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Jansen Speaks .. So Does Wade

Jon just did a conference call with us. It was pretty gruesome. He will have surgery this week, either Wed. or Thursday and will be out probably 4 months. Said he is unsure if he will be placed on IR right away, ending his season, but seemed to expect the move at some point.

Todd Wade says he is operating on the assumption he is starting indefinitely. Wade says that Coach Joe Gibbs and associate head coach Al Saunders both gave him "The Nod" - you know, that universal look and tilt of the head that means, get ready to strap it on and step up, son. We need 'ya.

Have to wait until Coach Joe talks around 5 pm to find out if Wade's reading of body language was correct, but he was fairly adamant about being the guy.

As for Jansen, until they perform the surgery the doctors will not know how extensive the ligament damage is, but there will be some. Jon said they reset the fracture on the field - holy schnikes I almost puked just hearing him describe it - and said "I could feel things popping, I could feel things breaking" at the time his leg got rolled.

Jon said he'll spend 6 weeks in a cast and on crutches and then will be able to put some weight on the fractured and dislocated right ankle in a walking boot. Ten to 12 weeks after surgery he should be running and "by end of three-to-four months there I should be able to resume any normal training."

The Redskins still have three healthy tackles so there is no rush per say to put Jansen on IR, and who knows, perhaps after surgery they see a reason to keep him active for a post-season. But Jansen was focusing on being back for next year, and was talking about this injury in the same terms as the 2004 ruptured left Achilles that kept him out of that entire season.

Since then Jansen has broken both thumbs and was finally forced out of the lineup once last season with a calf injury as well. He plans to be around the team more than he was while rehabbing in 2004.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 10, 2007; 2:21 PM ET
 
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Comments

first!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ALPHA TAU OMEGA.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

First! to read then post.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

2nd!

Go Skins...A win is a win is a win!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Okay - I just threw up on my keyboard.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I have a hangnail. It hurts like a MF...

Might have to go to the doctor for it.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Jansen seems like a great guy. Who knows if he's lost a step? You always find that when you tell a great athlete that they've lost a step, they pick it up and surprise you. Jansen will be back.

Good for Wade if he starts, and I hope the line stays healthy enough that Heyer never has to play again all year. Heyer was impressive though, you have to admit that...

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason -- you are rocking it with these Monday posts.

I hate this for Jansen; he has to go on IR, we can't save a spot for him on the off chance he's ready to go in December. We got games to play before then. And if we need him that badly in December, that would mean we're in some terrible shape.

I have little doubt that Wade would have gone in at RT if he hadn't been dinged up enough to be inactive. He's the right guy to plug in at right tackle, and I feel great about Heyer as the #1 backup for either side. Next season maybe Heyer becomes our starting RT if we cut Jansen loose? But again, miles to go before we get there.

Time for Wade to prove he can stay healthy. The only reason we have him is because he couldn't stay healthy at his first stop, right?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

TEQUILA

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"I could feel things popping, I could feel things breaking" at the time his leg got rolled.


Ugh! Anybody that begrudges these guys making every dollar they make, read that again and again. Lunch not as good in this unexpected 2nd tasting.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

JLa,

You are speaking negatively of broken bones. You obviosly hate them. You should never post again.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | September 10, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Jansen is a warrior, can't question his heart or his dedication. I can't fathom the amount of pain he had to endure in order to reset the fracture.

I almost passed out just writing that....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 10, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: No announcement from St. Joe about who starts at RT until the end of the week, or maybe game day decision. Thought process: want to see whether Wade's injury, which kept him inactive, presumably requiring him to play hurt is balanced by Heyer's game film.

The second half sack on Jason C. was Taylor coming off Samuels, not Heyer. When Taylor came on Heyer's side, Heyer stood him up and kept him off the QB (and kept the pocket intact).

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Great Post Jasno. I wonder what this means for our 53-man roster.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | September 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

You know it's bad when the trainer is leaning on top of your chest keeping you from moving while someone is straining with all of his might at your leg.

Then you see the pics.

ugh.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Whose on the starting Heyer bandwagon?

I'm kicking the tires around....

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Uhhhh, did anyone else see that pink elephant run across the screen?

Posted by: E | September 10, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm only on that bandwagon if Wade is still injured. Heyer is a nice player with a big upside but Wade is a very good player who should not have many growing pains. It's a nice problem to have.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | September 10, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

They probably don't have enough reps available to put off making the decision, sween.
I wonder how much of the RT playbook Heyer knows... he certainly handled himself well, but it would seem like Wade has both the skill and experience to be the default favorite.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah you saw the trainer run out and immediately cross his wrists in the skull and crossbones. It was bad.

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If I could afford multiple Skins replica jerseys, I'd gotten a Jansen years ago.

Posted by: the cheat | September 10, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Why is it all of these trolls are hating on Soup? Go take a look at the stats for Vince Young and Super Bowl QB Rex Grossman. Vince Young's are just plain horrible yet the media continues to ride his SJK saying "all he does is win games". I didn't realize football was a one on one sport and not team effort.

Other notable QB's with crappy starts;

McNabb
Brees
Favre
Bulger
Losman

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Also, from previous post...

Why do you guys think that Sellers stepped forward on the 'simulating the snap' penalty? I got the game o DVR and he clearly took one step to the left and stopped.

That was a BS call. Period.

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Correction. One step to the right.....

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, from previous post...

Why do you guys think that Sellers stepped forward on the 'simulating the snap' penalty? I got the game o DVR and he clearly took one step to the left and stopped.

That was a BS call. Period.

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 02:53 PM

Yes, we all agree that it was BS. In the end it does not matter because of the W.

Can we PLS move the thread past this.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | September 10, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clairfication 4th. I haven't seen the film, but from my nosebleed seats it looked like he stepped to the side.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | September 10, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Wade was listed as "probable" with his shoulder for the game, but then again, Portis and Samuels also were listed as probable. Wade has almost a season of backup RT in the Saunders' offense under his belt. Plus, I love what he did in New Orleans last season against that DE who the Saints put the franchise tag on.

In other news, Suisham is currently in a five way tie to be the #1 kicker in the NFL.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Pic #5 of two threads ago gallery link says it all... that ankle was JTFU. His injury sounds significantly more serious than mine was. I didn't suffer and bone damage. That brother is out for a while...

did Jasno just mention the POST SEASON in passing? Not the normal doom and gloom we're used to. It felt sort of weird reading it.

My church flag football team looked good yesterday. I went for a pass and the QB under threw me. The DB jumped in front of me to catch the ball and you know what I did? I reached back there and grabbed it right out of his hands. Give me a Jersey. BLLOYD needs me to show him how its done.
Chump.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Sellers stepped to the right, right?
The penalty was: " 4-2-MIA 21 (6:28) (Pass formation) PENALTY on WAS-87-T.Yoder, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 21 - No Play."
Based on the discussion, that seems like the wrong call.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Heyer has been very impressive (not perfect) and who wasn't happy about all the pre-season work he got when Jansen went down.

JC has been very impressive too (not perfect).

With the youth movement, you have to be patient.

I'm with Jack (can't believe it) 9 or 10 wins this year. Something to get excited about next year.

We're on the right path.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

A fracture sounds bad enough, a dislocation sounds bad as well, but put them together - OUCH! This may be the end of the road for the Rock but I hope he can come back at least as a backup/mentor next year.

Posted by: David | September 10, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Heyaaa -

So has anyone said anything about the BYU Quarterback comin' in for Eli "Napoleon Dynamite" Manning last night?

MAN I love that guy. I mean, he's a giant, so he sux... but what fun to watch a lineman play QB! Awesome!

I was a little surprised at his slide, tho - I thought he would barrell it on through.

Posted by: the AMAZING Dik Shuttle | September 10, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with either one of them starting.

Thongs

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I am on P diddy's bandwagon about how lame the NFL's roster rulz are...why all the inactives, small rosters... BS.

Remember during Gibbs mach 1 you could put a guy on IR for like 8 weeks....why is it season or nothing...seems ridiculous and a way to get more guys hurt...

but I dont want to offend "coward" with more IR minutia (see last night)

And DCsweeny I gotta nuthin but love for you...no hate here!

F cowboys

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 10, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

fellatio

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Yo Amazing Dik...I love Lorenzen as well...but he played at Kentucky...just nitpicking not hatin...

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 10, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Jansen's injury is Thiesmanesque.
Go back to the previous thread to see a link to a Picture of his foot turned backwards.

Not for the faint of heart.

In my gut I can't see him being ready to play anytime this year and like JT it may be one to end is career.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for Jansen and the Skins. Always liked the guy, but thought the Skins went too far in the deal they gave him in the offseason. He is getting up there in years and this type of injury only gets you older faster. Its IR for him, no question. And Wade should be the guy that steps in. No question, not even a close call. They oughta to get rid of Lloyd in a big hurry.

Win 1 is reason for optimism. Santana will play better and Campbell will improve. The special teams were reasonable and the D looked like it will be much better than 2006.

Beating the Eagles would really mean something. And then a win over the Giants ...

Posted by: AL | September 10, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

LT has the best QB rating so far. Maybe next year we can make a move to get him to be our starting QB and Priest Holmes to be our #1 WR.

Posted by: Not Periculum | September 10, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Lloyld's "give a *amn" is broken worse than Jansen's leg.

BL needs to go MUP list for being mentally unable to play.

Posted by: Cballer | September 10, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Ugh! Anybody that begrudges these guys making every dollar they make, read that again and again. Lunch not as good in this unexpected 2nd tasting.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 02:42 PM

LMAO 4-12. I made the mistake of reading the post right after lunch. Feeling queasy...ugh

Posted by: skinswest | September 10, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You bunch of women. Man up. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

4-12, we're 20% of the way to making your nickname obsolete!

Chant it with me: 80%! 80%! 80%!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I stand corrected! silly blue & white uni's.

So whaddwe call him? Flounder?

Posted by: Dik | September 10, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame to see anyone get hurt. I know I'll get lambasted for saying this but I've said it before...Jon Jansen is vastly overrated. He's been a turnstile at times yet because he's an elder statesman on the line, no one says anything. Wade outperformed him last year and I suspect will do so again this year. This remind s me a bit of Theismann's injury when Shroeder came on and immediately hit Monk with a bullet. Regardless of anyone's personal feelings for Jansen, we are better off with him out of the lineup. I understand that he's been playing hurt and admire him for that but I want the better guy out on the field. That guy is Wade
(and possibly Heyer).

Posted by: mark | September 10, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

To that smart girls fan. Check out how NFL.com stacks em. Lol, you're smart..

http://www.nfl.com/standings

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

...And on the Jansen injury - does anyone else see any possible maliciousness on the 'Phins here?

Granted, in slow mo things seem exaggerated (sp?!?) - but it lookled like ol' Zakky was tryin to roll through just about anything he encountered there, not to mention the D-Lineman's zealousness to crumple JJ (... it is his job, but dang!)

?

Posted by: Dik | September 10, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

honestly i don't believe in hitting children BUT i think a serious beatdown for #85 in the back woods of ***skins park will go a long way to help improve his sorry excuse for life.

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

mark - I won't argue with you on that. I mentioned yesterday that this could be a "blessing in disguise" at the RT position. I like Jansen and I feel bad for him that he got hurt but his replacement could probably do a better job than him.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What are the rules with the salary cap if Jansen is unable to play again? We just handed him a 10M bonus in the offseason.

It is looking more apparent that the receiver is gonna have to be cut after this year. Not trying is inexcuasble.

Posted by: cdubb | September 10, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less what you jokers think about my play. I'm the one with millions of dollars guaranteed. Not you all, that's why you post on a blog. I am the man!!

Posted by: Brandon Llyod | September 10, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I think 4-12 should change to 1-0: RIGHT NOW!

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

and i forgot

JustMe, way to bring it on the previous thread regarding #85. LOVED IT! was lmgo-ing for a couple of minutes up here...

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Have Godfrey do some drills with Lloyd, Brandon this week.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate- 80% is just the beginning!!! Shhhh, don't tell anyone.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

You bunch of women. Man up. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 03:20 PM

Sorry jm220 but when it comes to dislocated fracture type injuries and limbs bent at unnatural angles I'm a big p%$#y (sjk).

Posted by: skinswest | September 10, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but I don't get made fun of and called a joke by former redskin greats. Enjoy the millions.

Posted by: You tell em Brandon | September 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Eli "Napoleon Dynamite" Manning

WOW!!! that is an awesome nickname!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Spelling doesn't count for much up here, but spelling the player's name wrong on a spoof post is super lame.

Posted by: That would be LLoyd | September 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I believe Lorenzen's nickname is the:

"Hefty Lefty"

Us chubbos gotta stick together!

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Stumped- Would that be 1-0 for the Fantasy beatdown the PunterHunters will finish putting on you tonight?! lol

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If you are over forty, and you have a washboard stomach, you are gay. It means you haven't sucked back enough beer with the boys and have spent the rest of your free time doing sit-ups, aerobics, and doing the Oprah diet.

Posted by: Ask Yourself | September 10, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought Phil Mickelson had that nickname trademarked?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Pillsbury Throw Boy"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

BLloyd, if you cared less you wouldn't be trolling the blogs to find out what people are saying about you.

and Mr. Snyder, if you're reading, I'll be ready to buy the Redskins from you soon. I took all my money and invested in high risk speculations and if Beanie Babies and Pogs are making a comeback like I predict them to... we'll be making a deal and the Washington Dorfs three ring circus will be underway!

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Not the Subway Sandwich Guy"

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

***FANTASY LAND***
Sure, if that's what it takes...
I must admit it doesn't look good for the U-bend blockers. But anything can happen.
How about Nate's offensive juggernaut?

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I want good time vibes Dorf as owner...P Diddy make it happen...

F Golf

Chris Larry abides

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, good to meet all the guys in the Portland area watching the 'Skins yesterday. It was pretty sweet to run into some great fans while visiting up in that part of the country. I'll try to get on here and talk some football with you guyswhen I can.

We'll miss you Jansen. Hopefully Wade can come in and fill your shoes and get the job done. Hail!

Posted by: JD in the SD | September 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If you drink anything other than regular coffee you are gay. A straight man will never be heard ordering a "Decaf Soy Latte". If you've put a Decaf Soy
Latte to your lips, you've had a man there, too.

Posted by: Or This | September 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Just dropped by to say bye.

Perhaps I'll 'see' you all again on RI 5.0 in 2011 when our two teams (probably) meet again - unless somehow we both find our way to the same Super Bowl before that.

No doubt by then, NFL quarterbacks will actually be autonomous robots with on-board jetpacks that manipulated by sideline coaches using 'wii-like' controllers, although Miami will still be starting Trent Green, 41 (years) or maybe even a perfectly embalmed Dan Marino under center (American spelling to please y'all). You'll probably just have finished paying off the cap debt for Archuleta and Brandon Fraud, sorry about that, but at least robo-Vinnie will have some space in the $5BN 2011 cap to sign a clone constructed from the DNA of Sonny Jurgenson to a 1 year deal.

In the meantime enjoy the season(s) and ENJOY THE GAME, IT'S MEANT TO BE FUN, for us at least. Good luck to all.

HAIL (to the Dolphins)!

TTFN
Redcoat

Posted by: Redcoat | September 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Nate - LMSJKingGO

Dealer - we were sittin around thinkin' who Eli reminded us of... then it struck! The ever-agape mouth...not moving his arms when he walks... "Gosh!"

Oh - & for everyone! You all need some DOOVDE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjH9cEoEup8

Posted by: Dik | September 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Could be that some of us just don't like beer. There are worse things in life.

Posted by: Charles Atlas | September 10, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, SMACK has like four guys playing tonight, including Leinart, so despite my massive lead our Fantasy matchup could be a barn-burner.

How about Zebra's game against one of the Aussies? It's a tie game, and the only guy who hasn't played yet is Zebra's kicker. All he needs is ONE POINT to win it. Funny stuff.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, love ya, buddy. You've been a champ up here, a real blue chipper. We're gonna miss you. *sniff*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Dorf,

Not if I beat you to it. Mr. Snyder do you take third party out-of-state checks?

I made all my money in Garbage Pale Kids...

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Right On JD,

You spent you time wisely in the PDX. I'm just glad the coin toss went our way.

Caution: Posting on Jasno's blog can be habit forming.

HAIL!

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat! Don't go! Good game, btw - lots of promise for phins - who cares what the herald says.

Posted by: Dik | September 10, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Somebody a little ways up the thread asked who's in favor of starting Heyer.

I was the original Heyer bandwagoner saying right after they signed him that he would be on the opening day roster and have been his staunch defender against the evil Jackson LaCanicholson, and yes I can handle the truth, ya'll.

But the truth is this; there is no way Heyer should ever start ahead of Wade at this point. Jansen's injury is the reason we signed the guy to the nice deal in the first place.

Stephon is my boy and he deserves to be on the depth chart, but should only play if Wade can't.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Did Redcoat really just wimp out of here more or less permanently? Maybe his name should be Cornwallis.

Posted by: History Buff | September 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Anybody not psyched about two games tonight? I never thought I'd say this, but I think it's overkill. Prime time Thursday, 1pm Sunday, 4pm Sunday, prime time Sunday, and now early prime time and late prime time Monday.

Maybe it's just the hangover from the Skins game. Feel like I don't have anything left in the tank. Because, you know, it's like I'm out there playing with them.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If you suck on lollipops, Ring-Pops, baby pacifiers, or any such nonsense, rest assured, you are a Gaylord. A straight man only sucks on bar-B-que ribs, crab claws, raw oysters, crawfish guts, pickled pigs feet, or t*ts. Anything else and you are in training and undeniably a fag.

Posted by: Maybe This | September 10, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

'Coat,

It's too bad you must leave but hopefully we see you in the SB sometime soon.

You're no Churchill but you weren't half bad.

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Did any of you notice how many near sacks & QB pressures I had? Where is the love?

Posted by: Andre Carter #99 | September 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

More Fantasy ***

I think jm220 and dcsween are tied too. Not sure who has guys playing tonight though.

**8 End Fantasy

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

JD, great meeting you and your little lady. Hope you guys enjoyed the rest of your visit.

We had a pretty nice little group there, with Willie and Stumped and Stumptown Chris and a couple other dudes. Heck, I wasn't even the only guy with a Riggins jersey on! That was cool.

The table of Dolfans next to us were pretty good-natured about the whole thing, but man did they head for the door IMMEDIATELY when Swish went swish. Funny.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Here is to a successful surgery and full recovery...Jansen we'll definitely miss you!

Posted by: NEskinsfan | September 10, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, most of us have tried to walk away before ... you'll be back ... and we'll be glad to have ya! Change your name if necessary (not like that hasn't been done before). Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba.

In other news, on the nfl.com site, if you click on the score box for yesterday's game, there are some videos. The fourth one (the Skins' post game presser) ends with a somber straight talking clear thinking Portis with his thoughts on Campbell. Its going to be a good season.

How many days do we wait to start focusing on the Eagles? [In Cameron's post game presser, he says that, after 4:30pm Monday, the Phins move on to the next game.]

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If you suck on lollipops, Ring-Pops, baby pacifiers, or any such nonsense, rest assured, you are a Gaylord. A straight man only sucks on bar-B-que ribs, crab claws, raw oysters, crawfish guts, pickled pigs feet, or t*ts. Anything else and you are in training and undeniably a fag.

Posted by: Maybe This | September 10, 2007 03:43 PM

OH Yeah? Want to say that to my face? Who love's ya' baby?

Posted by: Kojak | September 10, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,
Don't be a stranger...
I hope the Dolphins win big for the rest of the season.
cheers.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If you drive with both hands on the wheel, forget it, you're dying to tune a meat whistle. A man only puts both hands on the wheel to honk at a slow-a$$ driver or to cut the jerk off. The rest of the time he needs that hand to change the radio station, eat a hamburger, or hold his beer.

Posted by: Last One | September 10, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate:

I think its silly to have 2 games on Monday night. I want to watch both but second one is LATE! Just have one monday nite game...I watch every second I can but this is just dumb...

Also the announcers for game 2 (which could be an entertaining game...) is MIKE & MIKE of MORNIG FAME......GROSS!

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

In other news:

"PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Two-time Pro Bowl cornerback Lito Sheppard is expected to miss at least one game for the Eagles with a sprained knee ligament.

Sheppard hurt his right knee in a three-way collision with teammate Sean Considine and Packers receiver Ruvell Martin late in the first half of Philadelphia's 16-13 loss at Green Bay on Sunday.

An MRI exam Monday confirmed Sheppard has a sprained medial collateral ligament. The Eagles host the Washington Redskins next Monday night.

"I don't think he'll make it this week," coach Andy Reid said.

Will James would replace Sheppard in the starting lineup and Joselio Hanson would fill the nickel spot.

"

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What, did you all order Mahi-Mahi right in front of them after the win?

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate??? Sacrelige... uttered from the mouth of a high priest!

No, actually, these two tonight basically suck a** and the wife won't tolerate much more foozball anyway.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 10, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat- You'll be back. You won't find the jibba jabba up to standard on any 'Fins blog.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes Nate; I saw that too... and he didnot start a WR right? I forgot to look at that.

SF has to shut out the Cards... could happen. At least we would tie

Posted by: Zebra | September 10, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey Stumped, where is the pic of Jansen's ankle

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Why does it feel like we're treating Redcoat like a battered wife. "You'll be back... You know you love us..." and then right as the cop jams us in the back of the car he freaks out and says "No!!! don't take him! I didn't mean it! I don't want to press charges!" Meanwhile, all we can do is hope the producers digitize our faces.

Peace, RC.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 10, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me how the Browns, Falcons and Chiefs aren't fighting for Byron Leftwitz services right about now????

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

seriously, honestly mike & mike have pictures of walt disney doing something very naughty with minnie or even mickey

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, stay well.

Posted by: Zebra | September 10, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Little known jewish quarter back Byron Leftwitz can't be in the NFL because he can't play in the rare friday night game.

Posted by: Larry Bud | September 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Carson Palmer is my QB in FF, but in my money pool, I have Baltimore as my #4 confidence game (always tricky picking division rivals). I'm torn.

Anon, sounds like you might have a wide stance yourself -- takes one to know one. Do whatever you need to do though ("not that there's anything wrong with that").

Has anybody been watching Philly in the preseason and on the injury front? Where are they weakest-to-strongest on D? DL? LBs? Secondary?

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah yeah spelling aint my thing, especially as I post bettween fits of work...

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 10, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Did You Know?
Famous coaching flop Rich Kotite (40-56; .417) had a better career winning percentage than Norv Turner (58-82-1; .415) before Sunday. -- Cold Hard Football Facts

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

98,484

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

So we have a "long week" this week (Sunday to Monday), which nobody will probably even mention, but whaddya wanna bet we hear Gibbs lamenting the "short week" (Monday to Sunday) between the Eagles and Jets games? Anything to moan about :)

Seriously though, wonder whether they'll squeeze in an extra day of practice or something, or just a day off?

Will our boys be taking the train up to Philly, as they do sometimes? I love it, seems so old-fashioned to do that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Um, sorry... typo. That was supposed to be:

90,484

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Only the 4th and 5th games i'll have seen in like 4 months.

If i live to be 100 I hope I never read the words "too much football" on this blog again.

You should be ashamed of yourselves....no really I mean it.

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame, what was that??

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Philly D:

Line - Good
LBs - Shaky
Secondary - Very good, but they will miss Lito

Posted by: Winged Thing | September 10, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Good one, Dame. I was wondering how I missed the 8,000-comment thread.. That would really be something!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

cL, in Cleveland, my hometown buds really do think Quinn is all that ... and that the season already is written off (and Crennel is good as gone). Atlanta MUST be thinking they get a bye year (and maybe Petrino is counting on it so he can pick up Brian Brohm), but for the time being they seems like they need to keep Joey (don't call me Joe) Harrington from quitting. They will need an NFL to mentor whoever they bring in, but presumably they can wait to get Leftwich till the offseason. KC just drafted high last year to get Croyle (even though Huard looks better).

I'm guessing the reason no one has jumped to grab Leftwich is because its Week One and they all have a lot of other stuff to worry about. My guess is that he gets a job once some starter goes down and out for the season with an injury. My other thought about roster moves this year is that, of yesterday's 32 starting kickers, less than 20 of them will still have the job as of Week 17.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I believe we will be better with Wade at RT than Jansen. I firmly believe that JJ is one of those guys that somehow gets a reputation for being a great player because he's been in one place for a long time. You guys saw him this preseason getting beaten like a red headed mule. He's a good dude and all that but so is dcsween, and dcsween doesn't get to play RT.

In one of the previous posts, somebody said something about L2 not having an impact. I don't know how to say this but he knows who you are and well...don't go over the middle of your lawn. He was all over the field, lined up in a dozen different places, covered, hit and took down beverage orders. Absolute man.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | September 10, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Why did Moss & Cooley see so few balls yesterday?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Based on Bugel's stmt "Let me sit on that 'till Thursday", it sounds like they moved practice out one more day (IIRC from previous descriptions from Jasno).

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame, those numbers mean nothing to me. Are we anywhere close to a prime number?

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Dolphins' Daniels accepts partial blame for loss
Travis Daniels doesn't care if you blame him for this loss. He blames himself. ''I feel like I had a lot to do with the loss today,'' the Dolphins cornerback said after Miami's 16-13 loss to the Washington Redskins. ``Those two passes, if I don't give them those two plays, the game is totally different.'' -- Miami Herald

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Moss - Sore wrist and tight coverage
Cooley - double coverage

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Did You Know?
The Redskins face NFL's easiest schedule. Their 2007 opponents were just 24-67 (.264) last year against Quality Teams. -- Cold Hard Football Facts

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Prisco:

B-
Redskins: The running game and the defense keyed this win. They ran it right at the Dolphins, especially on the game-winning drive in overtime.
C-
Dolphins: The run defense struggled, which hurt. Trent Green had a decent day, but they couldn't get in the end zone late in regulation, which hurt.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that doesn't know the importance of Jon Jansen, just doesn't know football. He is a solid performer on that line, last year and this preseason. Joe Bugel, whom I would list as an expert on the subject, really likes Jansen and his work. He is a major cog on that line and will be missed.

I hope Wade can step in and play well. He has Strahan coming up. Not to mention a tough Eagle dline next week. I thought Heyer played great yesterday. He is a gem in the rough.

Godspeed to Jon Jansen #76. My prayers are with you.

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | September 10, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | September 10, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Based on his performance, don't you think Green was worth a 5th rounder?

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Reaching the Boren Ultimatum by kickoff of the bye week is way too easy of a goal for this hamster group.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 10, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Just so I can torture myself, can someone post a link to the play where Brandon Lloyd embarrassed himself and the organization? Cap hit or not, this cancer should be shown the door yesterday. Does it matter if it's Caldwell or some other stiff in the third spot and warming the bench, as long as they play the Redskins way?

Posted by: Pete in Atlanta | September 10, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Moss is a great decoy in coverage, even with a sore wrist. He can take the #1 cornerback out of the play with deep routes, even when Moss knows he can't catch the ball.

Cooley was getting under and over coverage on almost every route he ran, so that takes away another defender (usually the free safety).

End result is Randle El getting single coverage from the #2 cornerback or nickel back, and lots of balls thrown his way.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

***Fantasy Island***

I think that ONE whopping point from Steven Jackson will probably do me in, Nate.

4th, looks like CP was the right play after all.

F Steven Jackson

Posted by: SMACK | September 10, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

... and all this time I thought the reason I wasn't playing RT was b/c I offended people. [The best offense is not a good defense, its being offensive.]

AMMTS, Cameron said something about teams not trying to rush against the Skins with Landry in there ... high praise from a former offensive coordinator who should know.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me:

Lloyd can't be cut because the Redskins don't have the cap room to do so. To cut Lloyd, other players would also have to be cut to create the cap room necessary.

It's not a difficult concept - stop being stupid about it.

The cap goes up every year. An increase in the cap in 2008 should give the Redskins the cap room necessary to dump Lloyd in March 2008.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Nice stat off that 4th:

don't get all the heat the secondary is taking. The Dolphins gained a pathetic 3.9 yards per pass play. Even if

Posted by: Skinz | September 10, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I said it on another thread and I will repeat it here. Jon Jansen is an average lineman that gets a pass because he is a great guy, a good soldier through good and bad, and get to play on the less busy side of the line. If he were in Samuels spot, he would have been found out long ago. As for the Buges liking him comment, what do you expect him to say? The elder statesman player on the team and part of his line is a bum? he is not a bum, but Wade is at least his equal, and with Heyer behind him, just put him on the IR now and go out and get a guy off someones practice squad or one of the unemplyed TE or WR that we need. And one more thing, though his injury is bad, at least he knows he is going to walk again. Think about it.

Posted by: AJ | September 10, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This comment post is 90,511.

That's a prime number, sweenie. The next one we'll reach is 90,523...

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay, not that exact post (but AJ's before mine). Still, that was a prime number...

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Pete,

Pic #5 is the Jansen train wreck.

Pic #15 is the Lloyd, Brandon train wreck.

Pic #25 is Chris Samuels' triple jointed right arm.

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/photo/dolphinsredskins/

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

What was really bad about the Jansen play is that the Fish were offsides and refs should have blown the play dead as defense had a straight shot to the QB. Thus Jansen would never had been in that situation.

Kevin

Posted by: Kevin | September 10, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

ArtMonkToTheSticks... so it'll be Hill Country again for you next Monday?

I'm totally up for watching there, given your glowing review from yesterday.

I'll wear my Riggins jersey if you promise to wear your white Skins polo and sweat through it on the way over. We are nothing if not classy.

http://www.hillcountryny.com/

[My only misgiving: it's Texas barbeque, not Carolina... but I'm splitting hairs here. If it were Dallas week, that might be a dealbreaker.]

chris Larry? Bucktown Skins Fan? connskins? Other NY area blog peeps?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wapolive, did you ever head up to the place in Cleveland Circle? If so how was it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 10, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This may be overly optimistic, but I think the Iggles play right into our hands.

Westbrook is a pretty good back, but mostly as a receiver out of the backfield. Rocky and Fletcher will be all over him as a runner, and I can't wait to see the grim reaper take his head off when he floats out there with that weak screen crap. they have no WR even as good as Miami so our guys should be able to cover. Lito Shephard is out, and their LB's are not that good to begin with. Our O-line should be able to get Portis and Betts through to the LB's.They will be over peersuing so much that Antwan shoud be able to throw a pass from an end around or a flea flicker should be good for a TD. may be all that is needed. I am busy the rest of the week so I will try to check in on Saturday when the real predictions start flying.

HAIL!

Posted by: AJ | September 10, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

JLC: "Per se" not "per say." I know, i'm a jerk... whatever

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

It's football - SJK happens.

Jansen lost for the season is not the end of the world - it's just one of those things. Lots of people up here were calling for Wade to start at RT anyway, based on Jansen's weak showing in pre-season. Now they have their wish. The truth about Jansen is that he is still a very good run blocker, but not so good anymore at pass protection. (Don't discount the torn Achilles as the reason he doesn't backpedal so well anymore.)

It was a bad day for injuries all over the league this week. The same thing happens every year. Other players now have to step up. It will always be this way - football is a violent game.

Yes, Jansen may walk again when he recovers, but chances are pretty good he won't walk very well as he gets older. I hope he buys a whirlpool and a ice tub with his extension money, for his sake.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Who: Coach Mangini
Song: "Paranoia"

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Noted, point is the guy in Buffalo probably won't so let's not get all bleary eyed for a broken ankle. You are right stuff happens but some stuff is bigger than others. Just a thought between rants about blown calls and bad Wr's. Peace

Posted by: AJ | September 10, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

WOW, from PFT, so take it with a grain of salt, but these would be devastating:

On the same day that the Giants learned that starting tailback Brandon Jacobs will miss 3-5 weeks with a knee injury, it also was learned that defensive end Osi Umenyiora will be out for two months with a knee injury of his own.

But that might not be the worst news.

We're hearing an unconfirmed rumor -- and this is incredibly unconfirmed for now -- that quarterback Eli Manning might be done for the year with a shoulder injury that he suffered during a failed two-point conversion attempt in the fourth quarter of Sunday night's loss to the Giants.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 10, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Since farstriker cannot give me grad credit and the Redskin Insider is not an accredited university equivalent (University of Phoenix is?) I am now sitting in the back of my monday afternoon class BMGO. That should earn me at least a few TCCLs. I have to be careful though... could earn me an "F" as well.

The Dorf Abides ever so sneakily

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

With the Monday night game in Philly, the Redskins will be off Tuesday and Wednesday this week....

Posted by: Cindy | September 10, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

You're right, AJ. Hopefully Kevin Everett will recover and regain his mobility. His injury should put all the little stuff in perspective for all concerned.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JLC: "Per se" not "per say." I know, i'm a jerk... whatever

Posted by: | September 10, 2007 04:29 PM


And I thought it was: "Peri say"

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I have never heard of anything being "incredibly unconfirmed" -- that's a very helpful turn of phrase for indicating news-free reportage.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Who are those dudes who posted that incredibly unconfirmed rumor about The Reaper going to the hospital for an MRI, that they swore up and down was true, back in camp? postgameheroes? Incredible!

Ah, the Internets.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

With the Monday night game in Philly, the Redskins will be off Tuesday and Wednesday this week....

Posted by: Cindy | September 10, 2007 04:41 PM

Guess that means that Jasno is off also. It's a long way to the Boren Ultimatum, Cindy. Please plan on dropping in new threads on Tuesday and Wednesday so the hamsters don't go ballistic.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Cindy!

How'd we compare with the other WashPo blog action this weekend? Did our big days push us past the religion people?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Stealthy dorf"
(dorf)
(drf)
(df)
(d)
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Okay you're invisible, you can do anything you want now.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

They should rename their site, "postgamegoofballs", or in honor of Wilbon, "postgameknuckleheads".

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cyn Cyty. Give us an update on your friend? How is she doing?

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Incredibly unconfirmed rumor!!!....
This just in!!!......
Details at 11:00!!!......

The RI hemmie/hammy sufferererer is P Diddy.

As you said Nate, Ah the internets. Anyone can start rumors.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Soon enough, once the real $$$$ from MASN starts rolling in than I'll be able to buy the Redskins. That'll stick it to those Ravens for trying to edge me out of the Baltimore Sports scene.

Posted by: Peter Angelos | September 10, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to use you as an example there, Viscount.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I'M NAKED!

Posted by: () | September 10, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't feel my face anymore

Posted by: E | September 10, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Tying it all together ...

"incredibly unconfirmed rumor" (LBM out) + chRIs Larry's question about Leftwich = Leftwich to the NYG.

Leftwich may be essentially immobile, but seems like he would be an upgrade over Eli Manning even if healthy.

Posted by: dcsween | September 10, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

CONFIRMED FACT: PFT's accuracy is in worse shape than Jansen's ankle.

When they get a story right, it is by accident.

Posted by: CCR | September 10, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Underneath my clothes, i'm naked.

Posted by: Seantizzy 2 d hizzy | September 10, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs presser on now, but Comcast not carrying it.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

for new poster CCR ...

[after reporting the stolen car]
The Dude: Do you find them much, these, stolen cars?
Younger Cop: Sometimes. Wouldn't hold out much hope for the tape deck though.
Older Cop: Or the Creedence.

Posted by: Walter | September 10, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Coach Joe on xxx. (yeah the piece of SJK working today) He said the Reaper had 5 tackles yesterday and with him playing the middle of the field. The Dolphins didn't want to go deep.

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Thrash take the field against his former team next week. Every time that guy gets some minutes good things always happen. F Brandon Lloyd. I'd rather sacrifice some speed and get a work horse performance from a proven vet and team player then roll the dice with Lloyd. If dropping from #2 to #3 on the depth chart hasn't lit a fire under his a** there's not much that'll motivate this bum.

Beantown Greg, for what it's worth I checked out the game at Coolidge Corner Clubhouse in Brookline and enjoyed the heck out of it. Nice atmosphere, a handful of skins fans...I ate, drank and screamed my guts out till the final play. It's fun being the loud a**hole NY transplant in a buttoned up city.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | September 10, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Why should they carry it? Joe Gibbs is a master of speaking about nothing. He will not divulge any new info purposely

Posted by: George | September 10, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks jm. Let us know if he's got anything else to say

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Jeff H, thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 10, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

This says the season is over for Jansen. Reporting, or opinion, or inspired guess?
you decide.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802387d0&template=without-video&confirm=true

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Walter, great bowling movie crack back.

Posted by: CCR | September 10, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This says the season is over for Jansen. Reporting, or opinion, or inspired guess?
you decide.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802387d0&template=without-video&confirm=true

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Said they haven't talked with Wade. So he hasn't received any word from them that he is the starter

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Yo Jeff Hayes

Did venture back to 205th, between my crue and some ones we hooked up with we had fun. I hate what a steelers bar it is, and I almost got in a fight after a steeler fan ridiculed skins after Jansen injury/first field goal, with something like..."we all dont get to the play the browns each week deuche bag"....but we hugged it out and I felt bad when I saw he was there with his kid...but hey he started it..


Also, as I described last night, some drunk floosey was taunting us with "Lets go cowboys" but wasnt paying attention to where she was going and face planted right into a wall....hysterical..we gave her standing O...and the entire bar chanted "cowboys suck"

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Then I guess Buges gave Wade the "Larry Craig nod".

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

mental note. Never go out with that damn drunk CL LOL

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll be proud to roll with chris Larry and the Warriors next Monday night.

If any shabingus goes down, I'm pretty sure I'd be faster than cL (for running away purposes).

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

way to hug it out CL

real men hug it out

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Although I will be breaking a rule of never going to bar to watch a game I can watch on local TV, me and my non-blogging skins party will be at Hill Country to represent!

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs just said in his press conference they haven't decided on Wade or Heyer yet. False call JLC!

Posted by: Honethort | September 10, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ESPN just reported that LBM is out for a month.

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

ESPN - Eli Manning out for at least a month with a seperated shoulder. Looks like we get to play the Hefty Lefty.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Eli out at least a month- ESPN

Posted by: 4-12 | September 10, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hefty Lefty could be best thing to happen to jints in a long time.....

we will eat him alive though

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

We should put Ladell Betts in as a LB and have him mow down the Hefty Lefty... disagree? Go ask Chris Samuals what he thinks about the idea.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ESPN now pushing the Leftwich to Jints idea.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Dorf bringing the comedy hammer today!

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 10, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Also said if he has a severe seperated shoulder then it's highly unlikely he'll make it back this year.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Betts/Samuels hit was crazy funny....u could tell betts was like "sorry brutha, your in my way" and just dropped the shoulder and plowed through him...

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 10, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I am bored to tears in this class... a grad level class where all we do is review (via powerpoint)what the reading homework was.

At least the PhD student instructor is hot.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

yo CL- sounds like your average Sunday at 200 5th...hysterical. The place I was at yesterday was like Sunday morning mass by comparison. Hopefully I'll be down that way one of these weekends and we can turn the place upside down together. The last time I was there people were wailing on drums after every TD, dancing on tables...totally out of control.

I gotta say I loved the way Campbell choked down his puke and hung with Jansen during his ordeal on the field. Looks like the makings of a true leader. So it's J-Load and the Gmen, huh? I definitely like our chances vs them.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | September 10, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

I may be way out of date since I've been out of the country until Sunday afternoon, but the pre-season injuries of most concern were

DMac's knee - won't be 100% all year
LJ Smith's sports hernia - re-injured midway through training camp, if he's even playing, he's nowhere near 100%
Shawn Andrew's (PB Tackle) ankle - no one's sure what's wrong, but this went from mild sprain to potential career ender the week before I left; very weird

and from this week's game

Lito Sheppard almost certainly out with a knee injury.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | September 10, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

skins getting lucky....... OT coin flip, CB for eagles out next week, Manning out, eagles loose to packers..all in two days, wow.

Posted by: tmac | September 10, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

With the 300lb QB, injured RB, injured Umenyiora and that horrible defense from yesterday, I'm liking our chances against the Giants.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Question for the blog:
What were you surprised most by from this weekend's games?

For me it was Tennessee rushing for over 250 yds on what was supposed to be a strong Jaguars defense - IN JACKSONVILLE.

Posted by: skinswest | September 10, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I am officially trashed

Posted by: E | September 10, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate and others in NYC,

I have my show in Brooklyn on Monday. My plan is to do my time then roll to HC. Even though its a national game, I still want to build the mo there. I'd stake my namesakes ability to get first downs on it...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | September 10, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

When will ESPN stop hiring commentators who can't speak English just because they used to play football. i.e. Keyshwan and Emmit.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

E: Not if you can still spell "officially."

Beantown Greg and fellow Boston skins fans: good to hear you're out there. I'm usually in Cambridge for the games, either at the Tavern in Central Square or, even better, at one of the many bars in Davis or Porter (I prefer Joshua Tree). We'll have to organize a northern gathering of Redskins fans sometime this season...

Posted by: Fightin' Helmfish | September 10, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Man my heart goes out to Kevin Everette.

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

sorry if this has already been said, but too many posts and not enought time.

Anyway, it seems to me that this injury should be the fault of the officials. Jason Taylor was way offsides on that play, and I think it should have been blown dead, before the injury could have any happened, for encrochment. But i'm not really clear on when it is encrochment and when it is just offsides, so maybe should have been offsides and injury still would have happened. But when somebody jumps that early it can mess up what everybody on the line is doing, and there at least should have been a penalty.

Posted by: gethanr13 | September 10, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Helmfish- you're on!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | September 10, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What most surprised me this weekend was the Girls and Giants running up 80 points.

Posted by: David | September 10, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to say how good the Texans looked.

That and how bad the injuries were this weekend... physically and psychologically

(you can't tell me Chicago's offense is feeling really confident right now)

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

(lots of random injury info)

And we can't field punts, so a Skins 3 and "out" may be an effective offensive series.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | September 10, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

What most surprised me this weekend was the Girls and Giants running up 80 points.

Posted by: David | September 10, 2007 06:07 PM

That's no surprise - that's just bad defense. Chris Larry could have covered the receivers on either team better than the clowns the Gints and Cowgirls had out there.

Both teams were rushing hard on every play and leaving the secondaries to be toasted. (Kind of looked like the 2006 Skins defense.)

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

Shawn Andrews might be a bit of a head case. He was crying and proclaiming his injury a career-ender. Reid played it down the following day or two (probably after you left town), saying it wasn't that big of a deal.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Todd Wade - sometimes O-Tackle, sometimes Psychic Friend.

Posted by: TM | September 10, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 6:22 p.m. EDT, September 10, 2007

EVERETT LIKELY WILL BE PARALYZED

The AP reports that Bills tight end Kevin Everett suffered a "catastrophic" neck injury on Sunday. The injury also is described as "life-threatening."

"A best-case scenario is full recovery, but not likely," Dr. Andrew Cappuccino said, one day after performing a four-hour operation on the player. "I believe there will be some permanent neurological paralysis. . . . A full neurological recovery was bleak, dismal."

Although Everett has had successful surgery to remove bone chips resulting from fractures of the third and fourth vertebrates in Everett's neck, he remains at risk for blood clots, infections, and breathing failure.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Everett has been placed on the Bills' injured reserve list. But Everett's playing status is just a footnote at this point; the injury is a reminder of how dangerous the game of football can be, at every level.

Posted by: Forget about Jansen for a minute | September 10, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should look at recently released RT Rob Petiti. He started all 16 games as a rookie with Dallas in his first season, then dropped to the Saints last Saturday. He is a n ex Pitt Panther and we know that Joe likes a Pitt Panther on OL (Russ Grimm).

Posted by: Jon | September 10, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, the Kevin Everett thing should give us all pause. Sure, these guys are playing a remarkably violent sport as their profession, and that definitely puts them in more harm's way than any of us (most likely). But it's humbling to think just how much your life can change in an instant.

My heart and my prayers are out to Everett and his family.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Good thoughts go to Everett in Buffalo. Ugh is all I know what to say in this situation.

Hope Jansen is okay too talk about gruesome picture.

Stuff like this makes it even more outrageous that the NFLPA doesn't step up and demand benefits for the vets.

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't get through all the posts so maybe this is old news but the rumors out here are Skins are looking to trade to get Kwame Harris from the Niners. At least that's what Niners fans are saying.

Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Holy shmokes the Gints are cooked! Could it get any worse for them? I was thinking Raiders had it bad but wow.

Good for us though right?

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Will they take BLloyd back?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm at my last nerve with the Receiver. I know you guys have hashed it out on him already but #@($*&@(%&@#($%&@#(*$ is all I can think to say.

I mean do you even trust this guy to put him on the field to prove himself at this point? That INT was a JOKE! I could have caught that ball and while I'm tall I'm a vaugely outta shape nice white lady who never played football seriously in any way shape or form.

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I need the experts in the room to please please please explain to me the thousand yard cushion our CBs seem to be giving receivers. I remember this from last year.

What is the strategy?

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Finally I thought Soups showed the promise we all think he has. He hurled the ball around like a drunken Scotsman with a tree but I'm guessing adrenaline + his height + his strenght + his youth = bullets that can be controlled with time.

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I found this on a 49ers blog over on Sportsline.com.

"Redskins starting right tackle, Jon Jansen, was seriously hurt in week 1. he might be out for the season. u think we should try to trade them harris (who might not even suit up for today's game) and try to get a draft pick or two from them?"

No further evidence yet.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

blloyd for kwame brown. straight up trade.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Can you believe Emmitt Smith and Keyshawn?!?! Makes you miss Micheal Irvin!

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jasno! Don't even think about laying into my boy Benny Graham! Grrrrr.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hi I'm skippy. I have a metal plate in my head and I really really like Lemon meringue pie.

So what's the deal with Brenda Lloyd. Anyway? He ax like he doesn't know and he doesn't care, leading me to enquire, is he ignorant or indifferent?

He didn't even jump to try to defect that intercepto. And then he chased the intercepto like he had a toad in his pants.

But skippy has the solution to the enema within the condom within the basilicus that is Brando Linda?

Football is like the military except you don't have to play overseas games where they don't speak English. In other words, if Bimbo Lando are given a direvt odor by Joe Gobbs, and he disobeyed it, they could shoot him, for deoilation of dooby, right?

Sp make him a wedge burster on speckledl teams.

Skippy may have mental in his dome, but he isn't as dumb as the next guy. Not on this forum. Anyway?

Posted by: Skippy | September 10, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

More on the Harris rumor. Nice reputation for our FO out there as if we didn't already know that.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=72700

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Skippy have had lots of typos becasue he is getting Fox News on his plate.

Sorry. Gonna get some pie now.

Posted by: SKIPPY | September 10, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

sfskin - Only looks like an internet rumor that only SF fans are talking about since Jansen got hurt. I think we're good with Wade and Heyer but I did notice that this guy is in the last year of his contract so he could be a good FA pick up next year.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone not like Chad Johnson? He makes you think back when you was a kid playing the game out of love. Chad is the man.

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I am def pro chad johnson

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree jm, Ocho Cinco is awesome.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, where the hoes at?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The good thing about CJ is that he talks all that smack in good fun and he can back it up.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

This may have been discussed already but I don't have time to read 300 posts. The Skins have a very real shot at being 6-0 given Iggles' offensive troubles and the Giants' injuries and weak D.

Posted by: LH | September 10, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

LH,
1-0
One game at a time.

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Ravens not looking too hot plus Ray Lewis is hurt already. Looks like he's in a lot of pain.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Skippy,
Your peanut butter sucks

JIF FOR LIFE MF

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

WTF is CJ doing?

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

TD chad!

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Cinco just burned L2's brother

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I do love Steve Mcnair but....

I love watching the big bad macho trash talkin idiot bravado suckin dawg ravens get skunked!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason, can we get an article on how you thought Landry and Taylor did together? I am down in texas and couldnt watch the game nor listen to it because of terrible triple x so have no idea about their pairing

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I love McNair but it maybe time for him to call it.

Chad I was looking for a little something more.

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

They were showing the highlights of Sav Rocca's first game here on the news last night. I found it funny, as he was setting up the commentator (Have no idea who it was) says "Here's the Aussie rookie Sav Rocca, and he has to be the biggest punter I've ever seen, he looks like he's about 6'3"!" Then the other commentator says " Ah actually he's 6'5" 265lbs!"

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

3 fumbles/TO's already!! This is bad for the Ravens. I like it.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Jason, can we get an article on how you thought Landry and Taylor did together? I am down in texas and couldnt watch the game nor listen to it because of terrible triple x so have no idea about their pairing

Posted by: | September 10, 2007 07:39 PM

Where at in TX?

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Lemar Marshall caused that last fumble for the Bengals.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

CJ celebration....way lame

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

CBSSportsline's Clark Judge -

Mark it down, Houston fans: One week into the season, Mario Williams leads Reggie Bush in scoring.

Hahaha

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

who orderd they alien in me kitchen?

Posted by: E | September 10, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - Niners fans think Harris is eh at best apparently he's fond of the offsides penalty flag.

Alright I gotta drive myself home. Try to check in later.

Posted by: sfskin | September 10, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Damn did you just see that hit by Reed?

Posted by: jm220 | September 10, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or is ESPN taking less commercials?

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

That's something I wanted to complain about!

I recorded Sportscentre last night so I could see some Skins highlights. They had 1 play. Suisham's OT kick.

Thanks for the nice game summary butt holes.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Kost - meanwhile they spent at least 5-10 minutes on every other game. I just don't get the lack of love for the Skins over there on ESPN.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

maybe 5-10 minutes is stretching it but you get what I'm sayin.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Not only that, but I reckon I saw Randy Moss TD's 4 or 5 times. Then halfway through they do this Reset crap where they replay the highlights of the games which they had on at the start of the show!

I understand that there is a lot of sport going on, which they are trying to get through, but 1 kick? That's ridiculous.

I'm going to write them a letter!

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

CJ needs to slow it down. The guy I'm playing FF tonight has him on his team.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Not one mention of CP's return to form w/ no preseason or his TD run.

Not one mention of ARE blowing away his career marks in receiving yards.

Not even one mention of our so called "lack luster" D rising to the challenge, picking up 2 sacks and a TO which were lacking last year.

They didn't even show the almost amazing hail mary.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, they didn't even show our star tackle going down with a season ending injury. I'm SJKed!

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

we need a QB!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, should you still be coaching in the NFL if you can't even watch your team's field goal attempts?

Posted by: confused | September 10, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Jason, can we get an article on how you thought Landry and Taylor did together? I am down in texas and couldnt watch the game nor listen to it because of terrible triple x so have no idea about their pairing

Posted by: | September 10, 2007 07:39 PM

Where at in TX?

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 07:42 PM

San Antonio

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Damn 8:29. I'm new to TX and I've been looking for a fellow Skins fan to rep with me in the DFW area.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

That's something I wanted to complain about!

I recorded Sportscentre last night so I could see some Skins highlights. They had 1 play. Suisham's OT kick.

Thanks for the nice game summary butt holes.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 08:03 PM

ESPN, especially NFL prime time, has been resting on their laurels for a while. Those guys think they are soooo funny. Bradshaw and Long would be the a great fit for that laughfest. I made the switch to NFL Network for highlights.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | September 10, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you get the game on CBS? It was on the local CBS broadcast here in DFW.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Is this "rowdy"?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate, did you know you made the paper today? Best Reader Post in the WAPO.

Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Here we go with the Pats again. "Fastest 3 Minutes" but we're spending the first minute all on the Pats. Get off the Pats' SJK ESPN!

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

After the 2 injuries, the achilles and now this you have to wonder if Jansen might not finish up as a backup? I think Wade is it and they go out and look for another tackle either for the roster or practice squad. Next year I think its almost a lock that they draft a tackle in the upper rounds. If can find any available with their picks. The DL has been helped but they may still be looking there. But given JlC's "glowing" comments about the Brandon Lloyd wide receiver is definitely going to be a target. 12 mill guaranteed. I'd still cut the guy just to set the right example. They asked guys to leave who fought their guts out and you keep that guy? For financial reasons only? Its a terrible system if that can happen to any team.

As we listen to stoked up niner fans laughing their sjk's off at us for picking up Brandon "the red-finned tuna" Lloyd.

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,
Can you post a link to Nate's post? (?)

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I know, I bet it was:


"Panties"

Posted by: Stumped | September 10, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, it was in the paper version of the newspaper- I never read the Post online (except for the blog). I don't believe there is a link.

Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I have a huge crush on Hope Solo. You think she's related to Han?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is ESPN/NFL pushing Kanye West so much? I'm tired of the song already and the album hasn't even been released.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"With beer."

Way to rep the blog Nate!!!

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, wow, that makes I think twice I've hocked up a bloogie that WaPo saw fit to print. What could it have been?

Wonder if it was one of my nuggets of wisdom from the new Monday morning "Throwing It Out There" craptatlhon, the "other" WashPo blog I've been sometimes dropping in on. I'm trying to help the rookie blog get its feet under it, along with some of the other RI regulars who drop round there from time to time. It's a hoot.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Dam Kosty u beat me to it! Great quote! I am proud for nate, I am proud for all of us!

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why I didn't get the best reader post.

Posted by: SIGN CHRIS COOLEY! | September 10, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

That was a good one! I really blogged my guts out on that one! I love me!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

www.redskins.com just died!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. "With beer". Classic.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree, nice work Nate! And good find Lisa!

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, nice play!

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

"First and foremost, I'd like to thank JC, the big fella, in whom all things are possible, and of course by which I mean Jason Campbell, and, uh, I believe that our, ah, blogs, like such as South Africa, and the Iraq and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our blogs over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq [timer bell]"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

From Redskins.com

Who do you think should take over as the starting right tackle?


54.4%
Stephon Heyer

39.1%
Todd Wade

5.2%
Jason Fabini

1.2%
Other player

Total Votes: 248

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

okay...kinda have a bad news. i was listening to riggo and he had bram on. btw i make fun of bram but he is by far the best skins beat reporter there is. i don't know how you guys feel about him but i make it a date to listen to what he has to say about the team.

anyways...bram said that when he asked about Springs shabingus yesterday to gibbs and double G that they started to dance like they did with lavar when lavar wasn't playing or getting on the field.

to ashburn with pitch forks!!! THIS HAS TO STOP!!!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

My vote in that poll clearly goes to Ed Hochuli.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Bram an employee of the 'Skins?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness we don't vote for lineup changes.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

bigfish -

5.2% of 248 = SMACK voted 13 times.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, I guess he's a XXX employee, which puts him in the Play*Tone Galaxy of Stars...

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

What's up BigFish!?!? Born and raised in DC, but now live in the DFW area. Watched the Miami game on Channel 11, but have watched MANY games at the Humperdinks @ 75 & Campbell...we gotta hook it up!! Trying to get together some fans for the November game here in Dallas.

Posted by: Reppin' TX | September 10, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - I don't see how any true Skins fan could vote Fabini. That's just crazy.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I think the 2 sacks is one of the under-reported stats. We had like 12 all last season. We should get some love there.

Does anyone know if Brandon Lloyd has a vagina?

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

You're kidding me. Another skins fan in my area and from the DC area. I'm in Grand Prairie very close to Mansfield. Where are you at?

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

My point was that if he is being paid by "Mr." Snyder, he is not a real journalist (when it comes to covering the 'Skins, at least), and therefore I sincerely doubt that he was intimating a dog house because that would be oh so incongruent with the marketing image that "Mr." Snyder wants to portray.

That said, I did find it peculiar that Shawn didn't play.

That also said: 13 points allowed, 66 yards rushing allowed. I'm fairly certain the defense did just fine and that we hamsters are just looking for a way to continue our criticism of the team unabated.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

How do you guys tolerate Texas? :-)

BTW, one of my favoritest hotels in the world is the Hotel Za Za in Deep Ellum.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Have to say: much, much, much improved ESPN game crew with Jaws in there. Can't believe a network exec made a good decision.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

How do you guys tolerate Texas? :-)

BTW, one of my favoritest hotels in the world is the Hotel Za Za in Deep Ellum.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 09:20 PM

Diddy - I wonder the same about you PacNW people. I prefer the heat myself. And the people down here aren't that bad either. Mostly pretty nice, outgoing and easy to get along with.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

diddy, actually they (xxx espn) are usually more critical of the team and gibbs than 980.

you have to understand if they're not critical and are all like larry michael then the radio station is not going to do well.

and we all know what danny is interested in and that is the bottom line.

riggo is also employed by him and riggo has been the most critical of gibbs than anyone in this town.

and bram hasn't changed his tone since 980. but larry michael is the ultimate shmuck!

was that you who called his show(larry michael on 106.7) once and offered him a job as his pr man? cuz the caller said you're so good at selling crap...

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I have called two radio shows in my entire life:

- WJFK (back in the day) as the 16th caller, and therefore eligible to win movie tickets to "Band of the Hand". Easily the dumbest movie I've seen that didn't involve Tom Green or Michael J. Fox.
- Ken Beatrice's show. On a dare. I asked him a bowling trivia question. He nailed it. This was before the days of The Google and The Internets, so even more impressive.

Other than that, I haven't listened to the radio ever since God invented the iPod.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

XXX Espn Radio is no way more critical than 980. I think the Riggins crew seems to have less venom than 980. 980 says the same things as ESPN radio, but with much mroe malice and venom. (It seems very personal). Let's not make more of the Springs thing than it may be. If he doesn't start in Philly, then lets go to the grassy knoll.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 10, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

BigFish...Moved to Dallas in 98 , now doing the family thing in Plano. Been to 5 of the last 6 Skins/'Boys games. The only one i missed was the Monday Night Santana Moss Miracle...(just my d**m luck )

Diddy...ZaZa is great. Took the wife to DragonFly for our anniversary. The good news is, the second mortgage went through, so we can go again!!

Posted by: Reppin' TX | September 10, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

actually shawn springs has been quite the topic on talk shows. him and THE receiver-NOT! unless they make a trade for asante samuel they're not going ANYWHERE without springs.

everyone needs to check their ego and start him next week. i'm in no mood to lose to the iggles. speaking of which...

sfskin:i'm gonna be in your town for the game. i'm debating if i want to watch the game on the plane heading back to dc or watch the game in SF and then leave town.

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Also good to hear that Bram has maintained his integrity :-)

Us Blue Devils have to root for one another to a) stay out of jail and b) graduate beyond McDonald's.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, it's my worst fear man. i'm hoping and praying that is not the case but all the reports are point and insinuating that there might be some ruffled feathers up there.

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Reppin - I noticed a Redskins bar in Plano called Austin Avenue or something like that. You ever go there? I have a sister in law in Plano also. I'm down here on Joe Pool Lake so it's like a 45 minute drive for me. I plan on going to Austin Ave soon though.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

dealer, watch the game in SF, then head back! Don't forget to head to El Farolito for a KILLER burrito.

If you're hanging out in the Valley, then you need to head to La Bamba for a great burrito. My favorite place (Burrito Real) is apparently closed. They're both around Rengstorff and Middlefield. If you're a nerd, you'll enjoy spotting the who's who of the software and venture capital world.

If you're out in the East Bay, you must head to Zachary's for pizza. THAT is a religious experience.

Yes, I'm starving.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

This is a fun as heck game to watch. Love the D.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

he Patriots' cameraman was suspected of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches who were sending signals to their unit on the field, the sources said. The league also is investigating some radio frequency issues that occurred during the game.

this has got to be a joke right? you telling me that the mighty patsies felt the need to cheat vs. the lowly jets?

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the blog, makin' connections. Love it.

dealer, I'd suggest watching the game in SF (early on the left coast) and then catching a redeye home. But that's just me.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Zachary's Pizza! I second that emotion.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 10, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he was checking out cheerleaders?

Dr. Pepper #72 is my new hero. Nothing like watching a fat man dance.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Springs, I did hear Jerry Coleman say this afternoon that he saw Springs walking with a small limp this morning. Perhaps they are playing him in small doses early in hopes that he will be available to them in the last half of the season.

If he is injured in some way, however small, I can understand why St. Joe wouldn't be too forthcoming with details about it since Springs wasn't on last week's injury report.

Personally, I'd make him get out there and earn that big check he likes to reference. But, I can understand why they wouldn't want to be overly reliant on him before they have to when it seems he can't stay healthy enough to be available to them when they need him most.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

BigFish...Austin Ave is about 10 minutes from my house. However, you need to get there early. I tried about a year ago. I walked in at 11:30 for a noon kickoff and couldn't find a table OR a place at the bar. It would have been great to be with all those diehards, but I wasn't gonna stand in the lobby for 3 hours.

By the way for all those interested in hearing Bad Newz for the Cowboys.....they are getting hit HARD by the injury bug. Lost for the season is Jason Ferguson (starting DT), Terrance Newman (starting CB ) will be a game time decision all season, Terry Glenn may have seaason ending knee surgery, Greg Ellis ( pro bowl LB ) may not play all year... so don't be fooled. They may have beaten the sorry a** Giants, but they have some problems.

Posted by: Reppin' TX | September 10, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

WOW WOW WOW WOW. Ed Reed!

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Ed Reed is ridiculous.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow....the Ravens ALWAYS seem to find a way to win.....they still may not win tonight, but they always seem to find a Def or Spec Teams TD to pull their fat out of the fire.

Posted by: Reppin' TX | September 10, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Reppin - I'll be away from the puter for a little bit but shoot me an e-mail to browntrevoratsbcglobaldotnet (boy never realized how long that was). I can be at Austin Ave early one Sunday if you're up for it.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

thanks dudes! i'm gonna be TIRED on tuesday!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree JustMe, surely it has to do with injury concerns.

IMHO the other players in Grilliams' doghouse, have been there because of issues created on field (e.g. Lavar freelancing). Springs is our best CB, we are a better team when he's on the field, they wouldn't keep him out of the lineup at risk of losing a game just to make a statement, and yet continue to keep giving B.Lloyd chance after chance.

Would they?

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

what ed reed do?

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

On Redskins.com they are asking which of three moments was the biggest in Redskins history.
in 82 Mark Mosley broke the NFL record with his 21st consecutive FG.
That is the runaway leader right now.

Folks, I was there that day, and it was fun. I was 19 years old and knowing he made the kick which won the game vs. the Giants and also clinched for the Skins our first playoff birth since 1976.

But folks how can we be voting that bigger than actually winning the NFL title in 1937?

And the hiring of George Allen was huge as well, because it meant going from 6-8 in 1970 to going to the playoffs for the first time in over 20 years. It also meant going the playoffs in 5of 7 years he coached, one Super Bowl and no losing seasons.

I love Moseley but a FG streak does not compare with those two. What are we doing?
It makes us look silly. It also makes us look like a bunch of 16 year old kids who think new is always better and anything in history is irrelevant.

Lets wise up some shall we and do a better a job in the next weeks as we vote. Let's look like we really are good knowledgeable Redskin fans.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | September 10, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

wow! raiders finally signed their player/jr

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

Reed ran a punt back for a touchdown.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Nflshop.com is having a 4 hour sale (ends at 11pm EDT). You get 20% off your order. Here's the link if you need some new gear: http://www.nflshop.com/home/index.jsp

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba.

sweenie, THAT is the tagline for RI.

Redskins Insider. Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba.

Cyn Cyty, you have to add that to the header. Effing brilliant!

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, folks. Just trying to catch up and that caught my attention...

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

MVDame -

Don't forget the

With Beer.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Ravens with 5 fumbles (7 total)...whats the record in a game?

Did they pull McNair for Boller?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 10, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Joke's on them. Now they can't even sell the Post's old tickets :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

kost, that's a given!

Posted by: MV Dame | September 10, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"per say"

I hart JLC's creative spelingz. They add zest to life.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you a Devil too?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | September 10, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

love watching the ravens bite it!!!

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure play action on 3rd and 1 up by 1 late in the 4th was such a good idea. Seems like Brian Billick was channeling Al Saunders on that one.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | September 10, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Walt fing Harris with the Int!

SJK you SJKers that drove him out of town.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

WALT FREAKIN HARRIS WITH ANOTHER (based off of last year) PICK? WHAT THE HELL?

Why did we get rid of him?

Posted by: Go Skins Go | September 10, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. Leinart is starting out like JC did yesterday. Almost looked like the same play, but to the opposite side of the field. San Fran is actually gonna score points off of his pick, though.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why we cut Walt Harris???? He has been an interception machine since signing with SF.

Posted by: Lisa | September 10, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

walt harris picking up rigt where he left off....

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan.

McNair limped off the field at the end of the last series he played.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

So how many millions of dollars would Dan Snyder throw at Walt Harris right now? WHEN HE COULD HAVE HAD HIM FOR NEXT TO NOTHING!!!

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Mike and Mike and Mike suck BTW.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Harris was dinged up all the time. They brought him on as a nickel back, but he became #2 CB when Springs was injured, and again when Smoot left.
He got beat just enough that it was really impossible to defend him. But he seemed like a good guy, had a very nice family (which is how I met him), and put up with a fair amount of "white boyz talkin' skins".

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Can I get an amen on how bad Mike&Mike&Mike are on this game?

Posted by: chris larry | September 10, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

I can only watch the game with the sound muted. I cannot bear Mike Golic.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is, by the time he left, Harris would've taken second place to Holdman in an RI popularity contest, and any attempt to keep him (it was like a $1M contract, IIRC) would have brought out the worst in a bunch of people; Ricky Bobby's head would've exploded.

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray (9:55), I like your critique of the Mosely record as the #1 moment.

Though, truth to tell, your suggestions don't thrill me. Having only read about 1937, I can't get jazzed about it. And George Allen was awesome, but there's no one moment that really hits it.

Come on, Riggins on 4th and 1 in the Super Bowl, isn't it kind of obvious

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

AMEN

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

kost....

This video clip adds new meaning to "reporting from the front lines"

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/09/10/vo.australia.reporter.assault.ap

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 10, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I heart Anquan Boldin. When is his contract up? I'd love to see Mr Snyder throw a dump truck of money at that dude.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, I miss those fun grad courses. All that cool theory--reading and trying to decode it is like a big puzzle.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Boller should be the starting QB over Mcnair.

Posted by: Jason | September 10, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jasno,

Did you notice that we didn't run one screen pass Sunday? Those have been great producers for us the past few years and they tire the heck out of the D. Think there's any specific reson for that?

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 10, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

skins may have given them walt harris but they also gave them derrik smith! i can't believe he's still playing for them.

thanks just me.

so i take it that jason's team lost? cuz their FO didn't address "the most glaring issue" since 2000 the QB position! ohh well. they have ONE superbowl! ohh yeah that FO sure makes the skins FO look silly.

just me, i say skins should get on the phone and offer #85, and #22 for anquan.

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

When is Jason going to post Gibb's decision? Redskins.com reports Gibbs as non-committal about who will start at right tackle?

Posted by: periculum | September 10, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

LMGO dealer, calling him #85 reminded me of Riggins on the radio this morning. He wouldn't call Pretty Boy by his name. Only referred to him as #85. Oh yeah, and he did call him a loser as well. ROFL

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Well, I say the 40-yard field goal call stinks. I don't care that Joe had a bad feeling in his tummy from past failures.

What do the numbers show?

NFL average, what's the success rate on a 40-yard field goal? What's the success rate on a 35-yard field goal? 30-yard?

Now, what are the chances of a catastrophe (10-yard penalty, fumble)?

This is simple probability--hire a frigging math major intern, crunch the numbers (simple multiplication to combine the probabilities), and have a script set to go.

This relying on gut feelings and memories of past failures is NOT high-quality decisionmaking!

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

The only reason we ran screen passes was because Brunell could not throw longer than a 15 yard out...barely. WE have a QB that can throw deep. Have you somehow missed that????

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the NFL isn't like the NBA where you can swap players, picks, and throw money around in trades too. Mr. Snyder would have bought us a big, physical receiver like Anquan ages ago. And, he's a big trash talker, too. I love watching him play.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

justme, i didn't hear riggo's rant but i heard of it. as an ex player he was probly very p'ed off. seriously as someone said can they even trust him to be on the field anymore?

they need to find a receiver...how about mike williams (mel kiper's fav. player) from detroit?

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

was anyone seriously thinking that a mike nolan coached team going to be any good? he's of the norv tree!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Farstriker,
I think Suisham has shanked some pretty important fg from about 30 yards. Didn't he do that in preseason -- the one that hit the upright? Or was that a PAT?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Okay, muting this game now...

Yes, Adam, a Devil. 1991.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

grimm lost some poundage. i want him to be the next skins HC.

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

you guys are so smart!!! i never thought to mute the tv!

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

are the flags in the laundry still? cuz they're letting them play. looks like a highschool game out there

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

yeah dealer, he was super pissed at #85. He said he is a wide receiver, not a football player, which is why he didn't make any real attempt to go after the DB who intercepted the ball.

Oakland apparently picked up Mike Williams at some point. He even had a catch in the game yesterday. Even he is more productive than Pretty Boy. I think I'm gonna be sick.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

i think the reff just farted in mike nolan's face! did you see how mike just moved away

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

LMGO

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

#85 would look so good in red and gold. mmm mmm mmm. they should TO him...like the iggles

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Anon 11:13

Yes he missed a 47 yard kick that hit the upright... in the pre-season. However he is 11-12 in the reg season since he has been here. What is more important????

Posted by: DR | September 10, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Pretty Boy doesn't play D. Grilliams really knows how to put a fella in the doghouse.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

that's exactly what i was thinking...i wonder if double G could adopt him and make him play on the D line for a series

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Mike Nolan and Jack DelRio may suck but at least they look good doing it.

Meanwhile Belichick looks like a bum off the street.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

#24 came to play

Posted by: dealer | September 10, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

farstriker... its not cool... I'm over school. I got a job. I don't live the college lifestyle anymore. I hate going to class with kids that are still talking about the party they went to last night and how much they puked over some balcony (way to generalize the entire college scene, i know!)

I'm just jealous of my co-workers who got their masters right out of college and now get to enjoy their afternoons and weekends.

Que the sad music for the white kid from middle class america that is complaining about his better than average life. I know, don't pile on.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Patriots

2000 - 5-11 missed playoffs
2001 - 11-5 Super Bowl win

Redskins

2006 - 5-11 missed playoffs
2007 - ????

I'm just sayin...

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, I do like the look of the suits. I always think DelRio looks disheveled and out of place in his, though.

Posted by: JustMe | September 10, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

well, anon, I'm sure that's true. Here's my case laid out a little more precisely:

Some things in football are gut decisions. Some aren't.

Deciding when to kick the field goal in OT when you're in range is the very definition of a non-gut decision: this is a decision that should be utterly determined by the numbers. It's cut and dried.

Now, if you give me numbers that show that Suisham is no more accurate from 30 than he is from 40, okay. Let's assume both numbers are within a couple points of 85%. Fine, let him kick on first down from the 40.

But I believe that that's not the case. Here's my supposition:

Suisham from 40: 76%

Suisham from 35%: 81%

Suisham from 30: 88&

These are total guesses on my part, but that's okay because they're just for arguments' sake.

Now, what about the percentage of a massive screwup (10-yard penalty or turnover)?

Let's suppose it's 10% for a series of three plays--again, a total guess.

And let's suppose that on average that drive would gain 8 yards (including some where the Skins drive all the way to score).

Okay:

1. Kicking on first down from the 40 in this giant hypothetical: 76%

2. Driving on. Chance of disaster (10-yard penalty, turnover): 10%.

3. Driving on. Chance of successful kick (average 8-yard gain): we'll say 87% * 90% [1 - chance of disaster] = 79%, approx.

Okay, all of this is a giant speculation. But here's the point: I'd like to hear that Joe's decision was based on some such numbers, not on a gut feeling. Over the course of a season, I want my coach going for the 79% play, not the 76% play.

Okay, thus ends the most hypothetical post I ever intend to post.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

That is what is wrong with this blog... All flash no substance and a bunch of eight year olds talking about underwear, poetry and a bunch of peolple who wish they had a fantastic life.. (P.Diddy, talking to yo) Move out of your mother's basement, stop ordering oreo pizza, and experience the real world. Not the fantasy that you pray to live.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, you need to develop some tricks to create more fun for you in classes:

1. Sometime when a professor has assigned his own book, and then is talking about that very topic, go Patton on him right at the start:

"You magnificent bastard, I read your book!!!"

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Love the suits, too. Didn't they say they got some kind of endorsement deal out of it? Specially made Joseph Abboud something or other?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I have a mancrush on Arizona's receivers.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, what are you studying again?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

So anon, the real world has no underwear, no poetry, and no hopes for a happy life?

Sounds like Britney Spears at the VMA.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the "bring my laptop to class and BMGO" tactic worked well today. I think I aced my quiz too.

I bet you're one of those profs that covertly slips your personal agendas into the curriculum. How was the monday morning QBing today? Pick on any eagles fans?

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

I didn't want to insinuate that there was anything wrong with the suits. I was just pointing out that the two coaches who wear them haven't done much but the one coach who dresses like a bum has. I like the suit idea also and I absolutely hate the fact that Belichik looks like someone off the street. We could use a little class in the NFL.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

What the NFL needs to do is create a uniform policy and ban celebrations in the endzone.

It's all about class.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | September 10, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Special Education... I know it ain't law school or anything... I just feel like its jumping through hoops to get a more important and expensive piece of paper than the one I already have.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

farstriker - I guess the other things to take into account are two new players on the line, and one who has missed the entire pre-season (penalty risk), and 1 RB who has a tendency to fumble at the wrong time, and another who has missed the entire pre-season.

Not saying that I think it was a good idea to go for it on 1st down, just saying.

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Bring back all celebrations!!! No Fun League indeed.

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

These Cards have just put me over the top against Redcoat in week 1! Woohoo!!

Posted by: kost52 | September 10, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

It still amazes me that people come here... read all the jibba jabba (well enough to know the regulars and what they were eating on Sunday afternoon...) and then criticize them for not having lives. Moron, you're wasting your time in this fantasy land too!

I can't ITA... its too hard.

I bet anon knows all the jargon too.
SJK bag.

Posted by: Dorf | September 10, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Go Mets!!!

Posted by: bigfish | September 10, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"I bet you're one of those profs that covertly slips your personal agendas into the curriculum."

Not at all. I have an extremely high code of conduct. Teaching is a mighty moral responsibility. Ideally, for instance, I don't want students to be able to tell whether I'm a Republican or Democrat, or whether I'm religious or not. Especially when talking about these things. My job is to get them to think seriously and ASK QUESTIONS, not just go knee-jerk like most people do most of thetime.

[Okay, I take it back a little: I have a pro-critical thinking agenda. So I actively push that. It's NOT COOL in my classes not to give a sh*t or to coast on the readings.]

Now of course the Skins are different. My kids know how I roll. I walked into a class today to find on the blackboard:

"How 'bout dem Skins!"

That was nice.

==================

Actually, even then, I often bring up the Skins as a negative example, and if a student wants to criticize them (team name, the Danny, out-of-it coach, etc.) then that's all good, all grist for the mill.

Damn, I'm bringing the blog down with this inside-baseball talk on teaching. Oh well, it's Monday. Plenty of time to focus on the essentials, like whether Heyer or Wade should start.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

kost52--well argued.

I'm prepared to believe that all of that was racing through Joe's mind, so that what I'm calling a "gut" feeling was his super-smart inner calculator figuring the odds.

Four years ago I would have totally believed that, without any doubt.

Now . . . not so much. But you make good points.

Posted by: farstriker | September 10, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

What amazes me is that they don't get a sentence into their diatribe and then think "wow, this is ten minutes of my life I'll never get back"...

Posted by: cload and daggar | September 10, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

That's cool farstriker... I actively brain wash my 6th graders into being self respecting, polite, responsible and disciplined...

I do admit I show some favoritism to the kids that like the Redskins though...

Speaking of school... I got to get up tomorrow morning. Good grief and good night.

Hail to em!

Posted by: Dorf | September 11, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan - It's been on the news quite a bit over here as you can imagine. Couple of blockheads who had too much to drink, cracked the sooks because their team got thumped, so decided to beat up a reporter? What's with that!

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Very cool, farstriker. You sound like the professor who changed my life. He told me, "You should leave school, it's not for you." He meant it in a good, respectful, proper way. I took his advice and left Merryland immediately.

Funny thing is that I'm now seriously considering going back to school if the startup thing doesn't work out. Except this time, I'm going to do something I want to do, like History or Drama, instead of something I "need" to do.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

So, in that video, where's the cameraman? Is he trying to break things up, or is he dutifully standing by his camera getting footage?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I did history because I wanted to... it delayed my career a bit, but I loved it. I think you're first mistake was going to "merryland" though.

Posted by: Dorf | September 11, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

farstriker - You're right though, it can't have been to difficult to tell the guys to play 'safe' for two downs, even if we only gained 1 or 2 yards. A 38 yarder has to be easier than a 40!

I just remember years ago, in a game which Norv was coaching, we called a reverse and we fumbled the ball on the handoff. The commentator had a go at Norv for the call, because the reverse was to Leslie Shepherd who was in his first game in 3-4 weeks after a hammy, and the QB was Shuler who was only in for 1 play because the starting QB (can't remember who) was on the sideline. He just said it was an unnecessary gamble, and if Norv had taken a second to think about the call, he would've taken it back in a second.

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Do "want to do" and turn it into a paying gig. There are always a million opportunities for creative people with brains and balls, especially if you can live with less-than-huge paydays. (I don't know, you might have to give up at least one of those three sets of season tickets!)

I liked Maryland. Undergrad there and no regrets.

Now my wife pulled a Diddy sans teacher advice--dropped out of grad school when she realized it didn't suit her. She's never looked back. Even tossed out her note cards from her doctoral dissertation a couple of years ago. For me, that would be like cutting off my hand.

But anyway, how's the late game going? I don't have cable. . . .

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, noooo kidding! I really did not like Maryland. Chose it solely for financial reasons, not because I had any particular passion for it. Of course, I lasted only a few semesters :-) Leaving school was easily my best decision ever. I left for SF in 1994 and was there for three years (that short period of time before the MBAs turned up and ruined it all with their khaki pants and polo shirts). It was an amazing time to be there.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Every time Leinart throws the ball, I'm absolutely convinced it's going to be an interception. Give me JC any day.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

farstriker -

49ers lead 13-10, 10mins remaining in the 3rd.

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Pdiddy said:

Okay, that's pretty scary. I started as a History major and switched to Drama, which I got my degree in.

So there is precedent!

(On the other hand, I wouldn't vouch for the results. . . .)

Posted by: hz hackenbush | September 11, 2007 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Is there an official RI position on who should win this lame game?

Playoff implications? Tiebreakers? Conditional draft picks?

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

ummm anyone read Janso's short piece on Springs situation in tuesday's paper?!?!

I really don't like the way this is sounding....Lavar 2....makes zero sense...

Grilliams is a major headcase...

Posted by: chris larry | September 11, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

My official position is that I hate the Niners.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

farstriker, Our Official Blog Position on this game is for Leinart to flop badly from a statistical perspective, completing my utter humilation of SMACK in our fantasy league opener.

F the NFC West and all their adorers out here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Guess we'd like the weaker side to win, whoever that is, to keep the wins low in a wild card chase.

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. The Shawn Springs situation is so annoying. Can't the 'Skins just do something right?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Nate - You've got yourself a decent score there don't you!

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Dudes, I'm as perplexed as anybody on this Springs deal, but I don't want it to snowball. Let's think happy thoughts on this one.

It's definitely NOT a LaVar situation (perceived incompetence/uncoachability) or an Archuleta situation (not good at the football playing).

You've got a critical piece of the puzzle, our best corner, who happens to be a little older and demonstrably fragile. Why not give him a little lighter load early in the season? Why not see how the rest of the gang plays without him in heavy rotation?

Trying positive spin on this...

...and I DO NOT believe Springs was Deep Cover last year. I just don't think so...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

kost, this fantasy opening week is so ridiculous. Plaxico Burress gets 32 freakin' fantasy points? I only started him because I didn't draft a WR until like the fifth round!

But yeah, leading SMACK 123-83 right now. I am savoring it because I know such moments will be few and far between this season.

*** end fantasy update

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, F the stupid NFC West. Two made-up teams and two relocated teams. Bunch of nobodies playing bad football and screaming that nobody on the east coast pays attention. It's the Pac 10 of the NFL, but without any of the charm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

DorF

I come here for the football talk not all the other garbage. The problem I have is during the game the Oreo pizza comment came up. Just speak about football like everybody else. Noboby else on this blog continously post thier personal life for affirmation!!! I did not realize that you also feel the same way. Agian nobody cares if you are in school working on an advanced degree. Take that stuff elsewhere This is a FOOTBALL BLOG!!! By the way the "SJK comment"...real classy. If that is what you have learn so far, you are wasting you money.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

You're right Nate, very weird start. On the opposite end of the scale to Plax, there's Drew Brees with 1 point. I must admit, I'm very lucky to get away with a win against Redcoat!

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Canfora trying to start SJK after a win with his negative mongering speculating about Springs. How about if they really are trying to save Springs up for the rest of the season? Maybe he really IS nicked up and they don't want opponents to know it?

Also, Canfora predictions about Mason playing because Portis was "so out of shape" were a bunch of SJK. Mason was inactive, Portis was key in the victory. His beat writing is missing a beat.

How many times do I have to read in a Confora Article the recycled fact that the skins set an all time low LAST YEAR in turn-overs and Lloyd had an all time low catches. We GET IT dude. This is 2007. Come up with some fresh angles.

Here is some re-tread Balmer news. Boller to Heap is the all-time choka-rific combo. Nice Monday night offense.

Out...

Posted by: DTC | September 11, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I think the week 1 Fantasy lessons are:

1. Start AFC players when they're playing NFC teams
2. Somebody better pick up Ward from the Giants
3. Bench the Cowboys D until they get healthy
4. Ditch the Giants D
5. Always bet on Peyton

Anything else?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Let's put it this way, kost: at the moment, SMACK's Leinart has one more point than my #2 WR, the inimitable Darrell Jackson. Ridiculous.

Next week I fully intend to lose to sween, something like 62-53. Karmic payback is a b!tch.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, DTC. I'm ordinarily a big JLaC supporter, but his comments about Heyer and Portis were way, way off.

I think Springs' comments are interesting. We, of course, don't know the context so we don't really know what's going on.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Turns out I found another section of the Book of Jason in my library:

The First Combat

Now after Jason was anointed by Joseph before all the people,
there came upon the marble city a plague of fish,
The first of the plagues.
The waters of the Patawomeke befouled with dark porpoises,
And from the heavens rained down fish upon the city.
Yeah, even the faithful of faithful were afflicted by one gripped by a devil,
Wearing a red coat, and crying,
"Repent, the fish shall slay the guardians of the city!"

And the people cried out, and said,
"Jason, deliver us from this evil,
For these fish stink!"

And lo, Jason drew forth a smoking arrow,
And shot it in the air, against the scaled and stinking horde.
But his bowstring broke as he drew it back,
The arrow tumbled out,
and the people cried out.
A monstrous fish rose up, plucked the arrow out of the air,
And hurled it back against the city's army, slaying many.

And then the people gnashed their teeth,
And the backbiters among them said,
"See, as we said, he is not the one to deliver us.
"Listen to us, and fear!"

Now Jason drew back his bow again, and fired a mighty arrow,
high in the sky, arching toward heaven.
But even this arrow a fish leapt up to seize
Before it could do harm.

And the people's murmurs grew, and some shut their eyes.

Yet though Jason toiled in vain, he remained calm,
And his army remained stalwart.
And each time the angry fish rushed upon Jason and his men,
A line of grim warriors stopped their assault,
Even pushing them back upon their own lines.

And so the battle lasted from the midday until the sun hung low,
The army of men and the army of beasts enmoiled in confusion.

Until at last, a third time Jason again drew back his bow,
Firing a missile that hung in the air,
The people checked in fear, with frozen eyes and slacken jaws.
And lo, one of Jason's own men, a merry giant, a captain of chaos,
Grasped the burning brand and thrust it further on against the foe.

The weary dolphins, pushed to the edge of the battlefield, fought on,
But when a mighty-footed warrior appeared,
Sean of the seven-league boots,
He launched a foot of mickle might,
A single kick that vanquished the grey horde, and sent them back to the river,
Swimming back to the sea,
Defeated.

So Jason, wounded but triumphant, won the first combat.


Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Nate, if you lose, sween is going to make you eat an entire Oreo pizza.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Yes, P Diddy, thank you for that. Not putting on my Deputy Fife hat just yet...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

farstriker, that is genius.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Skinz- On the last thread you criticize the Fed-Ex crowd for not being loud enough. Dude is was 90+ degrees in there and when the skins were on D it was rocking, the fins had to go on silent counts and had false starts, the whole nine.

Jack- You don't know squat about motion rules in the NIFFLe, you come in and make a bunch of statements and blog has to rise up and slap you down.

Refs- The crew was shakey, big time. Lot's of conferences trying to figure out what was going on, calling a penalty on John Riggins #44 (the number is retired). Taylor was offsides on the Jansen gumby ankle play, the Rogers interference pass was uncatchable, the lost goes on & on. No wonder Gibbs kicked on first down.

Posted by: DTC II | September 11, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

In fact, that is the post of the year.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Well done, farstriker!

I will note, however, that our Jason confusion might reach some kind of breaking point if this new Jason from LA ever joins the Skins beat.

If we could only come up with something other than "Soup" or "JC" for our heroic young QB...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

farstriker - Wow, we have a new Best Reader Post!!!

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Nate, this kind of story just begs for the symmetry of the three Jasons--the hero and the two bards. That'll be easy to work in.

If J3 ever makes an appearance.

He, J3! Do we have a nickname?

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Well, thanks, guys.

Wait until the Second Combat, a midnight expedition into the foul lair of the fierce carrion birds. . . .

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm in for J3.

farstriker, you deserve an Oreo pizza. On me.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

DTC, I re-read tomorrow's Springs article after seeing your post, and I just don't see how JLa is out of line with this.

Sure, I may defend him too much up here, and I am sort of a dope, so you can take anything I say with a grain of salt. But in this case I think he's honestly trying to get to the bottom of a real puzzle: why didn't our best corner start this game?

If Springs himself didn't agree with Gibbs' assessment of his readiness to play, and that assessment kept our best corner (one of the two or three most important dudes on the field) from starting, why shouldn't the freakin' beat reporter ask some questions about it?

All I want to know, and hopefully Jasno will keep tracking this, is whether Springs' very good effort and demonstrable health will move him ahead of Smoot for next Monday's game. We shall see...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Diddy, after seeing that ad with the bearded dad dripping oreo gore, and after reading your description yesterday of the thing itself,

thanks,

but I'll pass.

Someday a nice frosty one when we meet at the Super Bowl celebration, though. . . .

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Oreo pizza, I just slurped down an Oregon blackberry milkshake from local delight Burgerville, and I have to say it was not as good as I'd hoped it would be. Too sweet, much too sweet.

The change of seasons which will bring back the chocolate hazelnut shake can't get here soon enough for me...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

J3 works for me, but I wonder if the dude is ever even gonna show up. He could have walked from LA to DC by now.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Maybe he got stuck in Kansas City. Vastly underrated restaurants there.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

God, these two teams suck, suck, suck, suck.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Maybe J3 has blog-fright.

Night, gents and gals.

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid cited as one in a group of African-American writers who have recently left the LA Times... writing talent doesn't ONLY leave WashPo, of course...

http://www.maynardije.org/columns/dickprince/070906_prince/

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Good thing to see the announcers get the 4th quarter/2 minute fumble rule right...after the spotter tells them. Idiots.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

What a crazy little game.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Alex Smith forgot to say that he gave it "110%".

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Diddy I know your a fellow Ken Beatrice guy, everytime I hear that cliche I hera ole cranky ken going off..."Its impossible to give more than 100"

one of my faves!

Posted by: chris larry | September 11, 2007 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I hate to admit this, but I think the first thing I'm going to do when I get to DC is have an Oreo pizza.

There's no Domino's -- or any other chain of note, for that matter -- here on the Island and they simply refuse to deliver from America...

Posted by: MV Dame | September 11, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Dame, don't say I didn't warn you.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 1:57 AM | Report abuse

BTW, did we give Redcoat SJK for posting the video of the guy running through the drywall and then having a non-factor of a game yet?

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs' comments on Wade, Heyer and Springs.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=29049

Posted by: The Crickets | September 11, 2007 4:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | September 11, 2007 4:27 AM | Report abuse

I think this Springs thing have to do with double G and his damn ego. I can't wait for this guy to leave town.

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 6:00 AM | Report abuse

thongs

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 6:08 AM | Report abuse

Saunders:

No decision on who will start at RT. He said Heyer had a great preseaseon but never played RT, but looked good. He said Wade is coming off a shoulder injury.

Seems to me he wants Heyer to start.

Saunders is on the Heyer Bandwagon. I just brought my ticket to get on. Whose gonna join us?

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | September 11, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Coming through. Make room coming through. Where is my seat 4th?

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I didn't like the Sean Springs comment about how much he's making this season. Something about him gives me bad vibes. He seems like the type to write a "tell all" book when he leaves the Skins.

Posted by: sicwidit | September 11, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

This Springs stuff is pissing me off. Do the coaches think we're idiots? Do they think the media isn't going to go straight to Shawn and ask him if he's injured like the coaches are saying he is?

This is what's always bothered me with Gibbs II, and it's not their failure to sometimes keep the media and fans in the loop. It's their failure to keep the players in the loop. Springs was blind-sided by all of this. The internal communication on this team is pitiful, just like it was with Portis last year, just like it was with LaVar a few years ago, etc. It's embarrassing to run a team this way.

Springs doesn't deserve this and I hope the coaches aren't holding his failure to renegotiate his deal over his head. That is wrong, especially when you have guys like BLloyd roaming the field with more bonus money.

Why does there always have to be something fishy going on at Redskin Park. It drives me nuts.

No matter, we are 1-0 and I'm still ecstatic about Sunday... but this extra "stuff" is frustrating.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 11, 2007 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I bet double G has something to do with this. I really don't like that guy

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Man this Springs stuff just doesnt sound right...I'm getting tired of these personal vandetta's against players...The guy is healthy, he's your best CB by far and you play him at Nickel??? That's crazy. Springs needs to be on the field. I'm not gonna hate on Springs' comment about the type of salary he's getting for playing Nickel...I would feel the same way too. Play little and get paid like that...He can save his body for another big contract next year when he's gone...At heart, he's a Cowboy anyways...but our best CB...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Probably alone on this--but don't we give the coaches the benefit of the doubt? We can all speculate, but none of us really knows what the coaches see. The practices are closed so we don't know how Springs is performing.

I think, at the heart of it all, Gibbs is a pretty straight forward guy. He won't talk about stuff he doesn't want to talk about, but I don't think he's a liar. I don't think he would say Springs is less than 100% if he didn't think he was.

To put it another way: Do any of you really believe that Gibbs would hold Springs back if he knew it would not be the best thing for the team? Do you think Springs contract negotiation is more important to Gibbs and Grilliams than a W? I don't.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | September 11, 2007 8:33 AM | Report abuse

NY,

I hear you. However, it seems that other teams - like when LaVar wasn't playing - have a game plan to notice where Springs is and not play that side of the field.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Springs contract negotiation is more important to Gibbs and Grilliams than a W? I don't.

Gibbs no. Griliams yes.

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

jm220--please say more...I don't agree with you, but would like to hear why you think so.

Grilliams has been accused of many things, but I've never thought of him as someone who would put money or personal issues ahead of putting the best defense on the field. We all loved watching Lavar--I certainly did, but he missed more than he came through.

I don't know the specifics on Springs, but again--what is the motivation for holding him back if it's not because he's not 100%?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | September 11, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

For once, I don't blame the organization. First, where does it say a coach has to go to a player and sit down with him and explain his rationale for a decision. IT"S FREAKING GAMEDAY!!! They made a call and they don't have time to hold freakin multi-million dollar premadonna's hands before a game. Springs is a big boy.

Secondly, I don't care for Shawn Springs in the least. I still think it was him that was the snitch to ESPN last year. It couldn't have been Arch b/c if you read it the player mentioned things that happened in previous years.

Plus, he made the call not to treat the coaches with respect in the offseason by not returning phone calls and not showing up to minicamp and OTA's. So if you don't have the decency to respect the team, then don't expect the same back.

Lastly, he hasn't played since 2005. He's always hurt. In all honesty, I'd cut his a** right now. For those that say he's an elite corner, when was the last time he showed that?

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 11, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Bang,

Teams don't gameplan not to throw to Springs side b/c he's great. They do it b/c going into that game they feel he's the best corner in their secondary and it makes more sense to throw at the #2 on any team than their #1.

Teams do that each week against EVERY team, not just Springs. If it was announced earlier in the week Springs wasn't starting, they would have gameplanned for the better in their opinion of Rogers and Smoot. Maybe this explains why the coaches waited until Sunday to make it known to anyone!

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 11, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

TG10,

I never said Springs was elite. But I do think he is heads and shoulders better than Rogers and Smoot. And other teams will look at tape and make that same conclusion. Even after this week's game.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams has to much power, and than Gibbs has to go out and cover for and sound like an azz...when does this really happen to offensive players? The portis thing was smoke and mirrors and gibbs/portis have a relationship.

This is on the D side, and its manboobs. RB is right why do they create issue where none exist?! This is so Lavar. And to the detriment of the team. It was no shock that when Lavar finally played the defense shot up in the rankings and the playoff run began. Not to mention his play in the playoff game.

The not "zipping around" at practice its all hogwarsh! This is again the my way or the highway Double G way of doing buisness. The dude has upsides but his ego and people skillz are out of whack. Its like a script is being followed!

Quadruple ugh...

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 11, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Concur with CL.

Posted by: bangkokben | September 11, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"They made a call and they don't have time to hold freakin multi-million dollar premadonna's hands before a game. Springs is a big boy."

Umm CP anyone?

Secondly Springs came in ready to play. Last year he felt like they didn't treat his previous years injury right in the offseason which is why he worked out on his own this years offseason.

He showed up in shape and wouldn't accept a paycut. He has always had injury problems and they signed him know that. Caveat Emptor

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

knowing that.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

TheGuru10, Springs is NOT always hurt! He was hurt last year - but played very well for us until last season. And if I remember correctly, the Skins organization were the ones pushing the surgery he had during preseason. He did return calls and met with them during the summer. They basically treated him like crap but he has been very respectful and said he realizes this is a business. Also, he was not told he was playing nickel until Sunday.

Not playing our best corner is a travesty -especially since Smoot and Rogers were not shaking anyone's core.

Posted by: Lisa | September 11, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I couldn't agree more with your word choice. Travesty is 100% correct.

We were very close to losing the ball game on Sunday, and choosing not to play your best cover corner, for unknown reasons, when he's 100% healthy, is not only a travesty, but it's completely idiotic.

This lack of communication has to stop. One other name I forget to mention is Archbingus, who went through the same treatment last year It's one thing to treat an under-performing player this way, but to do it to your Pro Bowl caliber CB is unforgiveable to the player, the team, and this city, who all could've very easily been sitting at 0-1 this week thanks to this decision.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 11, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Hypothetical,

If you knew your best corner was history next year and you thought you were in a somewhat manageable homegame, would you see what your other corners look like in game conditions on the field together to determine if you have to spend a first rounder on the position again next year? Maybe...or maybe they really want to save Springs and Macklin for later in the year. Platooning that position is not unheard of.

Maybe Springs has been goofing off in practice and not being a veteran influence. Can speculate all day..he played, they used him how thye wanted, none of the DB's got hurt, they won.

Posted by: DTC | September 11, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Jm220, this clip of the All Blacks is cool too...close-ups of the players faces...

http://www.allblacks.com/?play=1

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 11, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"were not shaking anyone's core"

Um great new saying...I am adopting this in all phases of my life!

Here I hope Janso brings the heat, this needs parsing out. And people who gripe about him digging into this story....thats what beat reporters do...go at it bro!

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 11, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

DTC,

I understand your point, but I just don't think that is what's going on here.

For starters, when has THIS team thought about the "next year"? This has ALWAYS been a win now team, especially when you're sitting at 0-0 on opening day. The only way that logic would make sense to me is if we were 4-9 and out of the playoff race, and that's clearly not the case.

Second, if Springs was "goofing off" in practice or being disciplined, why not have the balls to tell him so? I re-watched the post game show yesterday and Springs was clueless to the reason for his lack of PT.

An open line of communication is so important, and the Skins have shown time and time again that they just don't get that... even with Gibby at the helm.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 11, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Also Springs gone after this year regardless of anything so just play him!

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 11, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

jm220: Early Ramadan Mubarak

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

A moment of silence on this worst of anniversaries...

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 11, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

Agree 100%. I think we all know Springs will be on the way out next year, especially since he appears unwilling to restructure. But to simply not play your best corner, on opening day, because of that fact is bingus.

Players come and go every year. You have to use the guys you have and worry about next year, well, next year... especially when the guy you're sitting is your best corner and has the highest cap hit.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 11, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Farstriker, I believe your analysis is basically correct and unfortunately this kind of analysis is just not Joe's strong suit. He has many strong suits. The Football Outsiders rated a Gibbs call I believe as the worst decision of 2006. I remember it well because I rarely second guess coaches but this analysis (at the time) seemed fairly easy and I was screaming in agony at the tv over the decision.

It was late in the 16-10 win over the Saints. We were up 13-10 with about 4 minutes left and had the ball on about the Saints 2 with a 4th and 1.

Now run the probabilities of the two differen options here.

1) On the one hand, if we go for it there is a greater than 50% chance we make the yard and basically cement the game. Alternatively, if we get stopped, the Saints now have to drive about 68 yards to our 30 to be in real makeable field goal range.

2) On the other hand, if we kick the field goal (which we did), even if we make it (say 95% probability) we still have to kick off and they will return the ball to about their own 30 or so (we had been short on our kicks all day and frankly have not had a touchback kicker in awhile so 30 seems reasonable). The Saints actually returned the ball to about the 35 or so. In any event, even assuming the 30, they now have to go 70 yards but if they do they get the 17-16 win!

So, in other words, even failure on option one was as good or better than success on option 2. Failure on option one meant thet had to 68 yards to tie. Success on option two meant they had to go 70 yards to win. Yet, we chose option 2. It was a wierd scenario for sure being so deep in their territory but kicking us a fieldgoal did us no good. And I got no sense after the game that Gibbs had run these scenarios in his head.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Springs is not a "goof off" kind of guy..he always brings it on the field and in practice as well. He and Williams seem to get along so this really baffles me.

Also, if I remember correctly, he was open to restructuring his contract (he has done that for the team before) but not open to taking a pay cut. After what happened to Kevin Everett on Sunday, it is understandable for players to refuse to take a pay cut. NFL teams have very little loyalty to them but seem to expect their loyalty at all costs.

Posted by: Lisa | September 11, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Can we take time out to honor the front office of the Ravens for putting together such a stellar offensive line. Bravo gentlemen!

Posted by: chrIr LaRry | September 11, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Take the field goal.

Desperation moves are the signs of desperate coaches... and very ... Dallasy.

Take the field goal.

I thought Springs had a little injury scare in pre-season. I'm for sitting him for use later in season. I was also for sitting Portis in the preseason. So far that worked out pretty well.

The talking heads play too much fantasy ball and are all about stats. I like the final score stat.

Game Ball, Shorty.

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

To put it another way: Do any of you really believe that Gibbs would hold Springs back if he knew it would not be the best thing for the team? Do you think Springs contract negotiation is more important to Gibbs and Grilliams than a W? I don't.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | September 11, 2007 08:33 AM
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Would he hold Springs back if he knew it was best for the team if "Mr" Snyder wanted him to? The contract negotiation might not be more important than a W for St. Joe and Grilliams, but would it be more important for "Mr" Snyder?

I'm trying to believe there's a reasonable explanation for why Springs didn't start, and stated as much yesterday. But, after observing the organization's need to put a player in the doghouse over the past several years, this situation is beginning to have the same funky scent.

I would contend, though, that if that's the case, it's probably due to an order from Mr. Snyder rather than the coaches. I mean think about it. You're an owner who isn't shy about participating in how your team is run on the field. Would you really allow your coaches to leave a player who's one of your greatest difference makers on the sideline? If I was the owner and my best corner is sitting on the bench, I'm digging into somebody's a$s at the first opportunity to find out what the hell is going and get everyone on the same page.

I don't know. Hopefully, everyone is overreacting. But, with Snyder, you never know.

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Springs has to play. He made the head's up play to recover that Miami fumble. He had a few good hits that I recall. You never see him give too much cushion like Rogers and Smoot.

If this is a coach's vendetta, then this team is dysfunctional and will not succeed. I only hope that is not the case, especially in light of the 1-0 start. We need the positive vibes flowing as we go into Philly. Start Springs!

Neither Springs (nor Walt Harris for that matter) would have dropped that pick that Smoot did.

Posted by: Hershey Skins | September 11, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I personally feel that there are two reasons he played the nickle.

1. Grilliams hubris.
2. Secondly because he always gets hurt they want to save him for the big games against big recievers.

At least I'm hoping.

If JLa is out there, i'd like to know why Monty started over Golston. Even though I know the answer is that "we have three starters"

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The Springs's situation is worth watching but he had achilles tenditinits in the pre-season (a nagging injury). It strikes me as quite possible that he appears to the coaches as a little slower, not quite trusting the achilles on quick cuts and coming off the backpedal (and thus they are trying to go easy) while Springs himself feels he is fine because he has gotten use to it.

Whether Springs was the Mole or not, I know directly that the Skins organization believes he was the Mole. So the bad blood between the two sides threatens to blow open what should be a small thing.

Springs is our best corner and I wish to see him worked in more next week. I would also like to see him around for all 16 games. That threesome at corner will do well if they all stay healthy.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Smoot just needs to remember how to play Pro ball after that 'vacation cruise' in the great lakes.

He'll be ok.

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Lisa - Get off my jock. You have absolutely no factual evidence to back up any of your comments. Stop sweating me.

Posted by: Shawn Springs | September 11, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

James - how do you know that the skin's think springs was the mole??

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

That was funny JM

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

If they think he's The Mole, and they're still angry about it, they should have let him go during the off-season. If they feel that way and decided to keep him anyway, they need to f'n suck it up and get over it.

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

JamesTuthill, I remember that game, and I remember likewise being amazed. Calling a run seemed like a no-brainer.

(Actually I felt that way about the Ravens' drive last night--with a different QB in, and with the time remaining, run, run, run)

This raises a general point: how many teams systematically play every angle, maximize every percentage--in terms of clock management, field position management, possession management.

Just from a fan's casual impression, I seem to see a lot of what I consider sub-optimal decision-making.

Posted by: farstriker | September 11, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Re the mole question, maybe this isn't direct but this is what I know. A network employee (I shall say no more about identity) told me the game after the story really blew up (not the Panthers game but the Falcons game where Springs mysteriously was a late scratch) that up at Redskins park that week the Skins organization was saying privately that it was Springs. The network employee did not know if it was Springs but said everyone in the organization was saying it was Springs.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Sean was Foreskin. I think it was Bingus.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Fair enough, JT.

That's pretty low, though, a perennially injured old man flamin on the coaches like that. Tell that kinda stuff to your therapist, not a reporter. lmgo

Say - so is Lorenzen, the Pilsbury Throwboy (thx NATE!) going to be the starter in NYC? Schwweeeet!

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

JustMe,

I couldn't agree more. If they seriously think he's the mole, and couldn't look past it, then they should have dumped him or traded him in the off-season. But maybe they're going to hold him hostage, ala LaVar.

I could care less if Springs was the mole. Obviously I'm not at Redskin Park every day, but it was a real eye opener to the bingus that goes on over there. That information needed to come out...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | September 11, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

who the heck is Bingus?!

I thot it was 'Deep Choke' ChupaTetas

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Springs was probably the mole and they know it. He's a good corner, but he can be a real SJK sometimes I think. He had every right to refuse to rework his deal or take a pay cut, but the Redskins also had every right to ask him without him being all offended and dropping out of communication for most of the offseason. And the stuff he said to the effect of "with the money I'm making I don't care how much they play me" is clearly designed to anger the coaches and is just immature and unprofessional. Gibbs was probably trying to smooth it over by saying they were concerned about his health and he didn't deserve to have Springs call him out.

Springs needs to be reminded that this team (and Gibbs) gave him a chance a lot of others wouldn't. Before coming here he was known as an above average corner (not an elite shutdown guy) who had horrible injury issues. His rep has improved tremendously in Williams system, although he is still made of glass. He and Williams both need to grow up a little. Time to beat the buzzards.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 11, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Dik,

I am not positive it is Springs (though I tend to think it is). I am just saying I am pretty sure that the Redskins believe it was Springs and that lends context to the current dispute.

I also believe that the Skins sat him down that Falcons game as a punishment. He played beautifully the week before against Steve Smith and the Panthers and he would play the week after against the Eagles.

The reason I believe it has not been reported is because all the journalists know who the source is (heck Dexter Manley and Bram Weinstein admitted on the radio they knew who the source was based on coversations with the reporter and they would not divulge) so I am sure Jason and the Washington Post and everyone else did. So the news media cannot run a story about the punishment without in some way revealing that Springs was the source.

I hate to think Springs was the mole because I like him a lot. But it sure seems like he was.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, JT.

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Bingus is short for "Archibingus" which is the Nom de guer of Adam Archiletta who played briefly for the skins in '06 before being relegated to special teams.

It is generally considered by most historians to be the worst signing of the Gibbs "fudge'ems" stage of his tenure as GM and team president.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is the entire D played much better this past Sunday, even without Springs starting. This is unequivocally good news, though of course it's not shrouded in uncertainty because of Springs... because of course we can't do anything the easy way!

Doing my best to put a positive spin on this, trying to buy Gibbs' line that they're trying to take it easy on the fragile old corner, be precautionary as he continues to work back to 100% or whatever Gibbs claimed.

So my question is no longer why Springs didn't start in week one (obviously we're never going to get a 'straight story' that we all agree on) but whether he will start in week two, because when he was in the game I believe he demonstrated that he's our best CB and that he's healthy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Just lost a lotta respect for Coach G after that load of horsecrap he provided for 24's situation. Is it really Double G's call on this, or is it the marching orders from the vindictive, rich lil SOB that calls the shots? THINK ABOUT IT. His ill-advised pettiness hurts his TEAM, his PLAYERS, and his COACHES. Oh yeah, not to mention US ... THE FANS, who ultimately grease his $KID$. This kind of crap will only destroy loyalty ALL THE WAY AROUND. Someone save this team, and us, from this world-class fool.

Posted by: Ghostrider | September 11, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

How does this Springs thing play out for the season? Does he continue to play nickel? Do the coaches relent and start their best cover CB? Will the team compromise its desire to win by placing a higher priority on playing mind games with an alleged mole than fielding its best team? Interesting stuff for a successful week one. I say put the egos aside and play the best team you have. Gibbs wants to win so bad that he can't even watch field goals anymore. I can't believe that he would tolerate these mind games.

Posted by: Hershey Skins | September 11, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

True, Nate. One thing is for sure. All eyes will be on them next Monday, and now they know it. So, we'll see what happens.

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe everything you hear on the air but Dexter Manley was on with Bram late last year and Dexter said that the reporter who wrote the story (whose name escapes me) left a message for Dexter on Dexter's cell phone shortly before Dexter was to go on the air. Dexter was saying that he was sure the reporter was calling simply to remind him not to divulge the identity of the source/mole. Apparently, Dexter knows whose the source/mole is because he knows that the source sat down for a long interview with the reporter shortly before the story broke. In any event, Dexter is a little loopy at this point and I was actually hoping he would slip up and say who it was. He didn't. But at one point, he did flatly say it is not Archuletta. And given Dexter's delivery and his overall mindset, I am pretty sure he was not being clever trying to throw people off the scent.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And what about... Naomi?!

"Life of Chair"


Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Since we're talking about Gibbs' bizarre decision to attempt a 40-yard FG on first down, it's a good opportunity to remind ourselves that Cam Cameron made a very gutsy decision at the end of the first half, when (after mis-managing the clock) he had time to run only one play from inside our five, and he decided to go for it instead of kicking the gimme FG.

I think 19 out of 20 head coaches kick in that position. But his offense had marched down the field, and he wanted to really capitalize on that momentum going into halftime. And it paid off, of course. Way to go, Cam (easier to say that since we went on to win).

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Was anyone following this scenario during the game? First, the announcers questioned why he wasn't in the game as if he were injured. Then, he was back in the nickle package. Later, when he made the big hit on Chatman and teammates wanted to celebrate, Springs wouldn't join the fun. Then, after the game, he sat on Comcast with a gigantic smile and played stupid as to why he wasn't playing but alluded to only finding out that morning.

There is some ugly stuff happening in that locker room and it doesn't bode well for our defense...especially if we're going to rely on Rogers and Smoot.

I just wonder if the Springs/Skins bit is a microcosm of what's happening on that side of the ball in the locker room. I'd bet Rogers feels the same way and it wouldn't surprise me if Taylor did too.

I hate to stoke the fire but this is troubling.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | September 11, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't it seem odd that anyone would pick Dexter Manley as a confidante? Like, this is the guy you entrust with a state secret?

Sounds like a Cedric the Entertainer movie plot. Let's get going on that, Hollywood.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

90,910

Posted by: MV Dame | September 11, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Man, with my salary this year I'm not trippin,' " he said.

gotta love that attitude from your supposed #1 corner. I gotta say though, I don't get it, is this just another case of Gibbs/Williams being stubborn/stupid. (Arrington)

A $5 million nickle back is kinda dumb, if that's all he is for us we should trade him now and use Macklin there.

Posted by: Jack | September 11, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Cedric the Entertainer as Dexter Manley?! bwaaaahahahahaha! I'm laughin already.

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

One other thing, for whatever it's worth. I frankly don't care if these players are "happy." They are grown men and are getting paid to do jobs, and before anything else I want them to do their jobs well.

Yeah, sure, it would be nice as a bonus for them to be all happy-sunshine-and-flowers, but all I really care about is their recapturing the core-shaking mojo which was the best part of our team for almost two seasons (04, 05) and went away last year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

But Nate you play to my hate....why is this happening...Just like the Lavar year the team seems together, playing hard, good mix...why have top down drama by these ego maniac defensive coaches?!?! Remember the h e double hockey sticks that followed every game of the Lavar playoff year "why didnt he play, why arent you getting sacks, lavar why didnt you play, why is the defense struggling, what happening at practice" its a cancer that comes from the coaches office!!!!!!

This happens every year, that makes it a trend. Both the lavar year and now the hole in the defense without the player is obvious.

You know me, I am a call em like I see'em guy and I love being positive....but this stinks like the seattle fish market during a heat wave....

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 11, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

Springs didn't express any disappointment that he did not start even though he had started all but six games when healthy in his previous 10 seasons. Williams started Fred Smoot and Carlos Rogers and used the more physical Springs in the slot in passing situations

"I come in nickel, make my couple of plays and call it a day," Springs said. "If that gives the team the best chance to win, then I'm cool with it. Me, Smoot and Carlos have a great relationship. If they're starting and I'm the nickel, it's fine with me."

Instead of going on pure-speculation, lets take a look at what SPRINGS ACTUALLY SAID.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 11, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

It may or may not have been a good call ultimately but I feel it was terrible clock managment.

Why didn't he call time out after first down with less than a minute go to? I was cheering it all the while from my seats but it was crazy. The Dolphins had two timeouts and needed to call timeout to utilize all four downs if they needed them. The Dolphins let 32 seconds elapse between first and second down and then ended up with 3rd and 1 from the 1 with 4 seconds left. Had they called timeout after first down, they could have used all four downs and gone for the touchdown on third down and then kicked the field goal on fourth if they did not get it. Cameron put himself in that bind:

1st and 2 at WAS 2 (:42) J.Chatman left tackle to WAS 2 for no gain (P.Prioleau).

2nd and 2 at WAS 2 (:10) J.Chatman up the middle to WAS 1 for 1 yard (C.Griffin, R.McIntosh).

Timeout #2 by MIA at 00:04.

3rd and 1 at WAS 1 (:04) T.Green pass short middle to J.Peelle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | September 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | September 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Yup, it sure stinks bad CL. If I were Snyder I'd demand this gets settled by Monday's game. If this is a one game deal, fine, it's over. If it lingers, something has to be done. Just remember, we also have a highly touted d-line coach who's more than capable of taking over the D if necessary. I'm just saying...

Actually, if I were Snyder I'd have a strong GM who has the autonomy to handle this himself...but I digress.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | September 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The deep cover writer was Tom Friend, and he is close with Dexter b/c he ghost wrote Dexter;s book "Being Dexte" which is an amazing book that I have read twice...

Friend was an 80's beat writer for skins. I really like him as a writer although I think that some of the Janso critism of the deep cover piece are valid.

Posted by: chriS Larry | September 11, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What does Springs feel that Rogers and Taylor may feel GHF? Sorry I got lost there?

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Hakka stinks. No one cares. All blacks are overrated.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Hakka stinks. No one cares. All blacks are overrated.

Posted by: | September 11, 2007 10:59 AM

Not Will Smith

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

All starting CBs who have lost a step are relegated to the nickelback, even Darrell Green.

Unless you have watched all of the practice film on Springs viz a viz Rogers and Smoot, you are just speculating that he is the best of the 3. This is 2007, not 2005.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 11, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

All starting CBs who have lost a step are relegated to the nickelback, even Darrell Green.

Unless you have watched all of the practice film on Springs viz a viz Rogers and Smoot, you are just speculating that he is the best of the 3. This is 2007, not 2005.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | September 11, 2007 11:09 AM

Perfectly said. You guys are making a mountain out of a grain of sand. Besides, I remember reading a few weeks ago that they planned on using Springs more in the nickel because he's the better tackler.

Posted by: bigfish | September 11, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yo, yo, yo, yo. Very happy about this win. Very happy. After watching the late Monday Night Football game last night (stayed up til 1:44) I am so relieved we are not as bad as the Cardinals and the 49ers...I don't care what the records are in the end, that I'm sure of. Those two teams are horrible, absolutely horrible.

Anyway, back to the Skins. I have always been a believer in the win first, get tight later philosophy and from looking at this team, it seems like a possibility that we may be able to get good, whereas last year, you never got that feeling.

Don't be confused by Philly losing early, that team is nasty. And to me, it's the o-line and d-line that makes them so good. That is what always worries me when we play them. I like Campbell. He has so many flaws in his game right now, but he gives you that feeling that you're always in the game if he's the quarterback, something we have been missing for a looooong time.

The Jansen thing is sad but I will say this. Myself and ArtMonktotheSticks said this to each other during the pre-season: he looked like the worst Redskin on the team. Seriously. I think the injuries caught up to him and he simply was getting beat all the time. I LOVE Jansen. He's a leader and a steady force, one of those guys that will be a league spokesperson for years. He also had to put up with some horrendous Skins teams. But I think people think he's good just because he's been playing for so long. I think he has been declining for some time now. You will see how much better we are with Wade and Heyer.

What is this Springs nonsense? I swear to God, the Redskins never fail to give us a real damn headscratcher every season. What is up? They just find ways to make everything weird. I thought Springs played phenomenal and he jumped all over that loose ball. Smoot looked like a hooker out there.

Taylor was bored because no one throws to him now. Rocky Mcintosh is a lock for the probowl unless there are just too many linebackers in the NFC...but he is a monster.

Can someone give me a LaVar update? Please.

Posted by: The Governor | September 11, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Nate - All Blacks refer to the rugby team

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | September 11, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

11:04 AM post was not me. Which is not cool.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If Springs really said that with his slaray this yer, hes not 'trippin' then we have a problem.

That sounds like a guy who cares about his salary, not playing, which is Anti_Springs if you ask me.

Jasno, get some more scoop on this please!

Posted by: Zebra | September 11, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

We are dividing into two camps on Springs. We will have to see it play out, but if you ain't nervous you ain't watchin!

No soap operas please!

Posted by: Chris Larry | September 11, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

James Tuthill, I made reference to Cam's clock mismanagement in my comment. I should have stressed that especially after a clock bungle like that, you'd expect the coach to kick the gimme FG and then hustle off to the locker room for halftime, hoping nobody notices. That's what almost any HC in the league would have done! Instead Cameron made a very gutsy call, and it paid off. That was the point I was struggling to make.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Are y'all still talking about Springs? Let's move on.

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Again, I'm not interested in the soap opera part of the story because we're never gonna get any "truth" out of anybody, so why waste our time on it.

I just want to believe that our coaches are honestly putting our best 11 (eleven) on the field, every down.

And whatever doubts about his playing condition Gibbs claims the coaches had before the game, from where I was watching Springs looked awfully good out there. I say he "won back" a starting spot over Smoot. But we shall see...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

4th, couldn't agree more. Lets not make this into something it is not.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 11, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think what Springs was trying to say was, "I'm making 5 mil either way. If you don't want to play me, it's your loss."

Very passive-aggressive. Hopefully, this is just a blip. I'm going to believe that for now.

Posted by: etrod | September 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Gov reminded me of something i thought last night. The more I watch other teams play, the better I feel about the skins.

I missed most of Sundays early games by being at the game but I haven't seen a team other than the Pats and Colts that look demonstrably better than the skins.

49ers or Cards? No. Saints? No. Dallas and Gmen? Defense def no. Girls O looked good.

Philly looked like the team that couldn't shoot straight. Bears had no offense.

We got a shot folks.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

LaVar was on the sidelines of the ND/PSU game. He looked a bit beat up but was smiling nonetheless...

Posted by: MV Dame | September 11, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

sounds like to me the springs thing is more of a blog thing at this point than a real thing..... we will be fine without jansen..... the Gov is right about philly .... my repeated theme for this season i like WAY we play and we will go as far as this offense will take us....springs starting or springs nickel....the D will be fine

Posted by: Old School | September 11, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Coach Joe Gibbs said that during practice last week the coaches thought that Springs was not as explosive as normal, not quite 100 percent

There! that's the reason he didn't play. F double G and his friggin ego. he's p'ed off cuz shawn springs held back in practice.

CLINTON PORTIS DIDN'T PLAY THE WHOLE FRIGGIN PRE-SEASON OR PRACTICE!!!

WTF!!!!!! and this is lavar 2 people. except there are NO shawn springs doubters. everyone knows he's the best they got.

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

awesome work jason! for those hatin on that piece. there were no anonymous sources. those were all facts and direct quotes.

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow...lots of drama here...can you imagine what this blog would be like if we lost?

There's no consiracy against Springs. None of you are coaches and therefore qualified to report on Spring's health.

Gibbs/Williams/and yes, Snyder--all want the Skins to win. That's it. They won. It's done.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | September 11, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Any word on the receiver front? Hopefully they're working the phones frantically now that veteran's salaries are not guaranteed for the year.

Posted by: etrod | September 11, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

if all the coaches want is "win" how come lavar wasn't playing 2 seasons ago and how come rocky wasn't playing last year? over warrick holdman?

btw, with all this optimism and even LH predicting 6-0 are you guys jumping on the bandwagon of 14-2? ;)

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I think when it is all said and done. All fo you will be on my side of saying double g sjk needs to go. He puts his damn ego before the team.

Posted by: jm220 | September 11, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

An away, Division game against a team seriously smarting after a loss should tell us all what we want to know about this team. If the 'Skins can win on the road, then we actually may have something to be excited about.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

All of you guys are speculating big time on what could be the real deal behind Springs not starting. There is no way they don't start Springs if they think he's 100% and the best CB on the team... REGARDLESS! You trying too hard to make a mountain out of an anthill!

GW has said it himself that they're a better DEF with Springs on the field.

This crap about him being the mole... Just because Dexter knows doesn't mean he knows its Springs... How did we make that stretch. just let it go... That is so over with...

Posted by: E in VB | September 11, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

My final comment on Springs statement - he said it laughingly - tongue in cheek - heard him make the same statement last season....while laughing.

Posted by: Lisa | September 11, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Why is Landry starting safety on day 1?

I don't know. But, I trust the coaches to make those decisions because the coaches are paid to win games.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | September 11, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

but if you ain't nervous you ain't watchin!

well said cL!!! cuz i'm friggin nervous. we got a shot at the superbowl this year and i don't want no one's ego messin this up!

when your radio station has enough SEASON tickets to GIVE AWAY EVERYDAY (STILL) then DAnny, THAT is a bad sign...

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking about Lavar?

Why are we still doing revisionist history on something from 2 years ago?

Can we start a side-bar on Pierce and Clark, too, just for kicks?

Springs himself, said that he was FINE with not starting, and that if he's the nickel corner, its fine with him.

BUT NOOOOOOO...people want to take what came out of Springs mouth, and make drama....un-f-ing-believable.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | September 11, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Lavar was good but he did not want to play within the system. All he wanted to do was roam freely and not be responsible for any one gap. Where's Lavar at now anyway? How did that work out for the Jints?

Rocky Mac was simply learning last year, his first in the league. Most likely he was not ready. There was a reason why he was the hardest worker behind Soup in the off season.

Posted by: bigfish | September 11, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Man Boobs GWilliams is an egotistical idiot. Amazing sense of self-worth for one of the worst head coaches ever.

Posted by: DJ in Bowie | September 11, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"if all the coaches want is "win" how come lavar wasn't playing 2 seasons ago and how come rocky wasn't playing last year? over warrick holdman?"

Does any really still need to answer about Lavar!?!? He didn't start because he just wasn't that good on a consistant basis.

As for Rocky, I'd guess that he just wasn't ready. Better to wait for Rocky to be ready then to have his growth stunted by playing on our poor defense last year.

Posted by: jonnie5 | September 11, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Funny quote from that article: "[Campbell] has an arm as strong as Donovan McNabb's"

Maybe McNabb from 5 years ago...

Posted by: P Diddy | September 11, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Kicking on 1st Down:

Ok - I did a little research. And in '05 the kicking rules were such that you wouldn't loose the ball if you missed the kick. In otherwords, Swishy would have had 4 chances to make the game ending field goal.

http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2005/1/10/0121/83509

Can anyone confirm if the rule still holds?

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Diddy,

I also thought it was hilarious how they followed that with, "But he is young..." Just go ahead and call McNabb old and washed up, why don't you? LMGO

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Number 5 is Alive!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

OMG.

Talking about Lavar Arrington in anything other than present tense shoud be SJK'ing ITA material.

Let it go.

Posted by: etrod | September 11, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

You guys can wish this away all you want but I don't think it's that easy. I just don't see anyone (other than Campbell and maybe Cooley) who loves playing for this franchise.

Sure they get stoked about winning, playing some games and getting paid but there's a deeper problem here and all you have to do is watch some of these guys get interviewed to understand. Portis is on the list of people who acts like he doesn't want to be here too.

Admittedly, when Portis and Springs play they do so with heart and at a level above anyone else on the team. Maybe this is a blog issue but it's one I'll be watching very closely.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | September 11, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey etrod, it's the only jersey I got!

.."I've got nowhere else ta go!"...

..tear :`-[

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I think what Springs was trying to say was, "I'm making 5 mil either way. If you don't want to play me, it's your loss."

You guys are right. Sadly, he's the best we got. He knows it, and instead of being humble, he opens his mouth and reveals his true self. Selfish, arrogant, and a snitch to boot, is hardly worth 5 million.

I can't wait until next year, when we can get this charlatan and his little workout buddy Lloyd, Brandon out of here.

These dudes are the antithesis of core Redskins.

Posted by: k Squared | September 11, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

so jonnie5, why did they have to fire dale lindsay?

mcnaab never had an arm like JC's. btw, mcnaab looks like the right handed version of giants new qb now

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

As long as the ball is actually NOT kicked on any down, you have the chance to continue on the following down from the new spot of the last play (fake kick, bothched snap, etc...)

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

OMG.

Talking about Lavar Arrington in anything other than present tense shoud be SJK'ing ITA material.

Let it go.

Posted by: etrod | September 11, 2007 11:54 AM

Amen!
The great Lavar is now merely a fan of football.

Posted by: jonnie5 | September 11, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I want your DOR! LMGO Damn you went old school with that one Dik

Posted by: JM220 | September 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Do you see anyone in the nfl loving where they play?... aside from Bret Farvre?

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Giants, I can't wait for our boys to get at the Hefty Lefty. LOL It should be sheer comedy watching our DEs and linebackers chase his chunky butt all over the field. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Number 5 is Alive!

Posted by: | September 11, 2007 11:53 AM

"No dissasemble Number 5"! :)

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm drinking the koolaide and jumping on the 14-2 bandwagon. Because until I get thrown off, it sure is a fun ride. Why don't you naysayers enjoy youselves a while. There's nothing wrong with dreaming. Stop worrying about Springs and have fun. If the season crashes and burns, then we can have fun picking things apart.

Posted by: DC | September 11, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

new post

Posted by: JustMe | September 11, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not predicting 6-0. I'm just saying it's a real possibility given the schedule and the opponents' injuries and other woes. Of course with the caveat that Skins remain relatively healthy at key positions.

Posted by: LH | September 11, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

i can't belee some of you are turning on springs! just like lavar.

the only guy who had the brains to mess up their little PR machine was LC. LC was a core guy rember just like springs and just like lavar. who said gimme my plasma and let me get the F out of here you freaks!

please explain to me why a competent, competitive athlete would not feel INSULTED by being slapped across the face by being benched INFRONT OF ROGERS??!!!

you don't think he was hurt? and he said the only thing he could say. "i aint trippin cuz i'm gettin paid either way"

if the people interviewing springs (chic hernandez, ray brown two of the most beloved heads in this town) are saying "springs was being classy" by laughing it off. then who are you going to believe?

Posted by: dealer | September 11, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

It all sounds very similar to the Lavar thing to me....."He's hurt"...."I'm not hurt"......"He's a step slow"......"I feel the best I've felt in years"......


Frankly, I don't care about the feelings of the players, they are employees, spoiled rotten but employees nonetheless....However, I do care about the ego of a couching staff/president of football operations that seems to make decisions more often than not out of stubbornness and a seeming desire to prove everyone else wrong. (Arrington, Wade, Clark, D-Line, FA vs. Draft) Which they rarely do. If Springs is the best corner fine, than trade or cut him and take the hit this year and have his space next year when he was going to be here anyway, we don't need a $5 million dollar nickel back and if he's healthy and we're doing this because of some story that Springs might be the source for, that's just stupid.

Posted by: Jack | September 11, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Got in late yesterday, so didn't have a chance to comment on things until today. Most of the points have already been hashed over, so I guess I'll just try to keep it short(er).

First, the Jansen injury was just gut-wincing. When I looked really close at some of the posted pictures, it was hard not to get that little bit of acid aftertaste in the throat. Anything that severe just had to hurt. Thoughts to him, and to Everett up in Buffalo, too.

Thankfully, that said, Heyer seems to be gradually stepping up his game. We wouldn't have had much of a chance on Sunday, with no right tackle of note in any sort of playable condition to take the slack up. Heyer put out a solid effort to shore up the line, and though he wasn't perfect, I don't think we had any better players on the bench that could have done the job he did, especially against Jason Taylor. Now, we can come in knowing that we have a veteran tackle back in his natural position as well as a slightly seasoned, if still a bit raw rookie, with Kendall ending The Guard Experiment. It's a decent situation to be in, now. The Kendall trade is almost looking rather brilliant and intelligent.

(Oh, and if I ever hear Dan Dierdorf say the words "Defensive Player Of The Year" and "Jason Taylor" within two sentences of each other, I will just go and rip his head off, Wolvie-berzerk style. Good grief - it was like hearing John McEnroe gushing about Pete Sampras through every U.S. Open, again.)

The Redskins Cornerbacks, or 'Dropback Freds', all of them. - Maybe I'm spoiled, after watching Darrell Green's 'stick closer than tape' style of coverage, but the deep dropbacks by the CBs are just a bit unnerving. I mean, I think I see the idea - keep your CBs back to lock down the mid and deep distances, let your speed linebackers shred them across the short and middle, and let the safeties knock some heads off, too. And I guess with the current rules, where sneezing on a receiver being almost a penalizable offense, you need to give the cushion. But still - it just looks wrong!

Smoot's drop - Oh Lord, droppabingus carlosrogersii is contagious! Please tell me there's some sort of medication for it? Maybe some sort of hand cream, or a pill?

The Receiver - I can't say I've ever really seen a receiver with the capacity to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory, at least not since the coming and going of Michael Westbrook. Sadly, I think we all have, once again. What sort of fire do we need to light under Ain'ty-Cinco's SJK before he starts actually trying? All of the talk and the pre-season workouts just didn't seem to have much of a lasting effect, apparently. At this point, it's going to be Brandon "The Nnoid" Lloyd, and until he gets better, it'll be best to Avoid the Nnoid.

Posted by: FlimFlam | September 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Glass Half Full....it doesn't sound like your glass is half full...instead rather empty. Please back up your claims about players not wanting to play here...produce evidence.....Marcus Washington, Griff, Betts, Thrash, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels all seem happy to me - just to name a few.

Where is your evidence?

Posted by: Lisa | September 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Eli's injury to his shoulder is... sort of... kinda..., oh yeah comical. NBC, NBC, NBC, NBC......

Posted by: Tiki Barber | September 11, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs is expressing what any player would express in the event that a couple of hours before game time the D-Cordinator comes and says you're not starting. I think this all stems from the offseason when Springs was asked to restructure his contract and he outright said "NO". I also think him being the last player to report to camp left a bad taste in the coaching staff mouth. A supposed vetern should not be the last player to report to camp. While the brass in Washington may be a little salty with Springs, I think he has been a very good guy in the locker room and on the field. Lets face it, Springs is 33 or something like that. Given his role on the team as the #1 CB and only "Island" corner on the squad, restructuring his deal really isn't an option, in his eyes. Yes, Mark Brunell re-worked his contract, but he knew he was relinquishing the starting job to Campbell, he is 36 soon to be 37, coming off surgery, and at this point in his career he is a backup at best. Brunell knew he faced an ultimatum: Either restructure the deal or be cut (Which would have devestated JJG). Smart man to take less money was Mark Brunell. Back to Springs, for all the individuals who think he is problematic due to his financial situation comment after being asked is this a permanent move made by Gregg Williams. Let me ask you this: You are on a job for four years. Over those four years you have gained a reputation for being one of the go to's when your company's back is against the wall. Naturally you will maintain the "Perks" as the top employee in your department (Fexiable arrive time, long lunches) Well in the 5th year things don't go to well and the company is not as sucessful it has been in recent years. The company looking to make some personnel changes comes to you, Mr. Go To, and asks can you take a pay cut. Of course realizing your seniority and position in your department, you say to hell with a pay cut. In year six the company plans to make some noticable, not major changes to your department. You have a huge seminar (or whatever) coming up and hours before your department is set to make their presentation, your boss tells you that you won't be needed to be the primary speeker. Nevermind that you legitimately called out sick a few times last year and had a long stay in the hospital to treat a serious illness, so this year you vowed to come back healthy and ready to work. All of that time and preperation to make what you envisioned as the comeback year, gone to waste because the brass in your department is a little pissed you didn't take less money, and/or maybe feel that you are too much of a health risk. That man with the frown but oddly with a smirk at the same time is Shawn Springs.

Posted by: nex2no1 | September 11, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm sicka of people disrespecting me. You don't know what us footballer endure throughout our careers. So if a team decides to pay me 20 mil over the next 5, imma take it. Screw all you fans with your 'hail to the redskins' hoopla. You want me to sacrafice for the good of the team? What team? If only you damn pansies knew what went on in the locker room or at Redskins Park, you will see where I get my "I don't give a shyt" attitude from. So in the words of the great Willie Beamen "Ima keep doing what I do, so when ever you decide to waive me or trade me, i'll be 5x worth than what i was when I got here". B-Lloyd

Posted by: Brandon Lloyd | September 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

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