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Shanahan on quarterbacks: an early look

During the course of the afternoon Wednesday, Mike Shanahan made the rounds and addressed every TV camera, appeased as many radio hosts as possible and talked to a group of beat reporters. Not surprisingly, he was asked at almost every stop about quarterback Jason Campbell, and for the most part Shanahan said the same thing: some variation of, "I'm looking forward to seeing more of him."

Depending on how you parse the words, though, Shanahan might have sounded committed to Campbell during one interview and not-so-committed in the next. It's probably not fair to read too much into his precise words on Day 1 of the new job because for the most part, Shanahan and Bruce Allen avoided anything specific Wednesday.

Here's what Shanahan said he likes to see in a quarterback:

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate. No. 2, you've got to be passionate with what you're doing. You've got to love what you're doing; you've got to study the game inside and out. You're looking at guys who carry that over to the football field. Some guys are talkers; other guys are quiet. I've seen people lead in a lot of different ways. The Joe Montanas, the Steve Youngs, the John Elways that I've been with. Each guy's a little bit different in their own way -- all Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Get a guy like Steve Beuerlein: Just go out there and find a way to win. Everybody had different characteristics, but you've got to have a burning desire to be the best at what you do."

Translation: He wants someone who can throw the ball and enjoys throwing the ball; is a loud leader, or a quiet leader; and who's like John Elway. Or Steve Beuerlein. So, yeah, pretty simple.

The buzz continues to be that Shanahan will nab a quarterback in the draft and try to mold him into something that suits his offense. If Jason Campbell doesn't get blown away with a multi-year free agency contract, the Redskins could bring him back next year for a relatively low cost.

But people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics and don't feel he's the long-term solution in Washington.

Time will tell whether that is indeed the case.

By Rick Maese  |  January 7, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Campbell , Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

FIRST of many to say, BRING CAMPBELL BACK!!!

Posted by: Havemercyplz | January 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Heres to hoping Jimmy Clausens toe surgery goes terribly wrong, and sam bradford re aggravates his shoulder. Well prob still end up with Snead. Maybe instead we take an olineman. No early picks on a qb, i dont care if you coaches Elway, aint no elways this year, get Dan Lefevour in the latter rounds if you want a qb this year.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 7, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

But people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics and don't feel he's the long-term solution in Washington.

By Rick Maese | January 7, 2010; 4:30 PM ET

Nothing that can't be cured by throwing beach balls at him while he's trying to pass. That always works. Stay medium!

Posted by: League-Source | January 7, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

This isn't surprising. Campbell is almost the anti-Shanahan QB in many ways. Shanahan tutors his QBs to be aggressive and fearless when throwing the ball. Campbell has been tutored to be the opposite for his entire career. That mentality may be tough to change at this point in JC's career.

I see Campbell here as a one, maybe two year holdover for Shanahan's next QB. But who knows? A real coach coaches to a player's strength. Shanahan increased Plummer's production significantly, maybe he does the same with JC.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate."

LOL. See ya, Jason.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow...

We are already back to the beach balls?

Cold Man....real cold

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 7, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am a terrible fan. I dont buy the jersey until they are gone and then I get it cheaper. I got a wife and kids to think about.

I do buy the old greats though, Dexter Manley, Joe Theisman, etc.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 7, 2010 4:39 PM

One of these years, you'll finally be able to smash open the piggy bank for an Albright jersey.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes, when I think of Steve Beuerlein -- and I think of him often -- what springs to mind is a guy who just went out there and found a way to win... around 46% of the time.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Shanahan will do whats best for the team and for Campbell and just move on. There will be other free agent quaterbacks out there better suited for the new offense system, I also haven't heard much a do about Colt in sometime. I am not as high as some folks about Colt but this system is alot like the one he played college in. Maybe the anwser is to give Colt a chance next year while groming a latter round draft kid that Shanny likes. Regardless, I am hopeful Jason is somewhere else next year

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan drafted exactly 1 QB with an early or mid round pick between 2000-2008. So he isn't going on a fishing expedition in the draft. If he sees the right guy, he go for it. But if he isn't convinced by the QBs available in this draft, he'll deal with other needs.

My guess is he'll see that other needs come first.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

In spite of this article, Jimmy Clausen will be the first pick of the draft and be the starting QB of the Rams. So we don't have to worry about Clausen.

P.S. Also in spite of this picture, and such as.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Correction: Authentic replica Albright jersey

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

So accuracy and passion, those are the two things that matter for quarterbacks. That's the list. Huh. I thought it was so much more complicated than that.

I agree with Myles above that Jason's track record on accuracy will not serve him well in this evaluation, if that's Shanahan's #1 criterion... and I say that as a longtime Soup backer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya, the only thing those pics demonstrate to me (and to Rypien11) is that the Skins should have tried harder to move up and draft Stafford (i.e., for the cast offs).

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Who we pick up in the draft depends on where we are after free agency in an uncapped year.

So who we pick a #4 is anybodies guess.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hard to be accurate when you are running for your life. The two or three times this year when he had more than three seconds to release the ball, he did pretty well

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see if he gives Colt Brennan a chance.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | January 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say this.

Kudos to us Hamsters.

There has been a lot of very smart and insightful comments up here over the past few days. Its been worthwhile reading the material in the comments section.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, free agency blows this season b/c everyone with upside has to stay RFA (though Karlos Dansby would be an AWESOME addition ... assuming the Cards screw up and fail to afford him). But the guess about the bodies is still correct b/c apparently the Pro Day and Combine stuff does affect the focus and attention of NFL talent evaluators.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there will be much question about who we will draft with the number 4 pick (lineman) The better question is whether we keep that pick or trade out for a later round 1 pick and two 2's or a 2 and a 3 for the Jarmon pick we lost

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say this.

Kudos to us Hamsters.

There has been a lot of very smart and insightful comments up here over the past few days. Its been worthwhile reading the material in the comments section.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse


MY FEET SMELL LIKE TUESDAY!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest, at RI, the offseason* is OUR season ... and we are Marshall! (or any other spirited group who gets real enthusiastic after a tragedy).

*obviously, the post-season IS the Skins offseason, esp. since The Owner said that the Skins have already had their first victory of the 2010 season.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

There's too much talent on D to make such a big switch to a 3-4. I'd like to see Haynesworth motivated and used correctly along with Orakpo and Carter, and maybe get another OLB that can pass rush and cover too. Why mess with something that's already shown to work? Too much of a risk. And yeah, no way I'd go for Marshall. People complain about Portis's attitude. Marshall is 10 times worse.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe we will start to hear more about Colt in the coming weeks.

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 4:49 PM |

=======================

You mean they've already been posted?

Dammit!

:(

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 7, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Said it before will say it again. What will happen is that Mike will sit with Jason, they will run through the tape, determine the thinks Jason does well, and then Mike will figure out if he can create a offence to work around jasons skill sets.

So what does Campbell do well that we have seen?

His preferred formations: Shotgun, (sees the field better, does not have to squat so low) & Slot receiver formations.

Weakness in formations: any formation requiring Play Action, anything with out a natural safe outlet receiver.

Best passes: screens, over the middle routs, somewhat developed slant routs, comeback routs, stuff to running backs.

Weakness: Deep passes down the sideline, quick pass from under center

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I like JC and his toughness. He put up pretty good numbers considering the beating he took this year. I think the manner in which Snyder and Ceratto treated him during the off-season was quite unprofessional. I too would like to see him back for at least a year.

With that being said, whatever Mike needs to do in order to be successful, he should do it. If he feels JC won't be the best way to do it next season, then I trust his decision. I am willing to rebuild after the decade of crap I've experienced. If Shanahan needs to bulldoze FedEx, he should do it. He is the first competent and disciplined person we've had here for a while. I loved Joe and I'm glad that he was able to take us to the playoffs twice, but he was out of the game for a while. For Shanahan, the switch never went off.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 7, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Hard to be accurate when you are running for your life. The two or three times this year when he had more than three seconds to release the ball, he did pretty well."

On deep routes, he usually throws the ball too far or out of bounds. And he rarely hits guys in stride on the intermediate route. Not that he can't make a great throw once in a while -- his pass to Kelly against San Diego was beautiful -- but in that same game he routinely made his receivers stop or jump for balls even though he had time.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Shanahan will do whats best for the team and for Campbell and just move on. There will be other free agent quaterbacks out there better suited for the new offense system, I also haven't heard much a do about Colt in sometime. I am not as high as some folks about Colt but this system is alot like the one he played college in. Maybe the anwser is to give Colt a chance next year while groming a latter round draft kid that Shanny likes. Regardless, I am hopeful Jason is somewhere else next year

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I agree Colt McCoy is the answer!!!

Posted by: bigfish054 | January 7, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I saw the D playing well especially on 3rd and 4th and short ONLY when Haynesworth was in there. I think Daniels is expendable and supplies no kind of pash rush when a team decides to throw. But who knows, maybe he'll be rejuvinated with a new D coordinator who likes to attack more.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 7, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse
In a 4-3, one man (AH) is not going to stop a running play. It takes 4 guys pushing. PDaniels played super against the run, and was solid when moving inside on passing plays. I agree, he's not the one getting sacks. But I thought he played really solid all year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 7, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"But people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics and don't feel he's the long-term solution in Washington."


I keep liking Shanahan more and more...

Posted by: p1funk | January 7, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it, we have an established guy in JC, who may not be the second coming of Joe Montana, but we have won Super Bowls with less (Rypien, Williams). Mark Sanchez in the playoffs THIS year. If we get rid of JC and start over, then we are, first and foremost, spending our #4 pick on a QB when the team has more pressing needs. We are also taking on a lot of risk - remember the high draft picks that were used on "can't-miss" prospects like Shuler, Ramsey, and Campbell himself.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 7, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"But people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics...."

Sure Campbell's car doesn't run well, but the mechanics here just aren't as good as the ones in Denver.

Posted by: League-Source | January 7, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's problems start upstairs, it is almost depressing that a guy thats been in the league as long as he has still can't read defenses strongly enough to find the match up he should go to when he is overseeing the field before the snap. We have seen it time and time again. Jason lines up at the line and looks more confused and confident, he is a great guy, great charater but maybe not smart enough to play in this league

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Use of the word "MEDIUM" on this site is no longer allowed. Henceforth any poster using that word will be forced to log off until 1 Jan 2011, eat chicken poop, and watch all of the countries leader's speeches 24 hours a day for 2 months.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 7, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can draft Snead and trade him for someone name Jurgensen

It worked once before

Vuja Da

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 7, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If there's a way to get a couple good linemen and Colt McCoy then I would love to see him and Jason Campbell battle it out for the starting spot. But that would be too good to be true. Would have to have two high first round picks to do that like when we picked up Lavar and Samuels.

Posted by: bigfish054 | January 7, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Random thought:

After hearing some sports FM shmo talk about "not drinking the kool aid" and "wanting to be encouraged by Shanallen but think
Snyder's not done meddling yet", it has occurred to me that there has never been a better opportunity for Dan to go hands off.

If Shanallen were to make a drastic move that undercut previous strategies such as cut or trade 92 in an uncapped year or sign JC to a 3 year extension before FA, Dan could simply point his finger at Vinny and claim "I'm more hands off than people think" to avoid the embarrassment. But if things continue as they have, it will have to come back to him eventually.

This opportunity for him might never come again.

As for QBs, I hear that he kept his desire to draft Cutler a secret from his own staff, so I doubt we'll be privy to his real designs until after this April. But I like dealer's "scold your own" theory.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 7, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Use of the word "MEDIUM" on this site is no longer allowed. Henceforth any poster using that word will be forced to log off until 1 Jan 2011, eat chicken poop...

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 7, 2010 5:11 PM |

How you serving it -- rare, medium, or well done?

Posted by: League-Source | January 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watch LeFevour last night in the GMAC Bowl?

He's probably a 3-4 round pick

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

im thinking it's gonna be embarrassing for Soup to watch film with Shanahan. that film is gonna contain A LOT of mistakesss

Posted by: narielnasl | January 7, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Recanting on my pro-Clausenism, I'm willing to drop my venom on The Owner (if they use the first pick on a QB not named Clausen) and let Shanahan draft the QB he think it going to be the right guy. Cutler was the third QB drafted in that draft and was not top-rated guy then (actually, there was quite a bit of circle jerking around Vince Young and Leinart at the time), Brian Griese was the 5th (in the 3rd round ... in the draft that included Peyton, Ryan Leaf, and Charlie Batch ... although Hasselbeck was picked in the 6th that year), and Plummer was the second QB picked in his draft (2nd round ... after Druckenmiller in the 1st). I dunno whether that was Sundquist, but I don't really care. But I do figure they can wait on spending a #4 pick on a QB given who they have around and the NEED to replace Chris Samuels. Samuels was SOLID for a long long time.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

What does any of this mean for Todd Collins. We will still need another solid QB behind whoever is the starter.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | January 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Use of the word "MEDIUM" on this site is no longer allowed. Henceforth any poster using that word will be forced to log off until 1 Jan 2011, eat chicken poop...

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 7, 2010 5:11 PM |

How you serving it -- rare, medium, or well done?

Posted by: League-Source

AU-NATURAL. 5'10". 242 LBS, BALD

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 7, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya, neither did the lightning. Rypien11 brought it up but didn't paste the link. Its all good.

also, alex@5:02pm ... are you talking about Jason Campbell or Mark Brunell?

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I think the team has bigger holes than QB to fill, but I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 3 new QBs next season.

Posted by: phk28 | January 7, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

They will have 3 quaterbacks next year. I think Colt and a free agent will battle for the start while a 3rd or 4th round draft pick will be groomed for the future. Collins is done

Posted by: redskin8128 | January 7, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs

Shanny's gonna watch film, unlike us, and know when it was Campbells accuracy or a drop or lack of throwing lane or lack of a pocket, etc.

Also, Collins is 38, Brennan got hurt w/o playing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Myles above that Jason's track record on accuracy will not serve him well in this evaluation, if that's Shanahan's #1 criterion... and I say that as a longtime Soup backer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Don't think Zorn did Campbell any favors in this department. Never liked the idea of messing with a throwing motion.

More discipline with footwork? Fine. Change the target location? Yes (lower please).

But throwing motion? No.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does Colt Brennan's style of play remind u of Jake Plummer, a QB Shanahan had in Denver? If he sticks with Jason, cool. And if he does, tailor the offense to Jason's strengths instead of making him something he's not, a West Coast Offense QB. If not, Let's see what we have in Colt Brennan. He's shown flashes, but I think it's time to see where he is in his development.

Posted by: Alleyezon4 | January 7, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Nothing Shanahan said make it sounds like he wants Campbell back.. and why would Campbell want to come back.. to learn another system for one year knowing he will be gone in 2011. Colt should be given a shot at starter. he seems to have what Shanahan wants.."No. 1, you've got to be accurate. No. 2, you've got to be passionate with what you're doing." if not Collins as a backup, here's a thought how about bringing back Pat Ramsey? Ramsey played 2 years for Shanahan so would already know his system. Then draft a QB in the later rounds.. say someone like Zac Robinson in case Colt doesn't work out...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 7, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

With Jake Locker returning to school, there are no QBs in the draft worthy of the 4th overall pick. The Skins should either trade down for depth or use the 4 pick on a true superstar talent like Berry or Okung.

Posted by: Dellis2 | January 7, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs

Shanny's gonna watch film, unlike us, and know when it was Campbells accuracy or a drop or lack of throwing lane or lack of a pocket, etc.

Also, Collins is 38, Brennan got hurt w/o playing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 5:24 PM

Well said. People who talk like Campbell is a terrible QB are annoying. I'm not saying he's great, but he can certainly win some games with a little stability around him.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | January 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs

Shanny's gonna watch film, unlike us, and know when it was Campbells accuracy or a drop or lack of throwing lane or lack of a pocket, etc.

Also, Collins is 38, Brennan got hurt w/o playing

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 5:24 PM

Well said. People who talk like Campbell is a terrible QB are annoying. I'm not saying he's great, but he can certainly win some games with a little stability around him.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | January 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs
____
He also threw 77% of his passes 10 yards or less... That's the highest percentage in the league.. I would hope he would have been able to hit the guy he was throwing to most of the time...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

when gibbs drafted campbell he said campbell was EXTREMELY accurate" these are his words go to archives here and check it out yourself. now what has happened to campbell since that 2005 analysis as far as accuracy is concerned and what about his mechanics that shanahan is supposedly worried about? what moron taught him the mechanics he is using now? and let's not forget shanahan said he has been friends with snyder for years and snyder will get you any thing to win..why didn't snyder and cerrato get a young RB(none since 2002)and o-linemen(no starting o-lineman drafted since 2000-samuels). instead of looking at films of campbell etc. shanhan needs to look at statements and actions done by sirRato and snyder.

Posted by: wathu19 | January 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, good bye jason..

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 7, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes, good bye jason..

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 7, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, good bye jason..

Posted by: taylormade218 | January 7, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate."

LOL. See ya, Jason.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2010 4:43 PM

LOLOL yup there it is!
buh bye Soup

Posted by: greatteamdan | January 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Some people think that CB5 is he prototypical Shanahan QB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 7, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

would be perfect fit if JAKE LOCKER was coming out this year.

Posted by: pjfromva | January 7, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Some people think that CB5 is he prototypical Shanahan QB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

he likes QB's who get hip surgery every season and have no game experience?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate."

LOL. See ya, Jason.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | January 7, 2010 4:43 PM

LOLOL yup there it is!
buh bye Soup

Posted by: greatteamdan

'we're going to watch the film'
the coach will make a FAIR assessment, unlike some fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does Colt Brennan's style of play remind u of Jake Plummer, a QB Shanahan had in Denver? If he sticks with Jason, cool. And if he does, tailor the offense to Jason's strengths instead of making him something he's not, a West Coast Offense QB. If not, Let's see what we have in Colt Brennan. He's shown flashes, but I think it's time to see where he is in his development.

Posted by: Alleyezon4

except your comparing Plummer's pro career to CB's college career

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's best year in college was under a WCO

Campbell's best year in the pros was under a WCO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

how does 10th in comp% = inaccurate?

even with protection that is good, Campbell had none + no running threat after Betts went down

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs
____
He also threw 77% of his passes 10 yards or less... That's the highest percentage in the league.. I would hope he would have been able to hit the guy he was throwing to most of the time...

Posted by: sovine08

that's the WCO + the elimination of the 7 step drops that happened with the Sherm Lewis add

Posted by: pabrian2003 | January 7, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate."

LOL. See ya, Jason.

Posted by: MylesMonroe

poor poor JC, I've never heard so many damn excuse for a professional athlete. He is what he is, mediocre. Get over it people. As soon ansd the next QB comes in and wins some games, you'll forgt all about him. I promise.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 7, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

wow, I missed a few vowels there.. too many vodka tonics I'm afraid.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 7, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"But people who've spoken with Shanahan say he's not bowled over by Campbell, has some concerns about his mechanics and don't feel he's the long-term solution in Washington."

Sounds like a pretty fair evaluation. Shanahan likes gunslingers, not game managers. Elway, Plummer, Cutler -- they're a type. Even Beuerlein was fearless.

Jason's a different sort entirely. Aside from the issue of whether he's a legit NFL playoff QB -- which of course he is -- he's not the sort that blooms in a gunslinger atmosphere.

He should move on. The pressure will only get worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 7, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"how does 10th in comp% = inaccurate?
Posted by: pabrian2003"

It doesn't. The people who complain about Jason's accuracy are looking at the deep stuff. He's just fine short and medium, which is where that glossy completion percentage comes from.

When he throws deep, the ball flattens out and is vulnerable to the defensive back. So to get it over the DBs head, he launches it and often overthrows the shorter WRs. Like Moss.

Compare his deep ball to Todd Collins, who throws downfield fairly well but is less accurate on the other stuff.

The folks who insist he's inaccurate have probably never had to complete a pass.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 7, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I still don't get the ardent support for Campbell. Honestly, what has the guy ever really done for this franchise as a quarterback? But if he goes there will be some crazies holding up "Thanks for the Memories Jason Campbell" signs next year (if Snyder allows signs again).

He is nothing special, and finding a quarterback who plays at his level for less money will not be that difficult. Collins plays about the same and makes a lot less money. The best thing that could happen would be that he gets a big contract elsewhere, and we get compensatory picks. Good for him, good for the Redskins.

Here's hoping that Jason gets a big contract on another team.

Posted by: ggt546 | January 7, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

the big lineman from OSU is there for the taking. Left tackle. Jonathan Ogden type. Shanahan is a smart guy. That is their pick.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66894&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT

won't matter who the QB is because Shanahan likes to run and this guy is it.

Posted by: isometruman11 | January 7, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Steve Beurlein comment was thrown out there as a warning the team could just go pick up an aging veteran to get them through a year or two until they draft and groom the QB of the future. Paging Jeff Garcia???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 7, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news: MIKE SHANAHAN JUST PASSED GAS! Meanwhile the room just cleared out, details to follow!

Posted by: rlomax67 | January 7, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

bye bye JC..
"There's so many things. No. 1, you've got to be accurate. No. 2, you've got to be passionate with what you're doing. You've got to love what you're doing; you've got to study the game inside and out. "

Posted by: cliftonbiz | January 8, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Steve Young, Joe Montana and John Elway most would consider them 3 of the best ever. But a key is that they won a Superbowl. Elway was about as accurate as Michael Vick and worse his first ten seasons he threw 158 TDs to 167 INTs. Sure he could run but no better than Campbell. The NFL is bigger now but he was 6-3 and Young and Montana were 6-2. Montana was a relative flat foot but Young was truly a scrambler. Kind of an early Vick. Despite being a white guy from Utah. Campbell is 6-5. Young has the best lifetime accuracy at 64.3% but his first four season were near 50%. Campbell's pass percentage in his fourth season despite terrible pass protection was 64.5% and has improved every season with the last 3 in the 60s. Statistically in pretty much every way Campbell is better than all three relative to their point in their careers. Can you say any of those teams were bad teams? Especially physically but will he lead a team to greatness? Elway had ten seasons of throwing blindly (before lasiks?) Somehow coming out on the wrong side of a coin toss. But all three are much whiter. That gives them time and forgiveness. That is something Campbell lacks.

He's often called middle of the pack. Elway could gun it, maybe in that fashion Campbell is middle of this pack. But given half a chance by his line or the fans he might be more accurate and efficient. This season if nothing else might say, by the numbers, he does more with less.

Posted by: chavez66 | January 8, 2010 4:39 AM | Report abuse

The real question should be are minorities under-cutting wages?

Posted by: chavez66 | January 8, 2010 4:43 AM | Report abuse

Excellent observations Alex on Campbell's pros and cons. I would add that his ability to shift around in the pocket to buy time is only average and of course, he has a lot of trouble holding on to the ball under duress. I don't know how to evaluate his ability to read the defense without a blitz but it seems that when teams blitz him, he has trouble making them pay for it by recognizing where the blitz is coming from and throwing in that direction. IMHO, that is in part because his pass delivery is slow to average and I see no way to fix that.

Posted by: iseyij | January 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I am no big fan of Campbell. That being said - he is the best option we have for 2010 and it would be wise to give him a chance with a better offense if for no other reason than to make him a coveted QB so we could get something good for him when we are ready to. we need to stop buying high and then giving players away.

Posted by: scottmando1 | January 8, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Finally, a coach that doesn't speak in nebulous terms. The items he ticked off - passion and accuracy - are things that Campbell lacks.

That tells me Campbell is as good as gone.

Yay!

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 8, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

re: campbells accuracy

He was 10th in comp% while being sacked 3rd most and having very little continuity of system or WRs
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He also threw 77% of his passes 10 yards or less... That's the highest percentage in the league.. I would hope he would have been able to hit the guy he was throwing to most of the time...

Posted by: sovine08

that's the WCO + the elimination of the 7 step drops that happened with the Sherm Lewis add
Posted by: pabrian2003
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Hey I not saying WHY he throws 77% of his passes 10 yards or less.. what I saying is BECAUSE he throws 77% of the passes 10 yards or less you have to that that in account when discussing his comp%. Seems to me a completing 5 yard pass doesn't prove a QB is accurate. My guess if every QB threw that many short passes everyone would be more accurate...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 8, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The holdover maybe Todd Collins. He is deadly accurate, fearless and passionate about the game/game plan. He fits the mold as a patchwork while a rookie comes up to speed than Campbell who has flat-lined from a development perspective.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 8, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I like Campbell and believe his best football is ahead of him, but he is not the long-term solution. Unfortunately, I don't believe any of the 1st RD QBs are ready to start today, but many of the other players (OTs especially) are. We would have been 2-14 if we had Sanchez. Sign Soups to 2 years, get a late round or rookie FA QB and see what happens. Look at next draft for franchise QB (Locker).

Last but not least, stop dreaming about Brennan. Kid can't play.

Posted by: gbraxton7 | January 8, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

We would have been 2-14 if we had Sanchez. Sign Soups to 2 years, get a late round or rookie FA QB and see what happens. Look at next draft for franchise QB (Locker).
Posted by: gbraxton7

Ooh you mean if we played a ROOKIE QB we would have won a whole 2 games less than playing a FIVE YEAR VETERAN??? Yeah good thing we kept Campbell... And why would we want a guy for 2 more years when he hasn't won in the prevous 5??? I'd rather keep Collins at least he WON when he played...

Last but not least, stop dreaming about Brennan. Kid can't play.
Posted by: gbraxton7
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How do you know he can't play??? Campbell has had 5 years to prove himself and you think he should get more time to show he can play.. but Colt hasn't played at all and you think you can know what he can or can't do???

Posted by: sovine08 | January 8, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

does anybody know what the JETS surrendered to draft Sanchez at number 5??

I'm glad Sanchez is not a Skins, he's awful, thank his stars he's got a defense and a really good running team otherwise he'll be fumbling and throwing INT's on a record pace LOL!

Posted by: alucard1 | January 8, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@chavez66

Um, are you serious?

"Sure [Elway] could run but no better than Campbell."

Really???? Are you new to football and therefore never saw Elway play? his heyday, Elway was the most feared QB in the league for his ability to throw the ball anywhere on the field at any time, or take off and run if it wasn't there. Not a Vick superspeed-type guy to be certain, think more Vince Young in the National Championship game.

Are you trying to compare Campbell to Young when Young played on some of the worst teams (the Bucs) in NFL history? You sort of make the joke that Young could run despite the fact that he was a white guy from Utah, then claim Campbell is criticized because he is black?

Certainly Campbell has some skills, certainly not everything that went wrong this year is his fault. But he's a long, long way from being mentioned in the same sentence as Montana, Young, or Elway (or Warren Moon if race is your particular hang-up). Unless that sentence reads "Jason Campbell is NO Young, Elway, Montana or Moon."

I like JC. Depending on the options, I think they should tender him for next year whether the draft a QB or not. But he has big-time flaws. This is not a black QB thing. This is a not-quite-getting-it-done thing. And cherry-picking data isn't enough to support your case.


Posted by: ts35 | January 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

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