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It's your call: Campbell or Collins?

He may not be calling the plays, but Jim Zorn presumably will make the decision on which quarterback will start Monday night against the Philadelphia Eagles at FedEx Field, Barry Svrluga writes. "I want to really make sure I do the right thing there," Zorn said. "That'll be a hard decision."

Tell us which way you think Zorn should go.


Today's chats

Dan Steinberg chats at 11:30 a.m.; Brian Mitchell chats about the Redskins at 1 p.m.

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Where's the box for Jeff Garcia? We want "a fresh set of arms."

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell - he's the quarterback of the future!!!

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Write in vote Drew Brees.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell - he's the quarterback of the future!!!

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM |

What future, the Redskins are still terrible future. His future with the Skins will end at the end of the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Pol(e)l Deez

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Where's the box for Jeff Garcia? We want "a fresh set of arms."

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:45 AM

I 2nd that.

Posted by: fzone | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I voted for JC. I heard him on 106.7 yesterday. I've always respected him for his composure. After hearing him yesterday, I am really hoping he gets the start. He said he's been worried about making mistakes and has been thinking too much on the field. I'm paraphrasing, but he says he knows the system and he doesn't give a sh*t anymore. He's going to go out and just play football.

I hope he starts and tears it up. This is the attitude we've been waiting to see out of him.

Posted by: mdeep75 | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Thomas wasn't just benched, he wasn't even ACTIVE for the game..when is someone gonna get a wakeup call on this squad....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 8:46 AM

Well, since they realized the problem, Fred Davis has been getting a wake up call every day.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

ugh, to think that Brees coulda been had for free....sigh....

I don't really care who the qb is at this point, I just want the offense to change...this season has really soured me on watching other teams competence on the offensive side of the ball...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

How about Andre Woodson?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I hope he starts and tears it up. This is the attitude we've been waiting to see out of him.

Posted by: mdeep75 | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM |

I hope I get a raise today, but I doubt it will happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Ummm, you may want to check ESPNs page. Everybody but you wapo's seems to know Campbell is starting.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

this season has really soured me on watching other teams competence on the offensive side of the ball...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 8:49 AM

Me too. I turn the TV off when other teams are on offense. I just watch defense.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I hope I get a raise today, but I doubt it will happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 8:50 AM

Wrong. You can get a raise today. There's a little lever under your chair, on the right.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"He said he's been worried about making mistakes and has been thinking too much on the field. I'm paraphrasing, but he says he knows the system and he doesn't give a sh*t anymore. He's going to go out and just play football"

haven't we heard this like 2-3 times before??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to every media mention of Sherm being "former retirement home Bingo caller Sherm Lewis". Its gonna be great, great journalism.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Campbell needs to run when sh*t breaks down. He needs to throw and not be scared. Not condoning throwing Int's but take a shot. Also, how about a deep ball not down the sideline. Lets try one down the hash, so if its a little off, the WR can make a play not fall out of bounds.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I hope that Shermans play calling is worse than Zorns. Why you ask? Arent you a die hard Skins fan VaBeach? Yes I am a true fan, and Im pretty sure that Sherms hiring was a Cerrato move and everyone knows Cerrato needs to go. Anyone with their head on straight would fire this clown at the end of the season (sh!t, anyone with 1/2 a brain would have dumped him long ago), but Snyder obviously has his head at least a little cocked to the side. So if this offense gets any worse, it will just be the concrete shoes for Vinny and God willingly, Snyder will finally push him off the boat.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Sherm Penn

Posted by: OG_Barno | October 20, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Garcia.....why not. He's got escapability, he's smart, knows the WCO and has a winning attitude. He enhances our success rate more so that Bingo Guy.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Where's the box for Jeff Garcia? We want "a fresh set of arms."

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 8:45 AM

Only if he's been calling bingo.

I refuse to choose between coca-cola Campbell and Pepsi "Tom" Collins. The next real story is the front office reorganization that hopefully comes after the season. Until then, I'm going to scour teh internets for 1980s regular season games.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

JREID,
ESPN says Campbell has been selected as the starter based on a QB meeting yesterday with Zorn.. But, no mention in the Wash yesterday or today??... Is the Wash Post being blacked out by Snyder?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4578786

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 20, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Tom Collins bailed out Gibbs in 2007 with 4 wins. Dont see why he can't bail out Zorn with at least that many now. oh and FCUK Snyder

HAIL

Posted by: prescrunk | October 20, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Neither one of them is the long term solution. So, you might as well go with the guy who can read defenses better, work through his progressions better, find open receivers, and is more consistently accurate. Uh, that would be Todd Collins.

If they're going with Jason Campbell it just shows they're continuing to make bad decisions.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | October 20, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see the Monday night pre-game show where Chris Mortensen joked about Sherman Lewis calling bingo plays from coach box? Not original, but what was funny was that Adam Schefter genuinely could not stop laughing through the whole bit.

That about sums up the Redskins for the rest of the season: a national punch-line that is funny no matter how cheesy the jokes get.

The wonder of it all!

Seriously, this is so absurd that it just has to shake Snyder free from his Ceratto embrace long enough to realize that he needs to break off his Vinny bromance and get back out there to find a different partner in crime.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

This offense is gona completely tank monday night. How is this Sherm "bingo" Lewis gona make a difference?? Adding another middle man to the play calling process is gona result in a bunch of delay of games. And when your offense sucks beyond futility, an extra 5 yds to get a first down is gona f*&^%in kill you.
I read that "bingo's" 1 season calling plays for the Packers after Holmgren left was Farves worst year statistically. And the play calling was a concern when he called plays with Minnesota when the offense was Robert Smith, Chris Carter, Randy Moss and Daunte Culpepper.

I havent missed watching a Skins game that I can remember and Im seriously pondering not watching... Philly just lost to the Raiders and has to be pissed. I have a dreadful feeling this is gona be ugly... real ugly...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Vinny is gone at the end of the year, Snyder knows that is his only move to give the fans hope. I think the majority of fans would rather have a chimp point to a draft board, then Vinny pick the players.

This is worse then after the Spurrier debacle, and he can't play the Joe Gibbs card again.

I still think he makes the mistake of hiring someone like Shany, instead of getting a GM and letting him hire the coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree that it probably makes little difference. I fully expect the offense to be even worse Monday night, because I think Zorn's playcalling was only a small part of the overall problem (lack of talent).

JC is gone at the end of the year, but there is no question he gives the Redskins the best "chance" Monday night. Maybe the benching will be good medicine for him. It has worked for other QBs (McNabb, for one).

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 20, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

prescrunk,

watch your mouth, talking bad about Snyder !

Posted by: OG_Barno | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm SICWIDIT the GM!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are the following players I would seek to trade and ones that I think we can get picks for, whether they are high or low picks:

Fred Davis - 5th or 6th Round
Clinton Portis- 3rd or 4th Round
Rock Cartwright- 7th Round (maybe)
Andre Carter- 6th or 7th Round (maybe)
Ladell Betts- 7th round (maybe)
Jason Campbell- Restricted FA...let him go
Santana Moss- 4th or 5th rounder

I would cut the following players, especially in cap free year. Get your azz outta here

Chad Rinehart
Mike Williams
Antwaan Randle-El
Anthony Montgomery
Fred Smoot
Brian Westbrook
Todd Collins

I would build my team around:
Cooley
Dockery
Haynesworth
Jarmon
Orakpo
Horton
Doughty
Hall
Wilson
McIntosh
Landry

Vets I would keep until I could draft for or find in FA

Rabach
Fletcher
Griffin


Youngbucks I'd take one more look at before I cut bait or want for depth

Kelly
Thomas
Mason
Aldrige
Barnes
Moore depth
Mitchell depth
Heyer depth
Montgomery depth
Tryon depth


Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather be playing the Eagles than the Titans.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

vAbeach,

The offense already sucks, changing the play caller will not hurt us either.

We already have wasted TO because of time running out with Zorn calling the plays.

Hell let JC call his own plays go Shotgun no huddle the whole game, and I bet we do better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

So, what does everyone say if Washington wins on Monday night?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 7:47 AM

God really hates the Eagles. No other reason for them to lose to the Raiders and then us back to back.

Posted by: will_ga | October 20, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Va beach... its way past ugly. Its surrealistically into trainwreckville.

Just step back and laugh at the absolute imbecility of it all.

And hope Snyder is now ready after ten years to quit being such a complete fcuktard and get a real gm, a real coach, and a real vacation home from where he cant f it up any longer.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

forgot about Sellars (Teams or I might seek to trade him for a late round pick)

I'd keep Yoder for depth until I could draft a pure blocking TE

Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis- 3rd or 4th Round
Rock Cartwright- 7th Round (maybe)
Andre Carter- 6th or 7th Round (maybe)
Ladell Betts- 7th round (maybe)


Or maybe not.

read as: NFWIH anybody give up those picks for those players.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is better than Collins...If Collins was a good he wouldn't be a 15 yr backup...

Collins knows this and that why he has settled for being a backup.. its good to have a job and he wont make the type of money he makes doing anything else...

So start Campbell at least he wants to start..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge, the only beef I have with your GM "pick 'em, cut 'em", is that (and you did say "maybe") Betts and Cartwright won't garner a draft pick from anyone.

Those dudes have zero trade value, and as much as I am a fan of Clinton Portis, the 'skins would be lucky if they were to get a fifth for that guy.

I think you actually undervalued Andre Carter as well. He's not great, but he has more trade value than Portis, Fred Davis, and Santana Moss.

More than Portis because of age and mileage, more than Davis because he's a clown and isn't too bright, and more than Moss because short and fast receivers are easier to find than legit pass rushers.

Carter isn't too bad against the run either.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Thought of the day: Shanahan recommended Anthony Alridge, who tried out for Denver and then got injured. Do you think the team made a promise to Mikey to keep the guy around until Shanahan takes over the team? It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but why keep a guy around that you don't use?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Fanhouse has an article about Shanahan turning the job down cause he doesn't want it mid season. It does say that he may take it come seasons end. This may be a valid point.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm SICWIDIT the GM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clinton Portis- 3rd or 4th Round

Portis's contract is so outrageous that the only team who could absorb it is the damn NY Yankees & they don't really need him. No, I just don't see anyone trading for Portis after this year. Too many cheaper faster younger legs out there.

Posted by: will_ga | October 20, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER GET rid of the Dead Weight on this team FIRE ZORN now what u waiting on you BUM!! Let Gray coach the team and sherm"Bingo Lewis call the plays and lets go 4 and 12 for the year and get high draft pick

Posted by: chinngy23 | October 20, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

You know the part that pisses me off about the media,is that they keep saying,hey the play calling is not the only problem with this team.

They realize that it is a problem but we shouldn't change it because it's not the only problem?

Here's a sugestion if your o-line is beatup from the feet up try a 3-5 step drop,and slants across the middle instead of 7 step drops and all sideline pattern.

And God forbid they leave Portis in on 3rd down,he's only your best blocker on the team(linemen included)

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I will double down on that. F*ck Dan Snyder.

Seriously, no need to get mad or disappointed about it anymore. It's sheer insanity and high comedy. I started betting against the Skins in the Carolina game. 1-1 so far. There is no way they stay within a TD of the Eagles. May as well benefit somehow off this debacle.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you guys on Garcia. The Skins should sign him next week...

Posted by: siris | October 20, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Red, I'm with you! Maybe if they play a team that has won a game, they'll play better.

It seems a no-brainer to get Jeff Garcia in here. He'd be an automatic 2nd string guy and for the rest of the year, could help with the WCO.

I vote to start JC. This is because Collins cannot possibly save the season and get the team into the playoffs. He's the Redskins' past. They need to give JC every chance they can to figure it out. If he finally does "let 'er rip" then they've got the guy they need. If he doesn't, then they can release him with everybody knowing he got every opportunity. This is important.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Hell let JC call his own plays go Shotgun no huddle the whole game, and I bet we do better.

If Zorn wasn't so insecure about his play calling he should have done this long ago...everyone could see when we ran the hurry up we moved the ball and score but Zorn kept calling plays..Indy allowed Manning to run no huddle and when he was sucessfull everyone called him a genius...unstoppable..the best in the business..Zorn hurt Campbell by holding him back just so he could prove he can call plays...He should've just played Madden and called all the plays he wanted..Zorn deserves to be FIRED....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, go ahead and start JC -- and watch him fail, fail, fail. It's not like winning is part of the agenda any more, any way.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Randle-El? Why the hell not, if you are going to be bad, be entertaining.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Ok...then I would cut Portis in an uncapped year.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE include a WHO CARES, IT WON'T MATTER option!!!

Posted by: kone | October 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that Campbell would start, too.

Isn't the trade deadline today? Way to go, Vinny, for orchestrating another sweetheart deal to bolster the already deep offensive line. Anyone else with me on voting Vinny and crew as the laziest front office in football?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Why would you bring in Jeff Garcia if you're gonna blow it up at the end of the year?

Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else think that is Portis practicfes regularly he takes that 78 yard run to the house? He was out of gas and wasnt tackled but fell over becuase he was out of breath!!

BTW what are the penalties for being over the salary cap? Has anyone ever done that? If we truly blow this thing up then we need to get rid of some high priced players that will certainly make staying under the cap difficult.

Posted by: skinball77 | October 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Campbell..........Coach Lewis, if you happen to read these comments....you need to activate Marko Mitchell and Anthony Aldridge. Zorn has been ignoring these talented players in lieu of unproductive "contract status" players. These guys deserve an opportunity.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

So, what does everyone say if Washington wins on Monday night?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

___________

My first thought is that any win from this point forward would only damage draft position.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

dpc, it isn't even the fact that the Eagles have won a game, but more to do with the Titans getting drubbed to the tune of SIXTY!

Wtf, when I saw that score I laughed so damn hard... beans, are they talking super bowl up there in bahstan again?

I mean, 59-0? What is this the '30s and '40s all over again?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

These guys deserve an opportunity.

What about the guys who are active, like Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, wouldn't it be more prudent to get them the ball FIRST??

Do people really not get it?? I mean seriously??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Not the most lazy, just the most inept.

They do try, but it's like a dude with no arms trying to row a boat. As hard as he may try, he isn't going to do nothing but just sit on the water bouncing his shoulders.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else think that is Portis practicfes regularly he takes that 78 yard run to the house? He was out of gas and wasnt tackled but fell over becuase he was out of breath!!

BTW what are the penalties for being over the salary cap? Has anyone ever done that? If we truly blow this thing up then we need to get rid of some high priced players that will certainly make staying under the cap difficult.

Posted by: skinball77 | October 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

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I think if he just would have cut to the inside at around the 20 yard line he would have walked into the end zone.

Penalty for being over the salary cap is usually draft picks being taken away, but everything is pointing towards an uncapped year next year.

If there's no cap next year, it's a good possibility that the cap wouldn't return. So cutting dead weight contracts wouldn't really matter.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

My first thought is that any win from this point forward would only damage draft position.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely! -JZ, Redskins coach, circa 2008-2008.5

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

SELL THE TEAM
SELL THE TEAM

I want to hear this on Monday night nice and LOUD for a national audience.

Game goers make this happen PLEASE.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

red, yeah, pretty much, pats fans like to think that Pittsburgh, and Denver, are inferior, and that somehow Denver who just beat them did so with luck.....all the talk is that the 2007 offense that set all kinds of records is back...no one takes into consideration that you, me and 4th could have gotten open against this secondary that the titans had...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

What about the guys who are active, like Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, wouldn't it be more prudent to get them the ball FIRST??

I think his intent was that we should evaluate other players to see what we have or dont have, of course that would me we have to be good at evaluating talent, which obviously isnt a strong suit with us. Also we would need to be able to get them the ball which obviously we can't....

Posted by: skinball77 | October 20, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else think that is Portis practicfes regularly he takes that 78 yard run to the house? He was out of gas and wasnt tackled but fell over becuase he was out of breath!!
Posted by: skinball77

Portis didn't go all the way because of Sellars BS blocking...When Sellars fell on his face without taking the defender out he was in perfect position to make the tackle...Sellars has got to put that DB on hit butt...Zorn should have ran the ball again. we would have scored a TD..but he started calling plays and we got a field goal...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

If you watch every other football team they spread the ball out all over the field, especially the middle of the field.

But for some reason we only throw routes to the sidelines. and outside the numbers.

and to take it a step further this offense is as bad as spurrier, because they dont take advantage of the other teams weakness.

Zorn and Spurrier made the same statement, they both said that doing the week they focus more on their gameplan than what the other team does. you see where that got snyder and pretty soon where it will get zorn. The object of the game is to score points and take advantage of other teams weakness

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Poll Question of the day:

Who's your choice for GM come Monday Night:

Vinney Cerrato
Sheman Lewis

Posted by: ccwbambam | October 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Campbell. Because with this offensive line, the QB has to be able to RUN!

I love Todd and I am grateful to him for getting us to our last playoff appearance, but the Eagles are going to kill him, and quick, if he is the starter on Monday.

Posted by: mrapier1 | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

These guys deserve an opportunity.

What about the guys who are active, like Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, wouldn't it be more prudent to get them the ball FIRST??

Do people really not get it?? I mean seriously??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I get it and i blame primarily blame play calling.how many quick slants have we seen?why would you throw a fade to Randle El,and go routes to Kelly?

Most teams run when the deffense is gassed,Zorn goes empty backfield.

And they mock the change in play callers?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

What about the guys who are active, like Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, wouldn't it be more prudent to get them the ball FIRST??

Do people really not get it?? I mean seriously??
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if anyone besides Moss could get separation, yeah throw them the ball. How many catches do the 3 amigos have after 6 games?

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Bean, if Thomas, Kelly, and Davis aren't running routes correctly, then how would they get the ball? QBs are supposed to throw the ball at the sport where the receiver is supposed to be. If they aren't there... then what?

Of course some of that is on Campbell and him not taking a chance. Although he has this season, and when he has, he's been picked.

I swear, they're better off with the QB in the huddle pointing at the palm of his hand and instructing those dudes where to go.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ok...then I would cut Portis in an uncapped year.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 20, 2009 9:33

That I can get behind.
Give him a big check, say thanks for the memories-heck, give him a dinner & going away party, he has carried the load for a while now; just get him out the door & lock it behind him. The backwards attitude & culture of "big money" equals "big talent" equals me first, team second has to change and getting rid of Portis will help.

Posted by: will_ga | October 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

espn's source is VINNY!!! VINNY made the decision on the qb not zorn. zorn just wants to be fired so he can keep his millions. and skins are intent on humiliating him if he doesn't agree to a buyout...

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Do we think portis would a bit upset to reunite with mr shanahan? I mean he pretty much wanted out of Denver didnt he?

Posted by: skinball77 | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Zorn and Spurrier made the same statement, they both said that doing the week they focus more on their gameplan than what the other team does.

That's why he's gonna get fired..The game plan should be planning to take advantage of what the other team does..Like when Danny Smith planned that fake field goal...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Bean, if Thomas, Kelly, and Davis aren't running routes correctly, then how would they get the ball? QBs are supposed to throw the ball at the sport where the receiver is supposed to be. If they aren't there... then what?

All three can't run their routes properly? Come on. Either that is flat out wrong or the wide receivers coach should leave with Zorn...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

so contrary to this website's "reporting"...decision has been made and jc will be the starting qb.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

What team(s) out there have a good LT but a poor record and would be willing to deal?

That's who Vinny shoud be talking to before the deadline.

Because if Heyer remains at LT, I could see both Campbell and Collins ending up on IR soon.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Clinton ran for 78 yards and there was a big a$$ defensive tackle less than 3 yards behind clinton near the 10 yard line...Aldridge would have been 20 yards ahead of any chief defender. But I guess we'll never know, that'll be too much pressure on "baby step" clinton.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I think JC should call any damn play he wants in the huddle. Tell TC to get back on the sideline and beat zorn's azz if he even tries to talk to him. He could take that radio receiver out of his helmet and fling it at the sideline, and flip him the bird, too.

That would be a helluva lot more entertaining to see, and have no worse a chance of winning than what they are doing now.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Would you rather be on the Titanic or the Hindenburg?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Good point on Garcia -- why bring him in if you want to mess up your draft position? It would only make sense if one thought the season was salvagable.

Looking at the remaining opponents, there are the undefeated Broncos, the undefeated Saints, the 4-1 Falcons, the Giants, 2xDallas, 2xPhilly. This team could lose all 8 of those games, but I suspect (hope?) they'll win 2 of them. Please God let one be in Dallas, knocking the hated Cowboys out of playoff contention.

In fact, they could also go on to lose to Oakland and the Chargers.

So, 4-12 is a real possibility. Why bring in Garcia who might scrape another 2 wins, thus dropping the draft standing 4 places?

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

red, I think its bullcrap, I really do, you think that every wideout in the NFL runs a PERFECT route?? Thats what JZ preaches, being perfect, which is why JC is so gun shy, and the triplets don't get the ball. Not to mention that as Merrill Hoge stated, the routes that are being called for, against zone coverage, work better against man coverage. I mean, if they were scoring 28 points a game, and the kids were still not getting it done, then I'd buy that they're not open, but they're scoring 13 points a game..that tells me that NO-ONE is open, and that the whole thing shoulda been scrapped a long time ago...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

red, I think its bullcrap, I really do, you think that every wideout in the NFL runs a PERFECT route?? Thats what JZ preaches, being perfect, which is why JC is so gun shy, and the triplets don't get the ball. Not to mention that as Merrill Hoge stated, the routes that are being called for, against zone coverage, work better against man coverage. I mean, if they were scoring 28 points a game, and the kids were still not getting it done, then I'd buy that they're not open, but they're scoring 13 points a game..that tells me that NO-ONE is open, and that the whole thing shoulda been scrapped a long time ago...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't really matter who the QB is or who is calling plays until cerato is gone and we have a certified , football insider GM. We aren't getting rid of snyder unfortunately so the next best thing is a REAL GM.

Posted by: LMichael1 | October 20, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"espn's source is VINNY!!! VINNY made the decision on the qb not zorn. zorn just wants to be fired so he can keep his millions. and skins are intent on humiliating him if he doesn't agree to a buyout...

Posted by: dealer1"

I agree with this completely. Cindy has strongly hinted in the past that Vinny leaks everything straight to the ESPN heavy hitters. The second part I could buy but who knows. But %100 agree that Vinny's first call after Asburn decision has been made is Bristol.

And I have stated previously it is completely possible for this to be the case: JC is not good, we picked 3 duds in the second round of the 2008 draft, and the scheme/coach/playcalling suck. to be this bad I can easily buy the HatTrick there. Common thread? CINNY CERRATO...GET OUT OF MY LIFE!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I've been with the skins since the larry brown days but i'm close to taking a break from fast sinking TITANTIC and spend the rest of the year on the SAINTS cruise ship. It'll be nice to cheer for a change :)

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Do we think portis would a bit upset to reunite with mr shanahan? I mean he pretty much wanted out of Denver didnt he?

Posted by: skinball77 | October 20, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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His best days where in Denver playing for Shanahan. He left because he became unhappy that they wouldn't pay him.

I'm sure he'd love to play in an offense he once had major success in, and for a coach who will make an effort to put a valid offensive line in front of him.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

double post WAHOOO......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Is there any coach in the NFL more overrated than Jeff Fisher?

I'm sorry, but in the last seven years his teams have won double digit games four times, and including this year they'll fail to post double digit wins four times.

For all this talk of greatness I hear about him, he's sort of on the average side.

The most overrated teams every year are the Cowboys, Eagles, Chargers, and Panthers.

For some damn reason the Chargers are always a favorite to go to the super bowl, why, I have no idea.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

What about the Titans LT Michael Roos. He's relatively young, 27.

Tennessee desperately needs help at both corners, so send Rogers their way and play Smoot & Barnes more.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to NOLA for Halloween. And to become a Saints fan. Hard not to cheer for those guys.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 20, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Clinton ran for 78 yards and there was a big a$$ defensive tackle less than 3 yards behind clinton near the 10 yard line...Aldridge would have been 20 yards ahead of any chief defender. But I guess we'll never know, that'll be too much pressure on "baby step" clinton.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

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Grass is always greener on the other side I suppose. Who's to say that Alridge would be patient enough to follow his block the way Portis did? Or fumble the hand off for that matter?

Portis followed Sellers' block too long. But I swear, if you're complaining about a 78 yard run... I don't know what to say.

If you're going to take issue with something, take it with the joke play calling that followed it. Not a single run play, and a fade to Randle El? It's no wonder they ended up settling for a FG.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

danny boys made it much more fun to be a skins fan. now we dont really ache after a loss on mondays. we get to talk all week about them and share our opinions. that little twerps got us paying more attention now then ever ,jason campbell is not and never will be nfl material. 2 years ago when he got injured todd collins took us to the playoffs. he deserves a chance now. hasnt jason had enough chances. he will not survive the nfl and after this year will not get an offer from anyone unless its to warm a bench

Posted by: tird45 | October 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Portis is probably more than 20 pounds heavier than his Denver days. He beefed up for Gibbs and has lost his speed.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

so the talk was that portis had lost the ability to break the long one, and when he does finally break one for 78 yards, its not enough...sigh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya about the receivers and them being covered/open/taking a chance anyway, bean.

I agree with cL's Hat trick theory. It's probably 'D' - all of the above.

All 'skin fans can hope for is that Snyder eventually sees the light, and just hires a GM and falls the f*** back.

I really hope he all out fires Cerrato or at least gives a some sort of other 'job'.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya about the receivers and them being covered/open/taking a chance anyway, bean.

I agree with cL's Hat trick theory. It's probably 'D' - all of the above.

All 'skin fans can hope for is that Snyder eventually sees the light, and just hires a GM and falls the f*** back.

I really hope he all out fires Cerrato or at least gives a some sort of other 'job'.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV - did you see PTI? Wilbon used the deck chair/Titanic metaphor. I think it's jumped the shark.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Hell.. I can count atleast 3 times Thomas has beaten his man on long routes and the ball was overthrown or thrown out of bounds.... Put Dree Brees back there and I think these wideouts look alot better...... Collins is too stiff... And JC stutters everytime he about to throw the ball...

Posted by: cocodc1 | October 20, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

so the talk was that portis had lost the ability to break the long one, and when he does finally break one for 78 yards, its not enough...sigh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

________________

It's kinda like a shark feeding frenzy. There's blood in the water so it doesn't really matter what you bite. That's what a lot of the comments on this blog remind me of.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I only clicked submit once...

The WaPo thirsts for the dude's knowledge.

Bean, Portis should have been gone on that run. Was disappointed that he didn't because all that meant was that the offense wasn't going to score a TD.

It's sad, their best chance at scoring TDs have to come from 35 yards on out.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Would you rather be on the Titanic or the Hindenburg?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

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god...this season it's like going down with a flaming gasbag into an iceberg. Can't win either way!

Posted by: InRealAmerica | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

so the talk was that portis had lost the ability to break the long one, and when he does finally break one for 78 yards, its not enough...sigh...
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Yeah it's not enough, how many times has Portis been stopped for no gain or a 1 yard gain. You can blame the line but a quicker,faster back would be more productive behind this sorry a$$ line. A slow clinton and a bad line is a terrible combination. You need a mobile QB behind a bad O-line just like you need a quick, fast RB behind a bad O-line.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, the O can and will be worse with "bingo" calling plays. To this point its been a combo of bad play calling and lack of execution which includes the QB missing open recievers. "Bingo" is gona make it worse. He doesnt know the players, the playbook and hasnt coached in like 5 years. Being here for 2 weeks...

But don't fret. This is a good thing in the grand scheme. As I posted earlier: this is a Vinny move and when it becomes painfully obvious that the "GM or VPOFO" made a bad situation worse in front of a national television audience at FedUp Field... it will go further to ensure Snyder divorces his hetero life partner Cerrato.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, I did catch that yesterday on PTI. I thought it was funny the first few times I heard it, but it is losing it's gusto.

I believe that a lot of sports writers and talk radio dudes read these message boards and get their opinion, analysis, and material from them.

"... anything else would be like wearing a jimmie hat while infected with the clap."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Actually a very simple decision based on the situation. Face it, we will probably improve on offense(can't get worse), but the playoffs are more than likely not a reality this year (not happy about it just reality). If you come to that realization, consider this a very long training camp building for the future. We have 10 games to truly evaluate and improve the players we have. There is no decision at quarterback, we do not have a young one to evaluate so take a good hard look at Jason Campbell. Start out by getting out of the West Coast Offense. When you watch a good west coast offense, the quarterback from the snap looks to be in a panic. Jason appears too calm for that and I just do not think it fits his makeup. When the skins are dropping back to look deeper, he looks much better like it is where he belongs. Everywhere else, let's play the young ones as much as we possibly can. That includes running back. Portis is getting pretty beat up from the years of getting hit. Let's run those younger backs in there a lot, and take it easy on him. Maybe even give him games off.

Then at the end of the year, fire everyone involved that has been doing our draft. After a couple of years, we can't get any production out of 2nd and 3rd round draft picks when it seems all the other teams are filled with them, we clearly have people making decisions that stink at it.

Posted by: skins50 | October 20, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Here's an idea:

Knowing that JC always starts cold while he is trying to find his rhythm, suggest we start TC, and give JC an opportunity to audition in the congo line with the Redskinettes. Once JC proves he has found his rhythm, put him out on the field for a single series and see what happens.

The first time he has another three and out, take him out and send him up to sit with the tuba players with the Redskin marching band. Again, once JC proves he has found his rhythm, put him in until his next three and out.

Then take him out again, hand him a beer tray, and allow him to sell suds to the fans. If he sells a complete tray, then put him back in until his next three and out, when can move put him to work for Sherm Lewis selling bingo cards...

Posted by: Vic1 | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Campbell couldn't hit the ground with his A$$ if his life depended on it. He'll be a great back up on someone's team. Receivers can't get open, he has no time to throw, blah blah blah

Posted by: gixxer998 | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Is Sherm using Zorn's playbook, or making up his own plays? If he is using Zorn's plays, but just calls a game different then whats the drop off? Maybe he is more aggressive or uses plays Zorn didn't cause he was uncomfortable. Maybe Bingo McGee takes the handcuffs off Campbell this week.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeah it's not enough, how many times has Portis been stopped for no gain or a 1 yard gain. You can blame the line but a quicker,faster back would be more productive behind this sorry a$$ line. A slow clinton and a bad line is a terrible combination. You need a mobile QB behind a bad O-line just like you need a quick, fast RB behind a bad O-line.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

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Actually, Portis is the best option and should be the only option at RB behind this line. Alridge can't block in the passing game, and I'm tired of watching Betts let whoever he's blocking slip through for a sack. Portis is superior to every back on this team all-round.

I'm all for using Alridge as a change of pace though. But his skills are limited.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

We need a LT in the worst way.

I hope The Vinny at least calls Tennessee re Michael Roos for Carlos Rogers.

We must have a LT, and they must have help at corner. Both their corners have been baked, toasted, flambéd, week in and week out.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The rookie receivers can't get a pass thrown their way, the young running backs can't get a chance to carry the ball, the young offensive linemen only get to play because of injury... You may say Vinny didn't draft very well, but something smells here. The guys Vinny drafted on defense are, for the most part, playing (Barnes has been a disappointment but Jarmin and Orakpo - even Tryon - are doing pretty well). So, is it the young guys are not as good as the starters, or is it the coach doesn't trust his young guys? Remember, this is the same coach who created a double standard in training camp by letting the veterans go home at night and pretty much sit out any practice or game because of the slightest boo-boo. Think about past games. One toss to a young wide receiver, and if it doesn't work, they are done for the day (This could be Campbell or a combination of play calling and QB). Mason didn't even get a carry on Sunday even though Portis was gassed after the long run and, at that point, the running game was working... Could it be the receiver trio are just not getting the reps?

I know Sherm Lewis is not making any personnel decisions on Monday night, but he will be calling the plays, plays that could contain the youngsters as primary receivers...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 20, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, several players privately expressed confusion about how the team's new play-calling system will work.

The plan is for Lewis, who will sit in the press box, to give the calls to Zorn, who will remain on the sideline and relay the information to Campbell or Collins. But Lewis performed poorly when he was permitted to call plays previously in his career, league sources said, and is unfamiliar with the Redskins' offensive terminology, personnel, running game and pass-protection schemes.

By Jason Reid | October 20, 2009; 1:01 AM ET

But he was 8-8 in those games....

Zorn is under .500....

And we SUCK right now on Offense...

So what's your point...

Get behind Sherm or get the F off.

This brotha knows what he is doing...He was there when the WCO was in it's infancy back in SanFran. HE was tutored under the ONLY Bill Walsh.

Zorn....sit back and watch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"... anything else would be like attacking the Union center at Gettysburg."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

So its looking very likely that Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, and Jeff Fisher are likely to be fired as well as potentially John Fox. No offense to us, but I think all of those jobs are more attractive than Washington. However, one thing we have going for us is the depth of great coaches out there, if you add Jeff Fisher to the list:

Gruden
Holmgren
Cowher
Shanahan
Potentially Dungy
Fisher

I don't think we'll get either Shanny or Gruden. Shanny has already reportedly turned down Snyder twice and I think he ends up in Dallas. I think Cowher goes to Carolina, its where he lives, where he's from, its his kind of organization and type of team. I think Holmgren may end up in San Diego, he has west coast ties a house in Mexico and it just seems like a good fit. Not sure Dungy wants to coach again, so I honestly think we end up with Gruden/Allen or Fisher and new GM. I'm fine with that, anything that ends up with a established coach and GM in charge and brighter days are ahead. Anything that ends up with a no-name coach and Danny and Vinny still involved and I'm done as a Skins fan.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Zorn sucked at play calling as well as head coaching but do we really think a bingo caller can do a better job? And if he does, what does that say about Zorn's hiring in the first place? Besides, Sherman doesn't have a good track record at play calling.

Posted by: tundey | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

JREID,
ESPN says Campbell has been selected as the starter based on a QB meeting yesterday with Zorn.. But, no mention in the Wash yesterday or today??... Is the Wash Post being blacked out by Snyder?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4578786

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 20, 2009 9:00 AM

The Post is making headlines to gain 'clicker-ship'...The more clicks to their post, the more revenue they bring in....So you just bring in a semi-disputing point and...Voila...more clicks to your post....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

My concern with how the new play calling will work comes from the fact that the problem with this offense runs deeper than the play calling level. I've read several articles that call into question the design of the plays themselves, especially in the passing game. How the routes are set up and so on.

A new play caller, calling poor plays... it's still Zorn's offense at it's core.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

woops meant that to say don't think we'll get Shanny or Holmgren

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Start Jason one more time vs. Philly ... if he can't deliver a respectable performance, then turn over the job to Chase Daniel after the bye week. It's time to start over, let's see what we've got with the young guys.

Posted by: chas2 | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Start Jason one more time vs. Philly ... if he can't deliver a respectable performance, then turn over the job to Chase Daniel after the bye week. It's time to start over, let's see what we've got with the young guys.

Posted by: chas2

HUH? Chase Daniel is with the New Orleans Saints. He got cut after pre-season. And before it's mentioned again, Colt Brennan is on IR.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

zj, to be honest, I'd rather either Jerry Gray got the job, or they found some young buck, who's made a name for himself, some young cat who is an offensive GENIUS, and wants the credit for turning this ship around.....seeing McDaniel out there last night, and being 6-0, and having shipped Cutler off for 2 firsts, makes me green with envy.....

Not to revisit this, but remember when they were trying to trade JC, and Kyle Orton was more appealing....I think overall in his career Orton is 27-12...he's having a pro-bowl year this year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Portis is the best option and should be the only option at RB behind this line. Alridge can't block in the passing game, and I'm tired of watching Betts let whoever he's blocking slip through for a sack. Portis is superior to every back on this team all-round.

I'm all for using Alridge as a change of pace though. But his skills are limited
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Clinton...is that you? you shouldn't talk about Betts like that:)

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 20, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Start Jason one more time vs. Philly ... if he can't deliver a respectable performance, then turn over the job to Chase Daniel after the bye week. It's time to start over, let's see what we've got with the young guys.

Posted by: chas2 | October 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Chase is on the roster of the Saints. He is 3rd on the depth chart behind Brunell.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I honestly think Vinny is gone at the end of the year, Snyder knows that is his only move to give the fans hope. I think the majority of fans would rather have a chimp point to a draft board, then Vinny pick the players.

This is worse then after the Spurrier debacle, and he can't play the Joe Gibbs card again.

I still think he makes the mistake of hiring someone like Shany, instead of getting a GM and letting him hire the coach.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2009 9:11 AM

If it wasn't for the softball thing....I would think we were related....

I just am iffy on the Snyder letting Vinny go thing. I mean, they talk ALL THE TIME. We don't know what Vinny is telling him.

He may blame Zorn and say his personnel is good. And by having Sherm call plays, and the Redskins succeed....Then Danny may side with Vinny thinking the players are in place, thanks to Vinny.

And unlike some posters (VaBeach) I can't root for them to lose, even though I know that'll get Vinny out of the door. But, if Sherm Lewis succeeds, then Zorn will def be out. I would be satisfied with that and get it right this time around with anyone not named Gruden/Shanny.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor,
Sherm isn't going to do anything. I hope Collins starts the rest of the season. Campbell needs to go somewhere else where he can succeed. He won't with this set of jokers undermining him in the off season by drafting a QB (where there was no need) and leaving the O-line needs unanswered for the second off season in a row. Now where is that QB we drafted? Oh yeah, he wasn't good enough with our team in training camp and now he's part of the New orleans practice squad. Snyder is doing so well with his picks! In the last 2 games on pass plays and running plays 'Skins have been tackled for safeties. Campbell is not the problem.

Posted by: GC4Life | October 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

zj, to be honest, I'd rather either Jerry Gray got the job, or they found some young buck, who's made a name for himself, some young cat who is an offensive GENIUS, and wants the credit for turning this ship around.....seeing McDaniel out there last night, and being 6-0, and having shipped Cutler off for 2 firsts, makes me green with envy.....

Not to revisit this, but remember when they were trying to trade JC, and Kyle Orton was more appealing....I think overall in his career Orton is 27-12...he's having a pro-bowl year this year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I laughed then and I'm still laughing at the people who were like "how could they want Orton over Campbell" and I said all Orton does is win. The year they went to the Super Bowl he was the guy that won like 10 games and got them there then Sexy Rexy lost it for them. He ain't pretty but all he does is win. Here's my problem with your strategy bean, while I very much like it conceptually I only like it if we first hire a legit GM and let him identify this mystery candidate and make the hire. I have absolutely zero faith that Snyder and/or Vinny have the ability to shrewdly recognize talent and identify an under the radar coach capable of doing what McDaniels has. Also, remember when Zorn was 6-2? Lets wait and see a larger sample before we put McDaniels on the Mt. Rushmore of coaches just yet. If we hired a guy like Parcells as a GM (side note, Bill has just a big enough ego, is just a big enough fan of a challenge, and has just enough swagger he might take an offer to come fix us), then I'm all for letting him pick whoever on God's green earth he wants to coach, same thing with a handful of other quality personnel guys. Otherwise though, go for the established guy and give him total control, however it happens, the end game has to be Zorn, JC, and Vinny gone and Danny minding his own business in the owners booth. Anything less than that is failure.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

That is the Problem, If JC comes out Cold then why dont you speed things up and go no huddle early on to get a rhythym and some confidence, rather just punting and saying good job men we'll get em next time, and if not next time then time after that.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 20, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Sherm Lewis two weeks ago was calling Bingo and now he's going to be calling plays for Danny Boy. But to be fair, he was calling the Bingo from a booth and was wearing a headset. The difficulty will be the new terminology the QBs will have to get used to. Like B12 and C6.

Posted by: skinfanman | October 20, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Start Jason one more time vs. Philly ... if he can't deliver a respectable performance, then turn over the job to Chase Daniel after the bye week. It's time to start over, let's see what we've got with the young guys.

Posted by: chas2

People like this need to just go back to their cloud. If you didnt know Chase Daniels hasnt been on the team since the beginning of the season, you need to just read the posts, and refrain from posting.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 20, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

And unlike some posters (VaBeach) I can't root for them to lose, even though I know that'll get Vinny out of the door. But, if Sherm Lewis succeeds, then Zorn will def be out. I would be satisfied with that and get it right this time around with anyone not named Gruden/Shanny.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Dont get me wrong, part of me wants this team to win. But thats the part of me (and all fans) that has been used and abused by this f*&^ed up owner/front office for 10 years.

The Skins need to start looking to the long term for the good of the franchise. And thats why Im hoping it tanks on MNF, Im looking to the long term. This season is O-V-E-R. Someone mentioned playoffs "probably" bein out of the question, U-R-O-U-T-O-F-Y-0-U-R-M-I-N-D!!!It doesnt mean you're less of a fan. Im in too deep man, I could never root for another team. Ive bled maroon and black for far too long (and too much over the last 10 years to continue on with the same mindset).
You cant hope for just Zorn to be gone and Vinny staying is ok. The f%$#@ed up, disfunctional, depth-less tree will just grow back if you dont pull it up from the root.

FIRE CERRATO!!!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

So its looking very likely that Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, and Jeff Fisher are likely to be fired as well as potentially John Fox. No offense to us, but I think all of those jobs are more attractive than Washington. However, one thing we have going for us is the depth of great coaches out there, if you add Jeff Fisher to the list:
Gruden
Holmgren
Cowher
Shanahan
Potentially Dungy
Fisher
I don't think we'll get either Shanny or Gruden. Shanny has already reportedly turned down Snyder twice and I think he ends up in Dallas. I think Cowher goes to Carolina, its where he lives, where he's from, its his kind of organization and type of team. I think Holmgren may end up in San Diego, he has west coast ties a house in Mexico and it just seems like a good fit. Not sure Dungy wants to coach again, so I honestly think we end up with Gruden/Allen or Fisher and new GM. I'm fine with that, anything that ends up with a established coach and GM in charge and brighter days are ahead. Anything that ends up with a no-name coach and Danny and Vinny still involved and I'm done as a Skins fan.
Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:26 AM
Head coach predictions/guesses

San Diego – Shanahan or Holmgren
Dallas – Shanahan or Holmgren
Carolina - Cowher
Buffalo – Billick? – no idea really
Washington – I’d say another unknown like Leslie Frazier (d-coord in Minnesota) but if Snyder did really offer the job to Shanahan then maybe he’ll go with a more well known guy (if he can convince them to come to this mess) – otherwise put me on the Allen/Gruden bandwagon – although if Fisher becomes available I’d go with him and a new GM

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I only like it if we first hire a legit GM and let him identify this mystery candidate and make the hire

agreed......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Snyder is worried about giving the fans hope. Based on recent comments from Kornheiser and George Michael (channel 4, not Wham) Dan Snyder doesn't exactly appear to have his finger on the pulse of the fan base.

That said, I'm all for whatever it takes to get Vinny out of this mo'--even going 2-14. I've gotten to the point this season that I don't even get mad at the team any more. I don't cheer for it either. I just observe. Call me an extra set of eyes.

I won't openly hope for them to lose, but I won't be to upset if they do. I'm past all that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

He may blame Zorn and say his personnel is good. And by having Sherm call plays, and the Redskins succeed....Then Danny may side with Vinny thinking the players are in place, thanks to Vinny.

And unlike some posters (VaBeach) I can't root for them to lose, even though I know that'll get Vinny out of the door. But, if Sherm Lewis succeeds, then Zorn will def be out. I would be satisfied with that and get it right this time around with anyone not named Gruden/Shanny.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:35 AM

How in the WORLD can Sherm Lewis SUCCEED??? Ain't happening. I actually feel sorry for him - what a MESS he walked into.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Otherwise though, go for the established guy and give him total control, however it happens, the end game has to be Zorn, JC, and Vinny gone and Danny minding his own business in the owners booth. Anything less than that is failure.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:40 AM

Spot on.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah the GM should come first. I think if anyone should be fired mid season, it should be Ceratto, not Zorn. I say bring in a new GM asap and let THAT GUY start planning for the future, and let THAT GUY decide what to do for the rest of this season. That way he can evaluate the talent we have now first hand.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

IF Fischer is fired (and I diverge from REDMV, I think he is a great coach) he will cool his heels with the media before jumping back in...

Here is my idea for new HC (other than my eternal first choice of Russ Grimm and with the caveat that new GM is picking)

A DEFENSIVE COACH! That is where our talent/strength lies. its the easiest way to get back to competetive even while rebuilding and the mentallity of a defensive coach permeates the whole team. WITH that you ID young original thinker as OC and say, hey buddy, "Do You"

wHO WAS the last Def minded HC, Schotty doesn't count b/c he was basically a well experienced "HC" so Petibone? Can't hold that against the idea for this long. Also what was Petibone's true downfall, installing the WCO. SNAP!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Feinstein: "There's no short-term solution here. If Snyder won't sell the team, he should call Bill Belichick at season's end and offer him 25 percent ownership in the franchise and a promise: The day you take over, I'll clear out of Redskins Park. If you need me, call me. Otherwise, you are in charge."

Feinstein is a d-bag who should stick to basketball columns.

Yes, Snyder should hire a GM and step out of the way, we can all agree on that.

But the idea of Bill Belicheat coming anywhere NEAR the Washington Redskins makes me sick to my stomach and shows that Feinstein is as out-of-touch with the average Redskin fan as Snyder is.

I'd rather watch Jim Zorn coach for another 5 years before I'd want see that POS Belicheat wearing a burgundy & gold ratty sweatshirt with cut-off sleeves.

Absolutely not.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

now Portis is 7th in rushing, 7th

has he lost it? he's 7th. Portis has the 3rd longest run from scrimmage.

The fans that think Portis has lost it are the one's who lost it.

Campbell statistically is neck an neck with Cutler and Ryan and ahead of Sanchez.

every player makes mistakes, every coach makes bad calls

only 1 GM ignores his O line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I've gotten to the point this season that I don't even get mad at the team any more. I don't cheer for it either. I just observe. Call me an extra set of eyes.

I won't openly hope for them to lose, but I won't be to upset if they do. I'm past all that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Im with you on that. I gave up getting pissed after a loss right around the time I threw my remote control against the wall when DH23 couldnt tackle Jake Delholme on 3rd down in the 4th quarter.


ZORN ISNT THE ROOT CAUSE OF FAILURE!!!

FIRE CERRATO!!!

WAKE UP $NYDER!!!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, ShermL just walked out of the bingo parlor and into a big fat payday, and it's not as though he's putting this epic reputation on the line by coming back (like, say, Joe Gibbs). Sure, it's a lousy situation, but it's a short-time gig, and I think he'll be fine.

And I see Tony Dungy's name come up now and again... I love Dungy more than any of the other SB-winning coaches who might be available, but I take him at his word that he's not coming back to coach again. No reason to think he's a potential candidate. However, if he does get the itch, I never underestimate Snyder's ability to convin$e anyone to come coach the Skins.

One of the problems with the search that landed Zorn, as I understand it, was that Snyder apparently insisted that all or more of the assistant coaches on the payroll remain intact, which I'm sure was a deal-breaker (and indicated Snyder wasn't serious about hiring a real coach). The other problem, I'm guessing, was the presence of Vinny Cerrato.

Both of those problems should be eliminated if Snyder is serious about landing one of the top available coaches, or even one of the hot up-and-coming coaching prospects.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Vince Lombardi couldn't succeed under Cerrato and snyder

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Sherman Hemsley calling the plays, aka George Jefferson

Posted by: DaleHunter | October 20, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ESPN says campbell starting

Posted by: follybeach | October 20, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I've gotten to the point this season that I don't even get mad at the team any more. I don't cheer for it either. I just observe. Call me an extra set of eyes.

I won't openly hope for them to lose, but I won't be to upset if they do. I'm past all that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM

Apathy rules.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Yeah the GM should come first. I think if anyone should be fired mid season, it should be Ceratto, not Zorn. I say bring in a new GM asap and let THAT GUY start planning for the future, and let THAT GUY decide what to do for the rest of this season. That way he can evaluate the talent we have now first hand.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I've been saying this for weeks, Casserly, Allen, and several other solid personnel guys are available right now, why not just get rid of Vinny and get the new guy in and started. Feinstein wrote a great piece about how Snyder's entire tenure has been a study in timing in that he's always too early or too late but is never right on. Norv firing when the team was 7-6 after winning a division title too early, getting rid of Brad Johnson too early, Bruce/Deion too late, and changing play callers now too late etc....right now we and everyone in the world knows our season is over. Why wait to start fixing things? If you know Zorn and Vinny are gone do it now!!!! promote Jerry to interim, let Lewis handle the offense and go hire your new GM right now. Put everyone on notice that an uncapped year is coming, anyone can be cut, sweeping changes are coming so they are all playing and coaching for their jobs under the eyes of an established personnel guy who has no loyalties or preexisting feelings about anyone cause they weren't his draft picks, signings, or hires. Then the day after the season ends let him go pick his new coach and totally remake this roster. That would be a smart way to handle things......so we won't.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Michael: "So, uh, listen, your, uh, your uncle GOB seems to think that he saw you down at the docks today. Was that you?"

George-Michael: "No, no. Maybe it was the other George Michael, you know, the singer-songwriter?"

Michael: "Yeah, that makes sense."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

And I have stated previously it is completely possible for this to be the case: JC is not good, we picked 3 duds in the second round of the 2008 draft, and the scheme/coach/playcalling suck. to be this bad I can easily buy the HatTrick there. Common thread? CINNY CERRATO...GET OUT OF MY LIFE!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 9:58 AM


This ain't Hockey...And no waaay we fell into that kind of hat trick....

I believe in 2 out of 3 1st rounders so far. We just need someone to throw it to them......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

SKINS FANS: Plz sign the petition to get rid of Dan Snyder!! http://www.mervisdiamond.com/engagement-diamond

Posted by: mattphillips | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"I think overall in his career Orton is 27-12...he's having a pro-bowl year this year..."

Orton has played with some great defenses and running offenses. He's basically Trent Dilfer.

NFL Live showed 3 or 4 throws that Brandon Marshall single-handedly knocked away from being picks (Pats game I believe). That TD pass against the Girls was all Marshall too.

As usual, QB's get all the glory and all the blame. Forget about Dumervil and their special teams.

Let's hope Dan hires a GM to build a solid team before drafting the next "savior".

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Zjfr2 -

I have this feeling that Snyder and Ceratto do everything together. Play golf, eat lunch, take a steam, and especially talk to football people. Maybe Snyder is incapable of finding and hiring a GM on his own. Maybe he just doesn't know who to talk to, and he can't do it in secrecy without VC knowing about it.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

if the redskins come out Monday night, and things aren't different, the offensive game plan is EXACTLY the same, then fire EVERYBODY.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I caught the highlights (their term, not mine) of the Chiefs game yesterday in the lobby of my work building, and I couldn't help smiling when the Chiefs players doused their coach with Gatorade. I actually felt good for them.

Trying to see the positive: we've given not just the opposing teams but the good people of Detroit, Charlotte and Kansas City reason to celebrate this season.

That's what we do, we give and we give and we give. That's who we are as an organization.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is not the problem.

Posted by: GC4Life | October 20, 2009 10:37 AM

For anyone saying Campbell isn't the problem...I'd just have to agree to disagree from this point further. There is enough film on him. And the 6-0 Denver Broncos didn't want him.

@VaBeach - I know you mean well...And I ain't knocking you...because I feel you, Etrod, 4-12, RedDMV....Well heck...the WHOLE REDSKIN NATION....I'm just saying, the OLine went downhill as far as injuries are concerned, I'll give it to the bloggers who predicted this, but the OLine isn't the reason we are sitting here @ 2-4 and (hopefully) close to bottoming out.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

yod, 27-12, I don't give a crap if he wears a skirt when he makes the throws, he wins...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Look, no respectable GM or HC is gona come in and take over in the middle of the season. And if one did, he probably wouldnt be the right guy, and Skins fans obviously want "the right guy" to come in and take over. So theres no sense in hoping for this thing to start over midway. You have to sit throught these last 10 games. Deal with it. I am.
Firing Zorn right now won't achieve anything in the grand scheme of things.

FIRE CERRATO!!! (at the end of the season)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There are still 10 miserable games left in the nightmare of a season. All I can think about is who our new coach and if we're lucky our new GM is. GM first of course if that the way the owner goes. I hope we draft OL not QB in round 1. I agree we should trade some dead weight today but I doubt it.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 20, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Bean, teams win games. Records don't mean jack when you talk about individual players.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | October 20, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Ugh 4th. Yes, the "reason" the team is 2-4 is "Jason Campbell." Nothing else. It's his fault. He's the "problem."

Try the apathy route...it clears your mind.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Not that we'll have any real sense of this unless Vinny blabs it around, but what on earth could ShermL's measurements for success be?

More than one first down in the fourth quarter? Better than 30% on third down conversions? (Yep, that's our 3rd down conversion rate so far.) More than 13.2 points per game? (Yep, that's our average PPG so far.) That's how low the bar could be. Just shoot me.

And so help me god if we hear about Danny and Vinny game planning and talking offense with ShermL... I'll be... I'll be...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

How in the WORLD can Sherm Lewis SUCCEED??? Ain't happening. I actually feel sorry for him - what a MESS he walked into.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 20, 2009 10:49 AM

Why do you feel sorry for him? I don't get it?

This ain't my cripple grandfather who wasn't able to walk @ Sherm's age. This dude has actually been doing things. HE is of sound mind. And he could have back out/not entertained Cerrato when he called.

This dude was @ Bill Walsh's right hand during the 49ers' Dynasty and during the Packers SuperBowl runs. Apparently, Sherm thinks he can do it. Why would he want his legacy ruined?

These are the times, during moments of trial and tribulations, that extradoniary people rise to the occassion. Or atleast give it their all w/o wimpering in a corner.

They sing this song at many funerals:

Don't Cry for Me.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why do we all think that Bruce Allen is a solid personel guy. Didn't Tampa get worse every year under him and Gruden?

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

4-12........

Where did I say this is JC17's fault???!!!?? All I said is, it's not just the OLine's fault and JC17 ain't the answer.

Fault lies every where.....But Zorn and JC have basically become intertwined, and you can't deny that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

You don't think Bruce Allen would come in right now? you don't think Casserly would right now? You don't think Floyd Reese would? You don't think a guy like Thomas Dimitriof who was in a personnel department (Pats) but not the GM would jump right now at the opportunity to be a GM right now?

I agree no established coach would walk into this mess mid-season. But the only personnel guys who wouldn't are the guys who are already employed as GMs. But there are good personnel guys out there available that I guarantee you would jump at this job given assurances of autonomy. If Snyder would commit to giving control to a GM, we are a dream job. An uncapped year comming, we have like 5 players we are committed to past this season, the new GM will get to pick his coach, QB, and remake 75% of an offensive roster while inheriting a talented defense. And Snyder has shown he is more than willing to spend. Only downside, we are down 2 draft picks, not the worst thing in the world. Once again too late though, after the Panthers game a real GM should have been hired and Vinny fired. Then maybe we could have shipped some guys outta here for draft picks....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

SKINS FANS: Plz sign the petition to get rid of Dan Snyder!! http://www.mervisdiamond.com/engagement-diamond

If your not going sign the petition then BOYCOTT THE SKINS or hopefully both.

We need to send a message to Dan Snyder.

Posted by: mattphillips | October 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is neither the problem nor the solution.

He's just a boy, standing in front of a girl asking her to love him.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Look, no respectable GM or HC is gona come in and take over in the middle of the season. And if one did, he probably wouldnt be the right guy, and Skins fans obviously want "the right guy" to come in and take over. So theres no sense in hoping for this thing to start over midway. You have to sit throught these last 10 games. Deal with it. I am.
Firing Zorn right now won't achieve anything in the grand scheme of things.

FIRE CERRATO!!! (at the end of the season)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:09 AM

I agree about a new head coach not coming in midseason because he would need the offseason to implement his plans but I don't see a problem with a new GM coming in and like zfr mentioned they could begin the evaluation process now.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Why do we all think that Bruce Allen is a solid personel guy. Didn't Tampa get worse every year under him and Gruden?

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that was his fault, I could be wrong, but it sure seems to me that the Glazers don't want to spend money there. He kept them competitive even through last season (they were fighting for a playoff spot in week 16) despite having one of the lowest payrolls in the league. Tampa literally had to sign Derrick Ward this year to meet the salary minimum. Not sure its fair to judge them when that is your working constraints.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If Sunday told us anything:

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO STARTS

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 20, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

FIRE CERRATO!!! (at the end of the season)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

There's no reason to wait until the end of the season. What the GM should be doing right now is looking at what to do in the future. It's not like firing your coaches who are actively forming strategy every week. The GM is concerned with the draft, coaches, and personnel for NEXT YEAR, which is why the sooner we have a new GM thinking about what to do for US, the better off we will be.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Apathy rules.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So what?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"For anyone saying Campbell isn't the problem...I'd just have to agree to disagree from this point further.

I'm just saying, the OLine went downhill as far as injuries are concerned,...but the OLine isn't the reason we are sitting here @ 2-4......."


I read this as "JC is the problem." Perhaps I misinterpretified.
Thanks for clarifying with "Fault lies every where." Agree to agree on the last statement.

Also 4th, 'your' a bama...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Have any of you read the "Shadows of Doubt" article on this here site?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

RE; Jeff Fisher

cL, I'm just looking at his win/loss record. It's the only way to measure a coach.

And the GM of the Titans for much of his time their was Bud Adams, right? Isn't he regarded as one of the better GMs in the league?

They have had talent on his teams, but have nothing but a near .500 record to show for it. To me Fisher = Holmgren, without being a terrible GM.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

RE; Jeff Fisher

cL, I'm just looking at his win/loss record. It's the only way to measure a coach.

And the GM of the Titans for much of his time their was Bud Adams, right? Isn't he regarded as one of the better GMs in the league?

They have had talent on his teams, but have nothing but a near .500 record to show for it. To me Fisher = Holmgren, without being a terrible GM.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Apathy rules.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So what?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Indifference as well.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, it'll never happen. I agree though with the uncapped year coming up and an owner whose only positive attribute is his willingness to spend, its an ideal year to start over. I just dont see it happening. Because it will take more than whats happened to date for Snyder to dump Vinny at the end of the season, much less in the middle. And I just dont see any respectable GM coming into a situtation like this in the middle of the season, maybe not when the seasons over. I wouldnt blame them. Its one f%$#@ed up situation. I dont think theres any precedent for that. And these NFL guys seem to follow time honored tradition, the tried and true.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

think Holmgren may end up in San Diego, he has west coast ties a house in Mexico and it just seems like a good fit.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 10:26 AM

Shefter and Clayton reported that Holmgren wants back into the league with a team on the East Coast.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's best QB's

brad Johnson - released
mark brunell - i guess, cause of the jax days
jason campbell

hmm, start a big tough young guy with a laser cannon or start a tough old man with a pea shooter, hmmmmm

maybe sherm will K.I.S.S. and we'll look like we did in the 1st half of the Patriots pre season game

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I caught the highlights (their term, not mine) of the Chiefs game yesterday in the lobby of my work building, and I couldn't help smiling when the Chiefs players doused their coach with Gatorade. I actually felt good for them.

Trying to see the positive: we've given not just the opposing teams but the good people of Detroit, Charlotte and Kansas City reason to celebrate this season.

That's what we do, we give and we give and we give. That's who we are as an organization.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse


I think you are onto something here Nate. Its kind of like the feel good part of the government bail out. GM bailed out... Redskins lose to Lions. BoA bailout... Redskins lose to Panthers. H1N1 killing off meat packing industry...Redskins lose to Chiefs.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

red, you double posting, 5 6' tall, bama....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

F*ck Jason Campbell, his glacial progressions, his inaccuracy, his feelings.

There are a lot of problems with the Washington Redskins, and yes, he's one of them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"I believe in 2 out of 3 1st rounders so far. We just need someone to throw it to them......"

Yeah you "believe" (if you just wish hard enough Tinkerbell will come back to life!)that Heyer is good....

so...NEXT

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Seems to be two camps regarding Campbell.

Those who don't think he's a good QB.

Those who want to find a new excuse for him every year. This year, it's the offensive line.

Those who make the excuses, don't think that the offensive line sucking and Campbell sucking can happen at the same time. And always deflect any criticism of Campbell towards an offensive line conversation.

This team needs a new offensive line and it also needs a new quarterback. I think it's obvious that both of these statements are givens.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

maybe sherm will K.I.S.S. and we'll look like we did in the 1st half of the Patriots pre season game


I wish I didn't watch this game...this was what I expected out of the team offensively this year....can't someone at the park show JZ a copy of that game plan?? Why is that not able to be duplicated??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Sad....Very Sad.....We don't go to college for this SJK!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33381424/ns/sports-college_football/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

JC deserves an opportunity, five years in not enough. I heard the entire league is inquiring about his availability - literally, there is a line of coaches, gms, and owners begging Snyder for a trade. I heard of at least two teams who are willing to package the Manning brothers for JC; thank God, Snyder is not falling for that.


Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah that story is horrible. Its been covered here in NYC as a local story b/c of our proximity to UCONN....heartbreaking really.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Shefter and Clayton reported that Holmgren wants back into the league with a team on the East Coast.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

____________

I think he'll be the guy that goes to the Bills.

I think Holmgren would be a mistake, because it would just put the team back at square one again after a short stint. Similar situation to Gibbs where I don't think he'd be in it for the long haul.

Might be a "get it pointed in the right direction" kind of hire though.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The vote might as well be, "Do you want an AMC Pacer or a Fort Pinto?" :p

Posted by: blackjack65 | October 20, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I know right, beans.

I NEVER double post.

I got butterfingers today, what can I say?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Any chance Snyder will sell, or could be made to sell by fan and press pressure?

Posted by: nadeemsx | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

This team will NEVER and I mean NEVER be anything other than mediocre under the current "brain" trust. This Sherm Lewis deal is the iceberg. They hired a guy with a history as a poor play caller to call plays. I remember when there were always questions about why Sherm Lewis never got interviews for head coaching jobs when positions opened and the knock was always that he didn't call plays for the successful offenses he "coordinated." This season is over. The HC has been constructively fired.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

who cares? Dan Marino couldn't get rid of the ball fast enough with the Snyderato O-Line.

Posted by: tony325 | October 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Heyer is serviceable....Not good

Now what!!??

I'm bout to start replace 4-12 with cL when I....

F 4-12!

And cL too

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Pats cut Galloway.

I'm sure Vinny will want to sign him. You can never have enough WRs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Any chance Snyder will sell, or could be made to sell by fan and press pressure?

Posted by: nadeemsx | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

________________

Only way he'd sell is if the team becomes less profitable.

I think it's more likely that the NFL steps in and asks him to hire a GM and step away from operations, like they did with the Mara's in New York.

I'd be fine with Snyder as owner as long as he hires a proper GM to run the team, and backs off.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I dont want Holmgren, his track record is a mixed bag. And after the Zorn experiment, F*&% the WCO. More than that, F&^% Cerrato for bringing it to DC. We didnt have the personel to run it.

I would be in favor of the young Polian. A young, hungry for success guy. He has good GM genes and a dad he can get quality advice from if needed.

But, I'd settle for a guy who doesnt recruit retired coaches from old folks homes to take over the offense in week 7 of the NFL season.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, Moss, and Andre Carter now, for whatever picks you can get... put Betts and ARE on the shelf, and start Campbell at QB for as long as he can remain upright (give him a chance to market himself for his next contract, wherever that will be).

Let's get Marko and the '08 2nd rounders on the field as the primary pass-catchers, and move Orakpo to DE full-time (let C. Wilson play SLB full-time to give him a chance to claim that spot).

This season is already a total loss, we know sweeping changes are coming to the roster and staff, so why not position ourselves for the upcoming draft, and also give the young guys already on the roster a real chance to show us what they've got.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

No. No more wide receivers. JC can only focus on one and he must be double and tripled team before he throws the ball to him.

Posted by: hock1 | October 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33381424/ns/sports-college_football/

Posted by: 4thFloor


Sh** is crazy. One of the few places where a "brotha" can escape and he still gets caught up in it somehow.

I swear, the older I get the more I feel that "my people" are just cursed. F'd up sh** always happens to "us".

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Last nights Monday night game. Denver looks like the real deal, that team is giving max effort. Royal showed what a KO returner with real speed can do. Orton faced no pressure all night, made no mistakes. Even Campbell would flourish in that situation. On the other hand the Chargers looked like NORV's team. I think that I would take Zorn over Norv.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

tony325, exactly right! We can discuss coaches and draft picks and systems until we're blue in the face, but no offense can work without an O line.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What good is trading picks if the people making trades and sweeping changes don't know jack sjk about football? They just hired a guy to call plays who has been out of football for five years and couldn't sniff an NFL job even when his buddies were still coaching.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This team will NEVER and I mean NEVER be anything other than mediocre under the current "brain" trust. This Sherm Lewis deal is the iceberg. They hired a guy with a history as a poor play caller to call plays. I remember when there were always questions about why Sherm Lewis never got interviews for head coaching jobs when positions opened and the knock was always that he didn't call plays for the successful offenses he "coordinated." This season is over. The HC has been constructively fired.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Michael Wilbon suggested The Sherminator didnt get a HC gig because he is black. At least Wilbon is dependable, you can always depend on him to play the race card if even remotely available!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I'll ask rhetorically again, why is rock still returning kicks??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, Moss, and Andre Carter now, for whatever picks you can get... put Betts and ARE on the shelf, and start Campbell at QB for as long as he can remain upright (give him a chance to market himself for his next contract, wherever that will be).

Posted by: PDXskin | October 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

__________________

There's still a salary cap this year. Therefore Portis isn't trade material. Nobody would want to take on his existing contract, and it would put the Redskins in a situation where they'd have to find another 5-7 million in cap space to take the hit.

I wish people would consider these things before posting their arm-chair GM ideas.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

today is the trade deadline. where's the story on the players that should move? that "insider" perspective on potential trade talk....

Posted by: mopp04 | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis, Moss, and Andre Carter now, for whatever picks you can get... put Betts and ARE on the shelf, and start Campbell at QB for as long as he can remain upright (give him a chance to market himself for his next contract, wherever that will be).

Let's get Marko and the '08 2nd rounders on the field as the primary pass-catchers, and move Orakpo to DE full-time (let C. Wilson play SLB full-time to give him a chance to claim that spot).

This season is already a total loss, we know sweeping changes are coming to the roster and staff, so why not position ourselves for the upcoming draft, and also give the young guys already on the roster a real chance to show us what they've got.

Posted by: PDXskin

I know your heart is in the right place, but that sounds like a snyderrato move if i've ever heard one. Unfortunately I have heard many more thatn 1.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Zorn = Norv

Not leaders of men at all.

Both have shown they can develop QBs, although Norv has done it more times than Zorn.

Both have that lame duckness to them.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Heyer is a serviceable:

turnstile

as a red blanket bull fighters use

as a revolving door

as a guard at Walmart

as a tackling dummy

as a model at the big and tall store

as glass wall

as an open door

as a guy used to pad opposing players stats

as the 54th player

ADD YOUR HERE

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

ReDMV - When I went to school....Brothas was always getting caught up in this type stuff. @ UMES, my roommates' buddy got in a beef with some dudes and got a pistol...But he wans't no Braveheart type dude and did too much talking, while the Police were pulling up, and they saw he had something in his pants......From College to jail for 2 years...Then multiple violaations of his parole....He just got out 3 months ago from his last parole violation, and that gun incident happened back in 1999....So you know his life's path changed dramatically....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I'll ask rhetorically again, why is rock still returning kicks??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


I'll do you one better:

Why is he still on the team?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Red, you make it sound like he was walking down the street in Storrs and was subject to a random act of violence.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I know your heart is in the right place, but that sounds like a snyderrato move if i've ever heard one. Unfortunately I have heard many more thatn 1.

Posted by: pabrian2003

Trading our players for draft picks is in no way a snyderatto move.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Zorn = Norv

Not leaders of men at all.

Both have shown they can develop QBs, although Norv has done it more times than Zorn.

Both have that lame duckness to them.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

______________

Only difference is that Norv knows how to construct an offense and put together a game plan at a high level.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'll ask rhetorically again, why is rock still returning kicks??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


I'll do you one better:

Why is he still on the team?

Posted by: RedDMV

Because he's one of the only captains left on our team with credibility and player respect.

Not that it's necessarily good enough, but that's the reason.

Posted by: REXskins | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Can't trade Portis, Moss, Carter, ARE, Landry, Griffen, Samuels, Thomas, Dockery, Dhall, Fletcher, Orakpo, Haynesworth, or Cooley. We are still in a capped year and all of those guys make too much money to be traded. Not saying I want them all traded, just saying even if I did you couldn't do it. I would like to see Betts and A. Montegomery traded and they are the only guys we have that we could trade that I could possibly see anybody wanting. Everyone else who anybody might remotely be interested in we can't afford to trade.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The punting situation is so indicative of Cerrato and Snyder. They are great at not solving imaginary problems, and completly ignoring real problems.

release Alridge and Mason and pick up Kendall and Fabini

Chargers lost a DT and picked up 2 guys last week that played fairly well, so that stuff about no one's left is B.S.

what about Geisenger? Get some g.d. O line up in here VINNY YOU BUM

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Michael Wilbon suggested The Sherminator didnt get a HC gig because he is black. At least Wilbon is dependable, you can always depend on him to play the race card if even remotely available!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM

You have to give it to the Redskins....We have had one of the most black filled coaching spots around the league. From Hue JAckson calling the plays....to Robiskie being the interim...to Jerry Gray becoming the interim at some point this year...Shem Smith and Blache who are our coordinators....To the front office (Morroco and Scott Campbell)...

F Wilbon and his boy Whitlock.....I question them in their regards via articles they write to paint Black People 30 and under....GTF outta here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV - did you see PTI? Wilbon used the deck chair/Titanic metaphor. I think it's jumped the shark.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 20, 2009 10:09 AM

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Ermmmmm...

I employed the Titanic waaaaay before Red did, and also before Steinberg ever posted the short spoof on his blog, but more importantly, this is a very common metaphor.

Besides, it's the sports columnists who have the job that anyone of us hamsters might envy.

(at least I do.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Start JC to see if he can execute any better with a different signal caller and maybe Sherm Lewis will let him audible in the red zone (assuming we ever get there again with this patchwork quilt of an OLine).

If JC still can't produce, let Collins come in and get the bejeezus knocked out of him for a few weeks, and then put JC back in for the remaining 5 games when Collins goes on IR.

sure would have been great if we'd have picked up Mike Vick. the beating he would have taken would have quelled the animal rights activist as fair payback.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 20, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 11:17

Zjfr2, I could not agree more with your post...you hit the nail on the head. We can only hope that Snyder is not too dim to also recognize this as the best possible solution (although the recent patterns of behavior demonstrated by the front-office is not encouraging in that regard).

Posted by: PDXskin | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

4th, the stuff is crazy. You, I, and a few other people on this blog can share stories like that. Not saying that it's only brothas, but damn. You don't hear about 'Micheal Wolgenheimer' caught up and some dumb s*** like that. It's always the likes of 'DeQuan Jones'.

I'm just sick of it... tired of asking "for what?" and searching for a real explanation other than the usual bs.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Because he's one of the only captains left on our team with credibility and player respect.

Great. He still is less than average at Kick Returning, and doesn't seem to have the ability to break one.

Put DT back there, and see what he can do.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

The "Poor Jim Zorn" thing is tired at this point. He can quit anytime he wants. He keeps going and collecting paychecks that most only dream about so let's just stop with the foolishness.

Posted by: Gweez |

Spoken like a true non-athlete. Zorn was once a helluva QB. He's been a winner. He's fought back repeatedly when behind. And you think a guy like that is going to quit? Nope. He's gonna be carried off on his shield.

Another thing. He used to bike ride with "W." So let's assume a he's a Republican and doesn't voluntarily give up money.

He's also had the misfortune to be hired by the worst owner in sports and had his personnel gathered by the worst GM in the NFL.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I also take issue with RedDMV's assertion that a leader of men has to be some macho, all up in your face type, or whatever Red thinks a good leader is supposed to behave like.

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Good leadership is a little more complex, and subtle than this... and moreover, Zorn has seemingly earned the respect of his players, which does count for something.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Sh** is crazy. One of the few places where a "brotha" can escape and he still gets caught up in it somehow.

I swear, the older I get the more I feel that "my people" are just cursed. F'd up sh** always happens to "us".

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Maybe "your people" should educate young men to quit shooting and stabbing each other. Just an idea.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

F Wilbon and his boy Whitlock.....I question them in their regards via articles they write to paint Black People 30 and under....GTF outta here....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't really want to get into this, but I personally applaud there efforts to speak out. You honestly don't think that the hip hop/gangster culture that is forced on young black men and women that teaches them that women are and should be hoes, and that bling, drugs, and cash are all that matter doesn't affect the black community and doesn't teach young black men that they should aspire to be thugs and criminals? I applaud the efforts of men like Wilbon, Whitlock, and Cosby who are trying to get the word out that there is more to aspire to in life. Maybe you don't need to hear that, but I think plenty of people do.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with JC he had his chance. But I would like to see him come off the bench and be spectacular. But in reality I'm tired of watching BLAH BLAH BLAH!! I do like JC and Zorn as people but Jeeze-O-Flip they just can't get it regarding football !!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with JC he had his chance. But I would like to see him come off the bench and be spectacular. But in reality I'm tired of watching BLAH BLAH BLAH!! I do like JC and Zorn as people but Jeeze-O-Flip they just can't get it regarding football !!!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Tom Collins bailed out Gibbs in 2007 with 4 wins. Dont see why he can't bail out Zorn with at least that many now. oh and FCUK Snyder

In order to watch Skins games I need several Tom Collins.

Posted by: millineumman | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Forget JC he had his chance and couldn't get it done!!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Whoa there, Red. Micheal Wolgenheimer is a straight-up deuche, a real hell-raiser, rotten to the core. Yeah, sure, he's the whitest dude I know, but he is a trouble magnet. He's just really good at keeping his messes off the internet... you google him and get nothing, he's like Keyser Soze, he's a ghost... creeps me out, man. That is a bad dude.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

'Micheal Wolgenheimer'

Mike lives 2 houses down from me, he's got couple kids, he's doing ok for himself.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is (Rock) still on the team?

Posted by: RedDMV

He's a 5'8" seventh round pick who's played in the NFL for years. He's risen to special teams captain, and is a first rate ST player. He returns KOs because he won't fumble, and knows when to bring the ball out and when to take a knee.

The argument is not with him, but with his coaches as to who runs back KOs. But give me 53 assorted Rock Cartwrights and I'll get you into the playoffs.

Y

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

My vote for Campbell isn't really a vote for Campbell or even a vote against Collins. With our offensive line, we need somebody who can scramble. And if my choices are a slow dude and a statue, I'll take the slow dude.

Posted by: Tank2 | October 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

4th, the stuff is crazy. You, I, and a few other people on this blog can share stories like that. Not saying that it's only brothas, but damn. You don't hear about 'Micheal Wolgenheimer' caught up and some dumb s*** like that. It's always the likes of 'DeQuan Jones'.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 12:00 PM

You know why you don't hear about "Wolgenheimer"? Because he's not as concerned with "keeping it real." There are a whole host of sociological reasons for this that could fill a dissertation but brothas blessed with futures and opportunities need to learn to walk away when trouble is about to start rather than join the fray.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll give Zorn this: I bet he could spin a football on his finger better than any head coach in the NFL!

Posted by: joeboggs | October 20, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV is baiting.

That man is not a "brother."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Tom Collins bailed out Gibbs in 2007...

I don't think Gibbs drinks.

Someone had to say it...

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Micheal Wolgenheimer is OG. That's why he doesn't end up in the papers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

cork, no you wouldn't either, Rock is what he is, and that is an average at best special teams player, not much more, and not much less...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Zorn = Norv

Not leaders of men at all.

Both have shown they can develop QBs, although Norv has done it more times than Zorn.

Both have that lame duckness to them.

Posted by: RedDMV

Well, at least Norv's offense could score points. This dude's offense is the worst by far.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Sh** is crazy. One of the few places where a "brotha" can escape and he still gets caught up in it somehow.

I swear, the older I get the more I feel that "my people" are just cursed. F'd up sh** always happens to "us".

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Maybe "your people" should educate young men to quit shooting and stabbing each other. Just an idea.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

Good. Just what this board has lacked. Whiny black people and RIght Wing Deuschebags.

That's a joke, kids. And yes, just because it's a joke doesn't means it doesn't have elements of truth.

The Previous comment was brought to you by the newly merged ACLU/NRA. I LOVE their motto. "Freeing and Arming Criminals together since July 2009."

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Hi, my name is Jim Zorn.

I am speaking to you today from the cross I have had my feet and hands nailed to.

Feel free to throw stuff at me.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt kicked Micheal Wolgenheimer's azz...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Good. Just what this board has lacked. Whiny black people and RIght Wing Deuschebags.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse


German bags?

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's to "Micheal Wolgenheimer" as a new RI meme... somebody make a wiki page on this, pronto...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen this posted, but ESPN says Campbell will start:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4578786

Posted by: cheeseburger53 | October 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I'll ask rhetorically again, why is rock still returning kicks??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I'll add to that. Why wasn't he cut in pre-season? I was sure he was done when his publicist Jason La CanHater left.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt kicked Micheal Wolgenheimer's azz...

Posted by: 4-12

Dam 4-12 I was just trying to get a joke together based on this! Good work sir.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Another thing. He used to bike ride with "W." So let's assume a he's a Republican and doesn't voluntarily give up money.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:01 PM |
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That fact that he CHOSE to hang out with Shrub in any capacity means we can assume he's a complete idiot.

I wonder if Zorn's wife has to hide the pretzels from him as well.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

while we're asking questions, what does, 'sjk' mean again??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The situation is simple, like it or not, of the people on this roster at the qb position, Jason Campbell gives us the best chance to win. Unless you don't want to win, there's no reason in the world not to be supporting Campbell here.

With our joke of an O-line, he's big enough and mobile enough to at least give us a shot.

And to those of you who think the qb is the problem, this is football. You have to give the qb a chance to make plays. This O-line didn't protect Collins, just like it doesn't protect Campbell. And thats precisely whats wrong with this team.

There are two types of QBs in this league, game managers, and game changers, and with the right personnel around them, both can be successful. And since there are only 3 game changers in the NFL right now, its about putting Campbell in a situation to succeed. Something that has not happened in the 3 years, thats right 3 years, thats he's been on the field here.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Snyder will sell, or could be made to sell by fan and press pressure?

Posted by: nadeemsx | October 20, 2009 11:38 AM |

About the same chance as Cork voting Republican.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The situation is simple, like it or not, of the people on this roster at the qb position, Jason Campbell gives us the best chance to win. Unless you don't want to win, there's no reason in the world not to be supporting Campbell here.

With our joke of an O-line, he's big enough and mobile enough to at least give us a shot.

And to those of you who think the qb is the problem, this is football. You have to give the qb a chance to make plays. This O-line didn't protect Collins, just like it doesn't protect Campbell. And thats precisely whats wrong with this team.

There are two types of QBs in this league, game managers, and game changers, and with the right personnel around them, both can be successful. And since there are only 3 game changers in the NFL right now, its about putting Campbell in a situation to succeed. Something that has not happened in the 3 years, thats right 3 years, thats he's been on the field here.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

What QBs have Zorn developed?
What offense has he developed
Maybe he's good at Madden football.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

cork, no you wouldn't either, Rock is what he is, and that is an average at best special teams player, not much more, and not much less...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

How would you know? You see his leadership? You in the huddle with him? You watch him work with rookies in practice on coverages? You talk to Danny Smith much? You hear the blocking assignments Cartwright calls out as personal protector on punts? You grade him at meetings?

Or like all the other deep thinkers here, do you look around and say--hmmm, who can we blame because my team stinks? Hey, what about THAT guy...

Or do you just sit there, fat dumb and happy, in the comfort of your easy chair, making judgments about things of which you have no expertese.

I think the last item is the case. So I hereby nominate you as RI Board Captain.

Do us proud.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Transport yourself, if you will, to about 9:30 Monday night. The Eagles have a seemingly insurmountable 2-0 lead (Thank you, Stephon).
TheDan hands you the keys and says "Coach Gray, make me proud".
What do you do?

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

SJK= Sorry Jack's Kids....

It was a sub for cussing b/c zjfr2, back when he was Jack, got his panties bunched at lewd language and made up some SJK about how his kids read the blog....at first people just cussed as normal and then added a "Sorry Jack's Kids" then it shortened to SJK...then it replaced the curse word...

One of the best RI memes of all time, I think.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Michael Wolgenheimer is a deutche bag.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

while we're asking questions, what does, 'sjk' mean again??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

sorry jacks kids

as in my kids, as in like 3 years ago there was some poster on here that was non-stop cursing and I said my kids come on here and read the blog and could he quit it, it became a large joke and sjk was born....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN chat with Matt Mosley:

ED (DC)
Matt, with Zorn?s fate almost sealed, does Vinny Cerrato get the boot as well this season?

Mosley (12:16 PM)
A lot of folks are asking that question, Ed. I would not rule that out. I'm told that Snyder's not particularly happy with Cerrato's work right now. I think the Zorn hire is on Vinny's docket. And that's not looking so good.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jim Zorn does get fired, if for no other reason, so he can stop taking abuse on Redskins Insider.

Sometimes, ya'll make me sick.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

He's a 5'8" seventh round pick who's played in the NFL for years. He's risen to special teams captain, and is a first rate ST player. He returns KOs because he won't fumble, and knows when to bring the ball out and when to take a knee.

The argument is not with him, but with his coaches as to who runs back KOs. But give me 53 assorted Rock Cartwrights and I'll get you into the playoffs.

Y

Posted by: TheCork

Playoffs? In what league? And isn't that the rsume for most special teams captains in the league?

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

That fact that he CHOSE to hang out with Shrub in any capacity means we can assume he's a complete idiot.

I wonder if Zorn's wife has to hide the pretzels from him as well.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

I don't often agree with you, but when you're right, you're right.

Tho George Allen, who was NOT a complete idiot, spent time with Nixon.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

One of the best RI memes of all time, I think.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:20 PM

Especially since "shabingus" seems to have slipped from the vocabulary, even as the shabingi come faster and furiouser.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

guys, was KIDDING about the sjk thing..jeeze....

cork, I look at what he does on Sunday, and I see that its middle of the road, or poorer...

so you really think that a team full of special teams guys, is what this team is missing??

Sorry to rain on your parade, but rock is older, and seems to have lost what little explosiveness he's got....time to give up the ghost with that guy....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of dooshes Corky...thanks for dropping by.

a$$hat.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, ya'll make me sick.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:21 PM

And a sick chia pet is not a pretty sight. All the chia fuzz dries up and stinks.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Garcia

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

New poll question of the day;

Vinnie Cerrator or Pepper Rodgers?

Posted by: badenjr | October 20, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Besides, it's the sports columnists who have the job that anyone of us hamsters might envy.

(at least I do.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 11:56 AM

Go back and finish up that English/Journalism degree.. Joo would roxxorz as the columnist!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

My question to Matt Mosley on the ESPN chat gets answered:

David (Alexandria)
Any tradable players on the Redskin roster that would have any value to the Redskins? I doubt they'll make any moves before the deadline with their attention directed more towards undermining Zorn.

Mosley (12:24 PM)
I like your style with the parting shot. I don't think there are that many valuable pieces. If someone was desperate for a corner, maybe Carlos Rogers brings you a little something back.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

cork, I look at what he does on Sunday, and I see that its middle of the road, or poorer...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:23 PM |

Hey, if the rest of the team would get their sh1t up to "middle of the road" we'd be 3-3 instead of 2-4 and all would be peace and sunshine. Zorn would be calling his own plays. Etc.

Posted by: League-Source | October 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Garcia

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Nothing like a 40 year old journeyman QB to give us hope. Why not John Kitna too.

Posted by: dcwun | October 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Or do you just sit there, fat dumb and happy, in the comfort of your easy chair, making judgments about things of which you have no expertise.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2009 12:19 PM

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You just described just about every RI hamster, except I question how many are actually "happy."

Fat and dumb?

I'd say 50/50.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinnie and Dan. I beat the Eagles 59-21 on Madden last night. Had the Eagle defense looking totally confused the whole game. Eagles points came during garbage time. I'm available, and I work cheap!

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the FanNation article that said Shanahan already turned the Skins down after the loss to the Lions?

Posted by: mattylight | October 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Fat and dumb?
I'd say 50/50.

How about "Fat and not-football-smart"? I think that covers it.

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

He's a 5'8" seventh round pick who's played in the NFL for years. He's risen to special teams captain, and is a first rate ST player. He returns KOs because he won't fumble, and knows when to bring the ball out and when to take a knee.

The argument is not with him, but with his coaches as to who runs back KOs. But give me 53 assorted Rock Cartwrights and I'll get you into the playoffs.

Y

Posted by: TheCork


Give me 7 Rock Cartwrights and a beautiful brunette and I'll give you Snow White and Seven Dwarves...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the FanNation article that said Shanahan already turned the Skins down after the loss to the Lions?

Posted by: mattylight

CSN reported this yesterday.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinnie and Dan. I beat the Eagles 59-21 on Madden last night.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 12:28 PM

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Isn't there a better way for you to dawdle away your nights?

Don't you live in Vegas?

Go roll some dice or something!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "your people" should educate young men to quit shooting and stabbing each other. Just an idea.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


You're probably expecting me to go on some long curse you out rant, but when you're right, you're right.

Just do a little reading and studying before you make a bold and categorizing statement like that. It reads like you're some jackass who thinks blacks are the cause of everything f'd up in society.

Re: Mike Wolgenheimer - "This film is fictional. Any similarities to persons living or dead is purely coincidental."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Alex Barron. Trade a player/pick for the guy and sign him to a long term deal.

Draft a LT with the first rounder next year.

Alex Barron. Alex Barron. Alex Barr...

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Give me 7 Rock Cartwrights and a beautiful brunette and I'll give you Snow White and Seven Dwarves...

I'll take the brunette, and you can go play dungeons and dragons with your new friends.

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Not in football shape, poor conditioning, not exactly super-smart, but a core blog commenter nonetheless, just blogging my guts out up here...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Chia, I did that right after going to cashiers window, Denver +3.5 against NORV was a lock.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

F*** SJK.

No kids read this blog.

Y'all needed the raw up here. Open your mf'ing eyes up a little

Tuh, "SJK". SJK my ass.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Just do a little reading and studying before you make a bold and categorizing statement like that.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 20, 2009 12:32 PM

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From the "King of Bold and Categorizing Statements."

aka RedDMV

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

saltine, agreed on the player, disagree on the means of aquiring him, I believe he's a free agent after this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just said on ESPN 980 in the Zorn Show that JC will start.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone see the FanNation article that said Shanahan already turned the Skins down after the loss to the Lions?

Posted by: mattylight

CSN reported this yesterday.

Posted by: Lisa_R

And I read it n yahoo last week. This is old news...some new deets may of come out, but this week was not the first this was reported.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

On the latest rumo(u)red savio(u)r of this franchise, Mike Shanahan...the way I understand the Rooney Rule...Shans could only accept the job now as "interim head coach," and then in the off-season, the team would have to go thru the Rooney due diligence.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll take the brunette, and you can go play dungeons and dragons with your new friends.

Posted by: daggar

Those dwarves may not be great kick returners but they are mean, man. You take away their woman and you're going to get seven lumps on your head. Hey, maybe Dan Snyder likes to keep Cartwright around because he's the only player on the team that he is taller than...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't really want to get into this, but I personally applaud there efforts to speak out. You honestly don't think that the hip hop/gangster culture that is forced on young black men and women that teaches them that women are and should be hoes, and that bling, drugs, and cash are all that matter doesn't affect the black community and doesn't teach young black men that they should aspire to be thugs and criminals? I applaud the efforts of men like Wilbon, Whitlock, and Cosby who are trying to get the word out that there is more to aspire to in life. Maybe you don't need to hear that, but I think plenty of people do.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 20, 2009 12:02 PM

A Gangster is a criminal who is a member of a crime organization, such as a gang. The terms are most commonly used in reference to members of the criminal organizations associated with American prohibition and the American offshoot of the Italian Mafia, such as the Chicago Outfit, the Philadelphia Mafia, and the Five Families, and individuals such as Al Capone and Bugsy Siegel. Gangsters have been romanticized in popular culture in films such as The Godfather series and TV shows like The Sopranos.

All these are recognized as 'cool' and don't have SJK to do with Blacks.

Also, Drugs/Prostitution/love for money/such as has been around since we had any power outside of Africa.

It's bigger than what they try to make it. And they are hippocrites. If the truly meant what they wrote, they'd move to Lincoln Heights, or 640, or BArry Farms and try to help those out. I would explain it here, but that seems to be more offseason type disscussion. I just hate that Wilbon/Whitlock lumps everyone together....like they did Sean Taylor and people who go to All Star Weekend. But I'll end it here.

But the Italian Mob is sooo cool and it's ok for Pesci to call out Blacks derogatory names. Ok.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Who really cares the best of the best who have ever played QB would get sodomized by the opposing defense behind the Skins horrendous offensive line. I highlight "OFFENSIVE" in reference to the line, Buges must be beside himself having to coach that sorry bunch day in and day out. I see defenses looking at Jason Cambell like a huge porterhouse steak, and when you look in his eyes, he has that look, "I know whats for dinner". Please end the madness Snyder, we love our Skins and what they represent, but this is rediculous. Oh and by the way, Vinny would be unemployed in the NFL if you just simply let him go!

Posted by: blackhills1 | October 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

You take away their woman and you're going to get seven lumps on your head.

Well, I didn't exactly want them to stand around and watch. That's why I need you to do the dungeons and dragons. Tell them about the legendary Pickaxe of Cairth Bannor; that should give me enough time...

Posted by: daggar | October 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news: http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/redskins_hold_press

Sadly, the line between absurdity and reality has gotten mighty thin for us Skins fans....

Posted by: billshah | October 20, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

JC is a restricted free agent so the only benefit to him being the QB is for him to play better and draw interest for the end of the season to attempt to do a sign and trade for a 3rd or 4th round pick. No team will give up more than that. Would it be a surprise if you saw JC as a backup with the Saints or with the Rams. (Williams and Saunders) Sad since had mgmt not decided to change the Offensive system virtually every year he was with the Redskins he could have developed. Boycott Danny

Posted by: Hank4 | October 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

You're probably expecting me to go on some long curse you out rant, but when you're right, you're right.

Just do a little reading and studying before you make a bold and categorizing statement like that. It reads like you're some jackass who thinks blacks are the cause of everything f'd up in society.

Red,
I think its terrible the kid got killed. I didn't start the "my people" theme, you did. I wasn't hoping you would or expecting you to curse me out. I don't think blacks are the cause of everything f'ed up in this or in any other society.

I really wish that a large and easily identifiable portion of the socio- economic fabric of this great nation could find a way to quit killing themselves. Its counter productive, to say the least. By any measure, I think it is a true statement that a significant (significant = identifiable) portion of young black men engage in violence against other young black men. Not all, not most, only some. If I had any viable solutions other than "teach them not to do that", I would suggest them.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 20, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

this season is such bulls**t, f-it, you still da man London Fletcher

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

todaysskins14

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Are we talking about the Redkins or personal diatribes here?????

Posted by: blackhills1 | October 20, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Where is the "Who Cares?" choice?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | October 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

saltine, agreed on the player, disagree on the means of aquiring him, I believe he's a free agent after this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 20, 2009 12:38 PM

thought about that too, but the FA class next year is lackluster compared to years past. im not sure if he's a ufa or rfa.
also, I'd only want the trade if he agreed to sign long-term before the deal. of course i understand that may not be in his best interest considering he may get more out on the open market, but it's worth a shot.
I'd like to see the fo make a play atleast so we know they're trying.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Chia_pet. Just trying to inject a little humor to the doom and gloom. Maybe I can kill some time making up some very lenghty "what I would do if I was GM of the Skins list". That seems like the prevailing hobby of most of you experts, and a total waste of time.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is under .500....

And we SUCK right now on Offense...

So what's your point...

Get behind Sherm or get the F off.

This brotha knows what he is doing...He was there when the WCO was in it's infancy back in SanFran. HE was tutored under the ONLY Bill Walsh.

Zorn....sit back and watch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 20, 2009 10:23 AM

Dude, crack kills - put down the pipe. Does the fact that this situation NEVER happens in the NFL clue you in about how crazy this is? Seriously, its a bad sign when a team assigns playcalling TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE STAFF during the season. This is not good, bra.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

chia, congratulations!!!!!!

also sorry to hear about your job/insurance situation. hang in there. not that it matters but i vote for you to be the beat reporter...

btw...i was anti healthcare reform until my own family members were bitten by the insurance industry...and then i talked to my dr. about it...even they're for it.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Who gives us the best chance to win, Mike Williams or Joel Patton?

Posted by: joeboggs | October 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

So, what does everyone say if Washington wins on Monday night?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 20, 2009 7:47 AM
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I'll say "Hip, hip hooray. We won a game today!"

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 20, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

hitthere1, what 4th is saying that sit back and watch the titanic go down while the band plays on (*sniff*, *sniff* and the band kept on playing...*sniff* *sniff*)

Posted by: dealer1 | October 20, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10245120/Schein-9:-Can-Zorn,-but-Redskins-problems-deeper#

Normally I think Schein is a doofus but I agree with him here.

Posted by: skinswest | October 20, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Clinton ran for 78 yards and there was a big a$$ defensive tackle less than 3 yards behind clinton near the 10 yard line..

Because slow Azz Sellers was holding up traffic...he had to stay behind the blocking because Sellers didn't knock his man down....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

seriously, its a bad sign when a team assigns playcalling TO ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE STAFF during the season. This is not good, bra.
Posted by: hithere1

Jim Fassel did just that and took the Giants to the Super Bowl in 2000..the lost to the Ravens but still changing play callers mid-season can work...you just have to let it and stop crying over something that hasn't happen yet...just let it work...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I know your heart is in the right place, but that sounds like a snyderrato move if i've ever heard one. Unfortunately I have heard many more than 1.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

pabrian2003, I can only think you misread my post - a "Snyderatto" move would be hanging on to overpaid aging veterans for too long because they are "his guys" or he just overspent on them, rather than having the courage and foresight to take a cap hit in the short run in order to start the rebuilding process.

As for who can or can't be traded, I'll admit I'm not an expert in how the cap works with trades, but I would assume contracts can be re-negotiated as part of the deal, or current year salaries can be prorated, which should at least make things more palatble to the teams who might want those players (and not everybody is up tight against hte cap every year like we are, just fyi). I did see Portis named in an article on Yahoo Sports regarding possible trades before the deadline... not saying, just saying.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree with whoever said months ago that Zorn and Campbell are tied at the hip.

I like Campbell but he needs to be out of this mess and get to a stable franchise. I don't see this owner bringing him and definitely not bringing Zorn back.

Start Collins and be done with it.....better yet go to Brennan.

Let the re-building begin....

Posted by: chris_r | October 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone actually seen Campbell scramble? I've only seen him stumble over his own feet or fumble at the first sign of pressure.
The few times he has successfully scrambled, he couldn't throw the ball.
His release is also slow, which is why he will never start for a legitmate contender.
Gibbs was out of his mind taking this guy in the first round!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wizard5 | October 20, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell=Heath Shuler=Gus Frerotte=Danny Woeful

They are all the same.

Posted by: Goss1 | October 21, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

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