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For Betts, what happens after contact is key

Ladell Betts is a "low-maintainence" back. He practices hard, eagerly approaches whatever running play is called and always runs hard.

"We didn't change the run game necessarily to accommodate Ladell [Betts]. We ran our stuff," Coach Jim Zorn said. "And what he did was push up into the hole, and ran through and fought for yardage."

And he gained yards after being hit, which is key for a successful rushing attack, Zorn said. "Some of the 114-yard game he had -- I don't know how many yards were after contact -- but he had some after-contact yards," Zorn said. "That's a huge issue for him, and he worked it and so did Rock [Cartwright]. They worked extra to get that extra yardage, and that kept those chains moving for us."

With the Redskins (3-6) facing the NFC East-leading Dallas Cowboys (6-3), they must continue to keep the running game going, Betts said.

"It will feel good this week," he said. "We have the Dallas Cowboys, one of our big rivals. A lot of fans out there want to see us get this one, so it will be good to go out there and get another opportunity."

The Rogers question

The Redskins Tailgate Zone discusses what the team should do about Carlos Rogers.

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FIRST to say F Dallas

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | November 19, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I second that!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas and the pony they rode in on.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 19, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 19, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Chris Paul on the Dallas matchup. lol.

...Huggy calls Dallas fans Bamas. lol.

..long live the tri-tone.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Count me on the list of people who look at teams that say I will take the momentum of optimism off a win over the momentum of anger from a loss.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 19, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Alex, that hurt my head.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"We didn't change the run game necessarily to accommodate Ladell. We ran our stuff....And what he did was push up into the hole, and ran through and fought for yardage."

And this is why he should be the starting back, even if and when Portis' head clears.

Betts can "make yards" whereas Portis needs creases ceated for him to work through: that's how his signature play the 'stretch' works.

Thing is, Dallas will pressure the skins' receivers and play a safety down in the box to thwart the running game.

A patient and steady diet of Betts/Cartwright and play action passing should bore us all in the 1st half.

The cowboys will play like they want and dare Jason Campbell to beat him with his arm and legs: the question is, can he?

Campbell, Davis, and whomever is playing in the slot or flanker must be ready to make plays.

If the skins get any kind of passing in the center of the field, the safety has to play back, and the running game will have success.

In in the fourth quarter of such a brutal game, the 'boys' defense will wilt.

And we will find a way to win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

F Dallas.
Beat Dallas.
Dallas Sucks.
Cowgirls.
I hate Dallas.

Posted by: Club320 | November 19, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

I like the way you think, you smooth talkin' man.

Posted by: League-Source | November 19, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

moe doesn't get enought credit for his humor, nor his early morning posts...I agree, especially regarding Davis...I think he'll get 7-10 balls thrown his way..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 19, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

FBDCI?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Bills' head start could force Snyder's hand
Posted by Mike Florio on November 19, 2009 8:01 AM ET
We'd be shocked, perplexed, and/or flummoxed if former Broncos and Raiders coach Mike Shanahan were to become the next head coach of the Buffalo Bills.

At a time when "Holmgren" and "Gruden" are getting all the press, the guy who won one more Super Bowl than each of them needed to get his name in circulation.

If the Bills truly have launched the process of searching for a new head coach even before interim head coach Perry Fewell works his first game, the fact that Buffalo is beating the bushes could make others who plan a coaching change to get antsy.

At the top of that list is Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. Despite Sunday's unlikely win over the Broncos, Snyder and the 'Skins surely are still plotting a change. Of course, Jim Zorn can't be fired as a practical matter while his hand is hot. But if the Redskins lose to the Cowboys in ugly fashion and then fall to Philly, Snyder could be inclined to jump into the fray before Buffalo has a chance to get its hooks too deep into one of the prime candidates.

A scan of the standings doesn't immediately reveal any other teams that could be inclined to accelerate the process of replacing a head coach given that the Bills have gotten a head start on the process, primarily since the Browns seem to be committed to giving coach Eric Mangini a full season and the Raiders won't be hiring a new coach who has other NFL options, anyway.

That said, keep an eye on the Bears. If they lose to the Eagles and the Vikings, falling to 4-7 and as a practical matter out of playoff contention, the fact that Shanahan is getting some play elsewhere could prompt Bears G.M. Jerry Angelo to recommend firing Lovie Smith before the end of the season.

As to Shanahan and the Bills, we'd be shocked if anything really happens. Shanahan is believed to be owed $7 million from Denver in 2010. If that's the case, he'd need more than $7 million next year in order to avoid working for free.

The Bills aren't likely to pay that kind of money for a head coach, unless they justify it by giving Shanahan the powers of a G.M., too. Even then, the payment of big money to Shanahan would at a minimum contradict the notion that the Bills are having financial challenges.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 19, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly why portis should sit until he is fully healthy. Its not about luck or talent, its about desire, passion, and intensity.

Posted by: Veretax | November 19, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Morning everyone,

Please no with the Shanahan talk. Guy's clearly only listening to Buffalo to drive his price up.

I don't want anyone who wants to coach and have final say over personnel. Doesn't work -- unless you're Bill Belichick...

Posted by: mattylight | November 19, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly why portis should sit until he is fully healthy. Its not about luck or talent, its about desire, passion, and intensity.

Posted by: Veretax | November 19, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

THATS WHAT SHE SAID

Posted by: alex35332 | November 19, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

There is NO evidence that bringing in a former champion coarch will get you to the big game. Let's get someone who'll build this team.

btw THIS is AWESMOE!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins can't run against the Pokes, we are done. They will stack the box, giving JC 1 on 1's on the outside. Moss usually has a field day in Big D. But if JC can't hit the long one....We have got to tackle Miles Austin. He could futher expose the softness of our secondary.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 19, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Hell I could do that for $50,000 a year if you are handing out the cash. Its just beyond a joke.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 18, 2009 5:29 PM

Isnt that what you do at the gym/ dojo?

BTW...look into Denver, Seattle, Buffalo, Cleveland and other losing towns this year, they are all having problems as bad or worse than ours. I would hate to be a Cleveland fan.

F the Cowboys.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts are that Betts/ Cartwright/ Thomas and JC will have a big game, b/c Levi will own D. Ware!

F dem Cowgirls!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 19, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

We need BIG hits on RWilliams, Crayton & Austin EARLY. Rattle them silly. That should disrupt the Romo timing.

I expect us to get to Romo in this game. But we can't really afford more than two big plays from them. If they get on a roll it's going to be a long day.

I can't see us scoring too much, but if the D is durdy, we might just take this.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse


Bills v. Redskins

from Mike Florio,
"We'd be shocked, perplexed, and/or flummoxed if former Broncos and Raiders coach Mike Shanahan were to become the next head coach of the Buffalo Bills."


The Buffalo Bills can have Mike Shanahan.

History has shown that without Elway, Shanahan is a sham.

Shanahan might not even go to buffalo.

What established coach would?

They have to draft and develope a quarterback in a small market in a division where the likes of Tom Brady show up twice a year.

AFC East v. NFC East?: I'm taking jints, iggles, cowboys, and skins everyday over brady/belichek, landshark stadium, j-e-t-s, and anonymity.

In Washington, Shanahan would inherit a quarterback who knows the system, a sound running game, an improving receiving core, and a defense that's top notch when it wants to be.

A draft and two free agents fix the redskins' offensive line.

Question?: What fixes a cold stadium, T. O., a dull border town, and an owner who won't spend money?

Answer: A big stadium, a great defense, and an owner who spends cash like a sailor in a strip club.

Dan Snyder is that sailor.

And he won't be disappointed if he's not paying for a sham.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I think the pukes are gonna try and get the run game going, given how teams have run on the Redskins recently, as well as get RWilliams involved. They've gotta send guys after Romo, early, and often, the more hits, the more his feet get happy, the more likely he'll be throwing off his back foot by the 4th quarter...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 19, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

For the Cowboys game, I think the Redskins should occasionally flip their defensive line. This would put Carter against their backup right tackle, Haynesworth on his right elbow occupying blockers in the middle, and Orakpo as the outside linebacker who could blitz off the edge. I think they are exposed here and occasional flips like this might give Romo one more headache. I think the secondary needs to go to spend some time in a two-deep zone to keep Austin in check, and especially in light of the deep stuff they gave up last week.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 19, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Head - give 'em more looks than they can handle.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 19, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Moe

I agree on Bills and Shanahan, I dont see someone with that big of an ego going to a small market.

Greg, I think if AH plays we will dominate their OL and pressure Romo into mistakes. It seems as if Austin is a good WR, but not when the focus and pressure is on him, I think R. Williams will have a big game in the first half, much like B. Marshall and then we will fix the mistakes. The win, like always will have to revolve around the OL.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

History has shown that without Elway, Shanahan is a sham.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 9:26 AM

BS, Moe. History hasn't shown anything of the kind. Something's wrong with your history book.

Elway retired in 1999. Since then Shanahan took the Broncos to the playoffs four times, including hosting the AFC Championship game one year.

Shanahan, the coach, is the real deal. Shanahan the personnel manager, not so much.

Posted by: League-Source | November 19, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

It has nothing to do with Buffalo Being a small market. Ralph Wilson has NEVER, and will NEVER (unless he's really lost his faith in his system that produced so man play off appearances) have a system that doesn't separate the GM and Coach duties. Anything else is just plain lunacy.

Posted by: Veretax | November 19, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I think AH plays, and against this OL thats gonna be huge, Gurode, and Davis are both bigger cats, so he's gonna be key to defending the run.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

In Washington, Shanahan would inherit a quarterback who knows the system, a sound running game, an improving receiving core, and a defense that's top notch when it wants to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 9:26 AM

What QB is that? JC won't be here and even if he is he doesn't know Shanny's system at all.

This team needs to bail on this whole West Coast offense crap and just do what it's built to do: play smashmouth football. Anything else is pretending.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 19, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

This team needs to bail on this whole West Coast offense crap and just do what it's built to do: play smashmouth football. Anything else is pretending.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 19, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I love smashmouth football.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 19, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

BS, Moe. History hasn't shown anything of the kind. Something's wrong with your history book.

Elway retired in 1999. Since then Shanahan took the Broncos to the playoffs four times, including hosting the AFC Championship game one year.

----------------------

His offensive ranks since Elway retired?

2, 22, 3, 7, 5, 5, 21, 11, 2

Number of losing seasons since Elway retired? 1 out of 10

Shanahan is about as far from a sham as there is in this league. In fact, he gets my vote for #2 on the coaching list since Jimmy Johnson's hey day (surpassed only by Belichick).

It just so happens that he had to compete against 2 of the 3 greatest QBs to ever play the game with Brian Griese and Jake Plummer for the majority of this decade.

Posted by: psps23 | November 19, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I like a smash mouth run game with a spread out passing game. But no one can run that in the NFL I don't think.... Except New England.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 19, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

love smashmouth football

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 19, 2009 9:56 AM

Damn Right! Hail Skins!

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 19, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

League-Source/psps23

The 'Shanahan is a sham' line was intended to help create a pun, not cast a bad light on Mike Shanahan's fine career as a head coach.

I like Jim Zorn and hope he's in DC next Fall is all.

Sorry about the confusion and rudeness on my part: I was just trying to be clever and came off stupid.

It's not the first time.

Peace.

I have work to do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

What QB is that? JC won't be here and even if he is he doesn't know Shanny's system at all.

Posted by: brownwood26
++++++++++++++++++++++

I know the front office doesn't like JC, but don't you think that decision will be up to the next HC? In a good organization, the new HC would decide if he wanted to keep Campbell.

Posted by: REXskins | November 19, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I have work to do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 10:05 AM

Are peeps allowed to use "work" as an excuse for not posting up here these days? Blog's headed in the wrong direction.

Posted by: League-Source | November 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The point about Shanahan isn't what kind of a coach he is; his offenses have always been great, and his teams normally successful. But the guy has no idea how to put a defense together (personnel wise), and his pathetic D's in Denver (along with his defensive coaches) were the team's achilles heel over the past few years.

So if he wants final say over the roster, I'm all for saying no thanks and moving on.

Posted by: mattylight | November 19, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs award you four wooly-bullies for the effort, Moe.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 19, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Bills and Bill Cowher may be in play as well. They also made what I think is a solid move in signing the 3rd QB drafted overall in the 2008 draft behind Ryan and Flacco off the Packers practice squad for just a few bucks. He might not have a cannon for an arm but if he's got the smarts he can make the most of what he got. They also signed a decent OL prospect earlier this season. It's nice to see a team that has struggled for so long at least attempt to make moves during the season to improve their future.

New York: Brian Brohm has joined the Buffalo Bills active roster leaving Packers’ practice squad behind. The Packers attempted to retain Brohm but he preferred Buffalo Bills only, reported the Journal-Sentinel in Milwaukee.

Brohm is the second recent Packers’ draft pick to be plucked from the Packers’ practice squad by the Bills. Jamon Meredith, fifth-round pick this year, was signed by the Bills in September and started three games at right tackle.

In Buffalo, however, he presents at least some possibility of a chance to earn full-time job

McCarthy said, “We feel we have a quarterback in Brian’s situation, I think Brian is really improving.”

Brohm was the third quarterback taken in the 2008 draft. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were picked in the first round. Brohm was taken 56th overall. Miami took Chad Henne with the next pick, at 57. He's 6-foot-3 and 228 pounds. He's a pocket passer who's not considered to have elite arm strength. His strengths coming out of college were considered to be accuracy and outstanding decision making. He got great experience in college. He played in 44 games and had 33 starts. He went 24-9 as a starter. He passed for 71 touchdowns and 24 interceptions.

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 19, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking for advice: my company has a second office in Dallas, and I spend a good deal of time chatting on-line with my co-workers up there.

Should I sign off each communication with:

F DALLAS?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

interesting we get one win over a team without their starting QB (who by the way was torching us) and all of a sudden the skins are reborn

Oh and Portis is done

Posted by: BenchCampbell | November 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Should I sign off each communication with:

F DALLAS?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Of course

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 19, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It is kind of no-brainer.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 19, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

In a good organization, the new HC would decide if he wanted to keep Campbell.

Posted by: REXskins | November 19, 2009 10:10 AM


In a good organization, the head coach is hired BEFORE the offensive and defensive coordinators.

So you're right, the new HC should decide if he wants to keep Campbell.

This, my friend, is not a good organization.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 19, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The Buffalo Bills can have Mike Shanahan.

History has shown that without Elway, Shanahan is a sham.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 9:26 AM

No truer words were ever spoken. This is the guy that knowingly undermined Dan Reeves as OC in Denver. This is the guy that, knowing he needed to fix his defensive line, went out and accquired the entire bust-filled d-line from the Browns (to predictable results), and this is the guy that was smarter than EVERYONE else in the league and spent a 3rd on Maurice Clarett. He won two Super Bowls...I won't take that away from him. It's just that...it only took one of the top 3 QB's in NFL history to do it. Whoever gets Shanahan should expect the Raider and 2000-2008 version...and not focus too heavily on the 97-99 guy. (unless they have a ready-made Elway, Davis, and fantastic o-line)

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 19, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

interesting we get one win over a team without their starting QB (who by the way was torching us) and all of a sudden the skins are reborn

Oh and Portis is done

Posted by: BenchCampbell | November 19, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

He tossed up 2 ducks on blown coverages. I'd hardly say Orton was torching us.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 19, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 19, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Thursday and still no post about Dallas....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 19, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"...interesting we get one win over a team without their starting QB (who by the way was torching us) and all of a sudden the skins are reborn..."


True.

I wondered why, with the game being close (14-7), the broncos didn't resort to a pounding running game and try to win by kicking field goals.

There was enough time for them to do it.

The cowboys won't make this mistake.

We'll see Barber/Choice in bunches out on the edges in misdirection based plays as it seems the skins safeties and 'backers bite too quickly and can be fooled.

You can't get yards up the middle on the skins, but you can make yards running out on the edges.

And if they get that going, then they'll get Witten releasing off whatever action the running plays are based on.

Rocky McIntosh's play is very important this week: he and whatever safety plays on Witten must have solid games.

Cover Crayton and Austin tight and make Dallas throw to Roy Williams: their offense will fall apart.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Dik, that was awesome!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 19, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan has won ONE count 'em ONE playoff game since Elway left. Let's set the bar a little higher than that.

You can have him.

Posted by: edvar | November 19, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

...and of course:

F DALLAS!

Posted by: edvar | November 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

We'll see Barber/Choice in bunches out on the edges in misdirection based plays as it seems the skins safeties and 'backers bite too quickly and can be fooled.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 10:30 AM


The Skins defense is better than the Packers D and the Pack almost shut them out. They've had about 3 years to figure out they're a running team that passes too much but they haven't. No reason to believe they'll figure it out now.

Truthfully, I think this game is the best chance for the Skins to win. Those clowns in little D think they're unstoppable in that stupid shrine to Jerry Jones they call a stadium and I think the Skins could go in there and steal one.

But of course, now they won't because I just said that aloud.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Cover Crayton and Austin tight and make Dallas throw to Roy Williams: their offense will fall apart.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 19, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Also hope that Garrett chooses to abandon the run for no reason like he did against GB.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

tweet tweet

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 19, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

F Wade Phillips
F Jason Garrett
F John Garrett
F Todd Grantham
F Reggie Herring
F Hudson Houck
F Joe Juraszek
F Brett Maxie
F Dat Nguyen
F Skip Peete
F Wes Phillips
F Ray Sherman
F Brian Stewart
F Wade Wilson
F Nick Folk
F Kyle Kosier
F Ken Hamlin
F Felix Jones
F Jay Ratliff
F Robert Brewster
F Orlando Scandrick
F Marc Colombo
F L.P. LaDouceur
F Jon Kitna
F Curtis Johnson
F Mike Hamlin
F Andre Gurode
F Deon Anderson
Double F Tony Romo witha sideways cactus
F Montrae Holland
F Pat Watkins
F Keith Brooking
F Tashard Choice
F Jason Hatcher
F Mat McBriar
F Stephen Bowen
F Alan Ball
F Duke Preston
F Terence Newman
F Bradie James
F Marcus Spear
F Flozell Adams
F Marion Barber
F Miles Austin
F Cory Procter
F Steve Octavien
F Gerald Sensabaugh
F Doug Free
F Sam Hurd
F Pat Crayton
F Allen Rossum
F Bobby Carpenter
F Igor Olshansky
F Junior Siavii
F Victor Butler
F Anthony Spencer
F Mike Jenkins
F Jason Witten
F Leonard Davis
F Roy Williams
F Martellus Bennett
F Stephen McGee
F Stephen Hodge
F Brandon Williams
F DeMarcus Ware
F David Buehler
F Kevin Ogletree
F John Phillips
F Pat McQuistan
F Jason Williams

Posted by: alex35332 | November 19, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan will want both the coaching and personnel power he had in Denver plus $7M+ per year to coach anywhere. Even if he was given that power with the Redskins, he's never proven to be a good personnel evaluator. As for coaching, 4 playoff teams in 9 years is nothing great post-Elway. The Broncos underachieved for the last 3 years he was coach before Bowlen finally was ready for a change.

If Danny is finally willing to give up his power and get rid of Vinny, Shanahan could end up here. But those are two big ifs. Not to many coaches would want to inherit the Redskins roster knowing that the guy who picked it was still around. It would have to be another obscure assistant like Zorn.

Posted by: wizfan89 | November 19, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

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