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Campbell: the Good and the Bad in Ugly Loss

Jim Zorn broke down a bit of the good and not-so-good from Jason Campbell from Sunday's game. First, Zorn was upset with a pass Campbell missed to rookie receiver Devin Thomas late in the game on what could have been a big first down.

With the Skins down 14-10 with seven minutes left, Thomas ran a slant on third-and-four on what proved to be their last offensive drive. Thomas had to lean for the pass and ended up getting his hands on it, but Zorn said he "scratched a big minus" in his gradebook for Campbell on the throw.

Had Campbell connected to the correct spot, Thomas's inside shoulder, the Redskins would have had the first down. "That was a very, very difficult pass for him to make," Zorn said of Thomas. By leading Thomas, it send a signal to the receiver that he has to dive there, so Zorn "wouldn't put that on Devin." (Thomas did run poor routes on some occasions, but also broke free deep downfield and was open on a play on which Campbell had to scramble and ended up hitting tight end Chris Cooley for a nice gain.)

Zorn praised Campbell's poise and bravery in the face of the pass rush, not letting all of the sacks and pressure get to him or rock his composure. And Zorn was most pleased with the big quarterback draw play Campbell audibled in the second quarter, picking up 22 yards on a third-and-eight play.

Zorn gave all the credit to Campbell. The Redskins spread the field with five receivers, and the coaches told Campbell that if he saw a certain look from the defense - specifically nose tackle Jay Ratliff not lined up over center - he was to audible into a quarterback draw with the offensive line creating a big lane in the middle of the field.

Despite having eight yards to go, Campbell called the draw, and ended up carrying several Cowboys across midfield as he rumbled ahead (the QB stayed a little too upright for my taste, leaving himself vulnerable to a big hit, but did run right over Watkins, a safety). Zorn said of the play "it was really unbelievable. Really," and praised Campbell for taking command of the line of scrimmage and making astute adjustments.

Campbell was 22-for-34 in the game for just 162 yards with a touchdown and an interception. It made for a weak 73.4 passer rating, but considering the pass rush he faced and how limited the scope of the offense was, given no real wide-receiver threats beyond Moss, no vertical game and not enough time to deliver deep passes, I thought the kid did well.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 17, 2008; 4:00 PM ET
 
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So you throw the exceptions out and presume that this represents an entire draft class of over 200 players - I'm not saying NO player makes an impact - I'm saying that few do - I'm just saying that this draft is not the draft to blame - they should have been drafting linemen before this - and this was not a great draft for high quality linemen after the first round...

I'm saying that you can't lay all of our problems this year on the feat of this year's draft.

RE: Spizzle - did you even read what I said.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

SECOND to say STOP CRYING LITTLE BABIES


jesus christ

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Any word on the progress of our young Colt?

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

To add a new gloomy comment - where was London Fletcher last night?

The box score said that he made 9 tackles, but they had to be the quietest 9 tackles ever. Romo kept dinking the ball into the middle to Barber. Barber kept attacking the edges on the tosses. I kept waiting for Fletch to track him down and just blow him up on one of those plays but it never came...

Posted by: p1funk | November 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

still LOL @ the safety that JC completely trucked


I once got smacked by a QB while playing the corner position, there is NO lower point in your football career.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Aw Truth - you ain't seen nothing yet...go back and check the posts right after the Tampa Bay game last year...

Besides, come to think of it, who are you calling whiny little babies?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

p2funk -- i noticed the absence of Fletcher as well. He didn't seem to be near the ball much.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

SECOND to say STOP CRYING LITTLE BABIES


jesus christ

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 17, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse


Truth,

I don't recall hearing that particular quote from the Savior before. Are you sure it wasn't Obama who said that? Or did he say it FIRST?

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree P1funk. I saw him blocked or out of position more last night that I have seen in a while. Still probably had a great night, you just get so used to him being there.

Posted by: Gweez | November 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

On this day after, I see a headline that makes me smile:

"Fassel tells Al Davis he's available"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

IF JASON WAS WHITE, NO ONE WOULD BE CALLING FOR HIS HEAD. 99% OF THE MEN ON HERE DON'T APPROVE OF THE WAY JASON IS PLAYING. A LARGE PART IS B/C JASON IS BLACK. REMEMBER VA WAS ONE OF THE LAST STATES TO FREE SLAVES. LET JASON GROW, AFTER ALL HIS FOUR FATHERS WAS INSLAVED BY THE STATE OF VA FOR 430 YEARS.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Poolman, allow me to be the 3,231st RI poster to remind you that you are an idiot.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had no time. Both our lines are an achilles. We've drafted one, count-em, O or D lineman in the first two rounds since 2000... Chris Samuels, in 2000. EIGHT YEARS AGO. In contrast, over the same period (2000-2008) the Giants and Cowboys have drafted 7 O and D linemen in the first two rounds, and the Eagles 8.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

won my FF game over the weekend and now at 8-3. It helped that my opponent started Brett Favre at QB. Favre did fine, got 24 points. But he'd benched Cassell, who dazzled with 48!

I benched the right QB, Rivers, who sucked in Pitt. But I thought I'd get something good from Delhomme in Det. Just 10 points. Fortunately, he handed it off to DeAngelo Williams, who got me 27.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

lets not forget JCs last pass on 4th down...

he looked off a wide open Clinton Portis over the middle to through it out into the flat to a covered receiver that was short of the first down marker anyway...

JCs gotta make better reads...but...i blame this game on zorns lack of agressiveness in the deep game...JC throws a great deep ball...santana should have caught that one...and had he not be so concern about completing that 360 and staying on his feet to be able to run into the end zone...he would have made that catch...

why we dont take that shot down field 1-2 times a quarter is beyond me...obviously we had a great opening drive...or d had a great 3 and out to start the game and then came up with a big pick...we shoulda immediately taken a shot down the field and stretched that defense...then gotten back to running and west coast passing...

that was a defense we were supposed to be able to go deep on and we wait until the 4th quarter to take 1 big shot...

this mid west coast offense needs not only the power running game but a committment to throwing the ball deep every quarter...

both of those turnovers our D got us should have been followed but deep shots down the field on first or second down...

without threatening deep...dallas committed their guys to the box and stuff our running game and short passing game...

end of story...

yeah we got beat on the line on both sides of the ball...but that game was still winable and still controllable...

gotta get the rookie down field...freagin roll JC out if you have to...you can keep blaming the lack of deep shots on the pass protection...one way or another you have to find away to take some deep shots...

Posted by: deadskin | November 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Fletch was in on a bit of hits on the runs up the gut.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see an opening pass for 30 yards next week

Posted by: alex35332 | November 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan?

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Zorn goofed big time with ARE on punt returns. Been saying that guys get hurt returning punts and that ARE was too valuable as a WR to risk on that. So ARE gets hurt on a return, has to leave the game and the offense is helpless the rest of the way.

And yes, many of you called this before me. Shaun Alexander is done.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had no time. Both our lines are an achilles. We've drafted one, count-em, O or D lineman in the first two rounds since 2000... Chris Samuels, in 2000. EIGHT YEARS AGO. In contrast, over the same period (2000-2008) the Giants and Cowboys have drafted 7 O and D linemen in the first two rounds, and the Eagles 8.

Posted by: SammyT1 | November 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

My point exactly, JohnD you paying attention?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Fassel tells Al Davis he's available"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:14 PM

If he gets the job, he'd become the fossil's Fassel.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

won my FF game over the weekend and now at 8-3.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:18 PM

Wow, this is good stuff. I started Leigh Torrence at QB and WR and, well, you can guess how that turned out. The guy I was playing started Justin Tryon, and I smashed him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Good to see the RBs used in the passing game. 6 catches for 48 yards and 1 TD. Of course, those underneath plays work even better if you've got a deep threat.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

And yes, many of you called this before me. Shaun Alexander is done.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:24 PM

I feel now is a time we can free up a roster spot for another receiver ... maybe one who does the route running, pass catching stuff.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I know JC was pressured all night, but I'm sick of waiting for him to develop. I'd rather have a QB that plays with more heart and passion and worse technique and isn't afraid to make plays. JC seems to afraid of messing up. Therefore, we go nowhere. Favre messes up a lot because he plays so loose. JC is too tight. Problem is, when plays break down, he doesn't make something happen....and with this O-line, there's going to be a lot of breakdowns. And although Zorn wouldn't say it outright, JC doesn't have the mental speed to play his offense. He's intimated that a couple of times.

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

My point exactly, JohnD you paying attention?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 17, 2008 4:26 PM

Jack, I think when you post we've all stopped paying attention.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Good move Talent. I traded both Tryon and Torrence, but I got Reggie Wayne and Larry Fitzgerald for them, so I didn't get burned too bad

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy may want to consider purchasing a Lombardi replica, b/c at the rate he is going DC is not going to see one again anytime soon.

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I know JC was pressured all night, but I'm sick of waiting for him to develop. I'd rather have a QB that plays with more heart and passion and worse technique and isn't afraid to make plays. JC seems to afraid of messing up. Therefore, we go nowhere. Favre messes up a lot because he plays so loose. JC is too tight. Problem is, when plays break down, he doesn't make something happen....and with this O-line, there's going to be a lot of breakdowns. And although Zorn wouldn't say it outright, JC doesn't have the mental speed to play his offense. He's intimated that a couple of times.

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree!

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The ironic thing about peanut butter is that it hinders humans from talking, yet horses can't talk without it.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

www.let'sseewhatcoltcando.com

Don't make me put this site up damn it.

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Soup, Collins is the backup to Jason. So you will not see Colt. Like I mentioned before, Zorn does not trust the rookies.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

ARE has more east-west yards than any other punt returner in the NFL, but fewest in North South... I've got an idea, how about dancing for the stars, thats the only place those "moves" will be utilized... I'm sure JT could get him a spot.

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

JC is Zorn's "project" so if he moves on from JC then his "Project" has failed. As a result Zorn will believe that he has also failed. People do not like to admit failure. JC is going nowhere as long as Zorn remains in DC.

It is what it is. I am ok with it too b/c I still think JC is a pretty dam good QB and there is also something to be said for a coach that is so dedicated to his QB's improvement. Unfortunately, that is too much for a Head Coach to attempt to tackle while working out the rest of the problems.

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Like I mentioned before, Zorn does not trust the rookies.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 4:37 PM

Yet one more sign that the entire draft was a bust. All the other coaches in the league trust their rookies.

Oh, Vinnie, read the writing on the wall: even your own hand-pickled coach is turning on you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I found a video on the Skins blog (the Matt Terl one) with London firing up the LB corps last night. There was a guy I didn't recognize, but I'm thinking it might be Matt Sinclair (living on the IR), so maybe that's going to be a good thing for next year. Not sure whether Marcus is ever going to be the same producer he once was.

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/11/16/london-fires-em-up/

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Colt would be an awful idea i think... JC is good, we need a line that is reliable. Lets not go making another QB change, we've had like 100 since Rypien. What I would give to get that guy back in there. He's a member of AARP now I think,we could prolly get him for guaranteed social security and free country buffet for life.

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 17, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JohnD - yes I did read your post.

"but you can't presume that any player drafted this year will be in anything but a learning mode in their first year in the NFL."

Wrong. Certain players are drafted for immediate impact, and certain players are drafted as projects for the future.

Laron Landry was drafted to start alongside ST during his first season. Chris Johnson of Tennessee was drafted to play a significant role in their offense. Jerod Mayo was drafted to start at LB for the Patriots. Kenny Phillips was drafted to start at S for the Giants. Most early offensive linemen are drafted with the idea that they'd start immediately.

Most QBs, meanwhile, are drafted to sit and learn. This also occurs with most later picks.

We were a playoff team last year, had division championship aspirations this year, had WR as our #1 offseason need, and our sole method of offseason acquisition for this was through the draft. Our 3 second round picks were expected to have an immediate impact. Not necessarily start, but definitely provide production from the 3rd/4th WR spots. In this respect, the draft was a failure for this season. This draft does NOT get a free pass just because it's year one for them. That doesn't mean they'll always be failures, just that it did not work out for what was intended THIS year.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

TE, all the other coaches in the NFL (except for Harbaugh, Smith, and Sparano) are not rookie coaches so of course they feel more comfortable with their rookies.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought Campbell had a good game last night under the circumstances (i.e., receiving the clubbing he has not received since, well, since ... umm ... Pittsburgh). Doesn't seem too projecty to me. I don't think that Zorn really is running the offense he ultimately intends to run, so if there's a project, its the offense, not the QB.

The project need is for more reliability on the offensive line.

Earlier, I thought the Skins needed (and would head to) free agency to replace Marcus at SLB. Now I'm thinking about that now to infuse some veteran/youth into the O-line as well.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton Portis is saying "I'd like to run behind the best line in the league" just imagine what Jason Campbell is thinking about the O-Line today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm 8-3 in FF, playing a 1-10 team. And I'm in trouble this coming weel. He's 1-10, but he's got a bunch of guys who are all playing now.

Antonio Pittman, Tim Hightower and Joseph Addai -- all dead meat before, now all starters. He has Jonathan Stewart on the bench. His QB is Garcia who goes against Detroit. He's got 1 stud WR in Andre Johnson going against Cleveland.

He had 85 FF points (a bit better than average) with his starters this week, but his 7 bench guys had 76! Only 1 guy in the league went over 100 FF points.

Basically, I'm just hoping to hang on this coming week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So I guess what I am hearing is that Colt is on the Washington Redskin's 7yr QB training and development program.

Posted by: Soup17 | November 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

marcus mason should be on the team... Why did he not get the pass on playing this year, he tore it up in preseason, and I think he could be better than Alexander. Zorn, where you at bra?

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 17, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I know JC was pressured all night, but I'm sick of waiting for him to develop. I'd rather have a QB that plays with more heart and passion and worse technique and isn't afraid to make plays. JC seems to afraid of messing up. Therefore, we go nowhere. Favre messes up a lot because he plays so loose. JC is too tight. Problem is, when plays break down, he doesn't make something happen....and with this O-line, there's going to be a lot of breakdowns. And although Zorn wouldn't say it outright, JC doesn't have the mental speed to play his offense. He's intimated that a couple of times.

Posted by: bubba13

Let me get this straight. You've got a poor-performing o-line, which results in rushed QB decisions. Your solution to this is to replace the QB who refrains from making mistakes, and instead insert the dumber QB who is prone to making more. So instead of covering up the mistakes of one facet of the offense, you're attempting to multiply the mistakes by adding more to the plate.

This right here is how teams end up with QBs that throw 25-30 INTs in a single season.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I found a video on the Skins blog (the Matt Terl one) with London firing up the LB corps last night. There was a guy I didn't recognize, but I'm thinking it might be Matt Sinclair (living on the IR), so maybe that's going to be a good thing for next year. Not sure whether Marcus is ever going to be the same producer he once was.

http://theredskinsblog.com/2008/11/16/london-fires-em-up/

Posted by: dcsween

It might have been Fincher

Posted by: bubba13 | November 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Earlier, I thought the Skins needed (and would head to) free agency to replace Marcus at SLB. Now I'm thinking about that now to infuse some veteran/youth into the O-line as well.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 4:44 PM

Be interesting to see what their cap situation is because proven O-linemen don't come cheap. We went that route with Rabach and Thomas.

I'm hoping the Raiders will cut a few more guys who always wanted to be Redskins. If Hall works out, that virtually makes up for the picks we had to give up for Jason Taylor. What a windfall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Colt will be #2 next season......I hope so - he is fun to watch.

I believe if Malcolm Kelly did not have the knee problem he would have seen the field and made a difference. The fact he is injured and has not practiced until recently totally set him back. Santana has stated that Kelly has a lot of talent.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

marcus mason should be on the team...

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 17, 2008 4:50 PM

Mason has put up as much yardage for us this year as he has for the Jets. Dude, Mason hasn't got it. In a RB-needy league, he can't get on the field anywhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Poolman, before you diss Virginia remember who they just voted for and helped put over the top in the election. I support JC 110% and it has nothing to do with him being black, white or whatever it has to do with him being a good QB and quality person. Get over it!

Posted by: jayandcat | November 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What we need to draft :

1st round : Duke Robinson, OL, Oklahoma

3rd round : center

5th round : DE

6th round : OLB

7th round : CB/PR - Quincy Wofford from Northern Colorado?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

TE, all the other coaches in the NFL (except for Harbaugh, Smith, and Sparano) are not rookie coaches so of course they feel more comfortable with their rookies.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused Lisa, those three guys you mentioned are ALL starting rookies - two of them are starting rookie QBs!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

i played with mason in high school, just gotta love the guy...

Posted by: DCXNTX | November 17, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Your solution to this is to replace the QB who refrains from making mistakes, and instead insert the dumber QB who is prone to making more. ...

This right here is how teams end up with QBs that throw 25-30 INTs in a single season.

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 4:51 PM

"Paging Patrick Ramsey. Mr. Ramsey, phone call for you. A Mr. Cerrato is on the line."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

bubba13, Fincher is in there (#51?) in uniform. I think its Sinclair in the sweat suit.

On all this wailing and gnashing of teeth, I'm not with ya. I'm with the former Skin, Renaldo Wynn, about how the wins are never as good as they look and the losses are never as bad as they look. Admittedly, last night looked bad, but not as bad as lots of posting up here is indicating. [Admittedly, the game felt lost by a few minutes into the fourth quarter, but I digress.]

To make it to the playoffs, and succeed there, the team needs to get hot in December, not November. To make it to the playoffs in the NFC East, the team only needs to go 3-3 in the Division. NYG has changed that math a little bit. Now we just need for the Cards or the Saints to do some beating of other NFC wild card competitors (Cards already beat Dallas, sure would be sweet if they beat NYG this week ... Arizona has them at home), and then beat Philly again and we're on schedule for our 3-3 and solid in the wild card race.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

JohnDinHouston,

I will take your gambit. So, let's say that it takes two years to have a viable starter at a position. (I agree that at certain positions, like linebacker, quarterback, offensive line it may require two years.) If you have an offensive line that averages over 30 years old then you do NOT have the luxury of waiting til 2009 to start filling those positions. This line has obviously been past its prime for some time now and will not hold up until 2010 (the second year after drafting). This will get your quarterback killed in addition to stinking up the joint for all to see. Think back to the good teams of Gibbs and note that the offensive line was outstanding for each one and that number 1 and two draft picks were lavished to build them. It's not a luxury, it's a necessity.

Posted by: driley | November 17, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

I wouldn't worry about Garcia at QB if I were you. Teams tend to run the ball on them all day long and QBs end up having a mediocre day because they don't need to pass.

I have the best record in my league at 8-2 and I have a stacked lineup (Brees at QB, Portis/Thomas Jones/Jones-Drew at RB, Santana/Colston/Boldin at WR) and I think only injuries would stop me from winning it all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

What we need to draft :

1st round : Duke Robinson, OL, Oklahoma
3rd round : center
5th round : DE
6th round : OLB
7th round : CB/PR - Quincy Wofford from Northern Colorado?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 17, 2008 4:54 PM

Try again, bro. This is how we do it here in Washington DC:

1st round : tall, fast WR
3rd round : tall, fast WR with bad knees
5th round : place kicker
6th round : safety
7th round : cornerback

And that, my friend, is The Truth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, those rookie coaches are starting their rookies because they were high draft picks....2 of them QBs - on teams that desperately needed QBs. However, Flacco would not have been playing (most likely) if Troy Smith had not became ill.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Brees at QB, Portis/Thomas Jones/Jones-Drew at RB, Santana/Colston/Boldin at WR) and I think only injuries would stop me from winning it all.

Posted by: brownwood26

Sounds like my team. Only the injuries have already taken their toll on me. I had a starting lineup of Brees, R.Bush, Chris Johnson, J.Addai, S.Moss, Boldin, and the Bucs defense, and Jason Elam. Then Bush tore up his knee, Addai popped his hammy, Boldin broke his face, and Moss tweaked his hammy all within 3 weeks of each other. I'm holding on for dear life to the last wild card spot. But if my team can get/stay healthy...

Posted by: spizzle | November 17, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Dang Brownwood, that IS some team!! We've got 16 teams, so I think the talent is pretty well spread out. Colston and Boldin both missed games before ... but that group is all pretty healthy. You've got a an excellent chance at them bragging rights.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

anybody who says Campbell is not the man for the job is a complete and total idiot. Colt will look the same on his back as Campbell does. No QB can take 2 steps, get trampled an make a play he needs PROTECTION. Campbell is the QB. And just for the record I am 100% white cracker honky

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | November 17, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

And just for the record I am 100% white cracker honky

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | November 17, 2008 5:11 PM

Lemme guess ... you also have a Santana Moss tattoo?

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Talking about the draft already? Its only Monday.

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

beep beep means new thread (about trust and Fred)

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Before I come down from my PB&J-induced high, allow me to spread one ray of optimism:

We're 6-4 with a first-time head coach/play caller leading a team for which the quarterback is in his 87th different offense in 8 years.

Sure I'm frustrated about some of the problems we're having, but things could be a whole lot worse.

Posted by: freakzilla | November 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

So what, precisely, makes Colt Brennan so attractive to you Soups and Bubba?

Would it be that he lit up against guys that were preseason stars that don't play now that the games count? Or his horrible passing mechanics? Perhaps it was willingness to make obscenely bad decisions that were made OK after fact due to the stunning poor play of the 6th stringers arrayed against him.

Lets face it: Brennan is a project QB. Maybe in 2-3 years he'll replace Collins as the #2 QB. JC is the starter AND the best QB on our team.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 17, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So what, precisely, makes Colt Brennan so attractive to you Soups and Bubba?


Has to be stupidity.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Soups and Bubba - did you also watch the first Skins-Cowboys game when JC was making all of the great plays that got us the lead and had Troy Aikman saying that he was developing into one of the best young QB's in the game? Pretty short memory of all the games he won earlier this year.

The fact that JC didn't fumble last night and had only one INT compared to Romo who had two picks shows that he has a lot of composure and knows how to protect the ball. Considering the pressure and the huge hits he took after throwing the ball says something about his heart and desire.

Except for Moss who couldn't seem to get much separation from Newman, we have no deep threats on this team. Thomas was open deep ONCE and JC was scrambling to complete a pass to Cooley. Once JC has some more weapons at WR, then we can really assess how good he is at QB.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Lemme guess ... you also have a Santana Moss tattoo?

Posted by: dcsween | November 17, 2008 5:12 PM


no santana moss tattoo idiot, although i do have a jersey. the point i was trying to make is the whole Black/white QB thing is very tired and only brought up by people who have nothing intelligent to say. It will get better soon. people wanna tank the whole season after a loss. They are a good team that didn't play that bad of a game last nite, just the PROTECTION. and lack of a real pass rush

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | November 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

hmmmmmmmm...watching monday night football and Trent Edwards just threw 3 ints in ONE FREAKIN HALF OF FOOTBALL...in fact he has like 7 ints in his last three games...wonder if those fans are calling for his head? I doubt it...I don't hear any boos, in fact the stadium is just as loud as it was at the start of the game...you freakin' fairweather fans could really take a lesson from the folks in Buffalo!! Go Skins!

Posted by: tejr3575 | November 17, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

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