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Injury Update

Coach Gibbs said several players told him they are definitely returning for this game, without specifying.

Guard Randy Thomas (triceps), a key offensive cog, stopped of short of saying he will return Thursday, but sounded swfully optimistic.
"Mentally, I'm there," Thomas said. "Physically, I'm there, And we've got to win this game. I can't wait."

Fullback Mike Sellers (back) practiced fully Gibbs said and it's clear he will make every attempt to play, though the team will have to assess his condition tomorrow after finally getting back on the field today.

WR James Thrash (ankle) is still working through some problems, but WR Antwaan Randle El (hamstring) practiced.

CB Shawn Springs will have to get his back evaluated Gibbs said but the feeling is that it's probably just sore and he will prepare to play.

The Redskins do not have to release their injury report until Wednesday.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 4, 2007; 5:02 PM ET
 
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Comments

I like what I am hearing.
Play through the pain. It's now or never and if we can't do it now then we have all season to rest.

HTTR!!!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Im an eternal optimist....but I really believe its going to be to little to late...I hope im wrong.

Posted by: icecold2481 | December 4, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

If everyone comes back and plays (Thomas!) and stops sitting out for nagging injuries that many players fight through, they can still make the season worth watching. They're in full contention for the last wild card slot...if they win the rest of their games (maybe 1 more loss).

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Think back to the Cowboys game two years ago and join me in this cheer:

"RANDY! RANDY! RANDY!"

Just to think we might be finally able to run the counter trey for once. We need the best pulling guard in the NFL!!

Posted by: straub21 | December 4, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - you're a mere mortal. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: kmk1973 | December 4, 2007 05:15 PM

Would a mere mortal be able to square dance? Or moon walk? I think not!

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - I have no reply to that. You scare me.

Posted by: OldManGibbs | December 4, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

JAck Pardee is in discussion to become Houston's Head Coach......

4th

Posted by: RightWay | December 4, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

looks like we should have everyone at just the right time!


Hail!

Posted by: rb227 | December 4, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

rb227,

Almost everyone

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 - I have no reply to that. You scare me.

Posted by: kmk1973 | December 4, 2007 05:21 PM
^^^
LOL!
Back to football, this team won't be able to sign to many free agents, let alone WR's. But I think they should bring back Caldwell and Mix and possibly McCardell because they will all come cheap. Another offseason for Cambpell working with the same WR's can only help. They should also start giving Betts more carries and integrate him more into the offense next year.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 4, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

[From previous thread:] The Redskins have outscored their opponents 115 - 105 in the first half. The opponents have outscored the Redskins 152-108 in the second half.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 04:43 PM

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Wow.

So how rare is it to outscore opponents in the first half, and be outscored in the second half? I bet it's pretty frigging rare.

Here's what I make of it: the first half, both teams are still running on what they prepared during the week, and beyond that on their long-term plan for the team. Here, the Skins do pretty well. And I do feel Joe and his minions have a clear-eyed sense of how to build a winning team.

Then, the second half. This is a more, uh, fluid environment. Changes, experiments, hunches. Thinking on the fly, under intense pressure and time constraints. We thought Joe 2.0 would thrive here. To the contrary, as it turns out. Here, a bunch of old men--especially old Joe and the not-quite-settled, not-quite-listened-to, not-quite-confident Al--are at a competitive disadvantage.

So assuming that basic dynamic, what conclusion to draw?

Gibbs still has the ability to plan--long-term, season-long plans and overall game preparation; but during the game, we'd win more games if he would just STFU.

AMAZING to say (at least for me, as big a St. Joe lover as any 47-year-old lifelong Skins fan could be), but we'd be in better shape if Joe Gibbs didn't even come to the stadium on Sundays.

He can help plan the team's roster and play during the offseason, he can help by giving an occasional motivational speech, but fergawdsakes, and for all the young Skins fans who don't have the precious memory of three SBs, give Gregg W a chance next year.

So where are the Skins at present? Edging in this direction, it seems.

Tom Boswell's column today put it like this: "it is unclear whether [Joe Gibbs] has any significant game-day responsibility at all except calling timeouts and deciding what to do on fourth down."

Even that may be too much, frankly. And I don't mean that as a snide throwaway--I'm stone-cold serious.

Bottom line: Joe still has a gift. He has built a good team. These guys play with heart, they play like a team, they've been competitive every game except one (I don't give them a pass for that, but sometimes things snowball--see Super Bowl 18 [F the Roman numeral pomposity]).

But Joe's gift no longer includes the stress and time constraints of gameday. If we can figure out a framework that lets Gregg and Joe work together, but gives Gregg gameday responsibility, that's what this Skins fan votes for.

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(Contrary view: This, of course, is how many Israelites felt round about year 37 in the wilderness. So maybe if we just give Moses/St. Joe more time, it will all come right in the end. One can hope.)

Posted by: farstriker | December 4, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Just catching up on a little TiVo...the last two episodes of "30 Rock" were something approaching genius. Genius.

"I'm going to kiss you on the mouth to keep you from saying such crazy things."
"Ape attack!"
"We are the perfect choices for the next contestants on 'The Amazing Race'!"

That was some much, much needed laughter today...

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

[From previous thread:] The Redskins have outscored their opponents 115 - 105 in the first half. The opponents have outscored the Redskins 152-108 in the second half.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 4, 2007 04:43 PM


talent_evaluator,

Can you tell us what those stats are excluding the a**whooping we had given to us by the Patriots? I think this will give us a better idea of what happens at halftime based on Campbell's comments on Doc Walker show today.

Posted by: straub21 | December 4, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Almost everyone

Posted by: Soup17 | December 4, 2007 05:26 PM

That feels like a punch in the gut.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | December 4, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

With Mike Sellers and Randy Thomas in the line up we would have won our last 3 games. They are vital to our offense!

Posted by: jimwell | December 4, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to overstate the impact that injuries to the OL have had on the offense.

It's equally hard to overstate the impact that the death of Sean Taylor will have on the defense.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to overstate the impact that injuries to the OL have had on the offense.

Not really. The offense line cannot be blamed for the past 5 losses. It's coaching. It's conservative playcalling. I will say this again and again: Gibbs does not have the Hogs, nor The Diesel. Somehow, I think Gibbs has these blunt weapons. He doesnt.

In the second half, he should have opened with the no huddle offense. It would have prevented the onslaught of Bills blitzing.

And on Defense, I am sick of Williams and his Cover 2, especially when they have a rookie RB and a joke for a quarterback. SHAME ON WILLIAMS.

If Gibbs is around next year, Williams needs to draft a stud DE...we need pressure yesterday.

It's equally hard to overstate the impact that the death of Sean Taylor will have on the defense.

I agree with this statement, but unfortunately, we dont have any more time to assess the impact. At 5-7, we are in a world of hurt. Taylor was a great safety, on a path to greatness. Mabye there was a lesson here, maybe not. Personally I like to think that no matter what, one day he and his family will be united in a place no one on Earth could ever comprehend.

Let's go Skins. I like JC's reporting...it sounds like the Skins, while still licking their wounds, are reading to make some people feel their hurt.

Posted by: zap123 | December 4, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

With Mike Sellers and Randy Thomas in the line up we would have won our last 3 games. They are vital to our offense!

Jim. Come on. Be honest with yourself. You and I both know that isnt the case. I am hoping that we squeeze every ounce out of this team and make the final wildcard playoff spot...but there are some significant revisions that need to take place...starting at the top...before we are a real contender.

Posted by: zap123 | December 4, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

With ten days to recover (in every sense) after this game, and whatever slim chances we have at finishing with a 'respectable' record riding on it, I should hope every swingin' soul will be fighting his guts out on Thursday night.

Come on, you Redskins, make us proud!

HAIL!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 4, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

hey Zap123,

You may be right, but I find it hard to believe we don't punch the ball into the endzone when we are on the 3 yard line and closer when running behind a 280 pound wrecking ball like Mike Sellers and an all pro guard like Randy Thomas. With both of them out, we seem to be unable to run into the endzone and have to settle for the 22 and 23 yard field goals!!!!

Posted by: jimwell | December 4, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

zap,
I'm not buying it. I agree that Gibbs has made some truly egregious game-time decisions this season. The kind that players who are fighting their guts out, should not have to compensate for.

But, I think that they've lost most of the games simply because they haven't put enough points on the board. The offensive deficiencies stem from poor execution on the OL and other lapses in execution.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Jim-

Can't argue with that one! I have season tix that ive sold this entire year. Actually decided to go tomorrow night. What the hell. I got a gut feeling that things might just change now that Sean has been put to rest.

Posted by: zap123 | December 4, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

zap,
I hope you're right.
We need something to lift us up.

(Glad to see that Nate hasn't floated away)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

What this team really needs is more cow bell.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 4, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

there's always next year people. for us.

nate, yeah wondering the same as stumped. you still on solid ground?

Posted by: dealer | December 4, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

also my brilliant prediction for the next season: gregg williams will be the skins head coach next year.

before you bash williams' HC record at buffalo. two names to rember: bellichoke at cleveland. and joe torre before he joined the skanks.

it could work.

full disclosure: i predicted the skins will go 14-2 this year. and win the superbowl last year. and will kill the giants in week 3 of this year.

Posted by: dealer | December 4, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree that gameday has passed St. Joe by. I too am 40-something and remember clearly the glory days. But think about it; our prime was '82-83 - - 25 years ago! The game has changed. Time for a new head coach. And I don't want Double-GG either. He can stay and coach the D. Please get us a young, agressive coach who realizes that it is the job of the offense to attack, to score, not to clock-watch. ANd maybe if we were scoring more than 1 TD a game, we'd have a little margin for error and every mistake - and they will happen - won't kill us. (Romo threw 6 INTs at Buffalo and they still won! You think Gibbs would leave JC17 on the field if he threw 6?!) Right now late in the game false start - dead; INT - dead; bad pass coverage - dead; back-2-back timeouts - dead! No margin for error. But put up 30 points a game and you can live with a mistake here and there. Please Uncle Dan, get us a young, agressive coach with an offensive mind, a nasty-ass defensive coach who wants to crush people, and a real GM to pick some starter-gem players late in the draft!

Posted by: dfleary | December 4, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Bring out the Rally Monkey!!!

Posted by: BT23 | December 4, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

hahah! Cowbell is RIGHT!!!

Let's have Christopher Walken do the intro on Thursday!

Posted by: zap123 | December 4, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, it was wet and windy here in my neighborhood, but aside from a few very minor leaks all seems to be well. Stumped is up here, and I ran into Stumptown Chris today... so that leaves our man Redskin Willie, who I hope hasn't washed away.

We can win this game Thursday. We can do it. HAIL!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 4, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Up here in Seattle, we had some pretty serious torrential downpours. The suburbs surrounding the city core were pretty nicely flooded. Those of us in the city (I live 150 yards from the Space Needle) pretty much always wonder what the Costco-shopping, fleece-wearing, minivan-driving contingent is always complaining about.

I did contemplate building an Ark yesterday and floating around the region collecting two of everything: two blondes, two brunettes, two redheads, etc.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The only place to go from here is up. They can't possibly play worse than the past four weeks. Can they?

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, please!!! You just jinxed them with that comment....:(

Posted by: Lisa | December 4, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Randy Thomas is a difference maker. If you look at the safety vs Buffalo, our RG double teamed the DT in the middle. Bills rushed six. The hole at RG is where the Bills LB came thru clean and Sacked Jason. But ... O-lines function as a unit and it will take Thomas some time to get in sync. Give him two games and he will be close to form. But not on Thursday.

Seriously, the Skins have done well this year, all things considered. Campbell has played like a guy in his first full year. Great at times, not great at times. Struggles with the game on the line. Moss has been awful at times and has rarely played to his ability. ARE has been good, but was clearly better before injury. The line has been mixed, especially the right side. The RBs have been mediocre. Betts has not played well and Portis has only a few good games this season. Which may also be part of the o-line issue. Only Cooley has been healthy and consistently good. Samuels, Rabach and Kendall have done well for the most part.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, they can play worse. Actually, they played pretty well vs Dallas, so-so vs Philly and pretty well vs Buffalo considering the situation. Even with all the emotion, football requires planning, timing and focus. And no way they could get much of either done last week. But the past few weeks have been really clear about one thing. Sean Taylor was a difference maker. Would likely have made the difference in all 3 games. Some big shoes for Doughty to fill.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 4, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Lisa ;-)

Posted by: PDiddy | December 4, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Sad, seems like JLaC is in Snyder's pocket now too. How was Jason's trip and the rest of the media paid for or was it a free pass on the snyder shuttle

Posted by: bababooey | December 4, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

The loss of Sean has left London School of Economics exposed at critical times. LFB has also had to play back even further, which has affected the run defense.
We might've been able to get by with a pedestrian pass rush when Rogers, Taylor, springs, and Smoot were all back there and reasonably healthy, but not now.
Still, if the offense was keeping up its end of the bargain, we wouldn't be so morose about the playoffs. I'm stuggling to figure out why we're so inefficient -- despite the challenges of the line, the decimated WR corps, QB learning curve, and dinged up runners, we should still be a bit more productive than we have been. And let's face it -- we wouldn't have to be much more productive to be in a happier position...

Posted by: daggar | December 5, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

cload, like you I'm stuggling to figure out our offensive woes.

We just haven't seen this thing run like a well-oiled machine, from the Colonel's play calling via Young Soup's quarterbacking to the run game and the pass game and the line play holding it all together... we just have not executed consistently like -- and at times have not even remotely resembled -- one of those fancy offenses, with their high-falutin' third down conversions and uppity touchdown-scoring.

Meh. Four more games. We'll see.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 5, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

By which I mean, you know, HAIL!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 5, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

And I would be remiss if I didn't mention how much I love Clinton and Santa and Cooley and Sellers and those warriors on the patchwork line and, yes, our peaks-and-valleys kid QB. Love these dudes. It vexes me that it hasn't worked better on offense. In those brief moments when it HAS worked, it's so damned beautiful! But then we go on hiatus for a series or a half, going three poops in the punchbowl and then punt (or turnover) over and over. Ugh.

Anyway, again, and I can't stress this enough, Hhail to the Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 5, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

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