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Jason Campbell intends to sign tender as his agent continues to seek trade partner

With so much going on lately, I've been a little behind on checking my email. In trying to get caught up early Friday morning, I answered several questions about quarterback Jason Campbell's tender offer.

As of late Thursday night, Campbell had not yet signed the first-round tender he received from the Redskins, two people familiar with the situation said. He does plan to sign the one-year, $3.14-million contract, the sources said, and is expected to do so no later than Monday.

Campbell actually has until next Thursday (April 15) to sign the tender, which is the last day unrestricted free agents can sign offer sheets with other clubs. Coach Mike Shanahan granted permission for Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, to continue to seek trades that would benefit Campbell and the Redskins after the deadline to sign tenders, indicating he would be willing to move Campbell if Segal could find a better situation for him. And if, of course, the Redskins could get what they want in exchange for him.

If Campbell remains on the roster beginning training camp, he would compete with the recently signed Rex Grossman to be the primary backup behind new starter Donovan McNabb. Under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement, Campbell's salary would be guaranteed if he is on the opening 53-man roster.

The Redskins would not owe Campbell anything if they cut him before the season. If he were released during the season, Campbell would be eligible to collect termination pay from the team.

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By Jason Reid  |  April 9, 2010; 5:58 AM ET
Categories:  Jason Campbell , Jason Reid  | Tags: Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell, Mike Shanahan, Rex Grossman, Washington Redskins  
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my first time being first

Posted by: knibley | April 9, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why you put so much time into it. That was about as productive as some of those dumb-ass arguments you used to have up here with talent_evaluator. Glad that guy got run off.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

I'll second that. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Now it's a poker game. Do other teams think we will cut him? Do they think there will be any competition to sign him if that happens? Or do they just bit the bullet and trade us a round 3 pick?
We kind of blew our chances of getting anything for him by signing 2 other QBs, so I think other teams will wait for us to release him. Warming up on having McNabb, and wish JC well.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Now it's a poker game. Do other teams think we will cut him? Do they think there will be any competition to sign him if that happens? Or do they just bit the bullet and trade us a round 3 pick?

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM


I think we lost some leverage by trading for McNabb because everyone will know that JC doesn't wanna be here. But I think that he still have a good shot at trading him because it's not out of the question that he stays on as a backup. So it's possible someone calls our bluff but I think at least one team with a huge hole at QB will take a chance on him. I just wouldn't count on getting anything more than a 3rd rounder in return.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

McNabb talking about Oakland
“I would have been at the workouts and working out with the team, throwing and trying to get the timing down with the corps of receivers and running backs they have and communicated with the offensive line to get ready for minicamp,” McNabb said

Now that he’s with the Skins he will be throwing allot of off speed stuff talking to himself.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 9, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26

After watching Moore in his short time at Carolina and JC for his time in DC let me say that JC will most certainly be a back up in Carolina.

Posted by: joeboggs | April 9, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Joe, no doubt Moore has a leg-up in that competition since he's already put in a couple years playing in that system...I just think JC has some real value to a team that predicates its offense on running the ball and using play action. I still think JC could be a solid starter if you put him in a great situation (i.e.- a run first attack with a great QB coach, like a Norv Turner system).

But let's not get into this...the only thing more tired than the AH debate is the JC debate...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I think we lost some leverage by trading for McNabb because everyone will know that JC doesn't wanna be here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:37 AM

I think the only leverage we would have is if two (or more) teams want him. Then they have to bid against each other. If there's only one other team that wants him, then it's a stare-down, regardless of whether we want him or not. And, if no team wants him, he'll get cut before we pay him $3.1 million to be a backup.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I can see Buffalo coming to their senses and trading for JC (rather than getting Jimmy Clausen), but I don't understand the logic behind acquiring Marshawn Lynch, as I had seen in other posts. Although he has less mileage than the other RB's on the roster (partial thanks to his suspensions), isn't he one stupid decision away from getting bumped for 1 year?

The 'Skins need more draft picks. If they acquire anyone in a trade it should be a solid FS.

Posted by: temunley | April 9, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

well . . . the same goes for Grossman. If we cut him before the final roster we also owe him nothing. So, there we probably won't have both of them to back-up McNabb. However, the team might eventually decide to keep Campbell and release Grossman . . . which no one here has realized. The signing of McNabb has changed everything. Perhaps Shanny feels keeping Campbell might now be better than Grossman (depending on how camp goes) if no team offers us a good tender. Makes you wonder, right?

Posted by: sjw1 | April 9, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

well . . . the same goes for Grossman. If we cut him before the final roster we also owe him nothing. So, there we probably won't have both of them to back-up McNabb. However, the team might eventually decide to keep Campbell and release Grossman . . . which no one here has realized. The signing of McNabb has changed everything. Perhaps Shanny feels keeping Campbell might now be better than Grossman (depending on how camp goes) if no team offers us a good tender. Makes you wonder, right?

Posted by: sjw1 | April 9, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

LS, $3.1 million isn't that bad for a backup QB, especially one with starting experience. Plus the uncapped year renders that a bit moot anyway. But I see your point on the leverage...if the reports are true, there's at least 5 teams interested and I could name a couple more that would be upgrading their QB position by adding JC. Personally, I think he won't get moved until draft day or shortly thereafter...teams that wanted a QB in the draft and don't come away with the one they want will be looking for Plan B and JC represents a pretty good one.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

"If Campbell remains on the roster beginning training camp, he would compete with the recently signed Rex Grossman to be the primary backup behind new starter Donovan McNabb."


Now that's an interesting battle to look forward to:

Rex v. Jason

Sexy v. Fumblitis

The Interceptor v. SpongeBob Campbell

Used-to-be-gator v. Used-to-be-tiger.

And now, both former dominant SEC quarterback heroes are as toothless as grandma on her last birthday.

You know like I do Rex has a leg up on that camp battle, so perhaps Campbell will move on and endure his final redskin humiliation.

Some team will sneeringly offer a 5th rounder for a former league starter, and Jason Campbell will don a new uniform, wear a sideline ball cap, carry a clipboard, and become a scout team quarterback.

And becoming a scout team quarterback is something he shouldn't complain about.

After all, if he does become the main practice quarterback, he'll at least get the chance to start every week.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the logic behind acquiring Marshawn Lynch, as I had seen in other posts. Although he has less mileage than the other RB's on the roster (partial thanks to his suspensions), isn't he one stupid decision away from getting bumped for 1 year?

Posted by: temunley | April 9, 2010 7:16 AM


I'm not sure where you saw that rumor, but I hope there's no truth to it...Lynch is a turd, and in an unrelated note, has to be the absolute ugliest player in the NFL. I have a young kid so I don't need her having nightmares just because she saw Lynch during the Redskins game...

sjw1, there's no chance Grossman goes over JC. He already knows the system, plus he's Kyle Shanahan's handpicked backup. The only way he goes is if someone else feels he's worth trading for and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

Moe, I don't get why you're so down on JC all of a sudden...I mean, the guy is as good as gone now. I don't see why you're so adamant that the guy is a 3rd string QB when I've heard league insiders and other analysts say that JC still has value as a starter in the right system. Dude is no worse than a primary backup, and he'd be a damn good one if it came to that. I'd be absolutely stunned if he falls off the map like Patrick Ramsey did.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is injury prone so we need a quality back-up. However you feel about Campbell, he's a lot better than Grossman. Keep Campbell as our back-up. And whatever happened to that loser talent-evaluator?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 9, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that several teams may be willing to sign him, but not as a starter. Jason's insistance that he should start will be his undoing.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 9, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Vic, JC is gonna have to earn any starting job he gets. Nobody's gonna add him and just hand him the gig...anyone who picks him up will have him compete with another vet (or 1st round rookie).

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Why offer a man that's already been replaced. Just wait and see if the REDSKINS cut him, then snap him up for free. What a deal.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 9, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

They will probley JC and cut Colt,that way he can compete with Grossman as backup. Some team will get there QB wacked in pre-session, and want a solid backup.Then we could trade him for a player or pick in 2011. Might get our 3rd pick back.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Why offer a man that's already been replaced? Just wait until the REDSKINS cut him, then snap him up for free.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 9, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

They will probley keep JC and cut Colt,that way he can compete with Grossman for the backup spot.Some team will need a qb after preseason,then we could trade JC for a player or pick.
Sorry for the repost,still asleep.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the repost,still asleep.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 7:55 AM


Apparently...since you even mispelled your handle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"...suspect that several teams may be willing to sign him, but not as a starter. Jason's insistance that he should start will be his undoing."

"They will probably keep JC and cut Colt,that way he can compete with Grossman for the backup spot.Some team will need a qb after preseason,then we could trade JC for a player or pick."


I gotta a theory:

They keep Rex and draft Tebow.

McNabb, Rex, and Tebow are the new skins q-backs.

Book it!!!

(Legal Disclaimer: the expression "Book It!" is used with the implied permission of it orginator, 4thFloor.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the repost,still asleep.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 7:55 AM


Apparently...since you even mispelled your handle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I expect JC17 could be a good backup for any number of teams, including the Redskins.

He is somewhat competent, relatively quiet, respected by many of his teammates, and modestly priced. (Despite having played five years in the league and starting for three, he would probably be willing to sign for a modest $3-4 million a year -– his current rate -- a fairly competitive figure for backup quarterbacks.)

So the question becomes, is JC17 willing to take $3-4 million to wear a baseball cap and carry a clip board?

Posted by: Vic1 | April 9, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Come draft day,the skins will pull off some unreal trades.They have been slow in free agent signings, so they can make there big splash in the draft.Look for Carter and AH to be traded for players and picks. Allso Rogers and Kelly for draft picks. We will give Denver Portis and a 2011 pick for Marshall,maybe are 2nd and 5th.Could allso trade Landry to the Ravens for there backup LT,so he can pair with his brother.Look for Oakland and the Lions to be big trade partners with the Skins,and allso Tampa.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree with gregblanch, but not sure if all those moves will go down. But I think we will be acquiring more picks this draft by trading some of our existing players. Not sure who, but Cooley, Landry, Carter, Potis, and Big Al are all candidates.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 9, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about the mispelled USER ID. I was very drunk and pissed off when I signed on for the first time. And I did not know there was a spelling bee champion on here, I thought you guys only watched PBS.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Come draft day,the skins will pull off some unreal trades.They have been slow in free agent signings, so they can make there big splash in the draft.Look for Carter and AH to be traded for players and picks. Allso Rogers and Kelly for draft picks. We will give Denver Portis and a 2011 pick for Marshall,maybe are 2nd and 5th.Could allso trade Landry to the Ravens for there backup LT,so he can pair with his brother.Look for Oakland and the Lions to be big trade partners with the Skins,and allso Tampa.

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:10 AM


The only thing correct about this post is that the trades are unreal...c'mon dude, you can't possibly think Denver would take Portis back, do you?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Why not take Portis back, some azz has to take Marshells place as there crybaby. Maybe he can dressup like you.....dude

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins would not owe Campbell anything if they cut him before the season. If he were released during the season, Campbell would be eligible to collect termination pay from the team."

I actually see us cutting him and taking a QB w/ #4. I don't WANT to see that.. but that's what this is all pointing to.

If they were really comfortable w/ Campbell @ #2, they wouldn't have signed Grossman.

If we hadn't have played this so poorly, I think Soup woulda gone to a team for a decent draft pick or player. But this way, the rest of the league can pick him up for (next to) nothing. A shame. HOpefully Allen won't put us in these sorts of situations going forward... but something always seems to happen when 'they' get around The Danny's checkbook...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

For those who are saying that we won't get much for Campbell because we already traded for McNabb and so we hurt JC's value. I would like to point out that the coin has a second side.

If we had worked a trade for Campbell, or had one lined up and word got out, then the Eagles would have had us over the barrel on the McNabb deal and we would likely be flipping our lids on how we now have no first round pick.

I think the choice was:
A. Trade Campbell for a 3rd pick then we get McNabb for a 1st.
B. Get Mcnabb for the 2nd, trade Campbell for a 4th or 5th.

I think I chose B every time.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Is there anything to the thought that were trying to replace a guy named Soup with a guy who sells soup?

Posted by: bostskin | April 9, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM
-----------------------------------------
Theisman has been pimping Campbell to the Raiders. Not that I think anyone listens to Theisman, but it would make sense. Their quarterback now weighs more than some offensive linemen and I think Campbell could definitely beat that guy out for a starting role. Raider-land would also be a good place for Haynesworth. I think they run a lot of 5-2 defense out there and the Redskins ran a little of that last year. Not sure how much of Shanny's playbook Campbell knows, but would rather he go to an AFC team if I had my choice. Carolina might be the best thing for Campbell, but Oakland would be the best thing for the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Dik, they signed Grossman because he was with Kyle Shanahan in Houston last year and knows the system. I don't think it was a damnation of JC as it was adding a guy who already knows the system to compete for a job.

Again...I'd be shocked if someone doesn't step up and send us at least a mid-round pick for JC. There aren't many decent starting caliber QBs with 50+ games of starting experience on the market right now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

OK, sorry about trying to pick a fight up here, trying to quit smoking.Brownwood I enjoy reading your post up here and I am not wanting to get in a pissing contest with you. Would rather save that for the cowgirls fans. Remeber were all Skins fans...HTTR

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
I am not shocked by the taking of Grossman.

A lot of the old WC style coaches are notorious QB collectors. Holmgreen, Gruden, Reid look at the QB depth on their teams over the years.

I think that is actually A BIG part of the system.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Good point RSH...I said here yesterday that I think JC fits what Al Davis looks for in a QB and he's most likely to give up more to get him. Especially if AH gets worked into the deal like you mentioned.

I'm only saying that from JC's standpoint Carolina would be good. What he needs is stability and a run-oriented offense that doesn't ask him to carry the whole unit. Either there or San Fran seem like the best fits for him but you're right...Oakland helps the Skins exponentially more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh, c'mon mang!

No one here said one word about Grossman before the signing and everyone knew he was available. It was a total surprise to everyone. McNabb was pretty off the radar for us too, though less than Rex. A couple people took shots at that one before.

I understand the reasoning behind getting Rex. But included in that is the obviation of Soup. As Lawrence said, why would any team give us a pick when they can get him for just his salary (reduced??) when we drop him.

We'll loose the waiting game every time... until we change our gestalt.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

OK, sorry about trying to pick a fight up here, trying to quit smoking.Brownwood I enjoy reading your post up here and I am not wanting to get in a pissing contest with you. Would rather save that for the cowgirls fans. Remeber were all Skins fans...HTTR

Posted by: gregblanchsucks | April 9, 2010 8:32 AM


No worries man, we're just a bunch of avid Skins fans here mixing it up. It's nothing personal on my end...the only time it got personal for me is when LS made some assinine remark that included my father just a month after he died. Other than that it's all fun and games for the most part.

Good luck with the smoking thing...my wife quit a couple years back and is just now getting to a point where she doesn't even sneak one anymore. It's definitely a process so be patient.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Thx 4 tha quitting advice, y'all.

I've stopped @ home & on my commute (mostly). Stopping at work is next.

Baby due in a month - so now's the time!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I thought Americans didn't smoke cigarettes anymore.

I know you could used to catch me puffing on a 'port a few years back.

Cigarettes are too costly now. I went to NY about two years ago and was STUNNED that a pack of cigarettes could cost as much as TEN dollars.

I then realized that was a great thing.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Dik, the teams that are interested in JC (Buffalo, Oakland, etc.) are teams that FAs usually avoid like the plague. If they can get him at a decent cost, I could see one of those teams making a move. Regardless of how low some here rank him, JC isn't a guy that's gonna be hurting for a job if he got cut. I mean, 5 teams are already in line to at least kick his tires and I guarantee there would be more interest in him as a FA. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility we get a mid-round pick for him at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

It will likely be McNabb as the starter, Campbell as the backup and Grossman as the the third stringer. Grossman can help teach the offense and Campbell can earn 3 mil to learn from McNabb and come in as needed. This actually sounds like a pretty solid line up and one that everyone should like . . . except Campbell. However, it might in the long run be the best thing for him!

Posted by: sjw1 | April 9, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

As Lawrence said, why would any team give us a pick when they can get him for just his salary (reduced??) when we drop him.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 8:43 AM

1. No guarantee that we cut him.
2. No guarantee that if we cut him they would get him.

Next question?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Whatever scenario that screws $nyder the most is the scenario I am hoping for. Campbell deserves better treatment than what he got here from Snyderatto and Snyderallahan.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 9, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

randy, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but how didn't he get a fair shake? I don't get that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

THREE YEARS AGO I SAID TO TRADE HIM!!

All of you cried like little baby girls that he was the quarterback of the future. We could have gotten some really good draft picks for him back then, and now we can't get squat.

Thanks for supporting a loser... now look what you got for it... NOTHING BUT MEDIOCRITY!

Next time, listen to Sports Guru.. and maybe you'll learn something... you baby girls!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Whatever scenario that screws $nyder the most is the scenario I am hoping for. Campbell deserves better treatment than what he got here from Snyderatto and Snyderallahan.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 9, 2010 8:58 AM

Thank you for your contribution, Lisa_R. It was the shame the way they treated him, jumping up in the draft to get him, paying him $20 million, and hiring Zorn specifically to coach him up.


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By the way, any team that is interested in JC wants him NOW, not when he's cut after training camp. They need him on campus to learn their playbook, develop timing with their receivers.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I actually see us cutting him and taking a QB w/ #4. I don't WANT to see that.. but that's what this is all pointing to.

If they were really comfortable w/ Campbell @ #2, they wouldn't have signed Grossman.

If we hadn't have played this so poorly, I think Soup woulda gone to a team for a decent draft pick or player. But this way, the rest of the league can pick him up for (next to) nothing. A shame. HOpefully Allen won't put us in these sorts of situations going forward... but something always seems to happen when 'they' get around The Danny's checkbook...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

They are not going to cut JC. He has the second most value of QB's on the trading block, after Bulger. He has great character, would make a fine backup to DMN. Grossman was hired to be a backup QB when the starter was JC. At that point, they did not know they would win the DMN sweepstakes.

JC will have some value after Bulger is signed. We should be able to get some value for him between the draft and the trading deadline in Oct. And if we don't, he will backup DMN, who has been known to have health issues from time to time.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Whatever scenario that screws $nyder the most is the scenario I am hoping for. Campbell deserves better treatment than what he got here from Snyderatto and Snyderallahan.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins

What better treatment can you get when you are picked in the first round and the starting QB for the Redskins, and now you can't live up to that because you are mediocre at best. They owe him nothing, he had his chance.

Posted by: joeboggs | April 9, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Next time, listen to Sports Guru.. and maybe you'll learn something... you baby girls!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:02 AM

You're a false_guru. If you really knew what you were talking about you would have said this five years ago when we drafted him.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If we keep him, he'll be the best back-up in the NFL. So we ain't giving him away too cheap in an uncapped year. The professionals in the front office have patience.

In Shanny I Trust.

Posted by: shanks1 | April 9, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

All this talk of JC to the Raiders makes sense but people are overlooking one thing, Shanny and Al Davis HATE each other.

I don't think either will be that excited to try to work out a "mutually beneficial" trade.

Posted by: LoJankFilDee19338333 | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh goodness.

Just when you thought it was OK to move on in life we get another JC17-related post.

It's like that Stephen King bit from "Room 1408"...the room let's you think you got out, only to cruelly tear down the facade of your perceived reality and show you that you are indeed still trapped.

Posted by: p1funk | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Whatever scenario that screws $nyder the most is the scenario I am hoping for. Campbell deserves better treatment than what he got here from Snyderatto and Snyderallahan.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 9, 2010 8:58 AM

YEah, the disrespect started when they turned themselves inside out to make him their first round draft choice. Then they further humiliated him by paying him $20 million dollars. The mistreatment reached a fever pitch when they made him their starter for 3 or 4 seasons. What do you JC lovers want the Skins to do exactly? It's even more silly to suggest that Shanahan and Allen owe him anything. Their careers and reputations are on the line. They don't want to risk it on a middle of the pack QB.

Also, the scenario that screws Dan Snyder the most is also the one that screws the Redskins the most. Remember the Redskins...that team you're suppossed to be a fan of??

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Next time, listen to Sports Guru.. and maybe you'll learn something... you baby girls!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:02 AM

You're a false_guru. If you really knew what you were talking about you would have said this five years ago when we drafted him.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:07 AM

True, but Gibbs didn't play the guy forever, because of his lust of Brunell. It wasn't until we saw him in game that I was able to make my decision, and I made it pretty fast at that point.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Oh goodness.

Just when you thought it was OK to move on in life we get another JC17-related post.

It's like that Stephen King bit from "Room 1408"...the room let's you think you got out, only to cruelly tear down the facade of your perceived reality and show you that you are indeed still trapped.

Posted by: p1funk | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM

LMAO!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Just when you thought it was OK to move on in life we get another JC17-related post.

Posted by: p1funk | April 9, 2010 9:09 AM

JC is destined to become J. Reid's Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"After a Slow Start, Woods Plays as if He Never Left"

By BILL PENNINGTON
Published: April 8, 2010


AUGUSTA, Ga. — Tiger Woods had been on the golf course Thursday for about 90 minutes. If he had experienced first-tee jitters in his comeback to competitive golf after a five-month layoff, it did not show.


I'm sorry, I know the draft is coming up, but I'm a golf fan this weekend.

If Tiger wins the Masters this weekend, it'll dominate the news like Shaq playing against midgets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think that trading Campbell to Buffalo is a good idea, but not for Lynch. I would be very happy to see us trade Campbell for Donte Whitner however.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Campbell has never had consistency.

For a NFL QB that isn't fair.

Look at the:

* Coaches Campbell had
* Offensive line
* The fact he had to learn a new offense damn near every year

I'm not a Campbell supporter or whatever, but to say he got a straight up fair chance in D.C. is a little off to me.

Campbell got a black eye while wearing his helmet last year. How the fu_k does the QB -- or ANYONE wearing a helmet get a black eye?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Golf... worst sport ever.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe this debate is being started again...truth of the matter is we have no idea how good JC really is because he consistently had lousy WRs and a crap sandwich for an O-line. Dude is not and never was a guy that was supposed to come here and win games by himself. If he had that in him, he would have gone long before 25th overall. I mean really...he was getting MVP mentions the first half of '08 for pete's sake and you guys act like he never even showed flashes that he's a good QB.

He came, he didn't get it done, now he's likely to play elsewhere. Can we get behind McNabb and move forward now????

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Randy Hawkins-- are you by any chance related to Sadie?

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

JC is destined to become J. Reid's Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Lets be fair though, Campbell was a much better QB than Torrence was a corner.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Campbell got a black eye while wearing his helmet last year. How the fu_k does the QB -- or ANYONE wearing a helmet get a black eye?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

A fist easily fits in the space above the facemask. Where's the mystery?

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 9, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Campbell got a black eye while wearing his helmet last year. How the fu_k does the QB -- or ANYONE wearing a helmet get a black eye?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM

Who's the bama now? Red, it's NFL football. Guys get black eyes. It's not like sex with your girlfriend in a pickup truck where you only get a black eye if you take your helmet off.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

JC is destined to become J. Reid's Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:12 AM

Danny's not here Mrs. Torrence

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think that trading Campbell to Buffalo is a good idea, but not for Lynch. I would be very happy to see us trade Campbell for Donte Whitner however.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM


Whitner makes no sense unless Landry gets traded. You'd then have two guys playing SS and no one at FS.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

People said the same things about Patrick Ramsey. Guess what? Ramsey couldn't get it doen anywhere else either. Campbell is nice guy but just an average quarterback. There is a reson the Broncos chose Kyle Orton over JC last year and there is a reason why no other team has stepped up so far for Campbell this year. I hope it is clear what the league thinks of JC's ability as a QB.

Posted by: sjp879 | April 9, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

If Tiger wins the Masters this weekend, it'll dominate the news like Shaq playing against midgets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm pulling for Tiger too, but what a story if Couples wins it at 50... Not to mention without wearing socks and sporting Sperry Topsiders.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Who's the bama now? Red, it's NFL football. Guys get black eyes. It's not like sex with your girlfriend in a pickup truck where you only get a black eye if you take your helmet off.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:19 AM

oh.. oh.. oh.. and the girlfriend is also the sister!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

People made the same excuses for Patrick Ramsey. Guess what? Ramsey couldn't get it done anywhere else either. Campbell is a nice guy but just an average quarterback. There is a reson the Broncos chose Kyle Orton over JC last year and there is a reason why no other team has stepped up so far for Campbell this year. I hope it is clear what the league thinks of JC's ability as a QB.

Posted by: sjp879 | April 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Golfs a sport?

I agree about Soup's value in a general sense. But I do think our behavior negates any value for almost any player we have to offer.

...hope you all are right. Just quite worried you're not.

And fingers, RedD, fingers.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Lets be fair though, Campbell was a much better QB than Torrence was a corner.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:17 AM

Maybe yes and maybe no. I'll let sports_guru be the judge of that. But, keep in mind that Torrence has a Super Bowl ring. Campbell?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

My crystal ball says JC will be just fine and the Skins get another case of self imposed pimping again. That said, since this is fantasy football, don’t rule out the Cowpokes. They dump Kitna and JC would be a “great fit”. Additionally same could be said about Jackson and Vikes. JC being the “proven commodity” could improve the team immediately at a low cost. LA and Car are nice places to visit but I don’t think he wants to live there.
Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 9, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

People made the same excuses for Patrick Ramsey. Guess what? Ramsey couldn't get it done anywhere else either. Campbell is a nice guy but just an average quarterback. There is a reson the Broncos chose Kyle Orton over JC last year and there is a reason why no other team has stepped up so far for Campbell this year. I hope it is clear what the league thinks of JC's ability as a QB.

Posted by: sjp879 | April 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I think that trading Campbell to Buffalo is a good idea, but not for Lynch. I would be very happy to see us trade Campbell for Donte Whitner however.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM


Whitner makes no sense unless Landry gets traded. You'd then have two guys playing SS and no one at FS.


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Yeah good point. I had forgotten Whitner was a SS. I do say we need either a pick or a FS for Campbell.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I think that trading Campbell to Buffalo is a good idea, but not for Lynch. I would be very happy to see us trade Campbell for Donte Whitner however.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:14 AM


Whitner makes no sense unless Landry gets traded. You'd then have two guys playing SS and no one at FS.


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Yeah good point. I had forgotten Whitner was a SS. I do say we need either a pick or a FS for Campbell.

Posted by: TheMeast21 | April 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

oh.. oh.. oh.. and the girlfriend is also the sister!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:21 AM

That's sick. She's the cheerleader. Didn't you ever play football or own a pickup truck?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Now that he’s with the Skins he will be throwing allot of off speed stuff talking to himself.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan |

Mostly McNabb will be muttering 'I wonder what the Hell route Devin will run this time?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

my first time being first

Posted by: knibley | April 9, 2010 6:23 AM

Thats what she said! :-)

Posted by: admir81 | April 9, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

LA and Car are nice places to visit but I don’t think he wants to live there.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 9, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

LA has a football team? Or is JC starting an acting career?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Maybe yes and maybe no. I'll let sports_guru be the judge of that. But, keep in mind that Torrence has a Super Bowl ring. Campbell?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

So does Mark Brunell, add them both to the list of guys who leave DC and get a ring.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

oh.. oh.. oh.. and the girlfriend is also the sister!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:21 AM

That's sick. She's the cheerleader. Didn't you ever play football or own a pickup truck?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:25 AM

Thought you were saying RedDMV was a mentally challenged inbred redneck that drove a pickup truck, and that he was wearing a helmet inside the truck, because he was "special"... I figured such an inbred specimen would want to continue the tradition of inbreeding.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Lets be fair though, Campbell was a much better QB than Torrence was a corner.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:17 AM

Maybe yes and maybe no. I'll let sports_guru be the judge of that. But, keep in mind that Torrence has a Super Bowl ring. Campbell?

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:22 AM

Advantage Torrence!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Lets be fair though, Campbell was a much better QB than Torrence was a corner.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I can't just keep quiet over that one, alex. LT was all-world covering the slot receiver. There wasn't anyone else on the Kdins who could do that.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM

Nope. He left her. So, she is fair game.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Cork the pregofile?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


Whitner makes no sense unless Landry gets traded. You'd then have two guys playing SS and no one at FS.

Maybe Whitner can do a better job adjusting to FS than Landry did.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I really think the Bills might be desperate enough to give us a 2nd round pick for Campbell. I dont remember where or when I saw it, but I saw that a Bills source said that they should give us a 2nd round pick. They really have nobody. At least Oakland has Gradkowski or whatever his name is who's a decent QB.

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

No News is No NEws as usual.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I thought Americans didn't smoke cigarettes anymore.

I know you could used to catch me puffing on a 'port a few years back.

Cigarettes are too costly now. I went to NY about two years ago and was STUNNED that a pack of cigarettes could cost as much as TEN dollars.

I then realized that was a great thing.

Posted by: RedDMV


Yeah replacing "I used to walk to school uphill both ways" is "I quit a 2 pack a day habit back when smokes where about $4.00 a CARTON.

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

All this talk of being unfair to JC is a joke. Where is it written that the Redskins QB position shouldn't have stiff competition? Thats been our problem for a long time. Certain players getting a pass to start because so and so drafted them or they have a big salary. All of the changes JC endured hurt him some, but don't you think ONE of the offenses he has been taught he would have stood out in? He and others had their chances to excel and the results speak for themselves. COMPETE and this team gets better AT EVERY POSITION.

Posted by: razor25 | April 9, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

8 months pregnant with twins from another guy, and you want to hit on her??...have at it....lol

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Seems like a win-win situation for the Skins. Either they have a good competition for backup QB between Campbell and Grossman or they get a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick back for trading Campbell.

Posted by: siris | April 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM


Nope...timing couldn't be better. She's already preggers which means you can hit it bareback and not worry about knocking her up. The only concern is if Tiki gave her something from that groupie skank he's been tappin'...

I actually think Tiki's wife is hotter than the chick he cheated with. I'd bang her with Skins gear on just to mess with that d-bag. Thoughts?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like thry are looking a gift horse before the cart on this.

Posted by: last1 | April 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

On Mcnabb, still has a solid 2-3 years left of consistent play. During which time we can build the team around him, draft a QB and have a Kevin Kolb type scenerio if a gem like that presents itself in the future no real rush now. I like this pick up in many levels. We get a Veteran QB that's been under appreciated, mobile, has a distaste for the eagles and a coach who's won two SB with another 30something QB in denver. So you see the reasons for the trade for MCNabb. Consider you have to give up something to get something in return a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year isn't so bad. Locker room presence repping the HC, yet another plus. Did I mention I have my vocal QB leader now. Now let's start replenishing our draft picks and continue the house cleaning. Go redskins.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Phil then wiped the lotion off his hands with a rag, adjusted his corset and returned to his corner.

...nfl wh0re. lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Thoughts?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

My only thought is if you can play it out right, your looking at a woman who will be getting a nice bit of cash from the devoice too.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM

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yup and maybe if Oakland (with JaMarshmellow as the QB) and Buffalo (???QB) would all be smart they better surrender some picks and trade for him so they'll have a veteran QB until they can find their own franchise QB.

oh which reminds me, I better sell my autographed Campbell jersey before he gest traded.

GO SKINS!!! GO McNabb!!!!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 9, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM

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yup and maybe if Oakland (with JaMarshmellow as the QB) and Buffalo (???QB) would all be smart they better surrender some picks and trade for him so they'll have a veteran QB until they can find their own franchise QB.

oh which reminds me, I better sell my autographed Campbell jersey before he gets traded.

GO SKINS!!! GO McNabb!!!!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 9, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go, but JC is in dire need of a fresh start. If Carolina is smart, they'll snap him up and have him compete for the starting job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:26 AM

_________________________________

yup and maybe if Oakland (with JaMarshmellow as the QB) and Buffalo (???QB) would all be smart they better surrender some picks and trade for him so they'll have a veteran QB until they can find their own franchise QB.

oh which reminds me, I better sell my autographed Campbell jersey before he gets traded.

GO SKINS!!! GO McNabb!!!!

Posted by: datruth21 | April 9, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, it's gonna be like thowin' a hot dog down a hallway... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/2010-04-07-phil-simms-donovan-mcnabb_N.htm

Posted by: skinfanman | April 9, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I hate having to agree with Phil Simms.

Posted by: westjr88 | April 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see him go??!!

weir.d

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 9, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

8 months pregnant with twins from another guy, and you want to hit on her??...have at it....lol

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 9:38 AM
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My wife gave birth to twins twelve years ago and I can tell you... ain't nobody tapping on that at eight months.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

When, not if, McNabb is injured this season, would you prefer JC or Grossman? Let's remember that teams need a quality back-up qb, and in spite of our qualms about JC as a starter, under Shannahan he'd be a valuable back-up to McNabb. An unintended positive for JC is being around McNabb for a whole season learning what McNabb does well as a leader.
Also, what happened to 'competition at every spot?' You bring in McNabb and anoint him the starter after declaring 'competition at every spot?' JC's best move might be to stay in DC, relieve McNabb for a few games, drive up his value, then move on.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 9, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sims:

"I would think they all went into their little conference room at Redskins Park," Simms said, "shut the door, looked at each other and started jumping up and down, high fiving, jumping around and going 'Alright! We got him!'


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I did the same thing Sunday night after I booked this 2 weeks prior....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

8 months pregnant with twins from another guy, and you want to hit on her??...have at it....lol

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 9:38 AM
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I'm a father of twins and I can tell all of you that there will be nothing happening there until after the babies are born.

It's funny that he's having twins being a twin himself. It usually skips a generation...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

For those who are saying that we won't get much for Campbell because we already traded for McNabb and so we hurt JC's value. I would like to point out that the coin has a second side.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 8:28 AM
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"...the coin has a second side."

hey Alex, did you go to Oklahoma , too?

"thats all out the water, now"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less if they just cut him. It's a zero-cost jettison of mediocre, at best, talent at QB. He's got no vision, no instinct, no ability to see the field or understand the offense no matter how many years he plays. For all I know, he'd have been better at WR. But he's bottom two or three in the league at BEST. So get rid of him. Portis and that cow Haynesworth just be next. This is a great year for sweeping out deadwood. No cap implications, no worries. Dump them all out. Do a thorough housecleaning of ALL the malcontents and incometents.

Posted by: JamesChristian | April 9, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I did the same thing Sunday night after I booked this 2 weeks prior....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 9:50 AM

If you had truly booked it, then you would have been jumping up and down and high fiving yourself two weeks ago, not Sunday night.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm a father of twins and I can tell all of you that there will be nothing happening there until after the babies are born.

It's funny that he's having twins being a twin himself. It usually skips a generation...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 9:52 AM
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I guess this makes Tiki, the "evil twin".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb is twice the quarterback as JC--plus he can breathe through his nose

Posted by: ElYeah | April 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Dear JC fans,
It must be tough watching your boy getting pushed out the door. Also the fact that no one else seems to be interested in him must frustrating to you. It is what it is. He sucks and everyone knows it but you. Duh!!

Posted by: theBozyn1 | April 9, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/redskins-take-a-look-at-trent-williams/

Redskins take a look at Trent Williams
Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2010 7:41 PM ET
NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock thinks that left tackle Trent Williams would be the best fit for the Redskins with the fourth overall pick in the 2010 draft. The Redskins seem to at least be willing to do their due diligence in this regard.

Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan in D.C. reports that Williams has visited the Redskins.

The Redskins also have visited this week with Russell Okung.

Mayock believes that Williams is a better fit for the zone-blocking scheme that the Redskins are implementing, given that it requires more agility and quickness. Still, with a 33-year-old quarterback who has had nearly as many operations as Cavity Sam, pass blocking will be even more important. Russ Lande of Sporting News thinks Williams will be gone at No. 2, to the Lions; Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly has concerns regarding Williams' work ethic and bust potential.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 9, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, it's gonna be like thowin' a hot dog down a hallway... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 9:44 AM


LOL Dik...it ain't that bad! Having run thru my fair share of MILFs, I can tell you the fit ain't really that bad once she's a few months removed from the delivery. Plus doctors shortcut so many pregnancies now that she'll probably have a C-section anyway.

But RSH is right...when my wife was pregnant, the hanky-panky stopped at around 8 months. But hopefully the former Mrs. Barber will be a little bit more inventive than my wife was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"...the coin has a second side."

hey Alex, did you go to Oklahoma , too?

"thats all out the water, now"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Okay but how did you fell about the crux of the argument. That if we had traded Campbell before getting McNabb, we would have probably been giving up a first round pick for McNabb.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

And if you are going to bang Giant/db wives, please select current players for max payback

Posted by: ElYeah | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth: Haynesworth deal to require 2nd rounder?
Albert Haynesworth - DL - WAS - Apr. 8 - 10:10 pm et
ESPN.com's Chris Mortensen believes the Redskins would require at least a second-rounder "and maybe a player" in return for Albert Haynesworth.
Mort was merely tweeting speculation as opposed to reporting here. ESPN's "Sports Guy" is campaigning for the Pats to deal one of their second-round picks, but Haynesworth is more likely to end up in a 4-3 scheme if the Redskins deal him. The Titans don't have a 2010 second-rounder, so they'd have to get creative. The Rams have Adam Carriker to entice the Redskins. Apr. 8 - 10:10 pm et
Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter

Posted by: skinfanman | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

My wife gave birth to twins twelve years ago and I can tell you... ain't nobody tapping on that at eight months.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 9:49 AM

Funniest sentence I've ever read on Redskin Insider.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't purge the whole roster, let them fight it out.If we can get adequate picksfor some of them-fine, but other than that lets see if some of the fat cats can adjust. Portis can be the best back on this team and hasno trade value. Haynesworth wouldn't be here if the currentt regime had their way, but you can't tell me he doesn't know he is being watched. Unless you get a #1 pick for him, let him come to the mandatory workouts and let MS work him hard. We don't have enough picks to do it any other way, unfortunately. We have to assume(skeptical) that some of these guys can be coached better and put in better positions to succeed.

Posted by: razor25 | April 9, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

hanky panky. rich!

Mrs. Shuttle is still hangin' in there. She's a trooper. lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 9, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I will be very surprised if JC is just released. There is no QB controversy to avoid and he is an asset. Some teams QB will get hurt in the pre-season or in September and then the SKINS will be dealing from a position of power. Shanny doesn't care if it is a little awkward for JC to still be around the team.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 9, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

That was about as productive as some of those dumb-ass arguments you used to have up here with talent_evaluator. Glad that guy got run off.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 6:19 AM

Let's not get carried away here. t_e reminded me of a much younger, cooler, and more thought provoking blogger compared to you. She will be missed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

mort is spot on with that, if we're trading big al, then I want AT least a 2nd, as well as a STARTING player...send him to the Rams for their 2nd and Alex Barron....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"...the coin has a second side."

hey Alex, did you go to Oklahoma , too?

"thats all out the water, now"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Okay but how did you fell about the crux of the argument. That if we had traded Campbell before getting McNabb, we would have probably been giving up a first round pick for McNabb.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM
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yeah.. I agree with those dynamics..
No one will know how much Shanahan coveted DM. Its window under the bridge, now.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

mort is spot on with that, if we're trading big al, then I want AT least a 2nd, as well as a STARTING player...send him to the Rams for their 2nd and Alex Barron....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:16 AM

I would make that deal yesterday.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less if they just cut him. It's a zero-cost jettison of mediocre, at best, talent at QB. He's got no vision, no instinct, no ability to see the field or understand the offense no matter how many years he plays. For all I know, he'd have been better at WR. But he's bottom two or three in the league at BEST. So get rid of him.
Posted by: JamesChristian | April 9, 2010 9:56 AM

Whoa, whoa, we're trying to INCREASE his trade value...sssshhhhhhhhh!!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | April 9, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

yeah.. I agree with those dynamics..
No one will know how much Shanahan coveted DM. Its window under the bridge, now.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse


Some great drunk quotes that fit into that line of thought that I have made in the past.

"It's big for its size"
"It's a global world"

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

send him to the Rams for their 2nd and Alex Barron....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:16 AM

What is it with Alex Barron? He is not good BG. Take Carriker or OJ, but Barron is Heyer with more hype.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Campbell has to go.. first of all he sucks. But second here he will be backup to McNabb for as long as McNabb is here.. 3 years???? Campbell wants at least a shot to start.. that means he must go. Problem is teams know Campbell is not that good so the question remains who wants to even give him that shot??? All I know is no one is knocking down our door for him...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 9, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Under the rules of the collective bargaining agreement, Campbell's salary would be guaranteed if he is on the opening 53-man roster."

Trade value? Sh!tcan ... if a team really is interested, it can wait till he's cut. If they can't move him, he's on the roster till the 53 man roster cuts. [Though I think he would be better than Grossman and whoever the other "normal" #3 guy would be.]

Shanallen better pull this one off. They need TWO miracles ... moving Haynesworth AND moving Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Prediction: McNabb will NOT last the season.

The #2 QB will be play a significant role this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

not sure about that twis, he shut JAllen out when they went against each other, move Barron to RT, take OKung put him at LT, thats a line that has potential...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"Golf... worst sport ever."


Three types of athletes always amaze me:

MLB pitchers who can locate and make a 90 mph ball go to whatever spot they want it to land in.

NFL quarterbacks who can assimilate dense playbooks, and, in :03 seconds, make the right pass, to the right guy, while being hit by a 300 pounder.

And nerdy golfers who can drive a ball 400 yards to where it lands in the same spot roughly time after time.

You can hate the game, but not deny the skill.

And if Tiger Woods wins the Masters after the 300 pound, five month emotional hit he's taken, it won't be denied that he's the best athlete there is right now in all of sports.

And why folks don't see this amazes me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think JC should just accept his role in the NFL as a back up. & just stay home. He will get some PT, McSabb has never been known to play a full season.

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins take a look at Trent Williams
Posted by Mike Florio on April 8, 2010 7:41 PM ET
NFL Network draft guru Mike Mayock thinks that left tackle Trent Williams would be the best fit for the Redskins with the fourth overall pick in the 2010 draft. The Redskins seem to at least be willing to do their due diligence in this regard.

Chris Russell of 106.7 The Fan in D.C. reports that Williams has visited the Redskins."
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if true, hopefully not.... gamble and trade down to mid-to -late first round and pick up a 3rd or 4th.
Trent Williams is not a 4th overall pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Trade value? Sh!tcan ... if a team really is interested, it can wait till he's cut.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2010 10:23 AM

I don't think so. If a team is really interested, they want him now, not in September so that he can learn their offense, work with their receivers. Key phrase "If a team is really interested...."

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Prediction: McNabb will NOT last the season. The #2 QB will be play a significant role this year."


So who's you back up, Rex or Campbell?

Or Tebow?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It happens every year. A starting QB goes down early in the season. It happened to Brady, McNabb, Hasslebeck....
Not every team in the league has a quality backup. There will teams having to decide between an unproven guy or trading for the 15th rated QB with over 50 NFL games under his belt.
I'm not a big JC fan. He was probably never going to be great but he was better than most of the QB's we've had since Snyder bought the team.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 9, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Why in God's name, outside of a pure "respect" move, would the Redskins cut Campbell?

What, did he go from the #1 QB to the #4 QB overnight simply with the addition of McNabb?

And with 5 teams interested in Campbell, are the Redskins best served outright releasing him?

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins will trade JC. No way do they cut him, as others suggested. Why do that when you can get something of value? Even a 4th round pick is better than nothing.

Ultimately, I think Campbell is better than half the QBs that started last year. He will get a starting job somewhere.

As for McNabb, he is a shell of what he once was. Perhaps this will motivate him for next year. I'm sure they will do better than last years 4-12. But, I don't think he's really much of an upgrade. I think the coaches look at him as a stop gap measure. He will be too old after the team rebuilds in a few years. Look for them to take a QB in next years draft.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"..hopefully not.... gamble and trade down to mid-to -late first round and pick up a 3rd or 4th...Trent Williams is not a 4th overall pick..."

So package Jason Campbell and the 4th pick to move down, and pick up a fourth rounder along the way.

Team?: the Niners have a pick at 17, maybe they'd like to move up to snag McCoy or Berry?

We get Williams and a fourth rounder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Prediction: McNabb will NOT last the season. The #2 QB will be play a significant role this year."


So who's you back up, Rex or Campbell?

Or Tebow?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I think JC should just accept his role in the NFL as a back up. & just stay home. He will get some PT, McSabb has never been known to play a full season.

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

we should hang onto JC17 and have him develope behind DM5 and give him a another chance to be our QB of the future.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't want Campbell even as a back up...Hell I'd rather bring back collins than campbell LOL


tape does not lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

In order to recoup picks, the FO needs to trade the following players before the draft:

* Campbell
* Landry
* Haynesworth
* Carter

That's how the roster will get younger/hungrier....

Posted by: G-SHOK | April 9, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

mort is spot on with that, if we're trading big al, then I want AT least a 2nd, as well as a STARTING player...send him to the Rams for their 2nd and Alex Barron....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:16 AM


I'd do that deal...especially since the Rams 2nd rounder shakes out to a late 1st rounder most other years (in terms of value). Haslett has a boner for Carriker so work him into the deal too. Maybe they'll take Carter or Portis to sweeten the pot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"MLB pitchers who can locate and make a 90 mph ball go to whatever spot they want it to land in." - MistaMoe

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And so when a pitcher over throws 1st Base to get the runner out has to be really irritating.

Gonna be in Sarasota, FL in June. Where can I find a good steakhouse down in Florida?

Posted by: Vicc | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Shanallen better pull this one off. They need TWO miracles ... moving Haynesworth AND moving Campbell.

Posted by: dcsween | April 9, 2010 10:23 AM
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may not be so hard to move Campbell...at least for 2011 picks or players..

On average at least one QB Starter goes down in pre-season practice or games and usually 2 QB Starters are on IR by the mid-October NFL trading deadline (after the 6th week).
So, maybe three to four opportunities before October to see JC go from a 5th round compensation value to possibly as high as a 2011 2nd rounder and or player(s).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

BG if the Skins ever get Barron, I'll go into my bag of over-hype and we can debate that move at that time.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Trent Williams is not a 4th overall pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:27 AM

Trent Williams is listed higher on some teams draft boards over Okung.

He is said to have a higher ceiling than Okung. If Okung is worthy of #4...so is TWill....And TWill is more athletic than Okung.

4th's Mock Draft 5.0:

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. Trent Williams

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"And why folks don't see this amazes me.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Mostly because a decent number of people don't view golf as a sport -- and thus golfers not athletes.

A skill? Absolutely.

But so is bowling and billiards.

I'd have a tough time calling them athletes too.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

In order to recoup picks, the FO needs to trade the following players before the draft:

* Campbell
* Landry
* Haynesworth
* Carter

That's how the roster will get younger/hungrier....

Posted by: G-SHOK | April 9, 2010 10:38 AM

No one is trading for those guys before the draft. After the draft they may be able to trade them for picks in next year's draft or for players that the 'skins need now.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse
I think so. I think she is about to have twins.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Shanny, Allen + AH = C-yah!

Posted by: sthai75 | April 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse
I think so. I think she is about to have twins.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 10:41 AM

Not sure which is worse...

2 months before or 2 months after.

I'd give a year to get things back in order..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I was just about to say that 4thFloor's boy, Mike Mayock thinks Trent Williams is a better fit for the zone blocking scheme than Okung. I'd be happy to get either of them over Bulaga. Bruce Campbell woulda be an upside pick the 2nd.

Posted by: Vicc | April 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Do you think it's to soon to hit on Tiki Barber's wife?


Let's be honest:

Ronde Barber--Hall of Famer

Tiki Barber--azzhole

This is where the wrong twin is getting too much attention.

Ronde Barber is one of the better players in the league over the last ten years that no one mentions.

Charles Woodsen is another cat like this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"tape does not lie

Posted by: leevi98"

Sure doesn't. Like when Campbell torched the Saints for 300 yards and 3 TDs, only to see him get sabotaged by a missed 25 yard FG and a Landry double-move.

Me? I'd take Campbell over any backup QB in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

twis, 10-4, works for me, haha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

incredible how the posters on this blog think they know more then the personnel guys on NFL teams --- JC has proven his worth: he's practically worthless

Posted by: bestmick1 | April 9, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

we should hang onto JC17 and have him develope behind DM5 and give him a another chance to be our QB of the future.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 9, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I think part of our problem now, is that we have given him too many chances to be the QB of the future.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah! JC was a real warrior!! He could take a hit just like Tina Turner. Too bad he plays like her too.

Posted by: ggt546 | April 9, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

In order to recoup picks, the FO needs to trade the following players before the draft:

* Campbell
* Landry
* Haynesworth
* Carter

That's how the roster will get younger/hungrier....

Posted by: G-SHOK | April 9, 2010 10:38 AM

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Landry is very young and *remember* members of the secondary normally enter their prime around late 20's early 30's. I think if used right, Landry could be a force. Give the secondary time. Their only as good as their front seven anyway.

Posted by: Vicc | April 9, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I was just about to say that 4thFloor's boy, Mike Mayock thinks Trent Williams is a better fit for the zone blocking scheme than Okung. I'd be happy to get either of them over Bulaga. Bruce Campbell woulda be an upside pick the 2nd.

Posted by: Vicc | April 9, 2010 10:45 AM


And to clarify, Mayock said this after my Mock 5.0 came out (Just sayin)....

...And Mayock has him @ #3 on his OT rankings with Bulaga @ #2. Bulaga will be a carreer RT and I don't know why people keep pegging him to #5 KC?? His arms are to short for my liking......

Also, everyone is knocking Colt McCoy....I like him...he's a winner....He'll go late in the 1st round before Tebow....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Sure doesn't. Like when Campbell torched the Saints for 300 yards and 3 TDs, only to see him get sabotaged by a missed 25 yard FG and a Landry double-move.

Me? I'd take Campbell over any backup QB in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 10:46 AM
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hate to rain on your reply psps... I like Campbell and think he is currently a serviceable backup.. But, he was playing a NO team that was missing two-thirds of its secondary that game. He "torched" NO's back-ups...One who in fact was playing in his very first NFL game.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

He is said to have a higher ceiling than Okung. If Okung is worthy of #4...so is TWill....And TWill is more athletic than Okung.


Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 10:40 AM

Yeah, but he also has a higher chance of being a bust I've heard. I'd rather roll with Okung...I'll sacrifice some athleticism if he's the surest bet to lock down the LT spot for the next decade.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ronde Barber is one of the better players in the league over the last ten years that no one mentions.

Charles Woodsen is another cat like this.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Co-sign!

Never understood why Woodson and R. Barber don't receive as much fanfare as other DBs like Bailey.

Both guys have been vastly underrated their entire careers.

They're in their 30s and are still starting.

And they're still playing at a very high level.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I think part of our problem now, is that we have given him too many chances to be the QB of the future.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 10:50 AM

Just one more chance, his stats show he's getting better each year. Shanny know's this.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 9, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Agreed BW....That's because some question his work ethic...

Charles Woodson was the DPOY....I think he is recognized just fine....

Rohnde plays in the Tampa-2, where there isn't a premium put on CBs.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

C Wood is the best CB in the last 10 years. Dude does nothing but make plays and is a HOF.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Ronde Barber is one of the better players in the league over the last ten years that no one mentions.

Charles Woodsen is another cat like this.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Woodson gets plenty of accolades. Barber, not so much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The thing about T Williams is that he's able to be more than adequate at three positions (LT,RT,C). That has his value rising up the board as well. Throw in that he's one of the more athletic Olman in the draft, and one of the more consistent Olman in term of production, I think you have a solid top 7 player there.

Posted by: TWISI | April 9, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

so if you're JC's agent.. and your client signs the Tender but, the HC is still shopping him and welcomes you to do the same.. Do you tell your client to be "business as usual" and show up at the voluntaries at Redskins Park?
If you dont show up.. it could be implied your a malcontent and hurt your own value.. If you do show up and practice with the WRs and Donovan.. whats the downside..(besides a bruised ego)?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Never understood why Woodson and R. Barber don't receive as much fanfare as other DBs like Bailey.


Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 10:55 AM


Champ has a cool nickname and was drafted high. Plus he's played in big markets.

Woodson played for Oakland and Green Bay. And Ronde plays CB in Tampa, not RB in NY like his brother. It's not right, but I get it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Woodson just got DPOY.

Before that there were a few people that thought he still played in Oakland.

Barber has been slept on basically his whole career.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:01 AM

I think you tell Campbell to show up after the tender is signed, especially after Shanhahn made public the offer to keep him around as a backup.

Now if Campbell signs the offer and is told by Mike not to come to Ashburn because they are looking to trade. Then i say keep away.

Basically the second he signs the tender, he should do whatever the HC wants him to do.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Quick question via a discussion on another blog. Does anyone here remember Campbell playing the race card in the whole Jay Cutler thing last year? Someone is claiming he did, I would think that would have been picked up a great bit more if he did.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Whenever a new coaching staff comes in it is kind of silly not to be a part of everything that goes on.

Any player that would not avail themselves to the new regime is not thinking straight.

Even Jason Campbell should not stay away and we are sure he most certainly will be traded.

Albert Haynesworth is an idiot for staying away.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 9, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Call me crazy, but I hope we make a move to draft baby Jesus (Tebow) in the second round for several reasons..

One, he has performed circumcisions which is way undervalued in todays world. Two, the guy is a winner and a proven leader. Three.. this will never get old

I like to picture Jesus in a tuxedo T-shirt cos it says like, I wanna be formal but I’m here to party too, cos I like to party, so I like my Jesus to party.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Basically the second he signs the tender, he should do whatever the HC wants him to do.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:08 AM
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agreed..
In my opinion.. JC's agent has provided bad advice in the past.. Recall the "trade me" bit-ch fit he and JC threw when Snyder was enamored with Sanchez.
Versus a better response of "Bring it on.. I am better anyway.
It will be interesting to see what his Agent tells him to do. JC would be back under Contract..but the Park activities are "voluntary".
AH isnt there and he is under Contract, yet he is being crucified for it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

agreed..
In my opinion.. JC's agent has provided bad advice in the past.. Recall the "trade me" bit-ch fit he and JC threw when Snyder was enamored with Sanchez.
Versus a better response of "Bring it on.. I am better anyway.
It will be interesting to see what his Agent tells him to do. JC would be back under Contract..but the Park activities are "voluntary".
AH isnt there and he is under Contract, yet he is being crucified for it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I meant to add that AH is also being "shopped around" for picks, similar to JC.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Whenever a new coaching staff comes in it is kind of silly not to be a part of everything that goes on.

Bingo. Especially if the new staff is installing a entirely new defense.

AH knows that this new staff wouldn't have signed him. They really don't want him; and he really doesn't want them (or their defense).

The problem is finding a solution.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 9, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

As usual, the Redskins are bargaining without leverage from a weak position.

The only way all these moves make sense is if the Redskins trade malcontents for draft picks and use them to bolster the OL.

Tell me that's the plan Dan.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | April 9, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Never understood why Woodson and R. Barber don't receive as much fanfare as other DBs like Bailey.

Both guys have been vastly underrated their entire careers.

They're in their 30s and are still starting.

And they're still playing at a very high level.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 10:55 AM


Its because the overall success of the teams they played with. When Oakland was in the AFC championship game vs N.E.(the game they invented the tuck rule) you was hearing about Woodson often, but Oakland fell off as well did Woodson's fame. Same goes for Barber i dont have to talk about how much TB has sucked since there Super Bowl....but i think Woodson is starting to get that fame back with the Packers... all Barber has to do is go to Dallas, or where his brother played and he will be mentioned with Baily and whoever the hell else the leuge is hypin' @ the time

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 9, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Quick question via a discussion on another blog. Does anyone here remember Campbell playing the race card in the whole Jay Cutler thing last year? Someone is claiming he did, I would think that would have been picked up a great bit more if he did.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's on them to prove that it happened.

But I don't remember anything like that being said.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Sure doesn't. Like when Campbell torched the Saints for 300 yards and 3 TDs, only to see him get sabotaged by a missed 25 yard FG and a Landry double-move.

Me? I'd take Campbell over any backup QB in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

And then threw an INT in crunch time when they could of pulled out the win. Please stop with the nonsense - Shanahan doesn't think JC can run his offense, no matter what you say, that's the strongest indictment of JC ever.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 9, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Campbell will land somewhere as a starter. He was middle of the pack QB last year, which is saying something with the redskins offense last year. Look at the starters last year who JC could easily replace:
Kyle Orton - 12TD and 11INT in last 9 games
Chad Henne - 12TDs last year (451 Att)
David Garrard
Jake Delhomme
Matt Leinart
Vince Young - 32TDs, 39INTs in 4 seasons
AJ Feeley
Trent Edwards
JaMarcus Russell
Matt Hasselbeck - 22TDs 27INT last 2 years

There are also QBs that he was better than last year that have potential
Matt Stafford - terrible last year
Kevin Kolb - who knows?
Alex Smith - started to come around late
Mark Sanchez - may be good someday
Josh Freeman - maybe

The bottom line is JC is better than most QBs last year. Someone will pick him up as a starter.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 9, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"If you dont show up.. it could be implied your a malcontent and hurt your own value.. If you do show up and practice with the WRs and Donovan.. whats the downside..(besides a bruised ego)?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

The downside for the team is that if Campbell shows up with the intent to be traded, he's seeing the playbook/scheme even though he won't be on your roster come the start of the season.

That's why I don't believe this is purely Campbell's decision to stay away.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what his Agent tells him to do. JC would be back under Contract..but the Park activities are "voluntary".
AH isnt there and he is under Contract, yet he is being crucified for it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And if JC doesn't show up, I'm sure you will be the first to let everyone know.

The comparison to AH is a bad one. One guy has been paid 32 million and has potential to be the best player at his position in the league. The other guy just got demoted to 2nd string QB.

Don't know why you expect people to view them equally.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 9, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

ts because the overall success of the teams they played with. When Oakland was in the AFC championship game vs N.E.(the game they invented the tuck rule) you was hearing about Woodson often, but Oakland fell off as well did Woodson's fame. Same goes for Barber i dont have to talk about how much TB has sucked since there Super Bowl....but i think Woodson is starting to get that fame back with the Packers... all Barber has to do is go to Dallas, or where his brother played and he will be mentioned with Baily and whoever the hell else the leuge is hypin' @ the time

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 9, 2010 11:18 AM
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the media market a player is in, often sets the stage for their visibility and thus endorsement income, too ... Its why Archie wanted Eli in NYC and not SD.. Archie didnt have squat in terms of endorsements during and after his time at NO. He surely remembered that. And he saw how long it took Peyton to get Ad endorsement traction in Indy.. Took a SB MVP to finally get Peyton deals.. (ironically, now I think he is over exposed)..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Woodson was recognized in Oaktown....He was Franchise Tagged for 2/3 years straight.......He was, what, a top 3 pick? A Heisman Trophy Winner.

He is/has been top notch since day 1 in the Not For Long League....

Barber just has an idiot twin brother.......But he is a pproaching borderline HOF

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

And then threw an INT in crunch time when they could of pulled out the win. Please stop with the nonsense - Shanahan doesn't think JC can run his offense, no matter what you say, that's the strongest indictment of JC ever.

Posted by: ga8085


I can only recall one time when Campbell threw an INT in crunch time, and that was in Dallas two or three years ago.

I think he may have thrown one last year against the Saints also.

Aside from that I can't remember Campbell literally throwing the game away in the 4th quarter.

From what I remember, as much as everyone loves to gas up this defense, I remember them being UNABLE to get stops when it mattered the most for the last three years.

They called it "bend but don't break".

If it's bent, then it's already broke.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan doesn't think JC can run his offense, no matter what you say, that's the strongest indictment of JC ever."

I think the skins just got a deal they couldn't refuse. They got a proven winner from an in-conference rival for just a 2nd and 3rd round pick. They will trade JC for a 2nd or 3rd round pick so the net cost is a single 2nd or 3rd round pick. I like Campbell but even I would take that deal.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"Woodson just got DPOY."


C Woodson jumped to the front of the elite corner back line during a packers v. skins game from a few years ago when he picked up a Moss fumble, and scooted in to score.

He had a couple of other awesome plays in that game, from what I remember.

I've seen him dominate other teams' receivers other games, and have wondered how the raiders let him go.

But as for now D Revis--jets occupies the top of the 'shut down' corner list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

New candidate for dumbest question asked to prospect
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 9, 2010 11:22 AM ET
First, we had the deserter question to Myron Rolle. Then, the G-string or jock strap quandary posed to Gerald McCoy.

The latest nominee in most ridiculous thing posed to an incoming rookie comes from the James Madison outside linebacker Arthur Moats, who passes along this story to Patriots Daily.

"I was with the Redskins, and the guy asked me, if I'm coming into camp, I'm 30 minutes early, I'm sitting in the front row of the meeting room. Brian Orakpo walks in and says, "That's my chair." Am I going to get up and give him my spot, or am I going to sit there and fight him for a chair?" Moats said.

Moats' answer to the team gives a window into his soul. Or it's totally worthless.

"You know, I was just like, I'll slide over, because I mean, he's the million-dollar man; it's not that important. So he was like, 'Oh, so you're scared of him?' And I was like, no. And he was like, 'So why don't you go fight him?' There was kind of like no right answer to the question and everything, the way he was asking it."

Not fighting Brian Orakpo generally seems like a smart play.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"Please stop with the nonsense - Shanahan doesn't think JC can run his offense, no matter what you say, that's the strongest indictment of JC ever.

Posted by: ga8085"

Um, actually, Shanahan specifically welcomed JC back to back up McNabb.

The only "indictment" on JC is that Shanahan doesn't think he can run the offense better than a 6-time pro-bowl, future HOF QB can.

Excuse me if I don't take that and spin it to mean that JC is an awful, no-talent QB that has no business in Shanahan's system.

It takes a "special" person to jump from A to point B in that scenario.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

New candidate for dumbest question asked to prospect
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 9, 2010 11:22 AM ET
First, we had the deserter question to Myron Rolle. Then, the G-string or jock strap quandary posed to Gerald McCoy.

The latest nominee in most ridiculous thing posed to an incoming rookie comes from the James Madison outside linebacker Arthur Moats, who passes along this story to Patriots Daily.

"I was with the Redskins, and the guy asked me, if I'm coming into camp, I'm 30 minutes early, I'm sitting in the front row of the meeting room. Brian Orakpo walks in and says, "That's my chair." Am I going to get up and give him my spot, or am I going to sit there and fight him for a chair?" Moats said.

Moats' answer to the team gives a window into his soul. Or it's totally worthless.

"You know, I was just like, I'll slide over, because I mean, he's the million-dollar man; it's not that important. So he was like, 'Oh, so you're scared of him?' And I was like, no. And he was like, 'So why don't you go fight him?' There was kind of like no right answer to the question and everything, the way he was asking it."

Not fighting Brian Orakpo generally seems like a smart play.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Back in the day Rhonde Barber was considered one of the best CBs in the league. He got his due 5 years ago when he was good and playing at his best. Now, he is pretty old and slowing down. Hes not the same player he once was and thus all the hype surrounding him as disappeared. Still a fine CB, especially in a tampa 2 that doesn't prioritize CB's.

Woodson, on the other hand, is nasty so he deserves whatever he gets. Somehow hes 33 and getting better still. The man bumps and runs like no one and has some of the best ball skills ive ever seen from a CB.... mans nasty.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Not fighting Brian Orakpo generally seems like a smart play.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:34 AM

And this is the reason we won't be drafting this guy....That's a straight b!tch move....We don't need LBs like that...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree that the D didn't hold up its end, but JC has had a disturbing propensity to crack under pressure. I'm not totally sure, but he threw late game INT's against the Eagles, Cowboys, and Saints this year. A couple of yrs ago (2007?) he threw late game INT's against the Cowboys and Tampa Bay (twice!). I'm not trying to become one of the JC bashers on here, because there has been alot going against him, but good grief, I'm tired of seeing the same crap over and over again. And I'm also tired of hearing about folks wanting to get that scrub Carriker from the Rams. Please..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 9, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see what his Agent tells him to do. JC would be back under Contract..but the Park activities are "voluntary".
AH isnt there and he is under Contract, yet he is being crucified for it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

The comparison to AH is a bad one. One guy has been paid 32 million and has potential to be the best player at his position in the league. The other guy just got demoted to 2nd string QB.

Don't know why you expect people to view them equally.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 9, 2010 11:25 AM
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"Don't know why you expect people to view them equally."

Both under Contract to the same organization (when Tender is signed) would seem to make them equal regardless of who makes more money.
I bet JC will want to go to the workouts.. He is far more a team player than AH.. However, his agent that may stop him.

Regardless, if neither show up (AH or JC) "voluntary" not a breach of anything..

If JC signs he should at least accept the challenge or opportunity to beat out Grossman for the number 2 spot. He is getting paid about 3x's the amount of Rex, why not?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I hope when JC plans to sign his tender he doesn't get a writers cramp and have to leave the game.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 9, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The downside for the team is that if Campbell shows up with the intent to be traded, he's seeing the playbook/scheme even though he won't be on your roster come the start of the season.

That's why I don't believe this is purely Campbell's decision to stay away.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 11:22 AM

insert joke here..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright isn't on the roster any longer. Did he retire or sign elsewhere? Hate to see him go if so. Always dependable.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 9, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Re; Campbell and how “none of the other 31 GM’s want him”…….Mcnabb’s name was out there for weeks/months and nobody was biting, until the skins stepped in. It may take some time, but he will find some interest. Hopefully they wait until pre-season when someone’s starter goes down and JC’s value goes up (even as backup material). And I do agree that Mcnabb won’t play 16 games….so it may even be prudent to keep him if you don’t get any sort of value offered in return. I would want to see them get no less than a 3rd rounder for him, and frankly Rex Grossman scares me as our #2 unless I see some good preseason action from him.

Charles Woodson is an HOFer in my opinion….guy is awesome. Ronde Barber is too. Don’t know if he is getting to the hall, but if he does, they should blow up a giant picture of him taking a pick 6 to the house in the 02 NFC Championship game (intercepting our new QB by the way) vs the Eagles, with all of the Eags fans crying in their beers. That game was so much fun to watch, and it is the last game they ever played at the Vet….very fitting to anti Philly fans.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 9, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

And this is the reason we won't be drafting this guy....That's a straight b!tch move....We don't need LBs like that...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So if I go pick a fight with KpO, I can be a LB for the skins. I think that would be worth uglying up the face a bit.. Can I wear a mouth guard?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The downside for the team is that if Campbell shows up with the intent to be traded, he's seeing the playbook/scheme even though he won't be on your roster come the start of the season.

That's why I don't believe this is purely Campbell's decision to stay away.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 11:22 AM

insert joke here..

Ethan Albright isn't on the roster any longer. Did he retire or sign elsewhere? Hate to see him go if so. Always dependable.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 9, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse


Or here..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 9, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 9, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

4th, agreed...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I agree with most on here that Campbell will not be traded before draft day and that most teams will just wait until he is released later in the year.

Why surrender a draft pick when you can pick up a player for no picks and a lower salary?

Seems to me Clownble's days are numbered here in DC. Fresh start for him will do him good, but doesn't guarantee a starting spot elsewhere. Most likely he'll be a career clipboard holder, something Shanallen seemed to think as well.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me if I don't take that and spin it to mean that JC is an awful, no-talent QB that has no business in Shanahan's system.

It takes a "special" person to jump from A to point B in that scenario.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that either, but bottom line is Shanny didn't have much confidence in JC as his starter. And there was also the strong possibility that a QB was going to get drafted in the first 2 rounds before the McNabb deal. So how do you explain that away?

And thank you, mama always said I was special!

Posted by: ga8085 | April 9, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse


Circumstances around CBA rule impacts McNabb extension talks

There have been a number of conflicting reports about whether the Washington Redskins and their new starting quarterback Donovan McNabb have begun discussions for a contract extension. However, not only has McNabb’s representative denied extension talks have started, additionally, the Collective Bargaining Agreement does not formally allow for the start of such communication under notable circumstances.

“Talks haven’t started yet, but I expect they will in due time,” said McNabb’s agent Fletcher Smith to Fox31’s Josina Anderson Thursday morning. Smith originally stated this to Anderson on Monday.

There is no doubt Smith will be seeking a contract extension in the future, but because he recently restructured the terms of McNabb’s current deal, the time period in which Smith can do so again is effected by provisions in the NFL’s (CBA).

Article 24 and section nine of the (CBA) states:

“The contract of a veteran player may not be renegotiated to increase the salary to be paid to the player during the original terms of the contract for a period of 12 months after the player’s most recent contract renegotiation. The first renegotiation of a veteran contract, however, may take place at any time.”

In 2002, McNabb inked a $115 million, 12 –year contract extension thru 2013, but the last three years of his deal were stamped void after he attained certain incentives.

Cont.


http://community.kdvr.com/_Circumstances-around-CBA-rule-impacts-McNabb-extension-talks/BLOG/2291863/96399.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

There was kind of like no right answer to the question and everything, the way he was asking it."

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:35 AM

What a chuch. This is what happens when you don't get coached up for these interviews by someone like Vinny Cerrato. You ask that same question to Clausen and he'd have a good answer: "I make more money than you, so I'll buy the chair from you." or "We'll settle this the manly way: on the racquetball court." or "This is a dumb question. Why would either of us be 30 minutes early? We never arrive before Fred Davis."

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

cont.


However, in June of 2009, McNabb received a raise. The last two years of his current deal were reportedly restructured for an amount worth $24.5 million, with another $1 million in incentives.

As a result, according to several union lawyers Anderson spoke with Thursday, Smith and McNabb cannot begin to renegotiate for a contract extension before June of 2010 unless—in simplest terms—unless they agree to do a new deal where the salary cap number would either be equal to or less than the amount that it is currently at now.

“There are certainly some ways to circumvent this (CBA rule), by lowering (McNabb’s) base salary and raising his signing bonus and other bonuses, which may or may not be quantitatively prohibitive for a quarterback of McNabb’s caliber and stature. But simply, if that new hypothetical salary cap number is not equal or less than what it is now, then (McNabb’s camp) has to wait until the one-year anniversary of his latest renegotiation,” said an NFLPA staff counsel who wished not to be cited for this report.

“The 30 percent rule is a provision that comes into play in an uncapped year, but this article is not one of them unless there an agreement to decrease or maintain the current salary cap number. Circumventing that can get pretty complex, but that’s the basic spirit of it,” said another union staff lawyer.

While Smith did not close the possibility of trying to maneuver around this rule in such a manner for now, he was adamant in reiterating this: “as of this date we definitely have not begun talks yet.”

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Someone will give us something for Campbell, probably something pretty decent. Remember that even Vinny was able to get a draft pick for Archeleta because they were able to convince the Bears that they would keep him to be their Special Teams Captain!

Campbell has value to a team like the Panthers who intend to run it like crazy and only need conservative play out of their QB. Leverage can be created, if things are handled properly.

I think we'll wind up with a third or some combination that adds up to a third. It would be nice

Posted by: Jason10 | April 9, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

All this attention on McNabb is nice....We get to talk about the Skins off season moves again...maybe a monday Nighter Skins at Phily......Dream that Little Dream again......And get dissapointed again.........So instead of a 4-12 season we can look foward to 6-10.......8-8 at best...........Can we have a reality check!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BingCreole | April 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Dude, the 'skins get McNabb -- benching JC, there have been talks that he'll be traded AND STILL you're up here b*tching and moaning about Campbell and what he can and can't do.

Enough already!

In my opinion.. JC's agent has provided bad advice in the past.. Recall the "trade me" bit-ch fit he and JC threw when Snyder was enamored with Sanchez.
Versus a better response of "Bring it on.. I am better anyway.
It will be interesting to see what his Agent tells him to do. JC would be back under Contract..but the Park activities are "voluntary".
AH isnt there and he is under Contract, yet he is being crucified for it.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

"Campbell discussed his intentions with Coach Mike Shanahan during their meeting Monday, and both agreed it would be better for Campbell to train on his own and stay away from the park altogether while Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, works to find a more favorable situation for the five-year veteran. Although Shanahan prefers players to be involved in the program, Campbell might not be with the team much longer."

"Shanahan granted permission for Segal to explore trade opportunities in an effort to find Campbell a starting job."


So see, you're WRONG. Campbell has discussed this with Shanahan and they BOTH agreed that it'll be best that Campbell is away from the team while they sort out his situation.

This isn't some lame stunt by Campbell and his agent to force a trade or anything like that because THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING TO TRADE HIM!

So please, find somone else to post about daily that you want to see gone. I think everyone has had enough of your anti-Campbell bullsh*t to last a lifetime.

Gawd! We get it: You don't like Campbell. You think he sucks.

I mean, he's good as gone and you're still crying about what he's done, what he hasn't done, what he can't do... what the fu_k do you want from the guy?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Leverage can be created, if things are handled properly.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 9, 2010 11:47 AM

Skins have no hand...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g3tQaqizh0

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I hope when JC plans to sign his tender he doesn't get a writers cramp and have to leave the game.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan

what does that mean? If there is one thing NO one can say about JC is that hes durable and can play hurt. The man took more punishment than ANY QB last year and didn't miss a game. His only injury, behind an AWFUL OLINE, for the last 2-3 years was a freak knee cap that popped out of place. Nothing he can do about that.


Bash him for being a mediocre QB but don't hit a guy when hes down for something that he actually did surprisingly well.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

From what I remember, as much as everyone loves to gas up this defense, I remember them being UNABLE to get stops when it mattered the most for the last three years.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:27 AM

Bingo! And what was infuriating was all the high draft picks and big money $$ free agents that went to the defense in the offseason (Orakpo, DeAngelo, Haynesworth, Jarmon).... I thought the defense actually regressed in some ways last year.

The offense was completely neglected (especially the O-line), so this team was clearly built to be a defensive team last year. Recall the first 4 picks:

Round One- 13th overall Brian Orakpo DE Texas
Round Three- 80th overall Kevin Barnes CB Maryland
Round Five- 158th overall Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
Round Six- 186th overall Robert Henson LB TCU

Again, no picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds this year barring a trade.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So if I go pick a fight with KpO, I can be a LB for the skins. I think that would be worth uglying up the face a bit.. Can I wear a mouth guard?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 11:44 AM


Remember Rudy, the movie?

When I was in HS, the OLine coach would ask for the starting 5 to step up. If you wanted to start, you needed to step up. If 2 people stepped up to the same position, the Coach would have the 2 go at it...the winner was the starter....

When CP26 was a rookie, they asked for the starters to come up, and he stepped up, though Terel Davis was the starter.

He gave the reason he was the 'million dollar man'....So the SJK what??? What does his salary have to do with a seat in the coaching room?? These are linebackers who need to be vicious......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Curz, it sounds like there may be some truth to Vinny still being here judging from that PFT post...LOL

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"New candidate for dumbest question asked to prospect"


My favorite is:

To Doug Williams, "How long have you been a black quarterback?"

Then, there's:

To a kneeling woman, "Since you're already down there, would you mind...."

Or:

To a stripper in a champaigne room, "I though you said you were going to do that for free, weren't you?"

Finally, there's this question:

To a judge, "Why am I paying child support when I'm a enuch?"

"Oh, I get it, I'm only paying half as much as the other guy..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

True. Should have said "care about what they do equally".

Personally, I don't care where a 2nd string QB who is likely to be traded spends his time training.

But by all means, keep grasping for reasons for people to hate JC as much as you do.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 9, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

And this is the reason we won't be drafting this guy....That's a straight b!tch move....We don't need LBs like that...

Posted by: 4thFloor


Oh GTFOH, 4th.

Right, because the fact that it's Orakpo it's a b*tch move.

LOL... had that been Cushing you would've been co-signing the prospect LB's actions.

Is Orakpo like your gridiron antagonist or something, dude?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

JC haters sure do make it look personal when they still rip him when he's already got one foot out the door...if it's REALLY about football, then you should be grinning that you got the upgrade you so desperately wanted.

You got what you wanted. Time to move on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that either, but bottom line is Shanny didn't have much confidence in JC as his starter. And there was also the strong possibility that a QB was going to get drafted in the first 2 rounds before the McNabb deal. So how do you explain that away?

And thank you, mama always said I was special!

Posted by: ga8085

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I freely admit Shanahan didn't have the much confidence in Campbell as his long-term starter.

I think Shanahan had a lot of faith in Campbell as a one-year holdover. I also believe Shanahan thought Campbell could be a good starter, but wasn't proven enough to commit to long-term. And his idea to bring in a rookie and "raise" him stemmed from that.

Either way, it's done. McNabb is the starter, which is great. If Campbell can fetch value in a trade, even better. If not, then we'll have arguably the best back-up QB in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I mean, he's good as gone and you're still crying about what he's done, what he hasn't done, what he can't do... what the fu_k do you want from the guy?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I believe he wants Campbell to give him a personal apology. Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 9, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I don't care where a 2nd string QB who is likely to be traded spends his time training."

If Okung is gone, I'd combine J Campbell to OUR 4TH, send both to buff, and get their 2nd and their 4th rounder.

They take whomover, I take a tackle, and whomever in round 4.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh GTFOH, 4th.

Right, because the fact that it's Orakpo it's a b*tch move.

LOL... had that been Cushing you would've been co-signing the prospect LB's actions.

Is Orakpo like your gridiron antagonist or something, dude?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 12:02 PM

See what happens when you too quick to catch me in a 'gotcha' moment??

The post had nothing to do with Orakpo. If you read above in my further explaination, you see I included the Portis example as well....

Stay Classy Red.....

Bama Foe Liiiife!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 9, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

JC haters sure do make it look personal when they still rip him when he's already got one foot out the door...if it's REALLY about football, then you should be grinning that you got the upgrade you so desperately wanted.

You got what you wanted. Time to move on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 12:03 PM

Yep... that's all out the water now.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I don't care where a 2nd string QB who is likely to be traded spends his time training."

If Okung is gone, I'd combine J Campbell to OUR 4TH, send both to buff, and get their 2nd and their 4th rounder.

They take whomover, I take a tackle, and whomever in round 4.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good to me!

Posted by: VegasJim | April 9, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope JC signs, his value might not be apparent right now but it will become clearer going forward. And while it's unlikely, it'd be great to have JC on the roster regardless.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

From what I remember, as much as everyone loves to gas up this defense, I remember them being UNABLE to get stops when it mattered the most for the last three years."

Posted by: RedDMV

The defense was only average last year in points allowed and yards allowed. But, they were LAST in the NFL in takeaways. If they were average in takeaways, the team would have been .500 last year even with all the offensive injuries. And yes, JC actually brought them back several times over the last 2 years only to have the defense give up game winning drives. Then people get upset with JC when he can't win it twice.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 9, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Bingo! And what was infuriating was all the high draft picks and big money $$ free agents that went to the defense in the offseason (Orakpo, DeAngelo, Haynesworth, Jarmon).... I thought the defense actually regressed in some ways last year.
The offense was completely neglected (especially the O-line), so this team was clearly built to be a defensive team last year. Recall the first 4 picks:
Round One- 13th overall Brian Orakpo DE Texas
Round Three- 80th overall Kevin Barnes CB Maryland
Round Five- 158th overall Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
Round Six- 186th overall Robert Henson LB TCU
Again, no picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds this year barring a trade.
Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2010 11:53 AM |


I’m in line with the folks who think that Blache did a horrible job managing the defense. He ran the same bs soft schemes which as Red said bend and broke, while looking very good statistically on paper. They were very very good in short yardage downs, but that’s an easy scheme to run on 3rd and 1…..I think they only had games where they looked good mainly due to the actual talent they had, and mainly because haynesworth elevated the play of the dline. I have never been a Haslett fan and think he makes a terrible head coach, but he is definitely more aggressive than blache was, and can hopefully get his guys more fired up. The coaches last year just didn’t get anyone fired up through the week, or right before the game. Hopefully that all changes this year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 9, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

the neglect to the entire offence in the draft has been a joke.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds good to me!"

Posted by: VegasJim

The draft is allegedly stocked with tackle prospects, so a 2nd rounder might be as good as a 1st, and out of two 4th rounders, you might find another right tackle type gem.

Again: I think the skins will come out of the draft with two linemen, and that Campbell's trade will facilitate the move in some way.

You can't be more specific than that, homie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yep, that kid prospect definitely shoulda stepped to Orakpo over a seat in the film room. What a punk-ass loser for just sliding over and giving up the seat without a fight! Definitely not LB material.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, are we still debating JC? Dude has one foot, leg, arm and half his abdomen out the door. All that's left is to wave goodbye.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse


I hope JC signs, his value might not be apparent right now but it will become clearer going forward. And while it's unlikely, it'd be great to have JC on the roster regardless.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 9, 2010 12:11 PM

J Cowbell signing the tenderloin could still just be the prelude for a trade... don't put too much stock in what it does (or doesn't) mean

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Trade JC, then some part of McNabb's 33-year old body gives out catastrophically, and our 2010 starting QB is .... King Big Man (i.e. Rex Gross, Man). Cue another laugher of an offensive (truly offensive) season.

KBM can't run a bath, let alone a scoring drive. If they need a QB who "knows the system" we'd be better off having Shanahan's kid suit up.

Posted by: ArchieTambo | April 9, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

blaming campbell for being mediocre and the biggest problem of wash is not only idiotic it is also a lie. I don't blame any of the players on the team that have been brought here for the last ten year,the so-called management made this long running mess. Stop the lying bozo and go to the real source of the problems this is the most dumbest, foolish franchise in the league even more dumber than the raiders, al davis is just too old and should have stepped down 10yrs ago but at least in his 1st 10yrs with the raiders he made many play-off and super bowl runs..have the amoeba size brain leaders of this team namely snyder and his side kick/not sure if he is a ex-side kick)do they have the same resume after 10yrs? anyone that thinks mcnabb is a vocal leader really don't know him, he is NOT a vocal leader he is a leader by example and he is older and slower now(still has mobility but has taken alot of hits) throws alot of low passes(foot-work) and misses games because of injuries he is not as aloof as campbell(he is a country-southern person)mcnabb from big city,chicago and is not some kind of rah-rah guy that some here expect,he says funny and crazy stuff with team and media but does not scream and jump up and down at other players but will wave a player especially a young wr's off the field if he does not know where he should be.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 9, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Trade JC, then some part of McNabb's 33-year old body gives out catastrophically, and our 2010 starting QB is .... King Big Man (i.e. Rex Gross, Man). Cue another laugher of an offensive (truly offensive) season.

KBM can't run a bath, let alone a scoring drive. If they need a QB who "knows the system" we'd be better off having Shanahan's kid suit up.

Posted by: ArchieTambo | April 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoever asked Moats that question should be fired . What an ass. Is that really the kind of people we need interviewing potential players? You couldn't come up with something better?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Whoever asked Moats that question should be fired . What an ass. Is that really the kind of people we need interviewing potential players? You couldn't come up with something better?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Not claiming I know who asked the question. But lets keep in mind, we still are using Vinny's scouting team.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's too far fetched to think that JC could end up in Baltimore. Zorn ended up there. Not sure what kind of relationship they had, but it's not like Baltimore has any quality QBs on the roster!

Ravens don't have many picks this year, but not unreasonable to think they could give up the #57, or maybe both 5th round picks (156 & 157). Skins could use those picks to shore up the O-line.

Posted by: haywoodj | April 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"I’m in line with the folks who think that Blache did a horrible job managing the defense. He ran the same bs soft schemes which as Red said bend and broke, while looking very good statistically on paper. They were very very good in short yardage downs, but that’s an easy scheme to run on 3rd and 1…..I think they only had games where they looked good mainly due to the actual talent they had, and mainly because haynesworth elevated the play of the dline. I have never been a Haslett fan and think he makes a terrible head coach, but he is definitely more aggressive than blache was, and can hopefully get his guys more fired up. The coaches last year just didn’t get anyone fired up through the week, or right before the game. Hopefully that all changes this year.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 9, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So the question is how much better will coaching make the defense?

We have peeps on here that think Rogers is an awful CB.

Other peeps think Hall is an awful CB.

Even more think Landry is a flat out bust.

A number of them view Haynesworth as a fat, worthless POS.

A portion think London Fletcher won't cut it in a 3-4.

We even have peeps on here insinuating Orakpo was a weak draft pick.

In fact, the only consensus around here seems to be that the defense isn't good enough.


But, in my opinion, that couldn't be further from the truth. I think this defense, as currently constructed, could be elite with proper coaching. In fact, it was damn near there just 2 and 3 seasons ago.

Leave the defense be. At most, late round depth is all that's needed. The draft needs to be concentrated on the offense. Even if the defense falls short of becoming elite, an improved offense will vastly improve this team from what we've seen recently.

Posted by: psps23 | April 9, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Justice Stevens to Retire After 34 Years"


I say put Jim Zorn on the bench to replace him.

Obama will do it because he wants to be right and true.

I can see it now:

Two aggreived parties step up before the Supreme Court with equally compelling cases regarding some serious moral issue.

Justice Zorn is asked to deliver his thoughts.

He removes his headset, and says:

"Well, gosh, oh, I got it, I know what to say in a tough situation..."

He pauses and shouts:

"Bingo!!!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

psp- the thing is if we move to a 3-4... and then trade haynesworth... our D really is not set. In a 4-3 front with Haynesworth and a more aggressive Dcoordinator we should be alright, but who knows what happens if we switch and get rid of BFA...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 9, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep hooray *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 9, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I mean, he's good as gone and you're still crying about what he's done, what he hasn't done, what he can't do... what the fu_k do you want from the guy?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 11:50 AM
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whoa... change your handle to RedPMS..whose crying?? you sound like a jilted mancrusher....

My posting was based on the speculation of JC signing the Tender this Monday which means he is not "good as gone" until traded.., In fact he will be under Contract for about 3 Mil.
Guess you didnt read the today's column..while you were busy clipping and pasting something from 2 weeks ago when JC was not near signing the Tender Offer and Shanny rightfully excused him from the Voluntary workouts.
That is what I was referring to.. In fact, I posted while under under Contract, JC will more likely show up to the voluntaries versus AH who is also in trade discussions.

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I believe he wants Campbell to give him a personal apology. Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 9, 2010 12:05 PM
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apology would be nice.. Or, maybe a refund from Snyder for my fedex tix the past 2 years would be a good start.
JC was a square peg being pushed into a round hole for 2 years if we are to believe there was any WCO potential with Zorn.....

McNabb will be the first time in a long time that the Redskins QB fits the Offensive scheme.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

4th, I don't feel like copying and pasting, but I know that your first two post had no mention of Portis.

You copied and pasted the PFT on the dude Moats and the question he was asked and then followed that up with a comment suggesting that "we don't need guys like that (Moats) on the team".

You were busted. Don't even lie, cuz.

You're like that older brother who adds "rules" to the game after he's already taken his 'L' from his little brother -- "No I said 'win by three'" or "No, I said 'we're playing to 21'".

All I was saying that because Moats appeared to back down against the Orakpo you're calling it a b*tch move, and had it been Cushing you would've vouched for Moats' actions.

Maybe the 'skins can trade Haynesworth and Orakpo for Cushing, a 2nd, and a 4th. You'd probably piss and sh*t yourself at the same time from all that excitement.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 9, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse


McNabb sucks. Time and again, he can't win the big game.

Posted by: hessone | April 9, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Not like he didn't have the supporting cast to go all the way in Philly. Seriously.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 9, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

We'd be in great shape if Campbell stayed. McNabb is not a lock to make it 16 games, Campbell can learn a lot from him, and when he gets his chance, he'll have a lot to prove.

I'm hoping he stays.

I understand other teams waiting for the Redskins' leverage to expire, but teams like San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay have GOT to be looking at Campbell. He hasn't been great, but considering what he had around him, he did a lot better than their QBs did.

As far as McNabb goes, look at the highlights of Philly's last game and you'll see the loss wasn't on his shoulders. The Defense couldn't stop the run. At all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X1hm5YAeb0&NR=1

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 9, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL’S AGENTS STILL SEARCHING FOR RIGHT SITUATION

While agent for former Washington Redskins starting quarterback Jason Campbell continues to search around the league for a team willing to sign his client, the consensus of opinion from the other teams appears to be a resounding “no, thank you.”

While most league insiders seem to regard Campbell as a “nice guy,” they also say the quarterback is living proof of the old maxim about nice guys -- in that he consistently finishes last.

According to Campbell’s agent, most teams are simply not interested in a quarterback who cites experience playing dodge ball with his former head coach Jim Zorn as one of his key skills and attributes. Likewise, the other teams around the league appear to be underwhelmed with a quarterback who says he regularly goes bowling with his tight ends, or tries to make basketball trick shots in games of H-O-R-S-E with his wide receivers.

Rather, most other teams appear to be looking for a quarterback who can show a proven ability to lead his team, make clutch throws when the game is on the line, and win football games. Unfortunately, Campbell’s resume cannot truthfully cite any of this.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, I've said this before: comedy is not your thing. Way to kill this thread with your unfunny attempt at humor.

Also, is there anyone who plays for a professional team in the Washington DC area that you don't want fired? That's all you ever do on these blogs is call for people to be booted off the team. You have some serious issues dude.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 9, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

responding to bostskin --

My secret informants tell me that the Danny has bought the Chunky Soup line and that Donovan's Mom will get a Redskins front-office position as Team Mom and Lunch Lady.

Posted by: FanaticalReader | April 9, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

response to joeboggs --

Skins certainly do owe JC17 something -- three years in the near-prime of his career playing in one offensive system, behind a credible offensive line. owe it, but can never compensate him for it.

Posted by: FanaticalReader | April 9, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Did everyone see quotes in today's paper from Cooley, kelly, and so on about what a great teammate, leader, and passer Mellow ellow is? not even a courtesy mention of the guy they'd been praising as a tough player who hasn't been given a proper opportunity. Can you say, "Jason Who?"?

Posted by: FanaticalReader | April 9, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If JC17 shows up and practice with the WRs and Donovan.. whats the downside..(besides a bruised ego)?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

my answer is, the ever-present risk of severe injury.

Posted by: FanaticalReader | April 9, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"And if you are going to bang Giant/db wives, please select current players for max payback

Posted by: ElYeah | April 9, 2010 10:01 AM"

No thanks.

If the category is; Brides of EX-NY Football Giants...I'll take Mrs. Jason Seahorn (a.k.a. Angie Harmon) for $5,000, Alex.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | April 9, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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