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Jarmon continues to progress in recovery from knee surgery

When news broke last week that at least one current NFL player had been linked to controversial Canadian doctor Anthony Galea, fans weren't the only ones who raced to computers and televisions to try to figure out who was involved. NFL players did, too.

Thus comes the case of Redskins defensive end/linebacker Jeremy Jarmon - who thought he saw the real news on a web site, and then immediately turned to his own Twitter feed to offer his thoughts.

"Crazy to think that one of the biggest faces of the league will be tied to Galea," Jarmon wrote. The tweet was swiftly deleted.

During last week's organized team activities - prior to the news that Santana Moss was one of the NFL players in question -- Jarmon briefly addressed the issue.

"It was just a bunch of speculation that was on a web site, and I just thought that there was some truth to it," Jarmon said. "I'm not a guy that watches a lot of TV. It was just a misunderstanding."

Jarmon did not offer specifics about whom he thought was involved.

"I had just heard something about that [Wednesday], so like on the web site talking about different players and different sports, baseball, I thought that maybe the names and things like that had been brought out," Jarmon said. "But I found out that wasn't the case."


Moving on: The bigger issue involving Jarmon is his health. After tearing his left anterior cruciate ligament Nov. 29 against Philadelphia, Jarmon - a rookie out of Kentucky - spent the rest of the 2009 season on the injured reserve list. He is still working his way back from that injury, and has not participated in the team's minicamp and is doing work on the side during OTAs, which continue this week.

But he sounded optimistic about his progress.

"Physically I'm coming along great," he said. "I'm out here doing a lot of things on the sidelines, slowly working my way back into football shape, and getting back to form. I feel great."

The Redskins took Jarmon, 22, in the third round of the 2009 supplemental draft - essentially making him their third-round pick this year. He played largely on special teams in 2009, appearing in 11 games and getting in on eight tackles. He said last week that he doesn't believe he'll miss any time during training camp.

"The progression from here is -- I'd probably say, after this next six-week period - would be to get down to see Dr. [James] Andrews, get a reassessment, go back through another screening test, some strength tests and things like that," he said. "And from there, communicate with our trainers here and we'll make that decision when the time comes."

By Barry Svrluga  |  May 25, 2010; 6:03 AM ET
 
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Comments

FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse
I actually liked what I saw of JJ last year. Not sure where he would have fallen in this year's draft, but that doesn't matter. You have to pull the trigger at the time, and not look back. He got a full year of training with the team, so he should be better this year. And he is only 22.

Thanks to B Svrlvggga for writing about JJ. I would like to see more updates on roster members who went on IR last year. That's the type of info I'd like to read about in May/June.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 25, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

That torn ACL might have something to say about how much better he is this year.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 25, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:21 AM

Injury and switch to a 3-4. In hindsight...YES

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

fritz, I'm admittedly going on hindsight here, but right now the Jarmon pick looks bad because we certainly could have used that 3rd round pick this year. New regime, new defense...getting a 4-3 DE suddenly looks like a waste when considering we're running a 3-4 now. Would have helped much more to get an OT or maybe an ILB with that pick, IMO.

If he mans that OLB spot admirably, I'll gladly eat a helping of crow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's some Skins-related stuff to kick around:

http://profootball.scout.com/2/970057.html

I was pretty interested by this quote on Colt Brennan:

"A former sixth round pick of the Redskins, Brennan has the potential to become a starting quarterback in the NFL. But, injuries have stalled his progress, and the right opportunity hasn't presented itself. Moving forward, the most important obstacle for Brennan is to stay healthy, because if he does, there's a good chance that he will beat out veteran Rex Grossman for the backup quarterback job behind McNabb."


Wow...if you ask this guy, sounds like we already have our QB of the future...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

bw26-

Thanks for starting the Cult of Brennan discussion. It's been awhile..

First he's going to have to beat out Richard Bartel for the 3 spot. So far the majority of OTA snaps have gone in Bartel's direction.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

No problem Diesel...just glad to get away from the AH topic for a minute.

Oddly enough, this isn't the first time I've heard this kind of confidence in Colt Brennan's game...Skip Bayless seems convinced that Colt will not only be a starting caliber QB in Shanahan's system, but a "star" (his exact word). Bayless is a loudmouth dick and slurps all over the Cowboys every chance he gets, but in all fairness, the guy tends to be right when he digs in his heels about a topic unrelated to TO or LeBron James.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Bw26- I'm not a fan but I don't mind Bayless. He's usually matched up against nitwits in 1st and 10.

Is it possible he's right about Lebron and TO. He's been calling LJ overrated for years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 25, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, I think Bayless is a pompous a-hole, but I still give him his props for being right more often than not. I just think he has a blinding bias when it comes to TO and LeBron...so much so, that he can't give them credit when they do something right/good.

I watch an embarrassing amount of ESPN First Take (ain't sh*t else on at 10 am), and I can tell you that the only nitwits he's up against on 1st and 10 are those idiot "2 Live Stews" and that dipsh*t Rob Parker. Everyone else tends to be at least somewhat smart/interesting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Boy, how did we miss on bringing in this guy? Seems he'd be a good project player at NT:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-dansojourney052410

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-dansojourney052410

ECU! - I gave up my academic scholarship to Harvard to attend ECU

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | May 25, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I'll save my comments on Jarman until after this year, there's still a chance that he moves to DE in the 3-4 and plays well
That website is full of it, not only are they praising Brennan higher than they should, they said Rinehart played well in the 4 starts he made. Didn't he become the starter, and then get benched for a week or two, then because of other injuries he was forced back in, and THEN he got injured? I don't know, someone tell me I'm wrong, but I think he's been one of the more disappointing players on this roster.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste..."

"Injury and switch to a 3-4. In hindsight...YES"

Some of us posted he was a wasted pick months ago as he could've been had this past April in lower rounds.

Who uses a 3rd rounder during the summer to snag a guy for a position--defensive end--where you already have B Orakpo, P Daniels, A Carter, C Wilson, R Jackson, et al. all fighting for playing time?

Vinny Cerrato

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

I'll save my comments on Jarman until after this year, there's still a chance that he moves to DE in the 3-4 and plays well


Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 8:11 AM


monk, the only way Jarmon plays DE in a 3-4 is if he gains a bunch of weight for that transition. From what I've heard, he's supposed to lose weight so he can move to OLB...which to me, makes much more sense.

So yeah...we have no choice but to take a wait and see approach, but I just would have liked to see us have that 3rd rounder for this year's draft to get help elsewhere.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

monk, look at who was running the show, CR got pulled not because he didn't play well, but because VCerrato wanted to pimp his reclaimation project Mwilliams.

RHino, has YET to get put in the lineup and left there...thats the problem with the former staff, they never let anyone marinate in the starting lineup.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:21 AM
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I dsagree. At the time picking Jarmon was the right thing to do. The team had aging guys at defensive end in a 4-3 and Jarmon could have filled that role very well. Now, he really doesn't fit in a 3-4. If you bulk him up to play end or slim him down to play linebacker I cannot see him making much progress this year when you consider he also has to overcome a serious injury. I think it would be great to squirrel him away on IR, let him come all of the way back from injury and then have him do the things needed to make a physical transformation into either position. Barring that, they should trade him, since I can't see him having any impact this season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Who uses a 3rd rounder during the summer to snag a guy for a position--defensive end--where you already have B Orakpo, P Daniels, A Carter, C Wilson, R Jackson, et al. all fighting for playing time?

Vinny Cerrato

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 8:14 AM


Yup. The same guy who drafts Orakpo to play OLB in a 4-3 instead of at DE...where he made a name.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

B Orakpo, P Daniels, A Carter, C Wilson, R Jackson, et al. all fighting for playing time?

moe, CWilson/RJackson arent' full time players, and PDaniels is at the end of his career, so that leaves Rak, and AC.....when you look at it that way, it makes tons of sense....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I dsagree. At the time picking Jarmon was the right thing to do. The team had aging guys at defensive end in a 4-3 and Jarmon could have filled that role very well. Now, he really doesn't fit in a 3-4. If you bulk him up to play end or slim him down to play linebacker I cannot see him making much progress this year when you consider he also has to overcome a serious injury. I think it would be great to squirrel him away on IR, let him come all of the way back from injury and then have him do the things needed to make a physical transformation into either position. Barring that, they should trade him, since I can't see him having any impact this season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:19 AM


First of all, nobody's trading for Jarmon. So let's just get that outta the equation right now.

Secondly, if this team was counting on Jarmon to contribute right away, then that's a telling reason why they're all unemployed right now. I could see taking the gamble on Jarmon if the team decided to draft Oher instead of Orakpo. But they took the best pass rushing DE of the '09 draft and moved him to LB...which is still every bit as retarded as the "swinging gate" shibacle, IMO.

Obviously we have the benefit of hindsight on this (nobody could foresee us switching to a 3-4 in just a year's time), but looking back I think this is a wasted pick.

But again...Jarmon developing into a solid 3-4 OLB changes everything. I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

At the time, the right thing to do was draft an offensive lineman in the supplemental or hold the pick. Jarmon was a wasted opportunity both then and now. Sorry.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

monk, look at who was running the show, CR got pulled not because he didn't play well, but because VCerrato wanted to pimp his reclaimation project Mwilliams.

RHino, has YET to get put in the lineup and left there...thats the problem with the former staff, they never let anyone marinate in the starting lineup.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:19 AM
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This is not the first time I have seen you defending Rhino. Does this make you a Rhino apologist? I'd agree that we haven't seen enough of Rhino to form an opinion. To see him still on the roster says the coaching staff is, at the very least, intrigued. Personally, I don't think he makes it to the regular season on the roster. He's got great upper body strength, but slow feet. That's not an attribute Shanny prefers. In the meantime, might I suggest a new handle for you: MASkins77.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"If New York is awarded the Super Bowl in 2014 then D.C should be awarded the Super Bowl in 2015 since Snyder has been trying to get a Superbowl in FedEx for a long time. I think its unfair that they are even considering New York since Snyder said he was willing to put a roof on Fed Ex and still was denied but yet they would consider New York. What do you guys think? I live in California so i dont know the weather very well on the East coast but i always thought the weather was fairly similar.

Posted by: wattsicon"

One borough in NY is about the size of DC, and they have 7.. It may not be as homey as Dublin, but somebody told me they've got a couple of bucks floating around there..That said, if they put a Super Bowl in that frozen malfunctioning wind tunnel in Jersey in February, yer gawd-dammed right DC should be allowed a Super Bowl!!

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

monk, the only way Jarmon plays DE in a 3-4 is if he gains a bunch of weight for that transition. From what I've heard, he's supposed to lose weight so he can move to OLB...which to me, makes much more sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Sure, he needs to hit the weights, but he can play DE. Look around the league, there are lots of 3-4 DEs in the 270s, 280s range, and look at his scouting coming out of college, they said he could play BOTH DE in a 4-3 AND 3-4. I think we also have a logjam at LB. If you switch him, where does he play? Outside LB? There's Orakpo, Wilson, Carter, Alexander, possibly McIntosh or Blades. What about inside? There's Fletcher, McIntosh, Blades, the dude we got from Buffalo, the guy we just drafted. Where as DE, we have Holliday, Daniels, and Carriker. Sure, some of the other NTs could play DE, but most of the time those other guys will be playing NT. I think he could be used better at DE.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know how to respond to half of what you just said....???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

"At the time, the right thing to do was draft an offensive lineman in the supplemental or hold the pick. Jarmon was a wasted opportunity both then and now. Sorry.

Posted by: Pepper5 "

I wouldn't push him under the subway just yet, he's only 22 and has some potential, he should heal quickly at that age..

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"At the time picking Jarmon was the right thing to do."

At the time, a few weeks after drafting a 'tweener end in Orakpo, the thing to do was add a left/right tackle or hold on to the draft pick.

In any event, the nut job who never drafted people to rebuild the offensive has and squandered draft picks has left the building.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

At the time, the right thing to do was draft an offensive lineman in the supplemental or hold the pick. Jarmon was a wasted opportunity both then and now. Sorry.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:28 AM
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There wasn't an offensive lineman picked in the supplemental draft last year. Yes, they could have held the pick but if you think the Redskins would have gotten Williams first in the draft anyhow, and, if they had stayed in a 4-3, AND Jarmon had not been injured, how would it look today? I'm thinking it would look like a good move. The problem with looking back like that is there are things we know now that we didn't know then. Back then, we had no idea the team would convert to the 3-4 or that Jarmon would get hurt. Remember, he was contributing before his injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

But again...Jarmon developing into a solid 3-4 OLB changes everything. I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:28 AM
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It's a stretch. I think the best thing that could happen for Jarmon is to be traded, but to your point, there's probably not going to be much interest.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I think what you'll find this year is that the Redskins, although they got McNabb, just don't have enough good players to be competitive. One example among many is at linebacker, which frankly was a weakness in a 4-3; switching to a 3-4 only exacerbates the lack of personnel. It's all good though as long as 2011 is seen as a rebuilding project. I'm not so sure it is.

Maybe one of the oldsters or someone from the class of 2008 will shine through, but I would be looking for about five or six wins next year and turmoil at almost every position. I think Shanny's going to be surprised at how *hitty they will be.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I think the best thing that could happen for Jarmon is to be traded,

Guys coming off ACL injuries have a HUGE market....other teams just EAT that stuff up.....We should probably expect a 48th round pick in return....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know how to respond to half of what you just said....???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:32 AM
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Just substitute "Campbell Apologist" for "Rhino Apologist" and maybe it will be clearer. I just miss those old arguments with the guys who vehemently defended Campbell. I was suggesting that maybe you were defending Rhino with the same vigor/lack of logic/fragile hold on reality.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Monk, the LB situation is where we disagree...out of the guys on our roster, the only one I have any real confidence in being able to make the transition is Orakpo. Everyone else is a huge question mark, at best. I mean, we can barely muster up a decent starting 4, let alone provide any real depth. Carriker and Daniels will be solid starting DEs, and Holliday is a good option as a backup. And that's not to mention Haynesworth (if he's still here).

To me, any way you slice it, this team could have used that 3rd rounder this year more than it could Jarmon. Considering this was a deeper draft and we finally had a FO that knows what it's doing making the picks, I just think it would have been a much better scenario to have the pick.

But hey...I certainly hope I'm wrong on this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"The team had aging guys at defensive end in a 4-3 and Jarmon could have filled that role very well."

An unacknowledged hallmark of the Cerrato Personnal Acquisition Administration was that it let both the offensive AND defensive lines fall into age and disrepair.

Folks were always quick to point out the lack of drafted offensive linemen who became starters.

The defensive line has the same issue.

Outside of the high pick used to get Orakpo, Golston, Montgomery, Jackson, and Wilson all came to the team as second thoughts at the end of the draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I think the Jarmon pick was part of a Dumb and Dumber strategy of identifying a need, and then totally overreacting to it by loading up at the position, like they did in the 2008 draft. Orakpo should have been enough.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I think the best thing that could happen for Jarmon is to be traded,

Guys coming off ACL injuries have a HUGE market....other teams just EAT that stuff up.....We should probably expect a 48th round pick in return....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 8:44 AM
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Someone out there would give up a sixth or seventh for him. It's better than cutting him, which could very likely happen. My point was, you either commit to the guy or you don't. If you are committed to the guy, the best thing to do is to squirrel him away for a year until he gets his body right. Heck, it is almost June and he isn't even running yet. If they try to play him, he will end up doing poorly and get cut because he a) doesn't fit today, and b) is not 100% back from injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Outside of the high pick used to get Orakpo, Golston, Montgomery, Jackson, and Wilson all came to the team as second thoughts at the end of the draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 8:46 AM


Moe, I don't even give them credit on the Orakpo pick since they promptly moved him to LB. So let's suffice it to say the Cerrato regime COMPLETELY disrespected the need to build the offensive and defensive lines equally.

I can't even tell you how much LOVE referring to Vinny in the past tense...kinda feel like a rape victim whose attacker is now behind bars for life...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo should have been enough.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM
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That logic only holds true if you make the assumption that they were going to use Orakpo as a full time DE. They weren't. They didn't have a young guy to plug in at DE. I am saying, at the time the move made sense. In hindsight, it looks pretty stupid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Someone out there would give up a sixth or seventh for him. It's better than cutting him, which could very likely happen

I feel like the Aflac duck after reading this.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I think what you'll find this year is that the Redskins, although they got McNabb, just don't have enough good players to be competitive. One example among many is at linebacker, which frankly was a weakness in a 4-3; switching to a 3-4 only exacerbates the lack of personnel. It's all good though as long as 2011 is seen as a rebuilding project. I'm not so sure it is.

Maybe one of the oldsters or someone from the class of 2008 will shine through, but I would be looking for about five or six wins next year and turmoil at almost every position. I think Shanny's going to be surprised at how *hitty they will be.

Posted by: Pepper5

I dig your optimism.


Seriously though, what gives you the impression that they "just don't have enough good players to be competitive"?

Okay, I'll admit they DO have some questions at linebacker. But just because a guy may not have the experience in a system doesn't mean he can't play in it.

Deinitely have a wait and see approach, but to estimate "five or six" wins next year is a little pessimistic, IMO. That'll only be a one or two game improvement from the year before and that's sort of shortchanging them considering they have a REAL coach with a REAL offense in place.

Zorn's suck ass play-calling cost them at least 3 wins last year -- maybe more.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

lol @ beans being in a grumpy mode this morning...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

red, haha, I just don't get it, so we're going to cut jarmon, or trade him for a 6th or 7th rounder??

Orlando finally came to play....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

As for players coming off injuries, Leon Washington (and a seventh) was traded to the Seahawks for their fifth.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Barring that, they should trade him, since I can't see him having any impact this season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:19 AM

8 career tackles and a blown out knee. How many 1st rounder should we ask for?

Posted by: mack1 | May 25, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, we DEFINATELY disagree. Where in your wildest dreams do you plan on playing him at LB??? Orakpo and Carter will do the rushing, and I think Wilson might push Carter for playing time, do you think Jarmon has the speed/athleticism to rush the passer standing up all the time? I know he's not built for playing inside, and McIntosh (not my favorite player, but the next best inside backer next to Fletcher on the team) will start next to Fletcher. I would love to invent a time machine and b*tch slap Vinny the exact moment he sends our 3rd round pick for Jarmon, but we can't change that now. So since we are STUCK with him, I feel pushing him to hit the weights and sticking him at DE is the best bet, Daniels and Holliday aren't spring chickens any more, DE needs some youth there. But, we can agree to disagree!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Boston is just biding their time.

They want to end it in Orlando. I'm picking Boston to win every game in that series, even if they make it to seven.

Which they won't.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

As for players coming off injuries, Leon Washington (and a seventh) was traded to the Seahawks for their fifth.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:11 AM


I get what you're sayin' Red, but you're talking about an electric RB/KR/PR vs. a rookie DE. Very different values there....

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Red, I hope you're right.

I think the switch to 3-4 will set the D back. Linebacker position is going to be worrisome. They don't have a starting free safety, and I'm not a big Meangelo fan. AH and the new/old linemen are question marks at this point. Hopefully some of that gets resolved or Carricker shines through but it's a hope not much more.

On offense, you just have to have faith in guys like Devin Thomas or one of the old running backs be outstanding. I just don't see it. I don't think Thomas or Kelly are NFL starters. Moss will sit four games. Of course the biggest issue is still the line and there's still no depth and still questions at both tackle positions. McNabb has Cooley, Davis, and his own legs to run the offense with.

Last but not least, special teams is totally being revamped, a work in progress...who knows?

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Someone out there would give up a sixth or seventh for him. It's better than cutting him, which could very likely happen. My point was, you either commit to the guy or you don't. If you are committed to the guy, the best thing to do is to squirrel him away for a year until he gets his body right. Heck, it is almost June and he isn't even running yet. If they try to play him, he will end up doing poorly and get cut because he a) doesn't fit today, and b) is not 100% back from injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

No one's going to give up anything for Jarmon until he proves that he is fully recovered from his injury, and he can only do that by playing in preseason and regular-season games. It amazes me how some of the posters on this blog are ready to give up on the guy and say that he was a wasted pick after less than one full season of play. The Jarmon I saw last year played pretty well when he was in the games. True, he was drafted as a 4-3 D-end, but he is listed at 277 pounds, and it shouldn't be that big a deal for him to add 15 or so pounds to reach optimal weight for a 3-4 D-end, if that's what the coaches want him to do. And you can't really lopk at injury to determine whether a guy was a wasted pick; there was no way of forseeing that when he was drafted, and there's certainly no guarrantee that, if they had kept the pick, the guy they would have drafted this year would not have gotten hurt in his rookie year, too.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 25, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo should have been enough.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM
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That logic only holds true if you make the assumption that they were going to use Orakpo as a full time DE. They weren't. They didn't have a young guy to plug in at DE. I am saying, at the time the move made sense. In hindsight, it looks pretty stupid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, but look at that team in Spring of '09 and tell me that Orakpo + Jarmon was the best use of those picks. Then add on top the idiocy of drafting Orakpo as a LB. None of it makes sense imho. But the witch is dead, we can move on.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"I think the Jarmon pick was part of a Dumb and Dumber strategy of identifying a need, and then totally overreacting to it by loading up at the position, like they did in the 2008 draft. Orakpo should have been enough.

Posted by: Pepper5 "

And the main reason we couldn't get any pressure on the QB was because of Blatches soft zone defense..Now we're switching to a 3-4 and are clusterf*cked beyond recognition..Vinnies Head made of boogers will be prominently displayed in the Redskins Hall Of Shame for-ever...

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Monk, you have a lot of faith in our LBs...Carter has already proven he CAN'T play a 3-4 and Wilson's lengthy tenure here is more a damning of the previous regime's inability to properly address the D-line than it is saying anything good about Wilson's play. I'm not saying he CAN'T be a good LB, but I'm saying it's far from a lock.

This 3-4 switch is going to be accompanied by some growing pains. With only about 2 real nice pieces to build around, this defense is far from being OK...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

.....I can't even tell you how much LOVE referring to Vinny in the past tense...kinda feel like a rape victim whose attacker is now behind bars for life...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 8:52 AM
.........................

...making beaucoup $ explaining his rape techniques to anyone who'll listen. the guy got a job...in football...as an analyst! amazing....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Its waaaaay to early to write of Jarmon. Wow. We have excused every bone head move from the WRs as a "learning" curve but we are ready to scrap heap Jarmon? Its not his fault he got caught in a regime change and blew out his knee. Also I have read upteen times that the defense will be Hybrid, so I am guessing they will have packages for the the type of Player Jarmon is.

Let's let siht play out a bit, dam. Hindsight is for toolz anyway. Anyone care to explain how they knew all along the Nazi's shouldn't have invaded Russia during the winter or maybe said Pres Kennedy should stay outta Dallas?

F pimping your hindsight...put your sack on the line and make some bold predictions about this year, any half wit keyboard jockey make retroactive proclamations.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 25, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I do agree with you on that one brownwood, our D is far from perfect, I'm just arranging the sh*tty cards that were dealt.
I think with Carter, he was thrown into LB in SanFran and was asked to do a lot of things, with this 3-4 they should scheme to his strengths, in which he has 2, picking apples from a 30 foot tree (the man has freakeshly long arms) and rushing the passer.
With Wilson, he was never given the chance. Look back to when Daniels got injured and we blew our load all over Jason Taylor. We could have stayed pat and had Wilson and Evans92 rotate, but we had no confidence.
The whole story behind this franchise in the last 10-12 years has been waste, wasted picks, players, coaches, just wasted years, and I'm SICK OF IT, this team needs to come on and bring another title back.
Hey, maybe McNabb will bring some pickle juice with him.....

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

F pimping your hindsight...put your sack on the line and make some bold predictions about this year, any half wit keyboard jockey make retroactive proclamations.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 25, 2010 9:31 AM


If you've been paying attention, I already have by saying Jarmon isn't an ideal fit for a 3-4 and therefore is not in the team's future plans. I said he was a bad pick...just because my reasoning is the result of hindsight doesn't make the prediction any less bold. Hindsight is only lame in this case if Jarmon has already written the book on his career...which he hasn't.

But if it's bold prections you want, here's some more:

- The starting RB will be a guy not named Portis, Johnson, or Parker.

- The 3-4 switch will set the Skins D back. We'll have more turnovers, but will rank lower in points allowed and yards allowed.

- The offense will be much better with the Shanahans and McNabb at QB. Devin Thomas will benefit the most and have a 1,000 yard season.

- Terrell Owens will be a Redskin if/when Santana Moss gets suspended.

Enjoy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Someone out there would give up a sixth or seventh for him. It's better than cutting him, which could very likely happen. My point was, you either commit to the guy or you don't. If you are committed to the guy, the best thing to do is to squirrel him away for a year until he gets his body right. Heck, it is almost June and he isn't even running yet. If they try to play him, he will end up doing poorly and get cut because he a) doesn't fit today, and b) is not 100% back from injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

No one's going to give up anything for Jarmon until he proves that he is fully recovered from his injury, and he can only do that by playing in preseason and regular-season games. It amazes me how some of the posters on this blog are ready to give up on the guy and say that he was a wasted pick after less than one full season of play. The Jarmon I saw last year played pretty well when he was in the games. True, he was drafted as a 4-3 D-end, but he is listed at 277 pounds, and it shouldn't be that big a deal for him to add 15 or so pounds to reach optimal weight for a 3-4 D-end, if that's what the coaches want him to do. And you can't really lopk at injury to determine whether a guy was a wasted pick; there was no way of forseeing that when he was drafted, and there's certainly no guarrantee that, if they had kept the pick, the guy they would have drafted this year would not have gotten hurt in his rookie year, too.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 25, 2010 9:19 AM
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I think you have to do more than pack on pounds to switch from a 4-3 end to a 3-4 end. If Jarmon was more of a speed move guy, he is going to have to relearn the position. A 3-4 end is more like a forklift. You get under your guy, redirect, and drive. You're a bulldozer clearing lanes for linebackers. I think Haslett looked at Jarmon and thought he wasn't the kind of player that was ever going to be a bulldozer, so he said, "linebacker". Either way, I think it is asking too much to have him come back from injury and transform himself into a different kind of player. That's why I suggest he contract one of those "mystery ailments" that will get him on IR. He can spend time in preseason, but then, just before the regular season starts, IR time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Incidentally, they should not have drafted this guy because it wasn’t until July that they got him if memory serves. That means he missed a bunch of mini camps and OTA’s, so there was obviously no chance for the guy to be in shape or learn the defense, or help build team chemistry. He should have been there……sarcasm off.

Jarmon’s gonna make the squad. He was playing very well last year, plays special teams and is described as very smart. Rocky and Carlos came back from the same injuries (I think) in just as little time and didn’t seem to be hindered. And someone reiterated the “hybrid 3-4” point….they will find a way to use this guy.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

monk811, referring to andre carter you said,
"the man has freakeshly long arms"

i remember watching a game back in the day and charlie brown was walking back to the huddle after making a catch. without bending over or breaking stride he nonchalantly reached down and adjusted his knee-pad - pulling it back down below his knee.... my buddy and i just looked at each other and gasped, "did you see that?!?!"

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

One player who is not planning to attend June 17 is Arrington, co-host of his own radio show, opposite's Snyder's station, on WJFK radio's 106.7 FM. (Full disclosure: I co-host a show there, too).

"Dan Snyder has to talk to me before I do anything for a team that he owns," said Arrington, who cites a deep, personal rift with the owner. "Unofficially, I am very involved with a lot of the players. Talking to and mentoring former teammates, whatever they need. But before I ever do anything or go to a practice, I need to talk to Dan Snyder and be heard. There would have to be a discussion where a lot of issues are resolved."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/24/AR2010052403882_2.html


This is what you call a hypocrite. Classic. Attacked by Portis as being fake, and he took the 'Holy Roller' stance. But now, he has taken the CP26 stance when he was talking about LaVar being fake on a deep, personal level.

Wow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

pepper5/brownwood,


Just because you have questions doesn't mean it isn't going to work. I understand skepticism or holding back on enthusiasms, (believe me I do) but lets gather some proof via play on the field before its decided that it isn't going to work.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

4th, nailed it...I'm just not sure who cares what lemar has to say anymore..other than lemar....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Walter, I missed that. I don't really remember Charlie Brown having long arms, but now I'm trying to remember whose hands were the highest when the fun bunch did the leap.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or has RI gone downhill a bit since the hiring of MS? I know it is the offseason, but damn.

No JC bashing...No Corny Zorny.. No Bingo callers to talk about.. No crazy draft picks.. NO VINNY..

Is this was a professionally run organization feels like?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, where have you read that Jarmon is supposed to lose weight and transition to OLB? I haven't seen that. The only players I've seen singled out as transitioning from DE to OLB have been Orakpo, Wilson, Carter, and Alexander. Last year he played at around 278 lbs. That leaves about a 12 lb gap to where you'd like him to be as a 3-4 end. Coming off ACL surgery, it's actually easier to gain weight than lose it, due to the constant barrage of lifting that you need to do for rehab (I know from experience, I've torn mine twice). I'd be very surprised to see Jarmon playing OLB at all next season.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

OK Red, make the case for it working at this point...besides the obvious fact that the coaches are better.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I Zorn bash every time his name is brought up.

And just because I haven't got one in today:


F Jim Zorn

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

FIRST to say the Jarmon pick was a waste...
Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 6:21 AM

To say this about JJ, and then to say this:

Wow...if you ask this guy, sounds like we already have our QB of the future...
Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

is terrible. You should have your posting abilities taken away for a day. So a promising players with actual NFL regular season playing time is a bust, but ashoddy fourth quarter preseason wonderboy is a future nfl qb... not seeing this.

Nobody ever said we will not run 4-3 fronts. In those cases Jeremy Jarmon may very well turn into a valuable asset or even possible trade bait is he gets enough exposure. Dont forget that if he had played his senior year most people projected his stock to rise to a second rounder. Colt has shown us everything he has already.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 25, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It was really really good forward moving article...until the last few paragraphs that included Arrington. Even BMitch had a renewed sense of what was going on now as big as a SnyderSkins hater he is, which I would have said surpassed Lavar's hatered of Snyder's team before the new regime came in.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

We're getting there SkinsFan, we're getting there. Our little Danny is growing up so fast, not getting any taller, but still growing up, making better grown up decisions......

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"There would have to be a discussion where a lot of issues are resolved."

Lavar still has about 6 million issues left with Snyder, which is whats stuck in his craw for so long. But if Snyder can kiss and make up with BMitch, then Lavar can get off his high horse and let by gones be by gones.

LA is always bragging about loving us fans so much, then he should suck it up and make good with this organization for that reason alone.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 25, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks the Jarmon pick was a waste doesn't know football. He is 22, would have been drafted in round 1 or 2 this year. He is also big enough to play end in a 3-4 or quick enough to play a rush OLB. He will have 5 sacks this year.

Posted by: ryan_conaway | May 25, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Stu, where did I say Jarmon is a bust? I said I don't like his chances to stick in this switch to the 3-4. The book on him hasn't been written yet, but I'd have a much more optimistic view of him going forward if we were still running a 4-3.

And I get what psps23 is saying...but also bear in mind that the worst thing you could do is put MORE weight on a bad knee. If anything, that scenario sets him back.

Don't get me wrong...I'm willing to give the guy a chance. I'm just of the opinion that he's not gonna be as good for us as whatever player we could have had in the 3rd round of this year's draft. Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Is it me or has RI gone downhill a bit since the hiring of Mike Shanahan?"

The phrase 'going down' is a relative one.

Sometimes, 'going down' is a good thing.

Others, 'going down' bespeaks a drop in quality or effectiveness.

Folks just aren't generating quality jibba-jabba for whateva reason.

Which is why, for right now, going down sucks.

And,ironically, that's not a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

JArmon wasn't a wasted pick...hindsight is the worst thing to base 'would've/could've/should'ves' on. To be a leader, you have to pick w/o worrying about what people are going to think. You pick, and move on. JArmon is going to be a beast for us as a 3-4 DE....eventually...may not be this year but by his year 4 at the latest......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If anyone can link me to the articles im missing where it explains our switch to a base 3-4 D with no 4-3 involved please do. i seem to be under a false impression where we will do a hybrid of both but is seems to many that we will be an exclusive 3-4 base. Which no we do not have the personnel to effectively run.

Posted by: Stu27 | May 25, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

going down sucks

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that what Vinny used to say before his "weekly meetings" with Dan Snyder last year?

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

OK Red, make the case for it working at this point...besides the obvious fact that the coaches are better.

Posted by: Pepper5

Honestly? I can't.


But I could flip it and ask you how do you know that it won't... besides the fact that most of these guys never played in a 3-4.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

How about those Magic last night Greg? Now they go back to Orlando for a game 5; have you started to get the butterflies yet? Boston knows all about those 3-0 series leads; they've been on both ends of the stick with the Red Sox and Bruins in recent years.

Oh, and whoever tried to argue with me that Vince Carter wasn't as washed up as Shaq should shove their foot in their mouths. Carter is awful. Not that Shaq is great, but I don't think I've ever seen a supposed "superstar" get abused as badly as Carter did last night in a playoff game. Stephon Marbury was better for the Celtics last year than Carter has been for the Magic this series.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

OK Red, make the case for it working at this point...besides the obvious fact that the coaches are better.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

how would you BARTEL is getting the majority of the snaps? If given the opportunity, Colt will shine. The kid can play and i'm not saying that either because i am a UH alum.

Posted by: SkinzVA73 | May 25, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Ray Allen is Money in the Bank.....I am ready to call him the purest shooter ever in the game....

His shots are 80% 'Nothing but Net'....

..And his mother dresses real clean as well....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 9:54 AM

you know, now that i'm thinking about it it could have been that "little monkey" alvin garrett, but i thought it was brown. it was one of those two, definitely (probably). funny how memory works (or doesn't....)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Sorry double post

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 25, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I like to bash Soup, Zoron and Vinny just for fun.

Can't wait for CP26 to rush for 1300-1400 yards this year.

Orakpo gets 17 sacks, Hall gets 6 ints, Landry plays SS like an animal and DT11 goes to the Probowl. He's this years Miles Austin.(without the gay uniform)

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

His shots are 80% 'Nothing but Net'....

..And his mother dresses real clean as well....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 10:28 AM


And now thanks to the Dolphins FO, we know there's a direct correlation between the two...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"OK Red, make the case for it working at this point...besides the obvious fact that the coaches are better.

Posted by: Pepper5"

You could argue the 3-4 better uses our personnel and makes us deeper at the LB position. Players like Orakpo and Wilson were our 4-3 SLBs last year, both starter and backup. They had no business being there. This year playing as 3-4 OLBs, they have a much more comfortable role that plays to their strengths and masks their weaknesses. All of a sudden, OLB goes from a weakness to a strength. And our D-line (thanks to FA) is loaded with 3-4 players. Kemoeatu, Carriker, Holiday, and Daniels are all built to play 3-4. Haynesworth, as much as he wants to complain, can easily play in this system as well as he can in a 4-3. Then there are the plethora of no-name guys that we brought in that I don't really care to look the names up until they actually make the team.

The players really hurt by this transition are Carter, Golston, and Jarmon. I don't buy the BS that Fletcher and McIntosh don't fit in a 3-4, because both easily match the size and athleticism of ILBs in Dallas and Pittsburgh. The secondary is unfazed by this transition.

This system hurts some players, helps others. In my estimation, the entire transition is based on unleashing the future of this defense: Orakpo. Yes, we lose some of Carter and Golston, but at the benefit of Orakpo, Wilson, and the defensive linemen we brought in for the transition, I'd say it's worth it.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

He's this years Miles Austin.(without the gay uniform)

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 10:31 AM


LOL...great post, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

And I get what psps23 is saying...but also bear in mind that the worst thing you could do is put MORE weight on a bad knee. If anything, that scenario sets him back.

Don't get me wrong...I'm willing to give the guy a chance. I'm just of the opinion that he's not gonna be as good for us as whatever player we could have had in the 3rd round of this year's draft. Just my opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse
_________

Jarmon appears to be a decent guy and has the potential to be a good player, so he won't be a "bust" in the classic sense, but it was a wasted draft pick given the Redskins circumstances at the time. In my view, a team should draft a 3rd rounder with an eye towards developing a future starter. Unfortunately, even in a 4-3 setting, DE was one of the few areas that the Skins were loaded at the time, relatively speaking, without a starting job coming open any time soon. 'Rak (in his true 4-3 position, DE as opposed to 4-3-style LB) and Carter = clear cut starters for several years, with a number of quality backups (Wilson, Daniels, etc.). I think the 'Skins had other needs to address besides DE - this selection struck me at the time as a classic "Vinny" pick - just randomly hit "go" without thinking simply because of the player's position on Vinney's stupid, magic board. Now, as I said, Jarmon may end up being pretty good, but surely we can all agree that the Skins had other, more pressing needs than a luxury item like another 4-3 DE. Will he fit into a 3-4? I'm not so sure he will - hopefully so.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 10:22 AM

Carter has not been the Magic's problem. He has been OK until last night. No one expects Carter to be Vinsanity these days. Their problem all along in this series has been Jameer Nelson. He played well last night and they won even with Carter having a bad shooting night. Nelson playing well made things easier for Howard. And Stan Van Gundy is, as Shaq said, "the master of panic." Why he keeps slowing his team down to play half-court against Boston's D is beyond my comprehension.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone makes a huge deal out of this 3-4, 4-3 thing. It's football, not rocket science, you run, block and tackle. These guys have been doing it their entire lives. Does it really matter if there are 3 defensive linemen up front instead of 4?No. Everybody up here tries to diagnose the exact height and weight of every player, as if somehow that will have some huge bearing on their performance on defense. Give it a rest. I simply skip over reading some bloggers post about the pros and cons of the 3-4/4-3 defense.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Ray Allen is Money in the Bank.....I am ready to call him the purest shooter ever in the game....

Posted by: 4thFloor

'Da Logo' sent me a text asking me were me, him, and, how he put it, "that bama from French Lick" still going to go clubbin' this Saturday.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Sometimes I like to bash Soup,..."


I believe Jason Campbell will be a godsend for the Oakland Raiders.

Why?: Nothing motivates an athlete out to prove folks wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Carter is garbage.

Celts will be fine. Would have been nice for them to get some rest for LA though.

Jesus Shuttlesworth is pure filth.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

And I mean that in a good way.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I believe Jason Campbell will be a godsend for the Oakland Raiders.

Why?: Nothing motivates an athlete out to prove folks wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the less humid air of the Bay area will prevent him from having to breath with his mouth open so frequently.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Carter is garbage.

Celts will be fine. Would have been nice for them to get some rest for LA though.

Jesus Shuttlesworth is pure filth.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse
_______

It doesn't matter how much rest the old, old, celtics get. They're going to go down under the power of a motivated, (mostly) healthy, and "clicking on on cylinders" Lakers team.

Go Lakers!

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

How about those Magic last night Greg? Now they go back to Orlando for a game 5; have you started to get the butterflies yet?


yeah, the celts played lousy, and Orlando STILL needed overtime to beat them....so yeah, worried, sick, throwing up, all that stuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

(mostly) healthy, and "clicking on on cylinders" Lakers team.

did someone loan gasol some balls?? and is Bynum playing in game #4??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, how is Carter "garbage?" Tell me what more he's supposed to be doing on this team at this stage of his career.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I think what hasn't been talked about much has been the dedication CP26 has shown. Sure, he threw Campbell under the bus a few months ago, but he got that out of his system, and now he's 'behaving'. He's been at EVERY workout, minicamp, OTA, and he looks amazing, I've never seen him so slim and ready to play. I think he breaks 1,500 yards and makes the probowl, forces Larry Johnson back on the street, again!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

(mostly) healthy, and "clicking on on cylinders" Lakers team.

did someone loan gasol some balls?? and is Bynum playing in game #4??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse
________

How many times do I need to tell you, Gasol isn't anything like the player he was two years ago. He's been the best, most consistent big man in the playoffs this year, and yes, that includes your beloved Garnett.

I don't especially care if Bynum plays tonight or not. PJ said yesterday that he will, so I guess the answer is yes, but I think we can and will beat Phoenix with or without him, so I'd almost rather him just sit out the rest of the series to get ready for Perkins. Unfortunately, he has a partial meniscus tear, though, and speaking from experience, I'm not sure a week off is really going to do anything. It's just a pain management thing, and while I give him props for manning up and being out there, he's not been the same dominant force he was since the tear in late April. And that's the best news the celtics are going to hear.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

LAkers do look destined.

Lebron looks foolish.

Celtics may be this year's 1990s NYNicks in the finals.

Wizards look like every other year since early 80s.

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

What kind of glasses would Satan wear?? I say the tinted or mirror aviators like state troopers and B-52 bomber pilots wear..Or Hunter Thompson..Blacker than the black hole that ate God during the Solar Eclipse..Blacker than the Baltimore gutter that Poe died in..Paint the whole motherf***er black...just sayin'..

Posted by: frak | May 25, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Just watched the final episode of 24...what a rip-off...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

How many times do I need to tell you, Gasol isn't anything like the player he was two years ago

I couldn't care less how many times you try and convince yourself of this, he's gonna melt when confronted by KG....he's soft...period...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think everyone makes a huge deal out of this 3-4, 4-3 thing. It's football, not rocket science, you run, block and tackle. These guys have been doing it their entire lives...

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 10:45 AM


Try telling Albert Haynesworth that.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

what a rip-off...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:15 AM

Watched it at like 2am last night...and COSIGN!!!!!

When can I speak on it w/o spoiling it for the Hulu/DVR watchers??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

3-4, 4-3 what's the big deal? you say. Subtle change in the front causes AH to cause a big fuss. five sometimes six OL against three DL you better make sure they're big and strong otherwise we will get run on all day. And I haven't even mentioned the importance size for the LB. SO YES SIZE ABSOLUTELY MATTERS if you want a successful NFL defense. Orakpo/clay mathews types big enough to take on OL in run support but quick enough to get to the QB. My goodness SIZE MATTERS.

Posted by: sthai75 | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

KG v. Gasol is a wash.

The real match-up problem for LA is Rondo. Fisher can't match his speed and I don't think Phil wants Kobe playing D against him the whole series.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

did someone loan gasol some balls?? and is Bynum playing in game #4??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

How are you going to be 7' and shoot fading runners/leaners/jumpers IN THE PAINT?!?!?!

Gasol pisses me off with that crap, and I swear Bynum bruises his t'wat at the most inopportune times. Dude is as fragile as Gasol is soft.


That said:

GO LA!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think what hasn't been talked about much has been the dedication CP26 has shown. Sure, he threw Campbell under the bus a few months ago, but he got that out of his system, and now he's 'behaving'. He's been at EVERY workout, minicamp, OTA, and he looks amazing, I've never seen him so slim and ready to play. I think he breaks 1,500 yards and makes the probowl, forces Larry Johnson back on the street, again!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Chest bump

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

ppstr8, if Phil Jackson knows better, he'll have Kobe check Rondo.

Kobe/Rondo
Artest/Pierce
Fisher/Allen
Bynum/Perkins
Gasol/Garnett

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Try telling Albert Haynesworth that.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 25, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I would, just not to his face.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Can you guys just put up a “****spoiler alert******” if you’re gonna talk 24? Preciate it…..

What’s with the NFL’s fascination/love fest with New York? The owners are pretty much set to vote the 2014 Super Bowl to be in New York; a cold weather stadium without a roof. I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but I will go on record now as saying I won’t be surprised if the NFL does all it can to get the Giants or Jets (or both) to the Super Bowl that year. I would expect to see another Tuck Rule or bad calllike the Broncos/Chargers game work out to the Giants benefit that year. Or maybe another “away” game for them played in their own stadium. I know it’s petty and mostly unfounded, but it just really seems like the Giants are the NFL’s baby……….wah.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

When can I speak on it w/o spoiling it for the Hulu/DVR watchers??????

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM


I'd be willing to wait until tomorrow. Anyone who waits beyond that just doesn't care enough.

But without giving it away, they left a lot of stuff up in the air and didn't really give us a send off worthy of a series finale. Fans of the show want everything tied up in a neat little bow so we can feel like we didn't waste the last 8 years of our lives watching...24 gave us no such closure.

I'm willing to give 'em a pass since this was probably already done before they knew the show wouldn't be renewed, but it still kinda leaves me at a loss.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Jarmon appears to be a decent guy and has the potential to be a good player, so he won't be a "bust" in the classic sense, but it was a wasted draft pick given the Redskins circumstances at the time. In my view, a team should draft a 3rd rounder with an eye towards developing a future starter. Unfortunately, even in a 4-3 setting, DE was one of the few areas that the Skins were loaded at the time, relatively speaking, without a starting job coming open any time soon. 'Rak (in his true 4-3 position, DE as opposed to 4-3-style LB) and Carter = clear cut starters for several years, with a number of quality backups (Wilson, Daniels, etc.).

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I do not agree that Jarmon was a wasted pick given the 'Skins' circumstances at the time. The team DID have a need at left DE last year, a need that Jarmon was drafted to fill. Starting Orakpo and Carter at the 2 defensive end slots would not have worked, because both lack the ideal size to play on the left side, and neither plays with sufficient strength at the point of attack to be an every-down player on that side. In a 4-3, your LDE must be strong against the run because most offenses are right-handed and tend to run more to the side where the extra blocker (the tight end) lines up, which is usually the offensive right side. Neither Orakpo nor Carter fits this description. Two years ago, we tried playing an under-sized, pass-rushing DE on the left side (Jason Taylor), and it didn't work out. Playing either Orakpo or Carter full-time on the left side wouldn't have worked any better.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 25, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How many times do I need to tell you, Gasol isn't anything like the player he was two years ago. He's been the best, most consistent big man in the playoffs this year, and yes, that includes your beloved Garnett.

Posted by: skinsfan713

Funny how in your defense of Gasoft, you ignore the fact that he's faced the front lines of the Oklahoma City Thunder and Utah Jazz in the first two rounds.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

3-4, 4-3 what's the big deal? you say. Subtle change in the front causes AH to cause a big fuss. five sometimes six OL against three DL you better make sure they're big and strong otherwise we will get run on all day. And I haven't even mentioned the importance size for the LB. SO YES SIZE ABSOLUTELY MATTERS if you want a successful NFL defense. Orakpo/clay mathews types big enough to take on OL in run support but quick enough to get to the QB. My goodness SIZE MATTERS.

Posted by: sthai75 | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I read like the first two lines of this and stopped.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Folks,
JJ is a good athlete, with good feet.
If he can beep up this year, while playing special teams, and come in next year about 15 lbs of muscle heavier, he could be a very good athletic DE in a 3-4 at 290 lbs.

Don't give up on athletic people so quickly.
Find a spot / role for them

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BG, seriously, KG doesn't scare anyone these days least of all Gasol. He is a once great player on the downside of his career. He's avging 10 ppg in this series. Rondo and Pierce (and RAllen to some degree) are the guys with whom the Lakers have to concern themselves.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

KG v. Gasol is a wash.

The real match-up problem for LA is Rondo. Fisher can't match his speed and I don't think Phil wants Kobe playing D against him the whole series.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse
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Yeah, that's the key for LA. I think Farmar and Shannon Brown are going to end up playing more, 'cause we'll need Kobe to play his classic shut down D on Ray Allen. The may have to rotate assignments based on whether Allen or Rondo is hotter at the critical moments. Other matchups are favorable. A relatively healthy Bynum vs Perkins favors Bynum; gimpy Bynum vs. Perkins is a draw. Gasol vs Garnett is a wash at best, although I still think Gasol is motivated enough to come out slightly ahead; Kobe vs. Allen = Advantage Kobe; Crazy Pills Artest most certainly has the ability to shut down Pierce, and of everyone on the team besides Kobe, he's the most motivated - he promised Kobe two years ago that he'd be here for this exact situation, and he's talked all year about how important a ring is to him. Artest is going to be a monster against Pierce.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

celts/magic,
though 'sheed's no slouch, i'd have to give the magic the edge in terms of gawd-awful, extensively-tattooed players.

how do you think "ink" figures into this series, and presumably the celts/lakers series? of the remaining teams/players, who has the most gawd-awful tattoos? and who has the most extensive ones? could you assemble an all-star team, by position based on ink? and who'll be the most sorry when they're 50?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes. Agree that's what the Lakers do when they need stops.

Not sure they want Kobe on Rondo for whole games/series though. Seems like a lot of work for a guy that just had his knee drained.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

the Giants are the NFL’s baby……….wah.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that an oxymoron? Maybe the NFL's babies are the Colts (young horse) and the Cowboys (not because they are boys, but because they just suck real bad)
Sorry, bad joke but had to do it.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why you all are talking Celtics/Lakers. The Magic are making history this postseason, and Phoenix is bringing the pain on LA in game 4.

Posted by: psps23 | May 25, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I read like the first two lines of this and stopped.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 11:33 AM |


lol...dOOsh.

Posted by: sthai75 | May 25, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

the Giants are the NFL’s baby……….wah.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that an oxymoron? Maybe the NFL's babies are the Colts (young horse) and the Cowboys (not because they are boys, but because they just suck real bad)
Sorry, bad joke but had to do it.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I still think the NFL could make some serious coin branding NFL baby diapers. I would be every baby I know a 64 pack of "Cowboy" diapers.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I think what hasn't been talked about much has been the dedication CP26 has shown. Sure, he threw Campbell under the bus a few months ago, but he got that out of his system, and now he's 'behaving'. He's been at EVERY workout, minicamp, OTA, and he looks amazing, I've never seen him so slim and ready to play. I think he breaks 1,500 yards and makes the probowl, forces Larry Johnson back on the street, again!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:04 AM
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Haven't seen him but I'll take your word that he is in shape. I worry that he might be one of the guys who used HGH, but if he is, he takes the four game suspension and then gets on with life.

I want Johnson in the backfield. I think a Portis-Johnson tandem will put some fear in the hearts of defenses in the NFC. I suspect Portis has slimmed down for speed. Let Johnson bulk up for power. We will need someone who can push the pile on third and inches and Johnson could do that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

What’s with the NFL’s fascination/love fest with New York?

Posted by: dlhaze1


I've been asking myself this question since forever. It's a big reason why people OUTSIDE of NY don't care for it all that much. You get the feeling that they, the residence, think they have this sense of entitlement.

They were talking about the 9/11 incident and how they're paying homage to that... Really? in 2014? 13 years later? Hey guess, what? A plane also crashed a stones throw from where I work, but I don't hear anything about them playing a Super Bowl in D.C.

Sorry, but that "homage to 9/11" or "rewarding them for gutting out during the recession while building a new stadium" thing bunch of horsesh*t. "Horsesh*t". They want to play in New York simply because as far as generating revenue for that week will be off the meters. You're talking about the most populated city in the country with boatloads of crap to do.

But whatever, I wouldn't mind seeing a snowy game. Playing football in the snow is fun, and watching it on HD is kinda cool too... looking forward to it...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

You left out Odom.

Other than Kobe and Gasol, I think he's the 1 guy that can create mismatches on the offensive end for the Lakers.

Sheed/Perkins/Big Baby can handle Bynum. I don't think any of those 3 can cover Odom.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 25, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Not sure they want Kobe on Rondo for whole games/series though. Seems like a lot of work for a guy that just had his knee drained.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | May 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse
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His knee is fine. PJ will only put Kobe on Rondo if the situation really goes south - same thing that happened with Westbrook against OKC. At the end of the day, Fisher is one of the long time stalwarts, and PJ will most likely live or die with him out there at the end of the game. The key is who he's defending.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that an oxymoron? Maybe the NFL's babies are the Colts (young horse) and the Cowboys (not because they are boys, but because they just suck real bad)
Sorry, bad joke but had to do it.

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 11:35 AM


Monk, the funny thing is, I would rank the Redskins as the best team in terms of who would win in an actual fight between the mascots. I mean, Native Americans were adept at hunting so that eliminates all teams named after animals. Chargers are out since you can't aim lightning bolts and the Cowboys wouldn't get a 2nd shot at taking our land. Titans might give us a fight, but the bow and arrow trumps a sword. Now all we need to do is to get the NFL standings to reflect that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM

This only makes sense if the logo is on the inside. Don't see the NFL licensing its products for the purpose of having its teams' trademarks pee'd and crapped upon.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 11:03 AM

Tell me what he's EVER done of accomplishment in his "career", other than become an expert at faking injuries?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

But whatever, I wouldn't mind seeing a snowy game. Playing football in the snow is fun, and watching it on HD is kinda cool too... looking forward to it...
Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:44 AM
I agree…snow games rule, and it’s not like I’m gonna have tickets and complain that it isn’t being played in Miami or San Diego. I think the NFL offices are in NYC, so that probably has a lot to do with it…a little bit of subliminal influence I suppose. If the NFL offices were in DC you would probably see more push for a DC superbowl, and the draft would probably be there as well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Monk, the funny thing is, I would rank the Redskins as the best team in terms of who would win in an actual fight between the mascots. I mean, Native Americans were adept at hunting so that eliminates all teams named after animals. Chargers are out since you can't aim lightning bolts and the Cowboys wouldn't get a 2nd shot at taking our land. Titans might give us a fight, but the bow and arrow trumps a sword. Now all we need to do is to get the NFL standings to reflect that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:46 AM
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THE BUREAUCRACY beats them all...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

A relatively healthy Bynum vs Perkins favors Bynum; gimpy Bynum vs. Perkins is a draw. Gasol vs Garnett is a wash at best, although I still think Gasol is motivated enough to come out slightly ahead; Kobe vs. Allen = Advantage Kobe; Crazy Pills Artest most certainly has the ability to shut down Pierce, and of everyone on the team besides Kobe, he's the most motivated - he promised Kobe two years ago that he'd be here for this exact situation, and he's talked all year about how important a ring is to him. Artest is going to be a monster against Pierce.


Posted by: skinsfan713


Why even give "analysis" on the Lakers/C's if you're going to be a kool-aid sipping homer?

Jeezus!

"gimpy Bynum vs. Perkins is a draw"

Bynum isn't the most athletic guy in the world. So on a bad wheel, how exactly is that match-up a draw. Perkins will be able to conserve some energy on D when checking Bynum, assuming he's going to be able to play substantial minutes.


"Gasol vs Garnett is a wash at best, although I still think Gasol is motivated enough to come out slightly ahead"


Gasol hasn't played anyone with the intensity and smarts of Garnett. Garnett will get into his head and Gasol will proceed to clam up and disappear for key stretches. Because Gasol is SOFT-T-T-T Book it.

* Kobe won't be checking Allen. That would result in a epic nightmare match-up with Fisher having to check Rondo. Fisher got torched in the first two rounds by Russ Westbrook and Derron Williams. What do you think Rondo is capable of doing to Fisher?

Their best bet is to have Fisher on Allen. Neither one has blazing speed at this point, and are mainly just spot up shooters, although Allen does at times get to the rack.

Only thing I'd co-sign in your post is that Artest will SHUT DOWN Pierce. But then again, it isn't like Pierce is a slouch on D either.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We will need someone who can push the pile on third and inches and Johnson could do that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

That's what she said!

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Carter is garbage."

True.

Rather than being the second coming of Jordan, he's been just another ordinary arrival of a guy who left school early for bucks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 11:03 AM

Not to mention, all you hear is "this is why he was brought to the Magic - to make plays in these situations".

And he hasn't. And those choked FTs in game 2 sure didn't help any.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 11:52 AM

Classic. The old answer a question with a question trick.

But I'll bite. You don't make any All-NBA team because you are "garbage." He led the Raptors to the playoffs and franchise record for wins. And that's when he wasn't playing hard. He went to the Nets and led them to the playoffs. Need I say more. His knees have caused his game to decline but he was once a top 10 player in the league. Too say he has been "garbage" throughout his career as your question to me suggest shows you don't no sjk about the game. If you never liked the guy, and that's the basis of your opinion just say so.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"What’s with the NFL’s fascination/love fest with New York?"

Beg to differ.

There have been so many Super Bowls in Miami that the new owner wants to establish it permanent site for the game.

New York will get a one time Super Bowl, we'll all smile, and say, "Now, that was a dumb-azzed idea!"

The media and league love the cowboys more than anything as somehow, it decided to make them a Thanksgiving Day feature when for years, it was always a Packers v. ? contest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

* Kobe won't be checking Allen. That would result in a epic nightmare match-up with Fisher having to check Rondo. Fisher got torched in the first two rounds by Russ Westbrook and Derron Williams. What do you think Rondo is capable of doing to Fisher?

Their best bet is to have Fisher on Allen. Neither one has blazing speed at this point, and are mainly just spot up shooters, although Allen does at times get to the rack.

Only thing I'd co-sign in your post is that Artest will SHUT DOWN Pierce. But then again, it isn't like Pierce is a slouch on D either.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse
________

My last comment, then I'm out for today.

Look, I've never tried to hide my Laker bias. I have a very specific reason for my fanaticism despite my Washington roots and I won't apologize for it. However, my analysis is exactly how I see it. Everyone here gives their biased views - certainly the Celtics homers here do it to. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. We'll hopefully find out.

Yes, Kobe will be on Allen, at least at first. Trust me, PJ will roll with Fisher and liberal minutes to Farmar on Rondo unless it gets unmanagable or they need a key stop. Fisher's been getting torched all year by everyone and they manage despite his defensive limitations, including a defeat of the Celtics this year.

And to PortisPockets, yes, you're right, I did leave out Odom. If he shows up as the "good Odom" he's a complete mismatch for almost anyone in the NBA. The key is him staying in his groove.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 25, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Chazz Reinhold: So how's my protégé?
John Beckwith: Jeremy, believe it or not, is getting married!
Chazz Reinhold: What? What an idiot! What a loser! Good! Good! More for you and me.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The media and league love the cowboys more than anything as somehow, it decided to make them a Thanksgiving Day feature when for years, it was always a Packers v. ? contest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Can the league get their priorities straight and remove Detroit from the Thanksgiving game?

Really, who wants to watch the Lions play?

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

They want to play in New York simply because as far as generating revenue for that week will be off the meters. You're talking about the most populated city in the country with boatloads of crap to do.

But whatever, I wouldn't mind seeing a snowy game. Playing football in the snow is fun, and watching it on HD is kinda cool too... looking forward to it...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 11:44 AM
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I'm with you. It's just business. NYC is the biggest sports market (city) in the US. I base this on the fact that the city is able to support two NFL teams, two pro baseball teams, two pro basketball teams, etc. Not that the NFL has trouble filling a Superbowl stadium, but the big NYC advertisers will come out en masse for an NYC Superbowl. The city can mazimize its revenue for tourism because there is a heck of a lot more to do in NYC than in most NFL towns. In theory, fans will stay longer and spend more. Of course, the city won't fail to attract every dollar they can by making it a week long event. A Superbowl in NYC would be huge.

And yes, I think a Superbowl in the snow would be huge. Is the new New York stadium natural grass or pro-turf?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Screw the Lakers and Celtics, I'm tired of hearing and watching them both. Green and yellow, or puke and piss, same difference. Can't wait till the Knicks become relevant again, in 20 yrs..

Posted by: ga8085 | May 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Can the league get their priorities straight and remove Detroit from the Thanksgiving game?"


The Thanksgiving Day games should feature a contest between the losers of the championship game from the previous year and a prime time Super Bowl match up.

This year, we'd see (for example):

Give the 1 pm slot to the NCAA

Vikings v. Jets at 4 pm

Colts v. Saints at 8 pm

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahahahahaha... The Knicks? Bwahahahahahahahaha...

The Knicks.

The most overrated team in history...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/05/gibbs_dexter_riggo_and_bulleti.html?wprss=dcsportsbog

What's very noteworthy is Gibbs sense of how to get the most out of his players. From the article, regarding John Riggins.

"I think everybody on the team has a different hot button," Gibbs said. "If you're good at working with people, you realize everybody is a little different on the team, and you've got to know what hot buttons to hit. As an example, John never really wanted to talk to me much.....He stayed very far away from me. He talked to Bugel and Breaux. But that's the way John dealt with things.

*****

Look at Gibbs attitude towards Riggins, a challenging personality -- and compare it to Shanahan's attitude towards Albert. Shanahan needs to figure out how to get the most out of his most talented player. I'm not sure he's doing that.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Big difference is, Riggo really wanted to play for Joe (article a week or so back). Albert feels betrayed. I'm sure if Mike were to agree to let Albert play any way he wants, all would be forgiven. At least from Albert's perspective.

He's a great athlete, and for one shining season in Tennessee, a great football player. Then he moved to Washington and signed the big contract and wasn't as good.

Now it's over. Albert's beyond 'handling'. Teams' going in a different direction and he knows it and wants out.

Somehow IMO they'll accommodate him.

Posted by: Samson151

Part of being a great coach is getting the most out of great talent. If MS gets the best from Jarmon, that's good. But it's not nearly as valuable as if he gets the best out of Albert. Not close.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Monk, the funny thing is, I would rank the Redskins as the best team in terms of who would win in an actual fight between the mascots. I mean, Native Americans were adept at hunting so that eliminates all teams named after animals. Chargers are out since you can't aim lightning bolts and the Cowboys wouldn't get a 2nd shot at taking our land. Titans might give us a fight, but the bow and arrow trumps a sword. Now all we need to do is to get the NFL standings to reflect that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 25, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Me rank em' Redskins first, but watch em' Chiefs. Team who scare me, Cowpies. We smoke em' peace pipe, they smoke em' crack pipe!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"You don't make any All-NBA team because you are "garbage."

ONE second team and ONE third team. Yippee. All-star games don't mean anything. Popularity contest from dunking.

"He led the Raptors to the playoffs and franchise record for wins. And that's when he wasn't playing hard."

1. Raptors franchise records for wins = tallest man in midget contest.

2. Exactly. He wasn't playing hard. He said HIMSELF he didn't always play hard. Why celebrate a guy with all the talent in the world who doesn't always play hard?

"He went to the Nets and led them to the playoffs. Need I say more."

I'd say Kidd led that team. And 3rd place in the weak east with 49 wins? Hardly earth shattering.

"His knees have caused his game to decline but he was once a top 10 player in the league. Too say he has been "garbage" throughout his career as your question to me suggest shows you don't no sjk about the game. If you never liked the guy, and that's the basis of your opinion just say so."

No, I don't like the guy. He's admitted he didn't always play hard. He turned two fan bases against him. Ask Raptors and Nets fans how they feel about him. He constantly is "injured" or using injury as an excuse. He's such a great player, yet THIS is his FIRST conference final in 13 years?? Has he ever had a clutch moment? He was traded to Orlando to make big plays, and he's made none. He choked in game 2. As far as I can remember, he missed his only potential GW shot in the playoffs. (2000).

The guy is either an underachiever or overrated. I'm certainly not the only one who thinks that. If you want to celebrate a career of decent PPG with no merit otherwise, be my guest. I guess Ill just continue to not know sjk....

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

RSH, from what I saw it looks like turf.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the media loves the cowboys more, but the league loves New York city (and therefore the Giants and Jets) and Los Angeles because of the revenue potential. They are DYING to get a team back to L.A. There have been so many super bowls in Miami only because of the weather and the size and attractiveness of the town (South Beach in particular). Every team wants to host, but it is mainly driven by weather or whether or not you have a dome. The fact that there have been several super bowls in Detroit serves as “proof”. The fact that they are about go against this and award the first cold weather SB to NY shows their NY bias. As far as thanksgiving goes, I love the fact that I get to root against the boys every year….the Lions games usually suck but only because the Lions usually suck. I have no problem with Dallas and Detroit getting games every year. Jerry Jones would prolly die before he gave up the Thanksgiving game, because of the exposure. I suppose the league likes Dallas as well, but not as much as NY. They are getting this year’s super bowl and also, if anyone else noticed, guess who is playing in the only game on xmas day……so essentially Roger Goodell and crew are having a corcle jerk over a model of the new Giants stadium hosting a Giants vs Jets Super Bowl in 2014, and Jerry Jones and ESPN execs are doing the same thing over a Dallas vs whoever SB this year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Moe, I don't even give them credit on the Orakpo pick since they promptly moved him to LB."

Agreed, and it's not like everyone on TV was saying "Don't pick Orakpo."

He's a DE, and he was just sitting there an plopped in Vinny's lap. He has the ability to get 20 sacks this year, hopefully he will.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | May 25, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The most overrated team in history...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

That would be the Cavs you're thinking about. The Knicks haven't had a chance to be overrated in a decade.

Posted by: ga8085 | May 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah....who is overrating the knicks? Willis Reed ain't walking through that door?

Zcezest again humping a stale argument....you do remember when Riggo sat out a year right?

That said, I love me some Riggo! I am not anti head case players...but this AH thing seems beyond the pale. I mean he already got paid! (cue pfunk's 15 posts about how the rest of us don't know anything)

Posted by: chrislarry | May 25, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

lh = UNC TarHeel
Vince Carter = UNC TarHeel


There you have it. He's gotta back his co-alum.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 12:45 PM

This being his first conference championship says more about his teammates than him. The great KG played 8 years before getting out of the first round much less ascending to a conference championship. Things changed with Cassell and Spree. But when they left it was back to the same ol' same. Does that diminish KG? You say VCV's an "underachiever or overrated" but what more is he supposed to have done in his career given the franchises he played for?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I am not willing to assume that Shanny is handling the AH92 siutation the way he has for any reason other than it is precisely how he has decided it is best to handle it. I have a feeling that, after the Zorn mess, he thought that he needed to remind the Skins players that the head coach is the boss, and he concluded that taking on AH would best send that message. Based on the fact that every last other player is at OTAs, his approach might be working.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

RSH, from what I saw it looks like turf.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 12:45 PM
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It'd be fun to watch a Superbowl in the snow with divits flying up everytime a player made a cut.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If you don't dig a SB in the snow may I interest you in the fine game of Polo?

Posted by: chrislarry | May 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I am not willing to assume that Shanny is handling the AH92 siutation the way he has for any reason other than it is precisely how he has decided it is best to handle it. I have a feeling that, after the Zorn mess, he thought that he needed to remind the Skins players that the head coach is the boss, and he concluded that taking on AH would best send that message. Based on the fact that every last other player is at OTAs, his approach might be working.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

First of all, these are GROWN MEN!!! They shouldn't have to be 'handled with care'. You are getting paid MILLIONS of dollars to play a GAME! Just suck it up, be a man, and COME TO WORK LIKE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO, the coach is not your mother, so cut the cord and grow a sack and do what your boss tells you. The should call it The National Daycare Football League, bunch of whiny tits!

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

RSH, Red, the internet says the "New Meadowlands Stadium" surface is FieldTurf.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of mixing in some cold weather outdoor title game venues. Cold weather might work to the slight advantage of teams from the NFC and AFC East (other than fins and boys), NFC Central and AFC North, so I don't mind that either.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

JArmon wasn't a wasted pick...hindsight is the worst thing to base 'would've/could've/should'ves' on. To be a leader, you have to pick w/o worrying about what people are going to think. You pick, and move on. JArmon is going to be a beast for us as a 3-4 DE....eventually...may not be this year but by his year 4 at the latest......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 10:15 AM

I got the impression that Jarmon was supposed to be the run stuffing DE type like Daniels. Its just a drag that our third round pick is entering camp after tearing a knee ligament.

I haven't watched a 3-4 defense closely enough, much less the Haslett version, to have opinions about who should fit where and what does/doesn't make sense player-wise. Andre Carter sounded pretty upbeat about play OLB in THIS version of a 3-4 ... and he's smart (or, at least, off the field, he wears glass that make him look smart and he plays classical piano, which is something smart people do).

Reading Ndamakong Suh's comments about the role of DT in Schwartz's Lions makes me think that Haynesworth is and was a beast primarily based on the scheme that requires nothing more than showing up to the line of scrimmage, not jumping offsides, and moving forward after the snap. The anti-Wonderlic base defense.

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"First of all, these are GROWN MEN!!! They shouldn't have to be 'handled with care'."

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Totally agree but "shouldn't have to be" is different from the way it actually is. And part of that is probably due to the fact that playing winning football is not the same thing as coming into an office and putting in a solid work day. Teamwork is an important concept in the white collar world, but nothing remotely like what is required to win in professional football. On top of that, virtually all of the players are in their 20s and 30s, including the "veterans." In the office setting, the "anchor" personalities are older -- often in their 50s and 60s. All of that means that the head coach has to be much more than just a good CEO in order to win.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 25, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

If you don't dig a SB in the snow may I interest you in the fine game of Polo?

Posted by: chrislarry | May 25, 2010 1:24 PM

I loved that Colts-Bear Super Bowl in the rain in Miami. Just so pscyhed to see people who paid thousands of dollars standing in the rain and/or leaving. You gotta pay for the privilege to walk away.

Posted by: dcsween | May 25, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What does a whiny boob look like?


Anyone complaining about a super bowl in winter elements must be: attending, sports media, or probably grew up in a warm weather climate.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Reading Ndamakong Suh's comments about the role of DT in Schwartz's Lions makes me think that Haynesworth is and was a beast primarily based on the scheme that requires nothing more than showing up to the line of scrimmage, not jumping offsides, and moving forward after the snap. The anti-Wonderlic base defense.

Posted by: dcsween

Pretty much agree. It cracks me up when the staff talks about how far Albert is behind in his learning. With Albert, its where do I line and which direction do I attack at the snap. 2 months to learn the scheme for a DT? Get serious. If it takes an entire 60 minutes, its too complicated.

If you want to talk techniques, film study, etc -- that takes time. But for a DT to learn the defense, does that take months? No. Not buying it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

FieldTurf = Cancerous Turf.

and bad turf as well....

Grassway or the Highway...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

the MAIN reason super bowls are played in miami, san diego etc... has nothing to do with the game, or the effect of the weather on the game. it has everything to do with superbowl fortnight... and where fans with money are willing/eager to travel, stay a while and spend $.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"What does a whiny boob look like?"


Obviously, you don't know who Bill Maher is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Laughing at timing of this Carter-bashing article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-magicceltics052510

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Zcezest again humping a stale argument....you do remember when Riggo sat out a year right?

That said, I love me some Riggo! I am not anti head case players...but this AH thing seems beyond the pale. I mean he already got paid! (cue pfunk's 15 posts about how the rest of us don't know anything)

Posted by: chrislarry

Just contrasting it to Gibbs. The whole article is pretty good. Great coaching success usually requires you get the most out of your top talent.

Coach up Kedric Golston (who I like) all you can, he still won't change games (and perhaps seasons) the way Albert can.

Said it before. If Albert is in top shape and highly motivated by game 1, Shanahan will have done his job well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Has there been any link established between FieldTurf and cancer, 4th? I know it's got those nasty little particles of ground-up rubber or whatever, but I wasn't aware that players have gotten enough exposure over time to demonstrate a link to cancer... it's a tough call because maintaining real grass playing fields can be environmentally detrimental (the watering, the chemicals, etc.) that the fake stuff looks preferable on some level...

But yeah, I'd rather see football played on real grass. And I'd like to see a Super Bowl played in the snow. It's probably just as likely to be frigid cold and windy, or cold and rainy, as it is to be snowy in the Meadowlands in February, though.

Damn it, I'm so ready for this season... McNabb under center... good golly, we're getting there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, you don't know who Bill Maher is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 1:51 PM

So true!

His total life consist of smoking weed and banging volumptous Black women...

..Or as we 'believing in a higher power people' people call it...'Heaven on Earth'...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

FieldTurf = Cancerous Turf.

and bad turf as well....

Grassway or the Highway...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM
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4th, it's synthetic grass, not synthetic cannabis. You can't smoke that stuff.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

RSH, Red, the internet says the "New Meadowlands Stadium" surface is FieldTurf.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 1:27 PM
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Yuck. So much for having a real old time football game outdoors.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

FieldTurf = Cancerous Turf.

and bad turf as well....

Grassway or the Highway...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM
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4th, it's synthetic grass, not synthetic cannabis. You can't smoke that stuff.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Damn it, I'm so ready for this season... McNabb under center... good golly, we're getting there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

YES!!!

Can't wait to sit in my crappy seats for the opening game against the Flamers.

Final Score Prediction

Skins:28
Flamers:24

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading on another site about how the Redskins have two kickers on the roster: a leftie and a rightie. I know Shanahan has kept two kickers on his active roster in the past. Here's the million dollar question (actually, it's only a buck and dime question but still, it's a slow day):

In baseball there is an advantage to having left and right handed pitchers - is the same true for kickers in the NFL? Any advantage to making the ball rotate in a different direction?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse


This is a hybrid. This is a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 2:11 PM
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Classic Bill Murray... I wonder if the skins ever had a groundskeeper like that?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, one post all day, gotta love these reporters, you know, reporting, and finding stuff to report, not like they're just sitting back playing solitaire all day, or are they......................

Posted by: monk811 | May 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

In baseball there is an advantage to having left and right handed pitchers - is the same true for kickers in the NFL? Any advantage to making the ball rotate in a different direction?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

That's a good question. He may decide who's kicking depending on how the wind is blowing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

oh, and beeeeeeeep!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 25, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"His (Bill Maher) total life consist of smoking weed and banging voluptous Black women..."


I'm not knocking his hustle.

I've done both of those things, but as I've approached 50, I've chilled as Mother Nature has a way to slow a brotha down without him even wanting to.

I watch his show on the regular.

"Nurse Jackie" has also taken my attention.

Edie Falco is the ugliest, plainest chick I've ever been hooked on.

The relationship started with "The Sopranos" when I got mad whenever Tony cheated on her and lied about it.

Now, on "Nurse Jackie" she sleeps with two dudes, and one knows about it while the other looks like a mope show after show.

And as for Maher, he is a whiny mope who, like me, goes home to weed and a sista.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 25, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Synthetic Turf, often referred to by brand name FieldTurf, is made up in part of recycled rubber pellets. According to FieldTurf’s product information, “FieldTurf’s grass fibers are surrounded and stabilized by a special blend of ‘synthetic earth’—FieldTurf’s patented mixture of smooth, rounded silica sand, rubber granules, and NIKE GRIND made of re-ground athletic shoe material.”

The little pellets get around. They turn up in players’ shoes and are visible on the field surfaces. The manufacturer of FieldTurf readily acknowledges that the pellets might be transported on shoes especially after rainfall. The pellets have also been observed in stormwater drains by Marcos Island city officials in Florida.

So what’s the problem with the pellets? A study conducted last year by Dr. William Crane of the City College of New York and Dr. Junfeng Zhang of Rutgers University determined that a FieldTurf surface in Manhattan’s Riverside Park contained polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) and toxic metals. PAH’s are chemicals created during the partial burning of, among other things, oil and gas.

In the study, the levels of 6 PAHs found in the rubber pellets were above concentrations allowed by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC). DEC requires removal of these substances at these levels from contaminated soils because the DEC considers them hazardous to public health.

The Department of Health and Human Services Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry (ATSDR) summarizes the danger: “Some people who have breathed or touched mixtures of PAHs and other chemicals for long periods of time have developed cancer. Some PAHs have caused cancer in laboratory animals when they breathed air containing them (lung cancer), ingested them in food (stomach cancer), or had them applied to their skin (skin cancer).”

The PAH of greatest concern is benzopyrene, which was found on the artificial turf in levels 8 times greater than the DEC limit. Two researchers at the Department of Biochemistry of the University of Western Ontario have found that exposure to benzopyrene increases the incidence of breast cancer. Benzopyrene is known to be mutagenic and highly carcinogenic and has been tracked crossing the placenta and attacking DNA. It also suppresses the gene that controls cell growth and, according to Dr. William M. Bennett, M.D., Professor of Medicine at Oregon Health Sciences University, has been linked to half of all human cancers and up to 70 percent of lung cancers. Dr. Patrick Kinney, a professor of environmental health sciences at Columbia University, succinctly acknowledges the potential health risk: “PAHs, if you breathe them, have been associated with lung cancer.”

http://progressivekid.wordpress.com/2007/03/15/home-turf-disadvantage/

FieldTurf = Cancer

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 25, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

monk811,
careful what you with for. last time we clamored for news we found out about santana....

earlier somewhere you said something like "portis looks great in mninicamp". is this based on personally seeing him? video clips? word of mouth? do you have some kind of "in"? i totally hope you're right. and actually i agree that he'll probably have a good year - reunited with shanny and all.... i'm just wondering why you think he looks great.

oh....i can't wait for it to start...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 25, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Pretty much agree. It cracks me up when the staff talks about how far Albert is behind in his learning. With Albert, its where do I line and which direction do I attack at the snap. 2 months to learn the scheme for a DT? Get serious. If it takes an entire 60 minutes, its too complicated.
If you want to talk techniques, film study, etc -- that takes time. But for a DT to learn the defense, does that take months? No. Not buying it.Posted by: zcezcest1"

Mostly the coaches are just woofin'. They want him in camp so they can see how out of shape he is, and so the other guys don't get the feeling he gets special treatment.

Which he does.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 25, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Is the field at new Giants/Jets stadium made of field turf?

Posted by: coparker5 | May 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Is the field at new Giants/Jets stadium made of field turf?

Posted by: coparker5 | May 25, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

jarmon made a play downfield in a game, hit a running back who ran thru middle of d-line and jarmon got off his block and caught the guy after a 5 yard gain, doubt if any other defensive end on the team can do that If any thing he should put on 12-15 lbs and get up to 290lbs stay at DE not sure if he can make switch from DE to LB,too late to talk about he was or not wasted pick,he is here deal with it. sellars said rinehart has NO ass(probably lacks lower body strength)if he can't beat out m. williams this year which I doubt, capers and cook are here the handwriting is on the wall.

Posted by: wathu19 | May 25, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

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