rails to balance me out after yesterday. SF Skin thats for the therapy, do you take Blue Cross?

Posted by: OC Skins | October 15, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry -- didn't mean to be anon. The real point is that this is a QB driven league, more than ever. Not a running back league. The top 5 RBs are from Min, SD, Mia, Bal, AZ. Only 1 winning team in that group.

To be a top team, you need a top QB playing at a high level. We have Campbell and I see him moving towards that level, even this early in his career.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Geez, some people need to learn something about pro football. Active roster you can carry 8-9 o-lineman. Practice squad you carry maybe 1-2 "project" OL. Some if you lose two starters before the game and 2 during a game you gonna have o-line issues.

This is not Gibbs 1.0 where they kept players line Ed Simmons on IR for two years to gove them time to learn the game. The reason for the practice squad was to eliminate the player stashing the Redskins excelled at.

Drafting three extra lineman this past year would not have made any difference yesterday. A 5-6-7 round pick for OL would yielded a practice squad player at best.

Heyer was a FA rookie and he is not an every down player yet by any means.

Should we have traded a pick for B.Lloyd, not really. We could used another DL/OL player for sure. But hindsight is always 20-20.

Plenty on this blog were very excited at the time by the trade.

Gibbs 2.0 legacy will be what it will be when he is done and nothing more or less.

Also, we are 3-2 with close losses. No blow outs so far and only 1 big play given up by the D. Could be worse we could Cinncy.

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 15, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

gotcha Al, see your point...just tryin to bust jokes to keep from cryin

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The 4 teams with a QB with a 90 rating or better and a top ten defense. Steelers, Jax, Colts and Pats.

Sounds like the winning prescription.

Skins are 3rd on defense. If the Skins passing game clicks, the running game becomes less critical. If Moss returns to form and the line holds out, the Skins become a very tough team.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to assassinate Goodell. The guy is a deranged.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

...a deranged what, I can't say.

Emmitt's really catching on huh?

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Over/under

number of trades before deadline at 4pm tues:

3

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Ooops, Cowboys also in that group with top 10 'D' and 90 or better passer rating.

Total record of the group
26-3 ...!!!! And take out the one game that teams from this group played against the other ... its 25-2.

Posted by: AL | October 15, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

cL, just by the Skins, or the whole NFL?

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

all nfl

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Go Falcons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Under. They would have to be of the dimebag/ham sandwich variety. There's sjk out there and it's too complicated with the structure of contracts these days.

If I'm GM I trade Cleveland's #1 for a CB, maybe DeAngelo. We cover about as well as Clapton doing I Shot the Sheriff.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

i'm depressed.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - I've noticed your name is back in CAPS today. Was it in lower case yesterday to acknowledge the loss?

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Cmon guys lets face it. With teams like the Pats out there..This team is not going to win the superbowl...so lets support them and pull our hearts out and maybe along the way have some fun with a possible playoff game......With the oline in this shape...the odds are very against this team....It sucks..I was hoping Gibbs could get another ring...but with one year left on his deal...we are at the cusp of the end of the Gibbs comeback and what is depressing for me is this...If Gibbs could not right this thing...Our God...where do we go from here...because now...we can no longer say "if Gibbs were here" as we could for 12 years before......

Posted by: Leevi | October 15, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

great post leevi...i feel your philosophy....

but there is hope:

gibbs 3.0: GRIMM!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

You think Grimm can be ahead coach? I sure hope so...who knows...Hell I just hate to say this but the Chin might be a great signing for this team...But we need a GM in teh worst way...Gibbs 1.0 had Bobby...It was the two heads that won all those years....It's sad cause in a way...Our Chief has been tarnished...I sure hope some how some way...Gibbs can pull it all together in year 5...wouldnt that be something?

Posted by: Leevi | October 15, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

kost, I was deflated. But now I am huffing and puffing and trying to blow the Giants down.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

leevi, don't believe the cowher hype...thats another money grab, snyder star fuc....

formula:

ditch cerratto, gibbs moves to team prez, hire grimm to be HC, let grimm bring with him a youngish hungry exec to be groomed as GM

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Grimm post Gibbs 2.0. I think Grimm may even demand a GM. Why do I think that? Absolutely no reason except he's yound and maybe realizes not having a GM is a bad idea.

BTW if our defense keeps it up I think we can wave buh bye to Williams as he goes and takes over Cincy, Atl, My Hammy or dare I say it the Jints.

Hey GO FALCONS!

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

hot-lanta baby!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1007/463982.html

Here is the 1st of I hope many stories. I am kinda drained guys. I have called anyone and everyone possible. I litteraly spent my 8 hours at work today on the phone to get my daughter's story out...

Posted by: 4th | October 15, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Listen I am literally, figuratively, ethically, morally, theologicaly, ontologicaly, esctalogicaly, biologicaly, physicaly, geographicaly, geologicaly, kinestically opposed to Guantanamo Bay as a prison.

However, if Goodell and the NFL take the Super Bowl overseas then I say SEND 'EM TO CAMP X-RAY and use "enhanced interrogation" techniques and declare them enemy combatants.

Sheesh anyone think this game was going to be an offensive game? Who knew?

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmm a deflated smack. I suppose you could also call that a Pat, couldn't you?

Go Falcons, go Shockey!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I might be off on this one, but does Grilliams giving props to Soup's courage, and saying he's proud of him, sound a little like he's trying to put his foot in a door?
Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 07:22 PM
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Yup. That's why I posted in the last thread that I thought Grilliams might take over next year. He seems to be easing his way into that role -- commenting on offensive players to the media, appearing to advise St. Joe on the sidelines while the offense is on the field more often, and waving CP off when he seemed to want to explain himself after the fumble yesterday.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Wrote too fast. Drained today and that's why I looked so drained on the video. Not having an attorney and trying to get this story out is hard work, for real....

But, because of this one story, I have an appoinment to meet with Glenn Ivey later this month to express what my frustration and what I am exactly trying to accomplish...

Posted by: 4th | October 15, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse


What about Kili Lefotu, any chance he gets bumped up from the practice squad?
Posted by: David | October 15, 2007 06:19 PM
Sure, as soon as someone posts his bail and gets him released from the Loudoun County Jail.
Posted by: The Mole | October 15, 2007 07:39 PM

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Coach Gibbs said he had talked briefly with Lefotu today, but that he didn't have all of the facts yet and wouldn't be making any decisions until he had all the necessary information.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

worst idea ever?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3065254
Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 08:16 PM

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I'm beginning to believe Goodell is a covert operative sent in by futbol fans to kill football.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I vote for Grimm post Gibbs 2.0. I think Grimm may even demand a GM. Why do I think that? Absolutely no reason except he's young and maybe realizes not having a GM is a bad idea.

Posted by: sfskin


I have a feeling Snyder simply won't hire anyone who wants a GM. Which is one of the reasons I think Cowher won't get in Up Here, and Grilliams will.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Pat, that's good. That's good. 23 more points to go, Razorback.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

c'mon Falcons, represent!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, great piece, you looked fine...great work looking for answers and fighting for your family!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

JustMe - Just read your previous post, and I completely agree.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

If i was an owner/gm i would never hire a college coach....patrino looks like a fool...who thinks morten anderson is kicking 48 yarder....punch em back with a punt......

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Eli! If you aren't throwing it to Shockey, throw it to someone in a Falcons Jersey!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

4th - great piece. Keep up the fight, we're all pulling for you. I'd offer a legal referral cause my sis is an attorney but not sure she has many connections in DC.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well done 4th, you keep fighting bud.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Ah well at least Falcs had one nice quarter.

It totally sucks how easy the Jints schedule appears to be for next few weeks.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

What movie star will eventually play the role of Eli Manning? Woody Allen maybe? Harry Shearer?

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Plexico is sick.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Why do other teams make it look so easy to score more than 20 points. Batards!

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,

I'm imagining Woody Allen in a Giants uniform and can't stop laughing. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

And with Woody at QB they would be the NY Angsts.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

*giggle* Isn't that what they are now?

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking more the guy from American Pie - the main character. He looks 12 just like Eli.

Back to our beloved team for a moment - if this season does not go too well and changes are going to be made then does keeping dubG as HC really represent a difference? I mean is he really going to bring in new people on the coaching staff etc?

I know why do I think these things in week 6? Idle hands as they say I guess.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

NY Neurotics - better alliteration : )

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think they have been faking Plexico's ankle injury? Each time I see that dude play I feel like that injury is less legit.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

GG would represent a difference for the guys on the offensive side of the ball. They have a completely different set of rules for those guys. Grilliams would put his boot on their neck and push them as hard as he pushes the players on D.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Pimple faced teen from The Simpsons.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse


Oh you better watch out
You're likely to cry
You'll probably pout
And I'm tellin' you why
Arizona's comin' to town...

They say Portis and Betts
Are two tough backs
But the way they've run
They look a whole lot like hacks
Arizona's coming to town

We see Santana crying
We see young Carlos wiff
We see your O-line blow up
And we see your 2nd half quit

Old Grampa Gibbs
Can't cut it these days
And in 750 pages
Saunders still can't find a play
Arizona's comin' to town

Get ready to eat desert dirt Deadskins!!

Posted by: Captain Card | October 15, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"Mr.Coughlin, it's happening again!"

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

JustMe - good point but is that really the difference "necessary" or do you set up a situation where o players sort of think this is crahp and get alienated? Not particularly professional mind you but witness Jints and Atlanta among others with locker room issues.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

What injury. I should have such an injury.

Posted by: SMACK | October 15, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Come on, there's a Cards fan up here?!?

I'm sorry I can't take trash talking from the Cards or Cards fans seriously. Even if we manage to lose to them I still can't. Sorry. If they do something consistently especially in the postseason I will. But till then it's like trash talking from a Wizards fan (sorry to all present).

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh the humanity! Atlanta - all I hear is the funeral march for this team.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

sfskin - Especially when they're coming off a loss to Vinny Testeverde!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

giants will score here.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

lotta give up in this falcons team...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Ah there is the Eli we want to see.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

At this point, I don't think anyone should be overly concerned about the feelings of our players on O. How can they justifiably be mad at being held to the same standards as the other half of the team?

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

nice jawz called that...quadruple coverage Eli

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

kost - too true. And Vinny T. didn't just kinda win he really took them to town considering he'd practiced for 3 days.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Poor Harrington is really taking a beating back there.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

JustMe - totallya agree. Someone has to kick the o in the pants but I'm wondering if they'd respond to that from dubG considering last season. Don't know.

As I said earlier I'm not at all convinced that dubG is HC material.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Did you see Vinny's game winning TD to Steve Smith? The DB just flat out STOPPED while the ball was in the air!!

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Coach Gibbs has stated repeatedly that he is finishing out his contract...in fact stated it so emphatically one has to believe him. So barring illness or his grandson getting worse, he will be here another year. After that, I think he will head back to Carolina.

Darn lucky Giants! They played the Jets last weekend, ATL tonight, get SF next Sunday and then Miami....can one team get a softer schedule????

Posted by: Andre | October 15, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

They've seen GG cut loose guys he likes, but who no longer fit what he wants to do (Wynn, Salave'a, Stoutmire, etc.). They'd know that if they did not meet his expectations, they will be gone.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

I'm not convinced that Grilliams is head coach material, either. But, I'm also not convinced he'd be bad. And, since I like the general idea of some continuity (and keeping the D we have, the way it is with the exception of an upgrade at D end next year), I wouldn't mind him getting a shot at the HC job before it goes to someone else.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, mighty RI blog, for helping ease the pain of yesterday. Great reading today.

Welcome back, jm220.

Skins better win on Sunday, baby. Pure and simple.

Posted by: farstriker | October 15, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

That's right, it seems like there's a different rule on defense. If you don't perform, you'll be gone. But on offense, you'll be given 2nd and 3rd chances.

Archuleta - Gone.
Lloyd - Still here.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

i was just thinking, i wish jimmy kimmell could join the broadcast

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm torn on the continuity issue. If we have to hit the restart button why wait? Also I'm ready for more of youth movement I have to say.

On the other hand if we're on the cusp of a real turn around then the continuity is key.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Arch Deluxe, did you all hear he got benched at halftime yesterday? Yikes.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand if we're on the cusp of a real turn around then the continuity is key.

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 10:34 PM

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That's what I'm thinking. And, if we have the right players for the most part, and Grilliams is the right man for the job, 1 season (St. Joe's 5th year) should be enough for him to get things going firmly in the right direction.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure it won't take too long for Lovie to best utilize his talents..... Personal Punter Protector.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

WOW guest in the booth just backfired horrendously!!!!! First of all Kimmell was unfunny and detracted as Falcons attempt to crawl back and than he takes a cringeworthy, uncalled for, unfunny and completely unreacted to swipe at Joey T....

Kimmell Drulz
Joey T rulz!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

*giggle* I seem to Frosty taking a pretty good swipe last season right after Arch was identified as his personal protector.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Special guests in the booth on MNF is the reason I almost always watch it muted.

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me how the Falcons are not starting oe playing Jerrius Norwood in this game?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

His average is like 30 yards a carry, he could have had a Adrian Peterson like day with the Giants overpursueing.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

***Fantasy Post***

i played santana on Sunday: net points = -2

Not bashing, just sayin...

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Grimm would provide the right balance of change/continuity...

Get ready people, I will be banging this drum al year......

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Santana has got to get better. Everyone who talks about him having a bad game must not be watching the Washington Redskins this year or are completely blind. He has been bad the WHOLE SEASON! Drop after drop, game after game. Now I think the world of the guy, hell we have the same b-day! But I call them how I see the. I remember JC plan in the off season, he and the WRs were going to get together and have a passing camp. Never happened. Why? JC said it was hard getting everyone on the same schedule.
Now if they had worked together in the off season maybe Santana would be able to get a completion or get the timing right. I submit as evidence, the long passes JC has thrown this year. It seems like every time he throwns to a WR over 20 yards they are usually diving to make the catch. The long passes never seem to catch the WRs in stride.
I don't blame Moss for the everything that went wrong on Sunday. I still believe that he's one of the best WRs in the league. Hopefully this game will wake him out of his slumber.
One more thing, an injured hamstring and groin have nothing to do with catching the ball! If you get injured while making the catch, I understand. If you practice with the injury for weeks there is no excuse not to make a catch that hits you in the hands.

Posted by: priceisright | October 15, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

If Grimm comes, who do you think should run the defense?

Posted by: JustMe | October 15, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Shockey is such a SJK-head...

By the way have you noticed the last two weeks Skins have been tackled by trips and no flags...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

SF,
Love it.:)
I gotta give that Cards fan points of effort and originality.

Posted by: Stumped | October 15, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or wasn't that penalty on Shockey the same thing that happened to the Reaper on Sunday w/ no penalty?

Posted by: priceisright | October 15, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Just Me:

If Grimm is HC. Grilliams can stay if he wants, if he doesn't or gets HC job somewhere else fine. Promote Greg Blanche to D-Cord. Has been one before, will help sustain continuity. Also means some of the staff will stick around under Blanche.

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

In Grilliams time as Head Coach in Buffalo-

First year(01)- QB Rob Johnson was injured early, and the team had to go with Alex Van Pelt as starting QB for the season. They finished 3-13 with the Defense ranked 21st overall.

Second year(02)- Traded for Drew Bledsoe, from memory they started slowly, but came home fast winning 4 of their final 5, finishing 8-8 and just short of a playoff berth (the 3 other AFC East teams finished 9-7). Defense finished 15th overall.

Third year(03)- Had playoff expectations after the previous seasons strong finish, but Bledsoe regressed and offensively the team struggled finishing with a 6-10 record. Defense finished 2nd overall.

He was fired following the 2003 season.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams is NOT a HC. Maybe he gets shot #2 and pulls a Belicheat (lot of similarities) and I will heat Crow gumbo....

Grilliams is the Norv of defense in my bloated, modest opinion!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 15, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

if joe leaves next year, our head coach will be Bill Cowher. it's a given.

Posted by: sparky | October 15, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up all? Actually had an opportunity to watch the game Sunday, unlike last week.

No way the Skins should've lost that game. In my opinion, the Skins should've blown the Pack out... period.

I know a lot of it was dependent on the health of the offensive line, but plain and simple, those guys get paid to block, end of story.

Shout outs to the D, for giving the offense every opportunity in the world to win the game. Here's hoping they can mirror the past two weeks in their next couple of games.

The Reaper is a beast... should've had no less than 4 INTs though, but 2 out of 5 ain't bad. Obviously, he wasn't the only one dropping passes. Why opposing offenses continue to throw anywhere in his direction, is beyond me. He'll either play the role of "Devastator" and absolutely destroy a wideout or he'll cover enough ground to pick the pass off, or at least deflect it.

Anyone else find it funny when Double Move bounced off GB's TE on that 60 yard pass and fell to the ground. Go low next time instead of trying to act like The Reaper or LSquared.

I won't even mention the dropped balls. Soupy can only do so much. At some point, the guys who get paid those millions of dollars need to come through instead of leaving JC hanging... literally by a thread.

Lastly, for some reason in the 3rd quarter, I had a feeling that a reverse would be called to Santana Moss. I know he's one of the playmakers, and you want to get the ball in his hands, but it was obvious that dude was having an off game. Why even take that chance, regardless of the weather conditions, etc? And that pitch to CP at around the 8 yard line... classic. No need to get cute with the playcalling at that point, just run the ball and get it out of that end of the field.

Here's hoping for bigger and better things against the Cards this Sunday. I certainly have supreme confidence in the D. Maybe the receivers need to purchase the $500 dollar receiver gloves for next week's game instead of running to Modell's (this store even still exist back in the DMV?) and buying those clearance gloves.

Posted by: SFIDV (Skins Fan In Da Ville) | October 15, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

CL - I'm not sure about Grimm. I don't mean to sound like I doubt if he'll be good. I'm just not sure if he'll be hired. Just like with free-agents, Danny likes to make a splash with his Head Coaches, look at his hirings Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Gibbs.

Cowher fits my 'splash' theory, but I think he'll want more control than Danny will want to give him.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

would you guys like to see Thomas put on IR to get a new spot open? In my opinion, I think we should grind it out with the guys we have, and should cut somebody else. Even if Thomas can come back in mid-December, this team could use a healthy Thomas for the last 3 games. I think our O-line can manage for 6 games. After all, these guys are paid professionals, too.

Hopefully Rabach's injury isn't serious. As long as he's there and the left side remains intact, we should be okay until Randy gets back.

All I know is....we aren't gonna get beat by 21 by the Patsies. our D will hold them to under 30.

Posted by: kman | October 15, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

kman - I'm not sure, I guess it all depends of how serious these latest injuries are (Captain Obvious there!), if all three of those guys are going to be gone for a couple of weeks, I don't think we can keep 4 inactive lineman on the roster and have enough room so sign a replacement or two.

Posted by: kost52 | October 15, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Wearing nothing but Burgundy & Gold-colored glasses, you're hearing it here 1st:

The Skins will keep the Pats under 30 points and hand them their 1st loss of the year.

Taking the glasses off: ;-)

The defense is legit; they gave the Offense every opportunity to win that game. ASSUMING we get some stable O-line performance this offense, as I've said before, is hairs away from rolling off 27-34 points a game. JC is rounding into the QB I thought he would be; Who would you prefer right now: JC or Leinart? JC hands down, and that includes Roethelesburger, Grossman, Cutler, and I'd say Romo, too.

Pains me to think where this team would be with a healthy o-line; oh, probably 5-0!!! Constant through all of Gibbs 1.0 was Jacoby-Grimm-Bostic-May-McKenzie, Schlereth, etc; with my GM-hat on, your priority should always be to stockpile d and o-linemen, because that's where the game starts-in the trenches.

Maybe I'm the lone 'Receiver, The' defender, but he showed separation on that almost-TD; my gut tells me his time will come, but the team really needs it now, too.

IF WE STABILIZE THE O-LINE this team is 10-6/11-5 material. Gibbs would be smart to come back next year, 'cause this team will seriously contend for the NFC championship next year with the RIGHT moves and current player signings.

Posted by: adinasi | October 15, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

After the trade deadline does it matter if Thomas goes IR or not? This is where my knowledge of the league rules falls off a cliff.

Here's a funny thought - if we hold the Pats to under 30, even if we lose it'll be like the biggest story of the week. Although depends what they do against My Hammy. (Ya never know. . . .seriously . . .okay well . . .hmmm)

Posted by: sfskin | October 15, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that the O is so scary right now that the Skins could lose to the Pats by as many points as the D holds them to.

Posted by: LH | October 16, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

sfskin - Not 100% sure, but I didn't think the trade deadline effected IR at all. CP went on IR last year, I think it was about Week 8-9?

Posted by: kost52 | October 16, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Pass the Burgundy and Gold glasses here's my take/turn:

If we have a big game against Arizona, a statement game if you will (not that anyone will take it seriously but us but that's good) + Pats roll over My Hammy like Moons over My Hammy and get all cockeyed focused on the Colts + St. Joe gets hot under the collar + media ticks off some players = we can sneak into NE and engage in the biggest upset of the season.

Man I love wearing these glasses! They make the Kool Aid super colorful.

HAIL!

Posted by: sfskin | October 16, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

kost - my question was clear as mud. If trade deadline passes and what do we get from putting Thomas on IR unless we bring someone up from practice squad. In other words, after trade deadline there isn't anyone for us to bring in right? Unless they've been cut?

Posted by: sfskin | October 16, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

From Al

I know its early, but I think Campbell is going to be the best Skins QB since Sonny

Heath Shuler says:

This might be true but it is a curse do not say this. I think the best QB we had in the last 30 years was Trent Green! Maybe Joe. Mark was a system QB.

M&M says

We had a good line with back ups. They all got hurt. If the 83 skins had five guys out on the right side who would be playing?

Good linemen cost money and want to start.

People seemed to figure this out so linemen are getting more expencive each year (think Bills).

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Posted by: M&M | October 16, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

sfskin - Gotcha! You're right, I guess it all depends on what free-agents are still out there. Assuming all three won't play versus Arizona, our starting line could be Samuels, Kendall, Pucillo, DeMulling, Fabini. Which would leave Albright as the only lineman on our roster, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to go there. We have Lefotu and Geisinger on the practice squad, and I'm pretty sure they're both guards. We have so many injuries at the moment, we might have to make some room just to get some fit lineman on the roster.

Posted by: kost52 | October 16, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

You know, this lack of roster space, could force their hand with The Receiver??

Posted by: kost52 | October 16, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

it's such a tough move to take out Thomas for the season...
especially after seeing the Cowpies (arguably the most complete, and best, team in the NFC) get their behinds handed to them, it's conceiveable that ANY of the 6 teams that wind up in the playoffs can represent the NFC in Arizona.

I guess all we can hope for is that Bubba gives us good prognoses tomorrow. As has been said earlier, with a healthy line, this team can beat anyone in the NFC.

Posted by: kman | October 16, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I didnt get to watch the game on Sunday,
but to those of you who did: did you see The Receiver actually make progress? I know he didnt have any stats, but apparently he had a catch that was taken away from a penalty? and he also almost caught a bomb in which he actually put effort?

With a healthy Moss & ARE and production from Lloyd, this team could part ways with the extra WRs and solve a lot of problems.

DAMNIT LLLLLLLLOYD!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kman | October 16, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

kman

Are you someones mother? (Lloyd?)

Posted by: M&M | October 16, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I will say this the players are backing him.

I heard JC say something nice. They asked the coaches to put him in last week.

That did not happen last year.

Posted by: M&M | October 16, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

M&M,

if Lloyd was my son, i woulda smacked him for his week 1 performance, and made sure his a$$ woulda played well....

so, no...haha

Posted by: kman | October 16, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Zona visiting the Skins this weekend a classic trap game? Here you've got home soil, Zona starting a #3 QB ... even Double G must already be watching a lot of Pats film hoping to keep them under 21 points.

Lot of RI people thinking 4-2 and preparing for the Pats. Trouble, I tell ya.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | October 16, 2007 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Paps in Manila

Every one on the blog has killed themselves because of the loss.

With no O line there is no trap game. If you did not hear we lost all our backups. We have no O line.

Pats are a lost cause. J E T S jets jets jets

The Giants are pretty good and have the best schedule in the NFL. Except for the pats.

Posted by: M&M | October 16, 2007 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Paps in Manila

Every one on the blog has killed themselves because of the loss.

With no O line there is no trap game. If you did not hear we lost all our backups. We have no O line.

Pats are a lost cause. J E T S jets jets jets

The Giants are pretty good and have the best schedule in the NFL. Except for the pats.

Posted by: M&M | October 16, 2007 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Is that the REDSKINETTES in 3rd place? Tried to tell you KOOL-AIDE drinking FOOLS! Next will be LAST place after EAGLES take 3rd place!! HAHAHEHEHEHEHAAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHA! I dont care who you are thats some funny stuff!!

Posted by: REBUILD NOW or FOREVER drink the KOOL-AIDE!! | October 16, 2007 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I am glad it is time for the kiddies to go to school.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Gee, I hope Portis and Moss decide to play Sunday. Coaches just need to leave them alone this week so they can get their karma right.

Posted by: GAD | October 16, 2007 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs' dad is in a coma. The story is in The Columbus Dispatch.

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Ron Springs, a former Ohio State captain and Dallas Cowboy running back, was in a coma in a Dallas hospital last night because of complications from a Saturday surgery, a family friend told The Dispatch.
Springs, 50, had a cyst removed from one his arms, said John Johnson, who has had close ties with the family since Springs transferred to OSU in 1976 from a junior college.
Shawn Springs, Ron's son and a former OSU All-America cornerback and current NFL player, reportedly was at his father's side.
Ron Springs was diagnosed with diabetes 17 years ago. In recent years he lost his right foot and two toes on his left foot because of complications. He underwent a successful kidney transplant in March. The donor was his close friend and former Cowboys teammate Everson Walls.

Posted by: JustMe | October 16, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

What does it feel like to have about 50 points scored on you in one game? What does it feel like to be outscored by 21 points? Let's talk about it.

Did you just cry or curl up in fetal position and weep uncontrollably

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 16, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

There are no trap games for the skins....they can win every one, they can lose every one, they will be in everyone...

If any fan is looking past the Cardinals they don't know football, the redskins or have any common sense

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 16, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

What does it feel like to have about 50 points scored on you in one game? What does it feel like to be outscored by 21 points? Let's talk about it.

Did you just cry or curl up in fetal position and weep uncontrollably

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 16, 2007 08:45 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That's what I'm talking about. C'mon out all you cowgirl fans and let's talk about your big home game vs the Pats!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 16, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

With what has to be the worst O-line in the league right now, looking past anyone would be really stupid at this point.

The Cardinals were always a thorn in our side.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

CL,

"they can win every one, they can lose every one, they will be in everyone..."

That is all I ever ask of them, especially that they will be in every game. So far this year, they have done that.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 16, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Being outscored by 21 pts very Misleading but Your STUPID AS* knows that and the fact its your BLOG and your afraid to POST REAL NAME shows your not MAN enough to STAND by your team!!

Your REDSKINETTES cant even score 21 so lets talk about it COWARD!!

Posted by: WHINER POSTERS | October 16, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

PS
What does it feel like to to fall to LAST PLACE each year? Lets talk about it!!

Posted by: Kool-aide Please I can see they SUCK!! | October 16, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

cosmofla
You FUC**NG IDIOT Whos in 1st place in NFC? and whos fell to 3rd in DIV? Losing to patriots which your SUCKY team will also do is nothing you can use in your PATHETIC attempt to STROKE your DEPRESSION!!

Im sure youll try to say you wont lose by 21 and that will make you look like the FOOTBALL IDIOT you are!!

Posted by: Is the KOOL-AIDE KEG empty? I can see the REDSKINETTES SUCK!! | October 16, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

ESPN on its STUDS & DUDS ratings has MOSS listed as a DUD. And maybe its time to cut cord? What has he really done last couple years? Those 2 catches from brunell were DECADES ago and he shouldnt get a pass for that!! (BRUNELL doesnt get pass for that game)!!

Posted by: Know when to cut cord? | October 16, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Romo was on the duds list last week. Maybe you should cut the cord with him. While your at it maybe you should cut your wrists.

You have a 1 game lead in the division. Stop you're embarrassing yourself.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Bring on Arizona! More Goldston.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 16, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Romo - Dud in big games
TO - Dud in big games
Williams - Dud in every game
Jerry Jones - King Dud

No playoff wins in 10 years.

That spells D-U-D.

Got it, Dud Boy?

Posted by: not Milk Duds | October 16, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Win a playoff game this century then come and talk to us.

Also what do Jerry Jones, Al Rocker, Star Jones and Meg Ryan have in common?

They have the same plastic sureon. Fact!

Posted by: Da Truef | October 16, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Boy it seems pretty rough on here these days. I gather the ITA strategy is no more?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 16, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

4th-Just watched the video clip of your tragedy. I hope you get the answers that you deserve soon. Bless you.

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 16, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The ITA strategy pulled a groin muscle and is out of action for awhile.

Posted by: Bubba | October 16, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

RC,

Do the trolls show up on the Dolphin blogs?

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 16, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I swear some people are idiots on here, gets sports talk caller dumb.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 16, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

To all Dallas Fans -

Seriously, why....why do it? Why subject yourselves to making every stereotype about "The Dallas Fan" come to light? Look, we get it, you're not very smart okay? Please stop littering this blog with your outward expression, it's literally making us dumber.
...I also bet you've never been to Dallas or even TX for that matter... Your tough games will come and you'll probably lose half of them, if not more, so just be patient and show a little resolve...PLEASE.

Posted by: POOP | October 16, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I will be the first one to admit that I think Gregg Williams is not head coaching material but there are days like today I wish he were our head coach.

Instead of Gibbs talking about how hard everything about playing offense is (the headset failures, the offensive line injuries, etc . . .), Williams would line up the whole offense and tell it to them bluntly. Everyone one of you is underperforming your contract. You are stealing money from the organization. The job of the offense is to score points. And you are not scoring points. You have reached the league average of 21 points once in five games. Shut up and play football. Practive should be crisp and effective. Mistakes will be held against you. And if you can't or won't play correctly, you'll be sitting next to me on the bench.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | October 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Was wondering if there was any contact with Will Whitacker(SP) the guard who suffered a high ankle sprain in Training Camp, and we subsequently released. It happened a while ago, so I'm hoping he's close to healed.

I guess J-la would have to answer this one....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Ugh.

I keep going back to that Reaper lateral attempt, where it seemed like he just knew the D was going to have to score, putting it on his shoulders because nothing was going right... like he was channeling LaVar in that Panthers game, feeling like it was his personal responsibility to get something going. It's just pathetic that our O couldn't play with that same focus, that same sense of desperate urgency... catch the ball already, fellas.

So maddening that we coulda woulda shoulda been 5-0 right now, but we refused to win those two games...

So frustrating, this freakish spate of groin and hammy injuries. And this putting the damn ball on the carpet is just inexcusable and gots to stop. And the dropsies. Why must Clinton and Santa test my faith in them so much?

Private to AS: do not ever again call one of those slow-developing, ten-yards-behind-the-LOS trick plays. Never again.

Counting on my main man Joseph Aloysius Bugel to make lemonade out of these backup O line lemons is getting harder and harder.

But hope springs eternal, especially with this defense. Oh, this defense is good.

We're going to get well against Tim "Out of the Cellar" Rattay and the Cards, in a good, tough game, and we'll be right back on the happy fun "wheeeee!" part of the roller coaster ride.

HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 16, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya Nate in PDX. I had the same reaction to Taylor's lateral. He had zero confidence in the offense to score points. Funny, the same thing happened in 2004 against the Packers at home when our offense was even worse. We had three picks and on one of them Shawn Springs was racing from sideline to sideline with an air of desperation like had had to get in the endzone or we would never score.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | October 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Ah it's not that ITA is dead it's that Boofer is like one of those squeeze balls. So much fun to yell at that it's stress relief.

Otherwise it's the typical we suck yada yada, oline yada yada, trap game blah blah blah.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

First of all, any notion of Saunders getting fired isn't going to happen at mid-season.

The Ravens last year, and this year, couldn't score 20 points. Currently the Skins average 20 points, so I don't think Joe will pull a "Billick" and fire Saunders like Fassel was.

Yes, drafting o-linemen would've been nice, but they would be green anyway. But they would be more familiar with the system then a free agent.

Two, three years ago they drafted two lineman, Molinaro, and another guy from Cal, but they didn't work out.

Lefotu could be a candidate, but he got arrested over the weekend. And you know Joe is going to take disciplinary action against him.

My thought: relax!

They play Arizona, who doesn't have a scary defense, and is starting a third string QB, Tim Rattay, who has only been there a week.

The win is in the bag, and let's hope everyone comes back for the big game at New England.

Expect a big game from Santana...he'll get out of this slump.

Posted by: dg | October 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

In anyone needs to pull a Billick, it is Saunders. This offense needs one voice and that voice should not be Joe Gibbs' voice. The playcalling is finally a legitmate pro-style offense that keeps defenses off-balance (unlike 2004 and parts of 2005). What has not changed is that the offense is sloppy, inefficient, and too tolerant of mistakes. False starts, dropped snaps, fumbles, dropped passes are all too common. This offense has never legitimately scored 21 or more points for 3 straight games (I don't count the 2005 Philly game because the defense scored or contributed 14 points). This offense has never been in sync and I have to think it goes back to Coach Gibbs. I don't know what practices are like but I doubt they are crisp, serious, and mistake-free.

I say turn the offense completely over to Saunders. Let him call the plays, run the two-minute drill, and hold players accountable. If he fails, then fire him. But right now he is taking all the blame when he really only has a small part in the offensive dysfunction.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | October 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I figured out the solution to reduce my sense of gloom ... and it relies heavily on Jason Campbell's fire hose passes on the long ball. [Anybody else notice that his deep passes don't have much "hang time"?]

Here's the plan ... and it does not require JC to do ANY drops. Not 3 step, not 5 step, not 7 step.

Campbell stands behind the line of scrimmage ... about 17 yards (somewhere between 15-20). Ethan Allbright is the new center. Money snaps every time. The guards block for Allbright. Blitzes eliminated from concern. Need for the "hot read" eliminated. Time for receivers to get down field? Deep ball eliminated, but the short and intermediate passes open way up. JC can stand there. Roll right. Roll left. Spin. Pirouette. Whateves.

Problem. Solved.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Works in touch football anyway.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I hate to contribute to the doom and gloom but one last point of clarification. I have noticed over the years that the statistics maintained by ESPN and NFL.com do not seem to distingusih between offensive and defensive scoring. Particularly early in the year it makes a big difference. We are currently credited in the offensive stats category with 101 points or 20.2 points per game. However, once you subtract out Andre Carter's safety and Carlos Rogers' pick six, we have 91 points or 18.2 points per game. That is the more honest number.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | October 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Mark (of the future) no, we don't get many (any?) trolls for two reasons:

f) You need a logon for the Blogs I go to.
6) What fun would there be in taunting Miami fans right now? It would be like doing a smackdown on a baby.

Anyway, the collective angst of Miami fans has now reached such unprecedented levels of energy that they actually might be able to reach back up the CAT5 cable and throttle someone if they tried!!

Me, I try to remain sanguine, but it's a challenge. We have the Patriots this week...

Posted by: Redcoat | October 16, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Dallas fans in this area (within 50 miles of DC in any direction) crack me up. they are such easy prey. First of all, I know a lot of people - and I have only met one Cowgirls fan that's actually FROM Dallas, let alone TX. They all have the most absurd reasons as to why they're fans which only underscores the fact that they're nothing more than fair weather gravy-trainers. I have heard everything from comparing the appeal 'Girls to Yankees' so-called 'global appeal'. I have heard people say, "Oh, I used to be a Redskins fan but I am anti-Snyder now and I root for Dallas." Most of the time, it's a simple case of their geographically appropriate team sucking royally so they proclaim themselves fans of America's Team (which they really aren't if you know the history of that moniker) to somehow make themselves feel better.
Most Dallas fans are barely a notch above Baltimore Ravens fans. They are typically dumb, IROC-driving, mullet-having, acid wash jeans wearing, loudmouth losers who only have reason to boast due to the Redskins' lack of consistent winning. And for the millionth time Cowpoke fan, yes, we know why there's a hole in the top of the stadium.

It's so God can take a dump on Jerry Jones.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 16, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Can someone post the link for 4th's video please?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Bravo, Mr. P.

Posted by: Uncle Heyron | October 16, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Well done P.
As somebody who has never lived in DC area, but been a skins fan all my life, I don't really agree that you have to be from a place to root for a team. I live in texass now, and the 95% of the cowpie fans I have met are unknowledgable, don't really care, and would rather talk $H1t than actually take satisfaction in their team winning.
F Dallas
F the cards
F the rest of the NFL
Hail to the Skins!

Posted by: nah | October 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

You FUC**NG IDIOT Whos in 1st place in NFC? and whos fell to 3rd in DIV? Losing to patriots which your SUCKY team will also do is nothing you can use in your PATHETIC attempt to STROKE your DEPRESSION!!

Im sure youll try to say you wont lose by 21 and that will make you look like the FOOTBALL IDIOT you are!!

Posted by: Is the KOOL-AIDE KEG empty? I can see the REDSKINETTES SUCK!! | October 16, 2007 09:17 AM

Couple points...
1) First of all Frenchy, we speak English up here.
G) Next of all, your "boys" got b!tch slapped to the tune of 48 points at home! In language you can understand, that's FORTY-EIGHT!
Q) Just in case you didn't understand the last point, your super fantastic team had a 48 (FORTY-FREAKIN" EIGHT!) spot dropped on them. AT HOME!

next question...

Posted by: Groin Strain | October 16, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

From sporting news preview: "The Redskins like to send their linebackers on the blitz" Huh? Do these people even watch the games? The skins have blitzed less in the last 3 games than I can ever remember!

Posted by: nah | October 16, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention that they said that the Cardinals had the edge over us in the "running back" caregory. Um...really?

I'll take Portis and Betts over Edge, any day.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Rattay last weekend in 3 quarters of work.


Tim Rattay, signed last week as Arizona's only backup, replaced Warner. He completed 12-of-24 passes for 159 yards and no touchdowns, and he threw three interceptions.

I think we'll blitz this week a bit depending on what how our offense fairs.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure i'd take Portis over edge right now. Edge has more yards and more TD's than both of them combined.

Posted by: Skinz | October 16, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | October 16, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Skinz, no need to blitz a QB this bad... let Rattay stand back there and play catch with the Reaper.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Uncle Heyron & nah. I would further submit that Dallas fans who hitch their star (pun intended) to Tony "flash in the pan" Romo will have their egos coming crashing back to Earth if they haven't already. Go sign another jailbird Dallas. Who is Dallas' new defensive coordinator going to be, Jackie Childs? Too bad William Perry and Michael Irvin can't play for the Cowgirls anymore. They'd be the only team with a 'fridge AND a coke machine. Lastly we all know why Texas stadium took out the astroturf....the cowboys play better on "grass".

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 16, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

A lot of people from DC, I am speaking specifically of African-Americans and more specifically older ones, have hated the Redskins since forever because of the team's past racist ownership/history (last NFL team to have a Black player and only doing so after being threatened with legal action by the Justice Department). Many of them started rooting for the Cowboys when they became the hated team's most hated rival. Before that they rooted for whoever was beating the 'Skins.

Posted by: LH | October 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Draft - 2008 Redskins needs:
WR - speed receiver with size-replace Moss
RB - to replace Pohtis
OT - 1 starter, 1 depth
OG - 1 starter, 1 depth

DT - 1 start
DE - 1 start/depth
CB - starter to replace Rogers

Still short on talent,
Gibbs is gone after this year!


Posted by: Chris P | October 16, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

LH - I am not qualified to address your feelings about being offended by the old-days percieved racist leanings by Redskins' ownership. I will ask though, did you root for Doug Williams? I think we are all proud of his accomplishments on and off the field not just in the pros, but in college as well. I used to go to games at RFK and have followed the 'Skins since I was 5 and honestly, I have never heard that angle before as a reason why some DC area fans root for Dallas. I know for a fact that John Thompson has issue with having white men on his basketball teams at Georgetown save for Tom Lang and one other guy from Gonzaga back in the 90's but I would pull for them no matter what. Just a different point of you but I have to respect yours I guess.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 16, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Cantreporta writes "If this offensive line has to enter coming weeks with anything close to the unit that closed out this game, though, then I don't want to hear anyone bash this kid no matter what his numbers look like."

It's funny how this idiot reporter will criticize anything and everything about the Redskins, but will stand up for the guys he likes. He hates Gibbs and the coaches and has no respect for any of them, and his reporting reflects that. He loves Campbell and his reporting reflects that as well.

What is most comical, is that he will defend Campbell for the very same reasons he is attacking the rest of the team (injuries to the O-line). He gives Campbell a pass because, he says, of the injuries to the O-lineman. But he will not give a pass to the rest of the offense, even though they are the ones dealing with the injuries as well.

Bottom line, La Cantreporta is done covering this team after this season (and hopefully gone from this town after this season as well).

Posted by: Fire the beat reporter already! | October 16, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Fire..." Funny. I don't know much about the kid. Actually, when I saw his picture, I thought he was the kid who delivers my paper each morning.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 16, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Wayne P. let me begin by informing you that I am a 'Skins fan despite the "old days." I will say it is funny that I relay my personal perspective about a segment of the DC-area Cowboys fan base and you bring up John Thompson. There is no comparison between George Preston Marshall and John Thompson. John Thompson did not openly deny white players the opportunity to play for Georgetown nor did he use his influence to have other schools keep whites off of their teams as Marshall did.

Posted by: LH | October 16, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Cantreporta writes "If this offensive line has to enter coming weeks with anything close to the unit that closed out this game, though, then I don't want to hear anyone bash this kid no matter what his numbers look like."

It's funny how this idiot reporter will criticize anything and everything about the Redskins, but will stand up for the guys he likes. He hates Gibbs and the coaches and has no respect for any of them, and his reporting reflects that. He loves Campbell and his reporting reflects that as well.

What is most comical, is that he will defend Campbell for the very same reasons he is attacking the rest of the team (injuries to the O-line). He gives Campbell a pass because, he says, of the injuries to the O-lineman. But he will not give a pass to the rest of the offense, even though they are the ones dealing with the injuries as well.

Bottom line, La Cantreporta is done covering this team after this season (and hopefully gone from this town after this season as well).

Posted by: Fire the beat reporter already! | October 16, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Go back to ES where you belong, Trollie.

Posted by: SP | October 16, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone tried to figure out why there so many injuries this year? And especially hamstrings. Do we look to the training and conditioning?

Posted by: Ed | October 17, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

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