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Jansen Doubtful/ Rabach Probable

So looks like they will probably rule Jon out on saturday with his torn calf, but he says he can definitely play next week at St. Louis. Casey says he will play with four screws inserted in his broken left hand.
Like I've said, you can bash this team for a lot of things - and lord knows we do - but they haven't quit, for whatever that's worth.

Alright, I'm out.

I'll post something Sunday morning wrapping out our night on the town with Scott and the posse down in The Big Easy, or at least what I remember of it.

have a great weekend.
Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 15, 2006; 3:59 PM ET
 
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Do we have TWO backup offensive linemen?? It's Pucillo and then... who? Molinaro? Is he still around? What about the castoff from Denver?

Anyone got Tre Johnson's number?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Award Time

5 KHSJ's For the Great coverage

Posted by: BIg J | December 15, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of substitutions, give Duckett 30 carries. Why risk Betts and wear him down for the rest of the season since we just signed him for five years? Same thing with AA (Adam Anonymous) - let him play. Preserve what few safeties we have for next year. And give Rocky some experience. Geez. What have we got to lose by playing them? Certainly not the opportunity to get to the playoffs.

Also, I think Gggrrilliams isn't as effective this year because of his overly harsh style when the players compare his style with (semi-)mellow Gibbs and hyper- Saunders. Imho.

Posted by: charlie | December 15, 2006 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I think his man boobs have become a distraction.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, Jason. Please give a shout out to our guys helping down in NO.

By the way, who is Jansen's backup? Does anyone know?

Posted by: Lisa | December 15, 2006 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Just caught a glimpse of espn and saw their little blurb about the Skins: "Lost 7 of 9 since starting 2-2." That's our season in a nutshell.

Does it seem like this team was ever 2-2? Good grief. We might have even been puffing out our chests at that point because, you know, we coulda won the MIN and DAL games but let them get away, so we were obviously better than our record. Aaaargh.

The espn seemed to suggest that we keep an eye on this fellow Karney, the fullback who has acquitted himself quite well here lately since everyone is keying on young Mr. Bush.

I seem to remember a game vs TB a few years back when we kept their top guys contained but gave up two or three passing TDs to their third-string TE, who was wide open each time, which made me want to gouge out my eyeballs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I've read that Todd Wade, the guy we picked up midseason on waivers from Houston, would start. Hey, at least he has 85 career starts to his credit.

Posted by: KC Skins | December 15, 2006 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Nate...That was Yoder!!! He's on our team now

Posted by: OC Skins | December 15, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you are thinking of Edell Shepherd who played for TB and kicked us in the teeth. I didn't even have to look that up. Those TDs were burned into my cranium. Talk about a 1-game wonder.

KC Skins, thanks for the OL knowledge. Sorry that your barbecue is inferior.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow, great pull, OC. Doggone Yoder! I knew there was something about him I couldn't trust. Hehehe.

"Dancin' Rick says 'I don't like ya, but I respect your moves.'"

Let the weird week on the blog continue.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm... Shepherd was a wideout. Maybe this is a different thumping by the Bucs to which you're referring.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Crud, so am I supposed to be conflicted about Yoder or shift my brooding onto this Edell Shepherd fellow? Or did BOTH of them perpetrate great games on us at different times?

Whatever, I hope this kid Karney doesn't go off on us Sunday. We've been warned.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Joe, OC, I think we're thinking about the same game, whoever the heck the guy was. It was two or three TDs to an uncovered TE down in our red zone. And those plays killed us.

Had this blog been up back then, we would have dropped about 700 posts on that alone.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Still hunting for the mystery TE. But the discussion made me think of the year when we were so bad that we had to play Tampa TWICE in the regular season due to some vagary of the old scheduling rules. It was '94. And we lost both. Ugh.

YES, I have a hangup about the Bucs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I had to look it up, the game was Oct 12, 2003. I found this on Yahoo...

"The unlikeliest hero was tight end Todd Yoder, who got wide open for his first two NFL touchdowns after starter Ken Dilger left in the first half with a sprained right ankle."

That was the infamous game where LaVar wasn't going to let Sapp run through our stretching routine.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

What is it with the Bucs? Seems like we play them AT LEAST once a year. They've become an unlikely rival, but a rival nonetheless. I'm so sick of their stupid pirate ship.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Here it is, the October 2003 game vs TB. OC, you had it with Yoder.

"Buccaneers quarterback Brad Johnson threw four touchdown passes against his former team. Three went to his tight ends, Todd Yoder and Will Heller. The Redskins found no solutions for a misdirection play in which Tampa Bay faked a run to one side of the field and had Johnson roll out the other way and get the ball to the tight end. Johnson also victimized Redskins safety Matt Bowen for a 39-yard scoring toss to wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson in the fourth quarter." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15811-2003Oct12.html

Joe, the Edell Shepherd games were last season, reg season and playoff game.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

We've played the Bucs just regularly enough, and they've won enough, to cultivate a festering annoyance with them, though it's nothing on the order of the ill will I have for the Cowboys and Jints, who are tied for first place and just ahead of the Iggles on my list.

It's like the Bucs occupy the space previously held by the Cardinals, who always felt like the weird stepchild in the old division even when they were in StL, and who I disliked but never really hated.

I have no idea why I'm fixating on the Bucs today. Just trying to distract myself from the looming Saints game. I do not like our chances down there in the dome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 15, 2006 6:00 PM | Report abuse

God, I miss Ryan Clark. I know, I know...not supposed to dwell on the past anymore but I remember last year at this time. We were being referred to as "the Red Hot Redskins" and Ryan Clark kept talking about how he wanted to stay here. Ryan, I miss you.....come home....

Posted by: Lisa | December 15, 2006 6:13 PM | Report abuse

hi, whachall talkin 'bout?

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 6:17 PM | Report abuse

My list of dislike is something like: Dallas, Philly, Giants/Ravens. Then right after that is Tampa and Denver. I never hated the Cards. There's just something likeable about a perennial loser.

Have a great weekend. Maybe if we stick to the game plan and JM220 cheers his guts out, we'll have a chance. Go Skins!

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 15, 2006 6:41 PM | Report abuse

uh oh......it's coming......

Posted by: LT | December 15, 2006 6:44 PM | Report abuse

i'm no coolaid drinker but i really don't think it'll be that bad this weekend.

at the worst i see a one posession game headed to 4th quarter and skins trying to tie it in the middle of the 4th but can't and NO kicks a FG to make it a two posession and cover the spread.

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 7:12 PM | Report abuse

S-kool-aid

Posted by: dealer | December 15, 2006 7:16 PM | Report abuse

watch out.....it's coming.....

Posted by: LT | December 15, 2006 7:19 PM | Report abuse


How about 44-14 Saints? Then Gibbs can say after the game "First, I have to tip my hat to New Orleans. They played a heckuva game and they scored their guts out. Our guys fought their guts out, but then came the opening kickoff, and we just couldn't string enough big plays together to convert our third-down guts out. So in the end we punted our guts out. But I've gotta tell you, there's nobody wants to win more than those bunch a guys in that locker room showering their guts out. We also picked up a virus on the trip and about half the guys are crapping their guts out right now. But I'm so proud of our guys. Even after Drew Brees threw deep to his own grandmother late in the third, Carlos was still able to make up enough ground after being beaten to drag her down at the one. Unfortunately, she scored on the next play on the short slant pattern. "

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | December 16, 2006 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Ws just catching up on JLaC's chat session and Champ came up a few times so I got to thinking . . .

Maybe this is selective memory again, but I do remember CB getting burned on a regular basis and to make it worse, it always seemed to happen at critical times in the game. All this was happening as he was getting love from is peeps.

Living in the denver area, I get to see him play quite a bit on TV. Hois first year in Denver he looked just liked the guy who got burned at critical times in critical games - anyone remember joey porter taking Champ to school on a nationally televised game against the raiders? If i remeber correctly denver did make the playoffs in champs first year only to get trounced by the Colts.

On the other hand, these last two years Champ's play has finally caught up to his reputation. He has been absolutely stellar. Point is that it took 5 years+ for him to get to this point. No one can convince me that he was this good when we let him go - he just wasn't. . .

This brings me back to dbl mov. Not at all saying that he has played anywhere near the level champ played at while he was here. But, as these things go, CB's can take a while to develop. Dbl mov clearly DOES need to get an attitude adjustment in order to get on the right track. . .

Just something to keep in mind.

jm, scott and NOLA crew:
cheer you're hearts out and let's hope for a close game in the 4th quarter - I just want to see how soup performs under those circumstances . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

MT:

I got ron rivera, fair choice, although he has not proven he can win as a head coach at the NFL level.

So who's your GM candidate?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

for the draftniks out there -

would the skins be better off, in practice, if they finish 7-9 or 6-10 and the broncos finish 7-9 as well?

Question is given this year draft crop, would we be better off switching 1st rounder with the broncos - say 6 for 10 or something like that - than having to give the donkeys a 3rd this year and a 4 next year?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 9:48 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan@8KaboveMSL - Champ definitely had a sophomore slump after a pretty damn good rookie season, but was pretty solid after that. You're right tho, it takes a few years to be that "shutdown" corner that doesn't EVER get burned, juked, double-moved, blocked out, etc. We can only hope Carlos is learning what his "schooling" this year has taught him. You gotta see it all to defend it all. However, in fairness to Champ, I don't think Carlos will ever be in his league. Champ is a very special athlete.

Posted by: FromTheICU | December 16, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

i finally figured out 8KMSL...phew! was bugging me. 8K, you're right...i also rember thinking that smoot was better than champ. even peter clown noticed that too.

the only difference i see in double move's second year and champ's second year is that even though champ was cocky he handled it much better than mr. double move.

i rember him(former #24) giving props to #28 but this idiot(#22) won't even acknowledge he's playing with two of the best corners(once were in troy vincent and springs still is when healthy) in the league. and the sophomore slump has nothing to do with that attitude. and blaming the line for poor play? it's just plain stupidity. skins haven't had a good D line since big daddy and that one dude with bad back left.

Posted by: dealer | December 16, 2006 11:03 AM | Report abuse

jason, any way you could hook our boys (scott and jm220) up for a cameo or a quick camera shot during the game? maybe talk to fox people...

if fox can show that idiot at the eagles game that kept swtiching jerseys they can put our boys on at least once.

Posted by: dealer | December 16, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan@8KaboveMSL :

Hey bud! Hang with me on this one! Bring in two people: Ron Wolfe on a three-year contract to train and mentor some new young gun who has chops but needs seasoning on finding NFL talent. I confess I could use your input here. I've read your previous posts and I think you've got a darn good grasp of NFL front-office workings. You think something along those lines could work out. Any ideas on young GM prospects?

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | December 16, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

ICU: dbl mov will never be champ! just not sure that he won't be smoot IF he makes an tude adjustment. not great value for 9th overall, but perhaps better than starting over. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Nate, OC, Joe from R, if the season were to end today (or ends with the standings like they are today), we will be playing the Bucs AGAIN next year. The worst of the NFC East plays the worst of the NFC South (and its played at home for the NFC South team).

Posted by: dcsween | December 16, 2006 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, JLC wrote this in his live chat about CP:

"But, oh yeah, he'll be coming off two surgeries and iffy for the start of training camp no matter where he plays. And he's a small dude who plays all-out who'll now have a shoulder to watch and who has 1,500 carries under his belt, when the tread begins to come off."

Why is CP "iffy" for training camp, which is 7 months away? Is that shoulder worse than we think? A broken hand doesn't take all that long to heal.

Posted by: disappointed | December 16, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

dealer:
CB is a more gifted athlete than dbl mov, perhaps that masked his development since he could "recover" from bad technique/mistakes. either way it took a while for him to get where he is today. . .

d.garner=dude w/ bad back. that happened to be a shrewd personel move. dude had a 1-year deal and played lights out. despite that, we let him go and the donkeys sign him to multi-year deal and big upfront $'s, then CUT him in the middle of his second season. talk about bad moves . . .

at least arch deluxe is healthy and doesn't seem to have a bad attitude. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

MT:

not sure that Ron would go for that. it is clear to me that gibbs could use some talent eval help. what isn't as clear is that it has to come in the form of a GM. I think gibbs as team pres plus one of the top assistants as HC, plus someone reporting to gibbs that is responsible for talent evaluation and long term personel plan would work well. is it different? yeahM but who else has the rep/$'s to pull something like that off.

I think gibbs bwing back is more about getting the org on the right track than winning SB immediately . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 16, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me why matt schaub attempted a pass? i don't have nfl network...following it on espn...

Posted by: dealer | December 16, 2006 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Howard Bryant is an idiot. His article about the Redskins core players' uncertain futures reeks of a wannabe Tom Friend controversy-starter. Bryant is attempting to rile fans up with his article and yet it comes off as a pathetic speculative rant.

Bryant clearly shows his lack of journalistic integrity here. Was anybody quoted in that article even named? No, of course not. Do these sources he cites even exist? No way for us to know for sure.

In addition to Bryant's use of asinine quotes, he inaccurately quotes one "source", saying:

"...because he means lot to them."

Did he say "means lot" or did he actually say "means a lot". Seems to me, that when you are making up quotes, it's a lot easier to miss a word or two when you are writing quotes into a keypad straight from your brain instead of from a tape recorded conversation (which are typically used when you interview someone for a quote).

Instead of Howard Bryant using quotes from "anonymous sources" who "asked not to be identified because they are not allowed to speak publicly," maybe Bryant should use quotes from people who we can know for sure actually exist!

Posted by: Howard Bryant is an idiot | December 16, 2006 9:30 PM | Report abuse

...Bryant is attempting to rile fans up with his article...

dude, after 15 years of watching this train wreck of a team are you telling me that there're still fans out there that need "riling"???

Posted by: dealer | December 16, 2006 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Depressing...the stupid Cowboys have won this game and will win the NFC East. They will also win their next 2 games (Philly and Detroit both at home) and end the season 11-5. Kills me....

Posted by: Lisa | December 16, 2006 10:53 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

schaub is attempting a pass, with vick in the backfield. it's kinda cool, i guess

except for the last drive, where vick seemingly got injured. a groin, from what the commentators said.

goodness bryant gumble sucks. wow, i didn't really think he had a fair chance when people put him down the last couple weeks...but come to think of it, he's had like 4-5 games so far to get "into the groove"....he really really sucks. no way he should be there next season. it's an insult to broadcasting.

Posted by: k-man | December 16, 2006 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The NFL Network is a disaster.

Posted by: SMACK | December 16, 2006 11:16 PM | Report abuse

howard bryant basher,

you need to calm down man. howard is respected in these streets, don't come in with that weak stuff.
first off....
there's nothing here that starts a controversy....if you know ANYTHING about the Redskins, it's that the salary cap means absolutely NOTHING. the Danny has an unbelieveable way of getting his players to restructure--he doesnt mind throwing money around in bonuses, and will keep whichever players he has to.
secondly, grammatical mistakes happen every now and then. either way you look at it "means lot" and "means a lot" doesn't change what the freakin sentence means. (if it really is a mistake, i'm sure they'll realize and fix the online version)
lastly, when a team is 4-9, sucks in pretty much every facet of the game, i don't think many "sources" within the team are going to want to be cited when such articles are written. however, these same "sources" will still WANT this information to get out to the public so the team (those at the top of the pyramid) and fans (shellin' out the $$$$$) will read about it and get a feel of the pulse of the team.

regardless, i dont think it's right that you attack HB's journalistic (that even a real word?) integrity by questioning his sources. not cool man.

Posted by: k-man | December 16, 2006 11:29 PM | Report abuse

any word from our men and woman in N'awlins? I feel like they went dark for a few days. would love to get an update, and more video or pix than have already been mentioned up here.

though I assume by now (getting towards midnight there) they have turned the corner from the volunteering to the tailgating. good for them.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 16, 2006 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Just in: TO spit in DeAngelo Hall's face in the Falcons/Cowboys game. It was not caught by the refs.

The refs threw our Grim Reaper out of the Tampa Bay game last season and fined him.

No fair....

Posted by: Lisa | December 16, 2006 11:39 PM | Report abuse

k-man, have to agree with you vs. the Howard-basher above. Settle it down or buzz off, Howard-basher!

I was pleased and proud to learn that HB does NFL commentary on NPR's Weekend Edition. (Yeah, yeah, NPR is for bleeding-tree lefties, whatever.) I heard him on there this morning, and he did a good job. I am a Howard fan. Wonder what alias he uses when he posts up here?

Re: tonight's game, cue the insufferable braggadocio of Cowgirl Nation, conveniently forgetting how they got crushed just a week ago by the best team in the conference. They'll get their comeuppance no later than the divisional round of the playoffs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 16, 2006 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I didn't see the game so thanks for the TO spitting nugget. What class he has! And on the same night Carmelo, the NBA's scoring leader, throws a cheap shot during an on-court brawl.

Cue endless loops of slo-mo, every-angle replays of each of these events, with holier-than-thou voiceovers from bitter old men lamenting the State of Sports Today. Ugh.

I hate the memory SeanTay's spitting incident. It was awful, there was no question he really did it, and when he got caught and justly penalized, it really hurt us. Not at all Zidane headbutt bad, but a really bad move.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 16, 2006 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

To top it off, TO joined the NFL Network crew and was asked about the spitting incident. He admitted it saying that DeAngelo "was frustrating him...and that he has apologized and has moved on." He really showed no remorse and acted like he was the victim by being asked about it. Of course, Deion tried to take up for him. The other guys (Marshall Faulk in particular) were pretty disgusted.

DeAngelo said he will never have any respect for TO again and does not have anything to say to him.

Posted by: Lisa | December 16, 2006 11:59 PM | Report abuse

It always gets me steamed when I think about how Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders are afforded high-profile platforms to effectively serve as Owens' unofficial PR team. They show unabashed zeal in serving as his advocate and even mouthpiece (and clearly are encouraged to do so by their bosses, who see the ratings gold in all things TO).

I despised both Irvin and Sanders as players, mostly because they played really great ball for teams I despised, and I loathe them as talking heads. Not that this is different than anyone else's experience on this blog, I would guess.

Just to hazard a parallel: could you imagine how absurd it would be if there were two recent baseball retirees turned bigtime media commentators, potential Hall of Famers, who defended everything Barry Bonds says and does? They would be laughed out of their jobs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 17, 2006 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I absolutely agree.

First, Deion said "TO, did you realize that is one of the worse things you can do to a player?" TO replied "well, he was bugging me...I've apologized..and I've moved on." He did not sound remorseful...and so what if he apologized? I guess he assumes that makes everything ok. Their conversation sounded like a parent talking to a child. Deion then went on to explain to the NFL Network crew that "TO reacts...about most everything...then realizes that he is wrong or should not have done things." Well, he acts like a child - he has been in the NFL for a long time and should never let a DB get in his head. And if Sanders and Irving keep being such homers and TO lovers, they need to find new jobs.

Posted by: Lisa | December 17, 2006 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I thought you were going to get drunk. Stop making sense already. As a Cowboy fan I hate TO and everything he represents, but alas, I have to root for my team. Like apologizing to the world for our war in Iraq, I apologize to NFL fans for keeping this scumbag in the league.

Posted by: SMACK | December 17, 2006 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Oh right, the drunken rant I threatened to attempt, in honor of (that is, shameless copying of) Pub Golf.

I did achieve Step One of the plan, the drinking part. I was in bad shape when I rolled in last night. Unfortunately my condition sabotaged Step Two: I couldn't even manage to get the laptop fired up before I collapsed on the couch.

I have to be honest, though: I had even less to say than usual. Somehow PG was able to dredge up all kinds of bile to spew in his epic Thursday night screed. I may be getting too mellow in my old age, but I just can't conjure up the outrage like I used to.

SMACK, I don't know if you've seen 'Talladega Nights,' but there's a pretty doggone funny scene where Ricky Bobby and his ex-best friend are having a phone conversation, and RB keeps trying to hang up, saying things like "Wait, why am I still talking to you? I hate you." That's kind of how it is rapping with a reasonable Cowboys fan. On some level I don't want to believe it's even possible to have a worthwhile dialogue, and yet here we are. And it's cool. Weird and uncomfortable a times, but cool.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 17, 2006 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Man, after these games the Falcons and Seahawks have 'first weekend playoff loss' written all over them.

IF they hang on and win the division, the Seahawks will lose at home no matter who comes to town, and then proceed to spend a second straight offseason pointing blame; last season it was the SB refs, this season it will be injuries. Boo hoo.

WTF is the deal with the Falcons? This is one of those head-scratchers.

All right, all right, having the Skins go to the playoffs and lose, even in a humiliating fashion on our field, would be better than staying home. But I'll take what satisfaction I can, thank you very much.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 17, 2006 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Another not so fun article to read about the Redskins..salary cap..and players that might go. It seems as if there is nothing POSITIVE to pull out of Redskins Park these days.

It's frustrating to hear JLA think there won't be a GM or anything done with a front office structure this off-season. I hope he's wrong. Every week Gibbs has stood before the cameras, microphones, and fans and he says it all starts with him. WELL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. TRY LOOKING YOUR OWN DAMN SELF IN THE MIRROR AND LOOK AT THE STUPID MOVES YOU'VE MADE AND ALL THE DRAFT PICKS YOU TRADED AWAY.

I can't help how embarrassed it is to be a fan when others are probably laughing at what the team gave up in acquiring Duckett..Portis (there was no pick needing to be given up..Bailey was enough). That Duckett trade...every last one of the brains that felt that was a reasonable deal should be hung out to dry. Stupid stupid stupid. I'm tired of hearing about the negatives. Losing sucks. I miss those RFK days where the Skins were an unbeatable force.

I don't care what players stay or go right now...the big issue if this franchis is to be restored to something respectable..is changing that scouting staff and the front office structure. How dare Gibbs, Snyder and anyone else sit here and still thinks what they have in place works. Look what it's produced to date. It's sad. I only hope brighter days will lie ahead.

I'm frustrated but I still love the Skins. I'm fan now and after death.

Hail.

Posted by: Jonathan | December 17, 2006 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm sure we can find something to argue about. Like for instance, WEEN is the best band ever. Am I really up this late?

Posted by: SMACK | December 17, 2006 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Something I did not know but maybe you guys did.....last night on Redskins Report the crew were talking about our draft picks. It appears Cerrato does the scouting (and he is pretty good at it)- he then brings his recommendations to the coaches and they make the final decisions. But he does not get a lot of input except for bringing the recommendations in...for instance, when Spurrier was coaching here, Cerrato highly recommended Ladell Betts. Spurrier did not want Betts...said we have no need for a RB. Cerrato won out on that one (guess Snyder valued Cerrato's opinion more than Spurrier's). Not sure how it works with free agents...since we rarely have draft picks.

Posted by: Lisa | December 17, 2006 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Nate, speaking of Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks/Nuggets brawl last night...ironically enough Carmello just this week opened a new Recreation Center for kids in the Baltimore area. He said he wanted to give them a "positive."

Posted by: Lisa | December 17, 2006 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Lisa:

only good thing about the pokes winning the east is that we actually beat them in a year when they wound being the better team. In my book that counts a lot. . .

will never forget that sequence of events that led to our win. . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 17, 2006 11:00 AM | Report abuse

re: mello, all I can say is that it must be tough to have to grow up on a national stage . . .

the dude is a kid who should be graduating college at this point. . .

what did we expect?

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | December 17, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Man I missed you guys. I've been on a self-imposed total Redskins media blackout -- SILENCE: UNFILTERED -- since the last play of the Eagles game last week till reading HB's article this morning, so all I got is an obscure music recommendation:

Boredoms - among the leading lights of the 90's/00's Japanese psychedelic revolution, on the creative back of Yamatsuka Ai (sp?). Their best albums are, expectedly, from their most prolific period 94-98. I've seen them a few times. They don't play DC anymore, mostly just LA - CHI - NYC. My three boredoms shows were just before and right at the beginning of that period and just two years ago (in NY). Still among the five best live bands I've seen. If you want to see a Japanese psychedelic band perform in DC, the Ruins occasionally play here (that is to say they have in the last five years) and are very good.

Drew Brees is coming in with how many yards passing? OY.

Posted by: RMilot | December 17, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Boooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Nickel Seats | December 17, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

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