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Jansen: Issues Should Be Handled Internally

Jason La Canfora reports:

Offensive tackle Jon Jansen, the longest tenured Redskins player, talked about - what else? - the Clinton Portis-Jim Zorn matter and said that frustrations are natural at a time like this.

But, he added, "We need to take care of these things in the locker room ... and keep it out of the media as much as we can."

As for his health, Jansen said his sprained knee is much better than it was Sunday night, but is still stiff, swollen and bruised. He will have treatment all day today and won't watch practice, but hopes to test the injuiry on the field tomorrow. If the swelling goes down and Jansen feels that he is not putting teammates (mainly, Jason Campbell) "at risk" by playing, he will play.

"We've only got three weeks," Jansen said. "I'm not going to be saving it for anything."

By Cindy Boren  |  December 10, 2008; 12:50 PM ET
 
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Jansen is like an old-horse. Time to go to the glue factory old fella! (Or is it dog food factory?)

Posted by: duh2mag | December 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

called him to come sit next to me, and said "don't ever question my decision making in front of the team, we need to be on the same page at all times. You are our best player and we're in the meat of our season, I need you healthy, rested, and ready to go a lot more than I need you killing yourself in an unlikely comeback effort in this game.

You are so on point with this zjfr2. It's not hard to figure out.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be more damning for Zorn to say that he was going to change his offense because his players (and offensive line coach) were not capable of executing it. It's not like there are no other teams running it successfully in the NFL. It's completely different than the Spurrier debacle with an offense that could not work in the NFL.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 12:51 PM

Dude, Gibbs 1.0 changed his system to fit the NFC East. RUN THE DANG BALL. It it still applies 26 years later.

You wanna coach in the NFL and succeed? You adjust to what you got and keep it moving.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

jansen on one leg. Uh oh.

Posted by: zyvo23 | December 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I coach basketball at my old private high school, I have a very good team we're 14-3 right now, however, last week we played a very large very good public high school's team. We played them hard and we're in the game until about halfway through the fourth quarter when our center fouled out and we just didn't have the size to hang with them anymore. We went from down for to down 15 in about 2 game minutes. With us down 15 with 3 and half minutes to play, having just played 3 games in 5 days, my starting point guard (and my best player) having played 99% of every game in the season so far and who definitely was having a bad night(shot was off lots of turnovers) and 2 conference games coming this week I pulled him. He came to the bench and said "coach, we're still in this let me play!" during the timeout, I told him to zip it which he did not happily and finished the team talk and sent them back on the floor. Immediately after the timeout I called him to come sit next to me, and said "don't ever question my decision making in front of the team, we need to be on the same page at all times. You are our best player and we're in the meat of our season, I need you healthy, rested, and ready to go a lot more than I need you killing yourself in an unlikely comeback effort in this game. There's plenty of ball left and we need you." The kid immediately nodded shook his head cheered on his teammates and went for 24 points and 10 assists Monday night in a conference win on the road.

I'm no Lombardi, but come on, how hard is it to talk to your best player and reassure them? Should CP have done this, no, but CP is a emotional human and a competitor, that you want and need on your side if your gonna win anything. Zorn needs to get a hold of a coaching for dummies book.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

so why is cincy so bad this year? just the qb or other reasons?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

As for his health, Jansen said his sprained knee is much better than it was Sunday night, but is still stiff, swollen and bruised. He will have treatment all day today and won't watch practice, but hopes to test the injuiry on the field tomorrow. If the swelling goes down and Jansen feels that he is not putting teammates (mainly, Jason Campbell) "at risk" by playing, he will play.

"We've only got three weeks," Jansen said. "I'm not going to be saving it for anything."

By Cindy Boren | December 10, 2008; 12:50 PM ET |

BUT YOU ARE NOT ON THE PRACTICE FIELD? HOW WILL ZORN LET YOU PLAY?

This is what CP is talking about. Where is the media to point out the Zorn contradiction?

How can Jansen learn the offense when he won't even be on the practice field (applying Zorns post game comments to this blog post)?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

week we played a very large very good public high school's team. code for black. kidding kidding kidding...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Gibbs believed in basic "smash mouth" run the ball down their throats as a character builder. Plus the OL's in the past loved to take it to the defense instead of sitting back in pass protection and getting the snot knocked out and in the case of this team looking bad.

I don't think Zorn looks at it that way. He looks at it as another weapon in his arsenal. He is more analytical about it. That's a good thing ... but there is such a thing as taking a good thing too far.

I would run Portis 20 times in a row, maybe more against Cincinatti. Just to shut him up. I'm sure Lewis will have people waiting for him.

Posted by: periculum | December 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

zj....and what would you do with this star point guard if he continued to exhibit this same behavior game after game? At some point, for the sake of the other players on the team, you can't continue to pamper the crybaby.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If that were to happen then ya you gotta bench him. But CP has never shown any signs of not doing what he is supposed to do on the field and not give a 100% effort. Do you really think CP would have come on the radio and said that if Zorn had said anything close to what I said to him Sunday night or Monday? Heck no, this isn't the first rough patch in washington cp has played through with his mouth shut and come out the other end winning.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Best comment of the day:

Players, Randle El said, generally learn to take these kinds of dust-ups "with a grain of salt."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be more damning for Zorn to say that he was going to change his offense because his players (and offensive line coach) were not capable of executing it. It's not like there are no other teams running it successfully in the NFL. It's completely different than the Spurrier debacle with an offense that could not work in the NFL.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 12:51 PM

The great coaches modify their 'system' to fit their players. Don Shula played smash mouth with Larry Csonka and threw it all over the place with Dan Marino. Gibbs did the same converting his offense from what Dan Fouts and the Chargers did to take advantage of the Hogs and Riggo. I don't see Zorn at that level. not by a long shot.

Posted by: zyvo23 | December 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor,
Zorn really made himself look stupid with that statement. Springs, Fletcher, and others have played. He praise CP when he didn't practice and went out and ran 143 yards. I don't by that BS he is selling.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

If the swelling goes down and Jansen feels that he is not putting teammates (mainly, Jason Campbell) "at risk" by playing, he will play.

"We've only got three weeks," Jansen said. "I'm not going to be saving it for anything."


He has putting JC at risk all year, sorry but I hope your knee keeps you out for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"We need to take care of these things in the locker room ... and keep it out of the media as much as we can."

Jansen should know considering Zorno benched him via the media...

Posted by: AquaBoogie | December 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I have been saying this all year,

Zorn wants to be so perfect, and wants campbell to be so perfect that JC wont throw the ball into those tight spaces anymore. its either check down, sideline route, low, or deep bomb.

When was the last time he fit it over the head of a LB and in front of the safety?

No wonder cooleys avg per catch is low.

He did that last year, campbell that is. Zorn was good natured in doing what he thought was right, but he may scrambled our QB. every qb has to be a bit of a gun slinger. The shy qbs have names like collins, or Carr, detmer etc...

Posted by: Zeebs | December 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"BUT YOU ARE NOT ON THE PRACTICE FIELD? HOW WILL ZORN LET YOU PLAY?"

Hmmm let's see ... skill players like Portis are paid extremely well because, well they are the headliners of the show. There is a lot more for them to learn, absorb and practice. The nuance of chipping versus full up blocking ... disguising a "chip" versus a "block", getting out quickly into a pattern, getting open, catching the ball and then running the ball after the catch, if he doesn't drop it.

Jansen's stuff is probably pretty pat the same game in and game out.

I haven't seen that from Portis all year. I have seen that with Betts. And so has Zorn.

I kind of agree with Portis about Fletcher. But that isn't Zorn's call that's Blache's.


Posted by: periculum | December 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, my dad coached h.s. football for about 35 years and h.s. basketball for about 30 years, and you handled that like a champ. Well done.


I think Zorn and Portis should walk into the media room and do a joint statement. While holding hands and wearing matching shirts.

Then we can put this puppy to bed.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Z,

I think you did a stand-up job there.

Still, I think a HC in the NFL has a lot more going on than you do in a high school basketball game, no offense intended.

I do think he should have at least taken a moment when Portis came off to give him some encouragement, and let him know it wasn't about the fumble (which I still think was a bogus call), but he can't go back there and take a seat with him.

Zorn can learn from this and keep his bluntness in regards to his more sensitive players to himself during media time.

Will Clinton learn anything though? I don't think so - this has been his M.O. ongoing.

He called out his O-line.
He called out Gibbs playing him in the preseason.
He wondered out loud during Gibbs about not enough running plays.
He wanted to take out B -Mitch over his comments regarding CP.
...and now this.

It isn't just Zorn obviously, since despite Gibbs coddling of Portis - and he DID coddle him - he too took some criticism from him in the press.

Clinton is a great player...he's also PAID like a great player, and for both those reasons, other players respect him, and younger players may follow his lead. He has an obligation to his team to be a leader by his actions away from the field, not just on them. It's a tough deal, but if you're the best out there, and you're paid for it, you owe it to the other guys to give it.

Zorn needs to learn from this...but Clinton has a lot to learn in his own right.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 10, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"I don't see Zorn at that level. not by a long shot."

Give him a chance. He isn't used to traditional NFC East football. (Now that its back again.)
I think he will be ... this week I am certain has been an eyeopening learning experience for Jim Zorn.

Posted by: periculum | December 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

dealer, Cincy's so bad this year because they don't have Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

football is very physical and very emotional. This stuff happens ... and it happens a lot more elsewhere. see philly & owens. See Raiders and Kiffin. See plaxico, limp. See mcnabb benched. see pacman, seee.

You get the point. Its not that things happen, they will. Its how to handle conflict. Zorn will get it.

That said ...

Having an angry Portis with a chip on his shoulder, less beat up because he wasn't blocking Suggs and getting pounded by Ray Lewis ... not a bad thing.

And lastly, I'll go back to what I've said before. Portis is a 12 game a year player. 16 games is brutal for any RB that carries it as much as CP ... and CP blocks hard despite his size. You want him healthy in December because he is a great back late in the year when the weather turns. So missing some time on the field ... should have happened more often.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

freak, along those lines i think as a peace gesture zorny should give his idiotic necklace to portis. portis would make it look less idiotic anyway.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL freak!!! good one. i walked right into that one...ugh! we will always have leigh torrence...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

periculum - I don't buy it. CP said the Oline had 27 different protection schemes.

Every week, the Oline faces a different defense then the prior week. Blocking scheme changes. The Game plan changes. EVERYONE needs to learn the gameplan and you need to be on the practice field to learn it, according to Zorn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, wasn't relaying the story to toot my own horn, quite the opposite in fact, if a rural high school basketball coach knows that he needs to talk to his best player when he does something big like bench or "we just decided to give Ladel an opportunity there" and Zorn doesn't, how bad a hire might this be. I could never run a franchise or a team like Zorn has to, and while he had time to get in Portis' face to yell at him for going back in a game after getting his helmet fixed maybe he didn't have enough time during the entire second half while the defense was on the field or between quarters or during the tv timeouts or all of that to go talk to him on the sideline. He still had all day monday and all morning tuesday to talk to him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if we fire Zorno, we could bring in Leigh Torrence as HC to bring a sense of nirvana to this brood of ill contents.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

how come no one ever mentions Tomlinson (running back, the of chargers). chargers don't play him at all during preseason and they don't practice him much during the season. thus saving him for games. and yet that would be considered coddling for CP. why the double standard? because cP is on a bad team?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

so why is cincy so bad this year? just the qb or other reasons?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse


Answer: Because they don't have Leigh Torrence!

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 10, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

So, you disagree with what Zorn said? Down by 14? How times has Clinton Portis led a comeback, down by 14? How many touchdown passes has Clinton Portis caught this year? How many screens has he taken to the house to bring his team back? Against one of the best defenses in the league?

Betts almost scored on one of those against one of the best defenses in the league.

And you don't see the difference? Zorn said that Portis did not look good in the passing game, he wasn't getting out into the patterns. He wasn't getting open. Zorn is doing the best he can with the personnel he has. Betts looked better than every wide receiver short of Moss and Cooley Sunday night?

Zorn was right.


"Zorn really made himself look stupid with that statement. Springs, Fletcher, and others have played."

Posted by: periculum | December 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

perhaps because LT has been in a similar offense his entire career, knows it as well as his coach, and doesn't need the practice reps to understand the 25 protection schemes.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

He still had all day monday and all morning tuesday to talk to him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 10, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Zj

You're nailing it on the head IMO. I think if JZ checks his ego, he could a lot about managing people and situations from this episode. I like JZ as the HC, I'm adovcating he be fired. However, I do want him to grow in his position as HC and OC so that the future of this franchise is as bright as I would like it to be.

Posted by: TWISI | December 10, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

From Cooley's Website:

19 days before the season ends. "Don't fall down now we will never get up." Right now, it doesn't matter whats happened over the last month, what does matter is winning. We need to forget all the bull---- about who's playing bad, who's hurt, what Clinton said, why our offense can't score points and go to Cincinnati to get a win.

Amen...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

That's the issue here. JZ will learn from this episode.

CP....not so much.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The guy is aweful anyway. He has been getting killed. There is no difference if Rinehart or Devin Clark play. They suck too. It doesn't really matter.

Posted by: po403 | December 10, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if we fire Zorno, we could bring in Leigh Torrence as HC to bring a sense of nirvana to this brood of ill contents.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 10, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should give JLC Torrence's tattoo?

WaPost article on the MAN.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/30/AR2007103002346.html

Posted by: duh2mag | December 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

how come no one ever mentions Tomlinson (running back, the of chargers). chargers don't play him at all during preseason and they don't practice him much during the season. thus saving him for games. and yet that would be considered coddling for CP. why the double standard? because cP is on a bad team?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 10, 2008 1:15 PM |

So is Tomlinson, and how are his numbers this year by the way.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 10, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I would move Jansen to Guard, due to his
now limited mobility.

Posted by: madalao | December 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

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