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Jason Campbell may take more time to evaluate situation, sources say

Although the Redskins expect quarterback Jason Campbell to sign his tender offer as early as today, the quarterback now might take some more time while continuing to evaluate his difficult situation, two people familiar with the process said late Sunday night.

The Redskins last week made preparations for Campbell to sign the one-year, $3.14-million contract, the sources said, and Campbell intended to do so. But Campbell actually has until Thursday to sign the tender, which is the last day restricted free agents can sign offer sheets with other teams.

Coach Mike Shanahan granted permission for Campbell's agent, Joel Segal, to continue to seek trades after the deadline to sign Campbell, whom Shanahan has said the team has no plans to release. From a lot of email I've received from Insider readers, it seems the public perception is the Redskins have been good to Campbell in permitting him to search for better situations.

But at this late stage of the offseason (the Redskins' first voluntary minicamp is scheduled to start Friday), there isn't much of a market for Campbell, who received a first-round tender. Had the Redskins released Campbell on the eve of free agency, without attaching first-round compensation to him, he probably would have received much more in guaranteed money than the non-guaranteed $3.14 million from the Redskins.

And even after Thursday, the Redskins will want some compensation to trade Campbell. Shanahan made it clear he would prefer to have Campbell on the roster as a backup for new starter Donovan McNabb, reiterating the team has no interest in releasing Campbell.

It's highly probable Shanahan knew he wanted a new starting quarterback even before he officially took control of the football operation. Campbell would have been an unrestricted free agent if a new collective bargaining agreement was in place, but he is restricted under the terms of an uncapped season.

Campbell is among many players who potentially lost money because of the labor situation. Of course, the Redskins are only using the rules available to them to strengthen their position as much as possible, and business is business.

If Campbell is still on the roster when training camp begins, he would compete with Rex Grossman to be McNabb's primary backup. Under the collective bargaining agreement, Campbell's salary would be guaranteed if he is on the opening 53-man roster. The Redskins would not owe Campbell anything if they cut him before the season. If he were released during the season, he would be eligible to collect termination pay.

It would seem Campbell might be traded during the draft (April 22-24), which is when a lot of things are expected to heat up. But Campbell still has time to decide whether to sign the tender. With everything he has experienced since joining the Redskins, who could blame him for taking a little more time to think things through.

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By Jason Reid  |  April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb , Free agency , Jason Campbell , Jason Reid  | Tags: Donovan McNabb, Jason Campbell, Mike Shanahan, Rex Grossman, Washington Redskins  
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probably not last.

Posted by: TheLandshark | April 12, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

anyone else notice what Donovan is getting paid in year 1 with the Skins? The only report I saw was $6+mil in roster bonus $11+mil for the season -- about $17.5mil. For one season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2010 2:54 AM |

It's 11mil total for the year which is what he would have been paid in Philly.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 12, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

And even after Thursday, the Redskins will want some compensation to trade Campbell. Shanahan made it clear [PUT IN LINK FROM MY POST AFTER MCNABB PRESSER] he would prefer to have Campbell on the roster as a backup for new starter Donovan McNabb, reiterating the team has no interest in releasing Campbell.

By Jason Reid | April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET


Hahahahaha! Way to edit your stuff, Reid! LOL!

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

With everything he has experienced since joining the Redskins, who could blame him for taking a little more time to think things through.

By Jason Reid | April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET

Right. Slow to find a receiver, slow to make up his mind about the tender. He's only had the tender since the start of free agency and he still needs a little more time to think about it?

Who else is going to pay him $3.1 million to be a back up?

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

Who else is going to pay him $3.1 million to be a back up?

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 7:02 AM


You'd be surprised...especially in an uncapped year. I mean, if Jake Delhomme can reel in $7 million...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

"Jason Campbell may take more time to evaluate situation, sources say...."

If I'm Jason Campbell, I eat my bowl of Wheaties one morning, and think, "Pride goeth before a downfall."

I sign my tender, try to remain a redskin, figuring beating our R Grossman is all I have to do.

And if the team doesn't rade me, and I do indeed beat out Grossman, I do my best when or if McNabb can't play.

I think, "Maybe somebody sees me excell in an improved situation and decides I'm much better than what I appear to be in youtube video."

"So, I'll swallow my pride, sign my tender, play behind McNabb, and show no shame in my game."

"But first, I'd better eat my Wheaties..."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking [PUT IN SOME IRONIC LINE THAT IS VAGUELY RELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC]. Also, I'm thinking about another cup of coffee.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Wait, I thought 'business' was a calzone. (PUT IN LINK TO 'THAT' WEBSITE. YOU KNOW THE ONE).

Posted by: ECSkins | April 12, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL’S AGENTS STILL SEARCHING FOR RIGHT SITUATION

While agent for former Washington Redskins starting quarterback Jason Campbell continues to search around the league for a team willing to sign his client, the consensus of opinion from the other teams appears to be a resounding “no, thank you.”

Rather, most other teams appear to be looking for a quarterback with a proven ability to lead his team, make clutch throws when the game is on the line, and win football games. Unfortunately for Redskin fans, Campbell’s resume cannot truthfully cite any of this.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 12, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Moe, JC has been doing a lot of "sucking it up" during his tenure here, and while your scenario is no doubt what's best for his career at this point in time, surely you can recognize just how difficult that is. I mean, I don't know about you, but if I worked hard on my job and all my employer ever did was try to replace me at every turn it would be pretty hard to walk into that building every day and give these same people my 100% effort.

We can talk about what these guys make and what not, but at the end of the day they're still human.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Before we got McNabb I was really positive about what JC might have done under Shanny, with a better O line. After throwing for 20 tds and 3600 yrds, I thought that had to go up in 2010. But having a QB that can lead you on that 4th quarter drive for the game winning FG is priceless. JC has had that chance many times and never came through. So as much as I was a proponent of him being our starter, we got somebody better and more proven. I hope he can get on with another team, more importantly, I hope we get a little compensation for him.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 12, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"Had the Redskins released Campbell on the eve of free agency, without attaching first-round compensation to him, he probably would have received much more in guaranteed money than the non-guaranteed $3.14 million from the Redskins."

By Jason Reid  |  April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET

Source? Name a team that was willing to sign him at the outset of free agency. There are several prominent free agents with better resumes than JC still twisting in the wind this offseason. If JC had any market, we'd know it. Few coaches want to take on a guy who's still a project after 5 years. He's what they call a coach killer -- a QB that forced Gibbs to give up playcalling then retire, got Zorn canned (thank you JC), made Todd Collins look like a starter, nearly doomed the careers of several young, talented WR's, fumbled or threw picks on gamewinning drives on a regular basis... but I digress. The League has spoken. There very little market for JC. You can blame the CBA, blame the tender, etc., but it comes down to talent, and JC's lack thereof.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 12, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

If he accepts being a back up and swallow his pride then he will benefit more then going to some broke down team just to call himself a starter. Then he can really wear the #17 jersey proudly its the same situation as doug williams year ago. Just be the best back up ever JC!!!!

Posted by: hammer4 | April 12, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"Had the Redskins released Campbell on the eve of free agency, without attaching first-round compensation to him, he probably would have received much more in guaranteed money than the non-guaranteed $3.14 million from the Redskins."

By Jason Reid | April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET

And why would they do that without another starting QB on the roster?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Peter King's take this morning on the first four picks in the draft:


5. I think the one thing most of us can agree on is Bradford one, Ndamukong Suh two, to the Lions, and Gerald McCoy three, to Tampa Bay.

6. I think I believe Mike Shanahan is serious when he says he might take a quarterback very high. I don't see how he could get the quarterback he wants, Bradford -- he'd have to denude this draft and next year's to do so -- but he's sniffing around Tim Tebow an awful lot. Private workout in Gainesville, long visit in Virginia. The 'Skins are spending an awful lot of time on quarterbacks for a team that just traded for one who should play four more years.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

brown

"We can talk about what these guys make and what not, but at the end of the day they're still human."

I'm still believe J Campbell will be traded on draft day.

I also believe that if he is not, his best optionis to remain a loyal redskin, and do the best to bide his time behind McNabb.

He has indeed eaten a lot of sh!t.

And the fact that he has a history of doing it is why I think he's not going anywhere--he's too used to the treatment he gets from the skins, and 3.1 mil is nice recompense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

flound, how'd the tourney go?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

LS, I'm not sure where King is going with that...no chance we're taking Tebow at #4 so the only way we get him is if he's on the board in the 4th round. We're taking Okung and anything after that is gravy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

LS, I'm not sure where King is going with that...no chance we're taking Tebow at #4 so the only way we get him is if he's on the board in the 4th round. We're taking Okung and anything after that is gravy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:19 AM

I've heard that sometimes teams do this thing called "trading down." And there are even teams that trade a pick out of next year's draft for a pick in this year's draft.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree with brown, Russell okung will most likely be our ony great pickup this draft, which I am actually okay with.

Why can't we just wait til next year's draft or later to draft a new qb? McNabb's got a few years left in the tank.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

QB's for 2010:

McNABB
CAMPBELL
GROSSMAN

O-LINE

OKUNG? #4 draft pick
OLDENBURG?
DOCKERY
RABACH
EDWIN WILLIAMS
HICKS
MONTGOMERY?
RINEHART?
LICHTENSTEIGER?
HEYER
ROBINSON?

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"We're taking Okung and anything after that is gravy."



We could trade down with the bills or some other top 10 team, and take T Williams, especially if the lions use common damn sense and snag Okung.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"Shanahan made it clear he would prefer to have Campbell on the roster as a backup for new starter Donovan McNabb, reiterating the team has no interest in releasing Campbell."

I doubt he wants Campbell on the roster at all, especially with Grossman already signed. But he also wants some compensation for him, and knows that Campbell's value can only increase as QBs go down in camp and preseason.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

TEBOW the divine? He will be fine.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 12, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Draft day is usually not a very good time to trade a veteran QB, as teams are thinking about the future, not the present. You want to trade your QB when demand is highest, and that's later in preseason, or during the season when somebody gets hurt.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 12, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to Phil - that was a ballsy performance. Except for that one missed eagle putt, he hit every clutch shot when it counted.

10 days to the draft... starting to get excited.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 12, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

flound, how'd the tourney go?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:17 AM |

It was a very tough tournament we played some of the best teams in the state, but we played hard.

We finished 1-4 but the experience will help us as we move on with are schedule.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 12, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"Jets Acquire Holmes for 5th-Round Pick"


Wow!: Nothing like loyalty from the franchise.

One minute Santonio Holmes wins you a Super Bowl, the next, he's a worth fifth round draft pick.

I quess the stillers feel ARE can step in where Holmes did not.

Stop laughing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

nice flound, sometimes a challenge like that is good for kids...congrats.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Just,thinking out loud! What if ALBERT, was too video his daily workout program for the coach (SHANNY), WOULD THAT HELP THE SITUATION AT HAND?????????

Posted by: bigboy445 | April 12, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

nice flound, sometimes a challenge like that is good for kids...congrats.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:48 AM |

Thanks,

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 12, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

We could trade down with the bills or some other top 10 team, and take T Williams, especially if the lions use common damn sense and snag Okung.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 8:40 AM


I don't get why so many here feel that they are so much better off with Okung than Suh...I mean, Suh is widely considered the best player available in this draft. Taking him over Okung isn't just possible, it's likely.

We all know how good Okung is because we've been eyeing him up for the Skins for months. I'm sure the Lions know he's good, but when you have as many holes as that team does and draft as high as they do, you can't afford to lock in on one position...you go into the draft taking the best player you possibly can. Suh is that guy.

Plus in the deepest draft at OT in recent memory, you can get your starting LT in the 2nd round. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept to grasp...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

moe, hopefully thats a wakeup to Ben...I think the Jets committed HIGHWAY ROBBERY with that trade. The Steelers were looking to save some face with this one, and just sold Holmes for pennies on the dollar.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"Jets Acquire Holmes for 5th-Round Pick"


Wow!: Nothing like loyalty from the franchise.

One minute Santonio Holmes wins you a Super Bowl, the next, he's a worth fifth round draft pick.

I quess the stillers feel ARE can step in where Holmes did not.

Stop laughing.

Posted by: MistaMoe


yeah Moe, Somehow I can't see ARE making that same catch in the corner of the end zone the way Holmes did. I'm just surprised they let him go for just a 5th rounder.

Jets are building a pretty good fantasy team this year.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 12, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

what you guys think? I say 33% chance Campbell stays and ends up backup to McNabb. If he stays I give him strong odds over Rex, if you have a starting QB with a history of injury then its probably good not to have your number 2 QB to also have that history like Rex does. Campbell has that one trait going for him, you could punch him in the head with a led pipe and he will probably get up. Dude has the ability to take punishment like the terminator.

For all this talk I don't see a draft day trade. If he does get traded it will probably be after the draft, teams won't give up picks, but I am willing to bet that end of the draft when Buffalo comes out and realizes that they have no starting QB they would be willing to give up a lineman or FS or even a LB for Campbell.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I've heard that sometimes teams do this thing called "trading down." And there are even teams that trade a pick out of next year's draft for a pick in this year's draft.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 8:31 AM


I wouldn't count on that...they need an elite prospect more than they need a handful of contributors, especially if Okung is the pick. I could see them trading out of that spot if Okung is off the board at #4, but they NEED to get that guy.

The only extra picks I see us getting are the ones acquired from trades. And even then, there's no guarantee those picks are for this year's draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

JC will get significant playing time if he stays.

McNabb was benched for performance in Philly 2 years ago just like Campbell was. He looked crappy back-to-back getting a serious pass rush againt the Cowpies at the end of last year just like Campbell. However, Campbell doesn't get injured very easily, and McNabb has missed a lot of time over the past few years. McNabb will not last long behind the O-line Shanahallen will be able to cobble together this offseason.

We'll be fortunate if we manage to keep Campbell around here.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

bean

"The Steelers were looking to save some face with this one, and just sold Holmes for pennies on the dollar."



Agreed.

Both the stillers and iggles are too cavalier with the talent they amass.

Holmes seemed to be Big Ben's go-to guy, and maybe they think ARE will fill-in to take his place.

Stop laughing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

how many grabs did Holmes have last year for them??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

he only extra picks I see us getting are the ones acquired from trades. And even then, there's no guarantee those picks are for this year's draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:57 AM

Then you'd agree we can't get an LT in the second round since we don't have a second round pick?

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

brown

"The only extra picks I see us getting are the ones acquired from trades. And even then, there's no guarantee those picks are for this year's draft."


In light of the stillers and iggles have done, select a redskin player we could afford to trade in order to acquire more picks.

Cooley?

Davis?

Landry?

Beyond those guys, I don't see a market for trading players to get picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

moe, hopefully thats a wakeup to Ben...I think the Jets committed HIGHWAY ROBBERY with that trade. The Steelers were looking to save some face with this one, and just sold Holmes for pennies on the dollar.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:53 AM


No doubt...the only way you get a deal like that is if you carry a gun and wear a ski mask. But I'll give the Steelers credit on this: word is Holmes was gonna leave next year as a FA because he wanted to get paid big money (we know the Steelers don't do that) and play in a big market. So instead of letting him go for nothing next year, they get a 5th round pick this year.

But still...getting a SB MVP in his prime for a 5th round pick? Unbelieveable.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

how many grabs did Holmes have last year for them??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:00 AM

79 catches, over 1200 yards.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

brown, makes it that much more of a steal for the jets....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

In light of the stillers and iggles have done, select a redskin player we could afford to trade in order to acquire more picks.

Cooley?

Davis?

Landry?

Beyond those guys, I don't see a market for trading players to get picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 9:01 AM


I think it's been pretty clear that at least Landry, Campbell, and Haynesworth are all on the block. We may or may not get picks in THIS draft for them, but I think we could score at least some mid-round picks for those guys.

Which could end up being decent players now that we have a legit FO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

6. I think I believe Mike Shanahan is serious when he says he might take a quarterback very high.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't think he's serious at all. This is just disinformation propagated by Shanny in the hope that some gullible GM will trade up to #4 and give the 'Skins some extra picks. Godspeed and all that, but there is ZERO chance the team takes a QB at 4.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 12, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"Jets are building a pretty good fantasy team this year."


They get L Washington back healthy, and have Edwards, Cotchery, and now Holmes as targets for M Snachez--who should be much more accurate next Fall.

You're right--on paper, they have a nice team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

You're right Greg...with that offensive line and now Dustin Keller, Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes to throw to, there's no excuse for Mark Sanchez not to be a Pro-Bowler next year. I don't see how the Jets aren't a front runner for the SB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Had the Redskins released Campbell on the eve of free agency, without attaching first-round compensation to him, he probably would have received much more in guaranteed money than the non-guaranteed $3.14 million from the Redskins.

By: JReid

============================================

Why would the Skins do that?? You gotta hold on to your assets until you get better ones.

Also, I see alot of RFAs being cut in Training Camp. If JC doesn't want to be one of them, He'll hopefully be at minicamp this weekend......McNabb prob already has a head start on the playbook since he is showing up. He needs to sign the RFA tendor because when you sign it doesn't matter.

All he is doing is giving Shanahan an excuse to 'Jake Plummer' him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe, there's word that Leon Washington was a part of the Santonio trade...but having Greene and LT in the backfield is still a great setup.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't count on that...they need an elite prospect more than they need a handful of contributors, especially if Okung is the pick. I could see them trading out of that spot if Okung is off the board at #4, but they NEED to get that guy.

The only extra picks I see us getting are the ones acquired from trades. And even then, there's no guarantee those picks are for this year's draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 8:57 AM |

I don't know. I could see them sliding back to #9 with a trade - swapping our pick for Buffalo's 1st and 2nd. That would be an awesome move. Not sure why Buffalo would do that, but it's Buffalo, so who knows?

If San Fran still has a stiffy for Eric Barry, they may venture there #13 pick and a second rounder plus some late rounder to grab him. Singletary loves him some D.

Gotta figure they won't just settle for one pick in the top 100. Or at least I hope they won't.

And with regards to elite prospects on the D line and Suh - we already have Haynesworth, so trading back could make sense if that truely is the choice. I don't see Suh and McCoy being 3-4 type DT's.

Posted by: edvar | April 12, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Who else is going to pay him $3.1 million to be a back up?

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 7:02 AM


You'd be surprised...especially in an uncapped year. I mean, if Jake Delhomme can reel in $7 million...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 7:09 AM

Yeah...but see what taking your team to a SB gets you?

The 2 can't even be compared.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

brown, makes it that much more of a steal for the jets....wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Two factors in the low compensation for Holmes. 1. He'll be suspended for four games. http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/12044884548 2. He's in the last year of his contract.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 12, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey Everybody,
I was thinking, which NFL team would be interested in getting JC?

And you know what? Just giving it a little bit of research, I realize there are several teams who would think JC an improvement to their 2nd QB currently on their roster.

New England Hoyer and Rowe
Pittsburgh Charlie Batch
Texans Booty
Bengals J T O'Sullivan
Colts Curtis Painter
Jaguars Luke McCown
Raiders All 3 QB stink
Chargers Billy Volek
NY Giants Sorgi and Bomar
Bears Basanez, Hanie
Packers Flynn, Pizzotti
Panthers 2 QB have little experience
Saints Chase Daniel
49ers David Carr

What do you think?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

This is why Campbell, is no longer the starting QB,,,,
"He needs more time to decide"

Posted by: dashriprock | April 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Cue the sympathy quartet for Campbell....gag me.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/EB21CD1FB9FB34B686257703000EA4B3?OpenDocument

Rams general manager Billy Devaney says he has learned this lesson the hard way at times over his career as an NFL personnel evaluator.

"I've come full circle," Devaney said. "If you don't have the intangibles to play that position. ..."

Well, it's probably not going to work.

Devaney was with the San Diego Chargers when they drafted Leaf — a colossal bust — No. 2 overall in 1998. And that experience helped change his thinking.

"To me, the physical skills are almost the easy part now (in evaluating) these kids," Devaney said. "There's so much that goes into being a quarterback in the NFL. The work ethic that you have to have. The leadership. The time that you put in. The media scrutiny. If you can't handle all that stuff, you're going to have a hard time performing on the field."

As they decide whether to take Sam Bradford, or perhaps trade down for Jimmy Clausen or Colt McCoy, the Rams are factoring lots of traits and characteristics into the evaluation process.

"The teams that have been successful lately, it seems to me they have those leadership-type guys," coach Steve Spagnuolo said. "Guys that can get the job done in a pinch. Certainly you want all the other things that go with (playing quarterback) — a guy that can throw the football, all the physical qualities. But leadership to me is really important at that position."

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(4th's note: The whole article is a great read. And after you read it, apply it to Campbell and McNAbb and now you see the difference. The same difference CP26 pointed out in a radio interview a few months ago that everyone, including Campbell reacted negatively to. Where is the leadership? Quiet leadership doesn't work for the QB.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...but see what taking your team to a SB gets you?

The 2 can't even be compared.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:18 AM


Actually I don't. Seems to me Trent Dilfer got sent packing from Baltimore and never had a quality starting gig after that. And he WON! And of course, we have two guys now (McNabb and Rex) who got traded in division for below market compensation and ranks no higher than 2nd an anyone's depth chart, respectively.

So no, I don't see what a SB appearance gets you.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I think this is one reason many people don't care for Campbell. He doesn't seem to have any sense. He's convinced of his own greatness, even though he hasn't accomplished anything.

Posted by: tkoho | April 12, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Also taken from above article and why everyone Tebow and WTF is this 'Clueless top prospect QB'?

THE MENTAL GAME

You can be the brightest quarterback around in terms of IQ, but if you don't see the field, recognize coverages, see receivers breaking open — and do it quickly — it's hard to be successful in the NFL.

"We all wonder about the Wonderlic test and so forth," NFL.com analyst Gil Brandt said. "But there's a lot of times you have smart players that don't have mental quickness."

Some of these traits are discernible on film. But teams also like to test a quarterback prospect by getting him in front of a greaseboard and having him talk X's and O's.

Brandt tells a story of one such meeting this year with Florida quarterback Tim Tebow and an NFL team. When the team asked him about a specific play, Tebow replied: "This is how it's called at Florida, this is how it's called with your organization, and this is how it's called with West Coast teams."

"When you get a quarterback and he reacts that quickly, you know that the guy not only is pretty smart but he has that mental quickness to adjust very fast," said Brandt, the former Dallas Cowboys personnel guru.

Apparently, not all the quarterbacks in this year's draft pool have handled their greaseboard sessions as well as Tebow.

"If he can't explain the thing, and corrects himself — and corrects himself in the middle of it — then how can he handle the volume of what we're going to throw at him in the NFL?" said a veteran QB coach, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

According to this coach, that's what happened with a quarterback prospect during the pre-draft process for his NFL team. "And that kid happened to be one of the most talented guys in the draft," the coach said. "If I'm on that team, and he can't say that play in the huddle, can I follow this guy?"

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

2 things:

1st: I'm still not sold on the McNabb trade, especially since everyone was similarly high when Brunell was brought in here. They were the same age, supposedly had similar upside, and the talk was that a change would do them good. Well, it turned out that Brunell didn't have anything left in the tank. Will McNabb continue his downward slide that he showed at the end of last season? Stay tuned.

2nd: I have a HUGE new found respect for the Pittsburgh Steelers. They show that values and integrity mean more than "sticking with a player". I'm glad they got rid of their troubled child. You know what? They won't miss a beat, their fans will be even more united behind the team, and they'll be in the mix again this year. $nyder would be the type of GM that would actually take Holmes from the Steelers, and pay more than the Jets did for him. Luckilly, Shan-allen must have sent him out for ice cream when this deal went down.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 12, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Holmes looks lie a steal for Jets on paper, but he is one toke away from a year suspension and and already looking at 4 games this season. Also Steelers have low tolerance for tomfoolery (unless you are a QB...that hypocrisy story is only going to grow) and won two SBs after they jettisoned Plex....so they are OK with the lopsided trade I bet.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

RedskinRay1 I think the better question is which team would give JC a shot at the starter position this late in the offseason, and I don't think any team will at this point except the Raiders or Buffalo. The best spot for him would be Carolina as a backup, then Buffalo in camp competition, then the Raiders in a camp competition.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I think this is one reason many people don't care for Campbell. He doesn't seem to have any sense. He's convinced of his own greatness, even though he hasn't accomplished anything.

Posted by: tkoho | April 12, 2010 9:29 AM


Insert "Rogers" for "Campbell", and you'd have a point...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

They show that values and integrity mean more than "sticking with a player". I'm glad they got rid of their troubled child

Ben Rothlesberger say's hello.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow the Jets are the new Bengals....I am confident fat Rex Ryan could have managed, but post stomach stapled skinny Rex....well it will be fun to watch...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry:

One could say that it's a racial thing with them sticking by Big Ben and jettisoning Burress and Holmes. I think, and this is my personal opinion, that they feel that receivers are easier to replace than QBs, and this makes them look good in the public's eye. I think it's a good move that they got rid of him.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

@BW - Dilfer and Sexy Rexy was just along for the ride. Delhomme actually drove the offense for a solid 4 years in the mid 2000s.......

Their stats don't compare....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

moe, hopefully thats a wakeup to Ben...I think the Jets committed HIGHWAY ROBBERY with that trade. The Steelers were looking to save some face with this one, and just sold Holmes for pennies on the dollar.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


Holmes is going to be suspended for the first 4 games of the season for substances, and the Steelers knew that.

It would explain the relatively cheap price tag for an ex-Superbowl MVP who caught about 80 balls for 1300 yards last year. But I bet they liked what they saw in Mike Wallace and figured he was expendable.

This is also the Steelers was of making a statement about Ben Roethlisberger. Yup, you read that correctly. This is also about punishing Ben Roethlisberger, except that since Big Ben is football royalty, they don't actually punish him, instead they finding the old "whipping boy" to get out of town.

Kind of like the way Goodell "punished" Belicheat for cheating by taking away a team's draft pick instead of suspending him directly for a time.

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article on Haynesworth - that paints a totally different picture than the WaPo reports...

http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Greg - ever been to the Liberty Hotel? Spent a couple days there last week for a conference. That place is awesome.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 12, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

1st: I'm still not sold on the McNabb trade, especially since everyone was similarly high when Brunell was brought in here. They were the same age, supposedly had similar upside, and the talk was that a change would do them good. Well, it turned out that Brunell didn't have anything left in the tank. Will McNabb continue his downward slide that he showed at the end of last season? Stay tuned.

2nd: I have a HUGE new found respect for the Pittsburgh Steelers. They show that values and integrity mean more than "sticking with a player". I'm glad they got rid of their troubled child. You know what? They won't miss a beat, their fans will be even more united behind the team, and they'll be in the mix again this year. $nyder would be the type of GM that would actually take Holmes from the Steelers, and pay more than the Jets did for him. Luckilly, Shan-allen must have sent him out for ice cream when this deal went down.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 12, 2010 9:31 AM


1. I'm not sure what you remember from 2004, but I remember giving up a 3rd round pick for a guy that was clearly on the downside of his career after an arm injury and lost his starting gig to Byron Leftwich. McNabb was never that...he was the unquestioned starter in Philly and made the Pro-Bowl. There's no reason to believe that DMac is anything other than at the top of his game.

2. I'd have more respect for the Steelers if they were this universally outraged for EVERY player that steps outside of the law. They looked the other way when James Harrison had a domestic abuse situation a couple years ago and I doubt they take such a tough stance on Big Ben. They've got a rep for taking a hard line for expendable players and burying their heads in the sand for their Pro-Bowlers.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Had the Redskins released Campbell on the eve of free agency, without attaching first-round compensation to him, he probably would have received much more in guaranteed money than the non-guaranteed $3.14 million from the Redskins."

By Jason Reid | April 12, 2010; 6:25 AM ET

And why would they do that without another starting QB on the roster?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. This is one of JR's weaker posts. They released Collins, because they knew he was not in their plans. But at the beginning of FA, they didn't know if Sexy Rexy would sign with them, and they certainly didn't know they would be able to trade for DMN.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 12, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Nobody wants Campbell?? Gee no kidding. Charlie Whitehurst was much more in demand to give you how bad the rest of the league views Campbell.. The Raiders prefer to go with 300 lbs Russell than get Campbell!!! It would be a crime to pay Campbell 3 million dollars this year.. that's nothing short of ROBBERY!! Yeah hope some team is dumb enough to sign him.. but if not.. just dump him!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This is why Campbell, is no longer the starting QB,,,,
"He needs more time to decide"

Posted by: dashriprock | April 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Ha ha! Too true.

Campbell is staring down tender contract with the pen in his hand...clutching...patting the pen...clutching...patting the pen...clutching...

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

2nd: I have a HUGE new found respect for the Pittsburgh Steelers. They show that values and integrity mean more than "sticking with a player". I'm glad they got rid of their troubled child. You know what? They won't miss a beat, their fans will be even more united behind the team, and they'll be in the mix again this year. $nyder would be the type of GM that would actually take Holmes from the Steelers, and pay more than the Jets did for him. Luckilly, Shan-allen must have sent him out for ice cream when this deal went down.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 12, 2010 9:31 AM

Roethlisberger's status in Steelers' double-standard approach still isn't clear
Posted by Mike Florio on March 23, 2010 1:36 PM ET
Though they remain one of the top organizations in all of sports, the Pittsburgh Steelers display from time to time a trait common to every level of every form of athletics.

When great players do something wrong, excuses get made. When it's a guy who doesn't add much to the bottom line, he gets a shoe in the hind quarters.

The best example? Linebacker James Harrison and receiver Cedrick Wilson both engaged in alleged domestic violence. An excuse was made for Harrison; a path out of the building was made for Wilson.

More recently, the Steelers have looked the other way in the face of two off-field incidents by kicker Jeff Reed, whose reward for beating up a paper towel machine and being drunk in public (allegedly) was the franchise tag and the top-five guaranteed salary that goes along with it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

ryp, no, where is it??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"Although the Redskins expect quarterback Jason Campbell to sign his tender offer as early as today, the quarterback now might take some more time while continuing to evaluate his difficult situation"


Difficult situation???

The Skins are going to hand him a check for $3+ mill to stand on the sideline after leading us to 4 lousy wins last year.

If only my life could be filled with "difficult situations" such as these...

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I really don't know why people think Trent Williams is just as good as Russell Okung. Everyone here realizes that he played for Oklahoma, correct? He is the tackle that let Sam Bradford get injured not once, but TWICE in one season. If he can't protect his QB in college, why would he be able to do so in the NFL?

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 12, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think this is one reason many people don't care for Campbell. He doesn't seem to have any sense. He's convinced of his own greatness, even though he hasn't accomplished anything.

Posted by: tkoho

HUH??? Bizarre comment. Jason Campbell is the most humble guy on the planet.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow the Jets are the new Bengals....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


...Except for the whole "winning" thing

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

From Lisa's Article (Respect to Lisa):

“When I started saying that stuff, back in the early hours of the first day free agency, they were saying ‘We’re going to do this, were going to be just like the Titans. We just want to let you lose, just dominate, you know, just go.’ Well, we get to the season and it’s just like he basically wasn’t doing that. When you put me in a structured defense, where I just have to sit there the whole time getting double and triple teamed, it made it very hard for me to succeed. I thought you were going to be creative and move me around. They didn’t really do that so that’s why my frustrations came out towards the end of the season. I talked to Jim Haslett and he plans on using me like they did with the Titans. He’s talked to a couple of Titans coaches and former Titans coaches and that’s what he said he’s planning on doing. Just kind of letting me loose and letting me play the game.”

Of course, with new coordinators come new changes in how the game is played and Haslett is no different. The type of defense Haslett employs is a 3-4 defense, a defense Haynesworth is not familiar with at all, yet he is open to it looks forward to playing it.

“At first I was a little iffy to it because I’ve never played in the 3-4. I don’t have a clue to how it’s really played. But then I talked to him a little bit and he plans on just playing me in the middle a little bit and at end. I guess I’ll just move around and just wreak havoc; so as long as we’re doing that and I’m not just at one position, I’m fine, I’m fine with it.”
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What say You WaPo??

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

ddrcoaster are you sure about it being William's man who hit Bradford? Also remember that William's offers more versatility than Okung, and he's more athletic. So if the Skin's were to put the board together on players who best fit their scheme, I could see how William's would be ranked higher.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Randy H,

Good take on that, prolly can't disagree. "Values" to the point you think you can maintain without hurting your team...

I still think NFL/Steelers are in for some sticky problemos regarding the Ben hypocrisy.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Campbell has that one trait going for him, you could punch him in the head with a led pipe and he will probably get up. Dude has the ability to take punishment like the terminator.
Posted by: alex35332
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And to think that one trait of his is not getting tons of offers??? Wow those other NFL teams must be looking for a QB who's best trait is throwing the football... crazy huh???

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

They show that values and integrity mean more than "sticking with a player". I'm glad they got rid of their troubled child

Ben Rothlesberger say's hello.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Plaxico gives a shout out from CB8..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What say You WaPo??

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Good pull 4th & Lisa

Wasn't WaPo the ones really pushing the story that AH was unhappy with the defensive scheme, and the trading him story?

I remember reading it other places, but I think they all cited the WaPo reports.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

NOBODY WANTS THAT BUM! JASON CAMPBELL ACTS LIKE HE REALLY IS GOOD OR SOMETHING! HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BACK UP! JOE GIBBS KNEW IT AND SO DOES MIKE MIKE!

Posted by: 50midgets | April 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Greg - Beacon Hill, right next to Mass General Hospital, almost on the river. It used to be a jail and it was converted in the 90s I believe. Great hotel and they have a pretty sweet bar/restaurant as well.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, that AH fluff piece is nice and all, but in my book actions speak louder than words. If he were as dedicated to his craft as he says he is, he wouldn't have to suck on oxygen as much as he did in '09 and there wouldn't be such a massive difference between his play in a contract year and his play in any other year. And of course, there's the whole "I'm not gonna be at Redskins Park more than I have to" thing.

So I've heard a lot of stuff to like about him. Still waiting to SEE it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, I'm pretty sure at least one of the times it was Williams's man, but I did not realize he was more versatile. Just from the highlights that I've seen, Okung looks like a brick wall that can't be passed so I thought he would be the best pickup for us. I'm up for anything though, as long as we win!

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 12, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Whitehurst was much more in demand to give you how bad the rest of the league views Campbell...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 9:42 AM


If by "the rest of the league" you mean "Seattle", then OK.

I mean, c'mon son...dip your comments in reality every once in a while...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

tebow? what pro would EVER consider following a guy who is supposedly a VIRGIN. wtf has he ever done that any sane football player would consider as an example of "leadership?" pray? that's hunky dory... 1930's college football thinking.

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 12, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought the sucking on oxygen was a good thing...it gave our defense breters...mini-timeouts....

Dude played in like 70% of the plays when the expectations' bar was set @ 60%....

Bottom Line?

We ain't trading HAynesworth, nor Campbell....And I am now adding Cooooley to the list.

CR22, Carter, MK12, Rocky, and LAndry? I think are all canidates.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, dude, sign the tender. After, remain medium, don't try to beat out anybody, be the No3 quarterback, let McNabb taste what you've tasted behind the O-Line, and when McNabb goes then, let Grossman take the beaten, and when he goes down, then request for a trade and act like Jay Cutler. Jason, being civil is not a culture to the Redskins, haven't you learned enough lesson? Just do enough to get on the roster as No 3 by simply beaten Colt for the third spot, then stay medium. That's all.

Posted by: abxinc | April 12, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

let it be known that after 3 years at 10:05 I believe that the first ever use of Hunky Dory occurred on Redskins Insider.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It's too quiet! The news is too slow. I something cooking? I sure hope so!

Posted by: heyjoe728 | April 12, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article on Haynesworth - that paints a totally different picture than the WaPo reports...

http://www.backsportspage.com/beyond-the-athlete/2010/4/9/beyond-the-athlete-albert-haynesworth-part-ii.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 9:40 AM

Wow, great find Lisa. Kinda supports everything I've been saying about poo flinging. I went back and read part 1 of that article. Seems Hayney may not be the d!ck everyone makes him out to be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 12, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This time next year it will be the same thing kiper, mcshay, and mayock will be saying this tackle named ______ - _______ out of _______ is the best tackle in ten years and they will say it in the 2012 draft in the 2013 draft and so on I think trade down draft trent Williams but not lower the top 10. Draft Dan LeFevour in the later rounds(3rd or 4th depending on the trade)and trade for Brandon Marshall, sign flozell to play right tackle. Now you got a o-line to work with a QB to train and a WR core that is gonna be great targets for mcnabb marko Mitchell 6'4 Devin thomas 6'2 malcom Kelly 6'4 Santana moss 5'9 and Brandon Marshall is 6'4 moss could play slot and be a returner

As far as holmes going to the jets does anyone else think this is kinda like placico to the giants?

Posted by: Superman321 | April 12, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Source? Name a team that was willing to sign him at the outset of free agency. There are several prominent free agents with better resumes than JC still twisting in the wind this offseason. If JC had any market, we'd know it. Few coaches want to take on a guy who's still a project after 5 years. He's what they call a coach killer -- a QB that forced Gibbs to give up playcalling then retire, got Zorn canned (thank you JC), made Todd Collins look like a starter, nearly doomed the careers of several young, talented WR's, fumbled or threw picks on gamewinning drives on a regular basis... but I digress. The League has spoken. There very little market for JC. You can blame the CBA, blame the tender, etc., but it comes down to talent, and JC's lack thereof.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 12, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

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There is a market for JC Carolina , Oakland ,Buffalo. But Shanahan is no fool if they really wanted to get rid of Campbell they would have released him out right. Instead they put a 1st round Tender on him. That has put Campbell in a no win situation. If Campbell is that Bad as Redskin Fans seem to believe, then he should have been released out right. 20td's and 3600 yrds passing is not bad , with a bad line. No team this year has given up a 1st round pick for any restricted free agent this year.Again all the restricted free agents including Campbell are stuck!!! I say release him !!! Rex grossman should be good enough to back up MCnabb

Posted by: joh375 | April 12, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

CR22, Carter, MK12, Rocky, and LAndry? I think are all canidates.....

4th, WOW...um...who is gonna want CR? And trading Rocky is taking steps back that the team can't afford to take.

MS likes bigger receivers, so I think he wants to see what he has in MK.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Source? Name a team that was willing to sign him at the outset of free agency. There are several prominent free agents with better resumes than JC still twisting in the wind this offseason. If JC had any market, we'd know it. Few coaches want to take on a guy who's still a project after 5 years. He's what they call a coach killer -- a QB that forced Gibbs to give up playcalling then retire, got Zorn canned (thank you JC), made Todd Collins look like a starter, nearly doomed the careers of several young, talented WR's, fumbled or threw picks on gamewinning drives on a regular basis... but I digress. The League has spoken. There very little market for JC. You can blame the CBA, blame the tender, etc., but it comes down to talent, and JC's lack thereof.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 12, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

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There is a market for JC Carolina , Oakland ,Buffalo. But Shanahan is no fool if they really wanted to get rid of Campbell they would have released him out right. Instead they put a 1st round Tender on him. That has put Campbell in a no win situation. If Campbell is that Bad as Redskin Fans seem to believe, then he should have been released out right. 20td's and 3600 yrds passing is not bad , with a bad line. No team this year has given up a 1st round pick for any restricted free agent this year.Again all the restricted free agents including Campbell are stuck!!! I say release him !!! Rex grossman should be good enough to back up MCnabb

Posted by: joh375 | April 12, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

We ain't trading HAynesworth, nor Campbell....And I am now adding Cooooley to the list.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 10:13 AM

I can't imagine JC wanting to stick around. That would be him eating some serious humble pie.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ok 4th, let me get this straight: we should blast Campbell for not being an elite QB and for being the average game manager he was essentially drafted to be...yet we should be happy that Haynesworth gave us 70% instead of the 60% expected? (I never heard that 60% number, but just going on what it is you said.)

And we should count on the main guys widely rumored to be moved (JC and AH) not going anywhere, yet bank on the 3 names that nobody has seen in trade talks to date (MK12, Rocky, and Rogers) get moved?

Wow. Just wow...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Say what you want about the Steelers being hypocritical in that they seem to be keeping Big Ben, but “franchise” QB’s don’t get cut or traded for 5th round picks. And while he does seem to need to learn how to better keep himself out of potentially bad situations, ZERO criminal charges have been filed against him. Seems like another way to view it is that he has had his rep absolutely crushed by a couple of gold digging crazies.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 12, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I love how people get offended and panties bunched about black stove talk leading up to the draft....Last I checked it was called the fun of following sports...I mean have we not seen enough strange things in the NFL, especially lately with labor uncertainty, to expect the unexpected?

Carry on 4th, half the the time I think you are looney tunes, but you have fun with this stuff, as it should be.

Also I would not be shocked if any player on the current roster is traded, nothing is sacred.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"...what pro would EVER consider following a guy who is supposedly a VIRGIN...."

Well, for starters, there's the prostitute Mary Magdelene who followed the virginal Jesus.

The nation of England followed a virginal queen named Elizabeth who made it a superpower.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Ok 4th, let me get this straight: we should blast Campbell for not being an elite QB and for being the average game manager he was essentially drafted to be...yet we should be happy that Haynesworth gave us 70% instead of the 60% expected? (I never heard that 60% number, but just going on what it is you said.)


Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse


C'mon brownie; it's not that tough.

Campbell giving 100% of his time and focus in practice and at OTAs is still - at best - an average QB.

AH, even at less than 100%, is still an elite Top 5 DT in the NFL.

That's the reason you live with and deal with AH, and the reason you find a new QB.

It's not fair, it's not just, it's not a perfect world...but you suck it up and deal with it...

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow, great find Lisa. Kinda supports everything I've been saying about poo flinging. I went back and read part 1 of that article. Seems Hayney may not be the d!ck everyone makes him out to be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 12, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

So you were flinging poo about flinging poo? ;)

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

From Peter King-- "but he's [Shanny] sniffing around Tim Tebow an awful lot."

Why do I get an unsettling Heath Shuler kind of feeling about that?

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Ok 4th, let me get this straight: we should blast Campbell for not being an elite QB and for being the average game manager he was essentially drafted to be...yet we should be happy that Haynesworth gave us 70% instead of the 60% expected? (I never heard that 60% number, but just going on what it is you said.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

C'mon brownie; it's not that tough.
Campbell giving 100% of his time and focus in practice and at OTAs is still - at best - an average QB.
AH, even at less than 100%, is still an elite Top 5 DT in the NFL.
That's the reason you live with and deal with AH, and the reason you find a new QB.
It's not fair, it's not just, it's not a perfect world...but you suck it up and deal with it...
Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 10:30 AM

Any chance you two can exchange email adds and take it offline today?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I have a love hate relationship with how Allen and Mike Shannahan are doing this off season stuff.

I hate that we hear so little about what they may do. But I love that we are keeping quiet as that helps them in the deals they are making in the end.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

tebow? what pro would EVER consider following a guy who is supposedly a VIRGIN. wtf has he ever done that any sane football player would consider as an example of "leadership?" pray? that's hunky dory... 1930's college football thinking.

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 12, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


A couple of REALLY good points here.

The Skins definitely need to find themselves a bonafide male 'ho to inspire the team. The dirtier and more promiscuous, the better.

And when you think about it, what HAS Tebow actually done?

Yeah, yeah, there's the 2 Nat'l Championships and being the first ever underclassmen to win the Heisman, but when you put those things aside, his leadership resume is pretty thin.

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The only concern I have with losing JC is that our QB corps will be thin. That in consideration the following could happen.

The Raiders have strong needs at QB, DT, DE, and S/CB. Skins should offer the following: Campbell, Haynesworth, Carter and Landry, in exchange for Oakland's 1st and 2nd round pick (8th and 39th respectfully). Skins should draft as follows: #4 Okung, #8 E.Berry if available (if not then Iupati OG), #39 (if we get Berry @ #8) Jon Asamoah OG (if we get Iupati @ #8) then either Nate Allen S or Chad Jones S. Note: Oakland has Langston Walker OT 6'8" 366lbs (he is servicable for 2 more years). We can add depth at OLine in later rounds. If Suh drops to #4 we must take him and pick up either Okung, Bulaga, Williams or Davis for the OLine. If this happens we will win the East and make some noise in the playoffs for years to come.

Posted by: changer2 | April 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

tebow? what pro would EVER consider following a guy who is supposedly a VIRGIN. wtf has he ever done that any sane football player would consider as an example of "leadership?" pray? that's hunky dory... 1930's college football thinking.

Posted by: dcjazzman
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Hey dcjazzman,
hunky dory?
Hey, I will agree Tebow did not play in a pro-style offense, and may never develop to be a great passer.

But why do you go after him saying he is not a leader? You know very well he is, and many of his teammates at UF said he was quite a leader. I'm NOT saying we should draft him or anything like that; but I don't understand your position at all.
By the way, why dog a guy because he is still a Virgin?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I certainly don't want to rehash this whole AH thing with you, so I'll suffice it to say that it's lame and hypocritical to make the assertion that we should accept ANY player on the roster going at 70% or anything less than 100% when you expect that level of commitment from everyone else. That's one of the main reasons this team has underachieved for the last decade...creating an atmosphere where certain players are treated better than others. If Shanahan clears out those players, he's got my vote. Regardless of how talent he is.

It's not about talent. It's about getting 53 guys to sell out for what you're doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This is why Campbell, is no longer the starting QB,,,,
"He needs more time to decide"

dashriprock | April 12, 2010 9:24 AM
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Brilliant!

Posted by: tkoho | April 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

J Reid really takes the cake with this one.

The fact is no team has a strong interest in JC because they watch film and see all of his fundamental flaws.

The skins are holding out hope that someone ponies up a fifth after the draft. The idea that they should just cut him and not even try to get anything in return... I mean, why would they do that? They owe him NOTHING.

I thought it was a fireable offense when J-Reid only published half of Malcolm Kelly's quotes last week, deleting how he said McNabb threw to everybody on the field and was accurate and how those two things would be a big change from JC. But this latest sympathy posting... it's seriously like J Reid is representing JC at this point.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | April 12, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

From Peter King-- "but he's [Shanny] sniffing around Tim Tebow an awful lot."

Why do I get an unsettling Heath Shuler kind of feeling about that?

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The difference.. high expectations on Schuler (high 1st rounder) who many saw as the next Joe Montana, low expectations regarding Tebow (projected second rounder)many don't see him being an NFL QB (a view which I happen to disagree with)..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Cue the sympathy quartet for Campbell....gag me.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 12, 2010 9:24 AM

Looks like they missed the cue CL. The hating crowd picked it up though.

Great article on AH Lisa. I didn't know he bought that $1,000,000 powerboat to save drowning kittens. What a guy!

Posted by: mack1 | April 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

By the way, why dog a guy because he is still a Virgin?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

My problem with it is that most every guy I know/ew in high school changes in personality and everything once they lose their virginity. Some for the better some for worse.

I don't like the idea of drafting a virgin QB only to hear in two years that he got married found out he was into auto-erotic asphyxiation and went out all David Carradine. Or find out he was into some kinkier more disturbing s***, the holier than thou types have a tendency towards sexual deviance. The only thing that could be worse is if he is lying about his being a virgin.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Any chance you two can exchange email adds and take it offline today?


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 12, 2010 10:35 AM


Don't even worry about it...I've said my piece on this and there's no reason to repeat myself on the subject. We'll see what happens this offseason and go from there...

Although it does feel a lot like RI actually WANTS us to go at it over JC and AH. I mean, look at the stuff we've been getting over the last week or so...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins would do well to get a fourth or fifth round pick for him. The guy is awful. Terrible mechanics, poor field vision, a total inability to read defenses, and indecisive. He has a high completion percentage because most of his passes went for two yards and a cloud of dust. Campbell played a West Coast offense in his final (best) season at Aubrun, so he should have been able to adapt very easily. Apparently some West Coast offenses are easier to grasp than others.

Campbell's "deep ball" it's more like a deep fade. Those big, arcing rainbows enable even the slowest DB's to regain whatever cushion the Skins receivers are able to establish.

The best Campbell can hope for is to pull a Rich Gannon, hold the clipboard for a few seasons, and then in his late 30s have two or three breakout seasons before retirement.

Posted by: tkoho | April 12, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I certainly don't want to rehash this whole AH thing with you, so I'll suffice it to say that it's lame and hypocritical to make the assertion that we should accept ANY player on the roster going at 70% or anything less than 100% when you expect that level of commitment from everyone else. That's one of the main reasons this team has underachieved for the last decade...creating an atmosphere where certain players are treated better than others. If Shanahan clears out those players, he's got my vote. Regardless of how talent he is.

It's not about talent. It's about getting 53 guys to sell out for what you're doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:38 AM
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Word. I think Zorn made some big mistakes with players from the start that really hurt him as a coach. He treated veterans different than rookies. Hey, I know you have to respect the veterans, but you can't let them have a free reign in the pre-season. Guys like Haynesworth felt like they didn't have to put their best foot forward and it showed. I think Shanahan's philosophy is everyone is competing for a job and there should be no concessions on practice or training just because a player has been in the league for a few years. He won't accept anything less than 100% from any player, and those who aren't on the bandwagon will soon find another team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The fact is no team has a strong interest in JC because they watch film and see all of his fundamental flaws.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | April 12, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse
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Yep. The 1st rounder they'd have to give up for a one year contract has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I love it CL! Thanks for knowing! You see how peeps just came out of the woodwork to knock down these notions??

Haynesworth and Jason Campbell aren't gonig anywhere because Shanny won't receive the trade value in return.

The 60% number I thought was already established up here? Anyone else whould be able to confirm it.

CR22 would be on the block because they believe he won't resign here and if the right offer comes up (2nd/3rd rounder), the Skins will jump.

MK12 is on here because they will have to move out someone in order to pick up Jorin Shipley and/or Brandon MArshall.

Rocky is on there because he may not be a qaulity 3-4 OLB and I think we are abudant on that on our current roster.

Carter has already been hashed up for established reasons.

And Landry may or may not be in good standing....but now the more I think about it, I'm starting to think it may have been a ploy by the Skins to keep him on his toes......same with Haynesworth.......

I mean is my ish really that far fetch? As far fetch as a division rival trading their starting QB to us when no one up here but one person belived it?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

The more I hear and read about Tebow, the more I want the Skins to pull the trigger and draft him. I hope the Skins are able to trade back and pick up an extra pick, hopefully with the intention of snagging Tebow in the late first, early second.

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I certainly don't want to rehash this whole AH thing with you, so I'll suffice it to say that it's lame and hypocritical to make the assertion that we should accept ANY player on the roster going at 70% or anything less than 100% when you expect that level of commitment from everyone else. That's one of the main reasons this team has underachieved for the last decade...creating an atmosphere where certain players are treated better than others. If Shanahan clears out those players, he's got my vote. Regardless of how talent he is.

It's not about talent. It's about getting 53 guys to sell out for what you're doing.


Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse


You live with and deal with players that are exceptionally talented - within reasonable boundaries.

I don't think that's a heretical approach to sports, and I think you'll find the vast majority of coaches agree.

The issue with AH is what are those "reasonable boundaries"?

Right now he's simply missing non-mandatory events. I'd say that's within "reasonable boundaries".

If the dude shows up and he's slightly out of shape, but he's still better than the vast majority of players at his position AND he's making his teammates better on the field - I'd say that's within "reasonable boundaries". And that was the story last season.

Having AH gives us a better chance to win on the field than not - I don't think that's a stretch. And so far, he's not pulled a T.O. or a brandon Marshall or a Plaxico Burress. I hear teammates saying they wish he was there, but I don't hear about teammates threatening to fight him or going to the coaches complaining about the guy or anything like that. Media muck-raking aside, I've yet to hear any actual statement from his that is disrespectful to his current coaches or teammates.

I hope we keep him and work with him. If he doesn't play well, doesn't work hard, doesn't fit into the D, and becomes a distraction, I would whole-heartedly support shipping him to the Lions/Titans for whatever...

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the idea of drafting a virgin QB only to hear in two years that he got married found out he was into auto-erotic asphyxiation and went out all David Carradine. Or find out he was into some kinkier more disturbing s***, the holier than thou types have a tendency towards sexual deviance. The only thing that could be worse is if he is lying about his being a virgin.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Do you speak from experience?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's a topic we can all agree on: anyone hear the crap Brian Baldinger said about Donovan McNabb? Here's the excerpt:

"The Eagles should be ecstatic. I view McNabb as a flawed player, and it was never more apparent than in the back-to-back losses to the Cowboys last season. His flaws will never go away. Now, the Eagles get at least two chances to expose the same flaws they've been covering up for 11 years. It works against the Redskins that McNabb is still in the division. Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game. The Eagles will go to the playoffs. The Redskins will be watching from the golf course."

Baldinger is way out in left field when he says, "Andy Reid can finally stop covering up for one of the most overrated quarterbacks in the history of the game." Baldy, you got that backwards dude. It's more like "Andy Reid will now be exposed as a sh*tty playcaller now that he doesn't have a Pro-Bowl quarterback to bail him out." I mean, think about what you're saying man! That entire offense was built around McNabb. If he was such a "flawed" QB and the team had to cover his ass so much, why would they do that? They failed to put elite pass catchers on that team (save for Terrell Owens for a year and a half), failed to provide a solid and consistent rushing attack, and the defense was kinda up and down--and never dominant when it was up. It was all on Donovan to win there. Yet it's his fault that he could only carry the team to the cusp of a championship despite those limitations?

If karma truly exists, those bum Eagles fans will rue the day they ever traded away a legit franchise QB and will NEVER taste a Super Bowl victory before they wake up to the reality that a championship isn't something that's OWED to you.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"I think Shanahan's philosophy is everyone is competing for a job and there should be no concessions on practice or training just because a player has been in the league for a few years."

Shanahan = Marty Schottenhiimer

The tried and true method of instilling discipline via the conduit of fear is the best way to motivate a roster that has just spend two seasons in Zornland.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Although it does feel a lot like RI actually WANTS us to go at it over JC and AH. I mean, look at the stuff we've been getting over the last week or so...
Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:43 AM

Yep. I’m not gonna put much faith in a random article about what a great guy AH is, but it does look like it has legit quotes from the man himself….unlike anything WAPO’s been putting up in order to fan the flames. I can’t wait to see what gets posted up here Friday when AH doesn’t show up to the minicamp and WAPO treats it like an unexpected bombshell that has Ashburn rocked….like some new line has been drawn when he’s been saying all along that he won’t be there…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 12, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

playing 70% of the defensive plays isn't the same as giving 70% effort. all teams rotate d-linemen to keep them fresh.

Posted by: hcic55 | April 12, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

By the way, why dog a guy because he is still a Virgin?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Why dog a guy for being fat, stupid, tall, or short? It's a cruel world Ray.

Posted by: mack1 | April 12, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a disgrace to the NFL. You had a good QB in Jason Campbell and you go out and get a aged McNabb. This will all backfire on the Skins mark my word. I'm sick of this get rid of the owner and to be honest I don't have much faith in Mike Shan. People fail to realize this dude did nothing once Elway retired. This is gonna come back to haunt the Skins watch and stay tuned.

Posted by: gjricks | April 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"The more I hear and read about Tebow, the more I want the Skins to pull the trigger and draft him...."

Maybe you're not a college football, SEC fan, but Tebow's played in enough games to where everybody knows what he can do and can't do.

He can beat college kids with his legs and arm.

He couldn't beat 'Bama's NFL style defense with his legs an arm.

He doesn't read the field, no matter how he throws the ball.

He is the greatest college football player of the modern era.

But Tim Tebow is not and will never be an great NFL quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that could be worse is if he is lying about his being a virgin.

Posted by: alex35332
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"The only thing that could be worse"?
Have you lost your mind?
We are not going to get Tebow.
So, what is it about the young man that your conscience detests resulting in you lashing out at him on a public blog?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

We ain't trading HAynesworth, nor Campbell....And I am now adding Cooooley to the list.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 10:13 AM

I can't imagine JC wanting to stick around. That would be him eating some serious humble pie.


Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 10:22 AM

TWISI - Currently Campbell is eating 3 humble pies a day as teams are telling his agent they would take Campbell for a 6th rounder. Or would trade for him straight up with their 53rd man on the roster.

He will be full of humble pie when he comes back to the team. But he needs to come back now before Shanny cuts him in TC in favor of Sexy Rexy....And Shanny will tell him, 'You fell behind while Donovan and Rex were working with their teamates and learning the playbook. If you had never left and had been with the team, I would be sure you would've been our solid #2 going into the season. You see McNabb has been injured more often recently, so you would have been able to showcase your skills again if/when it ever happened JAson. And you could have made alot of $$ for yourself next year.'

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs gave up a 1, 3 and 4 for Campbell and now they can't even get a 5 for him. That's not as devastating to the team as the two #1's he gave for Desmond Howard and Gerald Riggs. It amazes me how that holier than thou schweenbag is perceived in this town.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | April 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Having AH gives us a better chance to win on the field than not - I don't think that's a stretch.

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 10:49 AM


Considering we were 4-12 with him and 8-8 without him, I'd say it is.

No ONE player is that important in football if your team is built right. Especially not at DT.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

playing 70% of the defensive plays isn't the same as giving 70% effort. all teams rotate d-linemen to keep them fresh.

Posted by: hcic55 | April 12, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse


That's very true.

My bottom line point is still production.

People have all sorts of gauges regarding how much effort or how good shape AH was in last season - and that's a fair discussion to have and a fair criticism to levy.

But I just don't understand why the guy gets crucified the way he does when he was still one of the best DTs in the game and vastly improved the play of the guys around him. Trading him away for a 2nd rounder under these circumstances seem ludicrous to me.

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

An unamed source of mine has told me that the Carolina Panthers are highly interested in Jason Campbell and are willing to part with a 2010 2nd & 6th round pick.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | April 12, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

An unamed source of mine has told me that the Carolina Panthers are highly interested in Jason Campbell and are willing to part with a 2010 2nd & 6th round pick.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | April 12, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan = Marty Schottenhiimer

The tried and true method of instilling discipline via the conduit of fear is the best way to motivate a roster that has just spend two seasons in Zornland.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 10:51 AM


Now THERE'S something we can agree on...I would go as far as to say that Marty was the best coach this team has seen post Gibbs 1.0. If he could have stayed after the '01 season, I could see this team being title contenders in '02 and '03 instead of the laughing stock of the league under Spurrier.

Ugh...my blood still boils just typing that d-bag's name...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

An unamed source of mine has told me that the Carolina Panthers are highly interested in Jason Campbell and are willing to part with a 2010 2nd & 6th round pick.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

An unamed source of mine has told me that the Carolina Panthers are highly interested in Jason Campbell and are willing to part with a 2010 2nd & 6th round pick.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

An unamed source of mine has told me that the Carolina Panthers are highly interested in Jason Campbell and are willing to part with a 2010 2nd & 6th round pick.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Do you speak from experience?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Little bit, not from my side, but I deflowered a religious chick in my HS days, she got into the public places thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Need Okung-Fu, Must have Okung-Fu..

Or we can sit around the campfire with Tebow, singing, "Someone's farting my Lord, Coombayaaaaa!!..."

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"pfunk, I certainly don't want to rehash this whole AH thing with you, so I'll suffice it to say that it's lame and hypocritical to make the assertion that we should accept ANY player on the roster going at 70% or anything less than 100% when you expect that level of commitment from everyone else."

I believe the 60% 4th recently referred to was not in regards to how hard he played, but how many snaps he played.

He was expected to play 60-65% of the snaps (the same number he played for the Titans), and he surpassed that total through the year.

And in no-way do I think he was half-assing it either.

Is he a complainer? Sure. But he's also a competitor. You don't go to anger management for on-field transgressions because you're going through the motions on gameday.

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yep. The 1st rounder they'd have to give up for a one year contract has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You realize we could trade him for less than a 1st rounder, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs gave up a 1, 3 and 4 for Campbell and now they can't even get a 5 for him. That's not as devastating to the team as the two #1's he gave for Desmond Howard and Gerald Riggs. It amazes me how that holier than thou schweenbag is perceived in this town.

Posted by: lp_lodestar
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Gibbs won 3 SBs with three different QB and 3 different RB.
If he would not have returned [after a 12 year departure] you would still hold him up as a John Wooden too!
Why do you so easily lose sight of this?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Little bit, not from my side, but I deflowered a religious chick in my HS days, she got into the public places thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM

LOL! Hate to break it to ya man, but sometimes it's a little different for girls than guys...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Considering we were 4-12 with him and 8-8 without him, I'd say it is.

No ONE player is that important in football if your team is built right. Especially not at DT.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse


Yeah, brownie

And this is where you take the discussion to an obnoxious level.

The Skins had 4 fewer wins last season, then the year before, and that has to do with AH being on the team.

You know what?

We had more wins when Fred Davis was playing less. He needs to go back to the bench and get less playing time.

We had 8 wins before Orakpo. We should deal him away for whatever we can get.

Posted by: p1funk | April 12, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Ronnie5, if thats true, step up to the counter for your Chelada!!

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Sign the contract, beat out Rex, take it easy until you have to inevitably play. This is a "no brainer". McNabb won't make the full season, he is way too brittle. With Shannahan's offense, JC can improve his market value for next year when he plays. Rex Grossman is a joke. He may get cut in camp.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | April 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Do you speak from experience?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Little bit, not from my side, but I deflowered a religious chick in my HS days, she got into the public places thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"got married found out he was into auto-erotic asphyxiation and went out all David Carradine. Or find out he was into some kinkier more disturbing s***, the holier than thou types have a tendency towards sexual deviance"

If having sex in a public place is your definition of "sexual deviance" then my man, you need to get out a little more..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

JC seems like a nice guy, but let's be clear: the Redskins do not "owe" him anything. Last time I checked, he was paid - per the contract he signed - for every game and practice he participated in. If he wants to be upset about the situation, he should take it up with his union reps.

Also, during a time of almost 10% employment, I don't feel much sympathy for a player having to "settle" for $3+M to hold a clip board for a year. Granted, maybe he could get a bit more somewhere else, but even that is up for debate.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

... There's no reason to believe that DMac is anything other than at the top of his game. ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 9:40 AM

McNabb can only ever be McNabb to me ... the one and true DMac is Darnarian McCants.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

See that's where you're wrong, pfunk...because I'm not taking this discussion to ANY level.

We've each said our piece on AH repeatedly and at this point we're only repeating ourselves.

Let's just see where the offseason goes and we'll take it from there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yep. The 1st rounder they'd have to give up for a one year contract has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You realize we could trade him for less than a 1st rounder, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"He can beat college kids with his legs and arm.

He couldn't beat 'Bama's NFL style defense with his legs an arm.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

It's not his legs and arm that impress me.

It's his intangibles, dedication, and coachability.

No, he won't be able to beat NFL defenses...out of the gate.

But give him 2-3 years of proper tutelage (which Shanahan is surely able to do), and he's going to be the the star of this draft.

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Why dog a guy for being fat, stupid, tall, or short? It's a cruel world Ray.

Posted by: mack1 | April 12, 2010 10:54 AM

mack1, you really can't dog a guy for all four b/c the last two are opposites. You can, however, dog a guy for being the first three ... but if you substitute "short" for "being a Raider," we can have a dog JaMarcus Russell party!

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

riggs was traded for a 1st, and a 2nd, just fyi....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow....JLC just on Tony K's show on 980 saying he loves what the Skins are doing.....Tony K. does not agree.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The Saints reported a couple of days ago they worked out Josh McCown and Patrick Ramsey looking for a #2 QB because Brunell is now 40.

Would not JC be a big improvement for them than those two guys?
Would they not be willing to give up the last pick in Rd 3 or 4?

After all Brees is only one play from going down [like any other QB]

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Er, actually he did beat Bama just not last year, the year before.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The Saints reported a couple of days ago they worked out Josh McCown and Patrick Ramsey looking for a #2 QB because Brunell is now 40.

Would not JC be a big improvement for them than those two guys?
Would they not be willing to give up the last pick in Rd 3 or 4?

After all Brees is only one play from going down [like any other QB]

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, that makes sense. But there is one thing preventing this: former skins D coordinator saying "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" as soon as it's brought up.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | April 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You realize we could trade him for less than a 1st rounder, yes?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse
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Of course. But he has to be under contract to be traded, yes? Which hasn't happened yet, so why would a team make a move?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

4th I see where you're coming from regarding JC. As far as the team goes, the QB position would be stronger with McNabb, JC, Sexy Rexy (or Colt)and a youngin on PS; than with McNabb, Sexy Rexy (or Colt), youngin as third teamer. As for JC, it might be better for his career to stick around for this year, learn from Shanny Jr (get JZ out of his head), and be mentored by McNabb.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Wow....JLC just on Tony K's show on 980 saying he loves what the Skins are doing.....Tony K. does not agree.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 11:20 AM


JLC is good for that...then if it doesn't work, he takes on this "I told you so" attitude and chalks it up to "same 'ol Skins". He's a frontrunner to the Sean Salisbury degree...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a great situation somewhere lets face Gibbs brought him to take 5-7 drops have a run game to open up the passing. then Vinny Cerrato went to a head coast run a west coast offense whch really doesnt fit Campbell. Campbell did decent but not his strength. Washington is not a place that builds Qb they tear them down not building properly or playing to guys strengths. How many more sacks could Orakpo have had if not a linebacker? How good could Ramsey had been if he wasnt ruined by Spurrier? all these situation just plays into the bad front office and coaching moves. Oakland is really an interesting situation for Campbell they have a run game and defense is pretty good but lets see what weapons they bring in.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a great situation somewhere lets face Gibbs brought him to take 5-7 drops have a run game to open up the passing. then Vinny Cerrato went to a head coast run a west coast offense whch really doesnt fit Campbell. Campbell did decent but not his strength. Washington is not a place that builds Qb they tear them down not building properly or playing to guys strengths. How many more sacks could Orakpo have had if not a linebacker? How good could Ramsey had been if he wasnt ruined by Spurrier? all these situation just plays into the bad front office and coaching moves. Oakland is really an interesting situation for Campbell they have a run game and defense is pretty good but lets see what weapons they bring in.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

He can beat college kids with his legs and arm.

He couldn't beat 'Bama's NFL style defense with his legs an arm.

He doesn't read the field, no matter how he throws the ball.

He is the greatest college football player of the modern era.

But Tim Tebow is not and will never be an great NFL quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

You may be right Moe, but as I recall, Sam Bradford lost to Tebow's Gators 24-14 in the National Championship Game in 08.. so does that mean that Bradford also, will never be a great NFL QB?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

The Saints reported a couple of days ago they worked out Josh McCown and Patrick Ramsey looking for a #2 QB because Brunell is now 40.
Posted by: RedskinRay1

Having a 39 year old Brunell as backup tells you all you need to know about what the Saints feel they need in a backup QB. I will be highly surprised if they look to trade for Campbell because he is too expensive (with a 3rd or 4th pick). They will take a cheaper alternative.

Posted by: amaranthpa | April 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes would have been a nice addition this off-season.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It's a cruel world Ray.

Posted by: mack1 | April 12, 2010 10:54 AM

No kidding...JC, like Rock a couple of years ago, finding out what his real value is...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

riggs was traded for a 1st, and a 2nd, just fyi....
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 11:20 AM

Never understood that one. Not the part about trading for him, but the part about benching him in favor of Byner. Loved Byner, but Riggs was an awesome back who with 20 carries/game could have gotten 1500 yds easy (IMO). But he fumbled a game away against the Eagles (in which he had run for over 200 yds) and was relegated to goal line back from there on out…..no diminished skills, but with how much they gave up for him to have him be on the bench was not smart. But hey, I guess Byner was pretty good to, just not a real feature back IMO.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 12, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Saints reported a couple of days ago they worked out Josh McCown and Patrick Ramsey looking for a #2 QB because Brunell is now 40. Would not JC be a big improvement for them than those two guys?
Would they not be willing to give up the last pick in Rd 3 or 4?
After all Brees is only one play from going down [like any other QB]
Posted by: RedskinRay1
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I am continually amazied on how many people still think Campbell is a good QB.. He's not!!! and the fact ANOTHER team is showing NO INTEREST in the guy is only more proof of it. Personally I'd take Ramsey in a heart beat over Campbell.. Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Campbell deserves a great situation somewhere lets face Gibbs brought him to take 5-7 drops have a run game to open up the passing. then Vinny Cerrato went to a head coast run a west coast offense whch really doesnt fit Campbell. Campbell did decent but not his strength. Washington is not a place that builds Qb they tear them down not building properly or playing to guys strengths. How many more sacks could Orakpo have had if not a linebacker? How good could Ramsey had been if he wasnt ruined by Spurrier? all these situation just plays into the bad front office and coaching moves. Oakland is really an interesting situation for Campbell they have a run game and defense is pretty good but lets see what weapons they bring in.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | April 12, 2010 11:28 AM


Stop making sense...that doesn't go over too well around here.

But then you went an said Oakland would be interesting for Campbell and brought it back to the crazy level, so good job there.

No seriously...JC to Oakland would never work. That organization is every bit as bad if not worse than what the Skins have been in terms of stability and he'll have a fraction of the weapons he had here. Going to Oakland would undoubtedly end his career.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Of course. But he has to be under contract to be traded, yes? Which hasn't happened yet, so why would a team make a move?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

But if someone was interested, they would not have to wait until the tender is signed.

They could call his agent or the skins, say we will give a 2nd.. JC signs, then is traded.

Just saying the signing of the tender is not someothing that could not be forced if a deal was there to be made.

So he hasnt been moved yet, not cause of the 1st or the tender being unsigned.. its because no one wants him.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@TWISI - Agreed....That's how I am looking at it....

BTW...WTF is Rallo.....Eh, I mean RedDMV?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSOQA4OW3i0

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

campbell is convinced of his own greatness and has not done anything..you are certainly a idiot when did campbell ever say he was great? If anything campbell does NOT speak up enough genius. and what have you done? writing a article as ridiculous as the one you posted was absolute lunacy. ole rapist roethlisberger is getting a pass simply because he is a white man" milledgeville ga. is kkk country(much of america is anyway) many if not all of the so-called officials there have strong roots in the confederacy and klan. If he was black charges would have been filed against him and would be in jail.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Personally I'd take Ramsey in a heart beat over Campbell.. Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM


The only reason I don't find this remark LOL funny is because you actually believe it...I mean, there really aren't enough hours in the day to categorically explain to you how stupid that remark is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Every team does a smoke screen. Skins will get Okung unless he is taken earlier. Notice that the Skins have not drooled over Okung. If they did then teams 1-3 would say they were drafting Okung and make the Skins give up picks to move up. Might have worked under Vinny but hopefully not Allen/Shanny.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | April 12, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Sign the contract, beat out Rex, take it easy until you have to inevitably play. This is a "no brainer". McNabb won't make the full season, he is way too brittle. With Shannahan's offense, JC can improve his market value for next year when he plays. Rex Grossman is a joke. He may get cut in camp.
Posted by: KDSmallJr
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When I hear talk like this... that McNabb can't play a year because he is to "brittle".. Grossman is so bad he may get cut.. and we should bring back that LOSER Campbell (6-18 his last 24games) I can only hope Colt really steps up and plays well.. because if going back to Campbell is our best option.. we are DOOMED!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse


Ramsey is still and unknown? That's news to me. I thought he was a career backup.

One thing Ramsey and Campbell have in common is that they were both ruined by the same team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 12, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse


Ramsey is still and unknown? That's news to me. I thought he was a career backup.

One thing Ramsey and Campbell have in common is that they were both ruined by the same team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I have heard campbell say one thing where I think he may have come off as arrogant, that was right after the end of the regular season and he was on someone's show, probably LaVar's and they were asking him about the RFA thing coming up and he said "I am a starting QB in this league, and I think I am worth the highest tender" or something like that.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 12, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse


Ramsey is still and unknown? That's news to me. I thought he was a career backup.

One thing Ramsey and Campbell have in common is that they were both ruined by the same team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 12, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs gave up a 1, 3 and 4 for Campbell and now they can't even get a 5 for him. That's not as devastating to the team as the two #1's he gave for Desmond Howard and Gerald Riggs. It amazes me how that holier than thou schweenbag is perceived in this town.

Posted by: lp_lodestar
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Gibbs won 3 SBs with three different QB and 3 different RB.
If he would not have returned [after a 12 year departure] you would still hold him up as a John Wooden too!
Why do you so easily lose sight of this?

Posted by: RedskinRay1

I'm guessing by the way he types that LP was probably not even born during the glory years, so there's no way he could appreciate what Gibbs brought to this town.
So sad that the skins have literally exposed an entire generation of fans to nothing but losing and mediocrity since '91.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 12, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm late on this, but sovine has now officially reached ITA status...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 11:14 AM

Keep in mind Shanahan has never fully developed a qb. Before you reference Cutler remember, Cutler never has been to the playoffs and has given away more games than he won with his decisions. Understand that he will be required to throw more than wr and te screens in the NFL. Although intangibles are important they are overrated. Most of the players in the league work hard. The idea that he is going to will himself to be a great qb is ridiculous. Against the teams in the SEC with really good defenses (Tenn, LSU, Bama), he was average at best. It should be telling that a good number of the scouts thought he would be better served as a h back. In his last game action in the Senior Bowl he looked horrible. However because he has been working with qb coaches day and night for the past few months and changed his delivery we are supposed to believe that he will now be a quality qb. You wouldnt trust Tommy Frazier or Eric Crouch to be your qb of the future so why should Tebow be any different?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs gave up a 1, 3 and 4 for Campbell and now they can't even get a 5 for him. That's not as devastating to the team as the two #1's he gave for Desmond Howard and Gerald Riggs. It amazes me how that holier than thou schweenbag is perceived in this town.

Posted by: lp_lodestar
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Gibbs won 3 SBs with three different QB and 3 different RB.
If he would not have returned [after a 12 year departure] you would still hold him up as a John Wooden too!
Why do you so easily lose sight of this?

Posted by: RedskinRay1

I'm guessing by the way he types that LP was probably not even born during the glory years, so there's no way he could appreciate what Gibbs brought to this town.
So sad that the skins have literally exposed an entire generation of fans to nothing but losing and mediocrity since '91.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

You're entitled to your opinion, but here's something to chew on. Ramsey worked with Shanny in Denver and as been a FA all offseason. If Shanny felt the same way you did, wouldn't he have signed Ramsey to this team by now? I think the book has been written on Ramsey. Colt on the other hand will have a shot this year. If he doesn't step up now, his only hope in the NFL may be JZ, or perhaps going to the UFL and lighting that league up.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Having issues WAPO IT dept?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the operating principle in dealing with the Redskins is:

A. trade older past their prime veterans for more than they're worth. i.e. multiple draft picks...

B. wait for the Redskins to give up players for free...

And I'm a huge Redskins fan, but that is how Dan Snyder's organization has run the last several years...

Posted by: justabill | April 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind Shanahan has never fully developed a qb...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 11:52 AM


Biggest misconception in sports. So many people think he just walked into Elway, when in reality, he was his QB coach for a couple years and his OC when they went to the Super Bowl against the Skins. So when he took the job as Broncos HC, it was far from Shanny's first experience with Elway.

So while people say "Shanahan couldn't win without Elway", I say "Elway couldn't win without Shanahan".

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Er, actually he (Tebow) did beat Bama just not last year, the year before...."

But he lost the last SEC Champoionship game because Bama locked up his receivers with press covereage, and 'shadowed' him with R McClain.

The 'Bama defense simply said, "Drop back and beat us with your arm," and Tebow couldn't.

If he had the occasional game where he beat teams with his arm without the likes of P Harvin or L Murphy running deep, I'd believe otherwise.

But Tebow doesn't: he's an option quarterback in an outside linebacker's body.

NFL quarterbacks don't pull the ball down play after play, and turn into running backs when things breakdown: that was Tebow's out in college when he should've read his progressions to find other passing options.

Again: Tebow's a luxury pick, a Scott Frost type no NFL team can afford to spend time grooming when too many kids come out of college ready to play right away.

And the one team that can't afford a pick on him is the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

with really good defenses (Tenn, LSU, Bama), he was average at best-----

Er again just like the Bama thing Tebow in his four years is 9-2 against these teams. with limited time is his freshman year(3-0).
Not sure is he will be good or bad in the pros but dont diminish his college achievements, without argument one of the greatest players of all times.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the operating principle in dealing with the Redskins is:

A. trade older past their prime veterans for more than they're worth. i.e. multiple draft picks...

B. wait for the Redskins to give up players for free...

And I'm a huge Redskins fan, but that is how Dan Snyder's organization has run the last several years...

Posted by: justabill | April 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Personally I'd take Ramsey in a heart beat over Campbell.. Ramsey is still an unknown on how good he can be.. Campbell is a PROVEN LOSER!!!


Posted by: sovine08
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I agree w/ Brownwood that is one stupid remark, if you think even ONE NFL GM rates Ramsey a higher value than JC.
You are responding emotionally not rationally.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Why are we being made to feel sorry for Jason Campbell. Always the excuses for him. Good players take advantage of their opportunities. Campbell never could do this because he is very average. I DVRed many games last year to watch in slow motion him miss open players over the middle time after time and throw the ball out of bounds. He's a good backup. That's it.

Posted by: oly46 | April 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

You are responding emotionally not rationally.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse
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Rational responses should be shot on sight.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

You are responding emotionally not rationally.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:02 PM


Even on an emotional level I can't get his venom for JC...out of the 53 guys on that roster, he's no more or less responsible for this team's predicament than anyone. Singling him out is completely stupid.

I mean, the only way to be THAT mad at one particular player on a 4-12 team is if said player were banging a female (or even male) relative of his...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I mean, the only way to be THAT mad at one particular player on a 4-12 team is if said player were banging a female (or even male) relative of his...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 12:11 PM

...and wasn't doing it in a way that was pleasing to said relative.

Posted by: League-Source | April 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

So what happens if he doesn't sign his tender? Is he an unrestricted FA?

Posted by: wisdom80 | April 12, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind Shanahan has never fully developed a qb...

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer
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Uh, Denver made it SB vs Giants then Skins and Shanahan was Denver's OC both seasons.

When Steve Young took over for Joe Montana Mike Shanahan was the OC there from 92-94.

THEN he went to Denver to be HC

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Before we got McNabb I was really positive about what JC might have done under Shanny, with a better O line. After throwing for 20 tds and 3600 yrds, I thought that had to go up in 2010. But having a QB that can lead you on that 4th quarter drive for the game winning FG is priceless. JC has had that chance many times and never came through. So as much as I was a proponent of him being our starter, we got somebody better and more proven. I hope he can get on with another team, more importantly, I hope we get a little compensation for him.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 12, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse


Technically speaking, if the kicker didn't miss the FG against NO wouldn't Campbell have his 4th quarter W?

Posted by: moosepod | April 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

So what happens if he doesn't sign his tender? Is he an unrestricted FA?

Posted by: wisdom80
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He doesn't become an UFA; I think he just doesn't get paid and his contract may not be guaranteed for this year.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

It was a good omen for Mickelson when the letters on his hat melted into the Sanskrit "Om Mani Peme Hung"...If I were "the Gambling Rodent", I'd bet the Opal he'll dominate this summer..Holmes to Jets will make that offense insane, just insane..

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

It's just business? Well, maybe the Skins should look at how the Eagles treated 'business' trading McNabb to a team that could contend. Even the same division. Because the Eagles have some class.

Danny and the Skins have screwed with Jason for years but Jason took it like a man, not to mention countless hits. After picking up McNabb AND Grossman, why not show a little class, just a little, and give Jason what he would have gotten anyway minus the CBA. Let the guy go.

Posted by: tslats | April 12, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Draft 2010 is gona be exciting. Hurry the sjk up and get here already april 22nd.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Unless they get a good offer (4th round pick or better) they should keep Campbell. Campbell as a backup would give the Skins a senastional QB situation next year. Caps over the Canadiens in 5! Rock the Red!

Posted by: Gambrills4 | April 12, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Holmes to Jets will make that offense insane, just insane..

Posted by: frak
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Well, he is not Jerry Rice, but improvement of the offense, I think it is possible.
don't be so quick to go to extremes.
The issue will still be can Sanchez improve and get the ball to his WRs.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

anny and the Skins have screwed with Jason for years but Jason took it like a man, not to mention countless hits. After picking up McNabb AND Grossman, why not show a little class, just a little, and give Jason what he would have gotten anyway minus the CBA. Let the guy go.

Posted by: tslats | April 12, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Dude, its not about the individual. Its about TEAM. I feel bad for JC17 and all the crap he's had to put up with. But, its Shanny running the show now. Not his fault snyderatto screwed JC over many a time. Out right releasing JC wouldnt help the depth of the QB position this season or get the Skins a draft pick for him in a trade. So F that idea and the horse it rode in on.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 12, 2010 12:00 PM

Dont think its a misconception. Shanahan was his OC in Denver early on, but Elway had already enjoyed moderate success before he started (12-2 the year before Shanahan took over). Elway was also the number one pick in the draft and a considerable talent. If Shanahan was great at developing qbs than Griese and Jackson would have had better NFL careers. Holmgren took a sixth rounder in Hasselbeck and turned into a pro bowler and a winner. Shanahan has not groomed a qb in this manner to this point. In his defense Cutler may have turned out to be something special under his wing, but despite the hype he is not an elite qb and has never taken his teams to the postseason. Even if you want to give him the credit for Elway's success, Tebow is no where close to being the type of talent that Elway was.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"The issue will still be can Sanchez improve and get the ball to his WRs."


He, Sanchez, doesn't have to be great, just good.

The jets can run the ball, defend the pass, and have a big personality coach who could motivate the Devil to do right.

But I tell you one thing: the AFC East has three very good team now.

I wonder if the jets ascending will continue to mean the pats descending, with the fins leveling off somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"The issue will still be can Sanchez improve and get the ball to his WRs."


He, Sanchez, doesn't have to be great, just good.

The jets can run the ball, defend the pass, and have a big personality coach who could motivate the Devil to do right.

But I tell you one thing: the AFC East has three very good team now.

I wonder if the jets ascending will continue to mean the pats descending, with the fins leveling off somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Technically speaking, if the kicker didn't miss the FG against NO wouldn't Campbell have his 4th quarter W?

Posted by: moosepod

actually, Campbell had, by my recollection, 3 games where he was leading the team on a 4th quarter drive where we could have gone up 2 scores (philly, Saints, dallas -- though I might be wrong on the names). I looked at how the drives ended. Twice, it was 3 runs followed by a FG attempt, the other it was 2 runs followed by a pass on 3rd on long.

Basically, the coaches said they'd let the FG kicker and defense win the game -- and took the result out of Campbell's control. The defense gave up a TD each time and we wound up with 3 losses.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Dont think its a misconception. Shanahan was his OC in Denver early on, but Elway had already enjoyed moderate success before he started (12-2 the year before Shanahan took over). Elway was also the number one pick in the draft and a considerable talent. If Shanahan was great at developing qbs than Griese and Jackson would have had better NFL careers. Holmgren took a sixth rounder in Hasselbeck and turned into a pro bowler and a winner. Shanahan has not groomed a qb in this manner to this point. In his defense Cutler may have turned out to be something special under his wing, but despite the hype he is not an elite qb and has never taken his teams to the postseason. Even if you want to give him the credit for Elway's success, Tebow is no where close to being the type of talent that Elway was.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer
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No one said Shanahan developed or made Elway, but he certainly was involved being the OC in Denver and then in SF with Steve Young.
And for you to throw Tebow into your statement? No one on here is comparing Tebow to Elway.

Boy, did you serve on the OJ Jury?
Your lack of reasoning is astounding.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Draft 2010 is gona be exciting. Hurry the sjk up and get here already april 22nd.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

How can it be exciting for Skins fans when we only have 1 draft pick before the 4th round??? And only 4 total?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Vic1 I see that you always seem to have the inside scoop on everything about what teams want. You don't know anymore than the rest of us. Nobody is making a move, or doing anything until after the draft. If someone is interested in Campbell then they have until Thursday to do so. I think Shannahan has watched enough film on Jason to determine if he plans to keep hiim or not...Wish they stop dragging the guy through the mud, and just send him to the Vikings. Just because Grossman is on this team doesn't means that he's going to be on it when the season starts. Same goes for Brennan. I have a feeling that Tebow might end up on this team. Noticed I said feeling!

Stop drinking so much Haterade!

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Who got the worst of the Shaft?

Ramsey or Campbell?

Ramsey for sure....and he is still in the league making $$$.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on that 4th. For me the only difference between Ramsey and Campbell is that JC got more chances then PR. They both had terrible pieces around them, and at one point both had an equally wacky(maybe not equal) HC in Zorny and Spurrier. Both could have been okay neither would have been great, both got f-ed by the same team.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

How can it be exciting for Skins fans when we only have 1 draft pick before the 4th round??? And only 4 total?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 12:52 PM |

I would look for that to change - which could be exciting , or catastrophic!

Posted by: edvar | April 12, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell had left somewhere else, the Skins would of had no starting QB.

Obviously the Redskins needed a QB to start the season and didn't fear losing incumbent starter Campbell for a 1st rounder, hence why he didn't receive 1st n 3rd tender.

Obviously Campbell was not in the future plans and it was certainly no secret. If we were stuck with Campbell as a starter in 2010, what were the Skins gonna do next year when Campbell would've been a UFA instead of RFA? We would have lost him to free agency anyway.

So...

What a huge effin mistake it was to not tender Campbell at a 2nd round level. If he were not gonna be here after 2010, what would be the harm in losing him for a second rounder and playing Rex in 2010 while using the rebuilding excuse? all the fans would have understood and bought into it.

Classic Syderrato--> over-pricing any free agent, whether visiting or incumbent.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope JC stays, Mcnabb is not what the local media is making him out to be, he's very inaccurate and injury prone. I'm very impressed with his resume in Philly, but the fact remains that JC has outplayed him in the last two years with much less to work with. Be carefull, you may just get what you have been asking for!!!!!! JC please stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gwest1 | April 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Who got the worst of the Shaft?

Ramsey or Campbell?

Ramsey for sure....and he is still in the league making $$$.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 12:55 PM

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Absolutely. I've pointed in out before that Ramsey was treated just as bad if not worse than Campbell(different systems, NO wrs, NO running game, NO offensive line, NO top ten defense, etc).

Ramsey lost his starting job under Gibbs after only one game--> to a very minor injury. That's dirrty. But Ramsey sucked anyway so no love lost.

4th, I think we both know the underlying reason Campbell has so many supporters. Lisa is the epitome of what I'm talkin bout.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Vicc I would love to play poker with you.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

enough on this thread for me.
Not again until RI has more "news"
Good day, everyone!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope JC stays, Mcnabb is not what the local media is making him out to be, he's very inaccurate and injury prone. I'm very impressed with his resume in Philly, but the fact remains that JC has outplayed him in the last two years with much less to work with. Be carefull, you may just get what you have been asking for!!!!!! JC please stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gwest1 | April 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break it to ya, but JC IS what the local media is making him out to be.

As Dennis Green would say.. He is who we thought he was!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 12, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 12, 2010 12:51 PM


Actually brownie stated Elway couldnt win without Shanahan, so some people do consider him responsible for Elway's success and development. Furthermore there is nothing wrong with my line of reasoning, perhaps it is your lack of understanding is where there is the disconnect. Earlier someone made the statement that Tebow would be good with 2-3 years under the tutelage under Shanahan. My argument is that he has never developed a qb in the way that Holmgren did with Hasselbeck or Favre. I dont think he groomed Elway but I can understand the argument. Elway was a supreme talent and didnt need all the time and attention that Tebow is going to need if he is ever to succeed in the NFL. What is so hard to understand about that?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS' CAMPBELL MULLING OPTIONS

Dateline: Washington, D.C.

Pondering signing his one year contract, Jason Campbell, quarterback for the Washington Redskins, is taking his time to make a decision. And in the inevitable rush that will only accelerate near the signing deadline, Campbell is pondering his short options with the long play taken away by others.

Can Campbell escape the rush?

Campbell's situation can't be pleasant. His resume of performance with the Redskins is more like a sock being stuffed into a crotch for effect. His stats aren't half bad. But then you are confronted to the denuding of them. His win-loss record is not made for legends.

He lacks impact coming from behind. And while he has upon occasion benefited from the "stopped clock effect", Campbell can't point to big games where he put the team on his back and bringing them from behind. Nor can he demonstrate any ability to lead on the field (ala Peyton Manning, Brett Fav-ray, or the New Orleans QB).

Campbell also has much to fear from the sidelines - carrying a clipboard can be a trying experience - different coaches want the clipboard held in different ways and even mastering the writing utensils changes from coach to coach. Campbell could be tripped by other teammates and he could misjudge the bench and it could move from beneath him. He would also have to endure watching a leader lead a team that he couldn't and the impact on his fragile psyche could be devastating. Probably more profound would be watching others penetrate the end zone with the forward pass - something that Campbell never seemed to be able to master as if a force field limited his penetration.

Perhaps the only thing that Campbell has to fear is fear itself. But then again he could have a hang-nail career ending injury or he could develop sideline knees from spending so much time standing stationary with knees quivering from fear of being hit by a player leaving the playing surface.

But he is truly a nice guy.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 12, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Vicc I would love to play poker with you.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 1:14 PM


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You can sheer a sheep many times

but only skin it once!

We were holding a straight-flush and raised the pot too early.

I'm confidant someone would've called our bluff and went all in on the 2nd round tender.

Now we get nothing for Campbell. I'm peeved at the thought of what could have been.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to play poker with Bruce Allen :)

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually brownie stated Elway couldnt win without Shanahan, so some people do consider him responsible for Elway's success and development. Furthermore there is nothing wrong with my line of reasoning, perhaps it is your lack of understanding is where there is the disconnect. Earlier someone made the statement that Tebow would be good with 2-3 years under the tutelage under Shanahan. My argument is that he has never developed a qb in the way that Holmgren did with Hasselbeck or Favre. I dont think he groomed Elway but I can understand the argument. Elway was a supreme talent and didnt need all the time and attention that Tebow is going to need if he is ever to succeed in the NFL. What is so hard to understand about that?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually he did groom Elway....he was the QBs coach and offensive Cord. for when Dan Reeves was Head coach in Denver. He left to take the head coaching job with the Raiders...was fired after two season and came back to the broncos as head coach. Then he won the 2 SBs after a few years.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 12, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

How can it be exciting for Skins fans when we only have 1 draft pick before the 4th round??? And only 4 total?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Trades. Trades. Trades. They have some ammo, just need a partner.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

There are too many snitches in the DMV area!

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse


If Campbell and Haynesworth prove untradable, and they cn't/won 't trade down with theri #4, the skins is in trouble

They need picks for the Oline, a linebacker and a safety and a,,,,

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Trading either Cooley or Davis makes the most sense because we would not be creating a new void on the team afterward.

Is it supposed to be a weak TE draft?

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Cork, dont forget Cooley/Davis as possible trade bait. I like both these guys, but I'd like a nice new ILB for the 34 more than I'd want 2 starting pass catching TE's on the roster. Or a nice OL prospect.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Trading either Cooley or Davis makes the most sense because we would not be creating a new void on the team afterward

Really?? What happens if the guy not traded gets hurt then?? Who becomes your starting TE???

Thought so...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

They need picks for the Oline, a linebacker and a safety and a,,,,

Posted by: TheCork | April 12, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse
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Heretic! McNabb heals all! Kneel before the power of the QB!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I have defended Campbell more times than I care to admit. However, I started wavering during the 2nd half of last season. It really bothered me that he always failed in the latter stages of the 4th quarter. Every single time. Caps in 4! Let's Go Caps!

Posted by: croftonpost | April 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Really?? What happens if the guy not traded gets hurt then?? Who becomes your starting TE???

Thought so...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but: Guys are gona get hurt, so if they trade cooley or davis, they would have to pick up another pass catching TE as a back up. Not sure who else they already may have on the roster. But point being, TE depth isnt as important as depth at other positions. Especially w the 34 switch, need for young OL, competition @ FS (i like Moore41 but who knows if hes a legit starter yet), need for bigger ILB, or a younger RB w some speed. Knaw mean?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

But he lost the last SEC Championship game because Bama locked up his receivers with press coverage, and 'shadowed' him with R McClain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I like how you cherry pick stats to prove your point.


Considering most pundits agree Florida lost that game due to Florida's defense being unable to stop the run, or anything for that matter and held the ball for almost 40 minutes.

The Tide held the ball for nearly 40 minutes and piled up 490 yards against a defense that was ranked No. 1 in the country, allowing less than 10 points and about 233 yards per game.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/gameflash/2009/12/05/42006_recap.html#ixzz0kuOYFhV0
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But of course you fail to mention it everytime you bring this game up. Maybe because it destroys your ridiculous Rolando McClain theory.

TD INT
Tebow 20/35 247 1 1

ATT YDS TD LG
Tebow 10 63 0 23


Yep, blowing up your entire argument with stats.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Actually brownie stated Elway couldnt win without Shanahan, so some people do consider him responsible for Elway's success and development. Furthermore there is nothing wrong with my line of reasoning, perhaps it is your lack of understanding is where there is the disconnect. Earlier someone made the statement that Tebow would be good with 2-3 years under the tutelage under Shanahan. My argument is that he has never developed a qb in the way that Holmgren did with Hasselbeck or Favre. I dont think he groomed Elway but I can understand the argument. Elway was a supreme talent and didnt need all the time and attention that Tebow is going to need if he is ever to succeed in the NFL. What is so hard to understand about that?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 12, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse"

Is it true that Shanahan has never "raised" a QB from rookie to superstar winner? Sure. But that's not the same as saying he's never groomed a QB before.

As many pointed out, Shanahan was instrumental in Elway's development through the early part of his career.

He was also instrumental in taking Steve Young from promising back-up to HOF QB in San Francisco.

He had the pleasure of teaming back-up with Elway in Denver, and helped win Elway what no other coach could.

Then he had a stint with Brian Griese (Griese's best years were in Denver), with Jake Plummer (Plummer's best years were in Denver), then with Jay Cutler (Cutler's best years, so far, were in Denver).

Cutler was also on his way to becoming a phenom under Shanahan. So much so that Chicago was willing to part with two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick, and a starting QB in order to get Cutler.

Shanahan's success with QBs is well documented. He hasn't "raised" a young QB, that's true (though he was well on his way with Cutler), but then again, he never really had to prior to that.

Regardless, nearly every QB that has worked under Shanahan has had the best and most successful season(s) of their careers.

And there's no reason for me to believe him working with a prospect like Tebow would prove to be any different.

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Cork, dont forget Cooley/Davis as possible trade bait. I like both these guys, but I'd like a nice new ILB for the 34 more than I'd want 2 starting pass catching TE's on the roster. Or a nice OL prospect.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 12, 2010 1:33 PM


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I don't have the will to go search through the archives and find the quote, but Fred Davis said something about Cooley having to get injured to show what he could really do. Two pass catching TEs on the same team will not work. One of them will complain!

Has there ever been a team who had two very succesful pass catching TEs on the roster? Maybe the Colts with Pollard and Clark, but Pollard left immediately via FA the next year after Clarks break out year.

If we don't trade one of our TE's now, we WILL lose one of them via FA w/o compensation. It'll be the same mistake we made with Campbell.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I like how you cherry pick stats to prove your point.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, you dont even use stats, just your opinion.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Why would you trade your TE's? I'd rather see if Shanahan can draw up some formations to have both TE's on the field at the same time. Davis and Cooley have shown they can get open, individually. It would seem possible having both of them on the field at the same time could cause serious match-up problems for opposing defenses.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was a warrior for the Skins. He isn't a great QB. Maybe he can be good with a fresh start somewhere else. I think Shanahan and Allen watched film of him and were less than impressed. The rumor about Jason is that he is not smart enough to be an elite QB in the NFL. Still, he has done and said the right things as a Skin so...
It is hard to feel sorry for someone who is about to make 3.14 million in a year.
Some team out there is going to need a veteran QB before the start of the season and will give us at least a 2nd round pick for Campbell.
McNabb for a 2nd and 3rd round picks was a huge improvement for our team. Watch and see.

Posted by: neil64 | April 12, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was a warrior for the Skins. He isn't a great QB. Maybe he can be good with a fresh start somewhere else. I think Shanahan and Allen watched film of him and were less than impressed. The rumor about Jason is that he is not smart enough to be an elite QB in the NFL. Still, he has done and said the right things as a Skin so...
It is hard to feel sorry for someone who is about to make 3.14 million in a year.
Some team out there is going to need a veteran QB before the start of the season and will give us at least a 2nd round pick for Campbell.
McNabb for a 2nd and 3rd round picks was a huge improvement for our team. Watch and see. His teammates are already drinking his koolaid.

Posted by: neil64 | April 12, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Really?? What happens if the guy not traded gets hurt then?? Who becomes your starting TE???

Thought so...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 1:34 PM

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What happens if Vernon Davis gets hurt or Antonio Gates? It doesn't seem like teams are really concerned about contingency plans at TE versus more important positions, like O-line or linebackers.

Most teams do not have two starting caliber TEs on the roster, yet there is never a rat race to fill that 2nd TE hole.

If you can think of one team who has that luxury, please let me know how that has worked out for them?

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is a WR. The only TE we have are C Cooley and Sean Ryan.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The rationale for trading one of the TEs is very simple; you could get more out of the draft pick you receive in the trade than you can out of a 2nd TE.

Say Cooley/Davis is valued at a 2nd round draft pick. Which would you rather have: pro-bowl caliber back-up TE, or pro-bowl caliber starting OT?

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Knaw mean

No, actually, I don't.

You talk about guys are gonna get hurt, but then you want to gut the depth of the TE spot?? Aren't those contradictory??

You leave the TE position alone. Mike S will find a way to use both guys, I'm pretty confident.

"If we don't trade one of our TE's now, we WILL lose one of them via FA"

what?? what does this even mean? Davis is under contract for 1-2 more years, and cooley even longer??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Vicc - point well taken. I guess my counterpoint would be that Zorn was our HC and OC. The hope would be that Shanahan is a little better at devising offensive schemes to match his available talent. No guarantees, but nothing in life is guaranteed.

I believe the Patriots used double TE's during their SB years?

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Say Cooley/Davis is valued at a 2nd round draft pick. Which would you rather have: pro-bowl caliber back-up TE, or pro-bowl caliber starting OT?

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Since you can't guarantee a pro-bowl caliber tackle in return, I'd say Cooley.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Why would you trade your TE's? I'd rather see if Shanahan can draw up some formations to have both TE's on the field at the same time. Davis and Cooley have shown they can get open, individually. It would seem possible having both of them on the field at the same time could cause serious match-up problems for opposing defenses.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 1:47 PM

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Lets be honest please.

An offense runs between 40 - 60 plays a game?

There are only so many opportunities to run two TE formations. And even when you do run a two TE formation, how many of those plays will be a pass versus run?

You don't think opposing d-coordinators will spot a trend that the Skins like to pass when Cooley and Davis are on the field together?

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You don't think opposing d-coordinators will spot a trend that the Skins like to pass when Cooley and Davis are on the field together?

Versus, trading cooley, Davis gets hurt, and now you have Sean Ryan as your starting TE, and then have to sign a guy off the street to back him up, thus rendering the TE spot MOOT in this offense. How would defenses act then, knowing full well that the team isn't throwing to the TE.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying.

I'd have to look at the remaining years on both contracts, but we will lose either Cooley or Davis to FA. Then we get nothing for someone who definitely had trade value.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Since you can't guarantee a pro-bowl caliber tackle in return, I'd say Cooley.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8"

And what if the draft came and a specific player was available that the front office had in mind? Say a gifted athlete that fell in the second round, like a Bruce Campbell?

Obviously, it's all about value. I wouldn't give up Cooley for just any draft pick. But if the right prospect came along and the situation was there for a swap...

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm by no means an expert, but maybe you could run Cooley as a Half Back and Davis off the line or in the slot? I am sure there are other uses, and that Shannahan could make use of them both.

I'm not saying you shouldn't trade one of them, but it all depends on what you get back. If you get a 1st round pick for one of them - I think it is a no-brainer; but we don't know what the market looks like.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Sheehan on 980 was just saying there are rumors that JC has been dealt....trying to confirm. Anybody seeing other reports? Hopefully, its adios muchacho!

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

And what saftey/LB combo would teams have to have to defend a pass situation with Davis and Cooley. That would be a def offensive mismatch.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to look at the remaining years on both contracts, but we will lose either Cooley or Davis to FA.

Can I get tonights lottery numbers, because obviously you can see into the future.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Its nearly 2pm on the date that falls 10 days before the draft. Today is the deadline for other teams to make offers on other teams' restricted free agents. If history is any indication, we should start seeing about six new threads in rapid succession. Get your beep beepers ready.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1,

Injuries give other players opportunities. See Fred Davis.

To assume that any back-up replacing an injured starter is just gonna suck is a lil extreme.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Sheehan on 980 was just saying there are rumors that JC has been dealt....trying to confirm. Anybody seeing other reports? Hopefully, its adios muchacho!

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 12, 2010 2:04 PM

What is Sheehan's twitter account name?

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

vic, if thats the case why don't we trade Sean Ryan for a #1??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And what if the draft came and a specific player was available that the front office had in mind? Say a gifted athlete that fell in the second round, like a Bruce Campbell?

Obviously, it's all about value. I wouldn't give up Cooley for just any draft pick. But if the right prospect came along and the situation was there for a swap...

Posted by: psps23 | April 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL No chance I'd trade Cooley for Bruce Campbell. Great athlete, not great football player right now.

A proven player would be more interesting to me.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 12, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I like how you cherry pick stats to prove your point.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, you dont even use stats, just your opinion.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 12, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse
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I got $5 on gatorskinz2000 losing this argument

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to feel sorry for someone who is about to make 3.14 million in a year.
Some team out there is going to need a veteran QB before the start of the season and will give us at least a 2nd round pick for Campbell.
McNabb for a 2nd and 3rd round picks was a huge improvement for our team. Watch and see. His teammates are already drinking his koolaid.
Posted by: neil64
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If McNabb was a "hugh improvement" and we got him for a 2nd round pick why would anyone give up a 2nd round pick for Campbell?? Everyone here who loves Campbell has to get over the fact that Campbell is good... He's not and the whole league knows it.. Charlie Whitewhurst had more interest than Campbell.. the Raiders would rather go with 300lbs Russell than Campbell. Best we can hope for is a 5th or 6th round pick for the guy. And not sure we can get that... Campbell will go down as one of the biggest busts in Redskin history...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Fred Davis become a bigger stronger version of Shannon Sharpe. I have said many times Cooley is tradeable, (well after 4-12 I'd say all are) and Cooley would bring some interest and picks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 12, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I got $5 on gatorskinz2000 losing this argument

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

side bet $5 on gatorskinz owning a replica plaque of the Tim Tebow speech.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

TE market last year determined that sure fire HOF TE Tony Gonzalez was traded for a 2nd rounder. That would be the best we would ever get, TE just are not in as much trade demand as some seem to think.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

... Charlie Whitewhurst had more interest than Campbell. ...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 2:10 PM

Charlie's so white, he has an extra "w"

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Raiders would rather go with 300lbs Russell than Campbell.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 12, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse
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And the Raiders are the model franchise we are striving to emulate these days. Why, oh why, would you ever support your argument on Al Davis' decision making capability (which I'm pretty sure involves shaking a spherical object obtained from KMart)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind trading Cooley, love the player but I would like to see Cooley for Gaither straight up. How awesome would that be?

Besides I think Fred Davis will be the next really good TE in the NFL.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying you shouldn't trade one of them, but it all depends on what you get back. If you get a 1st round pick for one of them - I think it is a no-brainer; but we don't know what the market looks like.

Posted by: BT23 | April 12, 2010 2:03 PM


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Agreed. I guess I should have mentioned that I would not accept anything less than a 2nd rounder for either of them, or some combination of picks that equal a 2nd rounder.

Gonzalez age is the reason he only yielded a 2nd rounder. Of course if he were younger he wouldn't have been traded.

Posted by: Vicc | April 12, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Where did he say he's getting the rumor from? HE has a direct connect from Redskin's Park because they are fed the info like I feed my daughter her bottle.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

RT @Jay_Glazer: jason campbell will sign his 1-yr, $3-plus-million RFA tender today, taking him off RFA market

RT @Rich_Campbell: I'm told a Jason Campbell trade is not imminent. The process of finding a trading partner continues, though

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Fred Davis become a bigger stronger version of Shannon Sharpe. I have said many times Cooley is tradeable, (well after 4-12 I'd say all are) and Cooley would bring some interest and picks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 12, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse
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And while we have the wishing well out, let's hope McNabb becomes a smarter, more accurate Joe Montana. And Larry Johnson shall be a faster, more agile Marshall Faulk. And Derrick Dockery will become a stronger and more aggressive Jets left side.

Let it be written. Let it be done.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Sheehan was prob speculating that because he was about to sign his tendor, it could be an indication that he would soon be traded......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

On the bloweding up of the Texas Stadium, kind of a shame that the Cowboys (or at least Jerrah Jones) couldn't have been inside. F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Sheehan was prob speculating that because he was about to sign his tendor, it could be an indication that he would soon be traded......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 2:30 PM

I know that there is something important about today and RFAs. Today is the last day of team's to present offer sheets (that other teams need to match/beat ... or not, and pick up the pick tendered). I'm not sure what it might mean for trade purposes ... probably just sets a floor on the player's salary for next season. By signing, it meams Campbell is assured a raise (at least for the purposes of negotiating with any other team).

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I've been speculating about the reality of Danny's finances. Again, I don't know anything -- my speculation has all been based on anecdotal evidence.

Still, the Bogs report on season tix, and the comments below the entry, seem to provide further anecdotal evidence that Danny's financial house may not be in order.

On top of it, consider the large commitments made recently to Shanahan and McNabb ($17mil for the 1st year is what I've read), last year's commitments to Hall and Haynesworth, and prior commitment to Portis.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/mcnabb_selling_redskins_ticket.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

On the bloweding up of the Texas Stadium, kind of a shame that the Cowboys (or at least Jerrah Jones) couldn't have been inside. F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse
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They had a walk thru at their practice facility to generate publicity, but I think the feedback was largely negative.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/mcnabb_selling_redskins_ticket.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 12, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

What's the story here?

Sales People attempt to sell tickets.

Not sure where you're picking up anything about Danny's finances. Isn't this just how business operates?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Per PFT:

Glazer: Jason Campbell will sign RFA tender today
Posted by Mike Florio on April 12, 2010 2:37 PM ET
Eight days after trading for the one remaining year on Donovan McNabb's contract, the Redskins have acquired the rights to another quarterback for one year.

This time, it's Jason Campbell, incumbent starter and restricted free agent. Per Jay Glazer of FOX, Campbell will sign his one-year, $2.5 million tender offer. Campbell was offered an amount that would have secured the Redskins a right to match any offer, and a first-round pick as compensation if they opted not to do so. No team expressed any interest in signing him to an offer sheet.

Now that he's under contract, he can be traded without delay. It's our understanding that this is the primary motivation for signing the tender.

For most restricted free agents, signing the tender offer guarantees nothing. Franchise players (like Steelers kicker Jeff Reed) see their base salary become fully guaranteed upon signing the offer.

The exception this year is Chargers running back Darren Sproles, who was a franchise player in 2009. The CBA suggests that all terms from last year's contract -- including the guaranteed payout -- applies to the RFA tender.

Posted by: butche106 | April 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"BUT SHE WAS IN ESTRUS!!", said Ben the Baboon..

"The issue will still be can Sanchez improve and get the ball to his WRs."


He, Sanchez, doesn't have to be great, just good.

The jets can run the ball, defend the pass, and have a big personality coach who could motivate the Devil to do right.

But I tell you one thing: the AFC East has three very good team now.

I wonder if the jets ascending will continue to mean the pats descending, with the fins leveling off somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: MistaMoe


Santonio gonna say to Sanchez, "Don't bogart that ball, my friend..Pass it overrrr to me!!.."

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I apologize to the blog. Whenever I lurk there is no news; when I mind my own business there are 15 posts a day. As you can see, I've been lurking recently.

As for the Campbell hate, I think it's completely misguided. The next RI poll: Who is more hated, Jason Campbell or Tony Romo?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I have defended Campbell more times than I care to admit. However, I started wavering during the 2nd half of last season. It really bothered me that he always failed in the latter stages of the 4th quarter...

Posted by: croftonpost | April 12, 2010 1:37 PM

I agree with you on that. If Campbell didn't run it in, it seemed like there was no chance of hitting a receiver who would actually hold onto the ball.

But when I reflect on it, there were also collosal failures in playcalling and defense in the latter stages of the 4th quarter--running plays were often called, and we had ZERO run game.

That's why it looks like we should blow up the team, and I'm unconvinced of a QB who was benched in Nov 2008 for poor performance and then essentially handed to a division rival by his NFL coach of 11 years. Does he know something we don't?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"I'd love to see Fred Davis become a bigger stronger version of Shannon Sharpe."


I'd use Davis like he was a 5th receiver, and have him run the routes D Clark, J Witten, and A Gates run: more speed up the seam and crossing against strong safeties.

This allows you to use Cooley as your regular tight end, h-back, and then put both on the field at the same time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 12, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: harbirsingh | April 12, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

As for the Campbell hate, I think it's completely misguided. The next RI poll: Who is more hated, Jason Campbell or Tony Romo?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 12, 2010 2:50 PM

Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 12, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

as of now mcNabb can go anywhere who wants him for the season after this, 2011, 12?

better keep JC until d mac commits

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 12, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

On the bloweding up of the Texas Stadium, kind of a shame that the Cowboys (or at least Jerrah Jones) couldn't have been inside. F Dallas.

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

LMFAO! F Lil D.

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 12, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Why are people doubting McNabb? The Eagles are cheap, they do not like to pay their players. He got benched against the Ravens in 2008.....so what. Due to poor performance, give me a break.

I remember a game when Orakpo didn't have a sack.....hmmm raises eyebrows. Maybe he's not that good.

There was a game in 2008 when Santana didn't catch a TD.....skeptical.

There have been games where Peyton Manning had more interceptions than TD's.....RED FLAG!

This is the best QB we've had in ages. Not to mention he's teamed with a great Coach.

Actually, I remember a game that Shanahan lost.......Sketchy

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I apologize to the blog. Whenever I lurk there is no news; when I mind my own business there are 15 posts a day. As you can see, I've been lurking recently.

As for the Campbell hate, I think it's completely misguided. The next RI poll: Who is more hated, Jason Campbell or Tony Romo?

Posted by: bangkokben | April 12, 2010 2:50 PM
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The QB is the field general and whenever his team loses he is going to take the brunt of the blame. It's in the job description. Now, Campbell does have deficiencies in his game, so that makes it easier to dismiss him. Do I hate Campbell? No, he sounds like a great guy. Do I want him as the quarterback of my favorite football team? I'm happier with McNabb. I hope it works out for Campbell and he gets to go to a team that will focus more on his strengths and worry more about covering up his weaknesses. He can still be productive in the league. I am amazed a team like Buffalo or Oakland hasn't offered the Redskins something substantial for him...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 12, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I've watched JC's career as a Redskin since he got there. He's been completely screwed. He has loads of talent. But crappy coaching/ownership since day one. The latest is the way they made the 1st round tender offer and then signing McNabb. I know business is business, but that doesn't mean he didn't get screwed. Plus, most of the fans blame JC for all of the teams failures. He was the only bright spot on the entire offense last year.
JC 3618yds 64.5% 20TD 15INT 85.4rating
DM 3553yds 60.2% 22TD 10INT 92.9rating
Is that much of an upgrade considering Philly had a better OL? I know DM is 6 time pro bowler or whatever, but his w/l%for the last 5 years is 55%. Skins fans, don't get your hopes up too high.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 12, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports Campbell signed the tender deal.

Posted by: RudysWay | April 12, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I know JC most likely wouldn't do this. However, now that he's signed, what would happen happen if JC refused to participate in the offseason program for the Skins out right. What are they going to do, fine him. Ok couldn't JC recoup that in the open market? So it is now in the Skins best interest to trade JC quickly or hope he continues to plays nice. What say you all?

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reports that Campbell signed the tender.

Posted by: RudysWay | April 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I can see JC going to Miami with Dan Henning and them.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

jelo;

gives us his passes throw, completed, average per and sacks...

Not arguing, but played in a pass happy offense. I wonder how many times he dropped back and threw a pick.

How many plays over 20 yards.

All those things factor in when comparing QB's

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Heard on 106.7 that Glazer is saying Campbell is close to signing the tender, thus making it more likely that he will be dealt.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 12, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Why are people doubting McNabb? The Eagles are cheap, they do not like to pay their players...

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:03 PM

Experience. Do the names Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, and Jason Taylor mean anything to you?

More to the point, very few players get to spend a decade under the same coach. Talk about "raising" a QB! Yeah, a new coach might throw away a good player, because there's no bond (see Shanahan-Haynesworth).
But 11 years.... that's a long time.

I'm just asking the logical questions:
Who knows this QB's skills better than Andy Reid, who coached him for over a decade?
Why did Andy Reid let him go so cheap if he's that good?
Why did Andy Reid let him go to a division rival?

All questions certainly worth pondering.... don't ya think?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

It's clear that Snyderanallen are waiting to see if they can get something in return for Campbell shortly before or after draft day.

Barring that, Campbell will be invited to compete for the back-up QB slot. If, as expected, he is mentally incapable of grasping the basic concepts of being an NFL QB, the Skins will probably release him before the season, possibly with the first set of cuts, to be fair to Campbell and give him a chance to hook up with another team at a much lower salary than he would be getting with the Skins on the 53-man roster.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

All those things factor in when comparing QB's

Posted by: Zeebs | April 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse
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80% of the time, stats can be manipulated to support 90% of positions, but only 30% of the blog will be convinced, so stats are useless almost 80% of the time. Yeah.

And if they bring in some monster OTs and the McNabbinator goes off, then we will declare JC a worthless puke. And if they don't get OTs and McNabb becomes another soup flavor, then we will declare our line a bunch of worthless pukes. And if we end up going an unspectacular 8-8, we will undoubtedly declare the team one play away from the SuperBowl, which we must pursue with ruthless abandon.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Watch Campbell go to Carolina, lead them to a championship, and string all your wives' underwear all over the stadium..

Posted by: frak | April 12, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and it's still very likely that the Skins will sign a QB with pick #4. True, McNabb may play for 4 years, but then what. You always want to have a back up plan. Beside, McNabb's health has always been in question - I can't remember a year when he DID play all 16 games.

Might be a good time to draft a long-term answer at QB.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

dc1020008 he's had all offseason to study the offense and show his mental grasp of it. So if he's incapable mentally, why don;t the Skins release him now.

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

zeebs -
JC 327 507 7.14yds/att
DM 267 443 8.02yds/att
DM's yds/att was unusually high for him. His career yds/att is 6.93.
My point was to show that A. JC did not play poorly last year and thus does not deserve the poor treatment. B. DM is not much of an upgrade really. If they correct the lack of defensive takeaways I could see the skins going 8-8 which JC could have done himself. Then everyone will say how McNabb improved the team. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 12, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm just asking the logical questions:
Who knows this QB's skills better than Andy Reid, who coached him for over a decade?
Why did Andy Reid let him go so cheap if he's that good?
Why did Andy Reid let him go to a division rival?

All questions certainly worth pondering.... don't ya think?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles got essentially a 1st rounder for McNabb. That's not cheap. So now we have McNabb backed up by Campbell and Grossman. That's a much better trio than what we had last year.

Watch all of our recievers, especially Thomas and Moss improve next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Why do I continually read this site? RI used to be a good source for the latest news, but recently has devolved into a one or two post a day about nothing site. Where'd the actual "insider" information go? JC has signed the tender and WaPo doesn't have it yet. Scooped again.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 12, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and it's still very likely that the Skins will sign a QB with pick #4. True, McNabb may play for 4 years, but then what. You always want to have a back up plan. Beside, McNabb's health has always been in question - I can't remember a year when he DID play all 16 games.

Might be a good time to draft a long-term answer at QB.

Posted by: dc1020008 | April 12, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse
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If they draft a QB at #4, Shanahan will be strung up by his toes. They need an impact player to improve this team (Come on LT! no whammy no whammy no whammy *smack), and if fans see the Oline passed over AGAIN, I think the pitchfork march will be swift.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If you can not see a difference between McNabb and Campbell I have to assume you have strong similarities to Stevie Wonder. McNabbs yards per attempt went up because he actually had receivers who could stretch the field in Desean Jackson and Maclin. Other than TO in 2004 his receivers were junk for most of his 11 years. Santana has to be pumped to finally have a QB who can connect on the long pass more than once a season.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | April 12, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

beeps my god beeps finally

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 12, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles got essentially a 1st rounder for McNabb. That's not cheap. So now we have McNabb backed up by Campbell and Grossman. That's a much better trio than what we had last year.

Watch all of our recievers, especially Thomas and Moss improve next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:35 PM

2nd rounder =/= 1st rounder, sorry. That's used car dealer talk, "Howdy partner, I sell pre-owned cars, not used ones!"

Seriously, I hope your optimism is warranted. I will reserve further judgement until the season starts, but right now the new boss is looking a lot like the old boss.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If they draft a QB at #4, Shanahan will be strung up by his toes. They need an impact player to improve this team (Come on LT! no whammy no whammy no whammy *smack), and if fans see the Oline passed over AGAIN, I think the pitchfork march will be swift.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 12, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll have my torch ready.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

2nd rounder =/= 1st rounder, sorry. That's used car dealer talk, "Howdy partner, I sell pre-owned cars, not used ones!"

Alan4- Hence I said "essentially", not the Eagles got "A 1st rounder".

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"McNabbs yards per attempt went up because he actually had receivers who could stretch the field in Desean Jackson and Maclin. Other than TO in 2004 his receivers were junk for most of his 11 years. Santana has to be pumped to finally have a QB who can connect on the long pass more than once a season."
Stinkson - McNabb better hope they fix the OL or he's not going to have the time to throw the long ball. Since you brought it up, McNabb had success when he had better receivers. If you think he can turn the skins receivers into all-stars with their OL and rushing game, you're going to be disappointed. Your teammates can make you look bad or they can make you look good. Unfortunately for JC, he's had terrible offensive teams to work with. Not that he didn't have a few weapons, but when the OL is broken, there's not much you can do. My guess is McNabb won't fare much better until they fix the OL.

Posted by: jelo1 | April 12, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Alan4- Hence I said "essentially", not the Eagles got "A 1st rounder".

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 3:49 PM

That's why I didn't correct it as an error of fact. It's merely using words to make something sound better than it is.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

That's why I didn't correct it as an error of fact. It's merely using words to make something sound better than it is.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 12, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | April 12, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Patience, Jason, patience. NOT for them, for yourself. When #5 goes down this season, mebbe even before, and you are redeemed (publicly) because good things happen ... you have Freedom & VALUE at season's end. This will be your reward.

Posted by: Smoca021 | April 13, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

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