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Jansen's Health

I heard some weird rumors are going around on this one, so wanted to let you all know that Jon is hobbled, but has not ruled out playing Sunday - in fact he wants to, badly - and said in way will he need to miss more than a week.

His calf hurts, but generally gets better through the week as long as he rests in. Probably won't practice until Friday at the earliest, but aims to play. He's probably played his three best games of the season with the right calf hurting the most, and after missing all of 2004 and playing last year with two broken thumbs, wants to finish this year out strong.
He's wearing a brace on his right thumb, but that's not the big concern right now.

I have some ungodly turnover stats I dug up for tomorrow's story, but since you guys are all down on me for the Chicago post, and seem to need a spirit lifter, I'll spare from it until the morning and keep it off the blog.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 12, 2006; 2:14 PM ET
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Jansen didn't seem to bad on Live last night, thought the thumb brace did inhibit is wing eating. O line is playing silly. Even thought we've lost two in a row, the running has actually given me some inspiration for next year. With JC preparing as a starter for the whole year...who knows?

What we need:

DE or DT?
Safety? - Troy signed, but he's old.

Probably bye bye to Al too.


Posted by: Pub Golf | December 12, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Curious who'll be taking all those reps in practice in Jansen's place. Who are the kid tackles whose names we need to know? I assume we're going to see a good bit of him/them if Jansen is this banged up. Will be very interesting to see if that has any effect on pass protection and blocking on the right side, which has not seemed to be as good as on the right side the past few weeks.

Glad to hear the mood of the team is 'bouyant,' and great use of that word. I hope they come out and punch the Saints in the mouth on Sunday. I know how unlikely that seems, but it might be a relief to be on the road after three weeks at home under the hot glare of our disappointment. I don't have any illusions that we'll win the game, with the Saints surging and playing for that bye week, but I think it's a chance to show some guts, some character out there. Which is about all we have left to hope for.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I meant, run blocking on the right side hasn't seemed as effective as that on the left side, the past few weeks. Not backed up by stats, just my impression from a Portland barstool.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 2:28 PM | Report abuse

We're actually rest Jon. But have thought about overpaying for another Right Tackle in the offseason. Also, we want to give #8 a new contract with 20 mil bonus.

What do you guys think?


Posted by: Andyman | December 12, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Jon just told me he plans to play. Also, we're planing on signing the best RT in FA next season. 6 years, 30 mil, 10 mil bonus. Sounds about normal.

Oh yeah, Brunell gets a new contract. 10 years, 120 mil, 40 mil bonus. Love it!



Posted by: Andyman | December 12, 2006 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If Kelli Johnson was a part of Monday Nite Live I would be there every week.

In any case, the offensive line has been stellar this year. Like PG said, our running game has turned it on and we are near the league lead in sacks allowed.

I would have to put our unsuccessful year on the hands of the coaches for horrendous play calling, clock management, and player personnel moves... all that, plus the defense, particularily our inability to put pressure on the QB and our pass D.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | December 12, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

can you buy shotgun casings in burgundy & gold?

And if not, why not?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | December 12, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

you know back in the day when i always saw things thru burgandy and gold. i used to be mad at the NFL peeps for not picking jansen for pro-bowl. and then i took 'em off and know why. cuz he aint pro-bowl quality good and never was. only once in his illustrious career has he had a game where strahan didn't get the best of him.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

but he sure loves to complain about pass blocking...but nooooooooooo he's not a whiner. a class act. whatEVER!

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Check this out. I was walking out of Fed-Up field after Sunday's disappointment and encountered some rowdy Eagles fans celebrating their victory. Out of the corner of my eyes I see this stunning blonde wearing a tight a$$ eagles sweater. As I turn to sneak a peak she catches my eye and waves me over. As soon as I get within arms length she grabs me and lays a big fat wet one on my lips. Dazed I ask what that was. She smiles and said "I always like to be kissed after being FU^%$#!" Merry Christmas and Happy off season.

Posted by: james63k | December 12, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

hey james63k


Posted by: Go Skins Go | December 12, 2006 2:55 PM | Report abuse

james36k, I don't quite understand that story.

Did you mean to convey that the blonde was trying to console you with a kiss since you had just been FU^%$$#! by the Skins' loss? Or that she had somehow been FU^%$$#! over the course of the game and therefore needed a kiss?

Usually I don't need Cliffs notes for fantasy stories/softcore erotica, but this one is lost on me.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Quality additions by Andyman. Karl, how about throwing in a 5th rounder for the team that currently employs our next RT.

For the record, I like Jansen. Sure, he complains when they're pass-blocking too much. Nevermind that he's right. Why shove a sock in the voice of reason? Get well, big Jon.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

nate, you're a better man than i. i was confused too. thought the girl should've been wearing a skins jersey. and then dropped it thinking i was too old to understand highschool jokes.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Great comparison in reference to Da Bears. I'd be curious to see how the Skins' operation matches up to the Cardinals. I'd guess the revenue numbers are no comparison, but as far as the on the field performance goes . . .

Posted by: JPT | December 12, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

So what if Jansen plays or not- what did Parcell's say about him before the last cowboy's game- seemed like an accurate assessment to me.

Bring in his backup and let's see what he can do at this point- can't hurt- OL is on the list of "things wrong with this team" Can we put some blame on Buges?

Can anyone tell me what a core redskin is?

Posted by: Richard Cranium | December 12, 2006 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Cliff notes for the Post "Over the Hill Gang"

The story illustrates a fans prospective or fantasy if you will about a chance encounter in the parking area of a sporting venue. In this scenario our disappointed fan gets consoled by a beautiful woman. The consoling by the young lady implies that she understands the Redskins fan has invested his time and money into this venue and once again has to depart said facility feeling violated. Get it now?

Posted by: james63k | December 12, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

That needed way too much explanation for the average iq on this blog.

Posted by: psf | December 12, 2006 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, Joe.

Miami just took McCune off our practice squad. But, we threw in that 5th rounder for a fantasy football draft book from 1997. We're going to use it for the real draft....oh yeah. Shar Pourdanish is back. To return punts.

Posted by: Andyman | December 12, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

NOW I get the joke -- it's about an Iggles fan showing compassion. Haw haw haw!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

13,000+ comments on this blog and I think that's the first mention of old Shar. All of these Jansen-haters need to get some film of Shar Pourdanish and then go to confession.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You should have asked the Blonde if it happened in a stall in the Ladies Restroom :-)

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 12, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Andyman, thanks a million for the SharPoo reference. I just lost my appetite for lunch.

You're right, Joe, I take back all the doubting words I had about Jansen. I'll take one-legged Jansen with two broken thumbs, a neck brace and an eye patch over Shar any day.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You better get used to Shar being back. His 15 years, 300 mil contract is LOCKED IN!

-Karl S.

Posted by: Andyman | December 12, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Donkey Punch?

Posted by: Bangbros | December 12, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

To return punts.

I'm still laughing about this.

Thank you, Andyman, for dropping this knowledge on us. I'm going to go post it to Dan Snyder's website now.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Just tell me. Mr. Snyder's office is down the hall from mine. I'll put it on a post-it for him.

Oh yeah, make sure you buy a Riggins #44 jersey from the team website. We don't have a picture to show you how it'll look. But trust your money with me.

Posted by: Andyman | December 12, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I saw Jon at the Apple store in Tysons mall last Friday. Dude looked like it was painful to walk....

Posted by: 1buj | December 12, 2006 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I actually thought about going to Sign of the Whale on Friday because I heard Chris Cooley would be there and I figured I'd have a better chance getting my DVD from him than I would by waiting around for La Canfora to get it for me. It's only been 16 weeks...

Worst contest in history. You win, and yet you don't win.

Posted by: Barno | December 12, 2006 4:08 PM | Report abuse

why gimp the dude up any more than he is? Maybe he can actually pick up a step in the offseason if he isn't brutalized in these last few meaningless games.

Any one up for scheduling a mass exodus to Ashburn sometime soon? Coach owes us some schwag after a season's worth of wet farts into the wind.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 12, 2006 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Shar Pourdanish is Redskins during my core teen years, which is my glory years for the team. Brings back memories. I had to look him up and found this article (presumbly in the 7-1 season where we collasped) in the WaPo historical pages. I feel better a little after reading it.

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 12, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to the dirtbags?

Posted by: Sect 428 | December 12, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

wow a trip down memory lane there.........sorry 4th floor that was your formulative years....mine was Gibbs Mach I..the names in that Allen and Henry Ellard were gamers though...Jaime Asher not so much...

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 4:30 PM | Report abuse

OL should be called the "Run-Arounds" - that's what the opposing team does when our OL attempts to pass block.

Posted by: Richard Cranium | December 12, 2006 4:32 PM | Report abuse


We traded the name "Dirtbags" and our 2008 1st round pick to Denver for Mike Bell.

We figured since the Denver OL cutblocks and its dirty, that would be a perfect match.

We're excited to welcome Mike Bell to Washington with a 20 years, 1 billon dollar contract with a 200 mill bonus. He'll wear #28.

Posted by: ANDYMAN | December 12, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - growing up in the mid 90s sucked as a Redskin Fan. High School were some of the worst years (94-98) I thought going through those 'terms of endearment' those years woud reap us benefits so I can gratified post teen years. I'm telling you guys, it feels wierd reliving the 90's 'Skins with Coach Gibbs at the helm.......

Posted by: 4th | December 12, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The dissapointment of the 7-1 start was one of the worst seasons ever...and I wanted so much to trust in Gus.....I still claim he doesnt headbutt that wall he and norv might still be here.....

I was already up here in NYC by then and watching that game with a room split 50-50 skin/giants fans...I have rarely been so humiliated as watching the continued replay of the headbutt and than having to watch Gus try to shake out the cobwebs...

Great skins from that era: Ken Harvey, Tre Johnson, Terry Allen, Ellard, Ndekwe Kalu, Kenard Lang, Stephan Davis, Brian Mitchell...thats about it....oh yeah and Brad Johnson....Still to this day Snyder bringing Jeff George was his worst move ever...with a secure BJ we get to the playoffs with Norv a few more times than we did....

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason, keep preaching it! This team needs to fundamentally change its approach, it doesn't need coddling! Keep up the public spanking of the Skins, they've been building up the need for it for 14 years...

Posted by: Gregarious | December 12, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

tough years 4th...but the records stay the same. Hopefully we see glory in the final two years of Gibbs II electric booga-lose.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 12, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Irving Fryer was still good. Albert Conell for 2 1/2 seasons was ok. D Green had to play through those years as well. Shawn Gilbert got us two 1st rounders from Charlotte......

Posted by: 4th | December 12, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Andyman, you are killing me today. Great work. "He'll wear #28" was absolutely priceless.

Chris Larry, even after the Penthouse Forum visit to the FedEx parking lot earlier in the thread, I'm not going to take the bait on your '...with a secure BJ'.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Nate...yeah I winced at that after I posted it...oh well...another thing Brad Johnson was good for...bathroom humor...

Sean what a bust, where did we get him from again? God makes a bad agent... He has morphed into Dana Stubblefield as the same dude to me....D. Green obviously..he is above the convo really...good call on Irving Fryar...

Speaking of Stubblefield did he start this trend of huge free agent/trade busts...remember his small head on that huge body...he went from beast with SF to absolute garbage...

Remember when our free agent were dudes like Wilbur Marshall? I saw him in Springfield Mall once....dude was scary..

Actually our downfall began when we let Marshall and Gary Clark go labelling them as "bad influences"

Sorry for the memory lane...its less painfull then the present...

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 12, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora:

New Babyshambles EP is out on iTunes. Very tight. Question to the group:

Will Al Saunders Year Two look like Urban Meyer Year Two or like a freezing neked old man passed out in an alley?

I vote the former.

Posted by: The Governor | December 12, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry in a reflective mood now....

One position that haunted the skins since the glory days of Dave Butz and Drayl "World" Grant has been Def Tackle:

Dan Wilkenson
Daryl Gardner
D Rusell (rip)
Sean Golbert

Plus a long list of nobodies and busts...we let Kenard Lang get away...Griffin has panned out and Salevea is hall of famer compared to the above list...but what a void position this has been...

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Leslie Shepard/Chris Dishman/Larry Bowie @ Fullback....

Posted by: 4th | December 12, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Jamie Asher's wife was really hot. That's pretty much all I can say about that era of 'Skins football.

Hard to believe this team has stunk for 12 out of the last 14 years. Remind me again why I still root for them? It's not like I live in DC anymore...

Posted by: P Diddy | December 12, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys, took a sick day today.. slept in til noon and played SNES for most the afternoon. 1 TCCL for me.

Jason mentioned the word "funky" and I meant to say something yesterday, but the Funky 4 are the most rediculous thing I have ever seen. How did they get on the field? Who allowed that? My only regret is not taking a picture of that Shabingus so I could make fun of it with my comments on my online album.

aslo... the cheerleaders really didn't do anything for me yesterday, even if I was watching from 11 rows up. This is totally un-snyderlike, but they should take a note from college games and shoot t-shirts into the stands. But nothing is for free in Dannyland.

I'll say it again Jason, Redskins have become the Chicago Blackhawkes.

Posted by: Dorf | December 12, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, you have to keep Darryl Gardener off that list. The Redskins played that one perfectly. They picked him up when he had something to prove and let him go when it was time for him to get rich, fat, and lazy. He was a BEAST for the one season he was here.

Andyman brought the hilarity today. Give that blogger a 5-year contract with $10 mil up-front.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

We root because we're fans. And we're here on this board because, as fans, we need a freakin' support group. Especially those of us at some remove from the heart of Redskins Nation. Stay strong, folks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

True story: I was driving on Rt. 28 in Sterling once and found myself next to a tiny luxury car (Porsche, as I recall) absolutely filled to the gunwales with defensive tackles: Big Daddy and Stubby, just after they came to town. I drove alongside them momentarily and gave them a huge grin and thumbs up, like a dork. They gave me big smiles and, I can only assume, merrily continued their drive to the bank.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree about Gardner...but he is part of the saga of that position thats why I included him....what an idiot if he had taken the contract we gave him he may still be in the league...

4th you are rockin me! Bowie...forgot we even had Dishman...

What about Larry Centers best player The Danny ever handpicked!

Posted by: Raleigh Joe | December 12, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

can anyone name 5 recent FA acquisitions that panned out?

1) Marcus Washington
2) Shawn Springs
3) .....uh.....hmmmmm...Randle El? kind of.

for a team that prides itself on FA, they sure suck at it.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 12, 2006 5:31 PM | Report abuse

nate....great story!

Jeff You gotta include to that list:

Randy Thomas

L. Coles..the dude did produce and we flipped him for Santana I documented as Def tackles go since the early 90's that worked out for us

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Thomas and Griffin absolutely...but with the whole Coles debacle I wouldn't include him except from a value perspective in that we were able to get Santana for him...worth the cap hit by far. long is the list of FA busts? Gotta be like 15 deep at least.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 12, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Joe - I forgot about Centers! I agree that was the best hand picked player Snyder ever picked.

Posted by: 4th | December 12, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is going to be mad about this one......

If neccesary, the new Cowboys stadium could hold up to 100K people......

Posted by: 4th Floor | December 12, 2006 5:46 PM | Report abuse

4th - dude you are killing me! Ugh!

I'd blocked out the details of the 90s. Chris effin Dishman!! I want to cry . . . I am and throwing up in my mouth.

Let's not forget the fact that Art Monk ended up in green and silver. WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT OVER?!?!?

Still for my vomit the two worst moves made by this franchise in since Gibbs 1.0 was phased out was hiring Spurrier and *gasp* Jeff George . . . the horror . . .the horror . . .the horror. . . .

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams - greatest free agent pick up Joe Gibbs ever made.

Posted by: Learned Hand | December 12, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

You know reliving the 90's and early Y2Ks suddenly lessens my anger and futility about this year.

4th I hope you smoked a lot of dope and drank a lot Beast in high school to help you through.

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

J-La I thought the Chi comparison was a good one and bring greater perspective to our perspective.

Plus didn't they gut and redo Soldier Field as well?

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm having a happy memory now. Remember the Skins-Bears in what was it 88? Soldier Field - DGreen takes the punt with the broken arm and hurdles a Bear on the run back . . .

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Wierd the BLOG posted my Larry Centers post as Joe from Raliegh!!!!!!!! strange......

I agree with sfskin...putting our recent history in context softens the blow...

Jeff Hayes....I am just saying Coles wasnt a bust on the field...but yeah that was messy.....but my man I agree with your point on FA %100

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I was grazing through the SI site and they have a "One and Done" spread on HC's who were gone after one year with a team. They claim it's less than 24 over the years and give 8 examples. 3 of them are Skins - Marty, Petitebone, Lombardi. I'm sure it's SI going for the usual poke in the eye of us but still

I totally forgot Buges coached at Oakland. I wonder if he did a cleansing ritual to get rid of the bad mojo.

Wow I'm subjecting you to my stream of conscious now.

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Nothing at Soldier field was uglier than the the whupping in the 80's with the Thiesman 1 yard punt...we also got knocked out by the 85 bears in the playoffs...but cant remember if that was RFK or Soldier...

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Lombardi!!!!!!! Thats hardly fair...he died!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris Larry | December 12, 2006 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Jansen had a great game against Carolina. He shut down Julius Peppers.

Posted by: dcsween | December 12, 2006 6:07 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I thought Saint Vince's inclusion in the one-and-done HCs slideshow was a little crass because the reason he didn't return was that, ah, he died.

Not that it's a particularly interesting ranking exercise since the population is so small, but I have to put Lombardi as #3 in modern era Skins coaches.

Gibbs is #1 no matter what happens the second time around, Allen has to be #2, but Lombardi was the guy who grabbed this franchise by the single-bar facemask and dragged us to respectability after, what almost 30 years of misery.

I have heard Sonny talk about how different it was with Lombardi as coach, how much that one year mattered to them as a team. It's hard to resist wondering what the franchise history would look like had he lived longer, but we were darned fortunate to have him for that one year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Now that JG has said Grilliams is coming back I'll rant one last time and then try to keep my mouth zipped.

WHY is he coming back? I know consistency blah blah blah. But if they don't take him out to the woodshed and smack his ego down to size then I fear we'll all be gnashing our teeth and pulling out our hair all over again next year.


Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I think that when Marty decided to cut Larry Centers, that was the beginning of the end of his coaching run.

Centers was Danny's guy. My guess is that Marty just wanted to send a message that he was the one calling the shots. It was an all-around stupid thing to do because Centers was a big component in the 1999 playoff run.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Was that thing about McCune serious?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate I agree on the Lombardi thing. That's why I think they were cheap shotting the team again. Not that the organization doesn't deserve a little of it all but Lombardi certainly doesn't.

Posted by: sfskin | December 12, 2006 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Folks, there is a lot of action on the last thread in case you haven't been keeping up. I just noticed some good chatter over there.

Joe, I'm with you -- I'm starting to have trouble sorting fact from fiction. Things are so bad that the most outlandish notions don't seem beyond this team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Chris - you took the words out my mouth. THe guy died. Wasn't he like majority owner at the time? And Cooke took over as majority owner after that?

Going through what we are going through now at this point, we can only look to the 90s/early 00s for relief.

Very next week.........

Posted by: 4th | December 12, 2006 6:26 PM | Report abuse

4th is the Archive bomb today....

F that thread from the last post..same old same old.....

Reading here a few other 90's notables: Champ obviously and Shawn "The Mad" Barber...that dude was the bomb....hell we could still use him!

Posted by: Chris Larry | December 12, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I loved Larry Centers - totally forgot about him - is he still in the league?

Funny memory: Irving Fryar was hurt in one of our games (can't remember who our opponent was) and carried off the field on a stretcher (this is NOT the funny part). Well, that weekend on Redskins Report, Riggins said that he did not think Fryar would play again. Stated that when you get hit that hard it is difficult to go back in there. Surprisingly, Riggins did not mean this in a bad way but Fryar took it that way. It really embarrassed him and when he was interviewed later in the week he went off on Riggins calling him "Shirley Temple on Steroids"

Posted by: Lisa | December 12, 2006 6:48 PM | Report abuse

speaking of that 99 season....if only warrick didn't pick up that fumble and get the first lucky....or else we coulda gone to StL to play for the NFC title, where, if I'm not mistaken, we had gone to during the season and won on MNF? or was that 2000....don't quite remember.

Posted by: k-man | December 12, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

good stuff guys, love it. the 1999 season really sent me over the edge as a Redskins fan. It was my senior year of high school and every freakin' monday i was eating pizza for dinner! I moved to northern Va in 93 and was waffling between the Chargers where I just moved from, my dad's Vikings, and the hometown Skins. The Redskins were kind of a joke (deadskins) for a while and sorta rooted for them but never said i was a fan... but that season sold me. and it was down hill from there. I really thought Marty would have been a great coach there if he had more time. I thought Tre Johnson was awesome, i was real bummed when he came back a shadow of his former self. Keep it up guys. Good form.

Posted by: Dorf | December 12, 2006 7:33 PM | Report abuse

The botched field goal at TB was brutal. I was living in Boston and had just finished schooling my buddy's little brother on Redskins football history...all he wanted to talk about was Alstott and the Cowboys.

Then Dan Turk's awful snap. Rest his soul. B Mitch had a nice return for a TD though.

okay, enough 90's memory lane...puking my guts out

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | December 12, 2006 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Dorf and others have mentioned Tre Johnson. He was definitely one of the best Skins of the late 90s, a great quote and an awesome player. A true personality, which was difficult given that Norv had a knack for sucking the life force out of everything around him, kind of like a human black hole.

Man, I hated losing Big Tre. I think he was the guy who was asked about his long sleeves in brutal summer training camp and noted that they kept his tattoos from being damaged. You have to love that. Hated losing him, hated watching Art Monk and Brian Mitchell end their careers playing for other teams, hated a lot of stuff form that era. Mostly hated the losing.

Good thing I've put it all behind me, to focus on the Positive in the Here and Now, and Look Ahead to Better Things!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | December 12, 2006 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Doug Williams the best FA ever for the Skins? Please. He was only good for 15 minutes ... but what a 15 minutes :)

Posted by: AL | December 12, 2006 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I'll get it from Chris by the end of the season. Trust me, I'm waiting on him, not the other way around.

I covered Shar back in the day for the baltimore Sun for a few games and practices back when there was a CFL team at Memorial Stadium.

Gov'ner - tell me more about this EP? Is it new stuff that wasn't on the extended album? Damn, could be Merry Christmas to me - forget this blog, I'm headin to ITunes, suckas.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 12, 2006 9:38 PM | Report abuse

As a mid 30s, lifelong 'Skins diehard, who watched him get the better of us on many occasions, I just want to say to Everson Walls, "You sir, are the man"

Posted by: 4-12 | December 12, 2006 10:01 PM | Report abuse

It is completely new stuff that is their first release on a major label. Very tight. Pete sounds like he had heroine-with-milk for breakfast and a six pack of Carlsberg and 3 cigarettes for lunch before he recorded it.

Sometimes I get tired of repping it to the death so much.

By the way...Beerfest...incredible movie. One of the characters is named Phil Krundel...amazing. My new nickname amongst my boys is Chuck Chillout.

Posted by: The Governor | December 12, 2006 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone. We made it down to New Orleans. We have a big day tomorrow. First we hit Musician Village for 8 hours works, then off Children Homes (foster homes) to pass out gift. Will give everyone an update later tomorrow night. Since we came in at night it was hard to see very much other than the National Guard. We have another TV interview on Thursday as well as Radio interview.

Posted by: jm220 | December 12, 2006 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Yo pump your brakes Gov. I stacked my claim to that nickname more than two decades ago son. Go check the liner notes to your Run DMC "Kings of Rock" album. If you don't got dat, you bet' not use my name.

Posted by: DJ Chuck Chillout | December 12, 2006 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Tre's nickname was the Big Banga. He would always show up to training camp 30 lbs overweight and have to run for a week to sweat it off. All that weight took a toll on his knees, but when he was healthy, man, he'd crush. Miss that guy.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Glad you made it safely, JM. Good luck tomorrow. Keep us posted on how everything's going.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | December 12, 2006 10:52 PM | Report abuse

jason, after reading your article on defense and double g's defenses having a history of no takeaways. i hereby change my stance on double G. he must go! no wonder buffalo people are laughing at us!

good stats though. sad but good on your part to come up with them. so this year's team is on the verge of becoming a team with the fewest takeaways in the HISTORY of nfl. WOW! they need 5 in 3 games to tie the record. 4 and they break it!

i'm torn. i don't know what to root for. on one hand we could tell our grandkids about watching a recordbreaking defense on the other hand...actually there is no other hand. let's root for rogers to keep dropping those INT's!!!!!

jm, i'm glad you guys made it okay. how's the weather and did you guys get interviewed over here?

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 10:58 PM | Report abuse

tre went to cleveland for a couple of seasons and then came back to this area and he was doing well in the media i thought but i don't know what happened. he just vanished. anyone know the whereabouts of that dude.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Good luck JM and gang! Have fun! And don't forget to post pictures!

Posted by: P Diddy | December 12, 2006 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Dealer LMAO! Out of control son as always. Yes, we did get interviewed over here and my people told me they saw it. Scott mother also saw the interview. We are trying to locate it now on WJLA website.

Posted by: jm220 | December 12, 2006 11:05 PM | Report abuse

well if they saw it then i recorded back in 15...

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:11 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!!!!!!!! JM220, YOU'RE BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

scott and you....aweeeeeeeeeeee! so sweet!

man! how come there was just you two? the rest coming/going on there own?

really do take lots of pics. we'll be there in spirit with you guys. that's so cool.

i'm kinda envious...but someone raised a question on their blogs once asking if she should get married since she loves helping others and if "having a family means that you can't help others...because it(having your own family,spouse, kids) ties you down..." ...

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:29 PM | Report abuse


You are looking good man! :-) Scott is so young and sweet. Hope you guys (and girls if there are any) have a great time - wish I could be there but alas, my boss is a grinch.

Posted by: Lisa | December 12, 2006 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the news report. It happens about 27 minutes into the broadcast. John and Scott, and everyone else who's going, you rock. Great interviews, I definitely infiltrated the right blog. Did you ever get a fund or paypal thing going, I can spare a few dollars. It's never too late right?

Posted by: SMACK | December 12, 2006 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and as a reward for all this, I really hope you beat the Saints.

Posted by: SMACK | December 12, 2006 11:38 PM | Report abuse

smack, you sly fool! you want the skins to beat the saints for YOU/dallas!!!!

skins are trying to keep their 1st rounder. so no, anything better than the dallas showing against NO is good enough for us.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:44 PM | Report abuse

smack, you said "great interviewS" so there's a longer version at 11pm?

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:45 PM | Report abuse


Believe it or not, Tre Johnson is teaching history at Landon School in Bethesda (it's a private school for boys). He also used to coach track and field there - may still do so. I know this because a friend of mine Doug Nettles,who played with the Baltimore Colts & NY Giants way back when, also teaches and coaches there - he is good friends with Tre. I will tell Doug to let Tre know we have been missing him in the media.

Posted by: Lisa | December 12, 2006 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Dealer, one more thing....Doug told me that Tre cut his dreads....

Posted by: Lisa | December 12, 2006 11:47 PM | Report abuse

ohh WOW lisa! thanks for the update. tre bien! tre bien! :)

so it's probly by choice then. cuz there is no way these media folks(wapo, comcast, 4/5/7/9, 980...) wouldn't want him.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about that...I think Tre liked doing the media thing. I'll ask Doug and let you know....

Posted by: Lisa | December 12, 2006 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry dealer, didn't see the 6 pm version. I just meant great interviews because they talk to both of those guys. It is about a 2:00 piece I'd say. But there is a classic screengrab of Jason's blog too. This thing is getting huge.

Posted by: SMACK | December 12, 2006 11:55 PM | Report abuse

...Tre cut his dreads
NO WAY! first yanik and now tre!

i guess he's a teacher and probly either had to or wanted to present a more "professional" image to the kids...

really happy to hear that. and ya'll media outlets please get him on the air again!

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:57 PM | Report abuse

smack, thanks. i think i recorded both shows. i'll go back and watch the 11 o'clock one too now.

Posted by: dealer | December 12, 2006 11:58 PM | Report abuse

So dealer, this weekend, I root for the Skins and you root against them. This has turned into a bizarro blog.


Posted by: SMACK | December 12, 2006 11:59 PM | Report abuse

i'm not rooting against my team and never will. i just don't want them help the girls that's all!

Posted by: dealer | December 13, 2006 12:03 AM | Report abuse

You don't want your team to win. I sure as hell hope you weren't one of those Casey Confessional writers earlier on. Please seek help for your unhealthy obsession with The Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: SMACK | December 13, 2006 12:05 AM | Report abuse

To my peeps in N'Orleans. You guys are the best. Missed the news amid all of these crazy Joe Gibbs rumors, but I am sure you guys did great.
Thanks for what you are doing down there na dmake sure when you call me Saturday you're good and thirsty.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | December 13, 2006 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I loved that the guys (jm220 and Scott) had on Skins jerseys.....

It was a good piece...they may show it again in the morning.....

Posted by: Lisa | December 13, 2006 12:13 AM | Report abuse


If someone gets a link to the interview, please post it for us all.


Posted by: SallieMae | December 13, 2006 10:45 AM | Report abuse


(Karl S.) is that as in Karl Swanson?

You are wanted in Extremeskins...

We need some material.

Posted by: cphil006 | December 13, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

smack, sorry but you should take it as a compliment. it means the girls are actually good. also there are other reasons and not
JUST because they have a * on their helmet

it's because their org setup is a lot like the skins(or vice versa).

and their owner has his own radio show.

and cuz i don't like big tuna cuz of his sense of entitlement of "loyalty" he expected from bellichoke (from the ny jets years)

and of course "to" vs. jeff garcia. after reading what he said recently (a la randy moss) and the fact that he hates jeff garcia. i'm rooting for garcia over him.

so eventhough right now i'm saying i want my team to lose...even during the norv years i never rooted against them during game time. but i honestly believe that it won't be the a$$ whooping that the girls got last sunday night. for whatever reason. the skins D's been playing well and i think sean peyton had something to prove in that game to parcells.

Posted by: dealer | December 13, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

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