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It's Over

Word is that they've called it.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 26, 2007; 12:00 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

where is everyone?

Posted by: mva | August 26, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Jason... looks like it might be just you and me alive on the blog. Good to see you keepin' us up to speed! I can only see SNL on NBC so I don't know what's going on.

Posted by: mva | August 26, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Must be watching Redskins Legacy during the rain deley

Posted by: Paul S. | August 26, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Keep up the great work Jasno! I moved from DC 10 years ago (job related), still a big time 'Skins fan.

Don't let the haters on this blog get you down bro, keep dropping knowledge on 'em!

Looks like a lot of playa haters moved in since I left....

Posted by: Alan | August 26, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

lisa, they haven't won a game this season that counts for anything. season hasn't started yet. as fans we have a very short memory. jasno on the other hand is using historical facts to critique this team. and he's only pointing out facts.

is anyone else in this city being all positive about this team?

let's just wait until the season starts. that's all i am saying.

as far as balmer is concerned. their FO ignored their GLARING need and that was at QB. the same QB that cost 'em a game against the colts. they had 'em where they wanted 'em but mcnair single handedly crowned their a$-$!!!

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

just for that balmer's fo should be fired...at least the skins react to their glaring needs.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I can make a fake post too! Jason you are great and totally unbiased! Just keep doing what you are doing! You are the smartest, most insighful beat reporter ever!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

i'm hungryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy (don't say it anny!) danon all natural yogurt!

cindy, i liked Ms. Powell's article on Sushi. and wouldn't you know it he was player of the game...IMNSHO!

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

stop using up all the !'s.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't care less about seeing Palmer play, we all know Brunell and Collins are here this year and Palmer will be on the P-squad. I woulda liked to see the bubble guys get a chance to show what they can do and not to harp on this but I still think we should get an extension from the league on making our cut to 75 now that this game seems to be rained out. Would be great if we could get another week so they could get some time next weekend before our cuts.

Posted by: Says me | August 26, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Littery, as you know, I am very positive about this team. We were playing without Portis, Samuels, Campbell, and Kendall (who will be a starter) on the O against Baltimore's starters. Also Springs did not play on D and Griff not for long. It was not a level playing field.

My point is that Jason seemed to be bashing the Skins (AGAIN) and not saying anything negative against Baltimore who did not play any better - and for two weeks straight they have been penalized like crazy. This from a team that according to reports had an "excellent camp" and are bound for the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

NSHO? littery, your opinion gets humbler every day... 14-2... hrmph.

speaking of which is there a post that explains the change in your nom de guerre?

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not exactly seeing negative bias. Mostly factual information. Skins starting D allowed an offensive touchdown. Ravens' starting D did not allow a touchdown. Skins won the game, but the points were from two FGs and a defensive turnover/defensive TD, from the combined efforts of three guys who are not on the starting D: Prioleau, Trucks, and Sartz.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

mmmm, sushi.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

JC is playing in the next game! starting!!! then MB and then Jordan Palmer.

according to st. joe

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

...and you come here? I mean, my most cogent analysis of the skins is that the girl in the car commercial is hot.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:04 AM

Oh yeah! They're bouncing. Did anyone get it on Tivo?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

lisa, balmer sucks! they're our little brother city. just act like a big sister and let balmer have their "we have a better organization" tantrum.

as long as billick is there they're not a good organization. they're an annoying, almost over the hill, no QB organization. i'd take the skins owner, org over them any time!!!

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

After the rain delay, when they went out on the field, and then had to turn around b/c of the lightning, and then came back out again, did anyone get the feeling you were watching Spinal Tap? ("Hello Cleveland! ... hello cleveland.")

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

But that probably wasn't the skins analysis you were looking for.

But with a barstool and a lot of camera equipment on the set, it looks like you'll be able to see more of her later.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Stonehenge!

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

ohh wait i think i changed the subject...
regarding jasno's coverage...read dcsween's response. that's what i think.

hey, we have all season to rub it in to jasno when he's wrong about something. you're correct to point out the contradictions (of his) as i did about heyer. but i don't think he's biased.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Skins starting D allowed an offensive touchdown

dcsween base on Sam and Sonny all of the starters wasn't in on that TD.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

That was me D forgot to post my name.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I don't know who was out (maybe Griff), but it was a pass and Rocky and Sean Taylor both missed it. I think it was mostly Rocky ... and it looked like he got'double moved' on.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

jm220, the d played sloppy on that TD drive of the ravens. they gave up a long 3rd down conversion and missed several tackles. but i'm thinking it was a loss of concentration. cuz after all they were in the middle of a lightning storm...

i don't think it was that big of a deal.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sayin that, but I'm saying it WAS a great game to watch by the Skins' D (other than that play) ... and even if Jasno is right about the more 'mature' play for Sean Taylor on McNair would have been mid-section tackle to force a fumble, rather than a "low percentage kill shot," it DID look nice ... and if he would have gotten that low percentage shot, Boller would have been starting earlier, and maybe for the season.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

they ran a nickel package on the TD -- fletcher out, RockyMac in the middle, only rushed four with Blades coming in after a delay. the dline got some push, but McNair had time, made the pass and RockyMac overcommitted and missed the tackle.
I'd be interested in the Jaws breakdown of the play -- it looked like McNair had to get Blades to move forward in order to create the space to make the pass.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

it's not like he's only telling us bad stuff. he's pointing out the starters being out. he's pointing out that Griff will be scary good this year (if healthy). and he's pointing out that we have probly the best special teams in all of NFL.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

WTF was McNair thinking? It's the preseason, fool -- slide!!

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:41 AM | Report abuse

"WTF was McNair thinking? It's the preseason, fool -- slide!!"

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:41 AM

WTF was Moorman thinking? It's the ProBowl, fool -- slide!!

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

and Suggs ate up Heyer three times, got inside of him easily and got at Collins.

If I am not mistaken there was no sacks tonight. If anything it sounded like his boy Gaithers got ate up by Carter and Tucker.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Back to the Landry bowl, I bet right now LaRon is feeling better about his night than Dawan is about his. After watching film with the coaches ... it doesn't matter ... from a fan view -- an NFL fan, not just a Skins or Ravens fan -- it was better to watch LaRon than Dawan.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"Washington's defense was okay again, but the lack of pressure and inability to force a turnover by the starters is beyond ridiculous now."

I didn't notice our starting D blitz at all, and Carter had several good chances. When the second string came in, they immediately blitzed and caused the TO. Just like the running game isn't a panic situation, the starting D isn't 'beyond ridiculous' yet.
And although Collins got dinged once, it looks like we avoided the injury bug.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

WTF was Moorman thinking? It's the ProBowl, fool -- slide!!
Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:45 AM

The mind of a punter is a scary, mostly empty place.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I definitely feel better about Heyer compared to Gaither, but I'd rather be in a situation where I could say I was feeling better about Samuels than Ogden.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

cload, i agree. d is just fine minus the corners...24 is just fine. but double move and smoot kinda scare me. but not too much.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Also, Springs did not play at all tonight and Williams has stated repeatedly that he can do more things with him in the ballgame.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

"... I didn't notice our starting D blitz at all, and Carter had several good chances. When the second string came in, they immediately blitzed and caused the TO. ...."

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 12:49 AM

Yeah, I noticed that too. Peeps might be bunched up about Jasno's statement of what happened, but this wasn't a game the team needed to win, its one that Grilliams needed to figure out where his guys were. Grilliams was working in his "packages" ... he's gotta be thinking that the Saunders gets for his playbook/phonebook sounds good. Grilliams has a 400 page laminated card.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

i have no problem with you bashing them, but man i just wish u knew football and not be that guy who never played and just reports it. The skins defense stopped the ravens pretty easily there first 3 drives and the 4th the ravens scored on when the ref missed a dropped ball by mason and the skins only had 7 starters in there, should they of stopped them yes but come on, that was also a great move by mason, but this team isn't going to stunt and blitz in the preseason as much because it is preseason and they still dominated, offensively collins was in there, no portis, no samuels, no kendall, and we go from a couple runs with betts to straight blaylock oh and moss got taken out early, its preseason, we won't know who is good or bad till week 4 and then we'll just get an idea, this team has a chance but when the season comes around you never know but till then, STICK WITH FACTS NOT YOUR OPINION BECAUSE YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT FOOTBALL AND IT SHOWS SO MUCH IN YOUR COMMENTS, THE WORST THING ABOUT SPORTS WRITERS IS THAT 9 OUT OF 10 NEVER PLAYED THE SPORT SO SHUT UP AND STICK WITH THE FACTS. THIS ISN'T SPORTS RADIO...SHUT UP

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 26, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

now i'm tired and talking nonsense. tried to make a williams joke, but forgot a noun. must sleep. i went out the past few nights (family at inlaws). haven't worked up to regular season form at that. i think i pulled something. maybe my liver.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

springs is the most important player on that d. if he stays healthy it's a top 5 team.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

kost seems to be the expert, but I think there's some theory that liver problems can make your hemmie act up.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

same here.

crickets, your mission if you chose to accept it is to find what happen to captain obvious aka nate.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point. One NFL Executive I've spoken to said, "Gaither has the size you dream about to be a left tackle, but, he is very slow off the ball and has no football intelligence. No one would put him in the lineup yet."

Anthony Trucks, an undrafted free agent, who is most likely to be cut, but could possibly end up as a back up on special teams, blew by Gaither and delivered a crushing hit on Kyle Boller that led to the winning touchdown. The Ravens gave up a 5th Round PICK in the 2008 draft for Gaither, who was declared ineligible for the draft because of poor grades.

Posted by: Jason LaCantWrite | August 26, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

cHRis Larry says Nate is in the jungle of Boreo chewing on halucinagenic bark and hunting small game with a blow gun...

Posted by: Stumped | August 26, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Jasno,
I can't believe your post. It's so biased. Boy, how can you possibly say its over, the fat lady (er. man wearing the dress and Hogs nose) hasn't sung yet.

And what do you mean IS? Doesn't that mean two or three different things? Doesn't it depend on what your definition of the word Is Is?

Posted by: nitwit Jason h8tr | August 26, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Anthony Trucks, an undrafted free agent, who is most likely to be cut, but could possibly end up as a back up on special teams, blew by Jared Gaither and delivered a crushing hit on Kyle Boller that led to the winning touchdown. Anthony Trucks is not known as a pass rushing linebacker. The Ravens gave up a 5th Round PICK in the 2008 draft for Gaither, who was declared ineligible for the draft because of poor grades.

One NFL Executive I've spoken to said, "Gaither has the size you dream about to be a left tackle, but, he is very slow off the ball and has no football intelligence. No one would put him in the lineup yet."

Posted by: Jason LaCantWrite | August 26, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Betcha Trucks won't get cut. Its Khary Campbell before Trucks.

This begins the new order both for special teams and for the defense. If they cut Marshall you don't think they cut Campbell? Sure they do.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora IS A HOMER!!!!

Posted by: Critic | August 26, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Just one more point...

don't know if this has been mentioned but the skins can't play palmer because if he does good and they will practice squad him another team could pick him because he is on the practice squad and put him on there active roster, its just taking that chance, they can't play him, just think matt schaub

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 26, 2007 2:18 AM | Report abuse

"Football isn't played like this," Washington coach Joe Gibbs said, "going in and out and in and out."

Posted by: Well, Duh! | August 26, 2007 3:58 AM | Report abuse

OK The writer and many posts in here make me laugh...First and foremost this is preseason...They didn't and have not well...DO I NEED TO BE CAPTAIN OBVIOUS HERE?

Ok that being said...riddle me this Batman...No team is perfect...NO TEAM...I see people complaining the Ravens scored and it was so and so fault BLAH BLAH BLAH....Hey it's football teams get scored on..it happens...no team is perfect...damn If somebody would have told you a month ago that the D would give up 1 TD in 3 games you would have been like AWESOME!....What I saw was a very very nice cut back by a WR which CAUSED people to appear to ove pursue...I It was just one nice move and run...bottom line....I also have new for ya...It won't be first or last either...It's football.....

I do firmly believe from what I have seen in preseason and it being the 4th year plus adding stablility...this team will be pretty good, exciting and competitive this year...Things will fall into place.....

I see a team with soemthing I have not seen in years here....They LOOK EXCITED TO PLAY..THEY LOOK CONFIDENT...and most of all...they look hungry!

Posted by: Leevi | August 26, 2007 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Just got back from the game...as a result my mind is flowing with Skins shizzle, so here goes...

I watched Heyer closely and JLC is right that he was beat 3 times, but only once (the second time) did Suggs actually get to Collins and disrupt the pass.

The first time Collins already had the ball out on a deep fade to Randle El and the third time Suggs grabbed Collins's foot but Collins was already in the process of making a pass in the flat.

The moves Suggs put on Heyer were far more impressive than the actual result or impact he had on the play.

As I said, he only really touched Collins once, when he drug him down while Collins was throwing and the ball went into the dirt.

Other than those three plays, Suggs was a non-factor. There were plenty of plays where he was stuffed by Heyer.

It was hardly the disaster JLC predicted.

I'd imagine the plays Suggs *did* make were the type of stuff he does to every left tackle he faces. He is not a guy who goes through games without getting pressure on the QB.

But the point is nothing happened out there tonight where he rocked Heyer's world.

JLC can try to spin it all he wants, but Heyer clearly showed tonight that deserved to be out there with the big boys.

As for everything else I noticed:

* Moss made an amazing catch

* Landry is making Taylor look kind of goofy right now

* Jarret Johnson shoved Jansen back like 10 yards on one play, right into Derrick Blaylock.

* Wynn played at left end instead of Daniels for the most part...the pass rush suffered as a result

* I can't help but think Wynn was auditioning to keep his job tonight, thus the increased playing time w/ the 1st team. He didn't impress.

* Carter got to McNair, yes, but only because the Ravens tight end got in the way of Gaither, letting Carter run free around to the QB

* Macklin's side of the field has been quiet....no Kenny Wright there. Good sign for CB depth

* I am not as positive on Cornelius as JLC....he really didn't get any penetration and I noticed he was in there a lot on the Ravens TD drive. I was more impressed by Golston and Montgomery. They were the ones stuffing the run. They are the heavyweights right now. The other DTs look puny in comparison.

* Salave'a did not show well...he got in there at the beginning of the 2nd half and Musa Smith just gashed them up the middle twice before the game was suspended

* Fletcher guarding Demetrius Williams? What was up with that? That play extended the drive that led to the Ravens TD.

* I think the 'Skins missed Marcus Washington tonight

* Which reminds me that Marcus missed two games last year: the last two. Against St. Louis and NYG, probably the two worst defensive peformances of the year. The 'Skins need him.

* I think Wynn will be released...at least he should be. He can't play and is embarrassingly slow at this point. He is by far the team's worst defensive lineman right now, with Salavea second to worst. But I think Salavea sticks.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | August 26, 2007 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Mason left LANDRY & TAYLOR holding theyre DIC**! He faked them so bad on that TD that its already a Highlight for NFL films! More KOOLAIDE please i can see they SUCK!

Posted by: Taylor & Landry Wannabees | August 26, 2007 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Uncle Spence, I stand corrected. If Palmer's showing any flashes of brilliance at practice, maybe we should keep him mostly under wraps Thursday and let MB and TC have most of the snaps.

And thanks for the great insights, Dr. Huxtable!

Posted by: Says me | August 26, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

THe game was supposed to be on nfl network at 8:00 am but they're showing the Saints. Must have something to do with the shortened game, but I've got no explanation.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 26, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Periculum, I asked you again...where do you come up with this stuff? Dallas Sartz makes ONE play and Anthony Trucks plays pretty well and you think this means they will cut Khary Campbell? Yes, they cut Lemar but the Skins do not view him like they view Campbell. Campbell is a stalwart on special teams and won an award last season.

On another note: Gibbs said he is hoping to play Jason on Thursday followed by Brunell and Palmer. He may or may not play Collins.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The only problem I have with Jason's article is the fact that he didn't report how many three and outs the Ravens had in the first half. That's critical...

Let me put down the Kool-Aid for a minute and look at this thing honestly...

1) The defense, if healthy, will be the difference maker. These guys love to play defense.
2) I am only concerned about two things going into the season a) the O-line starters and penalties due to rust b) Red Zone offense...Joe Gibbs, I think, overthinks himself in the red zone...

This team has the potential to compete for a playoof spot. What people in this area don't realize is that most teams have question marks going into the season.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 26, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Why is that:

When we get young talent(Heyer)we're trying to develop, the Skins' get criticized after they get killed for not drafting and developing players???

Posted by: sicwidit | August 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

BIG FAT ZERO! That is how many touchdowns the first team O has scored in two preseasons.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Sound and Fury from a Ravens Homer:

I still like JLA. (I keep telling myself this) But the Sound and Fury article in today's paper confirms my earlier suspicions about the dude when he wrote the Love Boat column about Smoot. He loves Baltimore and everything with the Skins is glass half empty.

The Redskins defense played very, very well last night. Andre Carter had a sack, and Laron Landry was all over the place, including putting the Ravens QB McNair on his butt. The long Ravens "scoring drive" was lifted from sagging to extending by a obviosuly wrong challenge decision by the booth on an incomplete pass by Baltimore. The replay clearly showed the ball on the ground. The Redskins special teams looked excellent. Todd Collins looked good and drove the Skins down to the goal line. The Ravens are a great defense, La Cornhola should recognize the Skins had two great drives against them that netted six points. They went toe to toe with a 13 win team from last year and at half it was 7 to 6. That shows improvement NERD!

La Canfora is a blind Ravens homer any more, I can hardly stand it.

Suddenly Sartz interception is "Bizzare". Santana Moss long reception is against "a replacement" we learn from Camille another Balmore stooge, we learn "next time that will be an interception". Is this jounalisim I ask you??. C'mon JLA and fellow Balmore stooges start calling this stuff more balanced or put in your resume to the SUN. I saw the glass half full last night for the REDSKINS!

Posted by: DTC | August 26, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Since the game was dull, here's a stray NFL tidbit. It got mentioned a few threads back, but I like it so much here it is again:

[edited from news reports]

Denver Broncos running back Travis Henry, 28, has fathered nine children by nine women in at least four Southern states and has been ordered by various judges to provide child support for seven of them, according to court records.

Shiel Edlin, Henry's lawyer, said Henry wants to be a good parent. "I know these are a lot of kids, and there might be some questions about it," he said, "but he's a really committed father."

===================

I think his lawyer is right. He sure works hard at being a father.

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Anonymous retard. The Skins starting O put 7 down on Pittsburg Starting D. See also Lloyd dunking on the goal post. Get and Abbacus or stop sucking your thumb and learn how to count...

Posted by: DTC | August 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Boswell was right as usual. We really know very little about this team - neither do the coaches...

Portis cannot be that hurt to sit the whole month.

Springs injury is being overlooked. His history re: injuries is troubling.

I do know if the Redskins do not run the ball alot better, they will have no chance.

Posted by: GAD | August 26, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about this game?!??!?! It was even more useless than a regular preseason game with th weird weather, more starters sitting etc....

All I know is that for the second straight week "the bug bad focused monster D" didnt kill us as predicted and our patchwork line held up.....

The running game is always bad in preseason...I am gonna stick with the evidence from the last two seasons that the running game will be good...

No injuries, preseason game 3 done...thats victory to me

Posted by: chris larry | August 26, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

How many times do we have to replay this? Portis does not want to play preseason games (ala LT, Stephen Jackson & others), Gibbs does not want to risk playing him either. So his "injury" has been very convenient. Portis has already said he can't wait for the season to start.

Springs may a felt a little "something" but he was dressed and ready to go. They decided not to put him out there with the ground so wet. Sportsnet was reporting that before the game began, the Skins were already saying they were not going to play their starters long due to the mess on the field...and were surprised they stayed in as long as they did.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

How many times do we have to replay this (CP and SS)?

Well, both cats were out big stretches last year. I believe it's a legitimate point and a potential sig. concern.

How soon we forget....

Posted by: GAD | August 26, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The preseaosn is meaningless unless you have red flags like last year getting blown out 41-0. We've been competetive in every game and flying around on D. Not a fan of Don Banks on CNNSI but this article he wrote on Friday sums it up pretty well. Portis isn't the only proven star sitting it out.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/08/24/preseason/index.html


BTW, loved JLC's quote about McNair being efficient. His stats read of a Mark Brunell type game. That guy is way past his prime and single handedly cost the Ravens a shot in the playoffs last year. Real worth a 4th round pick in a trade to pick him up. Hope Mcgahee is ready to carry it 30 times a game.

Posted by: cdubb | August 26, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

2007 Preseason Offensive (in both meanings of the word) stats after 2.5 games:

Yards Per Game: 32 (196.7)
Yards Per Play: 32 (4)
Points Per Game: 30 (12.3)
Passing Yds/G: 29 (146)
Rushing Yds/G: 31 (50.7)
Average Rush Yds: 31 (2.5)

Yes, the total numbers are a bit low due to a shortened game 3 (averages are not affected by a shortened game 3).

Also, take into account that the 'Skins offense played against the #1 defense (Ravens), #9 defense (Steelers), and #32 defense (Titans) from a year ago.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse


A couple points before all this gets out of hand again (not that it won't anyway):

1) For all those who love to point out that this is the "REDSKINS INSIDER" yet bash Jasno for not going into detail on the Baltimore Ravens, please be consistent. He is the REDSKINS beat writer, writing on his blog. It's a cheap and easy shot to say he is being a homer when he focuses on the Redskins, just as it would be a cheap and easy shot to say "where's the Redskins info" if he talked too much about his home team Ravens.

2) It is completely 100% fair game to point out that the Skins STARTERS have neither done very well offensively or forced a turnover defensively. (For all those who do no read closely enough to see that Jasno was talking about when the STARTERS where playing, please, just don't post.)

* Offense: Jasno caveats appropriately that key players are out, and his point is a good one that Boswell reinforces today in his column: The Skins are a big unknown on offense, and that's a concern because of past history. Again, had the Redskins been winning with these guys before, there would be less concern or questions. Jasno also points out that the Ravens had the best D, and Collins had one good long play to Santana, but then only passed for 30 more yards in the half. Frankly, as a Skins fan, I am a bit concerned when Gibbs seems happy to get FGs sometimes and just not make mistakes. I know that's his gig and I know he has won that way in the past, but I sometimes get worried that he isn't aggressive enough for today's game.

* Defense: The Redskins, remember, set a record last year for fewest take aways. Offenses are judged primarily on points, and the defense on turnovers. So this stat is fair game, and it is a fact that the defensive STARTERS have no forced a turnover. But again, I think Jasno certainly has pointed out that the defense looks much improved and has more hunger than last year.

3) The second half defensive touchdown by the Skins WAS bizarre, and that isn't saying anything bad against the Skins at ALL. It was bizarre merely because when was the last time you saw an interception for a TD after the ball pops out of the QBs hand and sort of rolls along the back and arm of a lineman before literally falling into the hands of a defender? That IS bizarre and, yes, the Skins ROCKED on that play to make that bizarre situation happen. But it stil wasn't your run of the mill interception return for a TD.

4) And finally, for those of you who keep saying they expect that the "home town" journalists to be more positive, I think you are getting newspapers and radio announcers confused. A team's radio announcers -- who are often employed by the team -- are indeed expected to stress the positive, but get slammed if they do so TOO much (ehem, are you listening XXX radio?). A newspaper should never be like this, else you'll never have a for profit team have any accountability for the quality of product on the field.

I'm killing my haiku rep with these long posts....-sigh- Tis true that our society rewards idiot 30-second sound bites, because refuting them sure does take up time that our ADHD society isn't able to focus on.....

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I just want them to make it past Thursday game without any injuries.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

people people chill.....we will know what we got around week 4/5 of REGULAR season....

jm220 speaks truth....lets just "survive" game4...

this has ben a typical nfl preseason for skins....NOT like last year where we were painfully inept in glorious fashion...

Posted by: chris larry | August 26, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Defense: The Redskins, remember, set a record last year for fewest take aways. Offenses are judged primarily on points, and the defense on turnovers. So this stat is fair game, and it is a fact that the defensive STARTERS have no forced a turnover. But again, I think Jasno certainly has pointed out that the defense looks much improved and has more hunger than last year

HaikuMan the Raven's D didn't produce a turn over or sack. Our starting D at least got a sack. So for him to pump up the Raven's D and slam ours doesn't sit well with me. But I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Football isn't played like this," Washington coach Joe Gibbs said, "going in and out and in and out."

Posted by: Well, Duh! | August 26, 2007 03:58 AM

I love football, but I love the other game that is played like that more.

Cliff Hux, thanks for the attention to details. Don't have DVR so your points are much appreciated.

HaikuMan (on the verge of becoming Blog Laureate), absolutely. When people want to talk about journalism/bias, it would be helpful if they'd give a spoiler alert so I could just skip over it.

Awesome print edition pieces today. The only issue I have is about Jasno's piece about Campbell in warmups breaking a sweat, suggesting increased work. The real suggestion (unstated) is that it was a million degrees yesterday before the storm. [Btw, last night's postgame weather report said that first storm cloud mass was 8 miles high. THAT's cool.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse


Jm220: Reasonable people can disagree on reasonable points, and I certainly respect your point that the fact is that Jasno did indeed avoid slamming the Ravens D last night. But then again, they were the best D last year and only gave up 2 FGs last night in awful conditions, so I simply don't think that is news on a Redskins blog.

But, anyway, I appreciate your more reasonable approach to discussions and avoidance of childish ad hominum attacks.

Besides, as someone else pointed out, we'll know more by week 4 and everyone can hopeful shake their heads at the nasty anonymous posts' slamming Jasno for supposedly "missing it."

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I was thinking about the IM from your buddy (in Pittsburgh) about how Skins fans love the HIT when I read this bit from Boswell: "After playing close but inconclusive games against the Titans, Steelers and Ravens, the team knows its defense is healthier and clearly better than at any point last season with free agent linebacker London Fletcher, second-year linebacker Rocky McIntosh and rookie safety LaRon Landry elevating the whole unit's level of violence and quickness. Yet the first-team defense has not turned that lust for mayhem into the most valuable commodity in the NFL: takeaways."

>>> Lust for mayhem. Let's hope that lust for mayhem can live compatibly with smart play. I agree with JLaC's point about Sean Taylor still showing the "bad habit" of going for the low percentage kill shot on McNair (and not, instead going for the midsection tackle and the forced fumble), but MAN do I love watching that lust for mayhem! There may be something wrong with me because of that.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse


Boz does have a way with words and "Lust for Mayhem" is awesome. In fact, I think it should be the D's motto for the season.

(Just because "Lust for Smartly Applied and Controlled Application of Mayhem While Keeping Our Heads in the Game" is waaay too long.)

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

dcsween join the team my friend. All my friends know I am a lust for mayhem person. As far as the Reaper from what I read (only can hear the games on xxx they have the G Men on) it was a great move by the wide out. Remember they get paid to play as well. Hopefully there won't be a lot of them this year.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, how much more will it take for some of you to STOP supporting Jason. "He is in a funk" "he is tired" blah blah blah.

what he is, a bitter, stale, after the fact reporter that hates the fact he can't write for "his" team. His daily sad,pathetic articles in the post and on the site will soon run most of the people off this blog.

Keep up the 1% effort Jason, you at least don't disappoint me anymore, now I am simply amazed that your editor allows you to actually submit the junk you have on the site. As for your blog.... pathetic.

Posted by: hail to 'em | August 26, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Jm220 -- It was a GREAT move by the WR, but that came after the catch. I didn't have a problem with any supposed "missed tackle" (there were about 4 Skins within 3 yards of the WR when he caught the ball) because, like you said, the other guys get paid, too, and it was an awesome move. I think the point on the Reaper was that perhaps the WR should have never had a chance to make that move.

Regardless, this is the folly of the preseason: we have so few plays to look at that it's easy to make vast generalizations on a couple of tidbits. At least the coaches also have practices to evaluate.

So, hear, hear on your previous posts: no injuries!!

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I laugh at myself when I see a big hit, knowing anew that I am not alone. Even though ARE is our guy, I got a charge when Ed Reed laid him out. The other night (Panthers at Patriots), Rodney Harrison had a hit on Steve Smith you could hear in Europe. Smith got up and did a dance, but it had to have been like the rush you get in jumping in a really cold pool of water.

HK, "Lust for Smartly Applied and Controlled Application of Mayhem While Keeping Our Heads in the Game" ... that's what I mean by laureate! Anyway you could rejigger it to work in "super" and "guts out"?

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

hail to 'em, your insightful thoughts on the game? you could have gotten your last post across just as interestingly with something like "Jasno, etc."

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse


How could I have missed those phrases, DC?

Revision:

"Lust for Super Smart Applied and Controlled Application of Mayhem While Thinking Our Guts Out"

which still will be shorten to "Lust for Mayhem."
:)

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

As a resident JLC h8r who is not afraid to sign his name, I thought the article this morning was fine. The editors did a good job of reigning Jasno in after the last couple of dubious articles.

+1 in credibility

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

dcsween Smith went right to the side line afterwards and took his helmet off. I played receiver in high school. When you do that you are feeling the hit. The other night I was watching a game the wide out lost his helmet on a hit.

Can we please stop the personal attacks on JLC. I don't agree with some of the things he has written as of late. Just make your point and move on. The personal attacks is killing the good spirit of the blog.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

From what I was looking for ...

1. A running game btwn the tackles, including Pucillo and Heyer redeeming themselves before returning to their depth spots. At least three inside rushing plays for more than 3.5 yards.

>>> No check, but redemption for Heyer/Pucillo on not allowing a sack.

2. Heyer showing Terrell Suggs what a man of his size can do.

>>> Check. The undrafted FA stacked up EXTREMELY well against Suggs, who is key to Balto's D.

3. No demolition of Todd Collins (who is, according to all outward appearances, looking like #2 QB).

>>> Check, though I see this may be redundant.

4. Somebody new (replacing Espy in the return game) to show up with at least a 20 yard return, either P or K return.

>>> Check. Eubanks performed solidly, including as a CB. Blaylock on the return game, eh? Only needed one, so this is a solid check.

5. One sack, one pick.

>>> Should have broken these up into two things, but b/c I didn't, the D didn't either. Way to go Prioleau. Check.

Bottom line: On #1 above, I am again left asked to have blind faith in Portis being healthy AND ready to play. Betts broke some tackles on one play, but no real downfield yards on that one. Still holding my breath on the running game. Otherwise, all the pieces are ready.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

confirming my own BS, I see I got that wrong about the return game. It was Mason, not Blaylock on the KR and HE (Mason) was the guy with the 20+ yard (24 yards) return, not Eubanks. Still, I bet both Mason and Eubanks get roster spots for return depth.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

nfl.com highlight film of last night's game. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE3&game_id=29491 Starts with another one of those "fantasy football" clips, this one with Marcus Colsten. Funny. Also, the third player in the miss/whiff on Clayton's TD pass was ... LaRon. :(

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sartz doesn't earn a roster spot for being in the right spot at the right time on the interception TD. The question is why was he so far behind the QB in the first place ... and catching the ball that bounced off the O-lineman's back ... the O-lineman who was btwn him and the QB. I'm not saying he gets cut b/c of the play, but he is gonna get some what for with the coaches in the film study.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Love how L2 shed the blocker and took out the runner. On the TD play that was just a great cut back move.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

That hit on Boller was sweet.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

jm220, yes, credit to Derrick Mason (who I think called Clayton above). JLaC noted that Rocky was real hard on himself after that ... hopefully, he learns from the mistake, doesn't get too hung up mentally, and still plays with lust mayhem ...

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who thinks we are owed a refund for last night?

Posted by: RedskinsDave | August 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

RedskinsDave, does that mean that FedEx was handing out comp beers after the second storm?

Tonight is Philly at Pittsburgh -- first chance for comparing the Skins to NFC East team against a common marker. Captain Obvious. Weather too nice to stay in. I'm out.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Just looked at the video three times. That TD pass Rocky Mac should have kept inside containment because he had help on the outside with L2. The Reaper went down the line as taught. Once again that is just a great cut back.

Collins looked like that's the all he had in that throw. LMGO yeah let's pray JC doesn't get hurt or we will be in big trouble.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I just want them to make it past Thursday game without any injuries.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 10:29 AM

The most intelligent post of the week, week, week....

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Question, fans: Who performed better than you had anticipated, and who didn't get the job done?

Better for me were Landry, Blades, Suisham, Heyer, Eubanks.

Not up-to-snuff were the receivers (except Moss) and the RBs. And, the Ravens' offense.

Biggest disappointment was calling the game without letting the bubble players play. What's the point?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Offenses are judged primarily on points, and the defense on turnovers.

Haikuman - great post. I would agree that turnovers are important but defenses are ranked and remembered on points. "That's why we play the game..."

Posted by: RBD202 | August 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Actually, defenses are primarily ranked on yards given up, not turnovers.

In this regard, the Ravens are ranked number one (200.7) and Redskins are ranked number two (242.3).

The shortened game last night screws up the meaningfulness of this stat. Still, average over 2.5 games, the 'Skins are right behind the Crows in the primary stat used to evaluate a defense.

I don't know about all this "remembered for turnovers" stuff. JLC sort of came up with that one.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

On the INT looks like double g brought the heat. Did he bring the heat when the starting d was in?

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Given the shortened game last night, examining average yards given up per play (Yds/P) is a better metric of the 'Skins D compared to the rest of the league (tied for 4th).

1. Baltimore 3.9 Yds/P
2. Pittsburgh 4.1 Yds/P
3. New Orleans 4.3 Yds/P
4. Chicago 4.5 Yds/P
4. Washington 4.5 Yds/P
5. Green Bay 4.5 Yds/P

Notice that #1 and #2 are at the top, in part, by going against the 'Skins offense.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse


Good point on the fact that the NFL does actually rank defenses on yards given up, not on points allowed or turnovers. I'd respectfully disagree with the league's methodology here, though -- I could care less how many yards a defense gives up if they stop long drives with turnovers and do not give up a lot of points. Regardless, it's a good discussion point since there isn't a "right" answer. With the Skins' abysmal showing last year on forcing turnovers, though, that stat just becomes more of a focal point for a defense scheme that GG Williams says is based on aggressive, turnover inducing play.

OK, I'm out for the afternoon....cheers, all!

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Green Bay should also be listed at #4.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed - Defenses are ranked on yards but I'd like to think points given up are important to the game result. Anyways, not worth arguing about.
As per Heyer, JLC said he got beat 3 times by Suggs - isn't that a lot for 1 to 1.5 quarters? I would extrapolate that if I knew how to but it might be a lot for a whole game. Luckily Samuels is back opening day so we don't have to hear about how bad the FO screwed up the line.

Posted by: RBD202 | August 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

As per Heyer, JLC said he got beat 3 times by Suggs - isn't that a lot for 1 to 1.5 quarters?

Posted by: RBD202 | August 26, 2007 12:20 PM

A lot? I would say a little. Heyer held Suggs off long enough. Suggs never sacked the QB and only pressured him once. How many times do you think Samuels would have gotten beaten? Or Jansen? It seems like a good performance by Heyer, a rookie in his third outing, to me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

LFM

LMGO

Posted by: Stumped | August 26, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

80,062

Posted by: MV Dame | August 26, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I just worry when good, bad and mediocre teams in the NFL are running up 30 points a game and our offense seems sooooooo flat.

I'd like to think, Gibbs is just keeping the cover on it, but I'm not sold.

One things for sure, the D will have to keep us in the hunt until the Offense can get something going. I don't expect them to put many points on the board in the first two games, there are just too many question marks.

Posted by: Stumped | August 26, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Answers:
Samuels - 1
Jansen - 4

Posted by: RBD202 | August 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Heyer is learning against blitzing, strong pass rush teams. That is all good. They need a backup to Samuels and he is obviously it. Now all that is left is to work with Armstrong.

The big problem isn't pass protection its the rusn. The better you run the ball the more you can offset the pass rush. The more you have to pass the more likely you are to get beaten on the rush or by a blitz.

Next week is dress rehearsal for the Jets. THEY HAVE TO GO OUT THERE and run the ball, move the chains, break off some good runs. That is the best indication as to whether the line is ready to go or not. Hopefully the acquisition of Kendall will help with that.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Next week is dress rehearsal for the Jets

periculum what are you talking about? Do you mean the Dolphins?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I thought peri was joking about the Jet-Skins.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, DAME???? I was just about to mention that we're in 80k territory....

Posted by: Cindy | August 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Cyn Cyty what was the goal again?

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

jets, dolphins. they are all the same team in la la land

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

88,888 is the boren penultimatum.
the boren ultimatum, of course, being 100k. as well as a great movie.

Posted by: Cindy | August 26, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"... the boren ultimatum, of course, being 100k. as well as a great movie."

Posted by: Cindy | August 26, 2007 01:44 PM

Yeah, well I'm waiting for it to come out on DVD (aka, MV Dame's "Today in RI History"). There's an easter egg on it that shows how he can do the blog count from far, far away from 15th and L, NW.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I prefer to think that he is, in reality, Donald Graham.

Posted by: Cindy | August 26, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Cyndy, my guess is that MV Dame created some sort of computer algorithm to count posts, or maybe he cuts and pastes into Excel and does a frequency count or something like that.

I would be frightened if MV Dame was counting manually, but there are some folks out there with great, quirky OCD tendencies, so I wouldn't be surprised of that either.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey everybody....

Can we please just lay off Jasno. Seriously. He really can't win on HIS blog. If he calls it as he sees it, he's a Bmore fan who is too hard on the Skins. If he were to take a Dan Snyder view paid view of the team, he'd be a "homer", trying to (unrealistically) start a Skins for the Super Bowl bandwagon ala Kornheiser of old. Isn't that what happened last year?

We as fans do have to be at least somewhat objective. And shouldn't we expect a critical look at the team from the reporter? Do you want a propagandist from the team to be the reporter instead?


Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

*picks up stick and beats dead horse*

Caro, beat reporters are paid to state facts (e.g., statistics, what the coaches and players said). Beat reporters are not supposed to be critical; critical analysis is a columnist's job.

For example, stating that the Redskins offense at one point was "pretty ugly" is borderline editorial comment by the Jasno (e.g., "ineffective" would have been a better description), but I am tired of complaining about it, and I am sure the other RI regulars are tired of reading about it.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

My observations from the game...

1) Sucked that it started so late (but at least I got power back 20 min before scheduled game time) and that it got called (though that was the right call)

2) Collins wasn't that impressive last night. Held his own. Bmore blitzed alot.

3) GREAT to see JC throwing the ball!

4) Coaches seem to like Blades alot. He sure seemed to get turned around (literally) on several plays and was out of position. Chalk up to rookie mistakes.

5) Great move by the WR on the TD. Rocky was initially beaten and thus busting SJK to get there, opening himself up to the cutback. In hindsight, should have relied on the three in front of the WR (including Taylor) to stop him wide. But this is split second stuff and I'd rather see that lust for mayhem

6) I giggle and smile when I see Landry play. THE REAL DEAL. Glad the FO didn't listen to me at the draft. I was wrong.

7) Heyer looked a LOT better than Gaithers. I think we'll all be glad to have the starting left side in there though it is good to have gotten these guys playing time for depth, which they now have.

8) I still worry about the pass defense some. I know SS wasn't in there, and maybe that's the difference. I do think Smootie is a big improvement from last year.

4)

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

CaroCanesFan-

Jasno's criticism is welcome when it is grounded in some factual basis. But lately it hasn't been.

A week before the Kendall trade, Jason said he was "valuable" and that the 'Skins couldn't get him. Once they sealed the deal he changed his tune: "the Skins paid too much."

Kendall's paid less than any of the Skins' other starting O-Linemen and is probably better than one or two of them. He's paid less than the guy he replaced, and he's probably better. So, where does Jasno get "too much"? He's shooting from the hip.

I can't speak for the others, but I think Jasno needs to do a bit more work and get his facts straight work before he starts shooting his barbs.

If you'll look at the bottom of this page it says "we encourage readers to challenge Jasno's b-s." That's what we're doing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 26, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

How many teams rely HEAVILY on their QBs to win games? An awful lot. How many of those teams have decent #2 LTs? Very few. Sure, some teams like Philly are deep along the O-line, but they have holes elsewhere. Sounds like JLC was getting his panties in a bunch over something that happens in the NFL every day.

As for the defenses, both units looked pretty damn good. If JLC is going to complain about the defense's performance, he definately has some sort of undisclosed grudge against the team. The offense has a LOT of question marks, but the defense is looking pretty tight.

Posted by: Dahn | August 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

CaroCanesFan, I agree wholeheartedly with Talent Evaluator.

I know that most of us would love for Jason to write all positive things but we realize he has to be objective and we have no problem with that. However, it seems to me his hatred of the Skins management, etc. is bleeding into his objectivity and turning it into all negativity.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Captain Incite gets paid somehow based on page views/comments and is purposely negative to draw attention.

He always eases off his negativity noticeably when he's on tv, but maybe that's just because he's talking to people that could push him on it and he can't back it up.

The defense "played okay again". Forget what you think of what they did last night, which of the other 2 games did they just play "okay". He won't answer that.

Posted by: Ron | August 26, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Lisa/TE

I have to say that I think Jasno is objective.

Did Jasno say that they paid too much for Kendall in an article? Or on the blog? Honestly I don't remember. And shouldn't there be a difference?

As I remember it, he brought up that, yet again, due to previous FO mistakes -- which we ALL agree have happened -- the Skins were forced to part with draft picks to fill a need that might have been addressed earlier. For an older player towards the end of his career.

Isn't that very type of move what we all decried last year with Duckett (that we will still pay for this year with a 4th rd pick). Kendall might cost us a 2009 pick. Might be a 4th rd pick too. Done in training camp in response to a perceived need, with the trading team holding the cards. See a pattern? One that is self-perpetuating (giving away picks that mean you won't be able to address depth needs in the draft). For the record, I think it was a worthwile/good move, given the circumstances we were in.

And this was on the heels of Jasno (accurately) reporting that the Skins needed to address the left guard position because they weren't really getting the job done in the preseason games. Sure, Gibbs blasted him for going after Heyer (smart move by the coach), but less than 48 hrs later, they addressed the left guard position like Jasno reported they needed to.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

talent-

Jasno is free to make editorial comments in his blog, and even contradict himself, which you pointed out.

My beef is that this blog and his live chats seem to embolden JLC to slip editorial comments into his print stories, which is a big no-no.

Ultimately, his editors are letting some colorful language leak through his print stories, and as Ron suggests, negative press is more interesting and sells more papers than positive/neutral press.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Oops. That's me as the anon poster at 2:39 PM.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

As for the "too valuable" to be traded...Weren't a lot of people saying that, including SI? Reminds me of the SI article quoting insiders who said that Vick wasn't going to be indicted (about a week before he was indicted). Sometimes reporters get it wrong. not because of bias or hatred.

I am not saying don't challenge what Jasno has written. Knock yourself out. I'm just saying that it gets old coming here and reading "Jasno is such a homer for Bmore" and that Jasno sucks or that he's not objective.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Embolden JLC to slip editorial comments into his print stories, which is a big no-no...

That's the WaPo stock and trade! That's all they're good at doing! See page A1 every day.

Posted by: GAD | August 26, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

GAD,

LOL! You're right about that....

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

carocanesfan:

It also gets very old reading negative, slighted and biased opinions of the "hometown" writer. Heyer and line didn't give up a sack this game, but for those who didn't see the game, the blog reads, "O Line was overmatched at times - as expected given who is out - and Suggs ate up Heyer three times, got inside of him easily and got at Collins."

Posted by: steve | August 26, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Redskins - Backup Quarterback
Todd Collins vs. Mark Brunell

Starter Jason Campbell suffered a nasty hit last week and might not play until the season opener. His injury gave Joe Gibbs a chance to look at his backups. Collins, who goes back so far that he was once the heir apparent to Jim Kelly, got the start against the Ravens. He completed a deep pass to Santana Moss to start the game, then spent the rest of the evening looking like a rickety 35-year-old who never sees meaningful action and should probably be the offensive coordinator at a Division I-AA school at this stage in his career.

Brunell took the field in the second half and threw two passes. Then, lightning struck. Officials delayed the start of the game for an hour when an electrical storm howled through the region, and they called it off when a new storm started to threaten. Gibbs lost a chance to evaluate Brunell and several other subs. "There's still a lot of things that we're off on," Gibbs said. "We've got a long ways to go."

The lightning was clearly a message from the Higher Power, who is miffed that a team with the Redskins' payroll is still trying to pass off Todd Collins as a starting NFL quarterback. If the Redskins don't grab a Kelly Holcomb-type off the waiver wire before the season starts, the capital may be in for the 40 days and 40 nights treatment.

Posted by: nicepostfrom_fox | August 26, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

fIrsT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: eat it suckas | August 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

It would save time and space (and still count toward the threadcount) if about 12 of the previous 13 post just used farstriker's code and said 15-D, 15-S, or 15-A.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

nicepostfrom_fox

LMGO!

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse


The Jasno bashers (that's simplistic, I know, so don't bash me for that) have a good point in the last couple of posts, although I think it has very little to do with anything Jasno can control himself. The value of a beat writer having a blog where he can be more informal and share his opinion is a real issue that Jasno and others on WashPo.com have mentioned in the past. Whether or not Jasno "slips in colorful language" into his articles or shows a biased there, the blog certainly will allow the perception of that to those who do not agree with every word Jasno says. It's a catch-22 these days for journalists: newspapers are accused all the time of bias one way or another and that there is no way to now the background and point of views of the reporter who is writing the article. One answer by the papers has been to let reporters have blogs, do chats, etc....which then leads to the very same charge because readers believe they see a reporters personal opinions from the blog bleed over to the story. I absolutely agree with those about and agree that this perception is problematic. I would, however, point out (again) that Jasno may not exactly have a choice in doing this blog, unpaid though it may be. I am sure we've all been in work situations where we feel like doing something "extra" would help out career (or not doing it would hurt) and then you get slammed anyway. So, as jm220 and other reasonable dissenters have written, keep it non-personal and almost everything is fair game because that's the position the Washington Post has put itself in by having a beat writer maintain a blog.

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Typos undermine
Message becomes muddled mess
Like rain on dirt road

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 26, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Being the youngest child no matter how much I promise myself I won't comment I do so here goes some more of my two cents . . .

Glad to see the I Hate Jason circle jerk is still going. Afterall why talk about what is happening with the team and the game and doing your own positives (thank you jm, sween, HKman, Lisa, littery, CH et al who are doing this)when you can rant and rave at J-La.

I particularly love those of you who call Jasno a weenie cause he never played football so what could he possible know? Meanwhile you have no problems playing armchair QB to his reporting and his blogs.
Guess that means you have all done stints as beat writers for major metropolitan/regional/national newspapers right? You went to journalism school? You wrote for your college newspaper? You are all experts on good reporting obviously otherwise you wouldn't DARE criticize and slam someone for what they do professionally. Right?

We're all railing about objectivity. Umm we're all fans. We live and die by this team and so our ability to see objectivity doesn't exist. No matter how hard we try all of us are never going to be objective about the Skins and anything having to do with them that's the beauty of fandom.

So if you hate J-La and what he writes then hey don't read it. Don't post here. Don't come here. Go somewhere where you get what you want. There are a zillion other Skins blogs so there is one for everyone.

Or, if you don't like J-La's posts then exercise your 1st amendment right to point out the problems and then move on. Add your own posts with positives and so on. Once again thanks to the regulars who are doing just that.

If negativity is your problem with J-La then why contibute to it and be negative as well?

Okay now I am going to try to move on as well and stop being a kettle to the pot.

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree with a heartfelt standing O for AMTTS on Landry. He does indeed seem like the real deal. I'm even going to send money to the Danny by buying his jersey.

Defense seems like mentally it's back to 2005 form - aggressive, attacking and fired up. Yahoo!

Best thing about last night - no injuries!

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Superbad ruled

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I have a TC question - how much practice has CP been involved in? I confess I've been very lax in my TC followings.

I ask because I was always taught that you play like you practice so if there isn't a lot of practice going on for CP I fear the rusty timing etc. in first couple of games. Seeing as the starting O hasn't been doing much in the preseason I am feeling wee bit nervous.

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

HaikuMan,

I agree. I have no problem with the people saying they disagree with Jason's take on things. But I can't stand the "Jason's a hack" group (which does not include talent, lisa or jm).

That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"We live and die by this team......"

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 03:40 PM


that may be a bit extreme........

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

sfskin CP should be fine. As long as he is doing cardio work I have no problem with him resting. He is going to be sore as hell after that first game. His body and mind have to adjust to getting hit again.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"I thought peri was joking about the Jet-Skins."

Both SCSkinsfan. But I type too much of late and have taken to trying for brevity.

Lots of ex-Jets on the OL with Thomas and Kendall, and I think Wade and Pucillo? Got
2 draft picks and an ex-Raven.

Gibbs has to get that running game going next week. He can't wait to try to get it going against the fins. Thats the mistake they made last year ... waiting too long.
Just having Moss without any help isn't going to help. I guess we'll be seeing a lot of Thrash. Don't see Bradford and Pinkston making the cut. And Jason I just don't see any improvement in Lloyd in spite of your experts' opinions.

All you have to do is run blitz and double cover Moss and Cooley and you have it pretty much covered. If Brunell or Collins play then it gets even worst.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Redskins offense looks like it still needs a wide out and some smash mouth run blocking. Otherwise its 3 yards and trick plays again.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"* Landry is making Taylor look kind of goofy right now."

Makes it hard when pay raise time comes. Taylor has to play better. He can't hide behind Archuleta.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Sfskin, Buges was asked last night about Chris Samuels and CP. He said that they hope to get Chris Samuels in for a few snaps on Thursday night (Chris is all for this) and that CP will be fine once he gets hit a few times.

Posted by: Lisa | August 26, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

Superbad was awesome! The music was killer. Definitely going to get the soundtrack.

I think Portis is going to be used sparingly to start. Otherwise, he may exacerbate the tendinitis, which could lead to season long problems. CP clearly is our most explosive back, but Betts has the frame for Gibbs pounding style running game. I see a mix of the two until it is clear Portis is ready to carry it 25-30x a game.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Finally! I've been patiently waiting for over a week to hear what you thought of Superbad.

Posted by: Cindy | August 26, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

i forgot what i was gonna say...ohh yeah regarding the CP question. you guys know that ladanian tomlinson skips the preseason every year right? or ever since people figured out he was something special. but he doesn't fake injuries. he just doesn't like preseason. last year it took him about 3 games for him to start playing like ladanian tomlinson that we know.

so expect the same from CP. at least 3 weeks (games) for him to get in game shape. good news is that there's an early bye this year. i think after the 3rd game. so...

run game will be fine. and that's st. Joe's run game. Passing game howeva...well you know who they got running the passing show. weird al. only thing saving weird al be CP this year.

Posted by: littery | August 26, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hear! Here! Heyer!

Posted by: The Professor | August 26, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Regarding CP....

I NEVER bought the line he spouted last year that he was hurt in a situation that he should never have been in (i.e. playing at all in the preseason). He seemed to imply that he shouldn't have played at all in the preseason. THAT'S BS! Who does he think he is? LT?

What he should have said was that he should have thought twice about making that tackle. But in reality, it was a freak thing, like Jansen tearing his achilles the year before or whenever it was. Crap happens. It could have happened week 1 too! It's football.

We can't really afford a slow start to the running game this year. It will probably happen (CP not playing, line not playing together). I don't have a problem with limiting work with the proven starters or not taking chances if they are a bit dinged up early on. But faking an injury (or overhyping a real injury) to avoid playing the preseason altogether is bush league....

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Especially since CP has shown that he has had a hard time getting in synch with the blocking schemes of the Redskins in the past.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the answers on CP. Peri nails it on the head for me in terms of really trying the running game for real against JAX even if it is for only 1-2 series.

I don't think we can afford to wait 3 weeks for our O to open up and since we have perennial red zone issues I'm just flat out nervous that we're going to be flat and with Eags and Gints in the first 2/3 well we can't afford it.

Am I being too much of a nervous Nellie on this?
O-line will be solid after Samuels is back and Kendall steps in. Betts will turn it on come the real season and CP will run out the rust in the first game. Is this how I should be thinking?

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

More koolaide I can see they SUCK!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Cyn Cindy,

Superbad made me want to repeat highschool....so raunchy....so fun.....

McLuvin is my new hero "I am in!"......fave scene was drunk hook up when arrested development kid was all "your unique...i respect you...samsies"

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

CaroCanesFan--

You asked "Did Jasno say that they paid too much for Kendall in an article? Or on the blog? Honestly I don't remember."

Here's what he wrote on the blog (a week after he wrote that Kendall was too valuable for the Jets to trade):

"As for Kendall: In a nutshell, the Redskins overpaid for a 34-year old guard - same ol story there - and have again taken aim at a future year's draft, but that's a vicious cycle that might never end at this point, so let's not even get into it now. I'll put the exact compensation in my story in tomorrow's paper, but it's substantial for a stopgap guy."

Now does this strike you as an explanation for why they're paying too much? I see it as "trust me, I know." I'm fine with the criticism when he backs it up, but he recently he hasn't. He's resorting to "They made some bad moves in the past, so this must be a bad move too." Not all trades of future draft picks are the same, and Jasno doesn't seem to know the difference between an apple and an oregano.

Kendall is the lowest paid on the Redskins O line. Assuming he's a starter, why is this too much? Exactly how much should the Redskins have paid, Jasno?

Is this like Duckett? No, I don't see why. For two weeks everyone, including Jasno, has been writing that we need a LG and we didn't have one in camp. Jasno's Insider prediction -- which has proven to be wrong -- was that the Skins would have to pick up someone's cut off the wiaver wire and that they wouldn't be able to get anyone as good as Kendall.

I don't recall anyone writing that we needed another RB last year. The need is greater and the price -- a fifth round pick (or a fourth a year later which is the same) is a lot lower.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW if you guys still have any rain hanging around could you all go outside and blow it westward?
One of my best friends had to evacuate her house in Idaho due to the fire and I'm hoping they get some wetness so not even a spark gets close to her roof.

I'm blowing my fog eastward. I figure we all have enough air in us to unleash some real power.

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I am going to use my first amendment rights to dredge up some tasty information on the Ravens this year and swill & spin it around on the blog.

I agree with Jasno calling out Buges and the o-line. I agreed with him last year on what was going on with the defense. I agree with a lot of his non-homer views. We share a common view of the Skins front office and the woeful Brunel and Gibbs stubborness.

But..there has been something extra this year, an extra stick he brings out to beat the Skins down. Like even when he could look for some positives, it has been missing. So I am going to chalk it up to proximity of Skins reporting to Baltimore subjects, where the fan in him bleeds purple and black, which I respect but do not agree with his loyalties. Reserving further judegement until the season gets rolling.

Posted by: DTC | August 26, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

REAL NEWS. 53 Man Roster.

http://redskins.scout.com/2/672197.html

Do you agree or disagree. Discuss.

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I am just waiting for the season to start. When we start winning he will have to eat his words. Base on the way the Jets O Line played yesterday, I bet they would love to have Kendall back.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The 4:48 was me. Sorry.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 26, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Guess that means you have all done stints as beat writers for major metropolitan/regional/national newspapers right? You went to journalism school? You wrote for your college newspaper? You are all experts on good reporting obviously otherwise you wouldn't DARE criticize and slam someone for what they do professionally. Right?"

That's like saying I can't criticize a politician because I wasn't a political scientist major. I can't criticize a dentist because I didn't go to medical school.

Peurile, simplistic logic.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Peurile, simplistic logic.

Posted by: | August 26, 2007 05:14 PM

Senor Anonymous - this is exactly my point.

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

SFskins...

I don't think you're being too nervous a nellie about the run game. I am nervous about it too! Why is it that it has taken half the season to "get it" that we need to run or how to run for the past 3 years? Is it the play calling? The line gelling? The RB's figuring it out? What????

Someone else mentioned how they hated seeing all these 30 pt scores by good/bad/middle of the road teams. I couldn't agree more. Granted we've played some good D's. But our starters have put up only one touchdown in 3 starts. That can't be good.

Do I think we have potential? YES. Especially if we get that running game going. Maybe that's what those long throws are intended to do. Set up the ran with the pass or the threat of the pass. We should really try to open up our running game this week against Jville.

And I guess I've never understood why we have to hide our offense in the preseason...Unless someone tells me it's to keep those who will be cut from passing out our playbook so to speak. Otherwise, it will like later in the season when teams have seen your offense and you just have to come up with particular plays to exploit the particular team you're playing. And avoid tendancies that make d coverage selection too easy.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks dcsween for reminding boring vitriolizers a couple of hours ago about the anti-redundancy code.

Here it is again (it displays all pretty if you use a nonproportional font like Courier).


Remember, folks, nothing says angry RI debate like a good exchange of '14!' '15!' '14-D!' '15-S' '17-A!'

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UPDATED RI BLOG POST TABLE

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There's been considerable redundancy recently. The following table is meant to address this problem by conserving valuable photons. Instead of typing out a long stream of familiar argument/rant, please use the following codes:

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Snyder sucks | 01 | 01-D |01-S |01-A |
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Vinny sucks | 02 | 02-D |02-S |02-A |
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St. Joe sucks | 03 | 03-D |03-S |03-A |
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Manboobs sucks | 04 | 04-D |04-S |04-A |
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Buges too old | 05 | 05-D |05-S |05-A |
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700p book sucks| 06 | 06-D |06-S |06-A |
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Skins suck | 07 | 07-D |07-S |07-A |
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MB sucks | 08 | 08-D |08-S |08-A |
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R Clark f-up | 09 | 09-D |09-S |09-A |
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Dockery f-up | 10 | 10-D |10-S |10-A |
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Lack of depth | 11 | 11-D |11-S |11-A |
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OL problems | 12 | 12-D |12-S |12-A |
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Poor drafting | 13 | 13-D |13-S |13-A |
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RI sucks | 14 | 14-D |14-S |14-A |
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JLC sucks | 15 | 15-D |15-S |15-A |
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GLOG sucks | 16 | 16-D |16-S |16-A |
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Prev post sucks| 17 | 17-D |17-S |17-A |
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SJK Shabingus | 18 | 18-D |18-S |18-A |
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[thx to Stumped for 'Shabingus' addition]

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Running game will be fine.......

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 26, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

17A

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

4th, for the most part, I agree, but I disagree about a few (and the guy misspelled some names ... Whitley's first name is Taylor and the WR's last name is McAddley).

That guy would cut Lloyd this year (and keep McAddley). I just can't see that happening cap hit-wise. Also, though I don't know if Ryan Hoag will make the cut, I'd put him higher on the 9 man WR depth chart than McAddley.

Also, I'd be surprised if they kept Jimoh and cut Prioleau (but I guess I could see that as a possibility). Seems like they'd try to find room to keep Eubanks.

Of the LBs, the guy from that list on the bubble in my eyes would be Sartz. I'd guess Trucks.

The guy is probably right though about there only being roster room for 4 safeties ... he picks Fox over Stoutmire and Doughty. That's a tough choice, but probably right.

5:14, I can choose my dentist and vote for my politicians. Of those two, I have an investment in the service provided. If I don't like a journalist/columnist/reporter, I don't have to read him/her. Only investment is time spent reading.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm glad to see that "Glog" made the list, farstriker.

Cool.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW if you guys still have any rain hanging around could you all go outside and blow it westward?
One of my best friends had to evacuate her house in Idaho due to the fire and I'm hoping they get some wetness so not even a spark gets close to her roof.

I'm blowing my fog eastward. I figure we all have enough air in us to unleash some real power.

Posted by: sfskin | August 26, 2007 04:52 PM

With all the hot air on this blog, any such effort will only make the fires worse in Idaho (and Montana and the rest of the West).

Posted by: Smokey Bear | August 26, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

wheres farstriker SUCKS? more koolaide please

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

'Glog' is immortal, nice work that. Though after the shellacking Tommy took, it may be a while before somebody else steps up.

Posted by: scskinsfan | August 26, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Sfskins...

I didn't see jasno's blog post saying we paid too much for Kendall as unsubstantiated because of it's brevity. Nor did I see it as "just trust me".

I think he made comments that could be easily understood by those who have followed the Redskin's FO. They have given up lots of draft picks for stopgap players. In training camp. To deal with depth issues that could have been handled earlier or in different ways.

He may not have expounded on them in his short post but that's how I took it. Heck, the Dolphins only gave a 6th round pick for a STARTING QUARTERBACK. We gave, probably, a 4th round pick for a starting left guard. Who knows, he might play for five years, he might play for 2 or 1. But if he ain't playing in 2009 and we gave up our 2009 4th round pick, that'll suck and we will have paid too much for him. Just like having Denver own our 4th round pick this year after getting our 3rd rounder last year for DUCKETT. And to think we might have had to switch 1st rounders with them this past draft! OUCH!

Again, I happen to think that this was probably a smart move but we payed a "big" price for it. Like we have been known to do in the past (draft picks for BLloyd, Brunell, Duckett, etc).

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I was glad to see the 'Skins going vertical early last night, but isn't the preferred method run-to-set-up-pass, not pass-to-set-up-the-run?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Um, sorry, SCSkinsFan--that's actually my comment to you, not another comment by you.

I need another code for my own f-up.

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Haha. No problem, farstriker.

After CaroCanes last post about poor choice in drafting, which is a constant theme on RI as well, I think there should be an "FO sucks" entry (takes too long to type 01A - 04A)

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see 13A now. Wow farstriker....comprehensive list.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

17A, geeks.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 26, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

We only had Campbell in 2 out of 3 preseason games. Looked a little shaky in the 1st game but made some nice throws. To be expected, it was his 1st game back in live action missing some key pieces on OL and CP. He was looking real nice in the Pitt game before he went down. Think he was 6-8 for 75 yards before the hit and the play he was hurt on was a great ball to Cooley. May take a little bit for the line to gel but they are good to score about 20 per game once it comes together. Hopefully the D can make it easier by creating some turnovers and setting them up in good field position.

Posted by: cdubb | August 26, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I was glad to see the 'Skins going vertical early last night, but isn't the preferred method run-to-set-up-pass, not pass-to-set-up-the-run?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 26, 2007 05:42 PM

Based on my memory of ancient things, the "pass to set up the run" method was employed successfully by the 1991 Redskins, utilizing Rypien's long and mostly-accurate passes downfield to keep defenses honest. JC is probably the team's first starting QB since Rypien to have the arm strength and accuracy to utilize this contrarian philosophy.

Posted by: The Professor | August 26, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The Professor IMHO that's why Betts didn't face 8 men fronts.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

JM,

I agree. I think we couldn't run with MB in there because D's could just stack 8 or 9 in the box because they didn't have to worry about MB getting a receiver who beat them (if they could) deep the ball.

And i repeatedly said that we needed to bench MB for exactly that reason last year. Aren't we both smart??? :)

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

So, who do you guys think will be cut this week. Don't they have to get down to 75 by Tuesday or something like that?

I think there will probably be a few surprises. Probably from the dline. No way a WR or two doesn't get cut.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

All yapped out this sunday nite.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 26, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

On last night's game's dead horse -- the Ravens' TD pass -- there is some footage from a different angle (from the end zone) on the redskins.com site (under multi-media). The immediately preceding play was the SAME one. When they ran it the first time (2nd and 6), Mason dropped the ball and probably heard Landry's footsteps (Landry had the outside). I think Mason knew to move inside after the catch (or he'd be feeling Landry in the lumbar).

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

dcsween from the clip that you posted earlier (for those that didn't see it http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE3&game_id=29491) there were a couple of things that stood out to me.
1. Great cut by the wideout. Not too much you can do about that.
2.Bad play by Rock Mac. I played up until my sr year in high as well as coach 75 pounds. You are always taught to know where you help is coming from. His help was coming from the outside.Which is why he should have made sure to keep inside containment.
3. The Reaper did how we are taught as defensive players. (why I had to laugh at JLC statment about bad angle) you come down the line which he did.
4. Hate to get back on Rocky Mac becuase he been playing great. But your are taught to always use the sideline as your helper. Once again allow the the wideout to cut back in was a mental breakdown on his part.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

JM220 breaking down film!

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 26, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

none football post. The game doesn't come on until 8. VH1 Soul has a really good program on right now.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

CL I try to respect everyone comments and views on the blog. However, some of them just make me laugh and show that they have never played the game. Or they played Madden and believe that's how the game is played. People that played and I don't mean people that were on the team and didn't get into the game. But starters sees certain things happen and know right away. If they player took the wrong angle. If it was poor tackling, or just a damn good play by the other player.

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

jm220, did you hear about/see highlights of my boy Brady Quinn's game last night? He was 7 of 11 for 81 yards and a TD. Yes the TD was against backups but he also threw a TD to Joe Jurevicius who was being covered by Dre' Bly that was incorrectly called back.

Is VH1Soul showing that Jill Scott concert?

Posted by: LH | August 26, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Otis Redding. Some on this blog need to try a little tenderness.

Posted by: LH | August 26, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

LH I saw it on ESPN. We will see once he face starters. Yes, Ottis was the man. All that was before my time but I love old school music. Was listening to Lenny Williams earlier today. OH OH OH OH. Straight baby making music there brother. (can I say that lol)

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben serves up a mallard ... should have taken the sack, or Brunelled it out of bounds.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb swallowed whole for yards by THREE Steelers. Skins have an O-line compared to the Eagles.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Brunell would have thrown a pick there too, bet.

The OL of the Eagles is giving up sacks to the Steelers without a rookie left tackle and career backup at guard.

Posted by: cdubb | August 26, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

the link jm just added has a close parenthesis at the end, so it might not work. here it is again http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE3&game_id=29491

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

from article..

"Gaither struggles
Rookie left tackle Jared Gaither, who earned a starting job while perennial All-Pro Jonathan Ogden sits out the preseason because of a toe injury, had his toughest night of the preseason.
Gaither, taken in the supplemental draft after academic problems forced him to leave Maryland, was involved in the play that led to the go-ahead score for the Redskins.

Though Gaither said he wasn't responsible for Kyle Boller's protection breaking down, linebacker Anthony Trucks appeared to blow past Gaither, who saw the pass bounce off his back and into the arms of rookie linebacker Dallas Sartz, who scored a 3-yard touchdown.

Gaither didn't seem discouraged by the performance.

"I'm feeling much more comfortable," Gaither said. "This is the third preseason game. I think I'm doing pretty good. I kind of figured I was capable. I've worked really hard."
"

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

4th, sounds like Gaither is catching some of the same flak that Heyer got last week. I gotta give both of them a ton of credit, however, b/c finding a solid tackle outside the first round, much less outside the entire draft, is a tricky proposition at best. BOTH of these guys are going to make the roster as a #2 tackle in their rookie years. Plus, both local Terps. Both of these guys are inspirations.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to the FO for finding Heyer. I agree that it's a real find for them to get an undrafted free agent as an immediate back up tackle who could fill in if needed. And a real bonus that he's local!

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Am I selectively remembering wrong? or did the Skins' D contain the Steelers' O MUCH better than the Eagles are doing?

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

everyone else watching the teen choice awards?

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

No, dcsween--come on! The teen choice awards? That would be absurd. I've been watching "Big Brother."

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you guys>? 4400 is the show. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Is there a Philly fan here who can explain the suckingness of the Eagles' D tonight? Which starters are they holding out?

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I have never thought that the Eagles or Giants were going to be in much contention for the NFC east. Base that on the Giants disarray and losing their #1 offensive player and the Eagles getting older past their prime with an aging Mcnabb (is that a misperception?). COuld be wrong. Hope not. And I have to say that the Cowgirls will probably be OK but I have a hard time thinking that Wade Phillips will all of a sudden discover how to head coach...

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

isn't 4400 that DC Police show?

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Here is a link using Star Wars analogies to predict the team records for this coming season. LMGO at the Cleveland and Arizona correlations.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see Romo still can't handle a snap! The guy just can't catch, it's hilarious! First, they take him off holding duty (smart move), next they're going to start benching him for shotgun plays as well!

Posted by: Mike C | August 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

The Cincy and Tennessee ("Competent leadership that is constantly failed by its underlings") analogs are also excellent.

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

But the Skins and Danny take the biggest and best hit of all in the Star Wars predictions.

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Let's cut CP, he obviously doesn't want to play. I can't believe we gave up Bailey for this whiner. He is not a baller in my opinion.

Posted by: CP H8tr. | August 26, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The NBC halftime crew did nothing to enlighten me about Michael Vick. I mean, none of it really made any sense ... but these guys don't have their jobs for their wisdom. Just b/c its football news, this isn't about football. I guess the networks have to say something, and maybe that's why the brought in Olbermann, but he was the least comprehensible of the three.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Princess Leia
Sibling of the chosen one.

LMGO!! When I heard him speak the other day that's what I thought. Damn what a little girl. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 26, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you hate a guy who doesn't practice? Did you hate Gary Clark? CP brings it every time he is on the field. Sure let's cut him, then which running back on the roster will stay in a be effective on pass plays? Anyone?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

bangkben, when someone signs a post as CP h8er, its obvious they've come to disrupt. This is one of those ITA moments. He/she doesn't really have any views on Portis ... some peeps just get off on provoking.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen very much footage from the games, but it sounds like we're going to be one of those middle of the field teams, whose season is decided by the close games. That being said, I'm glad that Swish and Frosty are playing well, it could end up coming down to them.

Posted by: kost52 | August 26, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Bangkokben,

You made my point for me. He doesn't play. How can he get in sync in the guys at the OLine? How can your "supposed" leader have no interest helping your team developed during the preaseason? Because he might get injured? That argument can be made on most of the other players who don't have a quality backup, e.g., Campbell. Yet they still play.

You're also right, we do not have an RB right now. I am just saying maybe he is not a core Redskin and we should start planning for the future.

Posted by: still CP H8tr. | August 26, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

kost, can you view the clips on nfl.com? Along the top, with the score boxes, if you click on one (e.g., BAL at WAS), there are three clips. The first two are highlights (first for Skins fans, second for Ravens fans, then a pre-game clip of Billick/McNair interviews).

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - Yeah, that's about all I've seen so far. The highlights on Sportcentre aren't too different.

Although I plan on trying out that link 4th provided earlier, hopefully that works out.

Posted by: kost52 | August 26, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

kost, is it monday morning there?

Philly is just not looking very good tonight. NYG were not very good last night. Didn't the TEXANS also beat the Cowboys?

kost, even if the Skins end up in the middle of the field, I believe there would still be parity in the NFC East. ;)

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

5 TCCLs- Nobody got hurt.

0 TCCLs- ARE. Dude's a vet. Bad rookie mistake not getting out of bounds on his catch before the end of the half. Don't take that sjk into the regular season ARE.

-5 TCCLS- The weather. Damn.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 26, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"So, where does Jasno get "too much"? He's shooting from the hip."

I think he meant losing the 2008 5th round pick if he ends up starting most of the season. Their previous starter was a 3rd round pick. This guy, albeit quite a bit older was a 1st round pick for Seattle in 1996. He is also a far superior player at their position.

But HE IS older than all the other starters. He will likely cost them that 5th rounder. He isn't going to last more than 1-3 years max. But you never know. Whereas Derrick Dockery could last 10 years, perhaps longer.

Simply put Jason is saying that they mortgaged the future to ensure that they had a chance to win now. Kind of the George Allen philosophy.

Jason ended by saying they were right to do it. They had no choice because of their previous blunders in the draft and with personnel. Without adding Kendall Jason's sources claimed that the Redskins essentially risked not having a solid and consistent offensive line. So, for the Redskins to have any kind of season, at least something better than Falcons face right now, they needed to make this move.

Posted by: periculum | August 26, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

a 5 hour drive down
taigating with your 7 year old son
his first skins game
torential lightening, and 400 mph winds in the upper deck
your son saying i have to go number 2 with 20k people drinking during a rain delay
A really large redskin fan kicking a Ravens fan out of the pooper for my son
a 10 hour drive home because of stupid traffic
upon getting home my son wips out his new cooley jersey and says I am going to opening day
priceless.....
he is fast asleep so I am catching up onmy lurking

Posted by: connskins | August 26, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Against my better judgement and the advice of counsel, I will continue this debate.

Bangkokben,

"You made my point for me. He doesn't play. How can he get in sync in the guys at the OLine?"

What o-line? The leftside won't see action barring injury. "Sync"? See hole, go to hole.

"How can your "supposed" leader have no interest helping your team developed during the preaseason?"

Joe Gibbs seems to be interested in developing the team. CP is paid to run, catch, pick up the blitz and score - when it counts. Everyone on the team knows this.

"Because he might get injured? That argument can be made on most of the other players who don't have a quality backup, e.g., Campbell. Yet they still play."

CP is 'injured.' A number of other starters at other positions have been held out (see Springs) or limited (Griffin) due to 'dings' and/or possible injury. Campbell although is a starter, was also held out for a 'bruise.' He played before because of his lack of experience.

"You're also right, we do not have an RB right now. I am just saying maybe he is not a core Redskin and we should start planning for the future."

I'm saying you haven't watched three years of games or somehow think that everyone on the team should be treated the same regardless of circumstances. That is naive and counterproductive. One thing if your managing a Kinko's another thing is when your goal is getting as far into the post-season as possible. Planning for the future? Does cutting someone who clearly has value and taking the salry cap hit mark good planning? Just because the guy misses practice. Watch football! This happens everywhere and has been forever.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Apologies to the regulars for the previous long winded rant. You have a good Sunday night. It is Monday morning and I have work to do.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

connskins, that which does not kill ... makes for a great story. i tried to do everything I could about the weather, sorry about that.

peri, I think the Kendall deal is a 5th round pick this year if he does NOT play >85% of snaps OR a 4th round pick NEXT year if he does.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Bben, it always great to hear from you ... have a great day in the future!

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - Yeah, monday morning here. I didn't mean to sound as though I was putting the team down when I said we're a middle of the road team. I just mean that I think there are 3-4 elite teams, 3-4 terrible teams, and not a whole lot seperating the rest. If we're on the right side of the ledger in the games decided by 7 or less, I think we're a good chance for the division.

Posted by: kost52 | August 26, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I do take exception with the thought that trading a fourth or fifth rounder for a starter is 'mortgaging the future.' Of the last 15 years of fourth round picks, only two had any impact, Stephen Davis and Shawn Barber. In the end they were both replacable. Davis was great for a four or five year span but let's not forget that it took him two or three seasons before he was the starter. Great pick, but what about the flip side? Not making the trade to hope to hell you get a gem that won't be ready for two years. I call that 'mortgaging the present.'

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Re: Halftime with Bettis.

Costas just showed his hypocritical self when interviewing Bettis. He was coming down hard on Vick, yet they made excuses with Bettis on how he didn't fake a knee injury. He 'teweaked' the timing of the disclosure according to Olberman. BS. He faked an injury that he claimed happened on a certain play. I'm not saying it's wrong, but he can stand up to it now.

Learned Hand, JM220, LG - That's why I haven't came out with my 'complete story yet. When Costas asked him about a time when he was 16, for a short time, he sold drugs. Costas said,"Why would you risk a disclosure like that?"

WTF do you mean by that (I was thinking to myself)? The guy's carrer is over and he helped bring home a SB for the City. This guy learned he needed to straighten up and he had a HOF carrer and Costas is telling him this was a risk? Media confound's me sometimes........

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 26, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Monday morning bad mood. Not wanting to get to work. Should pull a Nate.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 26, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

4th, I didn't think Costas was coming down hard on Vick, just repeating what other people have said (and that stuff comes down hard). Seemed like Costas was just coming down stupid on Vick. Same with Collinsworth. Olbermann seemed like he was going somewhere, just couldn't figure out where he ended up.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

BBen,

I don't argue that every 4th or 5th round pick will be an impact player. But isn't that the philosophy that meant we had one pick in the first 150+ picks in this year's draft? It's just hard to stomach giving up draft picks two years from now for a player that may not be playing for us then. Is that unreasonable? I CANNOT stand that we have to give up a 4th rounder THIS year for Duckett (after having given up a 3rd rounder for him this year). -- yeah, yeah, farstriker 1-4 A A ---

Not that I disagree with the move to get Kendall. I don't, given the present circumstances. But it can be or become a never ending cycle of giving up draft picks for perceived needs, needing draft picks to develop/add depth but not having them, having a need, giving away future draft picks to meet perceived urgent need, begin cycle again.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Madden thinks Trotter probably lost his job b/c of his pass coverage abilities -- that it used to be you could leave a run coverage guy in for the first two downs, then pull him on third down, but now "every down is a pass down." Reason #635 why I'm psyched about the Skins' LB corps this season.

Posted by: dcsween | August 26, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

To clarify, we gave up a 3rd for Duckett in this years draft and have to give up a 4th for this year's upcoming draft. Not bad for a player who didn't play hardly at all last year and who isn't on the roster this year!

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 26, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I watched all the way to the end of the Pennsylvania Super Bowl. What do I win?

Posted by: farstriker | August 26, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

a sheetz hot dog with chili and cheese

Posted by: connskins | August 26, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

a sheetz hot dog with chili and cheese

Posted by: connskins | August 26, 2007 11:28 PM

No, a seven-hour car ride with the guy who won a sheetz hot dog with chili and cheese.

In a Yugo.

Wafting!

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

if they are in a yugo, can they at least have a beer, perhaps a yuengling

Posted by: connskins | August 26, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

You wouldn't want to overload the car...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 26, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

if the yugo breaksdown, which it will, in front of a bar can they have a beer then, while they wait for the replacement yugo

Posted by: connskins | August 27, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

well, yeah, will it be an african or european beer?

Perhaps they can hold it with a piece of twine tucked underneath their dorsal feathers.

Whoops, Monty Python strikes again...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

night-night, gents. Tomorrow a new semester winks into existence at my school. And just one more godforsaken preseason game to go. . . .

Posted by: farstriker | August 27, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Lisa sez,

"Periculum, I asked you again...where do you come up with this stuff? Dallas Sartz makes ONE play and Anthony Trucks plays pretty well and you think this means they will cut Khary Campbell? Yes, they cut Lemar but the Skins do not view him like they view Campbell. Campbell is a stalwart on special teams and won an award last season."

Jason's experts for one. When they mention young players that have excellent potential starting off on special teams we start with the linebackers. They will get picked up rather quickly. So, the Redskins must carefully choose who to keep noting that Lemar Marshall was immediately scooped up by the Cincinnati Bengals.

I think Trucks, Sartz, Sinclair and Blades all make it somehow. All can play special teams. All are young. All play multiple linebacker positions.
They have been making plays on special teams and in practice. Now, the truly have somone to mentor them in Randall Godfrey. Perhaps the element missing considering the youth and inexperience of their position coach Kirk Olivadotti. Campbell is one of the guys that goes to keep the LBs. Otherwise they will get scooped up. I suspect that Khary Campbell will as well. They know they hit the jackpot with the linebackers this year.

That said here is my predicted final 53 ala the warpath prediction:

FINAL 53 MAN ROSTER PREDICTION

OFFENSE

QB's (3) - Jason Campbell, (Mark Brunell or Todd Collins), Jordan Palmer

RB's (4) - Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Derrick Blaylock

FB's (3) - Mike Sellers, Pete Schmitt, Fred Beasley

WR's (5) - Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, James Thrash, Jason McAdderly

TE's (2) - Chris Cooley, Eric Edwards

OL (9) - Chris Samuels, Pete Kendall, Todd Wade, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Mike Pucillo, Stephon Heyer, Calvin Armstrong [ They pick up Whitacker after he recovers from the injury later on. ]

DEFENSE

DL (8) - Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Joe Savale'a, Jamaal Green, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery, Lorenzo Alexander

LB's (7) - Marcus Washington, London Fletcher-Baker, Randall Godfrey, Rocky McIntosh, Matt Sinclair, Dallas Sartz, H.B. Blades

CB's (5) - Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, David Macklin, Ade Jimoh

S's (4) - Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Pierson Prioleau, Reed Doughty

SPECIAL TEAMS

LS (1) - Ethan Albright

K (1) - Shaun Suisham

P (1) - Derrick Frost

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Up at work....

Peri,

I see both MB and TC kept at QB with Palmer to practice squad

I hope they go with 2 fullbacks, not three. Would rather have another versatile back/return man (? Mason). Plus Rock Cartwright can bang a bit as an FB if needed, I think. I am not sure Rock makes it though. Just a gut feeling but I do really like him.

I don't know about the 5th WR or 2nd TE.

DL -What about Wilson? Will he clear waivers to make practice squad? I actually see one of the vets getting cut (as do you). This is going to be a hard decision who to keep here.

Redskins.com has a Sartz jersey for sale on its homepage, for what it's worth. I do think K Campbell is up against it with the young talent that they'll lose if they try to practice squad them.

Some tough decisions, for sure...For you 53, who do you have doing kickoff/punt returns? ARE? That would be reasonable. What about Eubanks or Mason? I think Ade Jimoh is likely gone in favor of a special teams LB. Can't see both him and K. Campbell making it. Again, just a hunch.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 27, 2007 2:15 AM | Report abuse

CCF,

I agree that trading picks can..."become a never ending cycle of giving up draft picks for perceived needs, needing draft picks to develop/add depth but not having them, having a need, giving away future draft picks to meet perceived urgent need, begin cycle again."

However, I don't think every traded pick should be considered the same as recent past fleecings (ie. Ducket, Brunell, or even Baily and a two). For every bad move - and there have been plenty - there have also been good decisions in the early rounds. One example: Sean Taylor and then later Cooley instead of picking K. Winslow Jr. Okay, so maybe for every two or three bad moves there have been some good decisions.

Furthermore, losing a 4th round pick every year would be fine for me if you can add a starter that fits an immediate need for one or two years. Fourth rounders, especially when consider who is picking don't often make any contribution whatsoever.

Facts following

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Most recent 4th rounders from the 'skins:
2005 Manuel White
2001 Sage Rosenfels
2000 Mookie Moore
1999 Nate Stimson

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 2:39 AM | Report abuse

I reckon Yoder gets in over either Schmidt/Beasley.

Posted by: kost52 | August 27, 2007 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Same periord of time from the Ravens draft:

2007
4 134 Antwan Barnes LB Florida International
4 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama

2006
4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon
4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech

2005
4 124 Jason Brown C North Carolina

2003
4 109 Jarret Johnson DE Alabama
4 134 Ovie Mughelli FB Wake Forest

2002
4 112 Dave Zastudil P Ohio U.
4 123 Ron Johnson WR Minnesota

2001
4 126 Edgerton Hartwell LB Western Illinois

1999
4 105 Brandon Stokley WR Louisiana-Lafayette
4 129 Edwin Mulitalo G Arizona

Incidentally, the Ravens only had four picks in 1999.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 2:46 AM | Report abuse

The Ravens still have all there fourth rounders from the past four drafts except Mughelli picked in 2003. (Cuts possibly coming)

Also according to the Ravens website, Brown is the starting LG - converted from center - and J. Johnson is the first team SLB.

Definitely better at picking in the fourth round than our team. But until there is someone who can pick something consistent from the middle rounds, why roll the dice?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 3:01 AM | Report abuse

I reckon Fox gets in over Doughty.

Posted by: kost52 | August 27, 2007 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Peri,

I was sure you were going to put Priest Holmes as our 5th WR. ;)

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Kost,

Cashew Chicken is the worst undefeated team in the history of fantasy sports!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 3:13 AM | Report abuse

"Some tough decisions, for sure...For you 53, who do you have doing kickoff/punt returns? ARE? That would be reasonable. What about Eubanks or Mason? I think Ade Jimoh is likely gone in favor of a special teams LB."

Fairly certain it will be Rock Cartwright and Randle El returning kicks again. Eubanks or Westbrook could sneak in ahead of Jimoh. But he is supposedly having a good camp. Mason goes to the practice squad. I still think they get rid of either Brunell or Collins and don't keep both. Palmer holds the clipboard.

I think my 53 incorporated all the LB's they will likely keep but you are right they might replace Jimoh for Tank. More likely to see a defensive lineman dropped for Tank. That seems more likely to me. I agree I think they are going to try to keep as many of those linebackers as they can.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 3:22 AM | Report abuse

Noting here that former 1st round pick of the Skins, Ron Gardner WR, was an early cut for the KC Chiefs.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 3:24 AM | Report abuse

"I was sure you were going to put Priest Holmes as our 5th WR. ;)"

Priest Holmes is still on KC's roster albeit 10 deep on the depth chart. 1st round draft pick wide receiver Rod Gardner was an early cut for KC.

You can do worst at wide receiver than Priest Holmes. LOL

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 3:26 AM | Report abuse

-- ECKER TO INJURED RESERVE

The Redskins have officially placed rookie tight end Tyler Ecker on injured reserve.

The team had waived Ecker last Thursday following the acquisition of offensive lineman Pete Kendall. Once Ecker cleared waivers, he could be placed on the Redskins' injured reserve list.

Ecker was the Redskins' seventh-round draft choice last April. He suffered a groin injury early in training camp and never made it back to the practice field.

(from Redskins.com)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Hi Guys,

That last post was from us!

We don't see the Sartz jersey on Redskins.com. Is it possible that it has been pulled, or maybe different pages load at different times?

Posted by: The Crickets | August 27, 2007 3:44 AM | Report abuse

periculump,

Please, spare us the dramatics. Trading away a fifth round pick for a starter who fills an immediate need is not "mortgaging the future."

You need to reserve a phrase like that for something involving multiple, early round picks, like the trade for Campbell.

Incidentally, what does "mortgaging the future" actually mean? Don't all mortgages involve future payments for present needs? Isn't the phrase redundant?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Talent Evaluator come to the Blog the same time Nate left?

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 27, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

4th I thought TE is KK.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

NYC Update:

The NYC media is skewering the Jets for the Kendell trade. Their line Saturday night got ripped open. The converted tackle they plugged in is no where near ready. Everybody is saying "how do you trade a pro bowl caliber gaurd for a 5th round pick this close to opening day"

They also are getting killed for not restructuring his contract.

No talk of painkillers. botched snaps or him getting "cut anyway"

Posted by: chris larry | August 27, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

MAJOR scientific discovery -- its my very own hometown! It was only a matter of time before the scientific community recognized Cleveland. http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/astronomers-find-huge-hole-in-universe/20070825162909990001

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse

When new challenges and opportunities show up in our lives, we may diagnose ourselves as feeling scared when what we really feel is excited. Often we have not been taught how to welcome the thrill of a new opportunity, and so we opt to back off, indulging our anxiety instead of awakening our courage. One way to inspire ourselves to embrace the opportunities that come our way is to look more deeply into our feelings and see that butterflies in our stomach or a rapidly beating heart are not necessarily a sign that we are afraid. Those very same feelings can be translated as excitement, curiosity, passion, and even love.

There is nothing wrong with being afraid as long as we do not let it stop us from doing the things that excite us. Most of us assume that brave people are fearless, but the truth is that they are simply more comfortable with fear because they face it on a regular basis. The more we do this, the more we feel excitement in the face of challenges rather than anxiety. The more we cultivate our ability to move forward instead of backing off, the more we trust ourselves to be able to handle the new opportunity, whether it's a new job, an exciting move, or a relationship. When we feel our fear, we can remind ourselves that maybe we are actually just excited. We can assure ourselves that this opportunity has come our way because we are meant to take it.

Framing things just a little differently can dramatically shift our mental state from one of resistance to one of openness. We can practice this new way of seeing things by saying aloud: I am really excited about this job interview. I am really looking forward to going on a date with this amazing person. I am excited to have the opportunity to do something I have never done before. As we do this, we will feel our energy shift from fear, which paralyzes, to excitement, which empowers us to direct all that energy in the service of moving forward, growing, and learning.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 7:54 AM | Report abuse

CL I posted Saturday talking about how bad that line looked.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

cL, interesting information, but you're drifting "off message" b/c it suggests that the Skins' FO might have done something right ... and, especially recently on the blog, FO bashing is bread-and-butter blog filler. Suggesting the Skins' FO made the right move takes away a favored pasttime; its like saying a body can't lock the bathroom door to go "number 3."

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I have said, that while the Kendall trade smacks of the old way of doing business, I thought it was a smart move by the FO, given the current circumstances. As a matter of fact, i think that they have made some very shrewd moves this off season and were very restrained compared to years past (not falling for th Briggs trade comes to mind - what a disaster that would have been).

But it does fit a pattern that I hope doesn't go on forever. And I agree that not all trades are equal (but you don't often realize that until after the fact). I will be a bit bugged if Kendall isn't playing for us in 2009 and we have to give up 2009 4th roudn pick. Isn't that reasonable? Like all the dead cap money that I am SURE we are / were tops in the league at...

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 27, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

CaroCanesFan if I am not mistaken. He is only making 1.7 or 1.3 in 2009

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 8:12 AM | Report abuse

JM--

You outed me!

4th--

I changed so that Jasno would quote me frequently in his blog. "An NFL talent evaluator said..." Wish I could do it as gracefully as Nate!

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Who me? LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Those who have nothing better to do than troll the comment section of this website...........are just pathetic. I'm sure you all can find a message board or one where nothing negative is ever written about the redskins ever. Don't you think Jason would look a little foolish if he DIDNT write about the skins starting a rookie undrafted O-Lineman?


Jason you are the best. Thanks for covering the beat for the post, I've always enjoyed your blog and hope to in the future.

Posted by: Justin | August 27, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

All things being equal, I think vets have an advantage over rookies to survive the roster cuts due to the storm-shortened second half. Among other guys, I think Prioleau firmly established himself as the #3 safety with the hit on Boller.

I remember that there were some snaps where they had Phillip Daniels moved from DE to DT. Was anyone paying attention to how he did there?

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

From pft:

"BRIGGS' LAMBORGHINI FOUND CRASHED, ABANDONED

WSCR radio in Chicago reports that a black Lamborghini owned by Bears linebacker Lance Briggs has been found crashed and abandoned. Briggs reportedly was seen running from the scene of the one-car accident. ...."

>>> What was the name of that NASCAR driver who wrecked his SUV driving home, crawled out, snuck home, and "slept it off" in the pool house?

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

What's the worst that could happen this year?

The Redskins win the Super Bowl and then believe that the way they roll is the right way.

Good news, you won the Super Bowl.
Bad news, no GM for the lifetime of the owner.

Those who hate the FO structure can't possibly root for a Super Bowl as that would certainly end any speculation of a FO change. Then again they would be happy with fact that they could mope and complain about how their favourite sports team doesn't get it.

All I'm saying is, like it or not this is the way the 'skins function. Change is not going to happen. It is as likely as Priest Holmes being sent to the Redskins and becoming the #2 WR. The only solution is to hope this team catches lightning in a bottle and wins despite of its moves.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

CaroCanesFan--

Let it drop, already. Jason reported that he's under contract for 2007 for $2.7 million and for 2008 for $2.3 million. He's not under contract for 2009. So what? There's no signing bonus, so there can't be dead money. And a fourth round pick in 2009 is valued the same thing as a fifth round pick in 2008. It's like saying what would you rather have, a $10 bill or two $5 bills?

My own hunch, from what I read on the web, is that if he's not extended for another year in 2009 then he's going to be a Redskins coach. He's got an excellent record with the Jets developing young players.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Those who have nothing better to do than troll the comment section of this website...........are just pathetic.

Posted by: Justin | August 27, 2007 08:51 AM

Justin--Are you having self-esteem issues?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Nice backpedaling, Caro.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

scskinsfan,

I stood up and sent in a guest blog. Was waiting for inspiration, and I thought of something.


Not much of an arguement discussion starter, more of a plea to Redskins Nation.

We will see if Jasno posts it.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

From a Detroit Lions blog:

According to a Pat Kirwan story about the money paid to players no longer on that team because a new coach cleans house, (aka "dead money") the Detroit Lions are paying 16 wide receivers in 2007, and that doesn't include Calvin Johnson.


July 3, NFL.com: A quick look at the Detroit salary cap, and you quickly realize the Lions have used a lot of salary-cap space to figure out the position -- and they haven't even signed Calvin Johnson yet. On the 2007 books, there are 16 wide receivers using up cap space. Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Corey Bradford are no longer on the team but will eat up $10,229,720 of space this season (close to 10 percent of the cap). When Johnson finally signs his contract, the Lions will have close to $28 million in wide receivers alone. Throw in the dead money Ross Verba, James Hall, Dre Bly, Josh McCown and Marcus Pollard represent (a combined $6.4 million), and you can see the cost of getting a roster corrected.

It's interesting to note the emotional state of the present Lions players -- remember Jon Kitna's 10-win prediction? -- is at an all time high. No one seems to miss any of the departed players

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

Kudos to anyone who submits a glog after the thrashing Tommy took (I feel guilty about joining the pile-on).

You have a huge amount of RI cred, and I look forward to reading it.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 27, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

John Keim in the Examiner regarding CP:

How ready can the running back be for the start of the season? It's one thing not to play during the preseason, like LaDainian Tomlinson. It's another to not even practice. [Split infinitive for Sween] Players talk about being in football shape: the only way you get there is by, at the least, practicing. Portis's health has improved, but one problem he had last summer was getting in sync with the offense after missing almost the entire preseason. And, last summer he had practiced for the first two weeks.

I've got to say, I haven't been feeling very good about Portis. How does it affect the rest of the team to be "working their guts out" while the RB is riding with his feet up? I suppose he earned the benefit of the doubt in his first two years.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Zeeb,

If Jasno doesn't post it, just put it up on the next thread. I'm sure you'll have more to say that his last few posts. Hopefully he's working on a "What we learned" post, which will be good and will give us something to discuss. But if it's another of his injury reports, then put yours up.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I think that for a better perspective on the whole Kendall thing, check out some of what the NY papers have been saying. The Jets mgmt is getting skewered on this one. Maybe I'm late to the party on this, but I think this was a great trade. The Jets are looking foolish on this, especially since their replacements played so very poorly on Saturday versus the Giants.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 27, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

KtKe, I'm actually OK with split infinitives -- like one of the best opening lines in TV history, "To boldly go where no man has gone before ..."

I read somewhere that Portis was running in and around cones, which sounded like working toward being able to make cuts. The WaPo reports mostly say he is running "straight." While I do hope this is bluff (and that the closed practices do get CP involved), the extent of his injury is my biggest fear about this season.

I was looking forward to the two back combo like every other solid rushing team this season, but right now, my fear is that the Skins' two back combo doesn't play in the same game, i.e., Betts gets hurt midway in season, and Portis isn't really ready to get back onto the field till then anyway. That said, I figure Portis could carry the team through December. [November is the ugly part of the schedule anyway.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Anyone read the Pucillo article? Wow, actually some postivity by Camille Powell. I, for one, am glad Pucillo is quietly entrenched as a backup on the line. A starting G, C, or T will go down this season and Pucillo will step right in.

Thanks for not bashing a Redskins player who is working his guts out, Camille.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 27, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

SCSF, though Pucillo is willing to do whatever they want, I'd think they'd want Wade or Heyer to step in at tackle before Pucillo.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I told Jasno to post it when news is slow, not right after a player update or something that would be a thread killer.

The power was out for the game where I live. But from what I saw ;L2 loves to play the game and loves to hit peeps, Rocky Mac has a lot of potential, and like it was said earlier, had to contain the WR there with L2 outside instead of going for the kill shot.

Someone should sit him and the reaper down to watch LA higlights and missed tackles.

Of course it really does not help Reaper when Grilliams S'es his D so badly... oh well, maybe one hitman on the d if everyone else plays right can work

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth. The Redskins have 6.8 million in dead cap space according to: http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

Mostly Arch Deluxe but a surprising 213K to one Manuel White the 'skins last 4th round pick.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 27, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Portis is fine. Barring injury (a new one, because he is fine right now), he's going to have a career year. Don't buy into the two back crap. I know Gibbs has talked about it, but its just misdirection and flattery for Betts, who is a "core Redskin." I think they like Betts if Clinton goes down, but Clinton is their horse and Betts will be used to spell him only when necessary.

CAREER YEAR

Posted by: Mike H. | August 27, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

What's up with Lavar? Is he on IR? I just ran a quick check and can't find anything.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 27, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

talent

The players have a lot of respect for CP ....they know when it counts he lays it all out there....he will get the ball 300+ times and be hit on almost every play no need for him to do anything now.

Posted by: Old School | August 27, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

LaVar is unemployed SC.. no team has signed him and his playing days may be over from the motorcycle accident... unless you were being sarcastic, then I say Kudos

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

CP is fine. The only thing of concern is how sore he will be after the first game. Other than that just get ready for him to have a great season.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Greg(Boston)--

4th posted a link to one of the New York papers Friday, and I nosed around Saturday trying to answer Sween's (and my) question "Why did the Jets put Kendall in the rookie dorm?" ["honest mistake"--Mangini]

You are exactly right -- the Jests blew this one big time and they put themselves in a world of hurt. I think that's why the 'Skins have so many ex-Jets, they treat their players badly.

I found a very interesting quote from Laveraunes Coles in the New York Times:

"The great thing over there I would say is they're going to take care of the guys," Coles said. "That's the type organization they have. They take care of the players. It's a players-first organization. Everything's first-class. I'm sure it's a great situation for him." http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/24/sports/football/24kendall.html?_r=1&n=Top%2FReference%2FTimes%20Topics%2FSubjects%2FF%2FFootball&oref=slogin

You don't read that often on this blog, and I've never seen it in Jasno's columns.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Mike H., are you saying that St. Joe is blowing smoke about using two backs? or that the idea of two back combos is crap?

If the latter, then I disagree b/c the NFL seems to be trending that way, if only for durability of a rushing attack purposes: MacAlister/Bush; Drew-Jones/Taylor; Foster/Williams; Maroney/Morris; Barber/Jones; Dunn/Norwood; etc.

If its the former, I have no views.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, the missed kill shot was Sean Taylor leaping to remove McNair's head.* Rocky just over-committed on the Mason TD pass.

* If Taylor had connected, McNair easily could have broken his neck.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Sween, I assumed Rocky want to kill the WR since he should have seen his fellow defenders. Maybe he is just over-eager to make plays to prove himself.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"POSTED 9:20 a.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 10:13 a.m. E.D.T, August 27, 2007

JAGUARS CUT WIGGINS, SORENSEN by Michael David Smith

PFT has learned that the Jacksonville Jaguars have cut tight end Jermaine Wiggins, safety Nick Sorensen and linebacker/defensive end Jorge Cordova.

Wiggins was a free agent signing who played for the Vikings last year. Sorensen was heading into his fourth season with the Jaguars. Cordova was the Jags' third-round pick in 2004.

Jaguars assistant head coach Mike Tice had previously coached Wiggins when Tice was the head coach in Minnesota, and Tice was said to have pushed for the signing of Wiggins to a one-year, $1 million contract this off-season.

Wiggins was shaken up after a big hit in the Packers' preseason game at Green Bay last week and was reported to have suffered a concussion. He also had a key drop in the game.

"

Is Wiggins worth a look see? I see why not? Give him 1 year Vets Min........

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"WSCR radio in Chicago reports that a black Lamborghini owned by Bears linebacker Lance Briggs has been found crashed and abandoned.

Briggs reportedly was seen running from the scene of the one-car accident."

Not getting this guy is already paying off.

Posted by: Steve | August 27, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I know Wiggins is a big boy who can block and catch.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I wanted to wait for a new thread to post this, but since none seems forthcoming...

Guess who I heard on the AM down here in Miamuh? Charley Casserly! boy, what some of ya wouldn't give to get him back in the FO, eh?

It was good to hear objective FO analysis for a change. He actually called the skins his 'dark horse' for the Conference. woo hoo! He praised JC and the Kendall trade. Now, maybe he's a bit of a homer... but still - good to hear!

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

i disagree with Jasno's impression that the "kill shot" play was a bad play by Seantay.

1. mcnair is a pretty big dude.
x. seantay did get a piece of him and mcnair did go down because of his hit.
v. i say let seantay do his thing. they got LL to do everything by the book. that D needs a maveric.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Now would be a good time for JLa to post my guest blog, before any news from Redskins Park.

This thread was started at 12 am sun morning...

But maybe JLa doesnt want to post it since it was a blog to implore the fans... which could result in wins, and maybe Jla doesnt want that?

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Some of us lust for mayhem. LMGO So don't try to control the Reaper.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

littery--Yeah, the kill shots are beautiful (when they work) aren't they? My own view is that a defense with 11 men who play as a team is more threatening than a defense with 10 men and a maverick. I wonder what the coach thinks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I like Jason's work quite a bit but I think he simply got it wrong comparing the defenses when he said:

"Baltimore's defense bottled them up and Washington's defense was okay again, but the lack of pressure and inability to force a turnover by the starters is beyond ridiculous now."

The game tape tells the following about the first-string defenses that played the first half:

RAVENS gained 122 yards and had 7 points
SKINS gained 120 yards and had 6 points

Additionally, the Ravens (and especially their defense) were flagged for many penalties leading to additional yardage not counted above which might have resuled in more points had we actually had our starting qb in there.

The defenses played to about as close to a draw as you could get. They were within 1 point and 2 yards of each other.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | August 27, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Packers looking to deal kicker to Giants or Cowboys?
As the kicking battle between Dave Rayner and Mason Crosby reaches its conclusion, the Green Bay Packers know much more about who will be interested in offering a trade proposal. The teams most likely to be interested in a kicker appear to be the New York Giants, Atlanta Falcons and Dallas Cowboys. The ultimate scenario for the Packers would be if the Giants and Cowboys both decide they want one of Green Bay's two kickers. Getting two teams in the same division to bid against one another could result in the Packers getting far more than they ever thought. -- Journal Sentinel

"

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

littery, I'll check it again. I remember Sean Taylor whiffing (maybe getting an arm on the shoulder pad) and that it was a couple of other guys who actually got McNair down. Jasno called it a "bad habit" to go for the low percentage kill shot rather than a midsection tackle to strip the ball. I'm with jm220, though ... my lust for mayhem prefers the kill shot (except when it maims someone ... its all fun and games till someone loses a vertebra).

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Everyone seems to be drinking KoolAid (except Talent Evaluator) when talking about CP. News flash, he wasn't in top form last year and have not done anything this year. It's crazy to say he will have a career year when we haven't even seen him on the field. I hope I am wrong, but I am truly skeptical.

I also do not agree with those who think its wise not to play him during the preseason because he might get injured. It's football, if you are not ready when the real games come, you are far more likely to get injured. Atleast, make the guy take a few snaps like everyone else. The diva treatment he is receiving stinks.

Posted by: Stop with the Kool Aid | August 27, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Eagles Gaither stumbling early in Trotter's shoes
Omar Gaither's tenure as the Eagles' middle linebacker technically begins Sept. 9 in Green Bay, Wis. The kindest thing to be said about last night's dry run against the Steelers is that it's a good thing Gaither's tenure really begins in two weeks. All the usual preseason disclaimers apply. The Eagles weren't running the full defensive game plan they would in the regular season. Of course, neither was Pittsburgh. There is no way to watch one of these half-hearted exhibitions and translate the performance level to real-game intensity. Nevertheless . . . You know Gaither would have loved to make a statement just five days after his predecessor, four-time Pro Bowler Jeremiah Trotter, was abruptly released. With a strong performance, he could have helped allay concerns of teammates and fans about a possible drop-off in the center of the defense. "It felt like a regular-season game," Gaither said. "I just had to go out and play solid, play my role." For now, at least, those concerns remain very much alive. -- Philadelphia Inquirer

"

I don't see the band-aid Eagles doing anything this year..........

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

sween, no i rember it vividly. seantay does not whiff. and he didn't on this one. his shoulder hit mcnair's shoulder area and got mcnair to go down as if someone was sliding into second base.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I definitely meant the former. The two back system works (although you don't have to do it that way if you have a premier guy). It's just that my read of Gibbs (and Bugel, and to a lesser extent Saunders) is that he is really enamored with Portis's big play ability. I think they are comfortable with Betts and think they can win with him, but they know if Portis is healthy he could break a few for 60-80 this year which will really help our young QB. Betts also has a slight fumbling problem and you know hoe Gibbs is about that. Betts will play when Ports says he needs a breather, but they are never going to replace Portis with Betts just for a change of pace on a given series or play.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 27, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

4th -- Good stuff you're putting up. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

ummmmmm CP was hurt last year. what we sayin is that he is healthy this year so he'll have a good year.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

testing - 10:58 am... ZZZzzz

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Thank you 4th,

I have been saying the same thing.

Us and the Girls will battle it out for NFC east supremacy with one team having only one or 2 less wins.

Eagles will be okay around .500, Giants will fall flat. They have looked okay in preseason, but they relied a lot on Tiki, and without him Eli will have to step up. So it will be all on his shoulders, in a high pressure town. He has yet to handle it, I dont think with more on the line now he will suddenly get it, but who knows.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with Stop's second point ... the risk of re-injury to a top player, whether its CP, Springs, Washington, or whoever is just not feeling 100% means that keeping a player out of an exhibition game is just smart coaching, as in chapter one titled "duh". [That said, I assume LaDanian is taking snaps in practice at full speed, so whoever is ready to do that should.]

I'm also all for limiting the exhibition games down to two (maybe add another scrimmage) ... or maybe compensatory picks for loss of star players injured during a preseason game.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Titans loaned RB child support
Posted: Monday August 27, 2007 07:13AM ET
The Titans had no comment Sunday about a published report that they loaned former running back Travis Henry $9,800 for child support payments. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Henry fell behind on support payments for a child in DeKalb County, Ga. Threatened with jail, he borrowed the money from the Titans to pay the bill, according to court records. The newspaper reported that Henry, 28, has fathered nine children by nine women in Tennessee, Florida, North Carolina and Georgia. Court records show that he spent $100,000 for a Mercedes and $146,000 for jewelry.

Tennessean
"

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The deal is CP will not have to take the pounding b/c we have a 1B style back....so garbage time/kill clock with a lead...short yardage etc he will have help and hopefully keep him healthy to hit homers, scare defenses and now we can game plan broader...

The March to 1000 yards each baby!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

ummmmmm CP was hurt last year. what we sayin is that he is healthy this year so he'll have a good year.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 10:56 AM

If he is healthy, then why hasn't he taken a snap?

Posted by: Stop with the KA | August 27, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think w/ CP it's definitely a little o' both.

He had an injury. He remembers last season (so does the team). So why tempt fate?

Do people forget HOW he got injured last year - going for it all... He's from The "U" - if he can produce, he will. All heart.

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

littery, I watched it again. At nfl.com, its the second of the three clips that has it, and they have a slo mo. I'm sayin he didn't get his own shoulder onto McNair. That's my story and I'm stickin to it. Another two inches to the right, though, and McNair has a dislocated throwing shoulder. Sean Taylor was airborne and nearly horizontal six feet off the ground.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"I disagree with Stop's second point ... the risk of re-injury to a top player, whether its CP, Springs, Washington, or whoever is just not feeling 100% means that keeping a player out of an exhibition game is just smart coaching, as in chapter one titled "duh"." by 'Sween

'Sween, I agree and stand corrected. All I am saying is that we can't seem to make up our minds whether he is healthy and ready to go or not. If he is healthy, he should take some snaps--not a lot but enough to get his feet wet again. If he is not, then we can't claim he will be in top from and ready to go. Right now and until I see it otherwise, I don't think he is the RB that showed up in 2005. Again, I hope I am wrong.

Posted by: Stop with the KA | August 27, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I love how someone was talking about Charley Casserly and getting him back. Charley took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. I think we have a better chance with Vinny then this idiot. One of the top, if not the top, worst move ever in the nfl draft and for doing it should never get another chance in the league, ever.

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 27, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

We've got less than two weeks to kickoff and something like 8,500 comments to reach the Boren Penultimatum, right?


"It's a hundred and six miles to Chicago. We got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."

"Hit it."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

RETURN OF THE DEPUTY!!!! wooooo hoooooo!

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Th Return!!!!

Uncle Spence...Taking Williams was ordained by owner not Casserly...

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Uncle - he has three superbowls, doesn't he?

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Peter King (sween's fave) out this morning saying the HOF has changed the selection rules and "My guess is that Monk and Tippett, of the candidates who have been on the bubble in the past few years, have the best shot of breaking through in 2008."

He's also talking up the prospects for a 17-game season with fewer pre-season games.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/2.html

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

he aint practicing cuz he's cool like that like that that that that

but you know what scares me...here we is 2 years into this 900 page playbook and the O still looks like shti. can we please flush it down the toilet???? Joe's O produced WITH MARK BRUNELL!

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If it was totally by the owner, wouldn't they of taken vince young?

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 27, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

littery--We're only one year into the playbook. Joe recognized that his own offense wouldn't get it done, and I trust him on this. Part of the problem is that we don't have the right players (as in receivers) and the ones we do have aren't on the field. Saunders got it done everywhere else; give him some time here.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

littery,

IMHO... not practicing when healthy = not cool like that that that.

Posted by: Stop with the KA | August 27, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

littery, calm it down, brother.

Just as Grilliams gets a do-over for last season's poopy D because of his track record (especially 2004 and 2005 with us), Saunders deserves a chance this season, after everybody's had a year to learn the O, especially his QB.

And it hasn't been two years, dude, it's been two offseasons, most of two preseasons, and one regular season... during much of which Brunell was the QB.

And it's not 900 pages, it's 750.

And this should have been like three or four comments. Shaking off the rust.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Monday morning wish list:

1. Two series on Thursday with Samuels/Kendall/Campbell/Portis in there, just one or two first downs, just to know that they can get it done -- one series to knock the rust off, the other is "the preseason" as far as I care.
2. Nate posting some of the estimated 4,096 comments that he missed during his prolonged absence. He may have had tendonitis of the left index finger, but he's no Clinton Portis.
[That's only true because he chose to be the deputy instead of Sheriff Gonna Getcha...]

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Uncle Spence he wanted Bush and got over ruled by the owner. Which I think is one of the reason he left. Or it would be a reason I would want to leave. No way I would take the heat for that move.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

And the O doesn't have to be world-beaters, they just have to be competent -- sustain drives, convert third downs, be efficient in the red zone, minimize mistakes -- if the D looks as good as it has so far.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

[continuing the wish list...]
Q. A NEW POST

(do we still do the dealer numbering system?)

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"1. Two series on Thursday with Samuels/Kendall/Campbell/Portis in there, just one or two first downs, just to know that they can get it done -- one series to knock the rust off, the other is "the preseason" as far as I care."

Amen cload...that's all I am asking for as well. I want to feel good about our running game, which I haven't in a while.

Posted by: Stop with the KA | August 27, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Enough with the playbook already. NFL Network this summer was talking about the average NFL offensive playbook being 500 or 600 pages long...do you really think another 150 or so make that much difference?

Posted by: Mike H. | August 27, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

cload, funny you should mention the injury bug, as I'm so out of shape that I tweaked my left shoulder lifting a salt shaker up to a shelf or something.

Blogging through the pain. It's on the team's report as 'upper body injury' to keep the other side guessing.

Even my 48-ounce jug of Kool-Aid has not alleviated the pain this morning. But it has made me super-hopeful about the upcoming season.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Some points for Charlie Casserly:

He started with the skins as an unpaid intern working for George Allen.

He put together the 'scab' team that won three games in the 1987 superbowl year.

Every GM makes mistakes. I would be happy to have Casserly back.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 27, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Vick speaking right now....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Besides, Bush still has a lot to prove. I am also for getting Cass back.

Posted by: Stop with the KA. | August 27, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Peter King (sween's fave) ...."

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:19 AM

Dude, that is like bloglibel, but I do love his change of tune about Monk, even if he didn't come around to it till AFTER HE WAS OFF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE!

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

So in a week-long new home unpacking process, it's the salt shaker that proves to be your undoing?

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

During my blog sabbatical (blabbatical?) I never thought about posting under someone else's name, but I did consider a permanent handle change to make a fresh start up here. But I don't want to confuse my loyal haters.

... and of course the blog's not about me, it's about you.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Great to have you back Nate

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Vick might be in serious hot water... this Judge has his fate in his hands

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070827/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_plea

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Talent Evaluator come to the Blog the same time Nate left?

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 27, 2007 07:34 AM

4th--

See, the real Nate's back. Compare any two of his posts to any two of mine and it's painfully obvious that I'm no Nate. But I am flattered by the vague implication that I could have been. I think I'll tell my kids at dinner tonight. They'll be proud.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Nate, while you were out (not sure if you picked this up through lurking), KK became talent evaluator, a new poster named farstriker came up with an alphanumeric code to standardize repetitive blog griping, and "lust for mayhem" has become a new blog motto (and glue) for what we want from the D.

There's probably more than that -- because most of that was only from last week -- but you know about the attention span of an RI blogger and all.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

yeah Bush has alot to prove...we'll see what your saying around week 6 and if you still have that tone

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 27, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Nate--

I remember your three tries as "He Nate Me" and that you nearly broke out in hives.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey KoolAid! Ohhh yeahhh.

The skins are going to have to set up the run w/ the pass to start out this season. The line still needs to gel & there's no way the RB's are going to be firing on all cylinders.

Given that, there's no reason NOT to be optimistic 'cause you have no evidence to the contrary - you can't rate what you haven't seen.

Plus when they we're working (late last season... the season before, too) it was pretty formidable.

So other than the fact that it's monday and you still have a hangover, why be disgruntled? I'd rather be... gruntled!

Oh & can we stop referring to Joe Gibb's offense?? I thought this was Weird Al's offense.

...double and... why does the kreepy white orc from "Return of the King" look just like Sloth from "Goonies"??

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised the obvious contraction hasn't been used Up Here:

L4M

I think if you signed 'Salt Shaker in the PDX', some of the regulars would eventually catch on.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

There are second acts in American public life, however rare, but I don't think Casserly is getting a second go-round in Washington because of Snyder. They didn't get along so well, did they? He was the first guy pushed out when Snyder bought the team, right?

As I recall, it was something of a race to fire either him or Norv first. Charley got the boot, and Norv got to stick around for 1.13 seasons.

So any Casserly-back-to-DC scenario relies on TWO things: we officially move to a GM front office structure, AND Snyder hires Casserly to be that guy. The first of those seems unlikely at the moment, and the combination of both is very hard to picture.

But then I'm not the guy holding the magic 8 ball. (SMACK?) I'm drunk on Kool-Aid and high on aspirin and jonesin' for the season to start...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I really like the dude and welcome him up here, but I can't help reading 'farstriker' as 'fartstriker.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line Casserly cant be blamed for Mario Williams...he was fall guy for that pick and was basically fired before.....

I blame him for running Gary Clark and Wilbur Marshall out of DC and casting them as "bad apples"

I still say if Casserly had beaten out Norv in Snyder year 1 we might be in better shape today...

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Nate's back!

OOOOOOOOOOOO YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

(jm can explain it, Nate)

Posted by: Macho Man (4-12) | August 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I thought farstriker might be redcoat... I think when I was gone I read later he said he was leaving the blog?

Wouldnt be the first time someone left and came back under a different name.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss the Draft? When is it?

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Les Carpenter do an article late last year on Casserly that ended with "Casserly's too smart to come here"?

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, I love the new moniker, it fits ya. I haven't seen Jasno quote you yet, but it's only a matter of time.

Keep bringing the heat, in that wry manner of yours which is somehow rueful and respectful at the same time. A good balance.

Maintaining blog harmony is job one if we're going to have a shot at the Boren Penultimatum. Though a little dose of News never hurts.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

There was a story in the Post a few years ago quoting Snyder making nice with Casserly. Snyder said to Casserly "I fired the wrong guy." Now, what do you make of that?

I don't think Casserly will ever be a GM again -- what he did in Houston wasn't distinguished, and aside from that brilliant stroke with Champ Bailey I don't think he was much more than okay here in Washington. Still, he was better than Norv who's gotten way too many chances.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Cyn Cyty, I think a NEW POST with the title 'Nate Lives' is in order here...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

In fact, let's call that my first glog...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Miami has the Dolphins,
The greatest football team!
We take the ball from goal to goal,
Like no one's ever seen!
We're in the air,
We're on the ground,
We're always in control.
So when you say Miami,
You're talking Super Bowl!

(Chorus 1)
Cause we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 1.

(Chorus 2)
Yes we're the Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins,
Miami Dolphins Number 1.

(Repeat, ad infinitem)

Well, seeing as everyone is playing nice again, I suppose I'd better come back and take my flak (dons red coat to make targeting easier).

Any of you guys going to the 9/9 game?

Oh, and F chRiS LarrY!!

Posted by: Redcoat as Redcoat | August 27, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Casserly likes TV...retirement lite and he is good at it....he wont be back to NFL....

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Righto, talent-e, I'd forgotten about that Snyder quote. But don't you think it's still a reach to think that Snyder would agree to change his front office structure (especially since Gibbs doesn't seem to be pushing for such a change) AND bring in Charley to be that powerful GM figure? That seems like a stretch.

Seems more likely that IF he decided to change the structure, Snyder would go for a gigantic, headlines-grabbing superstar hire like Scott Pioli or Bill Polina.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor, hey dude, if you meant the NFL Draft, it was a few months ago.

If you meant the draft in kost52's fantasy league, it's this Saturday evening. 7 or 7:30pm Eastern. I'll see what I can find out.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Redcoat - isn't that the Houston Oilers' song??

And Charley said he's happy on CBS/HBO - doesn't want to GM again.

just reminiscing - that's all.

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, you mean repeat Ad Nasuem, right? ;)

Welcome back.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

redcoat, since the shabingus will eventually hit the fan again, just make sure you check in in the late PM on occasion -- I need someone to follow through on the Python quotes... it's like I'm RockyMac and have the runner held up, and I'm waiting for the Reaper to deliver the wood!

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Did Jason get struck by lightening? What's going on? We got cuts coming, and there's nothing on here? How's JC's knee? How's CP's knee? Marcus' elbow? The Brunel trade talks?

Give me something!

Posted by: Jack | August 27, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat great to have you back man. If I help run you away sorry.

the lust for mayhem is going to take your O out son.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

No Z, I MEANT infinitem. I'm actually muttering it over and over under my breath as I type this - and will continue to do so until the end of time, or the day I die, whichever comes first.

Good to be back.

Oh, and watch out for the "paint pump" call on 9/9!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Well, now those are a lot of IFS. It depends on which Snyder we're talking about.

Snyder 1.0 (Jeff George era) would want a big name who's way over the hill. Sort of like the guy in Bubbalo, Marv Levy.

Snyder 2.0 (Joe Gibbs era) would want to hire all the GMs who come on the market and give them strange names like Major General Manager, Brigadier General Major, etc. So, Casserly might find a place in this line-up and so would anyone else who loses his job in the next three or four years.

Snyder 3.0 (post Gibbs) is beyond imagining.

No, I don't think we'll see Casserly again except on TV where I always enjoy what he has to say.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

On the fantasy league, from kost52: "The new Draft time is 7:45pm (US ET) on Saturday 1st September. So in Melbourne, that's about 9:45am Sunday 2nd September. For Andrew, I think it's 11:45pm Saturday 1st September in London. It's not a big deal if you can't make it for the live draft, if you are absent at draft time, your choices will be done automatically according to your rankings."

USA teams: dcsween, jm220, 4-12, 4th Floor, SMACK, Redcoat (honorary American for the purposes of this league), Stumped, Zebra, and me

AUS teams: kost52 and several of his Aussie mates

We should get tons of blog comments out of this inevitable shabingus of a league. I hope we make it not quite as insufferable to everyone else as possible.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Nate

To answer 4-12 post. One slow night on the blog some posted Iron Sheik going off. We gave everyone wrestling name. CL is also known as George The Animal Steel.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Much appreciated JM, but no-one actually ran me out of town, I left because it just wasn't much fun for a while. No one persons' fault, just the whole blog vibe went down the crapper for a few days IMHO.

That said I MUST meet CL sometime, I have a whole slew of medieval cusswords I want to use up on him in retaliation for his endlessly creative use of the f-word!! ;-)

CL, there's a beer with your name on it somewhere, sometime, you bring your'n and I'll bring mine'n.

Just looking forward to the game now. We finally showed some O in our last pre-season game, so there may actually be someone for the Redskins to tackle come 9/9. That said, I'd rather you guys were about game 3 than game 1, as it may be a LOT too early for our 'under 18' o-line.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Snyder 3.0 (post Gibbs) is beyond imagining.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 12:07 PM
*******************

*shudder*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe the U.S. Americans are unable to understand Portis's injury because some people out there in our nation don't have injuries and I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and the Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe they should our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa or should help the Iraq and Asian countries so we will be able to build up our injuries for us.

Posted by: Miss Teen South Carolina | August 27, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Hail, hail the gangs all here!

I'm trying to keep up...I've been impressed with talent evaluators post too, but I missed the handle change. What was the aka?

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat I would love to trade brews and insults F2F!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

coat, learn your 3rd string QB's name. so you can cuss at him for fumbling the snap, running scared when he sees seantay and passing to the peeps in red. cuz that'll be all that's left of your QB depth after the first quarter.

Posted by: little | August 27, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat you must not have heard about the D. Rocky Mac been stepping up. L2 is a straight beast and all that AMTTS said he was. The Reaper is the Reaper. I fear for Trent Green in this game.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

btw,

exhibit A for balmer's FO ineptness: Kyle Boller.
Exhibit 3: Giving Brian Billick a contract extension.
Exhibit 1: Bringing no one to challenge Mr. Mcnair.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

...but most warn you I will be highly dissapointing.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

LMGO,

So Miss TSC, you are stupid as brick. Just the kind of girl, who might be interested in a "position" (I've really left the door open...) at the Justice Department. I understand they're hiring. No previous experience required.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

re: snyder 3.0

so let's all pray for 14-2!

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Stumped--My maiden name was KK. I decided I could get quoted more frequently in Jasno's column if I changed to "NFL executive" or "talent evaluator" since those seem to be his chief contacts. Obviously I'm not an executive if I have time to post here, but jeez, don't we all evaluate talent?

Miss Teen South Carolina--

I think we've outsourced that to China, not South Africa.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Well if we're handing out wrasslin' names, I'll pick one of the old-time guys from the UK: Jackie "Mr TV" Pallo

http://www.hawkwindmuseum.co.uk/pallo3.gif

And would anyone else like to be this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMC9CI7EVNQ

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"...disappointing"

as long as you wear the gold socks and redskin crocs, disappointing is not the word.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

MTSC - are you sure you're not a Dallas fan?

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

and nate, it would help if you read the friggin 4000+ comments you missed before opening your mouth up here. i may think skins O is shty (out of sync) but i think they have a championship D. and A+ special teams. and faith in Coach Joe.

ergo 14-2.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

lmgo@miss teen!

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

TE/KK,
Nice switch...I guess that leaves " an anonymous source" open also very quotable.

It's funny though, now whenever I read stumped somewhere (infrequently), I always to a double take...
double take.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

JM, as far as I understand the way to beat RockyMac is just run the same play twice in a row, isn't it?

Although that would imply we could keep the same QB on the field for both plays, which with our o-line is NOT a given right now.

That said, you should be VERY afraid if our 3rd string QB gets on the field, he just may be the real-deal right now. Remember the name: John Beck, I think you're going to hear a lot about this guy.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's comforting. Fire dept at our building, supposedly a fire on one of the floors below us, and the fire alarm hasn't gone off.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 27, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The Dolphins won't have another decent QB for 100 years. It will go down in history as the curse of the Marino Bambino.

Posted by: Dan Marino | August 27, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I read every stinkin' word, littery gee. I just think you're going a little over the top in your anti-Al campaign especially since they haven't played one freakin' snap in a Real Game yet this season.

Nothing new under the sun given your proclivity for hysterics up here, brother. Cf, your vehement criticism of BBM and just-as-vehement support for the ol'ball coach.

I'm just sayin'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The Dolphins won't have another decent QB for 100 years. It will go down in history as the curse of the Marino Bambino.

Posted by: Dan Marino | August 27, 2007 12:29 PM

Well on the positive side, at least we only have 92 years to go then....

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And littery G, I LOVE the 14-2 prediction, by the way. Just so we're clear.

My OTC medicinal Kool-Aid (shoulder pain measuring about 3.6 as I type this) clearly has nothing on the pharmaceutical grade stuff you're quaffing.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate carrying a big stick I love it!

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Offensively we've had NOTHING to look at this pre-season.

I'm coked up on kool-aid, but....show me something. Maybe if Soup takes a few snaps this week...

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"...disappointing"

as long as you wear the gold socks and redskin crocs, disappointing is not the word.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 12:20 PM

If he really put that stuff on his wife needs to turn to him and just say beat down.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Crocs Rule
Nikes drool

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Crocs rule
Stingrays drool

Posted by: Steve Irwin | August 27, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Falcons owner: Terminating Vick not in team's best interest

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Stumped... anybody want to lay odds whether we see Soup doing more than playing catch on the sideline this Thursday?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

It sucks about the draft for fantasy. I have a wedding to attend. All in the name of charity, right?

I am feeling especially charitable this year!

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

20:1 against.

If he does they'll be so conservative, it'll be 3 and out.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I was waiting for someone to bring up Miss Teen South Carolina. God, that was awesome.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 27, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

They should put JC in for one drive and hand off to Betts on every play. Then let Brunell come in and do his swan song in Jacksonville. Everybody wins.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 27, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know where I can get some of those Redskins Crocs?

Posted by: gawnpostal | August 27, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cool Crocs | August 27, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

" ... Maintaining blog harmony is job one if we're going to have a shot at the Boren Penultimatum. Though a little dose of News never hurts."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 11:52 AM

.... and how is the "Return of the Deputy" not news?

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe MV Dame can look up the first time somebody called me Barney Fife up here. Rarely has a comparison been so apt. Anyway, it's an honor to serve this little community.

Speaking of which, where is MV Dame, and did nothing happen up here a year ago this past week? Haven't had any of those scintillating strolls down memory lane courtesy of Dame's "Today in RI History" wayback machine in a few days, have we?

Maybe he's busy putting together that "VH1 Behind the Blog" retrospective we were promised before the season.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Vick says: "Through this situation, I found Jesus."

Danny, let's give this young man a chance.

Posted by: Joe Jackson Gibbs | August 27, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

BTW;

If you are feeling angry, stressed or just down, listen to some Bob Marley.

On my last beach trip, it was awesome to unwind from the rat race and listen to his inspiration and mellow songs. But now that I am back, it is still providing relief.

Remember, No woman no Cry!

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins face the fourth hardest run schedule, but Clinton Portis is still worth a second-round selection if he's 100 percent. Where the offense could thrive is through the air, as it faces the fifth easiest pass slate. That's terrific news for Santana Moss, Chris Cooley and sleeper candidate Jason Campbell.

http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/story?id=09000d5d80025db3&template=with-video&confirm=true

Posted by: Schedule Analysis | August 27, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on QB playing time for this last preseason game, Diddy.

If the people of Jacksonville, swooning as their beloved Brunell skips passes on that field like the old days, should decide that they want him back immediately, that would be nice, too.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame is scolding his employee, Donald Graham, for CynCyty not keeping current on the blog tally.

All is quiet on the Ashburn front. St. Joe (who DOES get to have minions) and his minions are figuring out the math to get down to 75. The phone lines are whirring like no one's VOIP to figure who ELSE can get picked up elsewhere. The moles working in Dallas, NY, and Philly are scurrying to maintain deep cover. [Jasno has the day off to take the kids to the park ... the humidity has finally dropped below floodstage.]

Nate, other bits while you were out ... periculum is off his meds (unless you see a pig fly and/or Priest Holmes become Skins' #2 WR) ... and I'm preparing to pre-pay a bet that the Lions could win 8 games this year (few days where I was needing to break my meds in half myself).

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

tHE dAN, the man posing as Joe Gibbs and the game announcer,

I understand clearing the stands in the third quarter of the Ravens game but there weren't any more lightning strikes or even thunder that I could tell after the instigating strike. Me and my friends were waiting at the end of our tunnel, doing our best to entertain ourselves, looking out on the field the whole time wondering why we couldn't go back in. tHE dAN called the game in the third quarter after waiting for what seemed like 45 mins(they can blame it on Goodall but make no mistake that tHE dAN could've played out the game had he wanted to) of additional waiting in the tunnels. As far as I was concerned, the game was called on account of the rain and I was disgusted and embarrassed as a hometown fan. The decision to call the game was one of several mistakes made that night under given the circumstances, under the ever "watchful" eye of tHE dAN. At one point during the first wait, we laughed knowing that tHE dAN was gripped in indecisiveness over what to do. Hey, how about playing some decent music to wait by or at least mixing it up? At first when we joked about the elevator music being chosen during wait #1, it was pointed out to me that it was a deliberate choice in tunes as you couldn't have the fans getting fired up all crammed in to their concourses. I was lucky as I was in the club concourse (same amount of room - less people) but when we were finally allowed to our seats, the choice of music still stunk and I started screaming that I was gonna fall asleep. During the waiting periods, They couldn't even figure out to put any TV replays of glory days gone by - nothing?! Come on, there must be someone at the top of this organization that can stand in the pocket and make lemonade out of these lemons? The Raven fans were great. Hey, how about showing some replays of the last time we beat them in the regular season?! That would've been a good idea and exciting, not that hard to figure out on the spur of the moment. Hey here's a crazy idea, why not give the crowds something to cheer about like replays of any season highlights prior to tHE dAN taking over? Whoever did the stadium play by play announcements ought to go back to speaking at funerals. Was it a try out for new announcers or something? You've got to be kidding me?! We were laughing so hard at the guy's pitiful, totally uninspired (by anything positive) performance but at least he wasn't beckoning for third down cheers. Ok, I'm ranting, "pitching a fit", breaking some chairs but you know, our organization lacks life, excitement and most of all pride and self-respect. We've got some good guys but there are also-rans like Jansen, whom I see more and more as a cancer carry-over from the nORV-dAN years. What about Cerrato ( )? We had fun Saturday night despite the embarrassing circumstances and no thanks to - tHE dAN. Calling off the game lacked guts, enthusiasm, determination, commitment and nerve but I guess I shouldn't have been surprised given that's the environment The Dan has jeri-rigged for those of us earning money the hard way. Maybe our self-respect has been bottled up and sold for $7 a pop? Hey, it's cheaper than the beer. Now that's thinking out of the box dAN - way to go . . .

Sincerely - Through

Posted by: Not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess the really amazing thing about the weather situation Saturday is how infrequent are occurences like this.

For seventeen weekends we have fourteen or more games, most of them in open stadia, and I can't remember the last time there was something like what happened Saturday night. Yet you check the national weather and there's always bad weather somewhere. (Capt. Obvious channeling loco mullin.)

Even in college ball, with more like fifty games a week, it seems very rare to have such a serious weather problem that a game is cancelled.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone write an executive summary of the 1:16 rant? Not that I'm an executive, mind you, but I still can't get through that post.

Miss Teen South Carolina was more coherent, but I don't think she actually had anything to say.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

From the Skins' website: "The Redskins scored one TD in the 13-7 win over the Ravens, so that means you get two free toppings on a large pizza for $8.99."

Does Kool-Aid count as a topping? Seriously, last night's drubbing of the Eagles by the Steelers boosted my juice about the possibilities for Week 2.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

not a good fan...
Were you at the same game I was, that was the most horrific lightening I have seen, the damn bud light beer cart blew away in the upper deck. The TV's I was watching had weather highlights, redskins highlights, and one had the announcement get out of the stadium. The music if you listened all had the word rain it we thought it was kind of appropriate in the upper deck. My son and I had a great time, by the time they could have restarted the game it was bordering on midnight, there is a lot of money invested in those players to have them go back out on the field after essentially warming up twice and then a third time. I dont know we had fun

Posted by: connskins | August 27, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate--Aren't thunderstorms seasonal? And doesn't their season coincide with baseball season (and summer vacation travel) rather than football's? A few games have been rescheduled for hurricanes.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game, you have to be an idiot not to of left when the lightning struck and a whole bank of lights went out in the 3rd quarter, plus it wasn't his decision its all goodell's decision. They are also restricted on what they can say over the announcements to entertain you and when the rest of us were walking to our cars it was lightning, thundering and also pouring so who knows what you were looking at. Half the roads in dc were blocked by fallen trees so I guess it was probably good to end the game when it did.

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 27, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I cancelled the game. Not Dan Snyder. There are some things that THE DAN just can't control.

Posted by: God | August 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Besides, Joe came out against the whole in-and-out, in-and-out, which makes me think that Travis Henry will never be a core redskin...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Man that storm was spectacular. It sucked that we didn't get a glorious finish, but it was pretty tight sitting in the club level watching the storm. The cops finally made us leave.

Anyone see that guy run on the field and kiss the Redskins Emblem at mid field? That was brilliant. My roommate and I, almost followed suit but got some sense talked into us by his lawyer gf.

Great Times!

Hail!

Posted by: WaPoLive Fan16 | August 27, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Cload - That was good!

Posted by: CC | August 27, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

ohhhhhhhhhhh so that's how it's gonna be nataniel de portland...

yo ibtch as*^s compared apples to oranges when it compared weird al to double G. double G's track record HERE has been magnificent barring injury plagued year of last aka shabingus.

meanwhile YOUR lover, the weirdo has done the following:

a. the moment he walked in up here he started to boast about the size of his playbook and only you would know what he was trying to compensate for.
2. brought in TO wanna be Brandon Lloyd
x. P-ed off our best player on the offense, CP.
L. tried to blame it all on mark brunell.
f. and ohh yeah...STUNK up the joint with his friggin playbook. until st. joe said "move over weird al" last year.

10. IT IS THE FRIGGIN 2nd offseason, after like 20 games and the O plays like it has never seen a football before!!!! THE ONLY play they have is the go rout on the sidelines! WOOPTIE DOO!

AND he friggin called a trick play in a friggin PRESEASON game!!!! it's a big deal cuz it's a 4th down play. a 4th down play that everyone and their mother is now goign to be looking for come season.

I WANT JOE's offense!!!! so we can win some games up here!

okay...you've talked me down to 12-4! inspite of weird al! joe's not going to ruin a championship D cuz of weird al.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins: The Redskins face the fourth hardest run schedule. Where the offense could thrive is through the air, as it faces the fifth easiest pass slate. That's terrific news for Santana Moss, Chris Cooley and Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, you asked for some thoughts on the 9/9 game a while ago? Here are mine, for want of a new post - which will of course come just as I post this! :-) My gut feeling is that this game will be played in the trenches, but here's some background on keys 'Fins areas.

1. O-line: The Dolphins o-line is not so much a work in progress at the moment as "will you PLEASE stop trying to get the quarterback killed?". The guys there are good, but lacking in experience and real game time (sound familiar pre-Kendall?).

f. QB: Trent Green looks more at home with the offense in each game, and he looks less sketchy in every game - which is a surprise given 1. Cleao Lemon looks just fine, as a backup I'm happier having him than you should be having either Collins or noodle-arm. As stated previously, John Beck may just have it all, time will tell, but every time he gets in a game - srubs or no scrubs - he makes something positive happen, and he NEVER looks flustered.

G. Running Game: Ronnie Brown is beginning to look like he could have a breakout season, according to reports he's been "dumping Zach Thomas on his a$$" in blocking assignments at practice. As Ronnie is renowned for being a bit of a pu$$y with his blocking and general play, the fact that he is stepping up his game could be a very good thing. The runs I've seen him make so far remind me of (good) Natrone Means, so we'll see what the real games bring. Behind him, not so much. Chatman looks way off the pace, Lorenzo Booker - who he? Patrick Cobb, if he makes the roster, look out for him in a year or two, he could be good also.

7. Receivers/TE: Less said the better. David Martin is getting better, but so what. The real Chris Chambers will show up this year, but that's no help without someone else. Ted Ginn, nothing seen of him, so who knows.

#. Special Teams: Ours sucks.

%. Defense: Ranked 4th best in NFL last year, probably better this year. Secondary is still dodgy (although not as bad as some say) but with the pressure we get on the QB they don't need to be great, as the QB is almost always under pressure. And they pretty-much shut down the run against everyone they play. And I think Joey Porter plays on 9/9, at least some snaps.

So, to my mind, it will be come down to how composed will JC be when there are people flying at him from all angles in a rapidly collapsing pocket? And potentially exactly the same for Trent Green.

Campbell is younger/stronger, better at scrambling, but he still has a really slow delivery to my mind. Green has none of Campbell's physical prowess and may have the yips about being clattered again, but can get rid of the ball quick, as far as he needs to throw it, but only as long as he has someone to throw to.

So I would say the outlook slightly favours the Redskins, but not so much that the game won't hang in the balance all the way to the end. If it's a blow-out either way I'd be astounded as neither team looks like it's got an offense to run up lots of points, putting the Kool-Aid to one side for a moment.

Should be a lot of fun.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

littery take your meds. Things were going along nice and smooth.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Busy day. Take a moment to enjoy this, tho:

http://18to88.com/Articles/starwars2007.htm

Posted by: Cindy | August 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

cload, I left you hanging last night with the yugo and the monty python thing--sorry fell asleep in mid sentence

Posted by: connskins | August 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles suck. They have a very long and esteemed history of sucking. This year they will suck more than ever. They will suck so bad, we'll probably win both games against them this year.

But in our Eagles suck hubris, we need to be careful and not forget the sweet taste of victory when we play Dallas.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

connskins - me and my friends did have a good time. We did make the best of it but I truly thought from where we were, the whole thing could have been handled better. My incoherent rant was frustration based on my perception of how I blame tHE dAN for calling the game. I don't care how late it was if you're gonna call the game because it's inconvenient that sucks. Give me a break about the prima donna players not playing in the rain.

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

sorry, i should've broken that post up a little bit. like in 10 pieces.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Not a good fan...

A little white space helps. Or maybe break it up into a few posts. We have a blog count to consider.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 27, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Cyn can we get a new post?

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

no prob -- you really need 3-4 people Up Here yukking it up before it really matters... just remember that every successful blog is basically a forum for Monty Python jokes.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 27, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

CynCyty, you are the third to post that Star Wars NFL thing, but we appreciate the thought.

Also, Donald Graham works for MV Dame.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Redcoat for some things to look forward to and to look out for...

Here's to Regular Season Game Speed.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Trouble at mill.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

not a good fan;

Have you ever played sports? Any that were especially physical?

Ever heard of warm-ups, which the players had to do twice?

Ever heard of hamstring injuries? the #1 injury football players have?

Do you know what the hamstring muscle is responsible for doing?

What do you think would happen to a muscle if you warmed it up, then it cooled down, then you warmed it up again and put it under stress, then it cooled down again?

If you answer yes to any of these questions, then you know you would not want to do so a third time. It was a pre-season game.

Oh, and the lightning and 65,000 + fans the NFL shouldnt worry about, right? Plus 80 some players on each team, coaches, trainers, security, police officers, vendors?

Dont bring that weak stuff, if you are upset, boo for you. You sound like a crying ravens fan who wanted to salvage some dignity by resuming that last drive you had.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I say, mater, cabbage crates coming over the briny.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how late it was if you're gonna call the game because it's inconvenient that sucks. Give me a break about the prima donna players not playing in the rain.

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 01:46 PM

Yeah, bring them back out after another hour delay to stretch again, play, and then when they all pulled their hammie/hemmies, you'd be b!itching how stupid it was to start again. Of course, that assumes you surviving THE MASSIVE LIGHTNING STRIKES BLANKETING THE STADIUM!

Posted by: 4-12 | August 27, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

lust for mayhem

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Zebra - good stuff, really thanks for pullin' me in. No, I'm not a Ravens fan.

Collin's first pass was quite the gem huh?

Posted by: not s good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Redcoat for some things to look forward to and to look out for...

Here's to Regular Season Game Speed.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 01:53 PM

Any reciprocal thoughts guys? Any snippets of information that I can take back to my Lord Cameron of FLA? Cam sees all through the medium of the internets, and he schemes his schemes with fiendish precision.....

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

JJG presser in a half hour? Super-excited for that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Is this a five-minute argument or the full half-hour?

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This is a very interesting point of view. Hope all will read it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070827

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

there has to be some way for you guys to compare the massive lightening strikes to Sean Taylor like you have done in the past

Posted by: connskins | August 27, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

To compensate for canceling the rest of the second half, the League could have at least lashed Theisman to a lightning rod in mid-field. On the replay of the long pass from Collins to Santana on the side line, Theisman says, "we talked about the one thing you can't do is make mental mistakes and give up the big play ... and there's the big play." You can't script that kind of genius, incisive commentary.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: L3nto | August 27, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Who actually prefers TK over JT?

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that JM, important reading.

Did everyone see/hear Olbermann's piece at half-time last night? I thought he made some points that really needed to be said, but I nearly missed them because his delivery was so bad.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

" ... Any reciprocal thoughts guys? Any snippets of information that I can take back to my Lord Cameron of FLA? Cam sees all through the medium of the internets, and he schemes his schemes with fiendish precision ...."

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 01:58 PM

Yes, tell him that Landry is the weak spot of the secondary, and that he should target the safeties in pass plays generally, except that he should avoid Carlos "Shut Down" Rogers. Also, the middle of D is soft, so he can pretty much do whatever he likes on London Fletcher.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Lightning never strikes the same place twice. It's avoiding Sean Taylor.

...ok.. that was weak. NEXT!

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks L3nto - that's something I needed!


YEAH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Where is Janso? No new news?

Posted by: Dman | August 27, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

sween?

Just give it all away for nothing next time. Can't you make these guys work -- or at least beg -- for it?

Redcoat--

What's Miami planning now that the 'Skins have Kendall? Big hole in the O line for Miami that they thought the Jets would fill for them.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,
I'd like to give you some details, but all I know is what I read on the blog.

Suffice to say that it will be a defensive battle. The difference being that the Skins backers and secondary seem to be very strong. So the fins will be wise to bet on the running game.

The Redskins offensive is either non-existent or being carefully guarded. We probably won't know anything more until game day. Our success will probably depend upon whether or not we can run the ball.

The Fin's success will depend on whether they can run the ball.

Ball control and field position.

Redskins are said to have strong special teams (maybe the difference)

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Skins' special teams have been outstanding . . . so that's a W for us then?

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Nate you guys got to come up with a lust for mayhem shirt.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Dik, almost. [etrod, pipe up if this can be trimmed down further.]

Lightning never strikes the same place twice.

Sean Taylor can strike twice, but it would be completely redundant. After Sean Taylor strikes the first time, the thing remains stricken.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat--

What's Miami planning now that the 'Skins have Kendall? Big hole in the O line for Miami that they thought the Jets would fill for them.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 27, 2007 02:09 PM

The Dolphins are going with the tried and true method of coping called "grin and bear it". Kendall was never coming to Miami, and he was never going to KC either. The Jests said repeatedly that they would never deal him within the conference, let alone the division, so the Redskins were bidding against themselves. That said, I wish he'd come to us.

Everything I have seen/heard/read about our (Fins) o-line says that they WILL be okay, just not this year. Maybe that's why we have Trent, his release is waay faster than Lemon's and Beck is too much of a prospect to turn him into David Carr.

I think we have a 6-10/7-9 season in prospect, with our D keeping us in some games we have no right to be in. I think we'll run the ball often/well enough to keep D's honest for the play-action, but it really depends on whether they will give the ball to Ronnie Brown enough for him to wear defenses down. The guy gets 4+ yards per carry in the first half of games and they NEVER let him run in the second half! go figure. And it's not because they are usually out of sigh behind by then. I think it's just because Nick Saban was/is a clueluess nincompoop.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Top hole. Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the how's your father. Hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his Sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bertie.

CLOAD!!!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat what was that? Did you take some of littery meds by mistake? LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

When Sean Taylor strikes at Giants Stadium Jimmy Hoffa remains in the bleechers??

[blog]: "make it stop! make it stop!"

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor is the reason the lightening went away

Posted by: connskins | August 27, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM220 that ESPN column you posted was pretty weak....

If the columnist was so concerned with the kids in LA, she should just write stories on that case and not make an apples and flank steak argument to the Vick case.....

You and I prolly agree on way more political type things than not, I just see making these cases on the backdrop of the Vick case as dead end...

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

anyone get the goods from the Gibbs presser? wonder if he mentioned whether Portis is planning to practice tomorrow.

Posted by: CMoney | August 27, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

JM, I know that Cload and Daggar is an afficianado of Mynto Nythop's Flying Risscu so I was trying to bait him into posting. :-)

Normal (for me) blogging will be resumed after this announcement, viz.

"Fins great, 'skins not so great, we'll mash you on the 9th, blah blah blah"

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Is Landry going to be better disciplined than ST? ST hits but seems to set himself out of the play enough to make it interesting? Landry is a man . . .

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

How about:

When Sean Taylor is around, lightning doesn't even dare to strike once.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, was that Miss Teen East End?

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The Hood has entered WashPost Blog pages. Good for them...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/08/nats_raps.html

How does the Post get away with it. They're hypocrites. that's why.........

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Taylor crushes all in his way . . .

Posted by: not a good fan . . . | August 27, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

No Dik, it was an attempt at 'banter'.

http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/rafbante.htm

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

strikes...unions...hoffa.. oh, nevermind...

[:-|

And I'm sorry - the MSG from Chiken Kitchen is gettin to me.

..Can I have some Kool Aid pleaze?

...mmmm...flanksteak

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

A piston engine?! What's it for?

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It was a bargain!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor once struck lightning.

Posted by: etrod | August 27, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

500 comments and counting on a 6 word post.

Posted by: Stumped (placing turban on head) | August 27, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

500 Comments.

New Post Needed.

Posted by: 4th | August 27, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

...lighting was then placed on IR

Posted by: etrod | August 27, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: I'm in love | August 27, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

What planet is she from?
If you open up her breast plate, you'll find a keg of Hienne.

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Falcons owner: Terminating Vick not in team's best interest
Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 12:44 PM"

No but trading him may be. Releasing him would make no sense given the investment the franchise has already made. There may be teams out there willing to part with a draft pick of two, perhaps pay whatever is left on the guaranteed money. If JaMarcus Russell hadn't been chosen by the Raiders I believe Vick could go there if he gets "unsuspended". Given the stalemate the team currently has with its 1st rounder I suspect that possibility might not be so far fetched.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Posted by: I'm in love | August 27, 2007 02:58 PM

When I watched this video, I immediately thought of this wonderful line from the otherwise dire Smokey and the Bandit.

Buford T. Justice: There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth!

I have to hope/pray that the poor girl just had a total brainfart up there. If not, that is beyond scary.

And in case anyone takes offence, I don't subscribe to wife-beating, so let's not even go there.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

apparently lightning cameback like gangbusters...and tried to hit seantay back...that might splain seantay missing mcnair.

jm220, we's all brothers and sisters up here. (minus lisa of course. she aint my sister.). and when i'm "talking" to some of the regs up here the smiley face is always implied. it's just the way we (real friends) talk where i come from.

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

guys, last i checked joe gibbs was gonna have a presser at 1:30 PM. http://www.redskins.com

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Lightning has to be as fast as it is just to get away from me.

Posted by: Sean Taylor | August 27, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

New Blog handle proposal:

ILL-LITTERY

smile implied unless your not my sister....

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor is the reason Waldo is hiding.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Who won the Teen Ms US anyway?

Tennesse was the best. But she didn't make it to the top 10.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

CL I think you miss the point of the story. She was stating that we need to put more value on human lives.

Posted by: jm220 | August 27, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess JM220, if she was, she made a poor case defending her thesis....

But again I agree with that, but this simply isnt the sexy nes story to bundle that idea with...if she feels that way, go write stories that focus on that and quit fitting round pegs in vicks square hole...

Is all I'm saying

Posted by: Chris Larry | August 27, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

gonna be lots of pegs fitting in vicks square hole real soon

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

THere is another story that she should have focused on as well.

It was in Tennesee and it was 4 guys and a girl who raped and tortured and eventually killed two students (guy and girl)

THere has been an uproar about how the national media has not paid any attention to this story, and most think it is because of the racial aspect of it (accused being black, victims being white)

In an already racially charged area as tennesee, some are sweeping it under the carpet to avoid looking like they are playing black vs white.

Has it gotten so bad in this country that we are so afraid of upsetting one group versus another that the brutal murder of these two kids is forgettable?

I guess the opposite of the story she did mention where the puinshment is not befitting of the crime.

here is the story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

there are plenty of other stories about this, but it never really made the national media... if you actually read what was done to these poor people, it is an outrage that it was not newsworthy.

In the same vein the other story mentioned is not compared to Paris and Vick.

Posted by: Zebra | August 27, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Human lives should be whatever the market will bear...

....ew. :-[

Posted by: Dik | August 27, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

JM, in my opinion you're right and she's right, BUT she hasn't taken into account the fact that there has been a regime change at NFL commissioner in her examples.

Does anyone think that if the Little/Lewis cases had come up since Goodell took over they would both have been given far greater penalties than they actually received?

Of course we should take the gravity of the charge into account, and society decrees that loss of human life is a greater sin than loss of animal life.

The fact that that certainly didn't happen in the past probably contributed to the situation now. If Vick believed that getting caught meant losing everything would he have resisted the temptation more? Maybe, although it's sad that some people need a huge deterrent to simply stop them doing bad/stupid things.

Now the case of the kids in Jena is another matter. I bet we could fill a whole blog with just that subject. If that had been me, my old man would have taken me out to the woodshed - and I'd have deserved it.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 27, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

NP

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

"Campbell is younger/stronger, better at scrambling, but he still has a really slow delivery to my mind. Green has none of Campbell's physical prowess and may have the yips about being clattered again, but can get rid of the ball quick, as far as he needs to throw it, but only as long as he has someone to throw to."

Green was a 3rd or 4th rounder for the Redskins. Yet another attempt by Norv/Casserly to overcome the debacle of drafting Schuler and ending up with Frerotte. Then came Brad Johnson after the loss of Green.

Campbell is a 1st rounder chosen by Joe Gibbs himself. The guy who tutored and worked with guys like Doug Williams, Jim Ray Hart, Dan Fouts and John Hadl before even coming to Washington. He made Miami 4th rounder Joe Theismann into a superbowl MVP. He made guys like Jay Schroeder, Mark Rypien and Stan Humpheries into championship quarterbacks.

That is a real problem for the Redskins, that #2 receiver position. IN the past Gibbs has dealt with his by turning fast nimble running back types in to receivers, or with a bunch of less talented 3rd / 4th receivers like the "Smurfs".

Many people don't realize that Gibbs, like Saunders failed miserably in Washington in Gibbs I when he attempted to implement a vertical offense intended for the great Dan Fouts with Joe Theismann.

That was when the Riggins based running game evolved. Play action to receivers like Art Monk ( a possession receiver and former running back) and Charley Brown. Screens and over the middle to RBs like Joe Washington et al. eventually leading to the H-Back position as a short to intermediate target. He used a dizzying array multiple sets to mask or hide what the offense planned to do which was often as simple as the Riggo drill.

Now they find themselves with a very similar team except that Moss is more of a deep threat than Monk. If one considers Thrash a Monk-like possession guy with Moss the deep threat the a similar solution seems like it would work now. They have a very talented starting 6 (including Wade) in the offensive line, a very talented mobile quarterback in Campbell, 2 running backs in Portis and Betts, and an excellent TE/H-back type player in Cooley. Plus two very reliable and dependable receivers in Moss and Thrash.

It will have to be a relatively conservative offense where running the ball is key. But they now have a QB who is not afraid to go down the field if there are receivers can run the patterns.

But depth is a problem. The loss of Moss, Cooley, or Campbell could be crippling. That I think is their biggest weakness.

The defense looks like it is set to make a run at #1. I expect Randall Godfrey to eventually start over McIntosh giving him another year of seasoning as the "4th linebacker". Its all very, very good if a sense of "team first" and chemistry can be developed this year.

AND THIS I believe is why you might see guys like Khary Campbell, and Ade Jimoh replaced by guys like Anthony Trucks, Dallas Sartz, HB Blades etc. They appear to have developed chemistry among themselves. Last year that was a serious problem with the defense.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Stumped | August 27, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

new post. thank goodness

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

Zebra - I read it and agree it is sad and should have grabbed CNN or MSNBC's attention. The interesting qoute from some media type was if there is no 'interest' group involved, then it may not got the headlines it is thought to deserve.

In America, money and special interest groups run america. What a shame.

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I haven't said much about the Vick thing b/c it doesn't really seem like a football thing, and the talking heads' talk is boring me.

Of the four purposes of the criminal justice system -- deterrence, incapacitation, restitution, and retribution -- I've never been OK with my tax dollars being spent on retribution. Eye for an eye makes everyone blind and all that. Save me the stuff about the suffering of dogs. I'll concede that. Just put down the first stone.

Vick himself has to be at or near the lowest point of losing grace -- the word disgrace doesn't really even capture it. By all accounts, Vick has grown up in trouble, around trouble, behind and in front of trouble. Maybe he can't feel disgrace (yet) because he never knew grace in the first place. I just want the man to be able to find grace, if even for the first time. The next phases of life for him are going to be more trouble, less grace. I can't find satisfaction in any of that. Everything about "The Michael Vick Story" is a drag. I'm just hoping he can close it with a positive chapter or two.

Posted by: dcsween | August 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

beep beep new post

Posted by: littery | August 27, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nate:

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fartstriker

That should clear things up.

Posted by: farstriker | August 27, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

No redskins news all sunday or today? I figured there would be something to talk about since Saturday night.

Posted by: Paul S. | August 27, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Whew! Busy day. Take a moment to enjoy this, tho:

http://18to88.com/Articles/starwars2007.htm

Posted by: Cindy | August 27, 2007 01:45 PM

Further proof that Cindy sometimes forgets to READ the blog, as this has been posted twice previously in the past few days.

Posted by: Proofreader | August 27, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't a thunderstorm at FedEx on Saturday night - it was bolts of lightning shooting out from Sean Taylor's arse!

Posted by: William W. | August 27, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"It's Over." So apt.
One haiku to rule them all.
Let's wrap this one up.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 30, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

NOT so fast there Nate
Some of us are not done here
Not by a long chalk

Posted by: Redcoat | August 30, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Two fresh chalk outlines
Poor souls gone before their time
Oh, Nate! Oh, Redcoat!

Posted by: MV Dame | August 30, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Enough silliness!
Give me what is due to me
Play elsewhere on blog

Posted by: Redcoat | August 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

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