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First-Half Offensive MVP? It's ... Campbell

Wide receiver Santana Moss has been explosive and dynamic. Running back Clinton Portis is the most productive running back in the NFL this season by a staggering margin. But both of those guys already hold the single-season franchise yardage marks at their respective positions.

To me, neither would be able to accomplish what they have without Jason Campbell performing at a Pro Bowl level. He has played well enough to force teams, finally, to not jam up the box all the time to stuff the run; he has delivered some beautiful passes to Moss; and he has given the Redskins the look of a team destined for long-term stability at the most crucial position on the field, something this franchise has lacked for a long, long time.

To be a young starter in another new system on what is a decidedly veteran outfit on the offensive side of the ball, with people (fans; uneducated media members) ready and willing to run you out of town in the preseason, calling for Colt Brennan and the like, and a wildly popular veteran back-up waiting in the wings, and with your financial future at stake as you get deeper into your rookie contract is pressure enough. But to deliver a 100 passer rating and eight interception-free games, to say nothing of completing two-thirds of your passes, is pretty special.

I've been a Campbell guy for a long time - reread the early posts on this blog - and thought Joe Gibbs waited way too long in 2006 to finally let the kid play, and then hindered him by giving him such a marginal stake in the offense even last year. But you could not doubt Campbell's talent and leadership or, for that matter, his character and work ethic. Trading up to pick Campbell could very well be the greatest gift Gibbs gave this franchise the second time around.

Vinny Cerrato does not seem inclined to negotiate with Campbell in-season (his contract expires after the 2009 season), but re-signing him should be the top priority this offseason. You just don't mess around with a potential franchise QB, especially one with no baggage whatsoever. Cerrato and owner Daniel Snyder are very likely going to have to shell out some serious coin to Campbell and Carlos Rogers (my defensive MVP) this offseason, and it's a great problem to have - rising stars whom you brought in as draft picks.

That's how you fortify for the long haul.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 28, 2008; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

Yo! This Market is JACKED UP!

Will this recession be Less, Same, or Worser than the GREAT Depression?

My Answer:

Worser after the US stops dumping money in the economy......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Peter - now you're just being brainless!

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who was calling for crappy Colt Brennan to be our starting QB at the beginning of the year?

Posted by: ejjam2 | October 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato does not seem inclined to negotiate with Campbell in-season"

Not sure how you know this information, given that Vinny wont speak to you...but whatever.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

your blog is cool but you still suck you tubby dork

Posted by: jonthefisherman | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Jacked Up?? Worser?
Well...I can see how the market would be worse for 4thFloor......my performance hasn't been that bad since i prepared about 6 months ago for everything that went down.

Anyhoo......I have to admit.....you gotta give props to Snyder and the Front Office. 1) they took the gamble on building around Campbell, 2) believed in staying the course and not signing a ton of free agents and 3) they believed in Zorn when no one else did.

And the best part......this team will get better. Imagine what they could become once the rookies start contributing and we draft a ton of linemen next year.

Posted by: goosedude | October 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I know I am attacked as the convo police, but lets keep it friendly up here, and agree that differences make the world go round!

How about this moral quandry....from a redskins playoof scenario view point, who do we "root" for this week Giants or Cowboys.

Case for Pukes: The Giants are threatening to run away with the division. So do we hang losses on them any way we can get?

Case for Giants: The Cowboys are wavering on complete crater. Maybe they can not even be in the playoff picture by the season's final quarter, and another L and more turmoil is needed now to drive the stake in....


My vote: Root for Giants to grease the Pukes skid and concentrate on beating Giants ourselves and letting their schedule catch up with them later.

You?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato does not seem inclined to negotiate with Campbell in-season"

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM |

"League sources" I.e., Charlie Casserly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

resigning Caldwell and another veteran WR would of been the smartest move

Posted by: ga8085 | October 28, 2008 9:51 AM |

Caldwell? Now there's a brilliant idea. They offered Caldwell a contract, but he chose to sign with the Rams and go with Al Saunders. The Rams cut him before the regular season. He's out of football today, so we can still get him back.

And who was your "other veteran WR?" People were hot to go after DJ Hackett. We made him an offer, but he signed with Carolina. He's not having a big year for them: only played in the first five games and had 10 receptions for 131 yards. He's missed three games with a knee injury, and at this point seems to have lost his job to Dwayne Jarrett.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato and owner Daniel Snyder are very likely going to have to shell out some serious coin to Campbell and Carlos Rogers (my defensive MVP) this offseason, and it's a great problem to have - rising stars whom you brought in as draft picks.

That's how you fortify for the long haul....jlc


didn't you just make a post about them putting to much stock in this draft,instead of finding some free agents?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I've been a Campbell guy for a long time - reread the early posts on this blog -

That is BS. I remember you blasting Gibbs for moving up to get JC.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 28, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I have to go with the Giants, as I will not root for Dallas. 4th big differences between this crash and the great depression, the depression led to our power shift and this one is leading away. Its a classic hegamon change I am guessing, thankfully with technology the way it is I don't see this one lasting more than 5 years not the 10ish of the 30's depression or the 1/2 melenia of the dark ages.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Greg - When you go to the game. If you don't want to pay for parking you can park at my house........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato does not seem inclined to negotiate with Campbell in-season"

Not sure how you know this information, given that Vinny wont speak to you...but whatever.

-very good point, i am wondering the same thing
if this is true though, it would seem a mistake because jason campbell is the best qb in the nfc.

Posted by: Brian_P_McConnell | October 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I remember you blasting Gibbs for moving up to get JC.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 28, 2008 10:22 AM |

The real hypocrite on this was Peter King. He said that "Campbell will one day be one of the top five players in the draft." Then he went on to say "but the Redskins paid too much to move up and get him." One of these two statements has to be wrong.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for the offer, how far away from the stadium do you live??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

who's worse stuart scott or emmit smith?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 27, 2008 8:32 PM

Rick Astley.

Also, Beantown Greg (you out there?), its better to drive and park on Capitol Hill (near some of the bars on Pennsylvania Ave, SE), then take the Blue Line to Morgan Blvd. and walk the mile to the stadium ... than it is to try and get a parking pass, make it into a parking spot (unless you plan to arrive 3 hours early), and wait idling in your car for an hour trying to drive out.

If you do drive and want to park, best plan would be to get a parking pass off Stub Hub or Ebay, and approach from off the Beltway (Landover exit). Plan on arriving early (e.g., tailgate) and mentally prepare to hang out awhile before firing up the car to leave.

Which game are you coming for?

Also, please refrain from sending bonus points.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that remembers we traded back from the first round to have three picks in the second round?

Redskins were looking at Devin Thomas in the first round with their pick (was it #17 overall?) but instead said that he wasn't a first round talent and traded back.

When they traded back they basically got a free pick on top of that first round pick, because they got Devin Thomas anyway. That free pick was Fred Davis, so basically it's like they drafted Devin Thomas at #17 overall and somebody just gave them a middle-of-the-round pick in the 2nd round out of the blue. Then they were looking at it as a bonus pick they weren't counting on having before the draft, so they took the best available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I think I remember hearing Vinny say that he would talk with JC's agent in the off season on his 1st radio show. My bet is that's where this info came from.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The D is just fine. We have a D-end who had a very unusual injury that is costing him his health and productivity. We have another D-end who is notorious for beign a second half of the season player. We have an injued DT in Griffin that has been rotated in and out, so we have had guys step in and fill those voides. JT will get healthy after the bye and come back and retain his status as a pass rusher. Carter will follow his typical trend and be stronger in the seond half then the first and our younger guys will continue to learn how to play their position at an NFL level and will probably be more productive in the second half as well. I think a little to much is made out of our lack of sacks, we have gotten great pressure on the QB and if they keep stats for D-line defletions i imagine we would be in a high percentile for that. Think the Defense has kept us on top in these close games, i think in the second half of the season they gell and beome an even better D.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

CP26 is the offensive MVP, Defensive it could go to either Rogers or fletcher they both have been increadible its just that everyone is used to Fletch doing this.

If we dont resign JC then i will have no faith in a front office that has done terrible things in the past, Dieon.. nuff said, that would be even worse though. We invested in him and Gibbs knew exactly what he was doing for this team when he drafted hiim.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for the offer.

How far from the stadium do you live??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The D is just fine. We have a D-end who had a very unusual injury that is costing him his health and productivity. We have another D-end who is notorious for beign a second half of the season player. We have an injued DT in Griffin that has been rotated in and out, so we have had guys step in and fill those voides. JT will get healthy after the bye and come back and retain his status as a pass rusher. Carter will follow his typical trend and be stronger in the seond half then the first and our younger guys will continue to learn how to play their position at an NFL level and will probably be more productive in the second half as well. I think a little to much is made out of our lack of sacks, we have gotten great pressure on the QB and if they keep stats for D-line defletions i imagine we would be in a high percentile for that. Think the Defense has kept us on top in these close games, i think in the second half of the season they gell and beome an even better D.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

CP26 is the offensive MVP, Defensive it could go to either Rogers or fletcher they both have been increadible its just that everyone is used to Fletch doing this.

If we dont resign JC then i will have no faith in a front office that has done terrible things in the past, Dieon.. nuff said, that would be even worse though. We invested in him and Gibbs knew exactly what he was doing for this team when he drafted hiim.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Oh and let's not forget during pre season how your (JLC) NFL front office people was telling how JC wasn't a good fit for this system. Don't remeber you coming out saying anything postive about JC or giving him time to learn the system?

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, didn't see 4th's floor offer before I posted. His sounds like the best idea.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

also note : the pick was #21 overall


and posting comments is ridiculously slow...


and Emmitt Smith is the worst, check out his Youtube highlights, he's awful.

One of his quotes : so-and-so has now gone through the "rice of passage"...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has been said, but I completely disagree with JLa. Portis clearly is the MVP. HELL! He may be the league MVP at year end!! Campbell (who I love) is doing a great job of managing the game. His numbers are a lot like Dilfers when the Ravens won the SB. But the MVP is the work horse. I am of the belief if not for Portis Campbell may be struggling...

Posted by: Club320 | October 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

By which I mean, any transfer of bonus points should go to 4th, not me.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

dc, everyone who gave me info, thanks so much guys, really appreciate it.

I'll need all your home address's in order to mail the bonus points. As well as your social security numbers so you can claim them on your taxes.

Headed down for the Dallas game..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I remember JLC being the first guy to say, Campbell's best year in college was under the west coast system and he would be a great fit. He may have had a,"if" statement in there about getting the timing right. But I guess we all select what we want to remember from what we read. I select the positives.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Most teams do not negotiate contracts during the season, they will hook him up in the offseason.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

resigning Caldwell and another veteran WR would of been the smartest move

Posted by: ga8085 | October 28, 2008 9:51 AM |


Maybe there is someone else...in the MIX.

Posted by: cej75024 | October 28, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say I agree with you on this cL. F the girls and I hope that they implode and are in bad shape when the come to FedEx field.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 28, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, it really is true when they say winning fixes everything. I have been on this blog for years and read many a hate filled tirade (ok and written many too) about how screwed up this front office is. Now that we've one 6 games everybody has Vinny's back all of a sudden? We have gotten contributions from exactly one of ten draft picks (Horton, a lucky steal in the 7th round) and yet we're like Kimbo after getting knocked out "its all good baby" because we haven't "needed" them yet. Ya'll amaze me. Three second round picks can't get on the field because of Thrash and Yoder and nobody seems to think that's bad and ya'll just want to bash JLa for daring to point it out when we are 6-2. I have said the last two years, this is a good team assuming our Oline and Moss stays healthy. JC has exceeded everybody's expectations and is awesome! I'm sold as we all should be that we have our franchise guy which is huge and Gibbs deserves a lot of credit for that. Zorn looks like an incredible hire, Vinny and Dan deserve all the credit in the world for that, and Zorn deserves a lot of credit for not forcing his system on personnel that doesn't quite fit it and has been humble enough to mold his system to the strength of his roster. We are in better shape than we could have hoped for but as London said in that article, this is a good team, not great yet. Fortunately, we've been relatively healthy so far, and the bye week is coming at a good time, but for the push and playoffs, we gotta upgrade over thrash at #3, and if that means putting Kelly on IR and signing somebody do it now! and no more excuses for Thomas, a full training camp, preseason, and 8 weeks of the regular season this guy needs to get on the field and produce, his season has been pitiful to date and we need/expected more from him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"If we dont resign JC then i will have no faith in a front office that has done terrible things in the past, Dieon.. nuff said, that would be even worse though. We invested in him and Gibbs knew exactly what he was doing for this team when he drafted hiim.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:32 AM "

do you even think before you post? Seriously, after yesterday and now this?

There is ZERO chance Campbell isn't resigned. He is Danny and Vinny's guy. They got criticism because they didn't change their minds about JC. One of their criteria for the new coach was that they had to be comfortable with JC as their QB.

Da-uh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

jc is signed THRU NEXT SEASON!!!!!!! jesus f-ing christ! get a grip man! it's downright annoying for you to keep bringing this up when there is half a season PLUS off-season PLUS pre-season PLUS a whole new season left on jc's contract. JUST so you can say "they did what they should have done and like i have been saying they should do for the past 2 years" after the skins sign jc in the offseason? WTF?!

and regards to picking the wr that the skins did pick. you admit they're all small and the ones skins picked are big. and there was a HUGE need to get a big WR before the draft that's what the skins drafted. so why, why why why are you criticizing them for picking a big WR? WHY?????????????? yeah vinny sucks! and hopefully zorn can take care of that too...in due time...but for you to be critical for the sake of being critical is unprofessional. please stick to reporting. the fact that only horton has produced this year out of the 10 people the skins have drafted should be enough to indict vinny for being a bad GM. you are not qualified to analyze any deeper than that. stick with the facts and you'll be fine. don't make assumptions. don't analyze. just report the facts.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about resigning Campbell, or Rogers at this time. WAY too much football to be played for that to be a concern right now.

dc, you've earned your points...there is no getting out of this. I've already reported you as getting them to the federal gov't. I'll be mailing you a 1023 Form Z, which you need to attach to your 2004 Tax return, and refile, along with every year thereafter.

Thanks again.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who was calling for crappy Colt Brennan to be our starting QB at the beginning of the year?
Posted by: ejjam2


That would be me.

Unlike Jasno, I have never been a Campbell fan but I am thrilled to see how the "team" is executing this year.

After the last 2 pre-season games and the first game vs. the Giants I thought this was going to be a re-building year and I liked the spark that Colt provided when he came into games.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong but I still don't think that Campbell is the QB that will lead us to the SuperBowl.

Posted by: isnadd | October 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Most teams do not negotiate contracts during the season, they will hook him up in the offseason.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2008 10:39 AM

I vaguely remember that Cooley got re-locked up mid-season last year. I also recall that Betts got re-upped midseason the year before. It doesn't seem uncommon to start and/or windup negotiations at any time, including midseason.

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Just sayin ive seen this front office and owner pull some crazy stuff in the past I feel that JC is a lock though, im just throwing that out as a worst case for the FO.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The world is a beautiful place is it not...puppies, flowers, chubby babies, lots of super smart comments....good morning world!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that remembers we traded back from the first round to have three picks in the second round?

Redskins were looking at Devin Thomas in the first round with their pick (was it #17 overall?) but instead said that he wasn't a first round talent and traded back.

When they traded back they basically got a free pick on top of that first round pick, because they got Devin Thomas anyway. That free pick was Fred Davis, so basically it's like they drafted Devin Thomas at #17 overall and somebody just gave them a middle-of-the-round pick in the 2nd round out of the blue. Then they were looking at it as a bonus pick they weren't counting on having before the draft, so they took the best available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

You could also look at it like they spent five picks on Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, because if they hadn't used those three picks the way they did, they would haven't needed to trade two picks for an old undersized end to plug a hole left by not drafting a d-end until the 7th round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:43 AM"

again VERY FEW rookie WR's in the LEAGUE on good teams are contributing.

JC has a Pro-Bowl caliber WR and TE to pass to, and he IS passing to them. ARE is our second WR and he's a solid 2nd guy and a very good 3rd WR.

And as how many people have said already, VERY FEW rookie WR's, even Hall of Fame WR's and Pro Bowl WR's, contribute their first season. Would it be great to have Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly catching over 100 yards a game? Definitely.

And whatever we are doing is working. Would you be happier if we were 3-5 but had our two rookie WR's catching for 100 yards a game? I sure as hell wouldn't, but maybe that's just me?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

1/2 Mile roughly.

Email me at rightwaytax@hotmail.com if you are interested. The parking lots costs between $20-25.

If you take the METRO, then DCSween would be correct to take the Blue Line to Morgan BLVD and that's about 1/4 to the stadium.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

When they traded back they basically got a free pick on top of that first round pick, because they got Devin Thomas anyway. That free pick was Fred Davis, so basically it's like they drafted Devin Thomas at #17 overall and somebody just gave them a middle-of-the-round pick in the 2nd round out of the blue. Then they were looking at it as a bonus pick they weren't counting on having before the draft, so they took the best available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM

I understand where you're coming from. For the first tme someone has explained the Davis selection and made sense explaining it. But if they wanted to draft for best available then why draft a TE? Why not a LB or add depth to the d-line? I know they drafted Jackson and they didn't see the Daniels injury coming, but I think, I think, if they drafted a DL where they selected Davis that guy probably would've been ready to to contribute this season if necessary.

But seriously dude. That is the best explanation I've read about drafting Davis so far. I know in the draft you select for current needs and the future, but I guess i would've liked them to draft more for current needs than the future.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"You could also look at it like they spent five picks on Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, because if they hadn't used those three picks the way they did, they would haven't needed to trade two picks for an old undersized end to plug a hole left by not drafting a d-end until the 7th round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM"

you could also argue that they didn't have a crystal ball to see two injuries on the first day of practice that put them in that hole.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point.

And Talent Speculator, my point being is that there should of been more veteran WR's signed for depth instead of relying on unproven rookies to be the main backups when you KNOW Moss is injury prone. Caldwell and even dare I say, McCardell would of had more of an impact than the rookies at this point. What's that telling you? Caldwell is out of football but still could be more of a reliable WR at this point than the rookies.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Now that we've one 6 games everybody has Vinny's back all of a sudden?

I wouldn't got that far. But you have to give credit when credit is due. Not pull bs out of your ass because you dislike a person. Zorn as HC no one at this point can say that was a bad move. Vinny push for him to be HC.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that remembers we traded back from the first round to have three picks in the second round?

Redskins were looking at Devin Thomas in the first round with their pick (was it #17 overall?) but instead said that he wasn't a first round talent and traded back.

When they traded back they basically got a free pick on top of that first round pick, because they got Devin Thomas anyway. That free pick was Fred Davis, so basically it's like they drafted Devin Thomas at #17 overall and somebody just gave them a middle-of-the-round pick in the 2nd round out of the blue. Then they were looking at it as a bonus pick they weren't counting on having before the draft, so they took the best available.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

You could also look at it like they spent five picks on Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, because if they hadn't used those three picks the way they did, they wouldn't have needed to trade two picks for an old undersized end to plug a hole left by not drafting a d-end until the 7th round.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This World Market crash is something bigger than anyone can imagine.

Beware of the rising Yen.......

China will soon be the leader of the world once they start using they're cash flow............

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

We do not need the rookies to play that much that is a good thing, and if we have an injury then Thomas will get in and get alot more balls.

We are the only team in the league with three receivers that have over 30 catches, stop talking about the draft you dumba$$.

Posted by: Flounder21

So basically we drafted 3 guys in the second round for a need that actually isn't a need. Nice job.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Dik Shuttle was also among the leading evangelists among the Cult of Colt... and yeah, sure, things looked grim at the end of preseason.

Look, I hope Colt unseats The Todd as our #2 and settles in as a starter-quality backup, and if we ever need him I hope he takes care of business, but like the owner, front office and coaching staff, I've hitched my wagon to Jason Campbell.

He's taking us wherever we're going, and right now it looks like we're going to a happier place. A place where the Redskins play exciting football and win more than they lose.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I think davis makes for a great backup and could have definite trade value if we opted to take that route.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who was calling for crappy Colt Brennan to be our starting QB at the beginning of the year?
Posted by: ejjam2


That would be me.

Unlike Jasno, I have never been a Campbell fan but I am thrilled to see how the "team" is executing this year.

After the last 2 pre-season games and the first game vs. the Giants I thought this was going to be a re-building year and I liked the spark that Colt provided when he came into games.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong but I still don't think that Campbell is the QB that will lead us to the SuperBowl.

Posted by: isnadd | October 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You, my friend, are an IDIOT! The only field you will ever see Colt Brennen on is an AFL field. All this talk about wasted draft picks, Brennen was the biggest one. So, who do you think is going to lead us to the Super Bowl? Your precious little Colt? PLEASE............

Posted by: virtueandvice | October 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

you could also argue that they didn't have a crystal ball to see two injuries on the first day of practice that put them in that hole.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

You could also argue that you didn't need a crystal ball to think that Daniels might get hurt since he has every year he's played for the skins, and Buzbee was most likely going to be on the practice squad not a backup.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

have no problem admitting when I am wrong but I still don't think that Campbell is the QB that will lead us to the SuperBowl.

Posted by: isnadd

We all can respect that. That's all I call for admit when you are wrong. Not come with BS/flip flop to hide your hate and try to make myself look good. To JLC looks more like an ass each and every post.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 28, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

yen= japanese currency
yuan= chinese currency

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse


That would be me.

Unlike Jasno, I have never been a Campbell fan but I am thrilled to see how the "team" is executing this year.

After the last 2 pre-season games and the first game vs. the Giants I thought this was going to be a re-building year and I liked the spark that Colt provided when he came into games.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong but I still don't think that Campbell is the QB that will lead us to the SuperBowl.

Posted by: isnadd | October 28, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You, my friend, are an IDIOT! The only field you will ever see Colt Brennen on is an AFL field. All this talk about wasted draft picks, Brennen was the biggest one. So, who do you think is going to lead us to the Super Bowl? Your precious little Colt? PLEASE............

Posted by: virtueandvice | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

And whatever we are doing is working. Would you be happier if we were 3-5 but had our two rookie WR's catching for 100 yards a game? I sure as hell wouldn't, but maybe that's just me?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Your missing the point, why can't we expect guys we spent high picks on to contribute and for us to win like we are? Why is it a mutually exclusive thing that winning means draft picks don't play, especially when its Yoder and Thrash in front of them?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"So basically we drafted 3 guys in the second round for a need that actually isn't a need. Nice job.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 11:03 AM"

right, we drafted for something that will be a need in time. Do we have other areas that will be a need in time? Yes.

The only area I see right now that is a true need is D line, and we had a couple injuries there early in the year after the draft and afterwards made a trade to get a Pro-Bowl caliber player.

Where would you say that right now we have urgent needs that must be fixed? Luckily we had enough talent that we could draft for 2 or 3 years down the road. This is a good team that made the playoffs last year after the untimely death of our best defensive player and one of the top 5 or top 10 defensive players in the league.

I'd say the FO and Gibbs have done a pretty good job of putting good players on the field, look where we're at.

And again, please name a position that urgently needs to be upgraded other than D line.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

BeantownG, not sure you were paying attention, but that last "stimulus" package included major tax relief in the form of a 100% cut in the bonus points gains rate. The federal government is doing its part to stomp out the scourge of bonus points and making it easier for the average "Greg the Poster."

I haven't made my contribution to the 2nd round pass catcher dead horse flogging (since the very end of the "Campbell Unconcerned About Close Games" thread), but my only regret is that they didn't use one of those picks (don't care which) on a defensive end.

Available DEs included: Calais Campbell, Quentin Groves, and Jason Jones. Groves has a couple of sacks in Jax, as does Jones in Tennessee (who also has entered the starting lineup). Of the three, Campbell leads in tackles with 13 (in 7 games).

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Nate/4th, just sent you both an email off line...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

isnadd, what does your typical NFL QB (that can "lead" his team to SB win) look like? peyton manning or the other manning or brady or ben or carson palmer?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 28, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The world is a beautiful place is it not...puppies, flowers, chubby babies, lots of super smart comments....good morning world!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:52 AM


Hold on cL..."chubby babies"....are you saying what I think you're saying?!

Posted by: 4-12 | October 28, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The world is a beautiful place is it not...puppies, flowers, chubby babies, lots of super smart comments....good morning world!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:52 AM

Who slipped the Red Bull in chRIs LaRRy's coffee?

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

WR-TE-WR.

I am among the fans who just will not let that go. Utterly stupefying.

We spent a LOT of time up here in the offseason wondering about the D line/pass rush and O line age/depth. The conventional wisdom in this commenting community was that the lines would and should be a focus in player acquisitions. And there was very little attention paid to either line, in the end, via free agency or the draft, setting aside the panic move to get Jason Taylor.

THAT is why I was and remain so perplexed about devoting the top of our draft to three kid pass catchers. A guard in the third round and a DE in the seventh round. Huh.

So... was the conventional wisdom up here wrong? Were we all wrong about the need to bolster our pass rush and improve our O line depth?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Your missing the point, why can't we expect guys we spent high picks on to contribute and for us to win like we are? Why is it a mutually exclusive thing that winning means draft picks don't play, especially when its Yoder and Thrash in front of them?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM"

Yoder is a pretty good TE in my opinion. Trash is the best 62-year old WR in the league, too.

but really, this can be attributed to many things. One would be, as some have said (and I don't know if this is fact or not but I'll take their words for it), that we are the only team in the league with 30+ passes to 3 different players, two of those players being Pro Bowl caliber. Second, Malcom Kelley, the guy that a LOT of players were high on and the coaching staff is apparently high on, judging by the fact that they are giving him all kinds of chances to stay off IR so he can play this year, is hurt.

Third, even our third WR doesn't have many catches. Thrash hasn't done a whole lot or even had a lot of balls thrown to him. And Devin Thomas has been out there and ran routes, but he just hasn't had many balls thrown to him either.

Fourth, the good ol saying that not many WR's are able to produce in their first year, it's one of the toughest positions to make an immediate impact.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

And again, please name a position that urgently needs to be upgraded other than D line.

Posted by: TheTruth11

By upgraded you mean a single spot to bolster for next week or next 2 year?
Assuming the first, I would love to see an upgrade at: OLB; Washington always hurt and would be nice to have a cover LB to stop guys like Whitten I don't love any of our LB's in coverage, DT; need the big man pocket buster or a guy who requires more 2-3 linement on him, DE; Taylor's still not healthy Evans is okay but I dunno about him as an every down guy, LG; Kendal is OK but we need to do better I think that the guy we drafted could be someone special from what I saw pre-season, a complement to Randy T would make the line sick, P; I like the new one better than the old one but not a cannon leg.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

no not yet....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

And again, please name a position that urgently needs to be upgraded other than D line.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

At the time we drafted, Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, we had a very unsure carlos rogers injury, reed doughty as a starting safety, had just gotten a great year out of an injury prone Springs, a renaissance year from Smoot, had an old injury prone starter at end (Daniels), had an injured McIntosh, and another year of Washington in and out of the line up. Certainly, a threat other than Moss was a need as well, I still have absolutely no problem with the Thomas pick, I still have a big problem with not taking guys at any of those positions. We are extremely fortunate that Rogers and McIntosh have come back as strong as they have, that we found Horton, that Smoot is still playing well, that Blades has played well, that Evans has stepped up, and that our Dline rotation has played well. Most of all we've been very fortunate that ARE and Moss have stayed healthy. We are still thin at safety, we just started a guy we signed a week and a half ago, which may work against the Lions but not advisable, we're still thin at corner, we're still very thin at linebacker, we gotten little to no production from the old end we traded for to replace the other old end we didn't have a backup plan for, and we still haven't gotten any more production from our receivers other than moss or ARE. And right now, "its all good" cause so far the offense is basically healthy and we're winning games, and that is what it all comes down to. I still don't see why that means I can't expect to see Yoder and Thrash on the sidelines and three second round picks performing on the field given everything we risked and all the picks (5 with the Taylor trade) we used to get them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

no not yet....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It is interesting reading the opinions on this blog. Most who post are of the "grass is greener" ilk, always looking at what this team could have had. I for one have been encouraged by the way; this past off-season was handled under Vinny. Yes, I would have liked a DE (C. Campbell) in the second round. However, as evidence by the skins lack of red zone efficiency, getting bigger versatile athletes might be the difference down the stretch. Both Davis and Thomas have been more playing time in the offense, Thomas in particular has been very good on ST (saved a TD, caused fumble) the last two games. Let’s hope this bodes well for the future.

Posted by: TWISI | October 28, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious that you hate Portis, Moss, ARE, Mike Sellers, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, Pete Kendall and Chris Samuels.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

And again, please name a position that urgently needs to be upgraded other than D line.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Considering the D-line is one of the 3 most important areas of any football team (along with QB and o-line), saying "other than" this area is sidestepping a huge problem.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

So basically we drafted 3 guys in the second round for a need that actually isn't a need. Nice job.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 11:03 AM

It has turned out that we do not need them this year yet, but we will need them big time next year and as the upcomming draft is weak a WR, it is good we picked them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Zorn should have put Rock in rather than Alexander? I thought he looked terrible.

Posted by: charley42 | October 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

grading draft classes + 0r - during middle of rookie season = power rankings.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I love me some Colt Brennan!

But that doesn't mean I don't support Soup! I just needed some confirmation that he can indeed run this offense. And I didn't like many raggin' on a rookie who looked good.

How about this: if people weren't so up on Colt, maybe Soup doesn't develop as quickly? Sometimes QB controversy in itself can be positive (Quarterblack!)

I never called for Colt to lead this team this year. I never called for him to replace Tom Collins (hic!) at the #2, though I wouldn't fight it if the coaches picked it.

I just really like Colt Brennan and a few years from now I think he'll be really good. He's got an innate talent for foobaw. He reminds me of Thiesman.

...is that so wrrroooonggg?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I do like what I have seen from Thomas btw. And I got why they went with 3 WR/TE's when we got 2 small WR's and that is a mold of WR taht gets injured where big ones do not. And I was salavating at the idea of two very talented TE's.

You got to chear for the team you have in the end, and I do every sunday like the rest of us.

But what is wrong about dreaming of a Skins team that is so talented it goes 19-0 5 years in a row?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So has the countdown started yet for maRy LaRRy, cARriE lArrY, and/or "lil smASHmoUtH' laRry?

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

My 1st half MVPs are the O-line, Carlos Rogers, Rock Cartright.

None of the skill players would be as successful this year without the excellent performance of the offensive line.

Defensively, Fletcher has been incredible from week one to the game ending hit last week. However, Rogers overcame a serious injury and has shutdown the best opposing WR every week. It's been particularly important with Springs out most of the year.

Rock plays on every special team unit and he's 11th in the NFL for kick returns (with more than 10 attempts) for a 25.5 yd avg.

Posted by: siris | October 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Michael Crabtree is not weak, neither is Percy Harvin, Derrick Williams, or Louis Murphy. Last year was a down year and this year will probably be about the same.....funny that we take two receivers in a down draft for receivers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

FYI -- It's taking approximately 60-90 secs to post due to the mbox12.offermatica.com site...

Posted by: siris | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

wow - first farley, now firestein... whut the HECK is goin' on today..??

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

agreed cl.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"Considering the D-line is one of the 3 most important areas of any football team (along with QB and o-line), saying "other than" this area is sidestepping a huge problem.

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 11:28 AM"

no, I'm saying that we felt good about what we had there before and directly after the draft. If we would've drafted anyone high, we would've been drafting for depth just like we drafted for depth at WR/TE.

And it's also saying that after the injuries, they went out and signed a Pro Bowl caliber DE. And wasn't JT the Defensive POY like two years ago? It's not working out, he's had a freak injury after being almost abnormally healthy his entire career. What more do yall want, seriously?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I am Pro Rock, but maybe Alexander has something to offer. He made a great run to pick up 4 hard yards for a 1st down that was called back due to Jansen's phantom phace mask penalty. That would have been a big play, and might have sparked him some.

The Alexander pick is so low risk, I can't hate on it.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Zorn should have put Rock in rather than Alexander? I thought he looked terrible.

Posted by: charley42 | October 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

You need Rock fresh as he can be. I would say that it depends on the play and down/distance math but. Portis in at any time, if spelling CP in general, SA makes sense to me because I don't care if he gets hurt, if Rock does I am worried. In any clutch run needed situation however, 3rd downs 2nd and long, goal line, I would go Rock because he fights for yards.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Red zone formation I'd like to see: Three tight ends plus tackle eligible plus Portis in the backfield. [That's 11, right?]

Remind me, how many guys have to be on the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap and how many guys can be in motion? Because if possible, I'd have one or more of those TEs motioning for possible draws to Portis.

Possibilities are endless ... mostly the TD pass to eligible tackle Lorenzo Alexander ...

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Btw, watching NFL live this morning (TIVO) Merril Hoge said we have the second best oline in football, called the Giants the best, that's a pretty big reversal from where people had us at the beginning of the year! healthy is huge, the betts went off we were healthy on the oline most of the year too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I did think it's funny that Deion Sanders called Alexander the "Tip Toeing Burglar". Deion should never be talking about someone avoiding contact.

Posted by: Gweez | October 28, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Michael Crabtree is not weak, neither is Percy Harvin, Derrick Williams, or Louis Murphy. Last year was a down year and this year will probably be about the same.....funny that we take two receivers in a down draft for receivers.

zj, let it go man...let it go....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

T minus any minute now.....(can a mellower cL be far behind?)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

also please note some people here wanted to get rid of Rock this offseason and didn't like that we resigned him.

I asked it then and I'll re-ask it now, what in the world were yall thinking?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

My vote: Root for Giants to grease the Pukes skid and concentrate on beating Giants ourselves and letting their schedule catch up with them later.

You?


Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

1. Root for the first double loss in pro football history

2. Root for the 17th overtime tie since the current overtime rules were instituted back in the 70s

Non-fantasy related option: Root for the ... GAAAKKK!!... Cowpies to beat the Giants, who seem like the bigger obstacle right now to our winning the division.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Anyone heard a status report on Betts. Not that he is expected to return but im wondering if he is progressing. I dont think we are really gonna see much more outta SA that we havent seen.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Skins are 6-2. And they've won two in a row. BUT...they've looked pretty bad the last two weeks against the dregs of the league. I give them a pass for the Rams game--the Rams were coming off the bye week in their first game in the wake of a coaching change, and there was almost no way for the Skins not to be flat--but the games against Cleveland and Detroit were, to my mind, very troubling. They gave the ball to inferior teams with time on the clock and a chance to force OT.

So it's legitimate to take a look at the composition of the team.

And, basically, the team is extremely thin at key positions. If S. Moss, or CP or any of the guys on the O Line, or a linebacker or a D-line go down, they are in serious trouble. They just do not have quality backups.

Why don't they have quality backups? To start with, they drafted 3 receivers early on. Now, drafting 3 receivers, and not 1 and a D-line, or O-line, or linebacker, is bad enough. But drafting 3 guys that simply can't get on the field is worse.

And not expecting injuries is ludicrous. Old guys in the NFL get injured, period; and the Skins have a boatload of old guys. Really, they've gotten lucky that their injury situation has been as good as it has.

Finally, Jason Taylor is, in addition to being old, playing out of position. So they sent two picks for an old guy that plays a position where they had another guy locked in. That's bad management.

Some of you should take an objective look at this team. It's a good team as currently composed, but walking on a high wire with no safety net if they lose some key guys; and some of those key guys look likely to get lost, and it should not come as a surprise. The draft was a disaster--one punter gone already, 3 receivers that can't play...

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Vinny Cerrato does not seem inclined to negotiate with Campbell in-season"

Not sure how you know this information, given that Vinny wont speak to you...but whatever.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse


Vinny said on his show that offseason issues (contract extensions) or just that, OFFSEASON issues.

Posted by: Gfunk | October 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I see the point about Rock - but then why not use "Bull in a China Shop" Sellers?

Posted by: charley42 | October 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

My vote: Root for Giants to grease the Pukes skid and concentrate on beating Giants ourselves and letting their schedule catch up with them later.

You?

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 10:16 AM

I'm with you CL. If we beat the Giants at FedEx we take care of our own business. Besides, prior to last season the Giants had a reputation for being a team that starts hot and fades away down the stretch. I'm not so sure they don't revert back to those ways.

Interesting point I heard from a talking head (Shaun King, I think): the Giants are playing a lot of guys (Kiwi, Tuck, etc.) that have been situational or part time players most of their careers. The thought is that those guys will start to break down or lose effectiveness down the stretch and it'll show in the Giants play. By that time the Skins should be getting healthier (Springs, Taylor back...Portis rested after the bye). Let's hope!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It has turned out that we do not need them this year yet, but we will need them big time next year and as the upcomming draft is weak a WR, it is good we picked them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

We don't need them yet? How so? They were drafted as big WR's to bolster red zone efficiency. They were drafted to take pressure off of Moss. They were brought in to be in 3 and 4 wr sets. So how is it that we don't need them yet?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What more do yall want, seriously?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:39 AM

A ham sandwich ... oh, you said "seriously." Never mind.

Generally, I agree with everything everyone has said (i.e., lets find a new topic) about the draft ... Skins headed into that last drafted with 22 returning starters plus 3 returning special teamers. Hard to second guess any pick under those circumstances. Every pick might as well have been "best player available." Still, would have been nice to have a more formidable pass rush, but whateves. 6-2 means I'm hardcore on the Zorn Train. HHH!

Posted by: dcsween | October 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Michael Crabtree is not weak, neither is Percy Harvin, Derrick Williams, or Louis Murphy. Last year was a down year and this year will probably be about the same.....funny that we take two receivers in a down draft for receivers.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

You can say that now, however every draft has it fair share of disappointments. This time last yeat, people were talking up Malcolm Kelly, and Mario Manningham.

Posted by: TWISI | October 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

1) JC doesn't perform great in his first full-time role as starter. Skins fans say "Get rid of him! The FO is stupid!"

2) JC is a top 5 or top 10 QB in the league and has thrown zero picks, Skins fans ask "Why haven't we resigned this guy yet!?! The FO is stupid!"

3) Carlos Rogers performs only adaquetly as a solid CB early in his career, but not as a shutdown corner as his draft position would indicate, although he is still very young. Skins fans say "Get rid of him, FO is stupid! He can't catch a darn interception!"

4) Carlos Rogers begins having a Pro Bowl kinda year even though he still can't make all the interceptions he puts himself in position to make. Skins fans say "I can live with the dropped picks cause they are still pass deflections. But why haven't we resigned him yet!?! FO is stupid!"


Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

captain CAAAAAAVe MAAAAAaaaannnn!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 28, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I would be inclined to say root for the Cowpies because winning the NFC East is 2nd to winning the Superbowl in my book, I've been wanting so badly for the Skins to snap up that NFC East title for so long now. But in all honesty I just can't bring myself to root for the Cowpies........so I'm gonna pull for the Giants on this one

Dspinx posting as Earl Sugarloaf III

Posted by: dspinx | October 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Dealer - I was talking about the Rising Yen, not the chinese Yaun.

But, I was talking about China's cash flow.....

Beware of the Rising Yen. Google it if you want......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 11:48 AM |"

thanks for the news update, you basically said "If 5-10 starters get hurt, we're in trouble." Wow, really?

See : Dallas Cowgirls.

you described EVERY team in the NFL there, not just the Redskins. Starters getting hurt negatively affects every team, and no team in the league can replace a Pro Bowl starter with a Pro Bowl backup.

Should the Patriots have used their first round pick last year on a QB?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 28, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

isnadd, what does your typical NFL QB (that can "lead" his team to SB win) look like? peyton manning or the other manning or brady or ben or carson palmer?
Posted by: dealer1
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Dealer, I really don't know. I really thought the Skins would need a "mobile" QB this year because the O-line was such a big question mark.

Campbell has done a great job and with the turnovers signficantly down from prior years the team is winning. Pretty easy formula. Obviously I would like to see them convert more red zone opportunities.

I think Phillip Rivers has emerged as a future elite type QB, although I think the guy is a real jerk. I have said before I would rather my team loses with guys I respect than win with chumps. I think we have Joe Gibbs II to thank for that!

Posted by: isnadd | October 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

With the Steelers starting CB and perhaps starting Safety out, and with Moss hopefully healthy, I say attack down the field in the passing game. Just have to make sure pass protection is up to par.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 28, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I know its hard to accept Truth, but people like to have fun with Sports and have different views, and be emotional, and change their minds, and argue, and react quickly, come up with wacky theories, experience extreme highs and lows....

I think its called, "liking sports...."

Posted by: chrislarry | October 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Why don't they have quality backups? To start with, they drafted 3 receivers early on. Now, drafting 3 receivers, and not 1 and a D-line, or O-line, or linebacker, is bad enough. But drafting 3 guys that simply can't get on the field is worse.

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you say having a rookie as a primary back up is quality depth. Maybe in year 2. You just don't how they will perform under fire. The skins lack of depth has been well documented and discussed through the years by JLC and members of this blog. The FO went in the other direction this off-season, and I hope they continue it in the future.

Posted by: TWISI | October 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

This Redskins team is a freak-fumble-filled game (Rams) away from being 7-1 (the Pete Kendall catch and fumble was a once-in-a-blue-moon occurrence that led to the Rams only TD).

Well, I guess the hacks have to write about something or their editors get on their back.

So go ahead and look for problems Jasno, and please keep the Hemingwayesque prose a-comin' (sarcasm there, for those who are too mentally-stunted to catch it).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Some of you should take an objective look at this team. It's a good team as currently composed, but walking on a high wire with no safety net if they lose some key guys; and some of those key guys look likely to get lost, and it should not come as a surprise. The draft was a disaster--one punter gone already, 3 receivers that can't play...

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 11:48 AM

Damn...I shudder to think how you'd react if this team was 2-6...

Considering their 7th rounder turned out to be a stud, I wouldn't call this draft a "disaster". For the record, I hated the way the 2nd round played out too, but for the millionth time, YOU CAN'T JUDGE A DRAFT THE SAME YEAR! If these guys end up being pretty good next year or the year after, that's when we need them. Not every WR is Randy Moss; you have to give a wideout a couple years to develop. Right now they're not starting ahead of Moss and ARE. Period.

As for injuries: EVERYONE gets banged up in this league. And most teams don't have quality depth. The best teams have coaches that make adjustments well and have players that have character. Have you been watching this season? The Skins went on the road and beat tough division opponents without their best corner (Springs), an elite pass rusher(Taylor) and a starting LB (Washington). The offense protects the ball and moves the chains. What more do you want?

The only thing I need to see out of the Skins in the 2nd half of the season is 1) stop playing down to inferior opponents and 2)finish drives. If they do that and stay healthy at critical spots (Fletcher, Moss, Landry), the sky is the limit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

ga, is it confirmed that Clark and ? are definetly out??

I know Clark seperated his shoulder, but didn't know his status for this upcoming game.

Passing yards can be had on this team provided that Camp is kept upright....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

What more do yall want, seriously?

Posted by: TheTruth11

I want a team manager that properly prioritizes its "needs" or positions.

WR/TE should be one of the last areas that are addressed, in my opinion. Future needs/depth are MUCH more important at offensive line and defensive line. And in comparison, LB was a much larger future need than WR/TE as well.

Santana Moss is 29. Randle el is 29. Cooley is 26.

By comparison, London Fletcher is 33. Marcus Washington is 31. Rocky Macintosh was coming off a career threatening knee injury (and is a player with chronic knee problems). Phillip Daniels is 35. Cornelius Griffin is 31. Chris Samuels is 31. Jon Jansen is 32. Casey Rabach is 31. Randy Thomas is 32. Pete Kendall is 35.

You know how many players were chosen in the draft to address the future of the guys above? Two. And one of them was chosen in the 7th round. Instead, we opted to choose THREE guys in the 2nd round to protect the future of three guys that are an average of 28.33 years old.

I give Cerrato major marks for choosing Zorn. That was a brilliant pick. But in my opinion, his draft was bad when the selections were made (just the simple choice of positions vs. need) and are looking worse in current review of the team (considering the impact the rookies have had so far).

Posted by: spizzle | October 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Thursday night games are already starting next week 11/6.....hard to beleive we are already so far into the season. I'll take 6-2 (Hip, Hip Hooray!), but think we need to get healthy, and really just up the offensdive production to include one more TD (on avg) per game. I think our upcoming schedule is pretty tough, but no matter who we play, if we can put up 24 points or more each week, I think you pencil in a win. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

China will soon be the leader of the world once they start using they're cash flow............

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 28, 2008 10:58 AM |

Using it for what? This was exactly Dan Snyder's theory of buying a Super Bowl when he bought the 'Skins: Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Deion Sanders. You can't be the leader of the world when your average income is less that $1000 per person.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep=power rankings...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Thursday night games are already starting next week 11/6.....hard to beleive we are already so far into the season. I'll take 6-2 (Hip, Hip Hooray!), but think we need to get healthy, and really just up the offensdive production to include one more TD (on avg) per game. I think our upcoming schedule is pretty tough, but no matter who we play, if we can put up 24 points or more each week, I think you pencil in a win. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

good to see cL on keyboard, tone, and convo patrol... again... thank you for all you do. question though: what brand of cigars do you have?

and ah-men to you 12:05 also.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

To be fair about all this draft halabalue, I don't think anyone inside or outside the organization thought that we were going to be in this position now. My guess is Vinny drafted thinking 2-3 years we need to be set up for a title not this year.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 28, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And, basically, the team is extremely thin at key positions. If S. Moss, or CP or any of the guys on the O Line, or a linebacker or a D-line go down, they are in serious trouble. They just do not have quality backups.
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The draft was a disaster--one punter gone already, 3 receivers that can't play...

Posted by: ajd3311 | October 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

1. The backup situation isn't as bad as you portray. You neglect to mention that we had a quality backup for CP -- Betts -- and will have one again when he's healthy in a couple of weeks. As for the D-line, we've had one starter go down for the year (Daniels), another miss significant time (Taylor), and a third miss last week (Griffin), and we haven't missed a beat, because backups like Evans, Alexander and Montgomery have come in and gotten the job done. Just maybe our needs on the D-line weren't as great as some of us seem to think.

2. You can't accurately judge a draft after half of one season. What's happened this year with Rogers and Campbell should make that abundantly clear. The early returns on the 'Skins taking these two in the same first round several years ago weren't promising. Carlos didn't earn the name "Double Move" because he was good on the dance floor, and Campbell would alternately play well and terribly, often in the same game and sometimes in the same quarter. I'd say that first round looks pretty darn good now, with Rogers morphing into a shutdown corner and Campbell looking like a very good NFL quarterback. The final story on the 'Skins 2008 draft won't be known until 2 or 3 years from now.

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 28, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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