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It's a Matter of Coverage -- and Rushing the QB

Jason Reid writes:

Some Redskins defensive backs privately expressed frustration last season about the criticism they received for not having more interceptions.

Washington tied for 17th in the NFL with 13 interceptions, and the team's lack of turnovers contributed significantly to the 2-6 second-half slide. Obviously, Washington's defensive backs share in the responsibility for failing to have a higher interception total, "but there's a lot that goes into that," strong safety LaRon Landry said after the season. "It's never as simple as it looks. The coaches put us in the right situations but everything has to work together. The bottom line is that everyone has to do their job together, and we just all have to play better. It wasn't the coaches' fault. It's all on us."

A big part of the problem, several players said, was that defensive backs were often handcuffed last season because of Washington's ineffective pass rush. The Redskins ranked 28th in the league with only 24 sacks, and the lack of pressure on quarterbacks meant receivers had more time to try to break free in coverage. No matter how skilled or sound technique-wise, defensive backs will lose most battles if quarterbacks and receivers have an inordinate amount of time to work.

Moreover, defensive backs can't take as many chances if quarterbacks do not face consistent pressure. Cornerbacks who like to gamble and jump routes, such as Skins corner DeAngelo Hall, simply cannot do that if quarterbacks are throwing in rhythm and rarely rush throws to avoid being hit or sacked.

The Redskins hope the addition of Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will result in a much-improved pass rush and more interceptions. In making Haynesworth the league's highest-paid defensive player and making no other significant moves - at least not yet - on defense, the Redskins are gambling ($41 million guaranteed and as much as $115 million overall) that Haynesworth will continue to dominate from his interior position as he did the last two seasons for the Tennessee Titans.

But this is not basketball. No matter how talented one player is, it still takes an 11-man effort to succeed, several players said.

"When you bring in someone like him [Haynesworth], you're making a big statement about what you want to do, where you're trying to go as a team," versatile defensive tackle Lorenzo Alexander said recently. "But you still have to keep working hard to do your job and the things you need to do to get ready for the season. Everybody else still has to" deliver.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 2, 2009; 2:10 PM ET
 
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Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

LOL - the Deadskins are Super Bowl champs again (in the month of March)

No other team in the NFL would have spent all that money on 3 players while still leaving holes to fill at OL, LB, Special Teams, and depth.

As long as you run the team as if you are "one player away" - you will always be middle of the pack.

Danny the midget - physically and mentally...

Posted by: dcg4 | March 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

***BEGIN SARCASM***

Yeah, lets bring it Cutler. Not only do we not have the money for it, but it would destroy team chemistry, set us back years, and make us the laughing stock of the league again.

No sense giving the guy whos improved every year another shot. Especially since hes had such a great offensive line and receiving corps to work with.

***END SARCASM***

Here are JCs stats thru week 8 last year, when he looked like a shoe-in for the pro bowl and an outside shot for MVP:

66% 1754 yards 8 TDs 0 INTs

You want to give up a guy who puts up those numbers, is big, doesn't make killer mistakes, can make plays with his legs, has a big arm, and is a classy guy and teammate... for a 4th year guy who never put up a season QB rating of over 88?

Why?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Danny the midget - physically and mentally...

Posted by: dcg4 | March 2, 2009 2:40 PM

Wow. Thanks for bringing this fresh new perspective to the blog. I hadn't really thought about it this way before.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I think AH will do a lot for Monty & Golston. My only hope is that we do not let them go.

Golston - 6-4, 320lbs
AH - 6-6, 320lbs
Monty - 6-6, 315lbs

Our Corners do need a little work; it's not the most demanding need right now but look at our lineup-
D Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Westbrook, Tyron....
The last three are not scary & the last one can't cover.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

JC couldn't even sniff a discussion of being not the worst in his own division much less a top three of the conference.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 2:33 PM |

Jack,

When the Skins were 6-2 and Jason had his 110 QB rating everyone was talking about Jason as MVP. So, it was more than a sniff.

Let it be. This is not the year for the Skins to change QB. Obviously they have doubts about the man or they would have extended his contract.

If he doesn`t work out, it will be on him. If he does have a big year, then the `Skins will pay through the nose.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

***BEGIN SARCASM***

Yeah, lets bring it Cutler. Not only do we not have the money for it, but it would destroy team chemistry, set us back years, and make us the laughing stock of the league again.

No sense giving the guy whos improved every year another shot. Especially since hes had such a great offensive line and receiving corps to work with.

***END SARCASM***

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 2:31 PM |

Wait, so you think we should go after Cutler??!

Maybe you should have ended your sarcasm sooner... sayyy, right after your first sentence.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"No other team in the NFL would have spent all that money on 3 players while still leaving holes to fill at OL, LB, Special Teams, and depth."

------

And no team has a SHORTER list of holes to fill than the 'Skins! (Tell me who I'd love to know....Pitt...maybe!)

We need a Punter, an OLB and Depth.....Seriously..big F N Deal!

It's a good time to be a 'Skins fan!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

TE - from last post - do surplus foxholes come in different sizes? I'd like to try a small one first, to see how it works out.

Interesting, how there is some criticism about how much money Danny spent on Haynesworth.

1. Last time I checked, Danny wasn't spending my money. I get the games that I can for free on cable, watch the intergoogles for other games, and if I choose to, I can pay for DirectTV to watch all games. But it ain't my money.

B. Cap, schmap. They always beat their cap ceiling, somehow, someway.

III. So, he got the best defensive player available. In an area where we had some need. He spent his own money, didn't weaken any other area of the team to do it. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with the argument, but ya'll are crazy if you'd rather have JC than Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

you really have to figure though re: employees laid off...I would think the Skins had an exceptionally large employee base and probably just pulled the reins in a bit more in line with some of the NFL clubs. I mean the NFL corp, laid off 15% of it's workforce...it's really a moot point as far as they cut people so they could make a free agent splash, that is just not the case. They DID cut players so they could make a free agent splash the shored up positions of great need.

Posted by: bms46and2 | March 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, this is how you do it.

**BEGIN SARCASM**

Geez, dcg4. I never ever thought about it that way. You sure have a refreshing intellect and razor-sharp wit. No, I don't think the term "Deadskins" is disingenuous in the slightest, especially when you consider Sean Taylor. No, no, no. You don't look fat in that dress. Don't worry about the boy down the street... of course he was kidding when he called you a dumpster full of cellulite. Golly, I sure hope you stick around and enthrall us some more with your brainy smarts. Your team will win a superbowl soon. Take care, and have a great day!

END SARCASM.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Three defensive players to look out for in 2009:

Tyson Smith LB 6-2, 250lbs, 3rd year
Matt Sinclair LB 6-2, 245, 3rd year
Kareem Moore S 5-11, 213lbs, 2nd year

***Begin Sarcasm and Abandon all hope***
Three offensive players....
Devin Thomas
Fred Davis
Malcom Kelly

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

TE - from last post - do surplus foxholes come in different sizes? I'd like to try a small one first, to see how it works out.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2009 2:51 PM

Yes. But you they deliver whatever size they feel like delivering and whenever it suits them. So, like they say, you can`t always get what you want.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Philly just got rid of half their secondary. They have a big hole there.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think Cato June or Jamie Winborn would make sense for us at OLB? Provided we could snag one of them up on the cheap.

Posted by: buke | March 2, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so in the past year we have had a semi successful test of the first teleporter, the first cloaking device.

When do we get the warp drive!?!

I ask because I want to see the cowboys shipped off to another planet.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

On a more sober note, they`ve rescued one of the four boaters,former University of South Florida football player Nick Schuyler.

The boat flipped over and all four were clinging to it. No word on the other three, and they`re treating Schuyler for hypothermia before they talk with him again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

TE,

They have actually found a second person in the Gulf. I was looking at the article a second ago, on PFT. But then the servers crashed. I think it was the Oakland Raider.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think Cato June or Jamie Winborn would make sense for us at OLB? Provided we could snag one of them up on the cheap.

Posted by: buke | March 2, 2009 3:01 PM

On the cheap? Get out of here. This is the Redskins. If we can't overpay we don't want to pay at all.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

te, I've seen reports that 3 of the guys decided to swim for it.....instead of hanging onto the boat.

Any signings happen today?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers,

Ive checked MSNBC and CNN but neither has any word about a second survivor. Knowing Pro Football Talk, though, I`d like to see it from a real news organization. I don`t think they`re right even 25% of the time unless they`re quoting a real journalism source. But, I hope they`re right this time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Now that the shopping spree is most likely done for the most part, does anyone know how much loot is left in the bank for our draft picks? Are the skins gonna run into some trouble signing the draft picks, as far as the cap goes?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 2, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"A big part of the problem, several players said, was that defensive backs were often handcuffed last season because of Washington's ineffective pass rush"

Entirely logical. Teams with glossy interception totals often get the bulk of them through pressure-induced mistakes. Teams with exceptional numbers of sacks often get the bulk of them because the QB can't find anybody open.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with the argument, but ya'll are crazy if you'd rather have JC than Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Cutler is an egomanical crybaby spoiled brat who is HATED by his teammates and punked by opposing players around the league. There is a reason Denver is trying to trade him after only 4 years. Wake up!

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You get extra space for draft picks.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

What's the skinny on Carlos Rogers again? Any developments?

Posted by: Josh7 | March 2, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

mathewvickers

'...D Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Westbrook, Tyron. The last three are not scary & the last one can't cover...'

Posted by: matthewvickers

Point taken and also the major reason why bloggas must hope the FO takes a serious sniff at Dre Bly or Bodden if he's not signed.

Bly/Bodden as a vet 4th corner is better than Tyron as a second year player 4th corner.

Taking on Bly at a discount would allow the team to avoid M Jenkins--a player some folks think the FO might draft instead of the coveted Orakpo-Smith-Britton-Oher that bloggas want at 13.

Using a vet as a 4th corner against a four receiver set, on a flexed tight end, or as a nickle or a back up in case a starter goes does is just clear headed thinking.

Tyron is a bust waiting to happen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

TE,

I haven't been able to substantiate the claim from anywhere else either. But a Real News Organization? Is there such a thing? damn you Rupert Murdoch!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Um, carlos rogers? hes on our team this year.

Oh and heres Cutler, the most coveted FA of all time:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3946294&sportCat=nfl

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Three defensive players to look out for in 2009:

"Tyson Smith LB 6-2, 250lbs, 3rd year
Matt Sinclair LB 6-2, 245, 3rd year
Kareem Moore S 5-11, 213lbs, 2nd year"

Gosh for all of us fan's sake let's hope you are right!!!! I guess I see Matt Sinclair in that role. Grilliams really liked him a lot. Not sure about the others but it would be like getting manna from heaven at this point.

"***Begin Sarcasm and Abandon all hope***
Three offensive players....
Devin Thomas
Fred Davis
Malcom Kelly"

Sheesh we've crossed the threshold into the inferno of Dante? Is that where die hard Redskins fans have to look forward to? Yikes, where is Beatrice when you need her?
I don't think Virgil the poet will do.

Okay onto football ... I think Davis has the best shot ... not sure about the wide receivers. But then the entire league seems to have this problem. L. Coles is out there again ... but I doubt he would play for Danny Snyder ever again.

They really don't have to be pro-bowl level performers. Just good enough to take the heat off the running game, the quarterback, the OL and Santana Moss. That shouldn't be a tall order for these 3 players unless they have saw dust for brains and no motivation.

BOTTTOM LINE:

WE STILL NEED OL. Daniel, this isn't Pittsburgh where the heart of everything is the defense. During the Lombardi era, even the Allen era the offensive line was key to victory or inglorious defeat. Most especially during Gibbs 1.0. They even had a name, "the Hogs".

This team, its chemistry, no matter how you look at it needs an offensive line, so much more than a great QB or running back to lead them. Yes, a great defense is necessary. Then a great offensive line.

So, you can't assume you can do like Pittsburgh did last year and throw together a bunch of undrafted and low round draft choices into an OL. For the WASHINGTON REDSKINS, this would never, ever do.

Of any team in the league, this is the one that absolutely requires a dominant, in your face offensive line.

So, you have to go to the draft and get the best LEFT TACKLE, then some guard/center types to go along with the re-signing of former draft pick and LG Dockery. Forget the skill players for now ... its time to remake the offensive line. For that part of the team the future is most assuredly NOW. And, historically, of any position on both sides of the football, it may be perhaps the most important in terms of chemistry, motivation, and confidence.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I like Cato June alot if we can get him for 2-3 years for pretty cheap (like 9 million) with a backloaded deal. He's not too old or too mediocre. I don't think we'll be able to fill all our holes on the starting O-Line, DE, LBs, and depth at CB. We should take Oher at 13 or Smith if his stock continues to drop. Trade our 1st rnd in 2010 for a 2nd and take a DE/LB. Then with our 3rd, 5th and 7th we should take all hokies. Nick Marshman is a big, mobile guard with great locker room presence. Wherever Macho Harris lands, they are lucky cause he is a playmaker. With our 5th or 7th take DE Orion Martin. He's fast and athletic and has soft hands.

Or you know, we can like, waste another pick on a punter.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"I'm done with the argument, but ya'll are crazy if you'd rather have JC than Cutler.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009"

1. It doesn't matter if you don't have an OL.
2. I think they would be better served with someone like the Steeler's backup who is a local and wants to compete with JC, not be handed the position as Cutler would expect.
3. OL is key. Not the damned QB as Gibbs 1.0 clearly demonstrated.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

LOL - the Deadskins are Super Bowl champs again (in the month of March)

No other team in the NFL would have spent all that money on 3 players while still leaving holes to fill at OL, LB, Special Teams, and depth.

As long as you run the team as if you are "one player away" - you will always be middle of the pack.

Danny the midget - physically and mentally...

Posted by: dcg4 | March 2, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but at least he won't be like your boy "Jerrah", who is going to have to sell the Cowgirls inside of 5 years because he and his investors discover they are too far in over their heads in debt with the new barn and can no longer afford to stock his roster with the criminal element they so prize.

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"Um, carlos rogers? hes on our team this year"

I could've sworn everyone thought he was going to be traded after the Hall deal, or he was entering free agency, or wanted to be shopped around or something. Maybe I'm just making that up.

Posted by: Josh7 | March 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse


***Begin Sarcasm and Abandon all hope***

Devin Thomas
Fred Davis
Malcom Kelly


Actually, the hope is that Thomas beats out Randle "Last Days" El as the starting slot or second receiver.

Davis should start and be used on 1st and 2nd downs primarily as a blocking tight end.

Kelly should donate his knees to the Junior Soprano Joint Replacement program and seek out his future career as a another NFL draft bust.

He can join R Gardner, M Westbrook, and T Jacobs, and C Russell in the redskins' witless wideout protection program.

My sarcasm ends there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I like Cato June alot if we can get him for 2-3 years for pretty cheap (like 9 million) with a backloaded deal. He's not too old or too mediocre.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

That's sort of what I was thinking. He's also under 30 which means he should be productive for a while.

OLB seems like the last defensive hole to fill and I'm assuming the RT spot could be solidified during the draft.

If that happens I think we look good going into the season.

Posted by: buke | March 2, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Perc and Moe,

Nicely done. I'm all for taking a tackle @ #13. Of course, I am also all for trading back and acquiring more picks.

I haven't abandoned all hope regarding our Top Three picks from a year ago, especially Malcom Kelly; it seems like he gets the most praise from the players and coaches, of course that translated into nothing on the filed, last year. But hell, he was awesome in training camp.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Rogers wanted to be a starter, No springs, No problem.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who keep posting build the lines, absolutely. Every championship team and playoff contender compete at those levels because of their lines. I will admit that if Haynesworth makes the D line better and if the 'Skins can get to the QB more than they did last year, then his signing is the right thing. I am just not sure the talent is there across the entire line. I am tired of reading this guy or that guy doesn't fit into the system. If I read that in 2009 when they are not getting to the QB, then goodbye coaching staff.

They still need to address the O line. I am not sure how long Samuels will continue to perform at Pro Bowl level. We all read where JJ is through on the other side. They need to get lucky in the draft and college free agent signing period and come up with a solid starter at the other tackle spot.

Posted by: pjente | March 2, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

if we got cato june that would be wierd as june replaced marcus in iNdy

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 2, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Kelly should donate his knees to the Junior Soprano Joint Replacement program and seek out his future career as a another NFL draft bust.

He can join R Gardner, M Westbrook, and T Jacobs, and C Russell in the redskins' witless wideout protection program.

My sarcasm ends there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 3:28 PM |


You gotta at least let him run a few routes in the NFL before you call him a bust. On the other hand, we don't have very good judgement on drafting WRs.

Who knows, the Redskins haven't had a strong WR core since Gibbs 1.0 left in 91', and haven't had a threatening D-Line in over a decade. If these moves are just half as terrible as MistaMoe surmises, we might have a pretty decent run next year. ...Maybe win a playoff game.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 2, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

al, I have no problem with Rogers wanting to be a starter, but he needs to put up, and shut up. He can't whine about how teams would give their right arm for him, but then continue to drop int, after int.

He needs to start hanging onto the ball a lot more....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Josh,

Some wanted to trade Rogers for picks but in the end it would have created a monster hole to fill at a very valuable, starting corner position.

Rogers himself claimed that he would not want to return to a crowed defensive backfield next season. In addition to expressing disdain over the situation, he said he loves being a redskins and playing for the team.

We all know now that Shawn Springs was released. The only thing that could have made that story end better would have been for the Skins to have picked up a fourth or fifth rounder for his services.

For all that, I'm happy he and D Hall are our starting corners for the next, few years. I think Byron Westbrook has a legit shot this year at making the gameday roster and playing as a nickle corner. But don't be surprised if one our four selections in this year's draft is spent on a CB.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Campbell and Cutler both have 30-40 starts, neither has a winning record or been in the playoffs. Jury is still out on both. Cutler had been in the same offense since he was drafted until this year and has more of a gunslinger mentality with the picks. He does seem like a bit of a head case too which Campbell isn't. Campbell is more mobile and more of a game manager type.

Does anybody know the deal with Mike Peterson? He fell out of favor with Del Rio down in Jax last year. Not sure if he has played SLB or only middle but could be a decent option as a 1-2 year stopgap. Cato June is light and probably can only play on the weak side.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

quick glance at some mocks and 3rd round seems to have some good ILB's that will be available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

A lot will be said between now and the start of the season. But it comes down to this Are Hall and Haynseworth the type of guys who get paid and them lose interest. To me, it seemed too risky because both seem to play a lot better when their contract is up.

But none of us know if it will work or not.

As far as Cutler for Campbell -- not enough of a difference to worry about it. Campbell is good when he gets time. My guess is Cutler wouldn't have done very well with our OL in the 2nd half of the year either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Walterfootball.com has us taking Smith 1st round and then this guy in the 3rd.

Washington Redskins: Cody Brown, OLB, Connecticut
As projected, Marcus Washington was a cap casualty. That's fine; the Redskins needed an upgrade here anyway.


Cody Brown, DS #9 OLB, Connecticut

Name: Cody Brown
College: Connecticut Number: 50
Height: 6-2 Weight: 242
Position: OLB Pos2: Rush DE
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2009
40 Time: 4.84 40 Low: 4.67 40 High: 4.89
Projected Round: 3 Stock:
Rated number 9 out of 199 OLB's 90 / 2595 TOTAL

Combine Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6021
Weight: 242
40 Yrd Dash: 4.84
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 36 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.10


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

quick glance at some mocks and 3rd round seems to have some good ILB's that will be available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 3:57 PM

I only need to glance quickly in order to mock mocks. On that point, I love how Mayock (was it Mayock?) has started mocking the hair guy ... I'm blanking on the name right now, but he's ESPN's mock draft guy and his hair is huge.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

dc,

Kiper

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know the deal with Mike Peterson? He fell out of favor with Del Rio down in Jax last year. Not sure if he has played SLB or only middle but could be a decent option as a 1-2 year stopgap. Cato June is light and probably can only play on the weak side.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I think his body is giving out. Age 32, played in 5 games in 2006, 10 in 07, started in 10 of 15 games this year. And as far as I know he has only played mlb.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Sal Paulantonio was just on ESPN from Florida saying that only one man has been found. It is believed the other three were wearing life vests, but they became separated from the boat about noon yesterday.

It doesn't look good. At least the Coast Guard has been able to narrow down the search area to concentrate their resources more effectively.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

we just released jason taylor bc we couldnt restructure

Posted by: follybeach | March 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Any one else hear that we cut JT? It was on espn

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

mock drafts=power rankings=getting over hyped at combine

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting the Skins have released Jason Taylor after both sides could not reach a restructured deal

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

RUMOR HAS IT JASON TAYLOR IS GETTING CUT


Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Redskins released Taylor!!!!

--ESPN NFL Show

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

from twitter:

ProFootballTalkhere's a PFT twitter exclusive (for now) -- skins will release jason taylor

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

so if we were sitting at 3 mil earlier


now we cut Jason Taylor (PS Jason Taylor CUT THE BS WITH THE CRAP ABOUT HOW YOU KNOW YOU AREN'T WORTH 8 MIL IF YOU DIDN'T WANNA TAKE LESS)

anyway


now we're at 11 mil under the cap!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Any one else hear that we cut JT? It was on espn

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:09 PM |

You guys better not be teasing me, that would make my day then we could get some other players in FA.

They should have done it before and signed Canty or Jason Brown.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Some insider.....ESPN learns of Taylor getting cut first. Wow, just wow....

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Amazing! Five of us watching ESPN and we all heard the same thing, the same way.

Glory hallelujah!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

wow, so we're now another 8 million under the cap?? LETS GET SPENDING!!!!!

Bring in Willis the OT for short money, and what other DE types are out there??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

TE...not me...i got from twiiter via PFT...F espn

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the report for myself, JT is gone let's see what they do with all that cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Just another hole on the lines, now who do we take at 13? DE or OT

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually TALENT EVALUATOR

don't SPEAK FOR ME

I saw it on another message board

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Where is our Insider on this?

Posted by: Predator48 | March 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Can we bring back Demetric Evans?

I'm shocked by this.....Haynesworth was supposed to improve Jason Taylor's game.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 2, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Some insider.....ESPN learns of Taylor getting cut first. Wow, just wow....

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 2, 2009 4:12 PM |

Your surprised he has been scooped ever since FA's started.

JLC did not break one story on the Skins this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

It's very hard to imagine some of you in any type of long term relationship.

A DE puts up HOF numbers for decade, suffers a freak injury (which he tries to play through) for 1 anomalous season and people start grabbing their pitchforks.

A young QB puts up MVP numbers for half a season, sets the Redskins' record for consecutive passes without an interception (beats the old record by nearly 100 passes!), falls off (along with his pro-bowl RB) when the O-line falls apart, and some are ready to grab a journeyman QB from another team or go for a backup who's never played a regular season NFL down.

Three 2nd round rooks don't get a chance to play for one unproductive season, and the reactionaries start yelling, "bust!" for all 3.

I used to think Snyderatto was a little too reactionary running this team. Now I know from the Yahoos on this board it could be worse. A lot worse!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, all because the Skins wanted him to workout 25 of 39 days of the offseason program, and he refused.

That's $8Mill in the bank! Let's sign Springs!
Lol. J/K.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

what are some possible DE still out there?

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

What a terrible move to trade away a 2 and 5 for that aging relic!!!

Most people hailed the trade.

FOOLS.

Posted by: gdennie | March 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

yeah we need to look at bringing back D. Evans


and


maybe I'm the only one


but I want Shawn Springs back a little cheaper, too!


or maybe we'll look at a LB.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we have our second round pick back Mr. Parcells?

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

You're right Flounder, not sure what I was thinking.

Guess I should hang around ESPN.com if I want breaking Skins news....

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Resign D evans he is a younger phillip daniels...which is exactly what this defense scheme needs...

hopefully Taylor stays out of the nfc east...he will prolly have 10+ sacks for a contender. but i still see why we cut him.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Jason Taylor has been released, once again the insider is left in the dust.

Posted by: rskinz34 | March 2, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As far as Cutler for Campbell -- not enough of a difference to worry about it. Campbell is good when he gets time. My guess is Cutler wouldn't have done very well with our OL in the 2nd half of the year either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah there is. Cutler is a huge douchbag!

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

JT is not much of a loss, anyone who thinks he could put up numbers in this defense like he did in Miami knows nothing about football.

He is a 240 pound DE who needs to play in a 3-4, and if you think anyone will give him close to 8.5 mil your crazy.

If he wanted to play here so bad he should have restructured.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

flound, who is still out there that would be an option?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

Reaction VS Overreaction.

This is why the world will crumble. .

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Movin' the Chains" on NFL Radio just announced J Taylor has been cut by the 'Skins.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

do you think he ever wanted to play here? I doubt it after he saw what Miami did last year without him.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

from Jason Reid's article a couple days ago :

"Just got off the phone with my partner, the legendary Jason La Canfora, who plans to take some much deserved time off, which means he'll only spend about 10 hours each day on the phone with sources. Actually, this is a good time for him to shut it down (as much as he can) for a bit, considering the Redskins appear to be finished with the biggest phase of their offseason plan. "


that's laughable

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here are a few who are younger.

We could always go after Peppers

DE 4 Antonio Smith UFA 5 6-4/280 Oklahoma State Arizona

DE 10 Igor Olshansky UFA 5 6-6/305 Oregon San Diego

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I said it before and I`ll say it again, now that the first part of my plan has been implemented:
___________________________________________

Vic Carucci has his top five free agent bargains. If it were up to me, I`d cut Jason Taylor and sign these two guys:

2. Demetric Evans, DE, Washington Redskins: Teams seeking a defensive end to be part of a 4-3 line rotation should give strong consideration to signing Evans. He might not be as dynamic as other players at his position, but his presence is consistently felt as both a pass rusher and run stopper. Evans also has the versatility to play inside in obvious pass-rush situations.

4. Kevin Burnett, OLB, Dallas Cowboys: Although he was a backup last season, he actually saw a good deal of playing time in nickel situations and handled himself well. As the year progressed, he made his mark in Wade Phillips' defense as an effective blitzer. Burnett enters the open market in search of a starting role, something he couldn't get in Dallas. Judging by the steady improvement he showed, another team could very well be catching him on the rise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 9:54 AM

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This is when Alex Buzbee steps it up!

Don't forget about D Evans or P Daniel.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

how about that haynesworth signing?
http://fanzak.com/fzrants/Does_the_NFL_stand_for_

Posted by: fanzak1231 | March 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to laugh if we signed Julius Peppers. That'd be so crazy I think it just might happen.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Nice choice on vacation days...

The FO ust be chasing somebody(es) else pretty hard right now?

Definitely the kind of news that is easy to ignore, miss, not care about, etc while on vacation.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess its no use reminding everyone that the WaPo sports section has to live by the editorial rules of the paper which are very strict about when/how you can report stuff, unlike other media who are just sports and have looser policies...nah forget it...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I love how every in the media blasts us for paying sooooo much for AH, we didn't even offer him the most money! Trent Dilfer, just drilled our entire FA so far.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

He is not a sack guy but a good run stopper.

Birth Date May 3, 1982
Birth Place Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine
Height 6-6
Weight 309 lbs.
Age 26
Position DE
Experience 5 years
College Oregon


YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2004 SDG 16 39 24 15 2 1.0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 SDG 14 29 18 11 0 3.0 0 0 0 0 0
2006 SDG 13 33 18 15 1 1.5 0 0 0 0 0
2007 SDG 16 49 35 14 3 3.5 3 0 1 0 0
2008 SDG 16 29 21 8 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
Career 75 179 116 63 6 11.0 3 0 1 0 0

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

WE RELEASED JASON TAYLOR

Posted by: wmines1 | March 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

So JT is gone, huh.

Now I wouldn't mind picking up Angelo Crowell and re-signing Demetric Evans.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I guess its no use reminding everyone that the WaPo sports section has to live by the editorial rules of the paper which are very strict about when/how you can report stuff, unlike other media who are just sports and have looser policies...nah forget it...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:25 PM

I`ve got no problems with that. Change the name to Redskins Outsider.

Look, Ivan Carter plays by the same rules and still manages to put up a lot of inside stuff on his blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

nice! JT gone finally, sign Evans and Ward

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I think AH will do a lot for Monty & Golston. My only hope is that we do not let them go.

Golston - 6-4, 320lbs
AH - 6-6, 320lbs
Monty - 6-6, 315lbs

Our Corners do need a little work; it's not the most demanding need right now but look at our lineup-
D Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Westbrook, Tyron....
The last three are not scary & the last one can't cover.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 2, 2009 2:44 PM |
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Please, tell me the teams that can field a better trio than Hall, Rogers and Smoot! Especially with Landry backing them up. This is one of the strongest secondary's in the league.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry with the realism... your point is well taken, which is precisely why it will be ignored.

Too many posters here just love to whine, don't spoil it for them!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ward?


As in Hines!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Really not looking forward to seeing JT rack up 12-18 sacks next year with that damn blue star on his helmet.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Some insider.....ESPN learns of Taylor getting cut first. Wow, just wow....

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 2, 2009 4:12 PM |

Well, since no one of any importance (or who wants to keep their job in these tough economic times) inside the organization will even acknowledge the "Insider", no surprise here. That's why he might as well take "some much needed time off".

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Smith #0 DE» Add Widget
Birth Date October 21, 1981
Birth Place
Height 6-4
Weight 285 lbs.
Age 27
Position DE
Experience 5 years
College Oklahoma State

Defense Stats
YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2005 ARI 12 16 16 0 0 3.0 0 0 0 0 0
2006 ARI 16 25 14 11 0 2.5 0 0 0 0 0
2007 ARI 16 43 37 6 0 5.5 1 0 0 0 0
2008 ARI 16 41 31 10 0 3.5 2 16 0 0 0
Career 60 125 98 27 0 14.5 3 0 0 0 0

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Resign D Evans! Seems obvious to me. Dude is a gamer who knows the system and has the physicality we ask for from DE. He was the best Dlineman we had last year, and if someone tells you different it b/c they only watch a handful of the games...

As i said last night the idea that Taylor would restructure was laughable. Now his next team will probably sign him to similar money the skins offered but he can now pick his situation.

You dont think taylor knew this was a bad nmatch for him? He has a legacy to protect. He will sign with a contender...hopefully not in the nfc east.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Crowell now is a real possibility with Taylor gone.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Just another hole on the lines, now who do we take at 13? DE or OT

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

OT! They are few and far between. Take one when you have the chance.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

flound thanks, olshansky is tempting....not much of a sack guy, however.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

D. Evans visit with 49ers delayed because his flight was cancelled till tomorrow. Use this nasty weather for some good and sign him today!!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"JT will not be that much of a loss"...

Hello! - he cost you a 2nd and a 5th round draft choice - are you happy you didn't lose more???

Posted by: dcg4 | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

since we lose Taylor do we get a compensation pick in the draft???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Really not looking forward to seeing JT rack up 12-18 sacks next year with that damn blue star on his helmet.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. I'm sure he, Brooking and Zach Thomas are going to terrorize the rest of the NFC East next season.

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

D. Evans visit with 49ers delayed because his flight was cancelled till tomorrow. Use this nasty weather for some good and sign him today!!!

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM

Sorry, that was from www.kffl.com.

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

where is jason's breaking news on jason taylor?

Posted by: rachel216 | March 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

As i said last night the idea that Taylor would restructure was laughable.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM |

They didn`t even ask him to restructure, according to the story. They asked him to insert a clause committing to participate in the off season program.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow 2 days in a row of very nice reporting. Hearing Redskins News for a change and not a bitter doom gloom opinion...WOW how nice....I like this blog now....how long do we have before before JLC comes back? I suppose i will enjoy this while it last

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is Gone..sweet!

First

Posted by: hollabolla | March 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

since we lose Taylor do we get a compensation pick in the draft???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM

No, dude, we cut him. We didnt lose him in free agency. It would be like getting a pick for Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Well cutting Taylor will hurt...I don't care what guys say on here...this leaves a huge hole...

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

In agree we should go OT at 13, but now we have another gaping hole on our DL, If we resign D Evans, and bring in Crowell, or Antonio Smith then we should be fine

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

As i said last night the idea that Taylor would restructure was laughable.

"Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:30 PM |

They didn`t even ask him to restructure, according to the story. They asked him to insert a clause committing to participate in the off season program.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse "

Same diff....he wanted to be cut!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse


Antonio Smith #0 DE» Add Widget
Birth Date October 21, 1981
Birth Place
Height 6-4
Weight 285 lbs.
Age 27
Position DE
Experience 5 years
College Oklahoma State

Defense Stats
YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2005 ARI 12 16 16 0 0 3.0 0 0 0 0 0
2006 ARI 16 25 14 11 0 2.5 0 0 0 0 0
2007 ARI 16 43 37 6 0 5.5 1 0 0 0 0
2008 ARI 16 41 31 10 0 3.5 2 16 0 0 0
Career 60 125 98 27 0 14.5 3 0 0 0 0

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

He signed with Houston on Saturday

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

DE 4 Antonio Smith UFA 5 6-4/280 Oklahoma State Arizona

DE 10 Igor Olshansky UFA 5 6-6/305 Oregon San Diego

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I think they have both been signed.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

With Taylor being released, does this mean we draft Orakpo or do we go with Carter and Daniels on the corners.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 2, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network is saying JT was cut because he refused to allow a clause in his contract requiring to participate in at least 50% of team workouts or events or

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I understand the monetary reasons for cutting Taylor, but if the purpose of adding Haynesworth was to allow our DE's to get more pressure why let Taylor go or why didn't they restructure his contract before going after Haynesworth. Hopefully someone steps up or they are eyeing another DE in draft or free agency.

Posted by: DCNative81 | March 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

'...Taylor Gone!'

And the Pats will bring him in and he'll freelance and have a pro bowl season.

And the cut and paste know-it-all bloggas will scratch their heads and say, "See, I told ya we should've kept the guy."

And the second and sixth round picks given away to Parcells for Taylor like Halloween candy will be slurped up by the dolphins' gang.

And Moe will shake his head and ask which member of the Three Stooges was hired to be our sal cap guy?

And--if there is a savings from letting Taylor go--the next new redskins savior will take the cross and suffer for us all.

Maybe his name is T. J. Housmandja.....you spell it for me...

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Jeez this is VERY BAD news...this is not good...NOW WHAT? We have a huige hole on the D line again

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Well cutting Taylor will hurt...I don't care what guys say on here...this leaves a huge hole...

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Where? In his calf? Boy, we're gonna lose 12 games next season without those 3 1/2 sacks next season. Please............

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Even though this is on the Redskins.com, I sincerely hope this quote is a lie:

Taylor’s 2009 salary was reported to be a hefty $8 million. Despite the Redskins' free agent signings last Friday, team officials did not ask Taylor to take a pay cut.

The Redskins did want to add a clause in Taylor’s contract requiring him to participate in 25 of 39 days in the team’s off-season workout program.

Taylor declined, leading to his release.

Released because of the offseason workout program? You've got to be kidding!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

We could have asked Taylor to sign a clause that would have said he would refrain from bashing the skulls of kittens and he would have refused. He wants control of how he finishes his career, and now as a free agent he has that. I think i hear the patriots calling right now.

good move for all involved...gets even better for skins if they resign the dude who beat him out....D Evans!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLA, News 4 just annouced that J Taylor has been released. Did you get left out again?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 2, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Where? In his calf? Boy, we're gonna lose 12 games next season without those 3 1/2 sacks next season. Please............

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:37 PM


Ya know, Tom Brady wasn't very effective when he was hurt either. But I'm pretty sure the Pats wouldn't want to let him go based on 1 injured season.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Ward?


As in Hines!?!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:28 PM |

I thought he was talking about RB Derrick Ward from the Giants who is a free agent, but who knows

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Smith has already signed a deal with the Texans. I am all for Olshansky though. He is still a young guy (26 or 27) and he would be a Phillip Daniels type anchor/run stuffer on the edge. From all reports I have seend, he would be relatively cheap too.

Posted by: rbruce2 | March 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update Matt. I agree that they make a good pair - particularly as they have complementary styles, w/Rogers sticking to guys like glue & Hall less risk-averse. I was just concerned we were getting Hall at the expense of losing Rogers.

Posted by: Josh7 | March 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's a scenario Trade J Campbell and Smoot for Cutler. Bronco's get a QB with only 1 year left in his contract. If they like him, they wont have to sign him to big $$ to come back AND they get a corner to replace Bly. We get Smoot off our books and a great QB for Zorn to mentor.

Posted by: DCNative81 | March 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Skins cut Taylor!

Posted by: BallsDeep | March 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Taylor isn't getting released because he wouldn't sign a doc on offseason workouts. He's getting released because he cost $8million.

DUH!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Hello! - he cost you a 2nd and a 5th round draft choice - are you happy you didn't lose more???

Posted by: dcg4 | March 2, 2009 4:31 PM |

Well that can't be fixed, but wasting another 8.5mil would be adding on to the initial mistake.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. If he really refused to participate in 50% of workouts, wow, is 8.5 mil really not worth it?

I have a feeling both sides were just looking for a reason to cut him so vinny would not look like an idiot, what a foolproof strategy.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post, ESPN, Foxsports and even Adam Schefter at NFL. com are slow with the news that Jason Taylor has been cut. I read it on aol.com go figure.

He deserves it, if he can not be part of the team workouts in the off season than good ridance....just like Brett Farve, thinks he is above the team. Good on them for cutting him. Sucks we blew our draft picks on him though. Don't think anyone else will be paying him 8 mill this season.

Posted by: candyangle | March 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Que the Iverson immitations: "We talkin'about practice, man. Practice. Not a game, not a game..."

Y'all know the drill. Now picture JT in a meeting with Vinny and Zorn giving those same lines over the workouts.

'Skins Releasing Jason Taylor
Monday, March 02, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 4:03 PM
The Washington Redskins, despite previously stating that defensive end Jason Taylor will return for another season, will instead be releasing him, a league source tells PFT.

The team was willing to keep Taylor at his $8 million salary, but asked for a workout clause to be added to his contract.

The workout clause would have required Taylor to attend 25 of 39 days of the offseason program, and he refused.

And so the move was made. Taylor will soon be on the market.

UPDATE: The team announced the move moments ago. Said coach Jim Zorn in a release: “Jason Taylor was a real professional during his time with the Redskins. He played hurt, but still gave his best effort to be prepared and play hard every week. We wish him and his family the very best.”

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

cl -- I predicted Taylor as Pat about a month ago. I've gotten close, they did sign Fred Taylor ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

OK so what did this do for cap space...TARADE FOR QB JAY CUTLER!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins really really wanted to keep Taylor they'd overlook the mandatory off-season work.

Not even really, really. Just really.

Haynesworth is nice but he needs three other guys around him.

Really, five.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

dcnative

'...if the purpose of adding Haynesworth was to allow our DE's to get more pressure why let Taylor go?..."

Ask the know it all fishman21 about the logic behind this--'cuz it confuses me, too.

Rememba--Parcells had beef with Taylor because he wanted to dance with the stars instead of workout with aqua and blue cellar dwellers the Tuna was hired to bring back to life.

Meaning when the redskins FO traded for him, they knew they were bringing in a guy with outside interests who wouldn't want to spent May sweatin' to the oldies with Prince Albert and Durrty 30.

But they didn't double check on Taylor's obvious intentions to train on his own before signing Haynesworth and now the stated idea of using #92 to collapse the pocket so Taylor could freelance isn't gonna happen.

Maybe we're all clueless and they release him to resign him at a lower number....nahhhh!

Incompetence presently wears a redskins' jersey.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I was saying that with the money we save we should sign Evans, Crowell, and Derrick Ward.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Crowell would be a dicey signing as he has bad knees like Rocky. That would be 2/3 or our starting LB core with shaky knees. I don't know if that is a great idea.

Posted by: rbruce2 | March 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

One step forward - Haynesworth - two steps back (losing cap space, Evans, Taylor, et cetera).

That encapsulates the Snyder era. Fill one hole, find two more.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 2, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I personally agree with leevi. Even if we bring back Evans, we only have one proven edge rusher on the roster, and nobody as versatile at doing the things Taylor did unnoticed or unappreciated.

We'll see. Now we need to bring in somebody else along the edge. Either that or we have to pray that Wilson or Jackson can step up big time.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Ward is visiting like 4 teams in the next 3 days. he will get starter money and status. not happening.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

JT must have wanted out too. Seems like a pretty minor clause to b!tch about.

Thought he would have had a monster year with Haynesdub. Loved that he played hurt last year, even though he blew a$$. We need an efn rush. Get Orakpo. Wtf

Posted by: hollabolla | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS: Goodbye Jason Taylor
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3946853

Posted by: Jonathan6 | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

No, dude, we cut him. We didnt lose him in free agency. It would be like getting a pick for Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM

Skins FO should be getting more than a pick for Leigh Torrence ... they should be getting extra limbs.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break huge hole on the DL, his 3.5 sacks and the fact that he could not play the run made him a liability.

He would have been an even worse liability this year, the guy didn't even start at the end of last year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

In agree we should go OT at 13, but now we have another gaping hole on our DL, If we resign D Evans, and bring in Crowell, or Antonio Smith then we should be fine

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

FO would not have released JT if they didn't have plans for use of his cap money. I suspect DEvans will be signed shortly.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is nice but he needs three other guys around him.

Really, five.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse


By the time he finishes eating in celebration of his new contract, it will need 8 guys to get all the way around him.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Taylor might have been the biggest beneficiary of Haynesworth ... and visa versa. But the DL had Taylor at $8mil, Carter at $6mil and Albert at $14mil. $28mil is nearly 1/4 of the entire cap!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3946853

espn link to jason taylor being cut.....

Posted by: mikenda804 | March 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse


Well cutting Taylor will hurt...I don't care what guys say on here...this leaves a huge hole...

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Where? In his calf? Boy, we're gonna lose 12 games next season without those 3 1/2 sacks next season. Please............

Posted by: virtueandvice | March 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You showed you know nothing about football....Just because he only had 3 1/2 sacks does not mean he demanded attention...Piaring a HEALTHY Taylor with AH would have been huge...So I ask you who do they replace him with? nobody on the team now is even close to his level....So who is out there...NOBODY....Everyone thats godd has signed...Left a huge hole on the D line

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I know it's snowing and all but Jason Taylor was cut! And that's the BEST news I've had this off-season!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | March 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

why is everyone on the Jay Cutler trade? he would still only have one WR to throw to, not even Tom Brady could put up the numbers to satisfy some people on the board, with our recievers. Unless Kelly and D Thomas step it up big time.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Ward is visiting like 4 teams in the next 3 days. he will get starter money and status. not happening.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

He's visiting several teams, but everything I have read says he won't get big money because he is 29 and has only had one game ever where he had 20 carries and nobody sees him as a full time back or a starter. That's according to PFT.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

By the time he finishes eating in celebration of his new contract, it will need 8 guys to get all the way around him.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse


"He" I meant. Silly typo. Not a John McCain debate moment.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Outsider...


Posted by: rich20ssu | March 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll do EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE OFF-SEASON WORKOUTS for 8.5 mil!

WTF!


It might hurt us next year, but I don't want him on my team if that is his dedication! Dude is a FAKE! He said all the right things last year when he was injured, even said he WASN'T WORTH HIS CONTRACT. Then, we're still HAPPY to pay him the 8.5 mil, but we ask him to stop practicing his tap dance lessons and come to the NFC BEAST workouts and he flakes out! SEE YA LATER FAKER!


Antonio Smith signed for 7 mil, if we would've let JT go earlier we could've gotten Smith for 1.5 mil less, and he's younger (I'm assuming) and would be more productive! Argh!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, can we get a post on the cut and what the plans are for the cap space?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Kinda wish the FO would have run this "workout clause" idea by JT BEFORE THE START OF FREE AGENCY. Seems like a pretty simple idea to talk about a few weeks ago. If this was done last week, with the extra cap space we could have landed Canty and Haynesworth.

Posted by: rbruce2 | March 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I personally agree with leevi. Even if we bring back Evans, we only have one proven edge rusher on the roster, and nobody as versatile at doing the things Taylor did unnoticed or unappreciated.

We'll see. Now we need to bring in somebody else along the edge. Either that or we have to pray that Wilson or Jackson can step up big time.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank you...Some of thses guys do not really know football as it appears....Jason was hurt but just because the guy didnt explode fro 16 sacks doesnt mean he was not effective...especially coming in this year healthy with AH and griffin side by side in the middle...This will hurt and make AH less effective unless they get a good replacemnet....They needed the 13th pick for a tackle...Now what do you do? Nobody really left...Unless they are planning on putting Busted knee Daniels back in....That won't work...hes older and coming off a major knee injury.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

jacky-z,

ward will garner more money than we should pay him. bottom line. you think we should outbid the Bucs?

really is a non issue...i will eat my maroon & black crocs if we sign him....but we won't....next topic?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Antonio Smith signed for 7 mil, if we would've let JT go earlier we could've gotten Smith for 1.5 mil less, and he's younger (I'm assuming) and would be more productive! Argh!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

That is the kind of thinking I am talking about. Way to use your noodle.

Posted by: rbruce2 | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Many folks up, prior to free agency, figured we needed to part company with Springs, Washngton, Taylor, Griffin and Jansen. 5 guys, all getting old in football terms, hit with injuries and getting paid a bunch.

Its a list that I agreed with.

Vinny is 3/5 of the way thru this list. He's gotten 2 replacements, in Albert and Dockery. Plus enough cap room for at least 1 more and perhaps 2 more players.

Letting Evans go FA never made sense, the guy was a value player, so the chances he returns are greater.

Not sure what is out there for OL, but my guess is there is another Kendall situation somewhere. Perhaps a vet RT unhappy where he is ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

why dont we sign willis and then move up to get orakpo. he can help us at old and de. evans would be nice but he doesnt really rush the passer that well.

Posted by: amsaul | March 2, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

why is everyone on the Jay Cutler trade? he would still only have one WR to throw to, not even Tom Brady could put up the numbers to satisfy some people on the board, with our recievers. Unless Kelly and D Thomas step it up big time.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So your idea and thinking is...Because we don't have the complete 4 great wrs...we shouldnt make a move for a very good QB?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

A second and a sixth for a 34 yr old DE who was hurt most of the one year that he played for us and got, what, 3 sacks? What a disaster. And what a disaster for the hometown paper to STILL not have anything about the story up on their website!

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 2, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

BOOBIRDS...please exit the building.

A month ago we all predicted TAYLOR, SPRINGS, WASHINGTON would be cut....

Today...all three are finally cut...

Out with the old...in with the YOUTH.

Taylor was an emergency necessity last year......but thank god we don't have eat the 8.5 mill this year.

Considering CANTY just signed with the Giants for 8.5 Mill/year....the skins definitely can sign a # of options for the OL & DL with that money.

Either which way......a DE at 13 would be more likely than a Guard or Tackle in this draft.

I think a good move as Taylor did not really do much for the skins last year...and a lack of showing commitment to the offseason workouts was just a sign of a player ending his career

Posted by: goosedude | March 2, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 you've got so that right.

Posted by: tparrish1 | March 2, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 you've got that so right.

Posted by: tparrish1 | March 2, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone suggesting we release or demote Campbell please transfer your discussion to the room filled with the people wearing bathrobes and talking to themselves. We have no interest in your delusion here.

I understand you're desperate for attention but you obviously know nothing about football and you're wasting everyone else's time. Please go play elsewhere.

Posted by: RIP-21 | March 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

And when Hayenesworth is injured in training camp or the first two weeks of the season we're looking at 6-10.

Posted by: Redskinrex | March 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

RYPIEN11: BIG UPS FOR HAVING JC'S BACK MUCH APPRECIATED.Not sure why anyone is bringing up Cutler he is arrogant(wrong kind and doesn't respond well to game pressure)Some of us are never satisfied so much for loyalty from certain fans.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

why is everyone on the Jay Cutler trade? he would still only have one WR to throw to, not even Tom Brady could put up the numbers to satisfy some people on the board, with our recievers. Unless Kelly and D Thomas step it up big time.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So your idea and thinking is...Because we don't have the complete 4 great wrs...we shouldnt make a move for a very good QB?

Posted by: leevi98 | March 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse


ROFLMAO Cutler is not a very good QB!

His Pro Bowl was a Joke!!

Philip River 105.5 Passer Rating (No Pro Bowl)

Jay Cutler 86.0 Passer Rating (Makes the Pro Bowl)

Jason Campbell 84.3 Passer Rating

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Some outlets are reporting that the skins will trade their 1st round pick (13th) to the carolina panthers for Julius Peppers. You heard it first!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Some outlets are reporting that the skins will trade their 1st round pick (13th) to the carolina panthers for Julius Peppers. You heard it first!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

joe12341:"Some outlets are reporting that the skins will trade their 1st round pick (13th) to the carolina panthers for Julius Peppers."
Would that be the VF outlets up in York PA? They have terrific deals on those fuzzy Shetland sweaters.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Shut up Samson151!!!Dumb B!!@$##!!I meant the media you $$##@@!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Shut up Samson151!!!Dumb B!!@$##!!I meant the media you $$##@@!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Have any of danny Boy's big time FA signings ever worked out? So what makes you think his most recent efforts will make a difference.

And Six Flags is in big trouble. My money is on Jerry and the cowgirls.

Do Vinny and Danny use the reverse cowgirl position?

Poor pitiful Deadskin fans. They always have such high hopes after winning the preseason shame it never carries over to the regular season.

Posted by: sheepherder | March 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The DBs are blaming the line for there lack of interceptions. That's a laugh. What about the 6 that London Fletcher dropped, 4 for Rogers, 2 for Smoot, 2 for Springs, and 1 for McIntosh. Catch those and it's 28 which would have led the league.

Posted by: lppost | March 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

And when Hayenesworth is injured in training camp or the first two weeks of the season we're looking at 6-10.

Posted by: Redskinrex | March 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So we're going from 8-8 to 6-10 because AH doesn't play? Now that shows great intellect..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | March 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Watch the disruptive defenses around the league and you'll see QB hurries and sacks from LBs and DBs. It's not just the front 4, which is why the Skins will again fail to get to the QB.

Blache doesn't blitz, and we don't have enough talent at the LB position. And no matter how well Haynesworth plays, he's not going to turn Andre Carter into DeMarcus Ware.

Posted by: saqster | March 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

would be nice to use the money saved from the Taylor cut to sign a FA Olinemen and trade dn in the 1st Rd, and get an additional pick in the 3rd Rd and strength the LB'er core...JMHO

Posted by: Dkessler1 | March 2, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

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