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Posted at 10:07 AM ET, 01/11/2011

Is Cam Newton worth a first-round pick?

By Washington Post editors

Should the Redskins spend a first-round pick on Auburn QB Cam Newton? Give us your opinion in the Redskins Tailgate Zone:

By Washington Post editors  | January 11, 2011; 10:07 AM ET
 
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NO

Posted by: WRBD | January 11, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

After what I saw last night(admittedly the only time I've seen him play), I wouldn't waste a first or a second round pick on him.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

who cares

Posted by: bangkokben | January 11, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse


Beep, it was made abundantly clear yesterday that Moe welcomes no feedback on his posts unless they consist of such phrases as "100% agree" or "co-sign" or "atta boy" or "yes massa". Disagreement with the almighty Krang makes him grumpy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 7:56 AM |

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not even close

mr moe was commenting on folks who attack and said he didn't care what anyone thinks about his post

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brownwood26


Actually, what's most annoying are the people who never have any original ideas, but just spend their free time tearing down other people's ideas.

There are dudes who do nothing but surf other folks opinions for stuff to post.

Without the people who lay out their opinion, such people would have nothing to say.

Me?: I sling opinion freely.

And I don't ever hate or criticize another blogga's opinions, especially if I never have any myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 10, 2011 11:09 AM |


Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

We should do whatever possible to draft Fairley. He would be the Suh/Raji of our 3-4 defense and would represent a significant upgrade over our current NT options.

Posted by: Section104 | January 11, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I've only seen one game..that being said, I wasn't that impressed with him last night, prototypical size, seems to have good mechanics, not terribly accurate, sure he's a good runner, but in the NFL unless you can rip a 4.2 40, then you'll end up looking out your ear hole...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hell yes!!! And since Beep Beep pointed out that I can no longer pull out the hammer due to blog rules. I am going with planet fitness commercial of "I pick things up and put them down". loooool

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Nice...finally a new post...that tells us to go somewhere else.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Man this qb stuff has got us set back further than I thought.....

I guess WaPo would rather have a good qb prospect get destroyed behind our horrendous line instead of building our line then getting someone we can protect.

Improved O line with Rex Grossman > current line with rookie QB

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

First-round pick? Take him in the first round and you'll get plenty of picks -- two per game. There's something fundamentally wrong with a QB who can't hit an open receiver.

I'd rather have Tebow. And I don't think Tebow was worth a second round pick.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong he's a great athlete But

I honestly believe he's going to need at least

two years of learning on the bench.

You do not spend the 10th overall pick on a guy

like that. Somebody is going to draft him

somewhere in the first but I wouldn't draft

him until mid to late 2nd

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | January 11, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Is Cam Newton worth a first-round pick?"


No. Next question.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

It would be a huge mistake. There is no question that the guy has talent. The problem lies in the scheme that he runs. A spread option includes one read and then run. If the first passing option isn't there take off. He is not required to go through progressions, check down, or read defenses. Not saying he can't learn these things but a first rounder should have some experience doing these things already. If you're saying hell yes then you just don't know football.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse


wouldn't take him in any round. go d-line with the #10 pick.

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

We should do whatever possible to draft Fairley. He would be the Suh/Raji of our 3-4 defense and would represent a significant upgrade over our current NT options.

Posted by: Section104 | January 11, 2011 10:21 AM

Big Splash for Section104!!! Bring back Cerrato to work the trade-it-all-for-one-guy.

If Fairley's there at #10 we should take him. Otherwise, we should wish him well except in the games he faces us.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975

I guess the only people that does know football are people that agree with you. Clown!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Man this qb stuff has got us set back further than I thought.....

I guess WaPo would rather have a good qb prospect get destroyed behind our horrendous line instead of building our line then getting someone we can protect.

Improved O line with Rex Grossman > current line with rookie QB

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM |

Not true they aren't going to draft o-line at #10 anyway there are none in this draft worth that pick.

I say go d-line with the pick but if they do take QB it will not effect what the o-line looks like in 2011 one bit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Here's where I get confused.....

Shanny said he's looking for the next Sam Bradford or Dmac right??

Ok so who isn't looking for that?? Maybe elite qb teams but every team in the league wants a franchise guy

I think Shanny is blowing smoke

He's faking interest in these qbs so someone else will wanna trade up for one of them.

Why would Shanny take the 5th or 6th best QB available with such a high pick??

At 10 there will be a plethera of talent to pick up; julio jones, mark ingram, ryan kerrigan, no way we pass up on one of those great peices for the 6th rated qb!!!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 11, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

He's a dynamic talent, but I wouldn't want that guy on my team AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:07 AM

Yeah he's a mouthy little sh*t and I'm glad he's not a Redskin. He made some snotty remarks when DM5 was traded to us and while I'm not a huge DM5 fan if he deserved respect anywhere it was in the City of Brotherly a holes.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Look, you draft Cam or Gabbart. Sit for one whole year. And start them the following year once you retool you're offensive line. Championship.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I'd like for the redskins to sign several players that I have never heard of...on the cheap...that are under the rader...mid-twenties...and fit nicely into our systems.

Thank you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

What is this, the RI Personals now?

'SWF seeking NERD to watch Star Trek with.'
May I suggest Brian Burke?

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess the only people that does know football are people that agree with you. Clown!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:28 AM

jm220 -- Did you just lift scamp up and put him down?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Look, you draft Cam or Gabbart. Sit for one whole year. And start them the following year once you retool you're offensive line. Championship.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor

Right on point 4th. Anyone that thinks sexy rexy is going to get the job done is fooling themselves. We need get a QB of the furture and let him sit a year as rex take the beating from a sorry as* o line.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Dude is not even worth a nose pick.

Another big and dumb QB from Auburn...

Got too many of 'em in the league already.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 11, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I guess the only people that does know football are people that agree with you. Clown!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:28 AM


To be fair, I don't think it's as much about agreeing with him so much as knowing that there's A LOT more to playing QB than arm strength and 40 times. Most of what makes a QB great is intangible, and if Newton can't even display all of the tangible stuff, nobody's going to be seduced into thinking he's got "it". People who don't know that tend to be the same ones that thought JaMarcus Russell going #1 overall was a good idea...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

jm220 -- Did you just lift scamp up and put him down?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:33 AM

That's smokeythebear's move...or was that lift him to the ground?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Newton was awesome last night. Like when he short armed a wide open TD. Or badly overthrew another wide open WR streaking down the field. Or fumbling while nursing an 8 point lead. Michael Dyer and Fairley won that game for them. Newton is talented but is going to be hard pressed to be elite in the NFL. Pass.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 11, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse


I'd like for the redskins to sign several players that I have never heard of...on the cheap...that are under the rader...mid-twenties...and fit nicely into our systems.

Thank you.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 9:39 AM |

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no, thank you, this is heading in the right direction play !

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

No to Cam in the first, yes to DT in the first and Jake Locker or Mallet in the second.

Use FA to solidify the O-line. Leaving us with a full year of Rex Grossman, or dare I say it, Alex Smith.

The 49ers are going to let him go and he's the type of guy I could see Shanny taking a shot on. All the physical tools, smart, but never had the coaching to required to put it all together.

He could be Shanny's Jake Plumme?

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

big board for the skins..........
1.bowers
2.aj green
3.fairley(if we dont sign ngata)
4.miller
Posted by: zorn_sucks | January 11, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Cam looked pretty good last night. Not nearly as dominate as Fairly, dude was a monster...too bad he plays 4-3.
Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Seems like there is some confusion about what role Fairley would play in the 3-4... he projects as a DE in the 3-4, not as an NT as some posters have stated (think of him as a Richard Seymour, rather than a Haloti Ngata - most 3-4 DE play were 4-3 DT in college). But he won't be there when we pick, so we shouldn't waste too much time pondering it.

Bowers (who will also be gone) has the build of a classic 4-3 end, but doesn't fit as well as a 3-4 end (nor as a 3-4 OLB), so he doens't really fit what we should be looking for.

At #10, we should have a shot at a good 3-4 OLB prospect or possibly a 3-4 end if Dareus (the DT from Alabama) falls that far.

Posted by: PDXskin | January 11, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I get the discussion with Fairley and Kerrigan, both good players, but neither plays in a 3-4, correct. So I dont really want another project on D that doesnt match our system...we need guys that specialize in the 3-4 to make this work. You know, none of which are on this team right now...

ALso Kerrigan seems to be injury prone...

Durability - Sprained ankle during 2008 training camp and does not start the season opener against North Colorado. Breaks foot during the 2009 season finale against Indiana and undergoes surgery. Aggravates injury in spring of 2010 but it does not require another surgery to correct.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT-8b9Zn-U8

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid to click that. I heard the news about the hack at youtube.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

NO WAY! I'm done with Auburn QB's...

Posted by: isonic1 | January 11, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I get the discussion with Fairley and Kerrigan, both good players, but neither plays in a 3-4, correct. So I dont really want another project on D that doesnt match our system...we need guys that specialize in the 3-4 to make this work. You know, none of which are on this team right now...

ALso Kerrigan seems to be injury prone...

Durability - Sprained ankle during 2008 training camp and does not start the season opener against North Colorado. Breaks foot during the 2009 season finale against Indiana and undergoes surgery. Aggravates injury in spring of 2010 but it does not require another surgery to correct.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2011 10:44 AM |

Not many teams play a 3-4 in college so most of your great 3-4 d-linemen in the league played in a 4-3 in college.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Newton was awesome last night. Like when he short armed a wide open TD. Or badly overthrew another wide open WR streaking down the field. Or fumbling while nursing an 8 point lead. Michael Dyer and Fairley won that game for them. Newton is talented but is going to be hard pressed to be elite in the NFL. Pass.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 11, 2011 10:36 AM

Yeah, but forget the 2 perfect balls he threw for TDs. The 2nd one, he had to side step the rushing deender and moved up in the pocket and still got it to him.

Did you even watch any games when they were playing week in/week out. All he did was execute the game plan.

And WTF is people talking about Fairley....Can you say HAynesworth 2.0? MoFo stay getting 15 yard personal foul penalties.....

But tis the season to bash good players. Like the majority of RI did last year when I said we still get Bradford @ #4 irregardless of his multiple shoulder injuries in College....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

What is this, the RI Personals now?

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 10:33 AM

I don't care if we have to use eHarmony...just build us a good football team dammit!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

No on Cam.

He is supremely talented and a proven winner but he's also about 2 years away from being close to ready for the NFL.

Using a high first on him would lead to pressure to play him before he's ready.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

NO WAY! I'm done with Auburn QB's...

Posted by: isonic1 | January 11, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly. This discussion of for naught, no way Shannahan jumps on this kid.

All you have to do is look at Cutler.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

NO WAY! I'm done with Auburn QB's...

Posted by: isonic1 | January 11, 2011 10:45 AM

JAson Campbell and Cam are two different people.

Just click on the link I posted above, and you, like I did, will recognize they are not the same.

Cam is a leader. JC is not. He is too quiet. Cam is waaay more mobile. And JC had more pieces around him as evidenced by the 2 RBs on his team that were chosen ahead of him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Using a high first on him would lead to pressure to play him before he's ready.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 10:51 AM

Even if we drafted him in the 6th their would be pressure to play him right away because of the other QB's on the team.

When Shanahan drafted Cutler he sat him behind Plummer until the 12th game.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly. This discussion of for naught, no way Shannahan jumps on this kid.

All you have to do is look at Cutler.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Huh? You think Newton and Cutler are similar players?

Posted by: JSchon | January 11, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton to Buffalo. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

4th I saw Newton play at least 5x this year. He is a supremely talented college QB and I like the attitude he brings on the field. Just think there are too many question marks about how his game will translate to the NFL to take him at 10. If he slides to the 2nd round when we are on the clock I would take a hard look at it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 11, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

right now I am leaning towards either Von Miller or Akeem Ayers, both strong outside LB with good speed and good at rushing the qb, both seem more than capable in coverage as well.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 11, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton to Buffalo. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 10:58 AM

Care to call the round, too? Second? Third?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts exactly. This discussion of for naught, no way Shannahan jumps on this kid.

All you have to do is look at Cutler.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Huh? You think Newton and Cutler are similar players?

Posted by: JSchon | January 11, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm saying they are nothing alike and that Cutler is the type of player Shannahan will look for.

A pure passer who can make the progressions required of his offense. Not saying that Cam doesn't have a strong arm, or that he won't be able to read a defense, but Shannhan will look for someone who is closer to an NFL style QB.

Cam is not that person, Cutler was and hence he'll look for a similar type QB - Mallet, Locker, or someone else.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 11, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

wouldn't take him in any round. go d-line with the #10 pick.

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

There, fixed it for ya!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse


Is Cam Newton worth a first-round pick?

No.

Dude should stay in school.

And if you compare, I'd say Terrelle Pryor might be a better quarterback at this point.

And he should stay in school, too.

That would make next year's class very, very, very good:

Luck
Barkley
Newton
Pryor
Masoli

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

First-round pick? Take him in the first round and you'll get plenty of picks -- two per game.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM

hahahahahaaaaaa

I don't follow college ball, so I won't offer an opinion on Cam (he seemed decent but not great last night - I like his smile?), but I liked this comment :)

Posted by: KellyInBC | January 11, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

First-round pick? Take him in the first round and you'll get plenty of picks -- two per game.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:22 AM

hahahahahaaaaaa

I don't follow college ball, so I won't offer an opinion on Cam (he seemed decent but not great last night - I like his smile?), but I liked this comment :)

Posted by: KellyInBC | January 11, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess the only people that does know football are people that agree with you. Clown!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 10:28 AM |

...and apparently EVERYBODY ELSE on this board except you. You know what my Mom used to tell me when I was a kid? When you think you're right and everybody else thinks you're wrong...guess what, you're wrong.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Gotcha

Posted by: JSchon | January 11, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: Burrasta1 | January 11, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Sweet!

Posted by: 4thFloor

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Sweet Indeed, Tracy Porter getting b!tch smacked was special. Initially I thought the recipient was Leigh Torrance, Imagine That!

Posted by: Spanglerg | January 11, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hell NO!!!

Posted by: wattsicon | January 11, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

give mcnabb and the #10 pick and something else to move up to get fairley, he's a beast. Take newton with a late draft pick, he could turn out to be another jason cambell

Posted by: mattgaylor25 | January 11, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Say NO TO ANY HYPED UP QB LIKE NEWTON,Draft a QB in the late rounds, Draft the kid from NEVADA in the 6th round.

Posted by: unvvr | January 11, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

If Fairley's there at #10 we should take him. Otherwise, we should wish him well except in the games he faces us.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, no need to go out of our way for him. There are at least 10 great prospects in this draft and you know as well as I do that someone is going to Buffalo up this draft. We're 1 Darrius Heyward Bey away from A.J. Green. We're 1 Aaron Maybin away from Marcell Dareus... You know what I mean.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton? No.

Fig Newtons? Yes, please!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

Well since I am a grown ass man and make up my own mind and not allow my mother tell me what to do. Maybe you need to go talk to other children that listen to their mother

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

Well since I am a grown ass man and make up my own mind and not allow my mother tell me what to do. Maybe you need to go talk to other children that listen to their mother

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:23 AM |

Oh, good one. Maybe you and 4th can go have a "stupid" party grown ass man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse


If Fairley's there at #10 we should take him. Otherwise, we should wish him well except in the games he faces us.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 10:26 AM |

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good beep, much rather trade down than up anyways

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeah it was a good one wasn't it. lool

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely NO! But Fairley,,Absolutely YES!!

Posted by: imposter | January 11, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

hessone

moe was commenting on folks who attack and said he didn't care what anyone thinks about his posts


Wow: thanks for defending the little honor I have.

I wasn't aware of that posting by brown.

And I wasn't insinuating anything negative about him--and I wonder where that stuff about having to agree with me comes from.

I could care less what folks think about what I think or post.

Keepin' it real it what keeps this blog flowin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse


Well since I am a grown ass man and make up my own mind and not allow my mother tell me what to do. Maybe you need to go talk to other children that listen to their mother

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:23 AM |

Oh, good one. Maybe you and 4th can go have a "stupid" party grown ass man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:25 AM |

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didn't someone mention eHarmony in an earlier post ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Are there going to be any hot, stupid chicks at this stupid party?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Shanny/Kyle wants players who fit their scheme, the only question; is Cam a good fit for their scheme?

Has Shanny coached up a rookie QB to greatness? Cutler? If not, there is no way Shanny and Kyle are going to coach up Cam. Kyle will wait until Cam's second year on the team and declare him lazy, can't read defenses and won't run his offense like Sexy Rexy.

A black QB, from undefeated Auburn - did we not have that guy and the coach and his son decided - in the offseason - that he would not work in their scheme? I just don't think Shanny and his crew can coach up anyone. If you are not tailor-made for their schemes, then you don't get the opportunity. Please don't draft Cam. We will destroy his potential and turn him into a JaMarcus Russell.

Posted by: SPUD2 | January 11, 2011 11:31 AM | Report abuse

didn't someone mention eHarmony in an earlier post ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM |

...and now the touchy feely blog police show up. Ever notice how anytime anyone gets into it or says anything derogatory on this blog hessy shows with his self righteousness? Give it a rest and let the men have their "discussions" okay little girl?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Are there going to be any hot, stupid chicks at this stupid party?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM

Only if hessone shows up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Sure, why not 2 or 3 if you're the Redskins.

Dumb!
Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The Redskins are like groundhog day.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | January 11, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse


hessone

moe was commenting on folks who attack and said he didn't care what anyone thinks about his posts


Wow: thanks for defending the little honor I have.

I wasn't aware of that posting by brown.

And I wasn't insinuating anything negative about him--and I wonder where that stuff about having to agree with me comes from.

I could care less what folks think about what I think or post.

Keepin' it real it what keeps this blog flowin'.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 11:28 AM |

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moe, all this blog needs is a SB championship and the love will flow.

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should make a ton of noise about drafting Newton and then take someone else. Some sucker of a team will trade above Washington to get him and Washington will get the guy that falls a pick, or maybe that sucker of a team will trade with Washington.

Now, although I think the owners and the union will work things out, what if they don't? Is there an NFL draft if there is no contract? I guess there wouldn't be, would there? What would happen with all of the players coming out of college? UFL? CFL?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

All of this yelling is taking away my horny.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

didn't someone mention eHarmony in an earlier post ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM |

...and now the touchy feely blog police show up. Ever notice how anytime anyone gets into it or says anything derogatory on this blog hessy shows with his self righteousness? Give it a rest and let the men have their "discussions" okay little girl?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse
hahahahahahahahahaha put in your place

Posted by: patljr7 | January 11, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Now, although I think the owners and the union will work things out, what if they don't? Is there an NFL draft if there is no contract? I guess there wouldn't be, would there? What would happen with all of the players coming out of college? UFL? CFL?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:36 AM |

Yes but thats all there is, theres no FA or trades of players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You guys have fun discussing Newton. I'm going fishing...I love being a business owner. Actually thinking about retiring at 36 and just fishing from here on out. What'ya think? Maybe charter or guide.

Anyways...@jm220 Didn't even read your post before I posted mine. Was wondering why you got your panties all waded in your crack...scrolled back through and saw the unlikely coincidence in the statements...sorry dude.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse


scampbell1975

someone C-R-A-N-K-Y ?

funny stuff scamp, I love when you get pissed

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

didn't someone mention eHarmony in an earlier post ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:29 AM |

...and now the touchy feely blog police show up. Ever notice how anytime anyone gets into it or says anything derogatory on this blog hessy shows with his self righteousness? Give it a rest and let the men have their "discussions" okay little girl?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:32 AM
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Okay, so Hessone's the "touchy-feely blog police", so what does this comment make you, the "just-rub-some-dirt-on-it police"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

someone C-R-A-N-K-Y ?

funny stuff scamp, I love when you get pissed

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 11:40 AM |

Not pissed, that usually involves a lot of swearing. Just callin' 'em like I see 'em. Have a great day hessy...you're all right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

: scampbell1975

It's all good.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so Hessone's the "touchy-feely blog police", so what does this comment make you, the "just-rub-some-dirt-on-it police"?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:42 AM

Get Back In There!!!

See ya

HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You guys have fun discussing Newton. I'm going fishing...I love being a business owner. Actually thinking about retiring at 36 and just fishing from here on out. What'ya think? Maybe charter or guide.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 11, 2011 11:40 AM
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I think fishing would stop being fun the moment you made it work.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I'm jealous that you're going fishing, but life on the salt is a young mans game...long hours and hard work....

what are you going after today??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Picking a QB with 10 will be an absolute stupidity. I'll prefer we go Sean Taylor type free safety with pick 10, if such specimen is not available, draft a d-lineman or a line backer, we have no business looking at a QB until round 6 or 7, in other words; a project QB is sufficient for now.

Posted by: abxinc | January 11, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

But Fairley, Absolutely YES!!

Fairley's athletic play suggests he'd make a solid 4-3 defensive tackle or 3-4 defensive end who could slide into a tackle's role.

And we really could use such a player knowing that has he bulked up, he'd become a very athletic NT--kinda how the packers groomed BJ Raji from end to NT.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Newton-NO
Fairley-YES!

Posted by: Badwisky | January 11, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so Hessone's the "touchy-feely blog police"

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:42 AM

I think I'm gonna file a complaint, he 'copped a feel' when he was frisking me, I feel so violated......

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I'm jealous that you're going fishing, but life on the salt is a young mans game...long hours and hard work....

what are you going after today??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 11, 2011 11:48 AM
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Scamp isn't fooling anyone. The only fish he's after today is muff-fish.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Draft Colin Kaepernick QB from Nevada in the 6th or 7th round.

Posted by: unvvr | January 11, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton - NO

Fig Newton - YES

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Scamp isn't fooling anyone. The only fish he's after today is muff-fish.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:58 AM


I'll wait for the part where that's a bad thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

No to Newton. DL at #10 please

Posted by: skinswest | January 11, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mjwies11 | January 11, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Yup, just like I said last night after the game, Dyer's wrist touched the ground and he should have been called down. It was clearly visible on the instant replay. NESN agrees with me.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/auburns-michael-dyers-was-wrist-down-on-title-clinching-37-yard-run.html


Also, an AP photograph shows that his ankle touched the ground, too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-photo-that-proves-auburns-michael-dyer-was-down-2011-1

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse


: scampbell1975

It's all good.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 11:44 AM |

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all systems go !

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

TheCork TALKS ABOUT REDSKINS ON RADIO.

Hey a lot of you who HATE reading my twaddle here and think this guy is probably so ugly he has a Face for Radio,"well, you may be right.

And how often do we get to hear what one of us sounds like?

ANYHOO I will be on an Internet radio show talking about our beloved Redskins and other disappointments TONIGHT at 9:30 PM EST.

You might as well listen, the only thing on TV is "V" and, come one, don'you know by now they are LIZARDS!

HERE'S THE LINK:


http://www.cleveland.com/dsn/index.ssf/2010/11/dsn_video_live_stream.html

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Yup, just like I said last night after the game, Dyer's wrist touched the ground and he should have been called down. It was clearly visible on the instant replay. NESN agrees with me.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/auburns-michael-dyers-was-wrist-down-on-title-clinching-37-yard-run.html


Also, an AP photograph shows that his ankle touched the ground, too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-photo-that-proves-auburns-michael-dyer-was-down-2011-1

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse


This image from ESPN clearly shows that Auburn won:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=310102483

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

And before someone else does, let me add the obligatory:

"WHO CARES?"

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse
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It's knee/elbow/butt, not ankle/wrist. Dems the breaks.

I was just happy it was a decent game; I hate the BCS system, but I hate even worse when that system wastes my Monday evening on some pathetic Big 10/Big 12 team which couldn't beat the top half of the SEC.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to DVR "V" just so I can listen to The Cork on the radio.

There's no way I'm going to pass up an opportunity to hear his insightful views on football, politics and the fact that the American media are all sainted scribes who are "just doing their job."

Book it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Scamp isn't fooling anyone. The only fish he's after today is muff-fish.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 11:58 AM

I'll wait for the part where that's a bad thing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 12:01 PM
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Ain't nothing bad about that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Just Wow....

People over here lumping Jason Campbell with Cam Newton.

I'm always called names up here, but that's because the blog's intelligence is far inferior.

Jason Campbell played for Tommy Tuberville.

Cam Newton played for Gene Chizik.

DIFFERENT SYSTEMS MoFos

GTFOH with this B.S. If MoFo Tim Tebow can be drafted in the 1st round with his non-NFL throwing arm, WTF can't Cam go in the top 10?

And then y'all bamas lumping him with Jamarcus Russel? COME ON MAAAN! They don't even compare....unless all you bamas do is look at skin color.....which seems to be the case, in my humble opinion.

I understand if you don't want him, but STOP trying to bring the brotha down. Cuz he did win the MoFo Heisman and won the Championship. And this MoFo got waaay more intangibles the Holy Tim Tebow.

SMMFH at these bammas who are dominating the blog today.

"We Have no INTELLIGENCE!" (TEAM America)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Cork, INTERNET radio?! Are you kiddin'? Dude, that's HUGE! The Internet goes, like, EVERYWHERE!


What? Anyone can have an Internet radio station? Oh.


(j/k)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The thing that bothers me about the Dyer play is that even if he wasn't down, the refs call him down 90% of the time anyway. And if a defender jumps on the play, chances are he'd get a late hit penalty.

To me, it seems like the best solution is to say the players forward momentum had been stopped and call it down.

Still, Auburn played better than Oregon, they deserved the win.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

As for the Skins picking Cam Newton, absolutely not.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should avoid Cam Cheating like the plague. A player who will violate the basic honor code as a student doesn't have the moral integrity to represent any professional football team (except the Eagles). There is no way any educational institution with a hint of integrity would have allowed such a dishonest student to represent them unless that institution doesn't believe in honesty and hard work.

The Redskins don't need such a questionable character on their team. We are trying to get rid of some already.

Posted by: laserwizard | January 11, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I think we should ask draft expert Mel Kiper. He was sure Jimmy Clausen should go in the first round.

Posted by: rodskin | January 11, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: laserwizard | January 11, 2011 12:40 PM

Are you saying you never, ever cheated in school? Not once?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Just Wow....

People over here lumping Jason Campbell with Cam Newton.

I'm always called names up here, but that's because the blog's intelligence is far inferior.

Jason Campbell played for Tommy Tuberville.

Cam Newton played for Gene Chizik.

DIFFERENT SYSTEMS MoFos

GTFOH with this B.S. If MoFo Tim Tebow can be drafted in the 1st round with his non-NFL throwing arm, WTF can't Cam go in the top 10?

And then y'all bamas lumping him with Jamarcus Russel? COME ON MAAAN! They don't even compare....unless all you bamas do is look at skin color.....which seems to be the case, in my humble opinion.

I understand if you don't want him, but STOP trying to bring the brotha down. Cuz he did win the MoFo Heisman and won the Championship. And this MoFo got waaay more intangibles the Holy Tim Tebow.

SMMFH at these bammas who are dominating the blog today.

"We Have no INTELLIGENCE!" (TEAM America)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 12:34 PM
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It was the third "Mofo" that really convinced me that you had a point... not. I don't care about his skin color at all, but the evidence is out there that the guy has no pocket presence and can't read a defense. Yes, he has all kinds of athletic ability and he is one tough hombre for a quarterback, but that is not enough to get by in the NFL. I wouldn't even take him as a developmental prospect because the "pocket presnce" deficiency is something you cannot coach out of him. Sorry. I wish I could say more positive things about the Mofo, but I can't.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rodskin


I think we should ask draft expert Mel Kiper. He was sure Jimmy Clausen should go in the first round.


LOL!

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No way. I only hope that the Redskins' "brain trust" won't make still another huge mistake by taking him.

Posted by: nrjlh | January 11, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually monk and I have an internet radio show tonight at 9:30 EST too...Sock Puppet Theatre...featuring special guest star beep-beep...don't miss it!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead

Wow just wow! Did you watch the game last night? I guess his second touchdown when he side step the defender wasn't pocket presnce"

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually monk and I have an internet radio show tonight at 9:30 EST too...Sock Puppet Theatre...featuring special guest star beep-beep...don't miss it!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 12:50 PM
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Did somebody say "V" was on tonight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

He's a dynamic talent, but I wouldn't want that guy on my team AT ALL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 11, 2011 8:07 AM

Yeah he's a mouthy little sh*t and I'm glad he's not a Redskin. He made some snotty remarks when DM5 was traded to us and while I'm not a huge DM5 fan if he deserved respect anywhere it was in the City of Brotherly a holes.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

You guys are nuts. I don't care if he's mouthy- SUCH a unique quality in a WR- the guy is one of the most talented and dangerous weapons in the game today. I don't like his attitude, but you know what I DO like? 23 yds/catch, All-Pro punt returner.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It's knee/elbow/butt, not ankle/wrist.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 11, 2011 12:33 PM


Sorry, but you are incorrect.

NCAA Football 2009-10 Rules and Interpretations, page FR-79, rule 4-1-3-b:

A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead:

b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot.


His wrist, not his hand, clearly touches the ground on the replay. I've seen two games in the past two weeks where the replay official ruled a player down when the identical thing happened.

Auburn probably would have at least gotten into FG position anyway, and I don't care so much about the outcome of the game, but facts are facts and the replay official blew the call.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

NO

Posted by: WRBD | January 11, 2011 10:13 AM
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WONDER if RACE was a factor in that response. Wonder is he was white would all the comments be flipped. My guess is YES

Posted by: skinsinsider | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, by all means draft Newton. The Redskins have no other needs. They're only a rookie QB away from going undefeated and winning 4 consecutive Super Bowls.

Who thinks up these questions, Dan Snyder?

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | January 11, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

No way, trade the first pick for Vick. Haha!

Posted by: ozpunk | January 11, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, positively NO.
Skins with the #10 pick, and a roster full of inadequate players.

Solution:
Trade down.
About three times!!!

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 11, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes but that requires context. Cam is a talent worth selecting in the first round IF the team drafting him sits him and gets him to be proficient in terms of the offensive scheme, progressions and all other aspects of the QB position at the pro level. As far as the 'Skins, I wouldn't be upset if they chose Newton but we all need to know that he may not be there at 10.

The player that made millions last night was Fairley.

Fairley reminds me of a Warren Sapp in the body of an Albert Haynesworth. That said, could Fairley be another Haney? It's widely known that Fairley took plays off A LOT last year. Hayney did the same once he knew he'd be a highly sought after pro.

The more I think about it, the more I want a guy to play next year in front of Orakpo.

But that's just me.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually monk and I have an internet radio show tonight at 9:30 EST too...Sock Puppet Theatre...featuring special guest star beep-beep...don't miss it!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 12:50 PM
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Did somebody say "V" was on tonight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Shoot, we've got a cancelation tonight PlayAction. Beep's busy schedule of running the blog and flipping fries means he can't be with us tonight, but I've just scheduled RedSkinHead in his place. I hope you've been working on our dance routine, we don't want any f*ck-ups like at rehearsal!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Can't see taking Cam in the first round.

He is way too far behind the development curve to be a first round pick. He often looks flat footed, comes out of a spread-option system, and he leaves his feet far too often when he is throwing the ball, often resulting in a poor throw. Reminds me a little of Tarvaris Jackson on the Vikings - who still looks more like a prospect than a starter after how many years?

Cam looks like a good mid rounder if you already have a starting QB and are looking for a project with some upside. Imagine him sitting behind Breese for a few years...

Would rather see dominant, game-changing DL/LB/CB in first round (or 1st and 2nd). Then focus on OL.

Posted by: edvar | January 11, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

No way, trade the first pick for Vick.

Vick is due a big pay day, I'd say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead

Wow just wow! Did you watch the game last night? I guess his second touchdown when he side step the defender wasn't pocket presnce"

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 12:53 PM
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There's a difference between seeing what is in front of you and what is happening on the fringes of your peripheral vision. That was a great athletic move, but it doesn't have anything to do with pocket presence. Incidentally, JC wasn't very good at sensing when things were collapsing on him either. McNabb has great pocket presence - better than Grossman - but unfortunately McNabb's other deficiencies cost him the starting job.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

NO

Posted by: WRBD | January 11, 2011 10:13 AM
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WONDER if RACE was a factor in that response. Wonder is he was white would all the comments be flipped. My guess is YES

Posted by: skinsinsider | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM |

Wonder? That means you don't know. And, if you don't know, that means you WANT this to be about race.

Are you still pissed because Forest Gump went straight MMA at your Black Panther party and you didn't do a thing?


Yes, I know the guy he housed was white. But he was their boy.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

You assume he'd be just as good here as he is in Philly. You have to keep in mind what that offense does. They run that deep pass down the sideline 6-7 times a game. It's the same offense that put Kevin freaking Curtis over 1,000 yards in a season. It also put McNabb in the pro bowl a bunch of times even though he throws every third pass into the dirt.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually monk and I have an internet radio show tonight at 9:30 EST too...Sock Puppet Theatre...featuring special guest star beep-beep...don't miss it!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 12:50 PM
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Did somebody say "V" was on tonight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Shoot, we've got a cancelation tonight PlayAction. Beep's busy schedule of running the blog and flipping fries means he can't be with us tonight, but I've just scheduled RedSkinHead in his place. I hope you've been working on our dance routine, we don't want any f*ck-ups like at rehearsal!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 12:58 PM
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Why don't you have Vinny Cerrato on instead? His song and dance routine helped him keep his job long after most guys would have been fired. Incidentally, did someone say "V" was on tonight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

No way, trade the first pick for Vick.


Vick is due a big pay day, I'd say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 12:59 PM


Let's see whether or not the new regime continues to pay players big money for what they've done elsewhere rather than what they're going to do in a Skins uni.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

NO to a Qb in the first round. I would much rather go after Kyle Orton to run our offense for 2-3 years and draft someone later to develop.

As for the first round pick, if trading down isnt an option, then you have to take the player who will contribute right away ( either a CB or DL or a pass rushing LB, for OL is not an option that high)

Obviously free agency, whenever it may begin, will be where will plug a lot of our holes, ala the OL and possibly a receiver and a safety...geez we need alot!

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | January 11, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Is Cam worth a 1st round pick? I say yes. Is he worth a top 20 pick, no. That said, I think solid value for Cam would be late 1st to early 2nd round. It's foolish to let one game cloud a season's worth of tape. If I'm a team that can wait on the development of a young qb, and has had success with developing qbs (Philly) Cam's well worth the investment of a late first, early second round pick. His footwork needs work, and he'll have to work at learning a pro offense, but his decision making looked solid (I recall one bade read last night), and he's got NFL size, arm, etc...

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Newton has "Jamarcus Russell" stamped all over him.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | January 11, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Before I come off as a Cam-basher, I should add that I think he has a ton of upside, but that I think he is too raw right now to be a #1 pick (unless you have a situation where he can sit for a year or two). Most first round QB's are expected to start the first year - or definitely the second year and be in the playoffs by season 2 or 3. He just doesn't look that prepared yet to me.

He's an exciting player with a couple of question marks. Given the Skins situation, I don't think he is a wise choice. If things had gone better with McNabb, and it looked like maybe we had 2-3 more years in him, then yes.

Posted by: edvar | January 11, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I say no to Newton. Here are my concerns:

1) He runs a spread offense. This does not translate well to the NFL, pro style offense.

2) While he was certainly efficient passing the ball, he only had 280 attempts this year. With 14 games, that works out to 20 per game. Not many passes to truly evaluate the guy on. Interestingly, he actually ran the ball 264 times this year.

Ultimately, at #10 or any where in the first round, he is way too risky for a franchise trying to rebuild. We need to get a foundation in place (OL/DL) and work our way out. I agree Rex isn't the answer, but we are not just a QB away from being a solid team (see other positions such as WR, LG, RG, C, NT, DE, OLB, MLB). Plus, with Luck staying in for another season, I agree with Moe that next year's QB draft will be outstanding. A guy like Luck will probably be closer to a Sam Bradford type and may be able to step in and take over immediately.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | January 11, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 11, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

You assume he'd be just as good here as he is in Philly. You have to keep in mind what that offense does. They run that deep pass down the sideline 6-7 times a game. It's the same offense that put Kevin freaking Curtis over 1,000 yards in a season. It also put McNabb in the pro bowl a bunch of times even though he throws every third pass into the dirt.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

No, actually it just assumes that he would give us more than what DT12 and MK11 have given us, which is to say nothing. To deny that we royally screwed the pooch in the 2008 2nd round is about as sensible as denying that the sky is blue, that Tom Brady is awesome or that his wife is smoking hot. How is this even up for debate?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 11, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

(unless you have a situation where he can sit for a year or two).

Edvar this is the key to me. Does anyone think the Skins are going to playoff next year? My answer is no and they are at least two to three years away. Why not get a young good guy in let him sit learn the system as you fix the o and d line as well as other needs. So when they are fix you have a young QB that knows the system and ready to step in.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah he's a mouthy little sh*t and I'm glad he's not a Redskin. He made some snotty remarks when DM5 was traded to us and while I'm not a huge DM5 fan if he deserved respect anywhere it was in the City of Brotherly a holes.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

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Are you talking about DeSean Jackson?

If so, I agree. We have a good young punt returner in Brandon Banks.

At WR, Jackson can run the go-route and that's about it.

I wouldn't want him on my team because he's a gutless wonder who consistently dives into the turf to avoid contact. I've never seen anyone so fearful of contact since Deion Sanders played. Only Andy Reid would tolerate a player like that on his roster.

But I'd love to Jackson on my flag-football team.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the skins' fan base and ownership does not have the patience to draft a QB who needs to sit for 2 years.

I wish Cam well, but not here. He will bust if he comes to DC.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Newton has "Jamarcus Russell" stamped all over him.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | January 11, 2011 1:15 PM |

You clearly don't watch college football - or didn't this year.

Newton has the prototypical size, speed and arm. He is also light years ahead of Jamucus Guzzle between the ears. Purple Drank had no pressure or spotlight on him at all in his championship season at LSU. Newton has been under a microscope all year and performed.

You like Joe Webb in the little bit we saw of him a couple weeks ago? He's a Cam Newton "Light" with A LOT LESS TALENT.

I'm not in the tank for Newton, but in a couple years, he's going to be a stud.

Trust me, the Skins have PLENTY to keep themselves busy in terms of adding talented personnel while Newton learns - if they decide to go that route.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Why on Earth would Cam Newton come here, after seeing what happen to the last two Black quarterbacks.

Posted by: t-one | January 11, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

alan4

Let's see whether or not the new regime continues to pay players big money for what they've done elsewhere rather than what they're going to do in a Skins' uni.


I mean the eagles have the payday concern, not us.

And knowing how the eagles work, you have to wonder if they pass on re-signing Vick figuring K Kolb will produce on the cheap.

And I don't think the redskin FO will give Vick a sniff.

But I been wrong before--I sh!t crow daily in this place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Newton has "Jamarcus Russell" stamped all over him.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | January 11, 2011 1:15 PM |

If the glass is half empty. If the glass is half full then "Josh Freeman" (check out the pre-draft write ups) would be the stamp. The biggest negative to Cam is starting experience, which a few years on the bench may solve.

Posted by: TWISI | January 11, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned signing Alex Smith in FA.

I am actually all for that. I think he could thrive in Shanahan's system.

Why not take the risk? He will cost next to nothing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton had Tim Tebow stamped all over him.

I don't know if its good or bad.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I hope you've been working on our dance routine, we don't want any f*ck-ups like at rehearsal!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 12:58 PM

What time is this must see event? Hope Diesel will watch and give us an executive summary. It would be nice to find out which one is the sock puppet and which one is the sock puppeteer.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

No, actually it just assumes that he would give us more than what DT12 and MK11 have given us, which is to say nothing. To deny that we royally screwed the pooch in the 2008 2nd round is about as sensible as denying that the sky is blue, that Tom Brady is awesome or that his wife is smoking hot. How is this even up for debate?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 11, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Because our team and coaching staff sucked and it wouldn't be the first time someone sucked here and turned out to be pretty good somewhere else?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned signing Alex Smith in FA.

I am actually all for that. I think he could thrive in Shanahan's system.

Why not take the risk? He will cost next to nothing.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah that is the ticket. Go after someone that has proven he suck instead of a young talent to develope

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes and we better take him at 10...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 11, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Plus I think Alex Smith, much like Jason Campbell could use a change of scenery.

I would be very happy to see him in DC.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm not in the tank for Newton, but in a couple years, he's going to be a stud.

Black Quarterback Selection of the Day:

pick'em

a. Cam Newton

b. Terrelle Pryor

Again, Moe rolls with B T Pryor as he has the same arm, legs, and issues as Newton.

Thing is, the Buckeyes v. 'Razorbacks contest showed Pryor to be the more effircient quarterback has his fumdamentals were way more solid than Cam's.

Both players should return to school, IMO.

But could you imagine the NFL war room debating Locker, Newton, Pryor, and Mallet this Spring?

You'd be in RI with less knowledgable people.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Why on Earth would Cam Newton come here, after seeing what happen to the last two Black quarterbacks.

Posted by: t-one | January 11, 2011 1:24 PM

Because they were treated better than the white quarterbacks.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned signing Alex Smith in FA.

I am actually all for that. I think he could thrive in Shanahan's system.

Why not take the risk? He will cost next to nothing.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah that is the ticket. Go after someone that has proven he suck instead of a young talent to develope

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

How you know he suck?

I mean, he be changing coaches on the regular.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that is the ticket. Go after someone that has proven he suck instead of a young talent to develope

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Alex Smith couldn't hit the broadside of a barn standing in it with the doors closed. Let's face it this team is rebuilding. We may as well tryout a young QB. It would take a miracle to get this crap bucket team into the playoffs next year anyway.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:
"Pryor to be the more effircient quarterback has his fumdamentals were way more solid than Cam's..."


Hasn't Sexy Rexy already shown he has more "fumdamentals" than just about anyone?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

My head is not clear today.

Sorry 'bout the poor grammar:

You'd be in RI with less knowledgable people.


Correction:

You'd be in RI with people who are have more knowledge than NFL scouts.

That's correct grammatically and wrong in every sense.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It was the third "Mofo" that really convinced me that you had a point... not. I don't care about his skin color at all, but the evidence is out there that the guy has no pocket presence and can't read a defense. Yes, he has all kinds of athletic ability and he is one tough hombre for a quarterback, but that is not enough to get by in the NFL. I wouldn't even take him as a developmental prospect because the "pocket presnce" deficiency is something you cannot coach out of him. Sorry. I wish I could say more positive things about the Mofo, but I can't.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 12:49 PM
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DUDE....Did you NOT see him side step a blitzer and step up INTO the pocket last night to hit his WR going down the sideline for a touchdown?!!?!?!?!!?!?

And where do you get the notion 'He can't read a defense????? He runs what the coaches tell him to run....and the coaches tell him to look at 2 options and if you don't have anything, then run. And he does what he is told like a good soldier.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Incidentally, JC wasn't very good at sensing when things were collapsing on him either. McNabb has great pocket presence - better than Grossman - but unfortunately McNabb's other deficiencies cost him the starting job.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 1:00 PM

And PLEASE tell me what McNabb and JC have to do with Cam, other than color????? None of the 3 can even compare with each other.

JC and Cam MAY have went to the same college and went undefeated, but is was under 2 different coaches with 2 different offenses.

And then you give McNabb a complament, then put the 'but' right after it.....The only thing that cost McNabb his job is that he was older than his coordinator and had his own opinions how Shanny Jr's offense should be tweeked......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Go after someone that has proven he suck instead of a young talent to develope

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:34 PM

It isn't either/or. We need four qb's entering training camp. We have two. We will draft one and we will sign a free agent.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I mean, he be changing coaches on the regular.

Posted by: iH8dallas

The same could be said about Campbell but eveyone wants to say he sucks. If that is the rule for Cambel then it is the same for Smith.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to find out which one is the sock puppet and which one is the sock puppeteer.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 1:32 PM

I know...I'd like to find that out too!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

You can't post anything up here without someone getting their bloomers in a bunch.

Everyone change your Kotex before the Toxic shock syndrome takes hold.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

Do you really think Cam would actually have the opportunity here to sit until he's ready?

Keep in mind that he will be sitting behind Rex Grossman.

Could the fan base and Mr Snyder sit and watch back to back 6-10 seasons while a Heismann winning top 10 pick sits on the sidelines and watches?

Would the Shanahans last long enough to see him play or would they be fired in favor of a coach who would unleash Cam before he was ready?

It's easy to say 'yes' now, but it won't be so easy when your sitting in the middle of yet another lost season in 2012.

The truth is, with Luck staying in school, there aren't any QB's worth taking that high in the draft.

Mallet, Gabbart and Locker all question marks, just like Cam.

I'm not saying Cam won't succeed, just that he won't succeed here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you have Vinny Cerrato on instead? His song and dance routine helped him keep his job long after most guys would have been fired. Incidentally, did someone say "V" was on tonight?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

No way dude, Vinny's a jinx. We wanna try and put this sock puppet act on the road

Come on man, you can record "V" and still come on our show. How about if PlayAction gives you a blumpkin?

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ih8 don't think your sneaky grammar jab when unnoticed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Alex Smith over Toxic Shock Syndrome.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It's funny you mention Cerrato and radio. He is a regular on radio up here on 1050 AM in New York.

It amazes me that anyone would PAY that doofus a salary to give his opinions on football.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

How about if PlayAction gives you a blumpkin?

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 1:48 PM

Lol...wtf monk!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Original_etrod

Sooner or later we got to realize and accept that this team needs to rebuild with younger players. Deal with a couple of 6-10 seasons. I don't if Cam will be great here or not. But I rather deal with young team learning and going 6-10 than an old team and trading draft picks and going 6-10 like we have been doing.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Alex Smith over Toxic Shock Syndrome.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Toxic Shock Syndrome is a great name for a band.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

ih8 don't think your sneaky grammar jab when unnoticed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse
haha

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Second that, JM but I just don't think this is the year for a QB. At least not in the 1st round.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM

It sure is if your purpose is to avoid the female groupie thing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 11, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Give me Gabbert or Newton, or give me Death."

4thFloor
1/11/11

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 9:47 AM

Death is still going to be around in the fifth round.

And Blake Gabbert IS JaMarcus Russell.

Give me a first round OLB/DE or give me a break!

1/11/11
dcsween

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Newton would be the worst way to use our first pick. He reminds me a little of ben roethlisberger minus all the raping. I love the way he shook off that defender and stepped up to make the TD throw.

Posted by: mack1 | January 11, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Give me Gabbert or Newton, or give me Death."

4thFloor
1/11/11

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 9:47 AM

Death is still going to be around in the fifth round.

And Blake Gabbert IS JaMarcus Russell.

Give me a first round OLB/DE or give me a break!

1/11/11
dcsween

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

You'd be in RI with less knowledgable people.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 1:35 PM |

I can't make myself grasp that possibility.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Toxic Shock Syndrome is a great name for a band.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM

So much more imaginative than some of those early band names: Glenn Miller Band, Tommy Dorsey Band, Les Brown and the Band of Renown. Makes you wonder how they ever sold records with those kind of names.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I mentioned earlier Skins should trade down....
three times.

Imagine if they could trade from:
10 to say 17
Then 17 to 24
Then 24 to 31

Please, those numbers are merely examples but wouldn't you rather be selecting at #31
and also have the additional selections those trades would bring you?

This roster's depth is non-existent; they really need to work hard at doing something like this instead of making a big offseason FA splash.

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 11, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

original_etrod

...all question marks...

Every year, the scouts and hand-wringers all find some trifling weakness in a kid that proves totally off-base.

Adrian Petersen--weak shoulder

Sam Bradford--brittle

Colt McCoy--weak arm

Dan Marino--druggie

Tim Tebow--weird throwing motion

mistamoe--intellectually impotent, no skill, lacking style and finesse


...and then, there are the guys they cite as unique and great who bomb:

Matt Leinhart--NFL READY (NOT!)

Aaron Maybin--his bust will be seen in buffalo 16 Sundays next season

Vince Young--a whiner or winner

Curtis Enis--a powerback with the kind of speed needed to get put out of the league quickly

And of course, all but one of these prophecies were borne out.

Especially the one about the impotent playa lacking smart, skill, style, and finesse.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

ABSOLUTELY, and then the next time the Skins have a FIRST ROUND PICK they should use it in their NOSE!

Jason, you still being paid?

Posted by: burro2 | January 11, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Second that, JM but I just don't think this is the year for a QB. At least not in the 1st round.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 1:57 PM

I diddo this. Too much hit/miss risk with early round QBs b/c of the spread offenses they run in college. [Unless the QB is the FIRST guy taken ... maybe named Stafford, Bradford, or maybe Sanchez.]

Also, I think someone explained that there WOULD be a draft ... but can draft picks sign before there is a CBA in place? What about free agency? Does it start at the end of the league year? Which comes first this year?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Toxic Shock Syndrome is a great name for a band.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 1:53 PM

So much more imaginative than some of those early band names: Glenn Miller Band, Tommy Dorsey Band, Les Brown and the Band of Renown. Makes you wonder how they ever sold records with those kind of names.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:04 PM |

If this blog were a band, I would suggest 'Downs Syndrome'.

Maybe, 'Corky's Fat Tongue.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

No.

And if I were ALLEN I would draft 1 - offense, and 2 - defense or flip-flop the picks depending on what's out there. BTW is there going to be a draft? Doesn't the agreement expire March 3? Just askin'..

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 11, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsween have you watch sanchez? I am here in Jerz and trust me when I say they have to keep the gloves on this guy. Every time they take it off and go away from a run heavy offense. He shows how average at best he is.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I asked twitted/FB'd to a couple of Redskins Beat Reporters, their thoughts on Gabbert.....and they almost all said that he won't be there by the time the Redskins draft @ #10.

Not saying he will/won't be there.....but he will be taken very high....for the very reason etrod speaks of....lack of 1st round qaulity depth QBs....there will be alot of bust...but I'm def believing in those 2 (Cam and Blaine).

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I disagree that McCoy has a weak arm. I admit that Cleveland called a lot of move the chains short passes this year, but the guy was super accurate and fast on those short/mid-range passes. [McNabb was fast, but not accurate, on those same passes.] The little fella did get a few deep ones and he was more accurate than, for example, Charlie Whitehurst. I figure that McCoy is going to be the redemption of short QBs.

That said, I still think the Skins should go for Kaepernick and stick with tall, fast, and accurate.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Come on man, you can record "V" and still come on our show. How about if PlayAction gives you a blumpkin?


I think he's holding out for a sock job.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Vinny says, "Yes!"

Of course, Vinny also says Ochocinco is worth TWO first-round picks... ditto Jay Cutler.

Seriously though, there are a lot of teams looking for QBs this year. Someone will take Newton in the first round.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

but can draft picks sign before there is a CBA in place? What about free agency? Does it start at the end of the league year? Which comes first this year?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:08 PM

You can draft, but not sign.

Good chance that, if there is no CBA by the draft....the draft comes 1st, the FA and trading once the ink is dried on a new agreement....and you can't sign the rookies until the new CBA is done.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse


This roster's depth is non-existent; they really need to work hard at doing something like this instead of making a big offseason FA splash.

HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 11, 2011 2:05 PM |

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agree, more is better ray

HTTR!

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

So much more imaginative than some of those early band names: Glenn Miller Band, Tommy Dorsey Band, Les Brown and the Band of Renown. Makes you wonder how they ever sold records with those kind of names.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Those bands were around before we started keeping records.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

jm220, that's why he gets a maybe ... for all his promised hope and salvation, the few flashes he had at being good do not offset his apparent tendency to freak out and quit. Sanchez was going to have been Snyder's guy ... which would mean he would have been OUR nightmare (b/c Skins don't have the Jets' O-line).

I want to see a QB in a Pro Game first before tossing the kind of money that first round QBs get. Frankly, I'd take Joe Webb over ANY of the first round choices (is Mallett considered first round?). Maybe its just USC QBs that cannot be trusted.

4th, I hear ya but we just have to agree to disagree on that guy. Where you say Future, I say Flabbert. If he works out with some team (any team), then you can say 1/11/11 and get cred. Till then, Flabbert.

I want this season's Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews (but not, for example, Rey Maluaga ... so you guys can figure out how the first two jammed when Rey just got jammed).

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope you've been working on our dance routine, we don't want any f*ck-ups like at rehearsal!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 12:58 PM

What time is this must see event? Hope Diesel will watch and give us an executive summary. It would be nice to find out which one is the sock puppet and which one is the sock puppeteer.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, great mystery isn't it? Kinda like with your 'guy friend' if you're the 'pitcher' or 'catcher'!

Posted by: monk811 | January 11, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Those bands were around before we started keeping records.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:21 PM

beep beep used to go to record stores with Thomas Edison. Ask about his awesome collection of 78s and 8-track tapes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I want this season's Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews (but not, for example, Rey Maluaga ... so you guys can figure out how the first two jammed when Rey just got jammed).

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Psst, they're called steroids. Those two will be like Shawn Merriman. They'll be world beaters until their first positive test. O my how did Cushing do this year...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

(unless you have a situation where he can sit for a year or two).

Edvar this is the key to me. Does anyone think the Skins are going to playoff next year? My answer is no and they are at least two to three years away. Why not get a young good guy in let him sit learn the system as you fix the o and d line as well as other needs. So when they are fix you have a young QB that knows the system and ready to step in.

Posted by: jm220 | January 11, 2011 1:22 PM

Because we don't have a starting QB to speak of. Under that scenario, if we draft a QB at #1, then he better play sooner than later and that would be a mess. Who would Cam study under for 2-3 years?

We have too many needs. Especially on D.

I would rather see a game changer taken with our first, than a prospect.

Posted by: edvar | January 11, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How about if PlayAction gives you a blumpkin?

Posted by: wireman65 | January 11, 2011 2:14 PM

I gotta say that this is one I don't know and I'm guessing I probably don't wanna know. Is this like Blumpkin Donuts?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

beep beep used to go to record stores with Thomas Edison.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:28 PM

The RCA dog was in fact one of beep's pets as a child...no sh!t.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

beep beep used to go to record stores with Thomas Edison. Ask about his awesome collection of 78s and 8-track tapes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:28 PM

Stopped buying records when they started selling 45's. They cost more, were much smaller, and only went around about half as fast. The government should have clamped down on this price gouging.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - Pryor is not a NFL QB. No comparrison at all to Cam.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

beep beep used to go to record stores with Thomas Edison. Ask about his awesome collection of 78s and 8-track tapes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Edison in the first round?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Only one kid last night played deserving of a first round picks. And we didn't suck enough this year to pick up that big boy.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 11, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't want him on my team because he's a gutless wonder who consistently dives into the turf to avoid contact. I've never seen anyone so fearful of contact since Deion Sanders played. Only Andy Reid would tolerate a player like that on his roster."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 1:22 PM

Well, I would certainly want DeSean Jackson on my team, and I'm betting that there isn't a single coach in the NFL who wouldn't agree with me. That's because the guy makes explosive plays as well as anybody in the league and scores touchdowns, and those things are what win games in today's NFL. I don't care if he's mouthy (seemingly an occupational requirement for receivers these days) and I don't care if he avoids contact like the plague. In fact, given his size and concussion issues, that's probably a smart thing to do.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 11, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Admittedly, yesterday was the first game I saw of newton; he didn't look worthy of the 10th pick to me.

Is he worth a first rounder? Probably. I'd take him mid to late first. He beautiful thing about the redskins current position is that, should we resign Rex, we have perfect placeholder that runs the system the way it was designed for any QB we bring in to be successful in learning behind. We've also got a young and developing line that will only get better next year, and will eventually become a very good line.

We still need to find our QB first and foremost. Hopefully one of Newton, Locker, Mallet, or Gabbert will pique the interest of Shanahan enough to earn the shot at becoming "their" QB. This game could possibly allow the skins to trade back and still get their man later in the first.

Posted by: psps23 | January 11, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Stopped buying records when they started selling 45's. They cost more, were much smaller, and only went around about half as fast. The government should have clamped down on this price gouging.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and that had that huge hole in the middle! Wouldn't fit on the wind-up phonograph.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse


ahh c'mon now,

beep beep still has a hand crank phono player

still playin mitch miller beep ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who we take in the 1st round.

I'll root for them to succeed.

None of us can control it anyway.

I trust Shanny/Allen will make the right choice. All I can go from is what was drafted in the first round last year.

I don't think anyone is complaining about Silverback.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Edison in the first round?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse


Only if Nikola Tesla doesn't declare.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Stopped buying records when they started selling 45's. They cost more, were much smaller, and only went around about half as fast. The government should have clamped down on this price gouging.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It's a smart move to not get caught up in all that new-fangled high-technology stuff. Stick with basics, right beep-beep?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

I agree with you about McCoy--dude is good and the brownies lucked into someone who can play.

My point was that every year, folks find some weakness/strenght in a kid in the draft that does/does not come true.

McCooy, Tebow are exampkes of guys folks thought would fail in the NFL.

Now it appears they won't.

The draft is a crap shoot--but smart teams keep shooting in guys they feel might come up 7.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"This roster's depth is non-existent; they really need to work hard at doing something like this instead of making a big offseason FA splash."

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 11, 2011 2:05 PM

The reality is that they're going to have to use both the draft AND free agency to address the depth issue and their weaknesses among the starting 22.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 11, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse


What's up with the ads on this page? They're pushing all the articles to the bottom...

Posted by: Hatfield223 | January 11, 2011 1:04 PM |

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got this post from caps insider. same thing happens to the pages I view here. anyone else having this problem ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

my writing is really bad today.

i QUIT

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and he would be a starter, those young legs, quickness, he'll learn as he goes.

I would definitely do it, along with some beefy offensive linemen.

Posted by: weaverf | January 11, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure the question is should we draft Newton. Better than that question is, should we draft a QB?

By adding a rookie qb behind this line we can be sure he will not reach his potential. I think i'd rather see them fore go a splashy Qb pick and trade down.

Get a slew of sturdy lineman on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Then bring him in after the line has had a chance to gell.

To use a house analogy, sure I'd love to have a 12 person hot tub in my master bathroom. But I think it'd be best to at least lay the foundation bricks before I bring the hot tub to the construction site.

With all the work going on my hot tub is likely to get dinged up before I ever get to install it.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 11, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This kid is going to be good in the NFL as a QB if he is hungry and continues to play with a chip on his shoulder. That said, I don't think we should pick him with the 10th pick.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 11, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This kid is going to be good in the NFL as a QB if he is hungry and continues to play with a chip on his shoulder. That said, I don't think we should pick him with the 10th pick.

Posted by: dc202jp | January 11, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the ads on this page? They're pushing all the articles to the bottom...

Posted by: Hatfield223 | January 11, 2011 1:04 PM |

got this post from caps insider. same thing happens to the pages I view here. anyone else having this problem ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:47 PM

Caps Insider has articles?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan, Cushing will be back ... he hasn't gotten all pale and skinny like Merriman did. Also, it doesn't explain how Clay Mathews Jr. could have avoided the same drug test.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse


The reality is that they're going to have to use both the draft AND free agency to address the depth issue and their weaknesses among the starting 22.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 11, 2011 2:47 PM |

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rufus, seems to me that's a win-now and not a rebuild. I'm all for win now, it just doesn't seem to happen for this franchise

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

No chance we take Newton @ #10. We have too many needs to take an athletic project of a QB that might be ready in 2 YRS.

Fairley was easily the best player on the field last night and is in the discussion with Green and Bowers to go #1 overall.

The guy I like is a guy that has a 95+ MPH fastball, has thrown for more than 10,000 YDs, and has rushed for over 4,000 YDs. He's 6'6 and might be available in the 5th RD. His name is Colin Kaepernick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Maluga had a pretty good year, we could have used him on our LB corps. Granted not where he was drafted but its not like he has been bad so far...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 11, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Cork, INTERNET radio?! Are you kiddin'? Dude, that's HUGE! The Internet goes, like, EVERYWHERE!


What? Anyone can have an Internet radio station? Oh.


(j/k)

Posted by: freakzilla |


Other little known facts about the Interweb:

Al Gore invented it.

That's all I got.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I missed the game last night but I still say no because the Skins have too many other bleeping holes to fill to go after another Auburn QB who appears to be getting a lot of press and producing little. It's always about the supporting cast. It doesn't matter who the Skins' draft if they don't surround him with support/protection. It's apparent that sexy Rexy isn't the long term answer, but, with the proper supporting cast, he could play an important role in making us respectable again. That's my take on that question. No!, No! and No! again. Hail!!

Posted by: norsad | January 11, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's a smart move to not get caught up in all that new-fangled high-technology stuff. Stick with basics, right beep-beep?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 2:44 PM

"new-fangled technology"? Are you Amish?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Only one QB in the history of the modern game has succeeded at the pro level while coming out early and thats Ben Rothelisberger. I don't trust a guy with 1 year of FBS experience in a spread system being capable of making the jump to elite pro QB.

If we like him that much then lets pick him up in free agency two or three years from now after he bust with the team that drafts him.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 11, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

rufus, seems to me that's a win-now and not a rebuild. I'm all for win now, it just doesn't seem to happen for this franchise

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 2:54 PM |

Using FA's does not = win now theres nothing wrong with getting FA's unless you do it the way Vinny did.

You can get young FA's at good rates that fit your system, thats the way the good teams use FA's.

What you don't do is pay 40mil guaranteed for 1 player.

There will be close to 500 FA's this year so instead of signing 1 for 40mil how about we sign 10 young guys who fit the system for 40mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

None of us can control it anyway.

I trust Shanny/Allen will make the right choice. All I can go from is what was drafted in the first round last year.

I don't think anyone is complaining about Silverback.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 2:41 PM

That is stinkin' thinkin' and very un-RI-like. If we will it, it will be so. ["Lenin said that." "I am the walrus?"]

Also, as of the Giants game, I thought they should switch sides with Trent Williams and Jammal Brown. Silverback got pwned by Uminyora repeatedly.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 11, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben played like crap his first 3 years but nobody cared since the Steelers won the super bowl.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, as of the Giants game, I thought they should switch sides with Trent Williams and Jammal Brown. Silverback got pwned by Uminyora repeatedly.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:05 PM |

So does every other LT in the league, he needs the experience.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

There will be close to 500 FA's this year so instead of signing 1 for 40mil how about we sign 10 young guys who fit the system for 40mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 3:05 PM

Do the math. With 500 of them, that's 16 per team. A few of the 16 we sign will be our own guys, but expect to sign 10 or 12 who played for someone else last year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to DVR "V" just so I can listen to The Cork on the radio.

There's no way I'm going to pass up an opportunity to hear his insightful views on football, politics and the fact that the American media are all sainted scribes who are "just doing their job."

Book it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

1. Anyone still watching "V" is a congenital idiot.

2. I only defend the media when it deserves to be defended.

3. Do YOU have a book of essays criticizing TV news? (Yeah I thought so.)

4. NO politics tonight but if the subject comes up, we may discuss Yo Mama.

5. Knowing your short term issues, I'll repost the link.

6. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna try to be charming, funny and self-deprecating, so I have to warn you, it may debuzz your Hate. And please feel free to shout "Yore an idjit" whenever you wish.

http://www.cleveland.com/dsn/index.ssf/2010/11/dsn_video_live_stream.html

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Edison in the first round?

Only if we call Alexander Graham Bell in the second.

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad joke groan.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

One thing we all can be pretty sure of no matter what the skins do is that they will likely be in last place or tied for it again next year.

As long as Manning is with NY, who has the skins mind like the cowboys did a while back, Vick is with the Eagles, need I say more, Romo is with the Cowboys, who the skin can bare split with these days, and the skins keep most of their aged players, they will be looking up from the bottom.

Posted by: keedrow | January 11, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I could never get in to V.

I lost interest after II.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Other little known facts about the Interweb:

Al Gore invented it.

That's all I got.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:00 PM

I know this a common joke, but just because this places craves knowledge, then-Senator Al Gore Jr. WAS the primary advocate for the "information super highway" model that became the internet, as opposed to the "information freight train network" model that the telecomms were advocating. That's as much as I know. I think it had to do with whether the network would be owned in the same way that utility companies own infrastructure, or whether it would grow as a "web" of connected hubs and T1s and such and such (this last part is what I'm filling in and making up).

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I could never get in to V.

I lost interest after II.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"another Auburn QB who appears to be getting a lot of press and producing little"

Yeh as if undefeated seasons were enough this guy has the nerve to win a national championship.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 11, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I could never get in to V.

I lost interest after II.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I could never get in to V.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:14 PM

Vampire blood?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

NO politics tonight but if the subject comes up, we may discuss Yo Mama.

I'm stealing this.

Besides, a lil plagarism can win you a Pulitzer Prize, can't?

At least it did in this newspaper once.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 11, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben played like crap his first 3 years but nobody cared since the Steelers won the super bowl.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about? Big Ben had the most succesful rookie year since Dan Marino going undefeated until the playoffs with a 98 passer rating. Then following up next year with another 98 passer rating while leading his team tot he Super Bowl, where admittingly he sucked, but the fact of the matter is he still got them there. It wasn't until the third year with the motorcycle accident that he played terribly.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 11, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

1. Anyone still watching "V" is a congenital idiot.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM

Heh, heh, heh ... you said genital.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I know this a common joke, but just because this places craves knowledge, then-Senator Al Gore Jr. WAS the primary advocate for the "information super highway" model that became the internet, as opposed to the "information freight train network" model that the telecomms were advocating.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:15 PM

It's common knowledge that if people had honored him as the Father of the Internet then he wouldn't have gone on to cause Global Warming as payback. Now look what we've gotten ourselves into.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Using FA's does not = win now theres nothing wrong with getting FA's unless you do it the way Vinny did.

You can get young FA's at good rates that fit your system, thats the way the good teams use FA's.

What you don't do is pay 40mil guaranteed for 1 player.

There will be close to 500 FA's this year so instead of signing 1 for 40mil how about we sign 10 young guys who fit the system for 40mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree with what you are saying, Flounder. I doubt that we can get 10 tho. We might be able to get 5 or 6 for 40-50mill. And as I understand it, we should have plenty of cap space(assuming there is one) to do that. The key is that they are young enough that we can get 3-5 years from them. And give them enough incentives to still be hungry to go out and play.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 11, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to DVR "V" just so I can listen to The Cork on the radio.

There's no way I'm going to pass up an opportunity to hear his insightful views on football, politics and the fact that the American media are all sainted scribes who are "just doing their job."

Book it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 |

1. Anyone still watching "V" is a congenital idiot.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM
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If all of the "idiots" are watching "V", who is going to listen to your radio show?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

1. Anyone still watching "V" is a congenital idiot.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM

Most of us up here prefer to be referred to as congenial idiots, thank you.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

NO... Not for this team.

We have WAY more needs and should trade down to pick up more draft picks. We can get a QB who needs just a little time to develop for a stop-gap in 2012 and then use a high pick on a QB in 2012 or '13.

Posted by: GiveMeTheBall | January 11, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The guy I like is a guy that has a 95+ MPH fastball, has thrown for more than 10,000 YDs, and has rushed for over 4,000 YDs. He's 6'6 and might be available in the 5th RD. His name is Colin Kaepernick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 2:55 PM

Uh oh. When two RI peeps arrive at the same conclusion, there is a significant risk of "buzz" and buzz tends to igniting "rocketing" up Mel Kiper Jr. big haired draft board ...

Are there any ESPN Insiders up here who have access to the Big Hair's Big Board to see where he puts Kaepernick?

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I know this a common joke, but just because this places craves knowledge, then-Senator Al Gore Jr. WAS the primary advocate for the "information super highway" model that became the internet, as opposed to the "information freight train network" model that the telecomms were advocating.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:15 PM

It's common knowledge that if people had honored him as the Father of the Internet then he wouldn't have gone on to cause Global Warming as payback. Now look what we've gotten ourselves into.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:23 PM
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I wonder how the people in Atlanta feel about the whole global warming thing today... This frigid weather is enough to make Al Gore throw in his towel... (rim shot please)

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

We should do whatever possible to draft Fairley. He would be the Suh/Raji of our 3-4 defense and would represent a significant upgrade over our current NT options.

Posted by: Section104 | January 11, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Fairley is a 4-3 DT.

Think the second coming of Albert Haynesworth


Posted by: FormerBullisBulldog | January 11, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

1. Anyone still watching "V" is a congenital idiot.

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM

Heh, heh, heh ... you said genital.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:23 PM
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Sween, he said con-genital: I think he's talking about prison sex...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I blame Poopy_McPoop for global warming.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna try to be charming, funny and self-deprecating, so I have to warn you, it may debuzz your Hate. And please feel free to shout "Yore an idjit" whenever you wish.

http://www.cleveland.com/dsn/index.ssf/2010/11/dsn_video_live_stream.html


Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM |

Actually, your posts only underscore that you aren't capable of self-deprecating humor, as evidenced by your belief that others on an anonymous blog actually "hate" you.

As for media criticism, if/when you've read Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves To Death," get back to me.

Until then, stay down in the minor leagues - i.e., Intertube radio, self-publishing, draftdog bloggin', and "yo mama" retorts - where you belong.

That will be all.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton won't be a good fit for Shanny's offense. Newton looks like he's gonna be another Rothlisberger - drop back, hold the ball, escape and make athletic plays. I think Shanny is looking for a guy like the Falcon's QB.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 11, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should NOT draft Newton.

Why hinder & blight another young QB's career & development?

They don't have an offensive line to protect him or a coaching staff to develop him.

Posted by: FormerBullisBulldog | January 11, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Dude is a step up over Tebow, he can take a snap directly from under center, have the ball chest level, let her ripnand follow through. However I would not waste a first round draft pick on this kid. Tebow should not have been drafted at all, let alone in the first round, maybe, in lower rounds if the team wanted a project.

Mechanic wise he's much further along than Tebow, but with the current holes our team has, the only project on Allen's desk should be studying how Jesus turned water into wine, cause we need to turn possibly no draft picks in third or fourth rounds to picks in both. Getting something for McNabb and Haynesworth are the only projects the Redskins should be focused on. The DT from Auburn looked good, but there's no way in hell he's available by 10, and he's not good enough to trade up. Clay is not his brother, but is step up over H.B. Blades, wouldn't mind picking him up in third or fourth if we get them.

Posted by: clark202 | January 11, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I know this a common joke, but just because this places craves knowledge, then-Senator Al Gore Jr. WAS the primary advocate for the "information super highway" model that became the internet, as opposed to the "information freight train network" model that the telecomms were advocating.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:15 PM

It's common knowledge that if people had honored him as the Father of the Internet then he wouldn't have gone on to cause Global Warming as payback. Now look what we've gotten ourselves into.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:23 PM
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I wonder how the people in Atlanta feel about the whole global warming thing today... This frigid weather is enough to make Al Gore throw in his towel... (rim shot please)

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 11, 2011 3:29 PM |

It's why they moved the annual global warming summit to Iceland or something. They used to have it in Tennessee but the day of the first meeting there a few years ago....it snowed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Think the second coming of Albert Haynesworth

His stripper baby mama said there was only one cumming.

And that no matter how hard he tried, he just didn't have the ability/energy for the second one.

And with this information in had, we now know of at least two conditioning tests poor Albert has failed.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

beep beep, what you're noticing is not Global Warming. What you have are hot flashes, which are a normal part of menopause.

Also, the new, more accurate descriptive words for the other thing are "Global Climate Weirding."

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I blame Poopy_McPoop for global warming.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 3:32 PM

You use the word "blame." He would refer to it as giving him credit.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna try to be charming, funny and self-deprecating, so I have to warn you, it may debuzz your Hate. And please feel free to shout "Yore an idjit" whenever you wish.

http://www.cleveland.com/dsn/index.ssf/2010/11/dsn_video_live_stream.html


Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 3:10 PM |

Actually, your posts only underscore that you aren't capable of self-deprecating humor, as evidenced by your belief that others on an anonymous blog actually "hate" you.

As for media criticism, if/when you've read Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves To Death," get back to me.

Until then, stay down in the minor leagues - i.e., Intertube radio, self-publishing, draftdog bloggin', and "yo mama" retorts - where you belong.

That will be all.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 3:33 PM |

In the immortal words of "Smokey" from 'Friday'......

"Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-yum!"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about? Big Ben had the most succesful rookie year since Dan Marino going undefeated until the playoffs with a 98 passer rating. Then following up next year with another 98 passer rating while leading his team tot he Super Bowl, where admittingly he sucked, but the fact of the matter is he still got them there. It wasn't until the third year with the motorcycle accident that he played terribly.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 11, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

You're joking right? You would pick QB rating seeing as how that's the ONLY individual stat that makes him look good his first 2 years. The team had a dominant defense and he worked with a very short field and very limited playbook. All he did was tried not to throw picks. How could you even mention Dan Marino? It took Ben 4 years to throw as many TDs in 1 season as Dan threw his rookie year. Face it Ben was only perceived as being good because his team was winning.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 11, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

beep beep, what you're noticing is not Global Warming. "

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:38 PM

What I think we're all noticing is Global Not Warming. Global Chilling.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

No, they should not draft Cam Newton. Stalin, I mean Shanahan, would never draft Cam Newton. He doesn't fit the system. I'm not completely adverse to drafting a qb, but it's such a crap shoot and we have so many needs. Would love a lineman or stud linebacker. Wish we had a GM who makes those decisions and not Stalin, I mean Shananhan, who has a poor history of drafting players. He may find a RB in the late rounds, but most of his early round picks speak for themselves. I thought the NFL was a copy cat league? Do what the best teams do. They have GM's who draft and draft well every year and never trade draft picks. Hire a real GM and let Shanny coach. If he objects, fire him and waste more money. Snyder, what do you care? You've been wasting money for yrs. You're good at it...

Posted by: matthewrayman | January 11, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Sports Science done on Cam Newton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eI5Kyrk4g

Posted by: jkmtwo | January 11, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse


beep beep, what you're noticing is not Global Warming. What you have are hot flashes, which are a normal part of menopause.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:38 PM |

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now that's funny

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Is anything ever OLD fangled?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse


Is anything ever OLD fangled?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 3:43 PM |

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does what dangles between my legs count ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Moe, nice and beat me to it. I was thinking about second comings being an eligibility requirement for a career in porn. Took me too long to form a quip ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually, your posts only underscore that you aren't capable of self-deprecating humor, as evidenced by your belief that others on an anonymous blog actually "hate" you.

As for media criticism, if/when you've read Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves To Death," get back to me.

Until then, stay down in the minor leagues - i.e., Intertube radio, self-publishing, draftdog bloggin', and "yo mama" retorts - where you belong.

That will be all.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 3:33 PM

Did you just accuse someone of coming across as arrogant? Or is it some brilliantly unaware character you're developing? You know a David Brent/Micheal Scott type guy? If it's the later, brilliant! If it's the former, stop.

Posted by: mack1 | January 11, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Is anything ever OLD fangled?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 11, 2011 3:43 PM |

Yes, the Washington Redskins' current roster.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

A Tuesday has come and gone without a Football Insider video...the season is truly over...very sad....

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

No chance we take Newton @ #10. We have too many needs to take an athletic project of a QB that might be ready in 2 YRS.

Fairley was easily the best player on the field last night and is in the discussion with Green and Bowers to go #1 overall.

The guy I like is a guy that has a 95+ MPH fastball, has thrown for more than 10,000 YDs, and has rushed for over 4,000 YDs. He's 6'6 and might be available in the 5th RD. His name is Colin Kaepernick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 2:55 PM

PLEASE REREAD YOUR POST.

For someone who consistently bashes me up here about my thoughts.

The guy you want is predicted to be drafted between the 5th - 7th round. So, you think he would start in year 1.

This MoFo weighs a Buck 80 soaking wet. He will be broken in 2 pieces in a Preseason game, let alone a real NFL game at his current weight.

This bama is our savior?

That is the worst QB pull I've seen up here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Is Cam Newton worth a first-round pick?
By Washington Post editors
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Heck NOOOOOO!!! the Kid can't play squat against a real legit defense like last night. He might be the next Vince Young who would rather run than read progressions.

being able to pick at No.10 gives the the skins to at least trade down and get more picks. Fairley is the only one I know worth taking at 10 but he'll be gone by the time the Skins pick.

Get Jake Locker, he's more of a QB that's suited for the Shannys.

Get Casey Matthews from Oregon(Clay Matthews little bro). He's got some speed and insticts similar to his brother and can play either ILB or OLB. I don't know where he might be projected but whichever team gets him he'll be a steal

Posted by: datruth21 | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

A Tuesday has come and gone without a Football Insider video...the season is truly over...very sad....

Posted by: PlayAction | January 11, 2011 3:48 PM |

Yeah, I missed the bloated DoveBar Eclairrington saying "Knowimsayin" and "keeping-it-ril" every 5 seconds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I missed the bloated DoveBar Eclairrington saying "Knowimsayin" and "keeping-it-ril" every 5 seconds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You would not say that in his presence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

That is the worst QB pull I've seen up here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM

Sweet! We got us and old fashioned 1/11/11 told-you-so in-the-making! This time next year (actually, it might take a couple of years, but time flies when you post up here) it will be 4th v. dcsween on "how turned out better: Flabbert or Kaepernick?"

On skinny (now) being a disqualification (snap in two?), think about that for a second ... when Fletcher is tackling guys, does it matter if the hole the RB is coming through is high or wide? Skinny doesn't mean dcik for how well you can throw a ball, how well you scramble, and HOW IT FEELS TO GET SACKED. Weak reasoning there, 4th. Start over.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You would not say that in his presence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

he has candy to scare him away from danger

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, I missed the bloated DoveBar Eclairrington saying "Knowimsayin" and "keeping-it-ril" every 5 seconds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You would not say that in his presence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:57 PM |

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he wouldn't say any of the things that he posts facing anyone

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

sween-

Mel Kiper on Colin Kaepernick

-A "professional's" analysis.

"You're talking about a kid 6-6, 233. Runs a 4.5 40. Tremendous athlete. Great arm. People think he's a running QB, but he's not. He can throw the football. He's not picture perfect throwing the ball, but he has a good arm. He was a high school baseball prospect. This is an NFL caliber QB. People underrated his ability to throw the football. He's a work in progress as a passer, no question, but he has a strong arm. You have to be able to see the field these days, with all of the defenses coming at you. He's a great kid too."

Fairley- can play DT or 3-4 DE. He's a fit for either scheme and will be off the board at the very latest @ #3.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

My mind, it be slow today, dawg.

Thanks......


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

This MoFo weighs a Buck 80 soaking wet. He will be broken in 2 pieces in a Preseason game, let alone a real NFL game at his current weight.

This bama is our savior?

That is the worst QB pull I've seen up here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

First, I haven't seen this QB play so I won't talk about him.

But weighing 180 doesn't mean much. Brandon Banks is 150 and he's yet to be broken in half.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Fairley- can play DT or 3-4 DE. He's a fit for either scheme and will be off the board at the very latest @ #3.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:05 PM |

Dies,

Agree on Farley he can play either scheme so can most DT's that actually want to play. 90% of college DT that play pro 3-4 played 4-3 in college.

It's about working hard and learning, if AH had any heart or character he could have been great in a 3-4.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

This bama is our savior?

That is the worst QB pull I've seen up here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM

Not to bright are you? If you want an athletic project at QB then you take one in the later RDs not at #10 overall.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

as funny as it may sound after yesterday's game, I liked the C from Oregon. Considering how Farley made a mess in the middle, that might be a surprise. But that C seemed to be effective in his blocks and was rarely assigned to Farley.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

No, but someone will. This clown needs to get out of school before the NCAA figures out how badly he lied to them and how much money Auburn paid him to go there. Should be fun to watch them take away both his Heisman and Auburn's title.

In the end Shanahan will pick him, Shanahan loves second rate QBs.

Posted by: pblotto | January 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

as funny as it may sound after yesterday's game, I liked the C from Oregon. Considering how Farley made a mess in the middle, that might be a surprise. But that C seemed to be effective in his blocks and was rarely assigned to Farley.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

With all the money he will make, will Farley finally move out of the van down by the river.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I missed the bloated DoveBar Eclairrington saying "Knowimsayin" and "keeping-it-ril" every 5 seconds.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

You would not say that in his presence.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 11, 2011 3:57 PM |

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he wouldn't say any of the things that he posts facing anyone

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 4:02 PM |

I would. I would then ask him if he had any extra hippy lettuce on him.

I close colleague was at PSU when DoveBar was there and it was/is still widely known the dude smokes more ganj than anyone.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 11, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Every offseason, this team brings in the big marquee names. It's like clockwork.

Hard to imagine the FO not giving fans a reason (i.e. marquee name) for optimism and excitement again after unloading Haynesworth & McNabb.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Kaeperinick is 6'6 235.

The point is that we have TOO many needs to take a project at #10. If Locker is on the board he'll be Shanahan's pick. If not then you'll see a DL/OLB/WR taken.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Like JaMarcus Russell, this guy looks cut:

http://www.blainegabbert.org/images/blaine-gabbert-pictures%20(18).jpg

[notice that he has his own website ... that gives him Clausen-level awesomeness!]

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Based on the big 3's (N/L/M) performance in their bowl games and A. Luck not coming out, this years draft quickly went from QB rich to maybe no first rounders. Can't see wasting the tenth on any of the QB's. DL, one of the playmaking WR's or, if no good ones there, trade down.

I still like Andy Dalton, QB TCU, as a middle rounder. Trading down might allow that to happen. The guy has a good arm and instincts.

Posted by: bones21 | January 11, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes and No. Yes, he's worth a Tim Tebow-type pick for a good team that has multiple first round picks and doesn't need him to play now.

No, if you're suggesting that a team like the Skins burn a Top 10 pick on him.

Posted by: geniusesq | January 11, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/01/snyder_no_to_hbos_hard_knocks.html?hpid=topnews

Not sure if this made it up here yet, but there is something sweet about Danny worried about a "distraction"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And before that jack ass B1tchTits provides today's grammar lesson..

too not to.

sween- flabbert had only 16 TDs in a gimmick spread offense, has the physique of Seth Rogan, and has accuracy issues.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Mangini is going to be in the booth to call the Steelers-Ravens game. As an actual head coach who's watched a ton of film on these two teams, should be interesting to hear whether he spills things that he notices that the Jose Schmoes like us miss.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

NO!!!!! The Skins should stick to what they know--High priced underperforming free agents!! Favre & R. Moss in 2011!!!

Posted by: bowie2000 | January 11, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Just look at how our last pick from Auburn turned out...

Posted by: yeayea911 | January 11, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I dont get it, this kid hasn't played that much football. Injured senor HS year so he only played two years. Burned redshirt and still only played two full seasons in college.

This kid is severely lacking in experience. I dont see how anyone could take a chance on such an unknown.

To me this is a classic fits the mold so he has to be great type player.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 11, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

no for the redskins... some team will pick in the 1st though...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 11, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Snyder beeps

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY!!!

Posted by: pathmo | January 11, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

... and has accuracy issues.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 4:27 PM

That one reminds me of one my favorite Joe Gibbs lines. In talking about character on the roster, St. Joe said that that wasn't a problem with Mo Elawonebi. Instead, he said "Mo has some 'on the field' issues."

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT-8b9Zn-U8

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:42 AM

It sounded like Cam said "I'm just god's excrement" to me.

Posted by: augustiswest | January 11, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

No, we need to draft some offensive linemen, receivers, defensive backs, defensive linemen and a solid RB.

We just need a good game manager at QB. I don't see why they didn't keep McNabb while they built up the rest of the core units.

Posted by: massmedia77 | January 11, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

NO-to Cam Newton, not an NFL caliper QB. and No to any of the QB's in the draft in the first round.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 9:46 AM

Hi Hater!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No Hate , I just watched the game, don't reach because your desperate, I just was not impressed, I wish there was a QB in this draft worth the #10 pick, but there is not IMHO, not hater , just want a winning team to take the field next year.

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | January 11, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

No to Newton, but nothing personal towards him. Go for top drawer offensive line help. No need to elaborate. Real football fans understand.

Posted by: tifoso1 | January 11, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments are totally ridiculous. Just man up and say that black QBs will never be qualified to be an NFL QB regardless of their accomplishments.. I have heard every excuse in the book. Not tall enough, can't read defenses, not accurate, no leadership skills.. etc. Every year the so called experts always introduce more of those INTANGIBLES code words that only the white QB(s) possess.

After all of Cam Newton's incredible accomplishments 50 TDs (30 Passing and 20 Rushing) National Championship, Heisman Trophy, the so called experts rate him behind someone like a Jake Locker who barely won 7 games in one of the weakest conferences with sub par statistics..

Tim Tebow is another example of the double standard. Deemed a runner with no passing skills before the draft. Now magically through hard work he is on the way to becoming a franchise QB.. The QB position is like that of a CEO.. Blacks need not apply.. Will never be good enough regardles of your credentials. Let the Race Card comments flow because you cannot handle the truth..

Posted by: lenspencer | January 11, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

lenspencer, you calling peoples comments code for racist views shows me who the real racist is. Get past it fool.

Posted by: augustiswest | January 11, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Simply NO.
Many top college teams run totally different offensive schemes. If the school is not running a pro set, the QB must have real smarts to adjust to the pro game. Do not see that in Newton. A good scout can probably find a decent QB at a smaller school but he needs to be smart.
Rex Grossman is NOT the QB of the future for any team. He is too "streaky". Just ask Chicago.
Since Christian Adolph Jurgensen won't play, is William Orland Kilmer, Jr. still available? :)

Posted by: pjohn2 | January 11, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

NO, he's not very good at throwing the ball.

Thank You.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 11, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Sure, that way Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey and Jason Campbell will have company.

Posted by: Redskinrex | January 11, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

No.....NO.....NO!!!!! He's got a slooooow windup, and a sloooooow release along with a crappy arm. Man, this kid's just not very good. How the hell did he win the Heisman? He's 6'6" and he runs the ball. That's all he can do. I'm thinking Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young ( only Young had an arm ) He looks like Jason Campbell when he drops back and has the same throwing motion. This is not hard to see guys.......he sucks. What do you think NFL linebackers would do to this kid? Newton would be in a wheelchair by October.....welcome to the NFL, kid. Once he learns he can't run the ball like that in the big leagues, all he has is his arm.....which sucks. This kid quite frankly, is a joke.

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey Lensspencer...you want the truth? Here's the truth. Every coach in the NFL wants a hall of fame QB. They don't care what color they are. Just play. And win championships.
Many blacks have had the chance. And few have won. Doug Williams won with our Skins. McNabb was good in his prime ( which is past ), Steve McNair, James Harris ( back in the day ) Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Tavaris Jackson, Josh Freeman, Seneca Wallace, Mike Vick....there have been quite a few black QB's. How many of them were champions or hall of fame players? Not very many. How many great white QB's? List is endless. So there's your truth, if you can handle it. NFL teams would have Asian QB's if they were superior. They don't care what color you are. The bottom line is winning games. Many black QB's have had a chance, and hardly any of them win. So there it is.....get over it.

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Riggo2,

You really sound ignorant. And I'm really trying to be diplomatic. There's an "endless" list of great White Quarterbacks (can't believe you made me just write great White Quarterbacks)?

This country is about 12% Black. I would guesstimate that nearly 12% of all QBs in the NFL are Black. I hate Vick, but I have to say, he's pretty dang good. If you put him in the "not bad" category, then he joins a bunch of QBs who aren't going to Super Bowls every other year.

Peyton Manning, in my opinion, is the best QB. Maybe ever. His father, not coincidentally, was also an NFL QB, as is his brother. At the time his father played, Black QBs were not something you really wanted on your team. For, well, your basic redneck reasons.

You've got me rambling, it's difficult to put into words, but to come to the conclusion that "Whites" are better Quarterbacks than "Blacks" is just baseless.

You can count all the White guys who played QB all you want, but you cannot erase decades of racist owners and coaches unwilling to give them a shot. It was during Archie's time that Peyton received the seeds of his greatness.

Can we please just drop the racism? Cam Newton looks like a great athlete, nearly unstoppable in college, jammed into the QB slot because he's the best on the field and should touch the ball every time. Tony Rice, anyone? Here's a White one for ya: Eric Crouch.

It has crap to do with skin color, aside from the racists wearing either shade.

QB aint easy. It doesn't help when you're already expected to be a dumb, lazy, non-leader, based on your skin color.

And Campbell throws a really pretty ball and his delivery is perfect. Newton's looks like he's "pushing" it.

Try to be objective. I'm sure it's too much to ask, so, actually, it's a free country, so, feel free to continue to talk out your ass.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 12, 2011 3:19 AM | Report abuse

They don't care what color they are...


Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 12:54 AM |

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I think I've isolated the failure in your "logic."

That statement has only been true for a handful of years. And, actually, there are owners that, behind closed doors, with the right blend of cuban cigars and whiskey will tell you they'd prefer to ride a White QB to the Lombardi Trophy.

I just have to shake my head if THAT is the "truth" your feeble brain has led you to. Do you know who Warren Moon even is? Marlin Briscoe? That was in '68. Not that long ago, when you think about it. Randall Cunningham?

I mean, did you intentionally name the worst Black QBs ever in an attempt to make your ignorant point?

There's a cure for your ignorance. READ something on the subject before you go spouting off. Seneca WAllace? Holy Cow! Why not bring RAndle El into the conversation? I mean, really, man. That post was weak and your point of view is frailer still.

Seriously. That is some straight BS. If you believe that pile of stink, you should really keep it to yourself in the future, because you just make yourself look retarded.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 12, 2011 3:32 AM | Report abuse

Sure, he's worth a first round pick--just not worth it to the Redskins. Both lines need upgrading far more than the QB position be it Rex, Donovan (who I still believe will be the starter in 2011) or Sammy Baugh. If Fairley is on the board at 10 they HAVE to take him. If not, maybe trade back for extra picks to add O-linemen.

Posted by: largetony86 | January 12, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm ignorant? Read my freaking post. Yes, I know who Warren Moon was...and Cunningham. How many Super bowls did they win? That was my whole point. There have been many black QB's....How many won Super Bowls or are in the Hall of Fame? I'm not racist either. My best friend is black. I'm just saying look at the facts. I said NFL coaches would have Asian QB's if they won championships. Or German, or Italian.....OR BLACK!!! They don't care. It's not a racist thing, and what I'm saying is black people make it a racist thing. Facts are facts, just look at history....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To expand on my point, look at Jim Brown. Arguably the best running back to ever play. NFL coaches played hundreds of black running backs and many of them are in the Hall of Fame. Because they won championships. Why didn't we hear that they should play more white guys at running back? You play whoever wins, moron.....I'm sure there will be some great black QB's in the future. But so far, we've had quite a few in the league, and you don't like it when I point out that they haven't been HOF players. Well, I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Deal with it......

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Is Cam Newton worth a first-round pick?"
As long as it's not the redskins 1st round pick.

Posted by: fat_back | January 12, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Riggo,
Your commenst not only show your ignorance to facts about what makes a great QB, but also to the history of the NFL. Before we begin, can you list for me how many "White" QB's never won a championship in the NFL since, lets say since the Super Bowl era. And While you are at it, can you tell me how many "White" QB's who were drafted in the first round and didn't live up to expectations (Lets just start from 1983).

If given the time I can list you a number of bum QBs like Bubby Brister, busts like Todd Blackledge, David Klingler, and oh my fav. Heath Shuler (he was a running QB at Tenn. also). The fact is, QB has been generally an exclusive white only club and people like you tend to manufacture reasons why other people can't do the same job. Either they were too athletic, can't read defenses, runs too fast, poor leadership ability, lack of intangibles, no pocket presence, etc, etc. Pick one, pick all, but you are still using the same tired old lines.

The point is, a little history will tell you that it wasn't until the 1980s that NFL began changing its veiws about Black QBs. Most of that was because of Doug Williams (who they said that his arm was too strong and was drafted only because Joe Gibbs championed his cause in Tampa) and Warren Moon (who won the Rose Bowl and wasn't even drafted and is in the Hall of Fame). If you compare the percentages of White QB's drafted and the success rate with that of drafted Black QB's, the Black QB's will have a better success rate. (Well it will depend upon how we define sucess, lets just do winning percentage and not just Super Bowls).

But what really displays inner racism is when everytime someone here talks about a Black QB, they compare him to a Black QB when there is no legitimate comparison. Most experts compare Cam Newton to Rothlesberger becaue the have the same size and similar skill sets. No one would say that McNabb and Cam are similar.

In the end, you all say it is not about color, but you make it about color when continually compare QB's who have really nothing in common but race and position. And to those idiots saying Cam is like JaMarcus, Jamarcus was a pocket passer with very little movement and a cannon arm. Would you say they are the same quarterback??? No, it's not about color LOL.

Posted by: JMac_in_MD | January 12, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I said NFL coaches would have Asian QB's if they won championships. Or German, or Italian.....OR BLACK!!! They don't care. It's not a racist thing, and what I'm saying is black people make it a racist thing. Facts are facts, just look at history....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 12, 2011 2:04 PM |

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Again, you'd be wrong.

Marlon Briscoe. Only ONE example. That we KNOW of.

His coach (probably at behest of the owner) dropped him after he became the first Black QB of the AFL. Not the NFL. That would be quite a bit longer. We're talking 1968 here. Benched for NO reason other than his skin color.

That's not the kind of thing you "turn around" in a few years.

Learn some history, dude. Teach your black best friend, too. This book wasn't written yesterday. It was years and decades and many slaps in the face in the making.

Sorry if I was harsh. I just lose patience with the same old tired "logic" based on White supremacy.

By the way, Irish QBs are well represented, so half of me cares.

PS - I hate mike vick. A lot.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 13, 2011 6:18 AM | Report abuse

With all the talk of cam newton, please take casey matthews somewhere in the later rounds. Looks to be a very instinctive player with a very good upside

Posted by: hazeljay | January 13, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

With all the talk of cam newton, please take casey matthews somewhere in the later rounds. Looks to be a very instinctive player with a very good upside

Posted by: hazeljay | January 13, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Thinker.......apology accepted. I'm the farthest person from being a racist you could find. What I'm saying is this dude...
You should study some too....Briscoe really wasn't very good. What if he had won 10 or 11 games ( they had 14 back then..) and was throwing 2 or 3 TD's a game. They wouldn't have pulled him out because he was black. Every coach in the NFL back as far as you want to go wants to WIN!! If they didn't like blacks playing the game, why didn't they bench the running backs (Gale Sayers, Jim Brown ) wide receivers( Charley Taylor) tight ends ( John Mackay, Colts..HOF ) Defensive linemen ( Joe Green,) corners ( Herb Adderley ) It's because they were awesome players that won games, and championships...that's why. The race card gets played way too much. The question is this....why aren't there at least 2 or 3 great, Super Bowl winning QB's now in today's game? 32 teams, and lots of black QB's. Vick, Freeman, Jackson, Campbell, Young, Wallace, Nabb, Troy Smith to name a few. Compare that with Brady, both Mannings, Rodgers, Ryan, Romo, Brees, Rivers, Hasselbeck, Cutler, Sanchez, Rothlisberger. Which list are the better players? That's all I'm saying. I don't know why, but it just is....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 14, 2011 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Thinker.......apology accepted. I'm the farthest person from being a racist you could find. What I'm saying is this dude...
You should study some too....Briscoe really wasn't very good. What if he had won 10 or 11 games ( they had 14 back then..) and was throwing 2 or 3 TD's a game. They wouldn't have pulled him out because he was black. Every coach in the NFL back as far as you want to go wants to WIN!! If they didn't like blacks playing the game, why didn't they bench the running backs (Gale Sayers, Jim Brown ) wide receivers( Charley Taylor) tight ends ( John Mackay, Colts..HOF ) Defensive linemen ( Joe Green,) corners ( Herb Adderley ) It's because they were awesome players that won games, and championships...that's why. The race card gets played way too much. The question is this....why aren't there at least 2 or 3 great, Super Bowl winning QB's now in today's game? 32 teams, and lots of black QB's. Vick, Freeman, Jackson, Campbell, Young, Wallace, Nabb, Troy Smith to name a few. Compare that with Brady, both Mannings, Rodgers, Ryan, Romo, Brees, Rivers, Hasselbeck, Cutler, Sanchez, Rothlisberger. Which list are the better players? That's all I'm saying. I don't know why, but it just is....

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 14, 2011 1:00 AM | Report abuse

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