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Campbell's future with Redskins should come into focus with draft

My BlackBerry buzzed often Wednesday night while I was having dinner here in Indianapolis with Jason La Canfora, who apparently used to do something for The Post. It's hard getting face time with the television star these days, so I was glad my boy could squeeze me into his busy schedule before the scouting combine got underway.

Between sharing a few laughs, we both were busy checking out rumors about a potential Redskins trade that supposedly would send Jason Campbell, a restricted free agent, to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick. The Campbell-Whitner talk has been out there a while and really got rolling on a Buffalo Bills message board recently.

People familiar with the situation told me they did not envision the Redskins completing a deal with Buffalo involving Campbell. At some point during the combine, Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, is expected to speak with Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen about a contract extension for Campbell.

Whether the Redskins are willing to commit money to Campbell beyond the 2010 season - or for the upcoming season, for that matter - remains to be seen. It would be surprising, however, if the team decided not to tender Campbell a contract, league sources said.

The Redskins would have to tender Campbell to receive draft compensation if he signed elsewhere. Campbell's minimum tender amount would be $3.14 million, according to a league source. If the Redskins increased the offer to $3.268 million, they would receive first- and third-round compensation. Last season, Campbell had a salary of a little more than $2.857 million.

Although multiple team sources have said they believe the Redskins plan to bring back Campbell, I would not be surprised if he is not with the team next season. Allen and Coach Mike Shanahan have a lot of work ahead of them as they try to rebuild the Redskins into a championship-caliber team, and they could determine that trading Campbell soon makes the most sense for their long-term goals.

If the Redskins use the No. 4 overall pick on a quarterback like Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen, then Campbell's time in Washington likely would come to an end after the season, if not sooner. But if Allen and Shanahan have concerns about Bradford's shoulder or Clausen's leadership skills, and if they determine that a franchise-caliber quarterback is not available in next month's draft, then perhaps Campbell sticks around for a little bit longer.

By Jason Reid  |  February 25, 2010; 11:05 AM ET
Categories:  Bruce Allen , Jason Campbell , Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan  
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Sounds like a fair trade to me.

Hope they do it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Whitner and a 3rd, I'd do in a second.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV - another link with info about the combine:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/day_1_at_the_nfl_scouting_comb.html

MistaMoe - 329 players were invited to the combine. There's probably another 100 players that weren't invited that teams will look at. Are you telling me you would make cut ups of over 400 players to evaluate them? Remember, you have to do it yourself, becuase if you rely on players and agents to provide you this, then you are going to get a decidedly rosier picture of the player. I am not disagreeing that the cut ups are a good idea, but I think it is unpractical to think you're going to get that much film on all of those players. There probably isn't that much film to be had on at least half of the players. As I said before, I think you have to factor in a lot of things, the combine just being one of them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Everyone on here says that we're in a rebuild mode and we need so many other things than an upgrade over Campbell right now.

If you accept that as true, then if you can get a young starter at a need position (FS) and add a draft pick for a mediocre QB that can be replaced by Colt, Todd, Pennington, Bulger, a draft pick or anything really while you're rebuilding why wouldn't you do it? Even if you're not "upgrading" on JC you're adding a starter and a draft pick for a guy who is just average anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

The Campbell-Whitner talk has been out there a while and really got rolling on a Buffalo Bills message board recently.

By Jason Reid

Funny, this is the first time I've heard of it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Uh-oh, the Jasons on the loose in Indy! We're gettin' the band back together, man!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'd do that trade in a quick minute, however I'd still not draft a qb at #4...bring in someone to hold the reins for a year...get the OL up to speed, get a RB, and THEN bring in a qb...

or trade Betts for Brady and Moss, whichever works best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Whitner and a 3rd, I'd do in a second.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:32 AM
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Why are they so interested in Whitner? Isn't he more of a strong safety-type? Maybe they are planning on moving Landry after all...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'd do that trade in a quick minute, however I'd still not draft a qb at #4...bring in someone to hold the reins for a year...get the OL up to speed, get a RB, and THEN bring in a qb...

or trade Betts for Brady and Moss, whichever works best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 11:40 AM
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I'd want a draft pick with that trade as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

So I guess that would make Cindy the "Penguin."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:37 AM agree

Posted by: hcic55 | February 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them talk to the Rams about Atogwe and a pick also, either the Bills or the Rams one would work for me.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd do that trade in a quick minute, however I'd still not draft a qb at #4...bring in someone to hold the reins for a year...get the OL up to speed, get a RB, and THEN bring in a qb...

or trade Betts for Brady and Moss, whichever works best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 11:40 AM
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I'd want a draft pick with that trade as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 11:41 AM
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And maybe some fries and an apple pie...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Having him step into the Giants game for the last 5 plays of the 1st half was the only highlight of that game (except JC's screen pass into the stands..haha).. Collins went 2 for 4 and 57 yards and Davis drops a sure TD. It was like.. for the first time in the game we had a real QB behind center. Then the next and last play of the Half, Zorn made it known he really wanted to be fired....He called the swinging gate play, twice...lmfao...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 25, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, like I said Collins has that 1 pass up the middle. That's it. You know what happens after that? He gets shut out the rest of the game. He can't throw to the sidelines. That's why he stays on the bench. I know you think he's great but he's really not. He'll throw that 1 deep pass across the middle then the defense will adjust and he'll be useless the rest of the game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 11:37 AM

Hogs Haven had it two weeks ago.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

When/where do the Bills pick? I think the Skins shouldn’t get rid of Campbell until after their first pick of the draft so other teams won’t be able to get a good read of what they will do. If they trade Campbell before the draft, everyone will know they will go after a QB with the 4th pick….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead,
Been trying to say the same thing to Moe myself….he will just keep arguing until you are completely off the real point you were trying to make, as he likes to hear himself talk, and seems to think he can pull peoples strings like some sort of puppet master…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 25, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I thought Donte Whitner played the same position as LL?? SS??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Everyone on here says that we're in a rebuild mode and we need so many other things than an upgrade over Campbell right now.

If you accept that as true, then if you can get a young starter at a need position (FS) and add a draft pick for a mediocre QB that can be replaced by Colt, Todd, Pennington, Bulger, a draft pick or anything really while you're rebuilding why wouldn't you do it? Even if you're not "upgrading" on JC you're adding a starter and a draft pick for a guy who is just average anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Because Campbell is still young and after a season of having the crap kicked out of him his value is low right now. It makes more sense to build the line this year and let him have a much better season this year then move him when his value is high if you still want to move him. You also don't know what you have in him yet. You at least try him in your system and see how he takes to it. If Shanny runs a system where the QB bootlegs and throws on the run then JC could do very well due to his arm strength and mobility. If he doesn't fit your system then you get rid of him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If I were the Skins, I'd look at trying to get a first day pick and/or Trent Edwards in that deal. I'm not sure how a JC/Whitner deal straight up helps the Skins, at least for 2010.

And I think Whitner is a SS...don't we want a FS so we can move Landry to SS?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, like I said Collins has that 1 pass up the middle. That's it. You know what happens after that? He gets shut out the rest of the game. He can't throw to the sidelines. That's why he stays on the bench. I know you think he's great but he's really not. He'll throw that 1 deep pass across the middle then the defense will adjust and he'll be useless the rest of the game.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

right, he got NFL player of the month because he can only throw one pass. He won 5 straight games with one pass.

I completely agree that he is nowhere near the athlete that JC is. But the fact is every time he's played he's outperformed JC, excuse it any way you want to but the Chiefs game he had more yards and points than JC, the Giants game he had more yards and should have had points if Davis catches the ball he should have in 5 attempts then JC had in a half, and he would have won that Seattle playoff game if Cooley doesn't drop and TD and Suisham miss a 30 yard field goal. There is no debating every time he's had an opportunity he's done better than JC with the exact same talent.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Because Campbell is still young and after a season of having the crap kicked out of him his value is low right now. It makes more sense to build the line this year and let him have a much better season this year then move him when his value is high if you still want to move him. You also don't know what you have in him yet. You at least try him in your system and see how he takes to it. If Shanny runs a system where the QB bootlegs and throws on the run then JC could do very well due to his arm strength and mobility. If he doesn't fit your system then you get rid of him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

right.....year 6 will be the year!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them talk to the Rams about Atogwe and a pick also, either the Bills or the Rams one would work for me.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse


Atogwe is a lot better then Whitner, Im not sure if they would do a trade for the same price.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

One thing I do know....This post just validates that Jason Campbell won't be here next year.....

...Trade talks have alreaddy gained momentum.....Good for Campbell...Chan Gailey is a QB's type Coach....And he is a former College Coach....Just what he needs...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Scintillating, razor sharp analysis.

"We won't know what the Redskins will do, until after they do whatever it is they may in fact do""

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 25, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hogs Haven had it two weeks ago.

Posted by: TWISI | February 25, 2010 11:44 AM

I read it too. Whitner has been very average since he was drafted #8 overall in 2006. If Haslett is looking for more turnovers, then Donte is not your guy. 3 INTs 1 sack for his career. The Bills drafted his replacement last year in Byrd.

Then there is this..

On April 10th Donte Whitner was arrested in downtown Cleveland early Saturday morning after police tried to break up a "near riot" in front of the House of Blues. Police used a Taser to subdue Whitner, who was arrested for aggravated disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

however I'd still not draft a qb at #4...bring in someone to hold the reins for a year...get the OL up to speed, get a RB, and THEN bring in a qb...

or trade Betts for Brady and Moss, whichever works best....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 11:40 AM

But then that QB will need a year to get adjusted.

Get the QB this year so he can grow with the team. Whether it be 1st round (Bradford) or 2nd round (Pike). and they'll be straight for 2011.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

^^^^^All Charges were dropped in that case...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Paskins fan... if Shanahan is convinced he needs to truly go another direction at QB, this is the year to do it. Not because the candidates are so great you must take them now, but because it makes sense to start the team and the new QB on their growth curve now. Keeping JC with a plan to get another guy later just wastes time (from their perspective).

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 25, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Pass on Whitner unless the pick is the major part of the deal.

I'd rather sign Sharper in FA to address the FS spot. Even if it would be a short term solution.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

right, he got NFL player of the month because he can only throw one pass. He won 5 straight games with one pass.

I completely agree that he is nowhere near the athlete that JC is. But the fact is every time he's played he's outperformed JC, excuse it any way you want to but the Chiefs game he had more yards and points than JC, the Giants game he had more yards and should have had points if Davis catches the ball he should have in 5 attempts then JC had in a half, and he would have won that Seattle playoff game if Cooley doesn't drop and TD and Suisham miss a 30 yard field goal. There is no debating every time he's had an opportunity he's done better than JC with the exact same talent.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Byron Leftwich looked better than Big Ben when he replaced him when the Steelers played the Redskins.

Does that mean he is a better QB?

I bet that no team spends time preparing for Todd Collins before they play the skins.

If you had a larger sample of play. Say 6 consecutive games, Todd Collins wouldn't look so great by games 5 and 6.

BTW this isn't a defense of Campbell. Just sayin TC isn't that great.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

df, whitner, is younger and less expensive that Sharper, I'd take Whitner,and a third in a second on that deal...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

We have smart people running the team!

Posted by: alex35332 | February 25, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^All Charges were dropped in that case...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:59 AM

Where there is smoke...

He's also a SS. No thanks unless it's accompanied by their 2nd rd pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 25, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

They don't need any more "thugs" on the team.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't be fair to Campbell to give him only 1 year to learn Shanny's offense. Campbell should be given 2years to show that he can run the new offense. Make the decision on Campbell after he's had 2 years in the new system (and after we've built a dominant o-line).

Posted by: coparker5 | February 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

df, whitner, is younger and less expensive that Sharper, I'd take Whitner,and a third in a second on that deal...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

He's younger, but that's about all he has over Sharper. If you want a defense to have turnovers, I'd take Sharper over Whitner without thinking twice about it.

If they intend to deal Campbell and that's the best they can do though... I could live with it. But if they could trade Campbell for something else while signing Sharper, I'd rather have that scenario.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sharper is a low budget Sean Taylor...

Pass...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

If you had a larger sample of play. Say 6 consecutive games, Todd Collins wouldn't look so great by games 5 and 6.

BTW this isn't a defense of Campbell. Just sayin TC isn't that great.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG.

Btw, I'm not saying Collins is that good either, I am saying he's better than Campbell which IMO isn't saying that much.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

No sense getting rid of Campbell unless a plan B is already in place. Many areas of need ...

Posted by: shanks1 | February 25, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

One thing I do know....This post just validates that Jason Campbell won't be here next year...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 11:53 AM


Not sure why you'd say that when JC was the subject of trade rumors last year too. Last time I checked, he played.

I still maintain that you keep him, unless there's an obvious upgrade available in free agency.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 25, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Sharper is a low budget Sean Taylor...

Pass...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Sharper is a FS, which would allow Landry to move back to SS. Whitner would probably mean that Landry remains at FS. Which, would suck.

That is unless they also intend to trade Landry if Whitner is brought in. Would still leave a hole ad FS.

Posted by: dfbovey | February 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

There's plenty debating that. TC completed 1 deep pass againts the Chiefs then did nothing afterwards except get nailed for a safety. TC never faced the intital onsluaght of getting the crap kicked out of him in the first half nor did he face any defense that was prepared for him. That's why he nails that first pass out of the gate then sucks the rest of the game. Once the defense adjust TC is useless. Imagine if they had a whole week to prepare for him. You do remember the Seattle game don't you?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, lets ship JC off for another overratted SS, we dont have enough of those around here. And Todd Collins is certainly better, anytime you can name an immoblie limp armed 38 yr old qb your starter, you have to do it, right zjfr2? And Colt is certainly better than all of them, he was a third stringer only because he slept with one of the Sherman's girlfriends...

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought Collins played in the last four games in 2007 plus the one playoff game?

Five games. Not six.

When thew defense took away the screens, slants, and the rest of the short stuff, Collins couldn't make the throws downfield consistently.

Give whatever reason you want for Gibbs going over Todd Collins, but I know this: NO ONE on the planet with any type of credibility was clamoring for Collins to start over Campbell. Ever. No coaches, no players, no front office types, no "unnamed sources" -- NOBODY!

It baffles me how much some of you are so agenda driven that you'll just make outlandish claims.

Collins is better than Campbell??? Right, based on few games he strung together in 2007. Or maybe it's those few starts he had a few years ago.

In 1997.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG.

Btw, I'm not saying Collins is that good either, I am saying he's better than Campbell which IMO isn't saying that much.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


When was this because Collins took over in the Bears game then he beat NY, Dallas, Minnesota, and had his ass handed to him by Seattle. He only played 3 games in which the defense preapred for him. By game they had enough tape on him. That's why Seattle crushed him. If you want to blame the Seattle game on sacks then cry me a effing river Campbell is hit before he completes a 3 step drop.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, lets ship JC off for another overratted SS, we dont have enough of those around here. And Todd Collins is certainly better, anytime you can name an immoblie limp armed 38 yr old qb your starter, you have to do it, right zjfr2? And Colt is certainly better than all of them, he was a third stringer only because he slept with one of the Sherman's girlfriends...

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't arguing to name Collins the starter. I would prefer Pennington, Bulger, or a draftee. My argument was that a 38 year old journeyman noodle armed QB has outperformed at every opportunity, so what exactly are we losing by him leaving? If we can get a 3rd for him do it! Or maybe you and PA are right, year 6 will be his coming out party and his inability to read defenses, keep track of down and distance, throw an accurate pass, be productive while the game is close, not fumble, have any pocket awareness, slow windup, tendency to lock on to receivers, and throw screen passes, a hail mary, or last second 4th and 9 plays (2nd Cowboys game) out of bounds will all vanish and suddenly he'll be a franchise QB......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

NFL.com says Donte Whitner is a FS...

And the best the would likely get is a third or a fourth...

And if we want to gyrate with rumors, it's also out there that Jake Plummer wants back in the NFL... last coached by Shanny... and his last GM was Allen... hmmmm?

Trade for Whitner... sign Plummer for 1-year to groom Clausen (not a noodle armed Bradford)... use you 2nd rounder on an OT and your 3rd on a RB...

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them talk to the Rams about Atogwe and a pick also, either the Bills or the Rams one would work for me.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 11:42 AM

Haslett was the defensive coordinator and then interim head coach when the Rams started the multi-season exercise starting with the highest RFA tender then serial franchise tags, i.e., Haslett probably would agree about Atogwe as a FS candidate of interest.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Seriously! Somebody is willing to give us a position of need and a 3rd rounder that we don't have for JC17? PINCH ME!! JC17 or whom ever the veteran they choose at QB this year will play the Jake the snake role, keeping the position warm for Bradford @ #4. I know, I know, you all have to be realist now and accept the fact and signs are pointing to a QB @ #4. "Future is now" groom the QB of the future now not a year from now.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bradford has announced he will not throw at the combine and from those who watched him workout recently, that’s not a bad idea. Evidently Bradford was allowed to let loose during his training last week in Florida. Sources have said his deep outs fluttered and showed little speed. Evidently Bradford has not impressed to many people with his athleticism either.

Let's hope it is not BRADFORD

Posted by: bschaef12 | February 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of how you feel about Campbell, one thing is certain, he is 28 years old. After next season, the word potential becomes a pejorative without a breakout season. After next season, if he doesn't finish as one of the top QB's of the season, his best hope for will be to finish his career like Rich Gannon -- emerging from relative obscurity to post three or four good seasons at the end of his playing days.

Posted by: tkoho | February 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of how you feel about Campbell, one thing is certain, he is 28 years old. After next season, the word potential becomes a pejorative without a breakout season. After next season, if he doesn't finish as one of the top QB's of the season, his best hope for will be to finish his career like Rich Gannon -- emerging from relative obscurity to post three or four good seasons at the end of his playing days.

Posted by: tkoho | February 25, 2010 12:39 PM
agreed.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If they're going to draft a quarterback then Jason should lose the starting position fair and square. If your draft pick is a bust then you start all over again. Shades of Heath Shuler. How many QB's have the Lions, Cleveland, Minnesota, San Fran, and Arizona drafted that have set their franchise back 3-5 years? I believe you can win with JC and a good O-line.

Posted by: phatter1 | February 25, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't arguing to name Collins the starter. I would prefer Pennington, Bulger, or a draftee. My argument was that a 38 year old journeyman noodle armed QB has outperformed at every opportunity, so what exactly are we losing by him leaving? If we can get a 3rd for him do it! Or maybe you and PA are right, year 6 will be his coming out party and his inability to read defenses, keep track of down and distance, throw an accurate pass, be productive while the game is close, not fumble, have any pocket awareness, slow windup, tendency to lock on to receivers, and throw screen passes, a hail mary, or last second 4th and 9 plays (2nd Cowboys game) out of bounds will all vanish and suddenly he'll be a franchise QB......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:23 PM

Wow, its pretty amazing he was able to put up 20td's and and 3600 yards while playing behind a horrid offensive line, jv running backs, and his best receiver out for the year given all of the deficiencies that you had listed above.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh, the Jasons on the loose in Indy! We're gettin' the band back together, man!

Posted by: NateinthePDX

If that aint a Mission from God, I don't know what is.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Trading Campbell makes sense if it brings in draft picks. It seems like neither Allen or Shanahan is crazy about Campbell so keeping him for one more year doesn't really make sense if you can get value for him now. The Skins are a rebuilding team and need to add picks and young players. I would be surprised if the Bills give up this much for Campbell but if they are willing to make the trade it would be great for the Skins.


Posted by: skinsFan74 | February 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Bradford or Clausen? Clausen or Bradford?

Tough call. Geez, I remember when the debate was: Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?"

Neither of these guys are Manning, either or both may prove to be a Leaf.

Trade down and rebuild from the ground up. It makes so much sense. ANY QB would get killed next year without a serious upgrade of the OLine.

Posted by: TheCork | February 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: hessone | February 25, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"How many QB's have the Lions, Cleveland, Minnesota, San Fran, and Arizona drafted that have set their franchise back 3-5 years? I believe you can win with JC and a good O-line.Posted by: phatter1"

You bring up Minnesota. That's a club that has been built around something other than a QB. Jackson has teased the fans, but ultimately disappointed. Childress keeps threatening to put him back in, but so far they haven't.

You could argue that Minnesota thoroughly outplayed the Saints this year and deserved to win.

If I were Jason Campbell, I'd love to go to the Vikings. Campbell follows directions, and that' what they seem to value in Minnesota.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"It seems like neither Allen or Shanahan is crazy about Campbell"

You're right. He doesn't seem like their sort of QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 25, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of what you think (or not) of JC17, it's readily apparent that the team will need at least two QBs to get through next season and beyond. And for too long, JC17 has had this team over a barrel because they had few viable alternatives -- while some regarded JC17 as the "least bad" of several other terrible alternatives -- like playing the white guy, or getting somebody else in there who might actually know what he's doing.

Personally, I would like to see the Redskins draft a QB AND take one from free agency, and then if we must, offer a minimum tender to JC17 too.

I also find it hard to understand why Redskins can't fix the QB position and the O Line at the same time.

It also bugs me that many people have already written off any chance of the Redskins actually competing for the division in 2010 and beyond -- that is, until JC17 and CP26 (among others) are gone and the Redskins have an opportunity to restock their skilled positions from the supposedly "deeper" draft classes coming in the years ahead. The short answer to that is to get rid of JC17 and CP26 now, and get some real players in there who can get it done.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Collins is a 30 something, career backup!!! I honestly do not get it. the guy has done NOTHING in his career, but folks come on here and rave like he's Brady in waiting.

If Collins were all that, why has he NEVER started in the NFL?

the last year they made the playoffs, JC appeared to be breaking through and hurt his knee. The team was playing a lot better and finally appeared to be running Al Saunders offense (minus the Gibbs constraints). Todd Collins started a few games and won.

However, in the 1st round of the playoffs against Seattle, Collins looked totally inept. Our offense was not a threat what so ever. If Collins threw a pass more than 20-yards it looked like a duck and a couple were intercepted. At that point I realized we could not win with Collins as our QB.

Apparently, I and very few other fans are the only one's that remember that game. many of you fail to recall coming into this season it was assumed Colt Brennan would beat Collins out for the backup spot.

Collins completed a couple of passes to Moss this year, got tackled for a safety and nothing else. he got a couple of shots this year. he completed one nice pass early, but NOTHING after that. that's right ZERO-NADA! Trade Campbell

Posted by: oknow1 | February 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on now...who's Lindsay gunna have dinner with when she covers the Skins?

Posted by: cbmuzik | February 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG.

Btw, I'm not saying Collins is that good either, I am saying he's better than Campbell which IMO isn't saying that much.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The Rogers missed pick 6 against Seattle was not in the Todd Collins year, that was the year we beat Tampa and played Seattle in the 2nd round

Posted by: wstclair | February 25, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm reading some good things on here today. Let's just face it, nobody knows how this whole Jason Cambell thing will work out. Some of you want him gone and some of you say let him run Shanahan's offense. Let's talk about something that might actually happen. Let's say we pick up a free agent on the denfensive side of the ball. Darren Sharper. He is in his mid 30's so he wouldn't cost us that much cause let's face it Laron Landry is getting killed out there in coverage. We could pick up a few OL in free agency and the draft. Dockery will have his spot back. I'm almost certain that we bring Raback back even though I know he is a free agent. We have three spots on our offensive line that will need to get filled. I wish Samuels would just come out and say the he is done so that we could just move on. I'm telling you right now some of you might to just calm down cause Shanahan could pick someone at our 4th pick that nobody saw. What I'm afraid of is if we pick Clausen or Bradford and tender Cambell and he has his best year as a Redskin. Then I'm really gonna hate to see him leave. I say if the front office knows that Cambell is not in our long term plans then lets get rid of him now and try to pick up some more draft picks or players with a trade for him.

I do believe that we will be running the 3-4 denfense this year. We have to many former Steelers coaches on our roster that wouldn't tell me anything different. I am actually kind of excited about us running the 3-4. I think it will allow Haynesworth to do what he does best in rushing the QB. If our defense could come away with more INT's this year we will be fine. Our denfense will be top 10 again. The Offense is where we have the most question marks. They are already talking about slimming Portis down some to get some of his explosiveness back. Our TE's are good. I really believe that Thomas will have his breakout season this year. Moss will continue to do what he does. We need a thrid receiver to step up and that will really balance our offense, or if they can find a way to dominate the field with Cooley and Davis. I have complete faith in Bruce Allen and Shanahan turning this team around and getting us back to being a divisional favorite year in and year out. Skins for Life.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | February 25, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

whats painfully obvious is no one here knows anything about football, yall just think you do because you watch the games and ESPN. For ever post I read I can give you a player or team that defies your post. We have seen great QB's that never won a superbowl, (Marino, Fouts, Bledsoe, Testiverde), Great ones who have, (Montana, Elway, Aikman), Staubach, Bradshaw, we have had low draft picks become great QB's, (Brady, Montana), High drafted QB's who did not win championships until they were far into their careers, (Plunkett, Theisman,) Average guys who won championships, (Sims,Dilfer,Rypien) All kinds. With that said how do we really know at this point if Campbell is going to get better or is this the best he will be. None of us know. I remember we were trying to run Mark Rypien out of town before he and the team could improved. He ended up superbowl MVP. I say build a team and then worry about the QB. If you build a good team around the position it will be much easier to solve the QB problem. Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. I never recalled him looking that much better than Campbell. But he played on a good team. The NY Giants won two superbowls within 3 years with two different QB's that no one considered elite until they won them. Most of you guys just do a lot of yappin without any real substance other than your emotions to back it up.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Is clausen or bradford any better than Mckoy? Did any of them look any better than the class the year before them? Remember Chase Daniel and Graham Harrell? They were just as good and did not make an NFL team. The only advantage of starting over with QB's, especially going with rookies is that they have not gone through as many systems as campbell has so they only have to learn one.

Here is my expert analysis for what it is worth. Draft, OL, another D back, Keep campbell for his final year, get a QB in the low rounds just like you did to get Daniel and Brennan and for your free agent splash pickup, and you people are going to laugh, Brandon Marshall. You give any QB a good line, A healthy portis, Moss, Kelly, Cooley, Davis, Thomas, Brandon Marshall and the other WR that did not play much last season and I think they will win again. Even with campbell. And if campbell does not play up then you can always get rid of him next year with a sound team already in place. Dont waste this years draft worrying about a QB.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

He played 6 consecutive games when everyone knew he'd be the starter he went 5-1 and probably should have been 6-0 if Rogers completes the easiest pick 6 ever, Cooley catches that TD he dropped, and/or Suisham makes that FG.

Btw, I'm not saying Collins is that good either, I am saying he's better than Campbell which IMO isn't saying that much.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Here is the deal with collins, he plays well when no one is game planning for him. When he was winning those games the skins were running the ball and playing great defense and no coaches were spending time studying film on collins until the playoffs. As soon as he started making a name for himself with them winning 5 games the seahawks game planned to his weeknesses and we could not beat them even without sean alexander. Just like when he came in for campbell this year his first couple of passes were successful because the other team did not know his tendencies, the problem is once teams figure him out he goes from decent back to mediocre or worse. A good QB can be productive even if you game plan for him weeks in advance. Collins is like a pitcher with two pitches, most hitter figure them out before the seasons over.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense to keep Campbell it makes no sense to draft a qb with the 4th pcik esp if Campbell will start this year. Why not help him out by drafting the best avaible ol to upgrade the protection Campbell needs. Drafting a Qb just takes away from needs. Locker will be avable next year, he will turn out better then this draft class which has everyone of them having major question marks

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 25, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I bet that no team spends time preparing for Todd Collins before they play the skins. If you had a larger sample of play. Say 6 consecutive games, Todd Collins wouldn't look so great by games 5 and 6.
BTW this isn't a defense of Campbell. Just sayin TC isn't that great.
Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8
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No team spends time preparing for Todd Collins before they play the skins because Collins wasn't the starting QB.. why would a team prepare for the backup guy? IF Collins started they would prepare for him. As far as a large sample of games in 2007 Campell lost his last 4 starts and Collins came in and won the next 4 starts.. that's got to tell you something. As far as great don't think anyone is calling Collins great.. but is is better than Campbell.. you don't have to be great for that...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

we both were busy checking out rumors about a potential Redskins trade that supposedly would send Jason Campbell, a restricted free agent, to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick
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Best rumor I've heard in years... Please Redskins make the deal... Please Please PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

A good QB can be productive even if you game plan for him weeks in advance. Collins is like a pitcher with two pitches, most hitter figure them out before the seasons over.
Posted by: ged0386
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Wait a minute.. in 2007 the skins won 2 games with Collins at QB, next was Minnesota in Minnesota. If the Vikings won they would have made the playoffs.. this game meant everything to them and your saying they didn't game plan for Collins??? BTW Collins wasn't that bad in the Seattle game.. yeah he had no pass protection and no running game and the Seahawks hadn't lost a game at home all year and their fans were called the 12th man because they were the loudest in the league but still Collins got the Skins the lead in the 3rd quarter. And then Cooley dropped a pass that would have given the Skins 1st and goal. The pick he threw later was because Moss didn't see the ball (hard to see how Collins is at fault because Moss never saw the pass coming) The Skins lost but it was to a very good team away.. Don't know how you can't say 4-1 is pretty good for a guy who hadn't played in 10 years!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Most of you guys just do a lot of yappin without any real substance other than your emotions to back it up.
Posted by: ged0386
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And what substance do you have??? How are you any different that us??? All I know is Jurgensen said the Skins would have been better with Collins starting. Charlie Casserly said Campbell is not a good QB in the WCO. Yeah you can say we don't have substance.. but those guys DO!!! So explain to me why you know more about football then those guys???

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Until the Redskins address their dismal OL play, talking about a QB is ridiculous. This is not a chicken-egg problem. A decent QB, like Campbell, would perform much better behind a solid OL. However, any QB will get pummeled behind a bad OL. Therefore, the smart choice is fix the OL first.

Besides, picking CJ Spiller long before any QB coming out this draft is a better value.

This QB at #4 talk needs to end before Snyder starts buying into it.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | February 25, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The obvious answer is to trade Campbell and rely on Todd Collins. As a saftey valve, we can probably pry Mark Brunnell from whatever team he's on. Thus the qb situation is solved!

(No irony here.)

Posted by: ShovelPlease | February 25, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Give whatever reason you want for Gibbs going over Todd Collins, but I know this: NO ONE on the planet with any type of credibility was clamoring for Collins to start over Campbell. Ever. No coaches, no players, no front office types, no "unnamed sources" -- NOBODY!
Posted by: RedDMV
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Nobody?? Do you consider Sonny Jurgensen a nobody because this is what he said about Campbell after the first 4 games of the season "I would have had Collins in there. But you know, you've got to remember, in these games, I think Collins would have won all four of these games, if he had played, starting against Detroit or the Rams, yeah. Because Colllins goes to the right place with the ball all the time. He doesn't have the same velocity that Jason's ball does, Jason has a big arm, but I'm just saying, he knows the offense and we've seen him do that before."

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

On a more serious note--can you imagine being a Buffalo Bills fan and right after learning that Chan Gailey will be the new coach, learning that Jason Campbell will be the new quarterback.

Posted by: ShovelPlease | February 25, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The obvious answer is to trade Campbell and rely on Todd Collins.
Posted by: ShovelPlease
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As a bridge till either Colt or Clausen is ready why not. Collins can go for a 1/2 a year or a year and he won't cost the team an extra 3 mil to do it. No one is saying Collins is a long term answer but as a bridge why not?


As a safety valve, we can probably pry Mark Brunnell from whatever team he's on.
Posted by: ShovelPlease
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Don't know about that.. Mark seems pretty happy walking around with that new Super Bowl ring he has... See New Orleans knows having a veteran QB is not a bad thing.. but then again what do they know about winning football games



Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who say that it is senseless to draft a QB with a #4 pick..when the O line is so weak. The line has trouble
with run blocking, and look at how JC was sacked and harassed all year when going back to throw.
If you draft a QB..it is likely that he will not be productive for a couple of years, or until a miracle happens, and we obtain 3-4
big strong, O linemen, with quick feet.
JC..is not the future here, but he is better in the shorter run..1-2 years than any other options I can see.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 25, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is going to be a better choice for next year.If they draft Clausen or Bradford do you think either will be better than Campbell for 16 games?I hope the Redskins put a oline in front of Campbell and we may find out we already have a QB.

Posted by: goodeedward | February 25, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

sovine08

So you are arguing that a career backup that has never started a full season in 15 years with no injuries is a winner just because you want to defend your position regarding our starting QB that you dont like as the starting QB. Please if you dont like Jason thats one thing but when you try to use Collins as an example of a better choice you have to think about why he has been a career backup before you post that blog. Otherwise you sound as if you dont know what a good QB is. All collins is is what you think of Campbell just a decade older. Please dont compare them. When you compare campbell use someone like Vince Young or Phillip Rivers or Drew Brees, guys that have progressed into good QB's in various ways. You lose me with the Collins is better than campbell. He is not, you just havent seen him as much. But then again you would know more than all the coaches for all the teams that collins has played for right? What was I thinking? You blog on the WP. You know everything about everything. My apologies for questioning your football IQ. Those coaches dont have a clue.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The short answer to that is to get rid of JC17 and CP26 now, and get some real players in there who can get it done.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 25, 2010 1:25 PM

Thats the difference between blogger fans and real NFL people. Bloggers can always tell you who to get rid of but they cant tell you who to get to replace them without hindsight. We all can say Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco is better after they get drafted and show it. We all are experts on Mondays. You say get rid of JC and CP but you have no idea what the teams options are after that. You have no idea who to draft, who will actually be available with their pics what their real strengths and weaknesses are and how much money the skins have to spend. You just know get rid of this guy or that guy and then throw a couple of names out their that you hear about on sports shows. Get rid of JC and replace him with who a rookie that with hope may be half as good as Mark Sanchez? Who was up and down? Get rid of CP and replace him with who? LT? Westbrook? Do you even know who is on the draft board at RB without using a search engine to find out? How can we even think we know who the skins should have when we are soo lazy that we havent a clue if we can use a search engine. Real NFL people can make personnel moves without the help of the internet or ESPN. They actually go out and evaluate the players. We pull them up on the computer.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

blazerguy234

You are right. Even if JC is not the answer he is the best option to hold over for a year until we get better personnel in all the other positions that we are lacking in. If you draft a QB, get rid of JC with our current line and he learning a new system, guess what that guy will be in two years? Just like JC. Fans will be calling for his head, claiming that the guy behind him is better, or get a new guy, just like we are doing now. Fans are fickle. Just like the wizards fans, they are already complaining about the coach after wanting the previous coach to be fired. I swear if fans had their way we would be the detroit lions always. We would never have the same coach or QB or players for more than a year if they did not win.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Get an Oline, a couple of defensive backs with some versitility and sign Brandon Marshall and we will win. That way you can actually find out if whoever we have as QB is any good.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

2.8 million last year for Campbell. JC should be in jail for robbery. Who the eff ever thought this clown was worth that kind of money? Trade him . Buffalo sounds good because living in upstate NY like I do, I will have loads of fun picking on bills fans and their worthless QB.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | February 25, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Trading JC makes no sense when there is no franchise-type QB in the draft. Neither Claussen or Bradford has shown they could even perform at the level of Eli Manning, let alone his brother. Use the 4th pick for a top flight LT or trade down in the 1st round to get multiple picks, but make sure that a starting-calibre LT is selected. Whether JC stays beyond this season or not, any QB will be killed playing behind the current line.

As evidenced by the ill-fated drafting of Heath Shuler many years ago under a new coach, drafting QB's high in the 1st round is a risky proposition. We know that we've got at least a solid QB in JC to build around over the next couple of years. Once the team is more competitive and has filled its other holes, then we can worry about upgrading the position.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 25, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

sovine08

What do you know about collins? He went 5-1 during a 6 game stretch of a 15 year career in which he never was a starter on multiple NFL teams and you are using him as a baseline for measuring a good QB alternative to JC? After 15 seasons, never being a starter if you still have to wonder then you already know the answer. A 5-1 stretch of a 15 years season does not put you in the list of starting NFL QB's. I can think of a lot of mediocre QB's that have a better record than collins because they were actually good enough to start some games. Think about it, in 15 seasons collins has never beaten anyone out for a starting job. Even Brady Quinn and Demarcus Russell has started. Like I said, I guess WP bloggers see something that 15 years of NFL coaches missed about this guy. Please find another QB to compare to JC. Someone who is clearly better. But fickle skins fans only need 5 minutes to decide if you are potentially good or a bust. Hey until last year we had Colt Brennen ahead of both JC and Collins because he had a couple of nice drives during pre season against pre season competition. Then we saw him have one bad quarter during pre season and changed our minds. This is the thinking of a typical skins fan. They can be swayed for or against you in no time. Especially if the team is losing.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Do they pay you for this drivel? Either the Redskins will draft a QB, in which Campbell is done. Or, they wont' draft a QB, in which case Campbell stays around a while longer. How many more ways can you say the same tired junk?

This doesn't even begin to go into why anybody should expect the Redskins, under the GENIUS's ownership, will be any different in the future? Remember all the junk printed about the future when the GENIUS hired Gibbs? What happened with all that?

So, here's the really important question Jason, what did you have for dinner?

Posted by: atidwell | February 25, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

jake plummer wants to get back in the league? then, why is he OUT???

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 25, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Come on, you are not giving Jason Campbell a fair shake. Get him a line to give him time, all the receivers stepping up to the plate, both of the tight ends and running back performing, then evaluate him. In otjher words, give him the tools he needs or at least something to work with. He has a good arm, he has gotten better with his release and he is now on his what, 4th-5th scheme? We trade him and he does what I believe he is capable of doing, dum dum skins AGAIN!!

Posted by: raymondhaynesworth | February 25, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Please folks, Its not the disliking JC that makes you sound foolish its the trying to use Todd Collins to justify getting rid of him that makes you sound like idiots. OK he went 5-1 before losing in the playoffs. Thats like me using the skins 08 6-2 start to say JC is better. There is not enought information available to determine if Collins is better. JC has more loses because he starts for a bad team. TC has not shown me anything that totally convinces me that the skins would have been any different with him in the game. And like I keep saying, he hasnt beat out a QB in 15 seasons. And I can think of several skins QB's that were significantly better. Jay Schroeder, Stan Humphreys, Trent Green, Even Babe Laufenberg, if any of these guys were playing behind campbell I would give some of you credit for saying we have a better alternative or one that is no worse as reason for getting rid of JC. But how about this, Draft a QB, maybe not with the 4th pick but get one in free agency but keep JC and seeing we have a new coach let them compete. If JC is that much worse than the other guys he will be on the bench. Why do we need to get rid of him to prove the other choices are better? The proof will be if Collins or whoever we have beats him out for the starting spot.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

And if you want to get rid of JC, what other QB that is available can you really say will do any better? It's hard for anybody to throw off their back. Let the man play!! We could not possibly look or do much worse then we did last year and the QB ain't the only fix needed!!

Posted by: raymondhaynesworth | February 25, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jimmy Clausen is not the next Montana, Sam Bradford is not the next Troy Aikman and Todd Collins is no Steve Deberg. JC however is currently Trent Dilfer with no guys name Lewis or Sharpe around him and could easily turn out to be Jim Plunkett before his career is over. Remember Plunkett? A guy who was drafted high by a bad team and was sent packing after a few seasons for underachieving then wound up on a good team and won two superbowls. What would make fans feel worse? If we kept JC and he ends his contract year by having a bad season and we dont resign him or if we get rid of him now without a good replacement, then have to wait for the next young QB to mature without drafting linemen and JC goes on to another team and has success? Lets be honest, I can name two teams right now that just lost their good QB's that JC could beat out their current choices for the starting position. Minnesota and Arizona. But I bet you Collins, Clausen nor Bradford could beat out Leinart, Jackson or Rosenfelds in a QB competition right now.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 25, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"...out rumors about a potential Redskins trade that supposedly would send Jason Campbell, a restricted free agent, to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick."

Pull that trigga.

Why is this even a rumor?

Pull that trigga.

What's to lose?

Pull that trigga.

So we have to replace Campbell with Sam Bradford, big deal.

Pull that trigga.

Whitner immediately solidifies some of the issues in the secondary.

Pull that trigga.

With two second rounders, we can snag a tackle and guard and keep stepping. Or: trade one of the second rounders and a player (Landry) for a 3rd and 6th.

Pull that trigga---now!!!!

And don't let the double move fool you this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If you keep JC and draft a OL..u have the same results...7-9.. if you trade JC, get DW and pick, plus draft one of these QB ( clausen or bradford) and use the reminder picks on OL ...results 7-9....So, please, please, make this happen ALLEN and pick up LT..

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 25, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

How short memories are... we NEED an O-LINE PRONTO. JC can manage for a season behind a DECENT line!

Posted by: job22 | February 25, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

While you are debate this, someone better hold down Danny to keep him from signing LT for twice what anyone else will offer.

Posted by: ajlerner1 | February 25, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Trading JC makes no sense when there is no franchise-type QB in the draft."


An unlocked meaning in your statement is that somehow Jason Campbell is a franchise quarterback.

Quess what?: he's not.

And how do we really know if a guy is a franchise quarterback in the draft anyways?

Who thought that about T Aikman, T Brady or D McNabb when they were coming out?

Folks believed D Carr, T Marinovich, J Harrington, and T Couch were franchise quarterbacks, and that proved to be a bad idea.

You can't wait around for some guaranteed great player and use that excuse not to take one. That's silly.

Let's take a kid with a lot of college game experience, accuracy, and size and put him in the best situation and wait to see what happens.

We've seen enough of Jason Campbell to know his play is like the weather: great one day and mixed the next.

Trade him and get some picks.

And let's stop waiting on a hero when we can groom our own.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

out rumors about a potential Redskins trade that supposedly would send Jason Campbell, a restricted free agent, to the Buffalo Bills for safety Donte Whitner and a draft pick."

Pull that trigga.

Why is this even a rumor?

Pull that trigga.

What's to lose?

Pull that trigga.

So we have to replace Campbell with Sam Bradford, big deal.

Pull that trigga.

Whitner immediately solidifies some of the issues in the secondary.

Pull that trigga.

With two second rounders, we can snag a tackle and guard and keep stepping. Or: trade one of the second rounders and a player (Landry) for a 3rd and 6th.

Pull that trigga---now!!!!

And don't let the double move fool you this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

amen!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 25, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I'll say once more Shanahan likes " Gun slinglers" and JC not a gun slingler..so, why is this trade talk a rumor SKINS..make this happen!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | February 25, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Please folks, Its not the disliking JC that makes you sound foolish its the trying to use Todd Collins to justify getting rid of him that makes you sound like idiots. OK he went 5-1 before losing in the playoffs. Thats like me using the skins 08 6-2 start to say JC is better. There is not enought information available to determine if Collins is better.
Posted by: ged0386
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First off I compared Collins to Campbell because they ae the 2 Redskin QB's. I put Campbell certainly in the bottom half and maybe bottom 3rd of starting QB's in this league but since those QB's aren't on the Redskins I didn't see the point to say which one of them should be starting here. And I went back to 2007 because that was the last time BOTH of them got to play for extended periods of time with the same team, coaches and playbook. You have a better way to compare players?? And in 2007 Campbell lost his last 4 games before Collins won the next 4. Now people are saying that's only because Collins new Saunders system better. Well if it was so clear why Collins was going to be better than why was he starting??? Why have him on the bench for the first 12 games if the coaches knew he would play better??? Thing is until someone gets to play you can't always tell. Rich Gannon sat on the bench for years before he finally go a shot in Oakland. But when he did he went to 3 Pro Bowls and took the Raiders to the Super Bowl. So don't say being a backup proves anything. Thing is Collins was behind Trent Green who had a solid career in KC and never got hurt. But Saunders was impressed enough when he went to the Redskin he took Collins with him. Now your throwing how a lot of opinions but your no expert either. What makes to think you know more than anyone else here.. I think Campbell stinks.. I hope he gets traded to Buffalo. If he is then I guess all I can say is Shanahan, who knows football, agrees with me and NOT YOU!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | February 25, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with the trade talk. The Redskins do not need to rebuild; I like the team as is plus an enhanced offensive line. In the year Russ Grimm finally made it to the Hall of Fame, draft the two best available offensive linemen, then bring the whole team back and go to it.

Posted by: Courtney44 | February 25, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade Campbell to the Bills for Whitner and a draft pick. But why a 3rd rounder and not a first? Think if they threw in Gilbert Arenas the Skins could get a 1st rounder also? Just curious....

Posted by: BenThere | February 25, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

This trade would be awesome as long as it's a 3rd rounder or better. Whitner is a much better cover guy and having him would move Landry to his effective spot. The Caps would add a needed draft pick and get rid of a player that causes too many questions and is clearly not a part of the future. Shanahan is not going to be around forever so he needs to start building a QB now for his son to take over when he is head coach.

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 25, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Haha sorry talking so much trade deadline for the Caps. I meant the Redskins of course.

Posted by: Mike4169 | February 25, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with Jason? Nothing an offensive line and time to learn the offense won't cure. His stats have improved every year including this one. Get off his back and get him a solid offensive line in particular a left tackle.

Posted by: canyonjunkie | February 25, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell is lucky, the Redskins will trade him....and begin destroying yet another talented young quarterback as they go through yet another losing season.

Posted by: JCM-51 | February 25, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

how can all of you draft a quarterback people be so stupid.you all sound like vinny and danny.answer one question,who in the hel- is going to block for this glamour boy qb?huh?who?most good qb's come from later round antway,so why waste a pick on a crapshoot!like a qb.anyway neigther of these qb's will amount to jack!just wait and see.one will be laughed atb in the huddle,the other will stay hurt'and both will have head problems if either has to play behind this current line.2 patrick ramses waiting to happen!

Posted by: billydee123 | March 4, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

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