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Injury Updates

Springs still looks set to play, but not start. Another good practice.
Salave'a and Griffin do not appear able to play. Barring a crazy turnaround over the weekend, looks like the kid tackles will be getting a lot of PT. Patten was downgraded as well.
Everyone else looks good to go.
Have a great weekend.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 13, 2006; 2:02 PM ET
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springs is in the air
No salavea, griffen
defense in trouble?

Posted by: poor man's haiku | October 13, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The kid been playing well. Let's see if he keeps up the good work. This very well could be his time and Salave'a knows it.

Posted by: jm220 | October 13, 2006 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Not having Griff, and Big Joe will hurt, not doubt, even if I like what we've seen out of the kids. More P/T for Demetric Evans, can't be a bad thing, he seems to make things happen every time he's on the field.
If ever there was a time to lean on the running game, this is it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 13, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with Patten?

Posted by: David | October 13, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If Patten is out, guessing we're gonna see TJ in pads, not street clothes.

Question is, will he get in the game?

He should.

Posted by: thecheat | October 13, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

JLC, great Queen reference when answering our own Queen Bee today on the chat...

Megskin, please do not feel obligated to confirm or deny whether you are a fat-bottomed girl...

poor man's haiku, there is only one authority on this blog when it comes to handing out grades on attempts such as yours. Who knows when the next episode of "Poetic Justice" starring HaikuMan will be airing...

Posted by: MV Dame | October 13, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Good point about Salave'a, jm220. Sure like the guy, but injuries have plagued him since last season. Griffin has missed a good deal of time, too.

I like Demetric Evans, Greg. It kind of surprised me when the Skins went after Andre Carter. I thought that Evans would get a chance to push for a starting d-end spot. And the savings would have been huge for the Skins. If I'm not mistaken, both have one sack, yet what's the difference in their salaries?

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I hope this is the weekend that we turn it around on defense. Gregg Williams hasn't shown me anything this year; I'm starting to think he is not as good as we all thought he was. Let's see what he can do with Springs in the line-up. Do you think Pittsburgh would be willing to trade us back Ryan Clark for Carlos Rogers?

Posted by: JimStar | October 13, 2006 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason, tell Shawn the guys from Mario's are pulling for him.

BTW, I noticed that Congress is not here. Well, I suppose that's true all the time in spirit, at least. But they're physically not here.

This could be our chance to take over for 3 weeks and pass all the Man Laws we can get around to. I call dibs on representing Hawaii.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 13, 2006 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and let's give BOOFER the opportunity to represent Alabama.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 13, 2006 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Dooomed... We're Dooooomed. Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth!

No tackles = no line?

Posted by: SFfan | October 13, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JLC--any word on whether Skins will look at Jonathan Sullivan or Lionel Dalton to give us more D-Line depth. Sullivan is only 25, and a former 1st rounder. Any news on the trade front, anybody rumored to be on the block?

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Last year 10-2 vs NFC, this year 0-3, but 2-0 vs the AFC where last year 0-4. Saunders has the AFC figured out, but not the NFC. Maybe he can call the plays for the AFC match ups and Gibbs for the NFC. Sounds ridiculous, but somethings got to give!!!

Posted by: Kevin P. | October 13, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Kevin, I think Sullivan is the Gardner, Rod of DTs. He got picked in the 1st, then traded when they realized he was never going to be any good. The Pats gave him a shot until they realized what the Saints already knew. He'll bounce around the league just like 50/50 until everyone gives up on him.

I think getting Sullivan would be another misguided adventure in free agency for the Skins. My opinion is that this team is better off developing its own up and comers (Golston, Montgomery, Evans) than getting a bunch of cast-offs.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 13, 2006 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember any actual 'reporters' saying anything about Griffin all week until today. What's up wit that?

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 13, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

JimStar--why would you want Ryan Clark back? First he is a safety, not a corner. Second, did you see him get torched against San Diego last week. He is no help.

What do you propose Grwilliams do? All great defenses come with pressure on the pocket and the quarterback. We have no pressure coming from the outside edges....ever...,which leaves your db's vulnerable. They can't cover a guy indefintely.

Instead of "blocking" the Eagles from getting TJ Suckett, why didn't we block Darren Howard from going there. Having Jevon Kearse wasn't enough for the Eagles, they wanted more pressure, and ended up with arguably the steal of the offseason. We could have had him and instead, passed, in favor of Andre Carter.

I hate beating a dead horse, but how can the Skins prefer to sign Archuleta, Carter, and Lloyd, when we could have signed Ty Law and Darren Howard instead. We could have put any strong safety back there with the Reaper, obviously coverage skills are not a prerequisite

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh, you nailed it on Sullivan. NO traded TWO number one picks to move up to get him, and how's that working out for you. We don't need to bring in anyone for the line right now. Give Monty/Golston/Boschetti a chance, sprinkle in some Evans, and throw in some Rocky off the edge.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 13, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Im all for seeing some Rocky, I mean get the kid in there as well. Lets see what he can do. It looks like come Sun we will have a good amount of young bucks able to get some reps in and put in work. I have been impressed with Golston so far, maybe if rocky gets in he will do the same.

I personally have another game of interest I am worried about this weekend: Gators vs, Auburn. So I am just going to take it one football day at a time. Go Gators, the Go skins!!! Hence the name gatorskinz

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2006 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Gators won't even make it for NAtional Title Dreams.

Go Wolverines!


Posted by: 4th Floor | October 13, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I think we're beginning to reap the whirlwind of the bias towards free agency in aquiring personnel for the Skins. Yes, it's nice to be able to deal in people that are 'known quantities' to the coaches, but the age of our D-line in particular is starting to show (never mind Shawn Springs). I'm beginning to wonder (I do that a lot, I have to admit) just how the bad showing of the D-line is due to lingering injury, especially in the case of Corny. Hopefully Montgomery and Golston can step it up, but it's a hell of a time to get them up and playing, right now.

I'm also in the opinion with some of y'all that picking up released players aren't going to help much, either. Picking up more players would be just tossing bacon right into the fire - sure, we have bodies, but will they know what they're doing. Just look at what's been happening with SpeedRumph - the guy (I hesitate to use the word 'poor') tries, but he just can't keep coverages without blowing a few, leaving Der Reaper stuck covering more than one person. All bringing in Troy Vincent will do for us is to take us one step closer to the New Over-The-Hill Gang. Where's George Allen when you need him? Oh, wait....

Hopefully the game against the Titans won't be too atrocious. We might even get to see the 4-4 defense that we've been so eagerly working towards in the offseason....

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 13, 2006 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Kevin K,

You're on target. The Redskins have made some questionable personnel moves, but this shouldn't be a surprise. This organization just doesn't understand that a true GM is needed for success in the NFL. That's what surprises me the most. Gibbs had two fine GMs in Bobby Beathard and Charley Casserly in his first go-round. I'm not sure that I understand how Snyder, Cerrato, and Gibbs go about making personnel decisions.

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

dont blame me for sending the jet out and overpaying for avg. talent at best.nobody wants to come here unless I overpay,the word is out from all the former players ive gotten rid of! blame the coaches for not being able to identify who really does have talent.I didnt want to give 30 mill to a punt rt/qb/wr,I guess thats why pitt didnt want him.YOU SUCKER FANS KEEP PAYING MY HIGH PRICES SO I GUESS I HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!!!!

Posted by: dan snyder | October 13, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I like Carlos Rogers, think he'll be good pretty soon, certainly wouldn't trade him for Ryan Clark. I know Clark is being mythologized since he left, but he wasn't all that good when he was here. Hence the need for an upgrade, which Archuleta may yet be, given some time (or maybe not).

Anybody want us to pick up Troy Vincent? Any word on that, Mr. Insider?

Posted by: spunky | October 13, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Flim--I agree with you on the free agency craze. Although the immediate fix like a big name from another club is sexy, it rarely is we have found out on multiple occassions.

The New Englands, Denvers, Chicagos, Pittsburghs, all win by building through the draft. They blend youth with veteran presence, and keep the payroll reasonable. They build chemistry thru continuity. Not big markets, but you have to tip your hat to spending smarter, rather than harder.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 4:00 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor, Michigan does look good this year, I wont deny that. This weekend your boys should wax the floor with Penn State. Its too bad Manningham wont be playing, it would be a huge victory if he was in. Good luck with that game, although your boys wont really need it.
Out until Sun....Go Skins

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse


Sure. We can pick Troy Vincent up. I just hope it's as a coach - I think ArchULettAnotherGoBy could use a little help figuring things out like who to cover, where to run, and what direction he should be going. As a player, no. When your house is already resting on a bunch of clay pots, the last thing you need is another clay pot....

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 13, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse


You think this team needs another coach? One can argue that the Redskins have too many coaches. Perhaps that's something the team should address.

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I swore I would not come to the blog for at least two weeks. That restriction will begin after this post.

First, shabingus is one of the great words invented to this day that should be used at least three times per. ArtMonktotheSticks and I were involved in an incredible shabingus - the essence in fact of a true shabingus - last night. We had to help someone move an 8 by 19 foot painting up three flights of stairs because it did not fit in the elevator. It did not fit in the stairwell either. After summoning the Knights of the Roundtable (Where is this from? Come on Bucktown? Pipe down AM2TS>) and three Jedi mind tricks, we got it into the apartment.

Another term to keep in mind: mombasa. Amazing term.

The reason for my post: everyone is disecting the team like crazy and looking at philosophy and QBing and trades and FAs and drafts. These are all issues to talk about...agreed. However, this team was built to win a Super Bowl, and I think for the most part, correctly built.

We have one issue, which to me will change everything if solved. If not, we suck.

The issue: get to the opposing QB. That is it. As simple as that. I'm telling you. You can throw all of the philosophy stuff out the window. Before you all start posting like crazy about Brunell and Grilliams and Mombasa and Gibbs and Duckett, stop and think. Take a big picture view. What did we do last year that we aren't doing this year? I would argue it is one thing: getting the QB. We are stopping the run. We are producing offensively. Coverage has not been ideal, no doubt, but the reason it is getting amplified is because we are not getting to the QB. We're not rushing him, we're not disrupting, we're not sacking him, we're not tipping balls. If we start getting to the QB, we will go on a streak. If not, I will be sitting in the dark with AM2TS, Bourbon Rick, Brain, The Mexican, Nanger, Machine Gun Willy, IV, Bounder and the rest of the APKF with red cheeks and a muted TV, wishing LaVar still played linebacker for the Washington Redskins.

Tightest GI Joe of all time: Storm Shadow.

Posted by: The Governor | October 13, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Almost forgot...BOOYAKASHOT!

Posted by: The Governor | October 13, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse


I agree with you about Rocky. Gregg Williams bragged on him alot during the OTAs....if he is that good, PLEASE play him!

I don't agree with you about the Gators/Tigers game, however...WAR EAGLE!!!

Posted by: Lisa | October 13, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Terry - Well, maybe I should raise the sarcasm flag a bit higher....

There. Yes, we don't need any more coaches. My intended point was that we don't really need more players that are already two feet on the bobsled to retirement.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 13, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Governor:

Are we really stopping the run on defense? You saw the Giants game, right?

What did we do last year that we aren't doing this year? One answer: Score points against NFC East foes. To date, we have no offensive TDs in two NFC East games. Another answer: Beat NFC teams. Last year, we were 10-2. This year, we're 0-3.

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Whipe the floor with Penn State?

Confusious say "Those who doubt Joe Pa often leave in the Whambulance."

Posted by: Skinz | October 13, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hard to argue, Guv
But don't forget ol' Snake Eyes
Silent and deadly

Posted by: MV Dame | October 13, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse


True. We don't need any more older players. What we do need, in my opinion, is a GM who can help to make those important personnel decisions.

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Dan Snyder:

Vinny Cerrato is useless. If he is so valuable, why didn't a trifflin organization, like SF keep him. He couldn't even keep his analyst job at ESPN, they fired him also.

We need a respected personnel man with experience, knowledge, and a proven track record. FYI -- Ron Wolf is still waiting for your call. He is on his boat in Annapolis wondering why you don't ask him for his help...God knows, as does Coach Joe that you need it.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato= Good racquet ball player. That's what I really heard. He and Danny are boyz.

GM won't happen. Gibbs is the GM. Anyone who would stand up to Gibbs and Danny wouldn't take the GM job without final say so I wouldn't even waste your time thinking about it.

Posted by: Skinz | October 13, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, if the Skins don't get a GM then they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It makes no difference who's coaching the Redskins. Championships are won in the NFL by wise personnel decisions. It wasn't just X's and O's that won Gibbs 3 Super Bowls.

Posted by: Terry | October 13, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Skinz---Gibbs can't coexist with a GM? Al Saunders can help, but Wolf can't? Wolf could easily do what Beathard did, maybe more. If Gibbs is proud and smart enough to admit he can do a better job, like hiring someone ELSE to call the offensive plays, his old speciality, why can't he let a guy build the team? What, we can't afford to overpay another employee? Please. Wolf has forgot more about building a winning NFL team than 2 of the 3 "braintrust" ever will.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Heard C. Clemons is healthy now. Will work out for some teams soon. Isn't a healthy Clemons a better option than a non-existant Posey?

Posted by: CMoney | October 13, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Anonymous | October 13, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with anything... but Weebay is the greatest character on the Wire.

That guy is great.

Posted by: Barno | October 13, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Jason question for you? I kept hearing that Springs wasn't going to be available at all till after the bye week. Are they rushing him back to quickly? As Jerry Seinfeld would say, What's the deal?

Posted by: calebt17 | October 13, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying we don't/wouldn't be better off with one.

What I'm saying is there are few people that would command the respect of Gibbs and Danny in terms of Decision Making.

None of those people would take a Job where they wouldn't have final say on personnel decisions. Gibbs right now has final say on those decisions. Ergo don't waste your time hoping for one.

Posted by: Skinz | October 13, 2006 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because their decision making has been spot on thus far.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Guv, why the restriction? Your posts are gold. Hitting the QB is priority A1. This defense has 2 options, (1) go after the Q and give up big plays, (2) don't go after the Q and give up big plays. I prefer option 1.

Terry, I'm assuming when you say "we need a GM" you mean "we need a good GM." My question to you: if you can't find a good GM, what do you do? This is the Redskins predicament. Oh, and Casserly was not a good GM.

MV Dame has made a very valid point about Snake Eyes. Weren't they both ninjas?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 13, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hope is all Skins nation can have.

Hope, for some players to act and play like they care. Hope, that we can build a little chemistry and get the bandwagon rollin. Hope, that we can powerwash the deadwood off the team. Hope, that we stop giving away draft picks, instead keeping them, drafting the next breed and watching em grow like flowers not weeds.

Posted by: Kevin K | October 13, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing with you. But Bill Gates gave up CEO of Microsoft. You think the CEO of Microsoft has final say or you think Bill does?

Danny has final say. You think he'd overrule someone over Gibbs? You think Ron Wolfe, Allan etc. don't know they'd be playing 2nd fiddle?

Posted by: Skinz | October 13, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Megskin, please do not feel obligated to confirm or deny whether you are a fat-bottomed girl..

Harde-effing-har, very funny. Topping out at just over 100 lbs makes it hard to have a fat bottom, so no, I don't. So, sorry you're out of luck.

Please don't feel obligated to confirm or deny whether that was an insensitve question or not mmmkay?

Posted by: Megskin | October 13, 2006 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Springs has come along very nicely this week. He's not being rushed. He's ready to go.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 13, 2006 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Roster check: Golston and Mont-G are tackles, Evans is an end. [Spaghetti is also a completely serviceable tackle.] I'm not too worried about the DT position b/c this is the one spot where the Skins depth is actually good. Though guys "start" (they are on the field for the first play), Grilliams rotates guys in his "packages" so everyone gets on the field. I think the idea of rehiring the Clemons bros is sound as a pound, esp. (for Nic) if Cornelius' or Joe's injuries nag too long or suggest the twilight of a career and (for Chris) because Rubin's boy -- labeled a freak of nature by his teammates -- only amounts to freakiness, not sacks, hurried passes, etc. This particular shortcoming is the one that has me most concerned about THIS week's game because THIS QB is an unknown (other than that he can scramble, rush, is great, etc.) compared to the cursed, playoff failing spawn of Archie Manning.

Posted by: dcsween | October 13, 2006 6:30 PM | Report abuse

hear ye hear ye:
dealer=5'5 110lbs 34-24-34 (double D), likes threesome especially if the other two are women...

hi guys...missed the "banter" today. sorry meg i didn't get a chance to respond but i will in a minute.

so when's haikuman and dame getting hooked up?

but what's with second-guessing double G???? if anyone on this team deserves a benefit of the doubt it's him. and about mcintosh not playing...maybe he isn't that good. double G used the same line he used last year when reporters were asking him about lavar not playing..."who do you want me to take out, you want me to take holdman out?"

ps...kidding about the first part...thought the recent conversation and the TCCL award was funny...
pss...meg reminds me of "supersize me"'s wife...? i'm soooooooooo burnt out i think i lost all of my braincells!

Posted by: iFindDoodleBopsDisturbing | October 13, 2006 6:46 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, we also know that this weeks opposing QB can throw the ball over them mountains. He could've taken state. Don't believe me? Watch the movie he made.

Good banter this week. Looking forward to upbeat dialog after the smash of the titans.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 13, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, now I realized why everyone was getting on my case after Megskin replied to me. Because all the horny 50-something losers on this blog want to get in her pants and absolutely wet their pants at the thought of being able to discuss football with a woman while they're cuddling after sex. And I'm the one who needs to get the life when you guys fantasize over woman blogger's rear ends? It's nice to see that even in this "progresed" day and age, these pigs still have women as sex objects in the back of their minds. Skins defense gives up at least 300 yards against Titans because....Greg(g) Williams is no longer a viable coach. It's funny, most of you people probably don't probably operate in high-intensity jobs, otherwise you would realize in the real world, it truly is 'what have you done for me lately', which in Greg(g)'s case, the answer is NOTHING.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 13, 2006 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Because all the horny 50-something losers on this blog want to get in her pants

No, as they have already stated, most of them probably think I am a 500 lb, bloated and hirsute, male pervert. I think they could care less that I'm a woman. If you can't bring anything to the table to discuss, it doesn't matter what sex you are; in fact, the only person here that seems to be obsessed with sex is you, and since you see it through that lens you, not they, are the sexist pig.

Now that we have that out of the way: people got on your case because your arguments defending your premise that Gibbs and Grilliams are not good coaches were, and still are, fallacious ad hominems.

Here's a hint: if you want to argue something try getting an education--it helps. I'm sure there are quite a few good collages around your area that can help you with basic critical thinking. Unfortunately you seem preoccupied with asses, but the only ass here is...well, you.

Posted by: Megskin | October 13, 2006 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Skins defense gives up at least 300 yards against Titans because....Greg(g) Williams is no longer a viable coach

Oh yeah, and that part is a logical fallacy.

Posted by: Megskin | October 13, 2006 11:23 PM | Report abuse

hey 202, i'm sorry you got a bad reception by this crowd. but i think you brought it on yourself when you called double G gay.

i can't answer for anyone else maybe they're doing what you say they're doing but when she replied to you about double g being gay, she represented majority of us matured skins fans.

and i'm the last person on here trying to get on "'her' good side"...i don't even believe "she's" for real. didn't you read that washpost article on shills? i'l try to find that for you...

"what have you done for me lately"...comment...GG is the only one on that staff that has shown something CONSISTENT, SUSTAINED NFL-ish work. everyone here who thinks they're football fan they know that. it's plain stupid to criticize GG's coaching ability.

BUT if you want to blame GG for something it's for allowing dale lindsey to say the crap he said about lavar. (and i'm not a lavar fan). the way lindsey treated lavar.
the way ryan clark (IMHO) was let go because he spoke up against dale lindsey last year and in favor of lavar. his draft picks (rodgers, mcintosh, taylor), his ego (perhaps) that allowed him to not go out and get a tackle and signing archie and carter. there...there's some amo for you.

but i rather have him coaching the team than uncle saunders when st. joe leaves.

i'll jump off the new wilson bridge if that happens.


Posted by: iFindDoodleBopsDisturbing | October 13, 2006 11:31 PM | Report abuse

10 Stupid Questions For Jason

1. how is george mcfee different from st. joe? (any similarities at all?)

2. how is mr. aol different from snyder? (any similarities at all?) you think snyder wood ever go after a fan like mr. aol?

3. do you ever feel like asking george bush "are you aware that there're historians out there that think that you might be the dumbest president ever?"...if so then we as skins fans want you to ask gibbs after every game "who is your starting qb for next week?".

4. are you a skins fan? if not what is your fav. team?

5. would you consider banning the use of the word "r%#skins" on your blog? or would that somehow be illegal? that espn dude does it...

6. How's Snyder and double G's relationship? Do they talk?

7. Who do the teams call to discuss trades with the skins?

8. Is Fischer an offensive coach or defensive coach (of titans)?

9. Did you and czabe plan that little quarel? (and you thought czabe was bad with his conspiracy theories! :))

10. *drum roll* what's up with the TRIDENT? do you own a trident? do you carry it around everywhere you go?


Posted by: iFindDoodleBopsDisturbing | October 13, 2006 11:58 PM | Report abuse

wood??????? freudian slip!

Posted by: dealer | October 13, 2006 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dealer, thanks for being a voice of reason in the midst of all these conformist comments. I never thought about it that way, but you're right, there could definitely be a lot of fake posters piping the company line in order to be shills for the Skins. I don't think making a joke about Greg(g) Williams said anything more than the fact that today's youth culture uses words like "gay" as descriptors that don't neccessarily refer to one's sexuality. And do you also find it annoying that MegSkin uses a thesaurus everytime she writes a post? Haha. As if normal people ever say "fallacious ad hominems" in real conversation. But then again, normal people probably have more things to do with their time then shill for Greg Williams on Jason La Canfora's blog lol...shouldn't people who get removed from being the Caps' beat writer be demoted, rather than promoted? Oh Cerrato, sometimes people get fired and go on to better jobs...

Speaking of personal insults, where did you happen to go to school MegSkin? A proud associate degree graduate of MC or NOVA? I would love which fine institution taught you how to use a thesaurus.

I agree that Greg(g) Williams has a proven track record, but at a certain point, no matter what profession you are and how great you are, people catch on to you. You don't think thats possible yet? That people might have just caught on to what he does, and now are better prepared for it? Just because he was great once doesn't mean he is still a "genius" like these clowns want us to believe.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 14, 2006 12:12 AM | Report abuse

202 dude, CHILL!!! it's past midnight where you is. calm down bla! go to sleep.

i haven't seen any skins shills here. no one's shilling here...(not the regulars at least). i was implying that things aren't always what they seem. i found the whole exchange (haiku, dame, meg) funny. really funny.

and i went to nova and mc! really! bof 'em!

so what are you implying by that? well at least you can spell thesauras...

ummm about GG dude, he doesn't have any personnel. to do what he wants to do. yes, he should've blitzed more against the giants. but he didn't. i mean you can't blame him for carlos not catching that INT or 53 not catching that screen pass that bounced off his head or carlos not recovering that fumble!

the only QB i worry about in the east is #5. and he's playing well. i'm a bit worried about those 2 games.

alright, i think i'm finally sleepy...this blog's all yours! peace! out!


Posted by: iFindDoodleBopsDisturbing | October 14, 2006 12:26 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone totally understates the importance of Springs to this defense. Just as the case was with Portis earlier in the year. Springs brings a confidence, leadership, and physicality to a game that spreads to the rest of the defense. I'm not saying he'll turn us into the Bears or Ravens, but I think his healthy return could at least put our "D" in the top half of the league.

Posted by: pitpryde | October 14, 2006 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Veterans used to play for the love, now they play for the money. Gibbs still thinks he can get them to play for the love as long as Snyder gives them the money. What they've got now is a team of aging, financially secure veterans, and he himself is probably over-comfortable with his three rings and bust in the hall. Does he view winning the big one as just one final challenge? Or does he view it as an all-encompassing moral imperative? Does he understand that his reputation could go down the tubes? But even that won't take his bust out of Canton.

The organization cannot be satisfied simply by the team "playing their guts out." That's not good enough. If Gibbs is really serious about going the distance, I think he's gonna have to take his calcium supplement and throw a chair across the locker room again.

P.S. The reason I always post at odd hours is that I'm stuck overseas and the only way I can catch the games is listening to ESPN XXX on the internets. When will Larry Michael understand it is unacceptable to come between Sonny and Sam? Who will replace Sonny and Sam? We must accept it, the time is coming.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 14, 2006 6:25 AM | Report abuse

"Does he understand that his reputation could go down the tubes?"

hey overseas person, no matter what he does his reputation as a COACH is safe. if it doesn't work then everyone will say "how could have snyder given him GM powers? didn't he rember desmond howard? and every coach wants to be the gm rember the famous big tuna line 'if you want me to cook i want to do the groceries too'..." brunell had the best year as a pro under him.

to tell you the truth he IS making these overpaid players play and believe in him. i don't know how he does it but he does it.

the giants game was an anomoly...i believe...and i think he also knows that in his five years this is really the year to win the SB...otherwise he's going to have to count on jason Camp. and you never know GG might decide to leave.

i agree with the portis and springs comparison. i just hope, like everyone else in skinsdom that he's not coming back too soon.

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2006 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Way too serious:
Self-worth not linked to blog posts!
202 no fun!

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 14, 2006 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Maybe not down the tubes, you're right, but certainly get a little tarnished.

Certainly last year the defense played out of their heads and you've got Ray Brown giving his all at 40+, but I'm just not sure they're getting high enough effort this year. Is this year's team desperate? Is Gibbs desperate? Grilliams? Maybe the kicking change will kickstart it. Andre Carter's got to be getting pretty desperate to prove he's not a bust, but as a team, I'm not sure I see the desperation. I think you've gotta have desperation to get it done "up here". Every other coach without a ring is sure desperate.

McNabb is playing with urgency. No way Brunell's Skins beat McNabb's Eagles unless they take it up a notch.

Maybe I'm not giving Gibbs enough credit. But when I look at him I see a guy who's comfortable. Grilliams too. Who's gonna set a fire under this team?

And I hope you're right that last week was an anomaly or a bad dream like Randall Cunningham hitting Mark Bavaro deep over the middle with Phil McConkey, Jay Novacek and Ed too tall Jones out front blocking.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 14, 2006 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey 202,

Quite worrying about what Sex, Race, Religion or anything else anyone is. When you can't argue the fact you change the subject.

Perhaps you are Czabe or a disciple.

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2006 9:45 AM | Report abuse

overseas, this team has a lot of talent (on the offense even with #8)...and i thought the defensive players played like mad dogs (except for rodgers)...but the offense? i know we keep going back to this but there was definitely something going on with play calling. when they showed gibbs on the sidelines he looked so desperate, looking at play charts (first time i've seen him look at play charts this year), hurrying things in panic.

according to jason's chat here's what happens in the playcall chain:
1. saunders sends the play to bill lazor
2. bill lazor then sends to brunell

my question to everyone here and jason is that is it illegal for saunders to talk directly to brunell?

and another is why didn't they play hurry up when everyone else had gone hurry up on giants and scored 30+ points on average against them. and gibbs is always complimenting his offense on how good they are on running the "2 minute drill"...?

but if anything i've learned from the last two years it is that gibbs is smart enough to know what went wrong (in a game situation) and fixes it. (except for the whole draft seems he doesn't believe in rookies and building thru draft).

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2006 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh:

Casserly was a good GM. He assisted Bobby Beathard for years and he was responsible for assembling the parts for our Super Bowl XXVI winning team in 1991. Remember the Plan B free agents like Martin Mayhew, Jumpy Geathers, Brad Edwards, Fred Stokes, etc.? Casserly made those decisions and they turned out pretty well.

What do you do if you can't find a good GM? I'd think that you actually have to admit that you need one, first. Then, you look around. Surely, there is someone better at evaluating NFL talent than Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: Terry | October 14, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 14, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh no. Boofer back
202 talks smack badly
Won't post till they leave

Posted by: dcsween | October 14, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

OK, let me put my 2 cents in.

1. Sorry 202 I am not 50 nor am I fat.(hint in the name my friend. 220 lbs of muscles)
2. I like Megskins and Cindy for their comments and could care less if they are women. (though we all joke with them about it at times)
3. Double GG can have an off year. Anything that you feel is worth something you stay with during the good and bad times.

Posted by: jm220 | October 14, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Surely, there is someone better at evaluating NFL talent than Vinny Cerrato.


Next you'll be telling us that Cheetara isn't the hottest thundercat. Please!

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 14, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Levar you just didn't go old school did you? lmao

Posted by: jm220 | October 14, 2006 1:16 PM | Report abuse

check out nfl madden 07 forecasts on espn...pretty interesting stuff. they have skins winning 27 to 10 i think and clinton having 29-144-1 day and brandon lloyd being the most productive receiver.

of course they have hall kicking so...

ps...cheetara was hot...

Posted by: dealer | October 14, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 14, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse


If I would be not saying anthing right about now. T.O. not talking to his coach. Parshe tired of talking about T.O. I smell trouble. Trouble. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 14, 2006 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Attention Terps fans:

Tell the MD adminstration what you think about the Terps not being on tv for the 5th time in 6 games this year:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Posted by: Barno | October 14, 2006 2:12 PM | Report abuse


The only person I could ever see replacing Sonny and Sam is Riggo. Maybe Ken Harvey. But Riggo is the only guy that I think the fans would accept as a replacement.

I miss Frank. "Touchdown, Washington Redskins". God, those were the words that got me through a crappy adolescence.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

By the way, a while back we had a discussion about how to get the games when you're overseas. First, be sure to check out the new NFL Game Pass. I'm definitely going to subscribe when I do my annual November/December living overseas thing.

The other option is the new Slingbox Pro. I just got one on Wednesday and while I'm here chillin' at a Starbucks in Dupont Circle, I'm able to view everything on my DVR back in Seattle. Works much, much better than the original Slingbox and I'm quite pleased with it.

Hope that helps...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 14, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

hahah...the terps...another perennial local disappointment. Same thing happened with them...the coach from yesteryear comes, everyone loves it, and after a while it is revealed that he is no longer cut out for coaching and it's still the same bum team it has been for the past dozen years. Maryland football = a bigger joke than the Redskins. And actually, it seems as if none of you shills ever respond to points that I make, such as the fact that Greg(g) Williams' scheme has been figured out by the league and that's why, like Boofer says, our rankings have started a downward trend. How hard is it to not give up a big play? I mean, sure, I understand once or maybe even twice, but getting burned 4 or 5 times a game??? Greg(g) William's ego got the best of him. Titans get 300 yards and Vince Young has the game of his whole season on Sunday.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 14, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diddy. I'll check it out.

But Riggo and Larry Michael by themselves? There's gotta be somebody else with them or they'd have as much chemistry as Orko and HeMan. You know Charles Mann would love to be the defensive guy.

I better shut up. It's bad to speak of the future when Sam and Sonny are here NOW.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 14, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"And actually, it seems as if none of you shills ever respond to points that I make, such as the fact that Greg(g) Williams' scheme has been figured out by the league and that's why, like Boofer says, our rankings have started a downward trend"

No you mental midget. It's because most of us have already stated that is a concern of ours and there is no point in repeating it.

What you think you came up that all on your own? If what you need is praise then, Ohh 202 you are so smart thank you for dropping knowledge on us "shills". Why don't you know what a word means before you accuse someone of being something. Now go away.

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

kiss my ass "skinz". go beat off dreaming about megskin some more

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 14, 2006 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Lol, how predictable. You are dismissed.

Posted by: Skinz | October 14, 2006 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"skinz" its amazing how cool it is to still use the letter z as if it makes a word plural. anyways i spent four and a half years at PGC, and while it doesn't have the prestige of MC, HCC, or especially NOVA, I can say that my diligent work ethic and my unflappable persistence has served me well for my night time managing skills at Cluck U.

anyhow Jason La Canfora is a respectable dude who makes great points and happens to be seeing things from the inside that none of else see.

steve czaban is a goon and while he does talk lots of trash he, as a longtime fan of the skin"z", has every right to criticize, knitpick and trash the players/coaches when necessary. honestly i think most of yall just envy the fact that he gets paid to talk about sports all day.

greg"g" williams (why are we quoting the second g?) you must admit at some point was a little too confident in his schemes to realize what he had at his disposal. while we were happy to give guys double digit signing bonuses and 5 or 6 year deals, we get lost in the fact with what could've been.

does this mean anythign to you: "six-year deal worth $26 million including a $6.5 million signing bonus."

antonio pierces contract with the redskins, a player who not only was one of the best linebackers in the league in our system, but also someone who was dying to be a redskin. smoot was another guy who was great in our system, instead of keeping him (and i admit we would have overpaid a bit) we gamble on a guy who was drafted 2 cbs after Pac Man jones. now instead we bring guys in who were moderately successful in OTHER systems (warrick holdman, kenny wright, daniels...but then again these guys were jobless till we picked them up).

archuleta over his career has been a good player stopping the run, but honestly the man has an nfl record contract for a safety and lets face us he was an OK to decent player for the oh so scary rams D. andre carter was a guy who has done what in the league?

why is it that a team like the eagles can lose their franchise Dend and still be +5 over any NFL team in sacks (yes over the bears, ravens and chargers). obviously a lot of factors go into that, but with our "genious" at the helm with the "most highly regarded coaching staff in the league" (or maybe by year end we'll say most overrated) we should have more than 7 sacks in five games. i know this is obvious but seriously how long are we gonna use the excuse that we can't blitz without springs. seriously.
FACE IT, this guy is making more than MANY HEAD COACHES!! theres no reason that tiki barber should consistently get 10 yards of space when he runs out of single back sets. blitz or no blitz. and why cant he seem to light a fire under these guys? remember when griffin and salave'a were blowing up the backfields? remember lemar making great tackles and pumping everybody up.

anyways thats my post on gregg williams for the moment. for the record i think things will get better and the defense will improve, but why be scared to criticize a man (a coordinator no less) making over $2 million dollars a year and supposed to be the best at his trade when hes not producing. i'll have my words about the offense after we play a team better than the titans.

Posted by: poop | October 15, 2006 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Scatalogical callsigns...what are we become?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Ok, back in the US in time for Game Day. Missed being involved with you guys, I have to say.

Sorry for the length of the post, but I need to make up for lost time with all of you extended family members (yes, even you Boof).

A few things:

1. Diddy, thanks for the tip on the slingbox pro. I didn't even know the 2nd gen box was out yet. I'm interested to hear your field test results when you go outside of the US. Please let those of us who travel know if you don't mind....

2. If any of you are traveling through London Heathrow be aware that their restrictions are tougher than what the TSA is allowing right now in the US -- so what you can get on the plane with in the US may not make it through security in the UK. Even if you are just connecting through there. I know this isn't a travel tips blog -- if you want details on what they are doing let me know and I will give you the items they are confiscating (that TSA is allowing you to fly with) and the other details.

3. Borat is making his European tour. He was in Paris and Amsterdam recently (with some hilarious pics in his yellow neon swimsuit in the Red Light District), and I think he will be in London this coming week for the London Film Festival where his new movie (title too long to list here of course) will be playing. The funniest part: I stayed in a hotel about 50 yrds from the Kazakh embassy in London and on their "official posting" board outside they had a statement from the Kazakh ambassador to the UK that was three pages long with about 70% explaining why Borat does not represent Kazakhstan -- could Sacha Baron Cohen get any better publicity?

4. Our boys have to win this week. I couldn't possibly go into the office tomorrow facing the reality of losing to a team that had to pluck Kerry Collins off of his couch to start a few games for them. Ouch. Campbell running the scout team should be a good prep for the defense to deal with Vince Young. Let's hope they can just execute now (fingers crossed).

Game day! Nothing quite like it.

P.S. If you've got the stomach to handle Borat's outfit, here's a shot from his trip to the Red Light District on's website. It's in Dutch, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to speak, read, or write the language to appreciate the impact of these pictures. Compelling stuff.

Go Skins!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 15, 2006 7:54 AM | Report abuse


Sage words on the name, perhaps Crap, excrement or something would be better. If you read these blogs then you'd know i've stated on numerous occassions that A. Peirce was our single greatest loss. B. Smoot was a great Redskin and I wish we'd have held onto him. C. That i don't listen to Czaben but i read his blog religiously and am the first to send him nasty emails when he takes the week off. D. That I have always hated anyone who refers to themself in the third person and that I am concerned that Gwilliams D is "Gimicky" and can therefore be figured out.

Where we disagree:

A. You probably will think i'm full of BS but i've worked for an NHL, NBA, MLB franchise and facilities and had my fill. It's fun but long hours and pay sucks. So no thanks on the jealousy.

B. I don't like some idiot coming on this board and being rude and essentially dismissing someones views because they are a female.

Posted by: Skinz | October 15, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Complete non-sequitor here, both in topic and tone. This is not a political statement.

ESPN Outside The Lines (which I do not normally watch) just finished a piece on Pat Tillman's last mission. I served in Afghanistan, although not with the military, so I cannot help but watch anything related to Pat Tillamn. It just puts everything in perspective (again) to think about him, his story, and the sacrifices he made. He was a true hero.

I hope the NFL and every other sports league makes sure that they never forget and never stop honoring those who serve, athletes or otherwise. Baseball's newest tradition of playing God Bless America during a Sunday game's 7th inning stretch is a great example of how leagues can institute new ways to honor heroes. Perhaps the NFL could figure out a similiar new tradition for Tillman.

Now back to our regular banter,

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Overseas here, I'm listening in to Larry Sonny and Sam. Sounds like we're kicking some Titan behind. I was out of the country when they made the switch from Frank "Touchdown, Washington Redskins" Herzog to Larry "at least five seconds behind the play" Michael. Somebody on an old post said Larry stabbed Herzog in the back. Can anyone tell what happened? Was it just business?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Half time, and can't believe Vince hit a wide open Marcus and he dropped it. Uncharacteristic of Marcus on the blow to the head. Had his right arm up to tackle and it came down on Vinc'e head.

Nice sack for Andre.

#22, you mistify me with playing so far back on your man. In my opinion, Rogers is becoming more of what I thought when we drafted him-- not a good cover corner.

Ade, you continue to prove why you cannot play corner in this league. Fortunate for you that you are good on teams.

Offense looks good and I'm glad to see #45 plowing some field. Antwaan, squeeze it tight baby.

Go Skins!!!


Posted by: coolio | October 15, 2006 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Titans score safety.
Redskins' season on the brink.
Must find way to win.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Sonny: "Well Sam, is it time to panic?"
Sam: "It's time to panic."

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 15, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Sonny: "Just took one play for them to get it going."

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Washington, DC:
Say hello to Brandon Lloyd,
Fashionably late.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Play-by-play haikus
Give way to Sonny and Sam.
Larry still sucks tho!

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Haiku man,
He does. He so does.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Four minutes, down three.
Boys, Giants lead. Eagles close.
Will St. Nick have chance?

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Larry: "and it's intercepted."

Dios mio.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Just shoot me now! Get my out of my pain.Why in God's green earth did we not give the ball to CP? Can anyone defend Brunell from this point? The is just awful! Put Campbell in now!!!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

JM220 -- Don't disagree necessarily, but Gibbs will keep Brunell in for the Colts. If they drop that game, JC will come in after the bye week. But you can call for JC next week until you're blue in the face, but it won't happen.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say I agree. Brunell averaged 11 yards/rec. And if you take out that one long pass to Lloyd, he averaged like 8 yards a pass. That's not gonna get it done.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'll just say what I said last week: Pathetic

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

And yes, before someone else points it out, I did think the Skins would win this game (and the next two) but I was wrong. Why they didn't run more, I have no idea. Portis only had 58 rush yards on 14 carries, with 26 rushes for the entire team. They were never so far behind that they had to give up the run to this extend, in my opinion.

Oh well, doesn't matter. They'll need another miracle run to save the season now. Colts win a must and can't drop a single NFC East game, among other must-have-to-happens-for-it-to-matter-if-it-would-even-then.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 15, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This defense is bad. We made Travis Henry look like Barry Sanders.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 15, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

They'll need another miracle run to save the season

They only win when they absolutely have to: when their backs are up against the wall and the firing squad's fingers are pulling back the trigger...hopefully this game wakes them up.

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

And yeah, Grilliams and the D win another week of a mouthful of chunky sewage water. Swallow that one baby.

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

i am completey shocked over this one.
Gibbs needs to set saunders the salary and call his own plays. i could not be more disgusted by this teams effort at home against an 0-5 team. have we ever needed a game this badly to have a chance to stay close to make a run?

most disappointing is the defense allowing 178 yds on the ground when we knew they were going to run. you have to sh(*&^%g me! we need petibon or some other defensive coordinator with balls!!

i can't stand to watch it. pathetic is too kind in describing this bunch right now.

i love the skins forever, god help me!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 15, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Going into this game - NFC East qb's

yards per completion
McNabb: 15.6
Bledsoe: 13.4
Brunell: 11.9
Manning: 11.7

McNabb: 11
Manning: 9
Bledsoe: 5
Brunell: 4

McNabb: 1
Brunell: 2
Manning: 5
Bledsoe: 7

McNabb: 12/94
Brunell: 9/68
Manning: 9/64
Bledsoe: 10/68

After this game, I can only imagine Brunell's stats will look that much grimmer, what with the G-men and Boys winning and McNabb throwing for 2 TD's and 250 yards.

This is about winning the division. Our aging qb is not getting us as many yards as dallas' aging qb and barely getting more than the giants young qb. He's thrown the fewest TD's. He's not getting us anything special on the ground. His best quality is not getting picked off, which he nearly did several times today if I can believe Larry Michael.

Now maybe it's the coaches, and maybe it's the defense, but the stats aren't painting a pretty picture. He's not the quarterback that's gonna win this division for us. And you can't bench the defense, and you can't bench the coaches.

Ask yourself: are we going to win the NFC east and get a bye in the first round with Mark Brunell as quarterback?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 15, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Man this is so bad. The left side lb needs to just be cut. Let's take a look at something. We played the worst pass d and we want to run. We play the worst run d and we want to pass with a QB that just needs to give it up. How many damn screen pass are you going to call every game. Went downfield to B Lloyd and it shows we have the WR that can get it done downfield. Man I am soo upset right now. At least with Campbell I can say he we are rebuilding.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

No LaVar, we aren't--that's what half of the people here have been saying all year. But the person you have to convince is Joe Gibbs, not us.

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 15, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse


Please bra! Who haven't beat up on the Texans for the last two years? Unlike you when your team lost we didn't hear anything from you. We may get upset with our team, but we take the good and the bad. So when you get some heart, then you can come talk on this blog.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The left side lb needs to just be cut.

I believe you're talking about Holdman, and he is on the same side as Andre Carter (someone correct me if I'm wrong here); people run over the two of them all day long.

We need to get a real GM in here, not that boot-licker Cerrato, so we stop letting what little talent we have leave and quit signing busts like Carter and Archuleta.

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 5:17 PM | Report abuse


Yes, you are right.Cut both of them.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Guys! Relax! Greg(g) Williams is a defensive genius! Against any other coach's defense, Travis Henry would have probably got 400 yards rushing and broke NFL records! Did you see that pass deflection that Marcus Washington (our supposedly most solid defender) had? I mean, I'm sure he could have intercepted it, but Greg(g) is so smart, he knew it would be better in that situation to just knock it down, and that's exactly what happened! And honestly, I'm pretty sure Greg(g) instructs his players not to tackle well, so he can just bring in the entire second string next year and prove once again how he can win with the worst players in the league. I see a real bright future for this defense. Thank heavens for Greg(g) Williams.

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | October 15, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Well, Carter had another stunning game. Last week it was no tackles, this week it's one(a sack). So I think he has all of 11 tackles for the season now and two sacks; nice way to spend thirty million dollars.

Posted by: Megskin | October 15, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse


Are you kidding? Cut both of them? Then what would we do? And I believe Carter got a sack today.

As much as I love the Skins, I must face the fact we are simply not a good team. Thank God basketball season is right around the corner.

Posted by: Lisa | October 15, 2006 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Let me think about that Lisa. Yes!!!!! How about play Rocky. I can take things happening with young players.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the two runs and the time out before the half? Man this is awful and is going to be a long year.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought screens were used to throw a team off. Never in my life would i have thought that with all these so-called explosive offensive weapons, that we would screen these mo-fos to death. Like the announcer said, they knew it was coming, but I never thought it would be as much as this. YOU DO NOT USE SCREENS AS YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER.

This is not KCs offense from last year.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 15, 2006 5:41 PM | Report abuse

4th floor

You do if you have a QB that can't get the ball to the players any other way. It was at least 3 passes that I heard should have been int's from Brunell. Then he miss Cooley over the middle when he was open. Whenever we need a big play on 3rd down or any time during the game he hasn't come up with one.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:46 PM | Report abuse

That brings me to my central point - Brunell must be benched. I'd rather do it this week, but it has to come by the bye weekend at the latest.

Anyone agree with me?

Posted by: 4th | October 15, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

4th bra I agree and been saying that since last year. However, coach Joe said there will be no change.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess will have to wait one more week, which regretfully = one more loss.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 15, 2006 5:55 PM | Report abuse

i'm f-ing pissed at the world!!! get out off (extra f you know for what)my way!!!

202, gregg had 2 rookies playing at the tackle position. defense gave the offense a chance to win it at the end. rember it was frost who shanked it that gave them the ball in skins territory. and who's decision was it to keep frosty?????????????
the good old HC!!! mr. gibbs! the GM! el presidente!!!

i'm officially not drinking the coolaid until they start campbel.

memo to the host of this blog: maybe just maybe you bit more than you could chew when you took on the "COMMENTATORS". you've been on the job for 2 years they'been sitting in that "MMQB" chair for 12-15 years!!!! i'd say play calling looks purty suspeeeeeecious to me. yep, them idiots didn't know what they were talking about!!! not at all!

when you tell the OC who his QB is, and he tells you he'd have to throw away, let's see 689 pages of his 700 pages playbook...i think the HC just told his OC what plays to call!!!!! directly or indirectly!!!

go back to that room behind the press room and find out "off camera" where you tell us real scoops take place what the F joe gibbs is doing to this team! is he here to steal snyder's, a chump, money?

now ask some hard questions come monday and earn your pay! like when will he cut brunell?????????????????????????????????

Posted by: dealer | October 15, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Amen (not my) dealer.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 15, 2006 6:17 PM | Report abuse

They are not going to "CUT" anyone....bench them maybe. I agree that Rocky should be given a shot. Brunell did not lose this game but Campbell should be brought in since our season is over....let's get him some practice before next season. If he does not work out at least we can pick someone up in the off-season. Where did our stellar defense from the past two season disappear to?

Posted by: Lisa | October 15, 2006 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 15, 2006 6:45 PM | Report abuse

So Jason, this so-called 'losing team' we played didn't look weak to me.

We ('Skins) must be chop suyee......

Posted by: Who Saw This Coming? Not the Beat Reporters... | October 15, 2006 6:56 PM | Report abuse

BOOFER bra I was not one that said it was SB run. If you go back I was the one that still called for Brunell to be benched. I said then and say now anyone can throw 22 straight against them.

Posted by: jm220 | October 15, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BOOFER | October 15, 2006 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The Titans were pretty hungry. What surprises me is why, after screens and outside short passes as today's bread and butter, Saunders calls for midfield pass instead of the sideline passes we've done in the past when we need to march down into FG range. Brunell's performance today was not bench-worthy. Today was just bad play calling. Nice catch by Lloyd. FINALLY a few long passes thrown (or called?). SANTANA MOSS DROPPING A PASS IN HIS HANDS? What was that about?

I feel like a Bengals fan today (even though Tampa Bay is weaker than the Titans).

This was a week for hungry teams. I guess other teams (like the Bucs, Lions, Titans) really do have 53 guys each paid a ton of money to play professional sports. The thing about "any given Sunday" is that its not random. Its not about individuals (either a player or a coach). Its about a team, an attitude, that both gets the opportunity and takes it. This weekend, it was the Steelers. Talk about being hungry AND FINDING IT as a team. We need THAT kind of turnaround game. [Like the Patriots had in Cincy a week or two ago.] The Jags game was not that game. That was just CP's return ... the sigh of relief game ... not the turning point game.

Bad week to be a fan. I'm still on this band wagon ... I'm just wondering who's pulling the wagon and what the band is playing.

Posted by: dcsween | October 15, 2006 9:52 PM | Report abuse

guys, our season isn't over. if it was i sure as heck wouldn't be here at midnight...waiting for post to release its columns on the game. i'd be sleeping. and relieved.

D problems:
1. D tackles. Griffin needs to be in there.
2. 99 had a sack today and i think he came from an LB position(?)
3. tackling
4. not intercepting, recovering fumbles

O problems:
1. not running, not running, not running...when i saw the first 3 plays of the game i wanted to puke. this aint the AFC west!
2. those stupid trick plays (coach gibbs, take over play calling (but keep some of saunder's nifty plays) and hire a damn gm!)
3. can't ask brunell to win the game (no legs, and for ball to go far you need legs and not just arm unless you're michael vick)...
4. if skins need the qb to win games then they need to put someone else in at that position.
5. portis keeps taking himself out at key moments of the game. betts is not portis.

this blog's life depends on a win at indie!

peace! out!

Posted by: dealer | October 16, 2006 12:11 AM | Report abuse


B. I don't like some idiot coming on this board and being rude and essentially dismissing someones views because they are a female.

what are you talking about? do you control this board? who cares if you like it. i was responding to many posters, not you in paritcular. are you a female? cuz i wasnt dismissing your views i dont even remember what your views are. and honestly i could care less. and yes i'm not a regular on this blog but yall say the same thing that is said on tv, radio, newspapers...

anyways how about my idiotic points on gregg williams making more money than several head coaches. i'll give him a pass with injuries at D-tackle...actually on second thought we were playing an 0-5 team at home with a rookie qb and an average rb rushing for a buck eighty. with all your experience working in pro sports can you tell me what happens to an employee with millions of dollars (again more millions than many head coaches, probably even twice as much as some) invested in him when he is putting teams on the field that produce the results that could have been produced by you or me? its one thing to look bad on the road in the nfc east. its another to look horrible against a former employer who is 0-5 with a first year employee (in his 3rd start) running the show in your own stadium.

blame the players or blame the genious. i made my pick. i bet the rams are glad that mr. snyder opened his checkbook.

Posted by: poop | October 16, 2006 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Megskin, yes, I'm a late convert to the bench Brunell gang. Hopefully the stats will emhance people's arguments. LWC

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 16, 2006 2:14 AM | Report abuse

One last thing before I blast off to work.
Last night in the post-game interviews, Sonny asked Brandon Lloyd about the offense and he said: "All we can do is run the plays that are called." And Sonny said, "so you're saying I should ask the coaches about the offense?" And Lloyd said yes. At which point Larry gave him a softball and tossed it back to the studio.

Posted by: LWC | October 16, 2006 2:37 AM | Report abuse

The glass is at half capacity (not half empty, not half full). The NFC East remains the most competitive division. The Skins have the best record of the teams that are 4th in their division. Philly has the worst record for teams in first in their division (tied with Baltimore). We are two games out. Outside of games against NFC East opponents, no one in the NFC East beat anyone they shouldn't have. What this means is that we need to win one of our remaining away games in the division ... plus we need to beat someone that we are not supposed to beat (b/c of one of the losses to a team we were supposed to have beaten -- either yesterday's game or the Minnesota game).

A wild card spot is still not out of the picture. Between the Rams, the Saints, the Falcons, and the Colts, we need to win three out of four. [If not for the losses to the Titans and the Vikings, we would only have needed to win two out of those four.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2006 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This game plan was pretty pathetic. They were a terrible team when it came to stopping the run, and between Portis/Betts we gave them 16 carries? Also, how many times can we throw a flanker screen to Moss. Brunnel, unfortunatly due to his inability to get the ball down the field, and throw to someone OTHER than Santana, is a liability at this time. Our defense was bad, but Brunell couldn't/wouldn't throw to ANYONE, but Moss. Time for some changes, Rocky and Evans need to get more P/T. And it shouldn't stop there.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"The Washington Redskins' struggling secondary took another blow yesterday when cornerback Carlos Rogers broke his thumb, which could hinder his playmaking ability in coming weeks"

I cant believe Jason actually wrote this with a straight face. So what hindered his playmaking ability the previous weeks? Explosive diarrhea??

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 9:37 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: DC Luv | October 16, 2006 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"He is an exceptional football player," Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs said. "He is really cool and calm. I think he is one of the premier football players in the NFL. I think they have a real special person."

This is Gibbs on Vince Young. Once again if we would have gotten him, he would be in Jason Campbells position, sitting as the 3rd stringer holding a clipboard.

Our Defense is Gawd awful. Where do you start? Why did we not run the ball? Brunell cometimes looks like he has his arm of old, and then looks like he just has an old arm. I am in a state of confusion with how poorly we played in general. I think we might be able to get Kerry Collins from the Titans. I hear he is looking for one last big paycheck.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 9:46 AM | Report abuse

at home,91,000 fans against winless team with rookie QB in his 3rd start,RB name henry 178 yds,no way to spin this.redskins suck!

Posted by: peyton | October 16, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I still say Troy Vincent can only be a stop gap signing for this season. He's a safety and we need corners, now more than ever with Rogers out. Relieved that Springs will be back, but he is a 9-year veteran who takes longer to heal. The Bucs are shopping Brian Kelly (CB). We should make the move now b/c the corners at Indy are going to have be Springs and Wright with Rumph as the nickel. Kelly is returning after turf toe (big toe sprained underneath from too much extension), so he would need the bye week anyway.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2006 10:05 AM | Report abuse

ESPN says that Brunell's foot injury was having a toe nail ripped off. Yuck.

Posted by: dcsween | October 16, 2006 10:06 AM | Report abuse

my 2 cents...

1. Too bad 202 but I am not fateither - far from it - a 6'8" and 308 pound bodybuilder with 11% bodyfat.

2. I like Megskins for her wit and contributions to this online community. Her sex/race/age/etc. etc. mean nothing to me.

3. No matter what, I am a Skins fan. AM I disappointed now? - YES, of course. It hurts it is so disappointing - but I will remain a loyal fan in VAB, VA.

Posted by: X.Hog | October 16, 2006 10:12 AM | Report abuse

>> "99 had a sack today and i think he came from an LB position(?)"

It was a stunt from the RDE position. Good play, actually. One of the few bright spots.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 16, 2006 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Of the 10 remaining games, only 1 of them is against a sub-.500 team. and that's on the road against Tampa Bay....which is one of the toughest places to play, where the Bengals, oft considered a superior AFC team, lost.


Posted by: K-Man | October 16, 2006 10:18 AM | Report abuse

One man's thoughts:

Horrible D. Inconsistent O. Special teams getting worse every week. Is anybody coaching these guys?

I've now officially jumped on the Hate Archuleta club, there was a play in the second half where I spied him just traipsing along, rather than going after a tackle. And he was only a few feet away, mind you. It was shades of Stanley Richard, if you recall "The Sheriff". As Archie was traipsing over there, some other Redskin actually pushed him out of the way so that he (the other Redskin) could try to get in on the tackle. And this is our "hard-hitting" safety. Guess the great GM, whoever that is, only watched the highlight reel, didn't bother checking to see if this guy mailed it in every other play. Fortunately, Archuletanotherguygorightpastyou still has his fine coverage skills to fall back on.

And Andre Carter continues to be almost invisible (except primarily to the ants he's constantly falling on, I spoze).

Oh, and I really loved Brunell's effort on the last drive, what a courageous display of leadership that was. Yeah, he wasn't ready to just take a shower. Let's see, we need to go 50 yards in about 1:10 with no timeouts. Ehh, that sounds like it'd be a lot of hard work, f*ck that, how about I just lob the first pass into sextuple coverage so we can all go home? Works for you? Works for me. Yeah, let's keep that guy going for a few more years.

And who needs Antonio Pierce when you have Warrick Holdman?

Carlos Rogers actually stays with receivers sometimes. Now if he ever realizes that he's allowed to look at the ball and even knock it down occasionally, we'll really have something there. Carlos: it's a football, not Medusa's head.


Posted by: spunky | October 16, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Weekend of upsets
Only cared about the Skins
Upsetting weekend

Posted by: MV Dame | October 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

A comment, whether verbally or written, that stated why the Redskins played this poorly after going up 14-3 is what I've been looking for since 0:00 of the 4th qtr.

I mean everything has been stated here, but I want it coming from a Redskins mouth. Springs has stated it pretty clearly, but I don't know if his teammates comprhended it. Seeing the look on Renaldo's face in light of the booing told me some things. But, I'd like the Coach to take the podium and cut that "in it all together" and the term "guts" and kindly explain what is it they do through the week that can't be played on the field.


Why can't we catch a int.? Why can't Rock or any sp temer pick up a loose ball? Crap, you're trying to strip it, why not be ready to pounce on it. That fumbled punt return ROLLED OVER Rock's foot. Carlos Rogers is not a 1 or 2 d-back. Sorry team. Nickel at best.

Gibbs/ Saunders, get the stupid play in #8's helmet. We gave up a t/o, and were close to losing another because we can't get out of the huddle fast enough to take the snap but for less than a second on the play clock. That leaves NO time to see what the defense is doing to audible.

Lastly, Mark, why did you throw into 5 defenders? I know the play was to go that way, but the Titans were witing for it.

Long vent. Sorry.

Posted by: coolio | October 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Report abuse

what's there to say about yesterday's game but 'freaking terrible'

Were there any good out of it?

I'm so disappointed ... I'm going back to bed. Someone wake me up Thursday or Friday, please?

Posted by: X.Hog | October 16, 2006 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Told ya. We stink.

The only thing we have done well all year was run against Hou and Jax. Why are we not running the ball? Portis and Betts, Sellers and Rock, and TJ Duckett. Is anyone more prepared to run the ball than us? The O line clearly cannot pass protect so why not play to their strength, get the push going like late last year.

I don't give a damn about Saunders feelings/contract, plug in the O that BARELY starting working at the end of last year. Go with what you know and keep that D off the field.

Defense? C'mon. All we had to do was stop the run, all we did was give up 200+ AGAIN. Springs back, Carlos out. Is Marcus our only tackling LB? Had no idea that we were getting the KC defense with the KC offense. Hopeless.

Teams showed up to lose yeterday too. Complete effort. At least everyone was on the same page for a change.

7-9 in my prayers. How does Norv look now? He had a 7-9 in him every year, and on the cheap. Great work Danny, Joe, Vinny. GM? Can we get GM's GM? He is failing too, but not like this.

Party on Gluttons

Posted by: PedroG | October 16, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Spunky, they let Holdman go at year end, draft Rocky, bring in Havner, and some others. Then they bring Holdman back, believing his sorry year last year was an aberation, and let all Rookies go except Rocky. Holdman is who he is. Not very good. He's playing Lemar's position, and the guy we needed in the middle was gifted to the Giants. All that "he's a Redskin" bs. We let go nickel players that want a dime, for players that are worth a nickel that we pay a quarter.

The Snyder is a money man, not a football one. Vinnie is a HORRIBLE talent evaluator.

Posted by: coolio | October 16, 2006 10:32 AM | Report abuse

So let me guess, Al Saunders was brought in to teach screen passes and reverses? Apart from the ridiculous amount of shifting, what else is different between last year and this year's offense? Both are inept but at least we learnt the RUN PORTIS lesson last year. This year, the play callers seem to have forgotten that. More than before, Portis seems like an after-thought. 14 carries in a 3-point loss is just unexplainable. But am sure Coach Gibbs will find a way to praise the team for being "good football players".

Quick question: Does the pre-snap shifting really work? With all the shifting our WRs still can't get open. And when they do, the QB throws too short/long/high.

Posted by: Bart | October 16, 2006 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The only good thing is this defeat should speed up the start of the Jason Campbell era. Right? The +ve for Brunell was that he gives us the best chance to win games. Well we aren't doing that. So why not play the rookie, have him use the rest of the season to learn the 700-page playbook (no doubt half of it is shifting and reverses). That way everybody starts the next season on the same level? If Gibbs sticks with Brunell to the end of the season, next season is REALLY gonna suck.

Posted by: Bart | October 16, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Clash with the Titans
Medusa turns poor Rogers
Into solid stone

Posted by: MV Dame | October 16, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Well Meg, you said that if we lost to the Titans at home then we could officially start calling for Jason Campbell. You are a dreamer if you think this team is going anywhere this year after losing to the Titans at home. Brunell and Collins only have 1-2 years left in the NFL anyway because of their age. It's time to bring in the young (but getting older each year he sits on the bench) QB so JLC can stop calling him a rookie. Give the kid some game experience, it's the only way he's going to get better. Brunell doesn't need anymore game experience. The team has too many problems right now to fix at this point. At least we can get our young QB prospect some game experience, so he's ready when we finally fix all of our other problems. JLC, is Frost going to be around next week. I can't imagine Gibbs wants to ever see Frost again after this game.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Since we run the most screens in the NFL, why not put Campbell in. Or we could just use the game plan the Titans used for Vince Young, Run, Run, Run. Pass only when absolutely necessary. It is kind of odd how we established ourselves as a running team last year, then spend money on an O-coordinator to try to make us a passing team.

I cant even comment on our defense. You all saw the game. As a unit, they looked like garbage, complete garbage. Im so glad we let our linebackers go to the giants. The ones we replaced them with work so much better. I am also we got that rookie linebacker and dont let him play. I am sure he can tackle people by the facemask like Holdman.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 10:50 AM | Report abuse

well vented coolio...everyone saw that Young was hurt and knew that Henry would get the ball...

Posted by: DC Luv | October 16, 2006 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Some responses to previous posts:

PedroG, we have butted heads in the past, but this was a great line: "Had no idea that we were getting the KC defense with the KC offense." Classic -- wish I'd thought of it.

Gatorskins said, "So what hindered his playmaking ability the previous weeks?" I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that article. Except for the part about the explosive poop. Very funny.

jm220, you've been preaching it for weeks and I think I've now seen the light. Brunell has got to go.

You guys are great.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse


I have to say I'm not just upset about the game but also the fans... I went to games when we really sucked but the fans hung in there. After the game I went with a friend to the players parking area where you can get autographs and we had a number of fans just tearing into some of the players. What's Moss going to do if Brunell throws a few good passes a game? Give the guy a break! If we should be pissed at anyone I'd say its the coaching and not the players.

How many times did they cut they cut back when on the run? Where was the D? Is it really the players or the coaching?

Posted by: Franky Four Fingers | October 16, 2006 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Holdman and Lemar Marshall haven't done a thing. I haven't said a bad thing about Lemar Marshall all year and I thought he would pick up his game, but as a middle linebacker he really doesn't seem to be making his presence felt in the run game. He needs to be hitting the RB every time he gets the ball. Seems like he's constantly out of position on run plays. Holdman just can't tackle - shoving a guy out of bounds, or taking a guy down by the facemask is Holdman's only hope to stop anybody. I'd love to see if Rocky could step in for Holdman and shut down those runs to the left side, but I guess that's up to gwilliams. Boy the floodgates have opened on our secondary, and I'm sure P. Manning is licking his chops when he watches our films.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game too. It was totally inappropriate for the crowd to start chanting we want Campbell while the offense was still on the field preparing for a big 3rd down. What are we trying to do; create homefield disadvantage for Brunell and the skins? I sure hope our fans can show more class than philly fans, and not boo or chant for the backup QB when we are in a close game that we need to win.

Posted by: Max | October 16, 2006 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh,

There have been a few of us rooting for Brunell to go. He reminds me of an old boxer, on one side people are saying he is washed up, the other side says well did you see rounds 4-6, he was great for those rounds. After a few more boxing matches the boxer is damn near retarded and doesnt recognize his own kids. The problem with the boxer is himself for not wanting to admit he is to old perform like he once did so he keeps going out with the mindset he can get it done, and his trainer for hoping he has that one last good run and letting him go out and make an ass of himself. Eventually the trainer needs to grow some balls and throw in the towel on his fighter, tell him to go back to Jacksonville and sip fruity drinks with toothpick umbrellas in them and turn to the young fighter waiting in the wings and work with him.

That towel needs to be in Gibbs hand, even though Im sure it will pain him to no end to do so, it needs to be done. Wait for the bye-week if you must Gibbs, but realize the fact that 31 other teams have that towel ready whenever it is best for the team. Loyal or not. Hopefully an old dog can learn new tricks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 16, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

gator, agreed, there have been many calling for Campbell. jm220 and I had a disagreement last week about it, so I wanted to acknowledge him. By the way, I like the boxer metaphor.

Here's my take. Before today, I would have argued that in a 2 minute drill, I'd rather have the crafty veteran than a young gunslinger and, given that this is a run-first team, there will likely be several such occasions. His dink-and-dunk high percentage throws were no fun, but they were a good match for our style of offense. The Texans game was a good example.

That said, in that exact situation this week (two minutes to go, game on the line), Brunell stared at a prevent defense and threw it into coverage. Pick. Game over. If that's what he brings to the table, then it's time to put him out to pasture.

Also, is it too much to ask for him to put it in front of a receiver? I'm sick of seeing WRs contort themselves to catch balls that are thown behind them.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 16, 2006 11:35 AM | Report abuse

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