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Jarmon and the (Supplemental) Draft

The NFL will be holding its supplemental draft at 1 p.m. and this one is decidedly less of an extravaganza than the April affair. In this draft, teams will make their selections over the telephone with shorter rounds.

The draft often features very few selections, and the players available are those who declared for the NFL after April's draft, often because they were deemed ineligible to continue playing college football.

This year the major name out there is Jeremy Jarmon, a defensive end from Kentucky. Jarmon started games for Kentucky all three seasons he played, and had a standout sophomore year, collecting nine sacks. Last year that total dropped to four, and Jarmon was declared ineligible for his senior season after testing positive for a banned substance in February.

According to the University of Kentucky website, the substance was in a dietary supplement that Jarmon stopped taking after consulting with Kentucky's strength and conditioning staff.

The link to the UK website contains a long statement by Jarmon in which he explains his goals of losing weight and how he ended up taking the substance.

"My goal of dieting was to prove to myself that I can control my eating habits and live a healthier life. I never intended to take a banned substance or gain any improper type of competitive advantage. I could not gain a competitive advantage if I was not even healthy to do so. The NCAA randomly tested me again six weeks after the positive test and my results were negative. The substance was no longer in my system. This shows that I had not been taking the substance long and most importantly that this was not the type of banned substance that remains in your system for a long period of time."
The Redskins sent a fairly large contingent to Jarmon's recent workout, including Vinny Cerrato, the team's executive vice president of football operations. Their strong presence at the workout indicates at least some interest in selecting Jarmon this afternoon. Because of that I thought I'd give some insight into where Jarmon is expected to be drafted, and what scouts think of him. Yesterday I spoke with Nolan Nawrocki, the draft expert from Pro Football Weekly. I worked with Nolan a couple of years ago and he is one of the hardest-working evaluators out there, constantly pouring over tape and working the phones. I learned a lot from him and I would definitely recommend his draft evaluations to get a good idea on incoming prospects.


Nolan said that he doesn't expect Jarmon to fall past the third round, and that some teams may justify a second-round grade based on "how quickly the talent level typically falls off in the second round at the DE position with guys like Dan Bazuin being drafted at the end of the round."

Jarmon's "not the fencepost that [coaches] would prefer in a true 3-4 like [Bill] Parcells, [Bill] Belichick and [Eric] Mangini run," Nawrocki e-mailed. "But has the frame to get up to 295 and fit very well in a more aggressive 3-4 front like Pittsburgh, San Diego or San Francisco. Also could be a solid base end in a 4-3. Will go no worse than fourth, but [my] guess is third, with Skins potentially looking at him in [the second round] given how they undervalue draft picks and feel a sense of urgency to win and support [the] Haynesworth signing."

Obviously it will all come down to what the Redskins coaches thought at the workout. Jarmon "definitely fits [the] Greg Blache defense," Nawrocki wrote, so we'll see if the Redskins take him and if so, at what point.

By Paul Tenorio  |  July 16, 2009; 11:39 AM ET
 
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Posted by: cocodc1 | July 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

first off, is there a roster spot for this guy? he's that good?

Posted by: follybeach | July 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

**** Corny post of the Day****

Maybe we can get a stimulus package passed on NFL points putting us into playoff contention.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 16, 2009 11:58 AM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

WOW**********


The guy who wrote this post actually listed a real person as a source of information.

Impressive

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

ZIf the Redskins get this guy, I think Skolnitsky will get the axe. You like to hear about local guys making the team, but Jarmon is much better. I wouldn't discard the team picking up McKinner Dixon in the late rounds. He's a tweaner that could actually play SLB, freeing up Orakpo to play end. Either way, Skolnitsky is probably out of there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd spend a 3rd or a 4th....2nd seems kinda high....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If we needed a true defensive end so badly, why didn't we just draft Robert Ayers (6'3" 272, Tennessee) instead of Orakpo? He went 5 picks later.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

is there anywhere to see whats happening with the draft live?

Posted by: follybeach | July 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Will Vinnie take this guy?

"I love (Oklahoma OT) Trent Williams. He's very good in pass protection and as a run blocker. He can play wherever you want him to."

Posted by: oddjob1 | July 16, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

2nd round seems way too high for a guy who got only 4 sacks and gets in trouble once in a while....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

How does this supplemental draft work? How many rounds? Is it too late to declare? Surely any team could use a wily 34 yr old white dude that runs a true 5.0 40

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 16, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

is there anywhere to see whats happening with the draft live?


Posted by: follybeach | July 16, 2009 12:17 PM

It's not conducted like the regular draft. Teams sbumit bids on the players that state the round they want to select the player.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Vinny is up to shenanigans to get some team that really wants the guys to take him earlier than they would normally……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Notorious_LMG:

Dude, I think you run faster than Shaun Alexander... How's your blocking? Can you at least wave at a linebacker when he runs by?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Paul Tenorio writes a more thorough and imparcially blog. Sorry to JLC, but his writing took many jabs at the Front Office, sometimes justified, but other times left people scratching their heads, (like that cb that was cut, cant remember his name, but Jason made it sound like his abscense was the main reason for the redskins collapse late in the season).

Posted by: arbano1 | July 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Do the Skins have all of their picks for next year? Because they can only bid a round for which they have a pick in the next draft.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Me and Shaun the Corpulent are a dead heat. I am very friendly so waving shouldn't be a problem. What do you think? It's worth a shot? I speak Swedish too.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 16, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

first off, is there a roster spot for this guy? he's that good?

Posted by: follybeach | July 16, 2009 11:59 AM |

We can play him at DE, freeing up Orakpo to go full time at SLB.

Most projections I've seen put him in the fourth round.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd spend a 3rd or a 4th....2nd seems kinda high....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM

Which is exactly why they'll spend a 1st.

If they think even 1 team will go for Jarmon in the 2nd, they'll up the ante to where no one else will wanna pay. They do it in free agency, wouldn't be shocked to see 'em do it in the supp draft either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd spend a 3rd or a 4th....2nd seems kinda high....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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BG, I agree. Why bid against yourself? No one else is going to bid a 2nd.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

edvar because Ayers had one year of production in college..see Thomas, Devin.

RedSkinHead my concer with McKinner Dixon is that he academically failed out of Texas A&M..TWICE.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If we needed a true defensive end so badly, why didn't we just draft Robert Ayers (6'3" 272, Tennessee) instead of Orakpo? He went 5 picks later.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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Edvar, Denver is using Ayers at linebacker just like we are using Orakpo there.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

what time do you think we find out the results?

Posted by: follybeach | July 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Jamie Dukes does the Top 5 fans and the Skins are nowhere to be found. It took the white Randy Moss and Solomon Wilcots to beat him down with the fact the Skins have the most sellouts of any team in the NFL. Jamie comes back with "they don't travel". Moron must have missed the Hall of Fame inductions last year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Jiminy Christmas, is this a D only supplemental draft. Is there any O_LINE available at all, i mean really anyone noteworthy would be much more valuable to look at then another undersized D end that needs to put on weight to play in a proper 4-3. Killin me with this all D approach to everything, and im all about the D but enough is enough, hanging JC out to dry this year.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If we needed a true defensive end so badly, why didn't we just draft Robert Ayers (6'3" 272, Tennessee) instead of Orakpo? He went 5 picks later.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 12:14 PM

Yes My Friend. Robert Ayers was my #1 pick for the skins on draft day.

If (IF) we pick him up, I am sure Vinny did enough work on the guy to know if he can succed. I wouldn't mind getting him in the 2nd/3rd round, because this year could be essentially his 'redshirt' year and he can learn alot from Wynn and Daniels as this will be their last year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

can't remember his name? You've forgotten Leigh Torrence already?!

Posted by: trolly_time | July 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I know it's fashionable to pile a lot of hate on Al Franken, and gosh darn it, he did do a lot of asinine things on SNL, but he did take the time to go out and talk to the people of Minnesota,

Posted by: JohnDinHouston |

It's not like he acted in an awful movie with a Chimpanzee named Bonzo.

Some of the best thinkers in this country are comedians. The late George Carlin, Mort Sahl, Lewis Black, Jon Stewart, David Letterman to name a few.

The concept that a man who earned his living doing political humor is somehow underqualified compared to the used car salesmen, former lobbyists, bathroom lurkers and charlatans who make up so much of the Congress today is ridiculous on the face of it.

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Which is exactly why they'll spend a 1st.

If they think even 1 team will go for Jarmon in the 2nd, they'll up the ante to where no one else will wanna pay. They do it in free agency, wouldn't be shocked to see 'em do it in the supp draft either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:33 PM


So, brownie, if they don't draft him with a 1st will you admit you were wrong?

They won't use a first or a second. They're saving those picks so they can trade up in next year's draft to grab a QB.

Third, maybe. Philly and Denver are both interested in him. Actually, 18 teams went to his workout so lots of guys are interested.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Gracias, Senor Cork -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Which is exactly why they'll spend a 1st.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:33 PM

And one more reason why you're wrong again is that they don't have the cap space to sign two first rounders.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Jamie Dukes does the Top 5 fans and the Skins are nowhere to be found. It took the white Randy Moss and Solomon Wilcots to beat him down with the fact the Skins have the most sellouts of any team in the NFL. Jamie comes back with "they don't travel". Moron must have missed the Hall of Fame inductions last year...
Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM

The HOF ceremony alone should make the skins fans top 5, but I am afraid that the home sellout streak is due for an end in the near future…..the “waiting list” is a farce and is non existent, and there are waaaay too many empty seats lately. The new stadium is too big, so the supply is starting to outweigh the demand. When I was little and the Skins played at RFK you just couldn’t get tickets unless you knew a season ticket holder and they couldn’t make it to a game. Granted, that was before ebay etc, but I mean you just couldn’t get tickets…..If you try to sell your seats today you will be lucky if you get face value unless it’s a cowboys game with the playoffs on the line. Unless Snyder/cerrato start putting together a good team, they are going to start seeing games that don’t sell out. The Pittsburgh game from last year is prolly what dropped us off the list…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Edvar, Denver is using Ayers at linebacker just like we are using Orakpo there.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | July 16, 2009 12:37 PM

And they are making a mistake as well....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"They won't use a first or a second. They're saving those picks so they can trade up in next year's draft to grab a QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Well, here's their chance to save them from themselves!! DO IT! First Round Pick for Jarmon!

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will overspend to get Jarmon if he thinks he's a potential starter at DE. I'd be surprised if they let him go past the 3rd round (possibly the 2nd). The Skins are in win-now mode for the next 2-3 years given their age at many positions and cap situation. If Jarmon is seen as an upgrade over our other young DE options, Vinny will pull the trigger.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 16, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Are there any O-Line prospects out their in the supplemental.

There may be a few cuts in the weeks to come as well and maybe the Skins can find a bargain (as long as it comes with some productivity)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Robert Ayers was my #1 pick for the skins on draft day.

Posted by: 4thFloor"

You had Ayers, I had Maybin (though, to be fair, he couldn't have actually been drafted by the Redskins).

Care to keep a running commentary on who ends up winning that one?

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with signing a defensive player who has been declared academically ineligible. Think about the possibilities:

Blache to academically challenged player: Yep, Brandon Jacobs looks big on film but he's only pushing 200 pounds - tops. You could probably put a major league hit on him and make him lose his cookies...

Vinny to academically challenged player: Sure, we could give you a huge signing bonus but you are just going to pay a ton of taxes on that. Let's kind of ease you into a one year contract for the league minimum to keep you in a lower tax bracket...

Dan Snyder to academically challenged player: Can you play quarterback?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Now, is it Jeremy Jarmon Rye? or is it Jeremy Killing Jarmon? hmmm... WWCBD?

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Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

If we can get him in the 3rd I say we do it. Good informative post.

Posted by: Gweez | July 16, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mental check noted PSP. Where did MAybin go anyway? I thought he was too skinny to be productive anytime soon.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

If each round takes 10 minutes, we should be heading into the 3rd round about now…….anyone hear any news yet?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"another undersized D end that needs to put on weight to play in a proper 4-3."

Am I the only one who realizes that to properly play D-End in a 4-3 it takes LESS weight than in other systems?

Dude rotated at defensive tackle in college, and people are acting like he's a linebacker prospect for the NFL.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

4th, Maybin went to Buffalo.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"another undersized D end that needs to put on weight to play in a proper 4-3."

Am I the only one who realizes that to properly play D-End in a 4-3 it takes LESS weight than in other systems?

Dude rotated at defensive tackle in college, and people are acting like he's a linebacker prospect for the NFL.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My thing is we already took the most productive pass rusher in college. You can argue the pick Ayers, Maybin. Orakpo was the most productive and now we want to take a chance on another very similar D-end. Once again is there ANY O_LINE in this draft!!

Posted by: Stu27 | July 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Loooks like we are 40 minutes into this supplemental draft. Not that I have the patience and attention span of a crazed hamster, but what the results of this here draft?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Once again is there ANY O_LINE in this draft!!

Posted by: Stu27 | July 16, 2009 1:34 PM |

No. Here's a good summary of the talent in this draft.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218493-supplemental-draft-preview-possible-destinations-for-eight-prospects

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Man, you’d think maybe NFL dot com would have something up by now, but nada…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

From SI.

"Larry hit me up a couple of days ago and was like, 'Hey, let's get back to old times,' " says Hall, who trained with Fitzgerald in Florida in 2005, when each earned his first trip to the Pro Bowl. "I was like, hell yeah. It's good to have players out here who can definitely make you work and get you better. That's why when he ran down the list of some of the guys that were coming, I was like, I'm there."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about a 2nd round pick. I would consider a 3rd. But I'd value my first 2 picks if I was a GM.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

He's really not a similar D-End at all. He's pushing 280 lbs right now, and as stated above, has the frame to possibly bulk up to 290+. He's a horse DE for the 4-3...which Blache tends to like as an option. Just because he recorded 9 sacks in a season doesn't make him an undersized pass-rusher.

Would I like an o-lineman? Sure. But you don't ignore another future position of need (which DE still is) at an equally crucial position on the field just because he isn't the specific #1 need.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Damn conference call/emailathons:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218868-2009-nfl-supplemental-draft-on-july-16th

An event that most fans don’t know about will take place on July 16 at 1 p.m. EST, as the NFL holds this year’s “Supplemental Draft.”

The draft used to be conducted on a conference call but is now performed via email. All 32 teams will be involved in the weighted, three-step process. Teams with six wins or less in 2008 participate in the first lottery for the top six picks, followed by a second group of non-playoff teams and a third group of the 12 playoff teams from last season. ...

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Man, you’d think maybe NFL dot com would have something up by now, but nada…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 1:45 PM

I'm betting that PFT has it before nfl.com, especially now that Jasno's involved with nfl.com. Dude doesn't want to know what it feels like to break a story.

I figure we'll know around 4:00. Commish has to sort through 32 real e/m's and then a bunch of spam from "franchises" in Nigeria. Then he has to confirm, plus send his credit card and bank account numbers. We may not know until tomorrow.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Skins get Jarmon with a 3. Not bad.

Posted by: mikesheckels36 | July 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikesheckels36 | July 16, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey al right. SOME NEWS!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Skins get Jarmon with a 3. Not bad.

Posted by: mikesheckels36 | July 16, 2009 1:53 PM

I'm guessing that mikeschekels36 is not an alias for Alex Buzbee or Rob Jackson.

Just checked the roster ... how long has Chris Wilson been gone? I thought they were going to shift him to DE/OLB or some such?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Skins get Jarmon with a 3. Not bad.

Posted by: mikesheckels36 | July 16, 2009 1:53 PM

I'm guessing that mikeschekels36 is not an alias for Alex Buzbee or Rob Jackson.

Just checked the roster ... how long has Chris Wilson been gone? I thought they were going to shift him to DE/OLB or some such?

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I hope this Jarmon guy is for real. It's a pretty good pickup if he is. We need some youth, beef and talent at DE.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes!! I Like I Like!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Skins got him Round 3

Posted by: docjohnson | July 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

where is barno? i am worried about him

Posted by: jpfterps | July 16, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

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