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With no changes on offensive line, Campbell might be Redskins' best option

Regardless whether the Redskins select a quarterback in the NFL Draft, it is clear Jason Campbell no longer is part of the franchise's long-term plan.

Coach Mike Shanahan signaled as much in making the decision to offer Campbell only a first-round contract tender, not a first and third. And with Campbell scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent after this season, Washington has not indicated it intends to offer him a multiyear extension, people familiar with the situation say.

The team is taking long looks at Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen - considered the top draft-eligible quarterback prospects - as well as Tim Tebow, who is widely considered to be a "project" as an NFL signal caller.

So where does that leave Campbell?

The Redskins, to this point, have not done much to bolster an offensive line considered among the league's least effective last season. Washington has pursued several second- and third-tier tackles so far in free agency - Chad Clifton, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims - and whiffed on all of them.

If the season started tomorrow, Stephon Heyer might be the Redskins' starting left tackle. Of course, I know that the season doesn't actually start tomorrow. Despite Shanahan's recent upbeat comments about Heyer, having Heyer in that spot would not be good for the starting quarterback. Versatile lineman Artis Hicks has been the only addition to the group, and he's better suited as a reserve at this stage of his career.

If the Redskins select a quarterback in the draft, Campbell probably still would be their best option next season, especially behind an offensive line that might not be much improved. Only two quarterbacks were sacked more than Campbell (43 sacks) last season, and even if Shanahan's coaching helps to reduce the Redskins' sack total, why would the Redskins risk ruining a rookie quarterback's psyche playing behind a line that pass protects poorly?

Campbell ranked 15th in the NFL in passing efficiency with an 86.4 passer rating. That was higher than the ratings of Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler, among others. Campbell also ranked 14th with 3,618 yards passing, 10th in completion percentage (64.5) and had 20 touchdowns with 15 interceptions.

He produced personal-best statistics behind an offensive line that probably could not have been worse, an almost nonexistent running game and continued to conduct himself professionally despite the off-field chaos at Redskins Park. Campbell, 28, also has displayed his mettle while working under three head coaches and learning numerous offensive schemes in less than five years in Ashburn.

Assuming Campbell remains with the Redskins and is named the starter for this season, he could put himself in a good position if he has another career year while working with the Shanahans (Mike and offensive coordinator, Kyle). Then, perhaps, another team would be willing to invest in Campbell and he could start over elsewhere while the Washington's next quarterback of the future takes center stage.

By Jason Reid  |  March 31, 2010; 12:18 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Campbell , Jason Reid , Mike Shanahan , Offensive line  
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That scenario is about 95% sure of happening, Okung is not going to be there at 4 so what do they do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm still not sure that the Lions don't take Suh. If they do, Okung will definitely be there at #4.

But if Bradford and Okung are both gone, I'm definitely hoping someone wants to trade up for Suh or McCoy. Get some more picks in this deep draft.

Another interesting idea I heard was possibly swapping picks with Denver. They get the #4 pick, we'd get Brandon Marshall and their #11 pick.

At that point we take the best OT on the board.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"With no changes on offensive line, Campbell might be Redskins' best option"


The draft will change the line.

Shouldn't it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 31, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I will give Vinny somewhat of a pass on some of those moves. Gibbs was heavily invoved no question. But making that argument renders Vinny's position in the organization as worthless until 2008. That's when he hired Zoron, traded for Taylor (I don't care what he did in Miami, cost us a #2 for nothing) and did the WR-TE-WR bs. He sucked, no way around it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 31, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Whiffed.

Just like Wapo did when they brought your lame azz in to do whatever it is you are supposed to be doing but in fact are not doing.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Heath Schuler
Patrick Ramsey
Jason Campbell
Bradford/Clausen/Tebow

What do these names have in common?

Posted by: BigTrees | March 31, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

16.6 points per game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 31, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Who's to say they wouldn't be able to find starting caliber tackles in the early 2nd round? It's a position that has depth within the first two rounds. Jon Jansen was a 2nd round pick and helped anchor the line for about a decade until he blew out his Achilles.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Again J-Reid you show what a complete dumba$$ you are lets go over a few of our points.

"Washington has pursued several second- and third-tier tackles so far in free agency - Chad Clifton, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims - and whiffed on all of them."

This is BS we had them in and they signed contracts with other teams willing to pay them more then what they are worth.

The team is taking looks at all the top players if they didn't I would be concerned, it doesn't mean they want to draft anyone more then anyone else.

What great FA linemen should we have picked up to bolster the O-Line?

Why would you write this article now when we are still 3 weeks away from the draft.

This has about as much news in it as Snyder wants a Pro bowl guy with a top ten pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Campbell ranked 15th in the NFL in passing efficiency with an 86.4 passer rating. That was higher than the ratings of Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler, among others. Campbell also ranked 14th with 3,618 yards passing, 10th in completion percentage (64.5) and had 20 touchdowns with 15 interceptions.
JReid
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wow.. JReid sure does like Jason..
He fails to mention, not only JC's W-L record in his conference, 4-21, but also the stat that wins games.. TD efficiency. And JC is in the bottom of the league last year and for nearly all QBs in NFL history (210 out 219).
Its about winning, not just stats.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Another interesting idea I heard was possibly swapping picks with Denver. They get the #4 pick, we'd get Brandon Marshall and their #11 pick.

At that point we take the best OT on the board.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I like that move under the assumptions you presented.... ie, Okung gone to Detroit.

I'll assume Denver would immediately grab Suh with the 4.

Which OT would you like to see land here after falling to 11?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Because JC was only tendered with a first round pick they don't want him, yeh because so many teams have come a calling.

He could have been tendered with a second round pick and nobody would be calling, and Shanny new this thats why the lower tender so when he signs it's for less money dumba$$.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please stop peeing in Flonders coffee.

Ahhh...The dynamics of a group.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 31, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

reid is terrified the last of the redskins who will actually speak to him will soon be gone, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Vinny sucked, no way around it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | March 31, 2010 12:42 PM |

Are we still debating Vinny? Wasn't he fired? Do you think a dead horse can still run? Hell, even before he was fired he was already a dead horse.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd switch gears of Bradford and Okung are gone and take SUH,


Here's the upside:

You stay with the 4-3 most of the time. You revitalize and please Haynesworth. Carter remains hand in the dirt DE, benefitting again from having Haynesworth next to him.

You keep Orakpo playing DE on oass downs, Daniels on run downs and rotate Jarmon into the mix, making him no longer too light for a 3-4 end, or too slow for a linebacker.

Alexander happily goes back to tackle rotation along with Golston.

Fletcher goes untouched plays five more years.

Rocky Mac returns to his regular position OLB..


You still focus on turnovers, teaching rip techniques, gang tackles and slapping the ball away from the QB.

The extra pressure in the middle from Suh and Haynesworth, opens up the outside rushers, Oarkpo and Carter & blitzer.

QB's can no longer plan on throwing deep, DBs can play tighter, increasing chance of ints.

It makes so much sense, it will never happen.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

What's this? A Jason Reid article about why JC should be the starter no questions asked? I AM SHOCKED.

Seriously, the mancrush continues.

Despite all his flaws, Rex Grossman will be under center at some point -- maybe even on opening day. The biggest reason? Jason Campbell does not attack defenses -- he never has, no matter the personnel or scheme. It is simply too hard to score with him under center.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | March 31, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

In business, you hopefully learn that your competitors have smart guys -- that it isn't likely you are really much better than they are.

If Shanahan knows Bradford will be the next Elway, then he must take him. The problem is that Shanahan can't "know" this. Lots of people have pointed out how top QBs picks have turned into disasters. NO one understood QBs better than Bill Walsh. He got Joe Montana, Steve Young and Jeff Garcia. But he only drafted a QB in round 1 one time -- it was Jim Druckenmiller.

History clearly shows that a lot of smart guys have missed on predicting QBs. So the real issue here is this. Its what Shanahan knows versus what he thinks he knows. I think it comes down to Shanahan's ego.

Point 1: The OL is bad. That is a fact.
Point 2: Bradford will be great. That is a guess.

If the 2 Degrees (BA and MS) convince themselves that 'Bradford will be great' is a fact -- then its Bradford. If mgmt picks Bradford, it will be about ego over logic.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Are we still debating Vinny? Wasn't he fired? Do you think a dead horse can still run? Hell, even before he was fired he was already a dead horse.

Posted by: League-Source

"He who doesn't not learn from past errors, is doomed to repeat them"--Churchill, or Mark Twin, or Carrot Top, not sure which.

Its not beating a dead horse, it's waking up the day after the divorce is final and reminding yourself, next time choose more wisely and put in a Pre-nup.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I want to thank J Reid for once again stating the obvious -- as far as Campbell being the best option for 2010.

"Washington has pursued several second- and third-tier tackles so far in free agency - Chad Clifton, Tony Pashos and Barry Sims - and whiffed on all of them."

Reid this is just irresponsible on your part. You know damn well that if the Redskins really wanted any of those AGING guys they would have thrown the bank at them. Everyone, except for you obviously, knows that these guys visiting Ashburn was just to get their dollars up.

La Canfora used to have a reason to have a negative slant when it came to the Redskins because of the non-existent rapport between him and Snyder/Cerrato.


What's your reason other than being an asstool taking shots for no reason?

Oh wait, nevermind....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Are we still debating Vinny? Wasn't he fired? Do you think a dead horse can still run? Hell, even before he was fired he was already a dead horse.
Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 12:50 PM

No, now we’re just bashing Jason Reid. My turn.

YOU ARE SO DUMB I DON’T KNOW WHY THE POST HIRED YOU, YOU BIG DUMB JERK. I KNOW WAY MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN YOU. HA HA. YOU ARE LAZY AND STUPID AND NOBODY ON THE REDSKINS WILL TALK TO YOU. HA HA! AND BY THE WAY I AM AWESOME. YOU WISH YOU WERE AS AWESOME AS ME. HA HA!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 31, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Who's to say they wouldn't be able to find starting caliber tackles in the early 2nd round?

No one is saying this, but the team needs a LT, and a RT, and has only 1 second round pick. So if you take a LT in the second, you then have to go dumpster diving for a RT in the 4th round.

corky, you might be onto something there...I'm ok if they draft Suh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Which OT would you like to see land here after falling to 11?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

There are a bunch of them kinda grouped together after Okung is off the board. Bulaga will probably be taken top 10. So that would probably leave us with either:

Anthony Davis
Bruce Campbell
Trent Williams

to choose from. I'd take one of those and then maybe a guy like Roger Saffold in round 2 (although I would also be tempted to take Jhavid Best to give us some much needed speed and big play ability at RB).

That would make our roster look like:

QB - Campbell - Grossman
RB - Portis - Johnson
FB - Sellers
TE - Cooley - Davis
WR - Marshall - Moss - Thomas - Kelly - Mitchell
LT - Davis
LG - Dockery
C - Rabach
RG - Williams
RT - Saffold


Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it but I agree. Campbell doesnt wow the pants off me either, but he gives you the best chance to win next year, and egos aside, everyone at Redskins Park wants to at least improve the win/loss record next season. I have said before that Bradford or Clausen or any other QB in this draft for that matter isn't the second coming of Peyton Manning. You draft O-Line first AND second rounds this season, and if a QB in the 4th tickles your fancy then by all means take a project and let Campbell play behind a new line this season. If you were to hit on BOTH O-line additions, and they were to be mainstays for the next ten years, then you either use the latter rounds to take said projects, or you wait till next year and find that QB. Teams do not know what next off season will be like and the chances that there are better players on the free agent market are likely. I mean hell Mcnabb technically could be a free agent next season and if Campbell walks and Mcnabb is able to roam about the market, you don't think Shanny & Allen & Danny for that matter won't kick the tires on ol' #5?

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | March 31, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Please. Have another team invest in Campbell.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 31, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Cork, your Suh case makes a lot of sense....as a fall back position, worst case scenario if Bradford/Okung are off the board.

I still think the best use of the pick would be trading back if at all possible. If taking Suh is the worst thing that happens, it won't suck, but i don't think I'll be the only one wondering "what if...".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If no changes are made to the O Line, then Michael Vick would be the guy. Anyone who can run for their life stands a better chance than Campbell.

Posted by: MadeRED | March 31, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman will be under center at some point -- maybe even on opening day. The biggest reason? Jason Campbell does not attack defenses -- he never has, no matter the personnel or scheme. It is simply too hard to score with him under center.

Posted by: MylesMonroe

Yeah Grossman will be under center, but it won't be on opening day.

OTAs, Minicamp, practice -- take your pick.


People act like Jason hasn't been handcuffed for most of his time in the NFL. If it wasn't Gibbs making him "pick shocked" then it was Zorn with his feebleminded coaching ways.

Campbell has a long ways to go, no doubt about that.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 31, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Here's the upside:

You stay with the 4-3 most of the time. You revitalize and please Haynesworth. Carter remains hand in the dirt DE, benefitting again from having Haynesworth next to him.

You keep Orakpo playing DE on oass downs, Daniels on run downs and rotate Jarmon into the mix, making him no longer too light for a 3-4 end, or too slow for a linebacker.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse


In my opinion, any plan that doesn't have Orakpo as either a full time RDE or full time pass rushing/ Demarcus Ware type linebacker... is a faulty one. Let Carter be the part time guy being filtered in and out with Daniels and Jarmon and I agree with everything else.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It makes so much sense, it will never happen.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse
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I'm with you on the Suh/McCoy bandwagon. If we are *stuck* at #4 looking for someone to pick, what's wrong with getting more beefcake on the Dline?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

madered, haha, yeah, thats right...can Usain Bolt play qb??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how JR can just state that JC isn't in the Redskins long term plans because they haven't offered him a long term deal.

The truth of the matter is that they don't have to make that decision yet. If he gets to the season and is lights out, he gets an extension. If not, he doesn't. Simple as that

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Did Matt Ryan sit on the bench for a year? Did Ryan Sanchez sit for a year? Did Peyton Manning?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I am really surprised at how people are so impressed with Okung. While he is rated as the best OT in most respectable charts, the drop off in talent to the next 5-6 OT is not that big...if he is not there, I wouldnt mind taking the next best OT...or, even better yet, trade down and take two of these 5 which Scouts.com rates:

Russell Okung
SR 6-5/300/- Oklahoma State Richmond, TX


OT 2 Trent Williams SR 6-5/290/- Oklahoma Longview, TX
OT 3 Bryan Bulaga JR 6-6/290/- Iowa Woodstock, IL
OT 4 Bruce Campbell JR 6-7/310/- Maryland Hamden, CT
OT 5 Anthony Davis JR 6-6/325/- Rutgers Piscataway, NJ
OT 6 Rodger Saffold SR 6-5/306/- Indiana Bedford, OH

WE DO NEED A NEW QB also...Colt Mcoy is my preference. Maybe with the #37 pick. Then again, the OT of the Ravens can be had for that price also...

Posted by: double50 | March 31, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Well it's all out of our hands and all we have is to offer our opinions on things, whether they are serious or not and have fun with it and this is very enjoyable to read.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If we take Suh and run a 3-4:

Haynesworth - Kemoeatu - Suh
Orakpo - McIntosh - Fletcher - Carter
Hall - Rogers
Landry - Doughty

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Run Awaaaaay from Jahvid Best.

There are concussions, and then there are concussions, and that guy got JACKED UP!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"He who doesn't not learn from past errors, is doomed to repeat them"--Churchill, or Mark Twin, or Carrot Top, not sure which.

Posted by: TheCork | March 31, 2010 12:55 PM

George Santayana. (Jorge Agustín Nicolás Ruiz de Santayana y Borrás) His other biggie was "Only the dead have seen the end of war." I bet he was a lot of fun to have a cerveza with.

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Rutgers offensive tackle Anthony Davis(notes) conducted a crisp private workout for 11 NFL teams on Tuesday, and his impressive showing is expected to solidify his status as a top 15 draft pick.

Davis didn’t take part in the Rutgers’ Pro Day workout three weeks ago due to a sore hamstring and a stomach ache, drawing some criticism from NFL teams who were eager to watch the 6-foot-5, 325-pound New Jersey native.

This time, Davis performed in every drill and met with teams.

He’s scheduled to visit the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday. He also has visits scheduled with other teams drafting within the top 10 and top 15 overall picks.

"Anthony’s a good kid," Davis’ agent, Sunny Shah, told the National Football Post today in a telephone interview. "That stuff was overblown. He did everything they wanted to see. He did very well. He showed good feet for a big guy.

"When you see him move at 325 pounds, it’s very impressive. He’s 100 percent healthy now and is looking forward to the draft."

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Well it's all out of our hands and all we have is to offer our opinions on things, whether they are serious or not and have fun with it and this is very enjoyable to read.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 1:11 PM

Yesterday I thought you were a political speech writer. You denied it. Dr. Pangloss?

Posted by: League-Source | March 31, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Did Matt Ryan sit on the bench for a year? Did Ryan Sanchez sit for a year? Did Peyton Manning?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse
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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"why would the Redskins risk ruining a rookie quarterback's psyche playing behind a line that pass protects poorly?"
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Is this football or an episode of Maury Povich, "Emotionally fragile athletes... and the women who love them."

Brady was sacked 41 times his first year as a starter (Pro Bowl and Super Bowl that year), McNabb was sacked 45 times his first year as a starter (Pro Bowl that year). Steve Young was sacked 47 times with the Bucs in 1986.

So if we draft a QB whose psyche is "fragile," then we are in big trouble to begin with.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 31, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Run Awaaaaay from Jahvid Best.

There are concussions, and then there are concussions, and that guy got JACKED UP!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think he'll be a better pro than CJ Spiller. Every bit as fast and explosive and probably more likely to have the ability to be an every down back.

Can't have a fear of every player who's had an injury. He'll be a steal in the 2nd round for someone.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato, the former GM of the ‘Skins, loves Clausen and defended him this week in the Washington Post, attacking several of the draft gurus who believe Clausen doesn’t have the necessary leadership skills or maturity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. As GM, Cerrato was commissioned to spend time learning all about Clausen. He had several conversations with Mike Shanahan during the season, and Cerrato actually thought he would remain in his position once former head coach Jim Zorn was fired. But Cerrato had the rug pulled out from under him when he was also dismissed, and even though he’s on the outside, he is still a consultant for the team. So his information on Clausen will be used and will be considered valuable, in large part because he still remains friends with the owner and the new head coach.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-diner_morning_news_do_the_skins_want_clausen_html-2010331&prov=nfp&type=lgns

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Still think outside of Bradford, that Dan LeFevour is the second best QB in the draft, and could be available in the 4th round. Or we could trade back into the 3rd to get him.

"I got a Fevour, and the only prescription... is more cowbell"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 31, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd switch gears of Bradford and Okung are gone and take SUH,


Here's the upside:

You stay with the 4-3 most of the time. You revitalize and please Haynesworth. Carter remains hand in the dirt DE, benefitting again from having Haynesworth next to him.

You keep Orakpo playing DE on oass downs, Daniels on run downs and rotate Jarmon into the mix, making him no longer too light for a 3-4 end, or too slow for a linebacker.

Alexander happily goes back to tackle rotation along with Golston.

Fletcher goes untouched plays five more years.

Rocky Mac returns to his regular position OLB..


You still focus on turnovers, teaching rip techniques, gang tackles and slapping the ball away from the QB.

The extra pressure in the middle from Suh and Haynesworth, opens up the outside rushers, Oarkpo and Carter & blitzer.

QB's can no longer plan on throwing deep, DBs can play tighter, increasing chance of ints.

It makes so much sense, it will never happen.

Posted by: TheCork


I've agreed with this all along. I'd prefer to take OL with most, if not all of our draft picks. Still, if there is no OT worthwhile at #4 and Suh is there and is the beast everyone thinks he is (I don't know since I've never seen him play) -- you take him.

I'm not a fan of the 3-4 switch, the front 7 were good last year, its the secondary needs the makeover.

If we do draft Suh, I do think it opens up the ability to trade a D-lineman and get help for the OL that way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Did Jack Ryan sit on the bench for a year? Did Mark Sanchez sit for a year? Did Javier Manning?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 31, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Fixed it for ya

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 31, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to be to critical about JReid. But if Campbell has a career year he's not going to another team and start all over again. And I doubt the shanny's would let him go and start over agin with yet another QB, unless they already have their heir apparent on the roster.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 31, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think he'll be a better pro than CJ Spiller. Every bit as fast and explosive and probably more likely to have the ability to be an every down back.

Can't have a fear of every player who's had an injury. He'll be a steal in the 2nd round for someone.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 31, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse
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Not doubting his physical skills. I'm doubting that he will be any different than any player who has had a serious concussion (Portis, Westbrook, Trent Green, Aikman, S. Young, etc.)

My point is, he's got one ringer left, and then it's retirement. I wouldn't touch him about the 4th round for that. Hope the guy has a great career, cuz Im not about wishing people get hurt, but not for us. Not for us because I dont trust it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Todd McShay backlash builds
Posted by Mike Florio on March 31, 2010 12:56 PM ET
Many NFL scouts have a sore spot for failed NFL scouts who enter the media and attempt to critique the work of NFL scouts who have not yet failed.

Even more NFL scouts have a sore spot for guys who were never NFL scouts, couldn't be if they wanted to, and then attempt to critique the work of folks who became NFL scouts.

Once upon a time, Mel Kiper was the primary target of NFL scouts; Kiper has been supplanted by his on-air protege/rival at ESPN, Todd McShay. As McShay's profile increases, and as he takes on the likes of quarterback Jimmy Clausen for reasons that many league insiders believe have no merit, McShay becomes a magnet for criticism.

"Most people at my level feel he is a joke," a veteran NFL scout told us via e-mail. "People in the league respect Kiper. He is not a true scout but he does work at it. A lot of his info he gets from connections in the league, and over the years he has made quite a few. When he was younger he used to burn some bridges. He doesn't do that any more."

Continued:

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 31, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The best option would be the quarterback that earns the job through competition. We've seen what has happened when the job is handed to someone we end up 4-12

Posted by: pathmo | March 31, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Tim Kawakami, of the San Jose Mercury News, reports the Oakland Raiders could either ask QB JaMarcus Russell to take a pay cut or release him should the team acquire Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb or any other high-profile quarterback in the offseason. Russell has previously said he would not accept a pay cut.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Well LS, I got jumped on this morning for trying to make a comical statement, just like everyone else does,and I'm trying to take the high road. Not sure why I got singled out but oh well. Just here for fun.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Jreid just used 500 words to proclaim a simple fact:

"He is unqualified to write professionally about an NFL team, and is now on record as believing whatever he reads on Profootballtalk.com"

How can an entry like this even be taken a little bit seriously? So because Shannahan is being vague re: draft and pther plans, that means JC is clearly not in the long term picture?

This is sad. The Post and the fans deserves better than this.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 31, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

See Jason run. Run, Jason, run.
See Jimmy watch. Watch, Jimmy, watch.

I've got a bad feeling that the Redskins are going to draft Clausen and then draft the best OT available in the second and fourth rounds. I don't like this vision because starting left tackles don't often come out of the second round.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 31, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Det,Was,KC,Sea,Oak,Buf,GB,Ind all needing OTs. Bal,SD,Phil might be looking to the future at the OT position. Are we sure a day one starter will be there @ #37?

Posted by: TWISI | March 31, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

westjr:

Did you know the WARD's who ran a restaurant just outside the courthouse going toward GLOUCESTER? JOHN was a good friend at school. Last I heard he was going to PENSACOLA to fly jets. I've heard nothing of him since 1965.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 31, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Best Option:

Colt Brennan at QB behind an O-line with a 1st and 2nd round draft pick on it.

Draft Jake Locker next year.
=====================================
Worst (and most likely option):

Jason Campbell behind a horrible patchwork line with a 2nd choice QB watching from the sidelines.

Posted by: mac2j | March 31, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Aaron Wilson, of the National Football Post, reports South Florida CB Jerome Murphy said the Baltimore Ravens and Washington Redskins have had a lot of contact with him. Murphy said, "I like Baltimore. They showed a lot of interest. I've met with them and I had a real good feeling with them and the Redskins. I like other teams, too, but you get a certain vibe with the Ravens and the Redskins."

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Tim Kawakami, of the San Jose Mercury News, reports the Oakland Raiders could either ask QB JaMarcus Russell to take a pay cut or release him should the team acquire Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb or any other high-profile quarterback in the offseason. Russell has previously said he would not accept a pay cut.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:23 PM
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So, now we are getting feedback from the West Coast version of Mr. Obvious Journalist.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 31, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | March 31, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

For anyone to profess to know that JC is out and a new QB signed in the draft is the future of the Redskins would be O' so foolish.

If it was that simple then we would have a new Super Bowl champion every year.

Nobody knows for sure what is going to happen this coming season. JC might not play a snap, or in Shanny's system he might excell beyond expectations.

He could be the bust that some say he is or he could the answere at QB to lead the Skins back to the SB.

For anyone to surmise that JC is definitely out next year and one of the prized rookie draftees are in is like The Best Made Plans Of Mice and Men.

Morons, complete morons.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 31, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If we take Suh and run a 3-4:

Haynesworth - Kemoeatu - Suh
Orakpo - McIntosh - Fletcher - Carter
Hall - Rogers
Landry - Doughty

If we take Suh, I think we'll scrap the hybrid 3-4 plan and stick with the 4-3. Shanny has indicated that he will run the systems that best fit our talent, and a rotation of Haynesworth, Kemoeatu and Suh at D-tackle could be lethal. Besides, we haven't yet been able to acquire the LBs that we need to run the 3-4 successfully.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 31, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm this coming from someone who's not a scout, coach, GM or maybe even played the game tell us J Reid what is your expertise? The one issue i've had with the skins for years now is they have good young healthy lineman yet they never give them a chance...that is until one of the old farts gets hurt and then they get thrown in. They know for the most part they won't play and don't get reps in practice so the learning curve is puts them behind...now that there is a new regime and they've looked at the film on some of these youngsters they realize they can fill some O-line holes with the some of the guys they have. Don't get me wrong I loved/respected Bugel but I feel his best days were behind him and he didn't really work at/or with those young guys to get them ready and they hung on to long with the old vets while they saw and knew they were breaking down...

Posted by: papaskynz | March 31, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

We get it Mr. Mayor, you like Campbell.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | March 31, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

westjr:

See you're making friends with the local trolls westjr. Don't take it personally. They're full of beans - especially L_S. If this is enjoyable keep it up. You'll settle in with the regulars around here. If this isn't your cup of tea, well.....How long have you been a REDSKINS fan?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 31, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Det,Was,KC,Sea,Oak,Buf,GB,Ind all needing OTs. Bal,SD,Phil might be looking to the future at the OT position. Are we sure a day one starter will be there @ #37?

Posted by: TWISI | March 31, 2010 1:25 PM

Exactly.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 31, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

honks

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 31, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007:

I remember hearing of Ward's restaurant but it pre dates me just a little.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What every team needs is a LEADER as a QB, like Manning, Brees, Brady,McNabb....look for that and you found your QB!

Posted by: BTWUR | March 31, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Another interesting idea I heard was possibly swapping picks with Denver. They get the #4 pick, we'd get Brandon Marshall and their #11 pick.

At that point we take the best OT on the board.

Sounds good.

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 31, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bruce, you don't have to draft a OL with our first pick. Just remember that PLEASE!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 31, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Jason gets a grade of D- for the headline of this post. You must have talked with the front office and gotten conformation that we will not be drafting a OT or two in this years draft. Can you share the source?

Posted by: MajorFacemask | March 31, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Best Option:

Colt Brennan at QB behind an O-line with a 1st and 2nd round draft pick on it.

Draft Jake Locker next year.
=====================================
Worst (and most likely option):

Jason Campbell behind a horrible patchwork line with a 2nd choice QB watching from the sidelines.

Posted by: mac2j | March 31, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse
_____________

Please don't even start with the Colt Brennan nonsense. He's not even close to a starting-caliber QB and probably never will be.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 31, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Stop ripping on my main man Jason Campbell, dudes! JC has done nothing but improve since he became a Redskin. No, he hasn't become the franchise QB that we expected when trading picks to get him, but he has been solid in a time of uncertainty. As Reid stated, he's been completely professional and dependable in the midst of the worst era in Redskins history.

Prediction - If we let JC go next year, he WILL succeed elsewhere. JC is a warrior.

Hail!

- CG

Posted by: STisMyMainMan | March 31, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Agree 100%.

Jason assumes the Redskins will draft NO ONE to help the OL and that NO TRADES for a Gaither or other signings will occur in the offseason.

Things are WAY to premature at this stage to make ANY statements about what the team is going to look like come the opener in September.

That's FIVE MONTHS AWAY.

Five months ago, Jim Zorn was still the HC of this team and Shanahan was only a rumor.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 31, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@papaskynz,

Great stuff, especially since we know that we are going to have a real football camp this year. I've always felt that the young guys go maligned unfairly.

As Spurrier usta' say, coachemup', this year it will be trainemup'. There is a difference.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | March 31, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I really need to stop reading these posts because many of you folks have no clue.

Please WAshington Redskins trade Jason Campbell. Heck, just cut him and let him walk. no other NFL team will want him. Draft Clausen. there's 5th to 7th round LT ready to start for the Redskins. Let these fools, excuse me "real Redskin fans", get what they deserve.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 31, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007:

I'm offshore of Atlantic City right now and my signal isn't
real good but I will catch back up this evening .

Posted by: westjr88 | March 31, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bruce, you don't have to draft a OL with our first pick. Just remember that PLEASE!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 31, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Nothing but JC hate from skins fans. I guess all the hate must be coming from those that have never played a down of football a day in your lives and have been so successful at Madden!
He's not the fanciest QB out there, but a better option than any QB we've had other than Brad Johnson or Mark Brunell. Have we forgotten the Tony Banks, Patrick Ramsey, Rob Johnson, Danny Wuerffel and Jeff George debacles? JC has been 10x better than any of them. I know it's about W&L's, but he can't do it by himself. We had no running game and in games we led, with how soft they had the DB's playing, they gave up big touchdowns late in games last season. At least he didn't throw 26 interceptions like, let's say, Jay Cutler?! He's our best immediate solution so until someone else can beat him out, give dude some support.

Posted by: QSkinzfan | March 31, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

You JC haters need to stop. Explain to me how you can expect so much from a QB when the O-line can't give him enough time on a 3-step drop back. You people are really showing your lack of football knowledge. He doesn't drop balls.. He can't block for himself.. and he doesn't call some of those stupid a$$ plays. Fuss about finding an offensive line. If he doesn't perform under a good line, then belittle him!

Posted by: musketeer1972 | March 31, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Run Awaaaaay from Jahvid Best.

There are concussions, and then there are concussions, and that guy got JACKED UP!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 31, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Agree. Our own "Gatorade" Barnes earned his nick rocking Best, adn that head plant he did was scary as hell. Guy has had two MAJOR discombobulating head shots that have let him seriously concussed.

In this new age of social concussion conciousness, Best is a very risky pick.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 31, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with MylesMonroe - Chapman knows the offense and is willing to attack the defense. He'll be the starter at the beginning of the season. Campbell doesn't know the offense and has never shown the willingness or ability to attack a defense. Campbell will ride the pine if he isn't traded.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 31, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

You wanna see risky? Watch this JB highlight reel...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMORdRpg54Y
First, please notice ball security. Second, please notice how most every step is more explosive than the last.
Third, wwWWWWHHHATTT?!?!! The kid is just 'selly!' A nasty, explosive runner who blazes through seams. Even with a concussion like the one he had, we could still get a solid 5 years out of him (probable contract length anyhow). I say if he's there, and we got ourselves an OT with the first pick, take him!

Posted by: ScoGrass | March 31, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

JReid's asinine opening statement that "Regardless whether the Redskins select a quarterback in the NFL Draft, it is clear Jason Campbell no longer is part of the franchise's long-term plan" is flat-out wrong. It contradicts everything the team has said so far. The Redskins' reality is much more nuanced than JReid's ham-fisted, no-shades-of-gray view. Campbell may well be part of the long-term solution, IF he plays well, and IF the draft breaks a certain way and we don't get Bradford, etc. It's way too early to tell. The first-round tender vs. 1st-and-3rd tender point is ridiculous. No wonder the Redskins front office and the Washington Post have such an antagonistic relationship.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 31, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

There's not much about this RI report that I like. JR's stating the obvious about Campbell's being the best choice for this season... at least to begin with. But the tender doesn't indicate he's not part of their long-term plans. It indicates he hasn't proven himself yet, and it's hard to argue that he has. If he adjusts to Shanahan's system and has a stellar year, everyone will want to keep him. (But don't count on it happening.) It's hard to argue anything about the offensive line yet. They are to be applauded for not overpaying any of the people you mentioned. (They didn't "whiff" on them.) There's a lot to happen yet. The draft and the post-draft free agency (both dropped players and UFA's) will yield a few players. Who knows what the Skins will do in the draft. They may trade down and get both linemen AND a backup QB to experiment with. Who knows? But why act now like the Skins aren't doing anything to help the line, and say that Campbell has been written off? Neither seems to be true at all.

Posted by: OintheSierras | March 31, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If they don't draft a QB this year, can they replace JC next year with a veteran free-agent QB? What not-too-old, not-too-bad QBs will be free agents next year that would be an improvement over JC? Will there be any?

Posted by: Dan4 | March 31, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If Suh is available at 4, they should take him. Even if Okung or Bradford are available. It's like Orakpo last year luckily falling to 13. Having King Kong on the D line for the next ten years isn't something to turn down.

The skins won't make the playoffs next year no matter what they do and 2011 looks like a strike year. The best moves on their part will be to take whoever the best player available is regardless of need.

If 2011 isn't played, then will there be a draft in April 2012? If so, how will the draft order be determined. If the skins stink next year, they may get two years of good draft picks as a result instead of one.

Posted by: Kidhorn | March 31, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen is the pick unless he has a bad pro day.

This is a done deal

mike/kyle/Bruce/Dan

they are all on the same page. Bradford and Tebow are smoke screens.

If we can get Jared Gaither for a second, it a done deal.

Trade JC17 if you can and start Grossman until the new JC is ready.

Brennen is the # 3

That's it... That's the list

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 31, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

i disagree that the 'skins tender offer tips any sort of hand with regard to campbell's possible long-term status with the team (or, even, as a franchise player).
the tender offer and the accompanying required draft pick compensation if another team signs is based solely on the money offered by the team. thus, regardless of how the redskins view campbell, they think that his value, based on his performance over his career, is worth the $3 million dollar value (and it is this alone that has a bearing on the draft pick compensation). sure, the fact that his past play doesn't merit compensation that would receive 1st and 3rd compensation, but that doesn't mean that a fair offer leads to the conclusion that the team doesn't think he has any potential.

Posted by: bacaje | March 31, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid, I'm sorry but this entire blog entry was pure nonsense. Plenty of teams take a "wait and see" approach with their key players in contract years, and the Redskins are no different. For you to assume that the team will not re-sign Campbell even if he has a career year is really a stretch. I'm not sure what part of "wait and see" you don't understand Jason, but believe me there is decent chance the Redskins will want to re-sign Campbell if he has a big year.

Posted by: Barno1 | March 31, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If Bradford is available at 4, I predict that we will draft him, and make some draft day trades. Cooley for a 2nd, Carter for a 2nd or 3rd, and Campbell for a 3rd. With the additional picks bolster the o-line, take our punches next year and start Grossman then hand the team over to Bradford. Just my prediction.

Posted by: I_95 | March 31, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Geez, I guess we'll just have to start calling this blog 'Redskins Outsider'.

Posted by: RiverRat56 | March 31, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Reid give it up.. we all know you have this HUGE MAN CRUSH on Campbell.. but he is a LOSER. I doubt Shanahan is that stupid to start the year with Campbell.. but even if he did it would be like last year.. a lot of short dump off passes, a lot of 3 and outs and a lot of losing. Shanahan can start the year with Grossman. he's a veteran that knows the system. Campbell will be traded... yes he's terrible but there has to be a least one team out there dumb enough to give up a late round draft pick for him..

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I support Cambell. If he was 15 in the league last year with that busted line...I bet he could make it in the top 10 with a decent line an a decent coach. Shouldnt a top ten Qb and a top 10 D make for a playoff team.

Or we could Draft Cerrato's boy Clausen...which the team will never do if there smart. Danny needs to distance himself from his past.
if its change we can believe in.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | March 31, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why you would not fix the o line and improve the running game and keep campbell? Last year the o line was a joke and we had no running game and Campbell still managed to be mr. average QB.

Posted by: drpolarbear | March 31, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"If the season started tomorrow..." You mean if the season started before the draft? It seems to me that this post should have been down after the draft. There is no guarantee that The Redskins won't draft an OL with the #4.

Posted by: clark202 | March 31, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

This article is obviously written from the Jason Reid point of view, the POV that I do not agree with. Yes, Clownble was an efficient passer, but as you'll recall, 75% of his passes were thrown BEHIND the line of scrimmage.

Many of the throws beyond the line went several yards to the left, right, over, under, you name it, even one throw landed in the third row of the stands.

To try and predict from now that Clownble will be able to absorb Shanny's offense and play even to the 4-12 level that the Skins displayed LAST seaons is a stretch.

Personally, I'm fed up with Mr. Reid's opinion of Clowble and would like to see another WaPo columnist take up the Redskins daily beat, but I guess we're stuck with this guy.

Posted by: dc1020008 | March 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Clausen is the pick unless he has a bad pro day. This is a done deal
mike/kyle/Bruce/Dan
they are all on the same page. Bradford and Tebow are smoke screens.
If we can get Jared Gaither for a second, it a done deal.
Trade JC17 if you can and start Grossman until the new JC is ready.
Brennen is the # 3
That's it... That's the list
Posted by: byrdinthesky
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Sounds likes a good plan to me..consider me onboard..

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Let's also not forget that many of Clownble's "great" stats were gained in garbage time, when the Skins were out of games (for example - see "almost" comeback vs. the lowly Lions).

Posted by: dc1020008 | March 31, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Washington had one of th worst O-lines in the league last year and they've lost two of their better, albeit oft-injured, lineman in Samuels and Thomas.

They have a solid center and a decent guard (in Dockery). Otherwise, it's a reach.

Nothing else should be addressed until this is fixed. That they've grabbed one decent backup center/guard over the offseason is a mystery to me.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 31, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Get real.

There is only one thing that Shannahan is signaling. JC will have a chance to compete this year with a clean slate and hopefully an OL. That is it. It is the best that JC could hope for and the smart thing for Shannahan to do.

JR, when you make stuff up, please try to base it on a solid premise.

Posted by: boomer5 | March 31, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

There's no point in arguing with the JC haters on here. In their world it's all about wins and losses, even though there are two dozen other starters on the team contributing to Ws and Ls besides Campbell. I can point out how badly Brett Favre and Tom Brady (and others) played this past season when they didn't have protection or a running game. I can point out that Landry, Rogers, and Suisham single-handedly gave up a few games -- but it's still Campbell's fault.

I'm NOT saying Campbell is a great QB, but this year he was better than half of the starting QBs in the league while having:
1. A bad play-calling system for which he was allowed no input
2. A running back mess
3. A coach promoted past his level of capability
4. Non-stop drama with players and management
5. An injury-riddled O line that was like Swiss cheese (except when our RBs needed a hole to get through)
6. A defensive secondary that was half asleep

How can anyone tell me that, with decent improvements in those areas, JC won't be in the top 10? And if you agree with that, why is that a bad plan? That's been my prediction since mid-season, and I'm sticking to it -- JC in the top 10 in '10.

Lastly, if anyone missed when I wrote this during the season, Campbell performed better than most top QBs in history did in their third full seasons as starters. Look up the stats and ratings. The QBs who are great from season one or two are very rare; most don't even hit their strides until season five or six.

Case in point -- Joe Gibbs seriously thought about ditching Theismann, who'd already been the starting QB for four seasons (1978-1981) with mediocre results, but Theismann got them to the Super Bowl twice right after that. Likewise, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien were "nobody" QBs before their Super Bowl seasons.

Campbell can be a classic great Redskins QB in the same vein. Not the kind who can blow up any defense and play any offensive scheme -- but the kind who can be a rock-solid leader, play manager, and big-play threat when he has the right tools around him.

Posted by: Andrew53 | March 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Campbell is not in the Redskins' plans after 2010. And, if Bradford is available at #4, take him. You can still get a decent OT in the 2nd round.

If Bradford is gone at #4, however, DO NOT TAKE CLAUSEN!!!! He sucks!

Take an OT or trade down, and take that guy from Fordham in the later rounds.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 31, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Campbell. He didn't deserve to be treated like the Redskins treated him. Despite that, he handled himself with class and he didn't look as bad as many QBs would behind a joke of an offensive line.

To those questioning his red zone TD troubles: I don't think it's that surprising because his 1 and 2 receivers weren't tall enough to throw fades to in the corner of the end zone.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | March 31, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

LAME QUARTERBACK would have been a better title

If JCampbell gives you the best chance to do anything, you don't have a very good chance at all. Divisional games, especially against the Giants let you know this guy is will always finish where "good guys" finish LAST. Nobody wants him, The Burgundy and Gold don't really care for his services, cut the cord already HE SUCKS

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | March 31, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

BigTrees u look at his stats 10 th in game passing yard 20 tds 15 int 55/38 td int for career Jason is better then heath and ramsey as a 1st rounder. every one can look at how bad team was and yes its a reflection on qb too but the team put around him sucks. Jason improves every year. I dont know why JC haters have so much anomosity towards Campbell. Do u people not want him to succeed or is everyone brain washed to want a golden child white qb.. Its easy to look and fined Campbell weakness do to a losing season but in those games he does alot of stuff well despite lack of talent to other teams.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 31, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

hicks is NOT a center-guard he is a tackle-guard with many starts in the nfl (including SB) rabach is a piss poor excuse for a center and hardly by any stretch of the imagination a solid player. if the o-line situation is not fixed this year and rabach and heyer are starters again look for another 4-6 win season. many morons here think you can win without a solid o-line and running game. shanahan is NO certainty to win games this season his last couple of yrs at denver were not good at all.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 31, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I love JC as our QB. But if Shanallan has determined that he is NOT our long-term answer, then the time to trade him is NOW, before we lose him as an UFA next year. Grossman can teach the newbie (Bradford/Clausen/McCoy/Tebow) the system and prepare him to be the fulltime starter in '11. Take as good a package of draft picks as we can get, and start over. We have NUMEROUS holes to fill, and not enough picks to do it with.

Posted by: DCtoDE | March 31, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was a big bright spot this year despite a team poor year. Out of a hand ful of guys on this Campbell, Flecther, Orakpo can basically hold a team mvp. Who doesnt like the fact Campbell showed great toughness , put up decent numbers getting killed every game. ANd didnt fold under front office and coach disagreements
he had to help rookie wr and help develope them . no running game no oline and people bash him because he the qb if he was great he should have one. Then logically haters dont know football

We have never had a franchise qb and never will if fans b>i>t>ch and complain about any qb that comes here. Name a qb last two decades that put up decent numbers in a skins uniform at qb.
Skins won with 3 different qb and the only black qb in history to win a Super Bowl , and i believe with the right resource , protection and ground game Campbell has qualities to be that guy

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 31, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"New" information in this post:

[Campbell might be best b/c] why would the Redskins risk ruining a rookie quarterback's psyche playing behind a line that pass protects poorly?

Otherwise this is all rehash from previous posts and stories, and the "new" only conjectures idly, without a source. Which is to say this isn't any more useful than bar banter.

RI is tracking down. I got excited briefly when Reid took over, because JLa, though good, seemed to have gotten himself at least partially blacklisted with the team. Now Mr. Mayor isn't even rabble rousing. The blog allows you some journalistic leeway. Take a risk, but don't just blow your own smoke.

It's Redskins INSIDEr. INSIDE. PLEASE. NOW.

Posted by: WorstSeat | March 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

And how come McCoy has gotten short shrift? Of the top 4 QBs in this draft, he's the most likely to be there at Pick #37, and I've read virtually NO MENTION of him in Shanahan interviews to date. Is there some reason that he's down on McMoy?

Posted by: DCtoDE | March 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskins lack of scoring in redzone can say wasnt just based on Campbell. No running back could get in the endzone, lack of playing calling that was consrvative and the fact no wr could get open and esp when teams where double teaming moss and/or cooley at times. But we saw the redzone offense get better with sherm lewis because he played to Campbell strengths, rolling out and play action . the fact they have done nothing to sure up the oline to me gives me the thinking they will draft a left tackle. at 4 they are obivously going to look at all option at qb , but at the end of the day Campbell is better this year . Clausen is just another Notre Dame Qb Brady Quinn 2.0 and Bradford may be to injurie prone

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 31, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins lack of scoring in redzone can say wasnt just based on Campbell. No running back could get in the endzone, lack of playing calling that was consrvative and the fact no wr could get open and esp when teams where double teaming moss and/or cooley at times. But we saw the redzone offense get better with sherm lewis because he played to Campbell strengths, rolling out and play action . the fact they have done nothing to sure up the oline to me gives me the thinking they will draft a left tackle. at 4 they are obivously going to look at all option at qb , but at the end of the day Campbell is better this year . Clausen is just another Notre Dame Qb Brady Quinn 2.0 and Bradford may be to injurie prone

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | March 31, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"He produced personal-best statistics behind an offensive line that probably could not have been worse...

Could not have been worse? The dude had a black eye after one game! The only way they could have been worse is if a team actually killed him out there and drove him under the ground for a burial.

Posted by: nojunk4me | March 31, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, a middle tier QB who has improved EVERY YEAR under the worst imaginable circumstances; 2nd tier receivers on their best days, 3rd tier running game - when anyone shows up and an optimistically 4th worst OL in football.

Yep, Jason's the problem - how could I be so silly!

Indeed, zone blocking schemes would make our mediocre linemen seem better and give even a middle-of-the-pack QB more time to select his best target. Shan would do better that Zorn did with that pitiful crew, but, PLEASE, fix what stops the machine before spending megabucks on repairing the least of our offensive woes.

If we put Joe Montana behind our current line, the boo-birds would be out screaming to trade him to, Oh, I don't know, the 49ers.

Not that I wouldn't love some creative moves - Berry if Okung is gone, as Jason said this morning - Gerhart in the second and build OL below that. After all, Shan's hired to be a genius, right?

Posted by: fr3dmars | March 31, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The knock on current “starting” quarterback Jason Campbell is that he is a strong-armed but inaccurate passer who tries to do as well as he can with his limited skill set, but has yet to display the necessary finesse to handle some of the finer points of a modern NFL passing scheme. For example, Campbell appears to have great difficulty in consistently throwing an accurate fade pattern to a receiver running to the outer edge of the end zone -- admittedly one of the most difficult throws in the game -- or consistently completing timing patterns to pass receivers cutting to the sidelines.

Campbell’s defenders will tell you that he is as accurate and effective as any other quarterback in the game, and readily quote statistics that seem to show him to be a middle-of-the pack and improving player. Unfortunately, they neglect to mention that this quarterback seems to rely more than most on a unusually high number of screen passes and other short-yardage “dink and dump” passes to outlet receivers.

All in all, Campbell seems to embody the best attributes of a modern third string quarterback in that he is somewhat competent, relatively quiet (to the point being almost a non-entity when it comes field leadership), respected by many (but not all) of his teammates, and modestly priced. (Despite having played five years in the league and starting for three, he is still working on a rookie contract that will pay him a modest $4 million this year.)

Then the key question becomes, can the Redskins – or for that matter, any other team -- win with Campbell?

Probably not.

After enduring an ever-changing series of coaches and offensive schemes over the past several years, even Campbell admits that he must “unlearn” many of the “bad lessons” he picked up from earlier coaches before he can successfully move on with a new coach or offensive system.

But still, many Redskin Outsiders will tell you that if you surround Campbell with 10 Pro Bowl caliber players, and give him a very simplified offensive scheme, as well as lots of coaching and patience, he may not embarrass himself or the rest of the team too badly.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 31, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

As I said all last season...if you think Campbells play is a reflection of the win-loss record of the Skins, you know little of the sport we Americans call football.

Not only was the line suspect, the running game was David Copperfield-esque, Portis was a lockerroom cancer...but the wide receivers!! Who was a legit starter as WR last year...

Moss.

That's it. So Campbell set personal bests with 1 receiver and 1 tight end. For those of you from another country, most quarterbacks have 3 legitimate wide receivers.

And if you say Campbell sucks because of the win loss record...you have to apply that to the whole team. Yup, everybody sucks.

Repeat after me.

CHRIS COOLEY SUCKS.

After all, he has the same record as Campbell. And every yard he got was a result of Campbell. So you can't say Cooley had a stellar year and Campbell sucks.

These guys work hand in hand.

So be careful with your argument that a win loss record reflects only on Campbell. This is a team sport. And the whole team (yes, even the fan favorites) share that exact same record.

CHRIS COOLEY MUST SUCK!

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | March 31, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Point 1: The OL is bad. That is a fact.
Point 2: Bradford will be great. That is a guess.

If the 2 Degrees (BA and MS) convince themselves that 'Bradford will be great' is a fact -- then its Bradford. If mgmt picks Bradford, it will be about ego over logic.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 31, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@zcezcest1 - your reasoning is accurate but is incomplete.
(IF)
Point 1: The OL is bad. That is a fact.
Point 2: Bradford will be great. That is a guess.

(THEN)
Point 3: Okung will be great. That is a guess.
Point 4: Bulaga will be great. That is a guess
Point 5: Suh will be great. That is a guess
Point 6: Clausen will be a bust. That is a guess.

Bottom-line, there are no guarantees in the draft. Whatever they do with the #4 pick - trade up, trade down, pick a QB, pick o-line, or pick best available player would have been thoroughly analyzed. Remember that they are investing a boat load of money in that pick so I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt that they have done their due diligence.

I believe there is a reason Shanny and Bruce Allen are getting paid millions of Dollars to make that decision and the rest of us aren't.

Posted by: Ejayraptor | April 1, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Amongst all of the Campbell bashing, I would like to ask a few questions...

1. Has anyone else heard rumors about Jared Gaither being possible trade bait for the Ravens for a 2nd round pick? How do RI bloggers feel about forking over #37 for Gaither; a young LT that has experience in the league?

2. If the Skins can deal for Gaither prior to the daft, what do we do at #4? Try and trade back? Take the best available...Suh, Berry, Bulaga, Williams...

3. Why have many Skins fans assumed Jarmon can't play DE in the 3-4? Why have many Skins fans assumed Suh can't play DE in the 3-4?

4. The indictment of Jason Campbell is unfair. We've established the O-LINE was desamated with injuries. We've established Zorn's system, from weights to practice to game planning was flawed...the offense wasn't even allowed to audible out of a hopeless play!! Is it smart to write-off JC?

If you've had time to read all this, fill me in...please!

Posted by: INIOWA | April 1, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Campbell's conduct has been admirable and he played well considering the Skins had the worst line in the league. They'd be stupid to let him go, but that's what this franchise is, alas

Posted by: nadeemsx | April 1, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

INIOWA - you have posted the only sensible comment here. I read everybody's posting's when we were going after that CLOWN from Denver that now plays for the Bears, who by the way, SUCKED. I also read all the posts on that CLOWN that played for NE, that now plays for KC, who by the way SUCKED.

To be effective as a QB, you have to have talent around you. The mannings, brady's all have that. Also, manning has been in the same system, which he knows like the back of his hand, very well. Allt he experts state "IT TAKES AT LEAST 3 YEARS TO LEARN THE WEST COAST OFFENSE", yet you want' JC to know it in a Year. Here are some facts.

Our Coach Sucked
Our Owner Sucked
Our OL Sucked
Our WR's were mediocre
Our RB's sucked

Yet you want our QB to be Joe Montana.

Cassel went 9-7/10-6 with NE when Brady got hurt right. So if it was all about the QB, why didn't he do the same thing with KC. I'll tell you why, NO TALENT AROUND HIM.

You people need to stop.

Posted by: sputnee | April 1, 2010 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Please don't even start with the Colt Brennan nonsense. He's not even close to a starting-caliber QB and probably never will be.

Posted by: skinsfan713


PLEASE! COLT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN CAMPBELL! COLT NEEDS HIS CHANCE AND WHAT JC HAD 5 YEARS AND NO PROGRESS!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 1, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

"Coach Mike Shanahan signaled as much in making the decision to offer Campbell only a first-round contract tender, not a first and third."


Well, apparently Shanahan isn't the only one who hasn't embraced Campbell as a starter. Since Campbell is not yet 28 years old, logic would dictate that if you believe his is worthy of being a starter in the league, you should spend your pick on the sure thing rather than gamble on a draft pick. If Campbell was nearly as talented as all of the commentators think, wouldn't the Bills, Jaguars, 49ers, Seahawks, Browns, and Raiders be eager to deal with the Redskins.

The fact is, Campbell has poor mechanics, his ability to read defenses and react quickly is non existent, and he has no touch on his throws (riffling short balls, while lofting big arcing rainbows on deep throws). While it is undeniable that last year the offensive line was the worst in the league, not all of those sacks over the past four years have been the line's fault. At least 20-30 percent have been the fault of Campbell not being decisive enough to get the ball out of his hands. And his over reliance on outlet passes artificially pad his completion percentage, but often don't accomplish much else.

Fact is, if Campbell doesn't post a break out season next year, he might not get any offers to start anywhere, let alone in Washington, after the 2010 season. He looks to be headed toward a second half of his career holding a clipboard.

Posted by: tkoho | April 1, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Seriously? I understand that there is high demand for Redskins news, but stop regurgitating the same thing.

SHAHAHAN WANTS COMPETITION! Drafting a quarterback supports this claim. It does not support the claim that Jason Campbell is not in the long term plans. Why would Shanahan assume that Campbell is worthless to him - the decision will obviously be made next season - unless a draft trade happens. Why on earth would Shanahan want a rookie starting when chances are they will under-perform in comparison to Campbell.


AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE POSSIBILITY OF DRAFTING A QB AND KEEPING CAMPBELL! DOES CAMPBELL REALLY HAVE THE LUXURY OF COMPLAINING AND BEING A PRIMADONNA? NO! NOT ONLY DOES HE NOT HAVE THE LUXURY, ITS ALSO NOT WHO HE IS AND HE WOULDN"T DO IT ANYWAY. OF COURSE IF HE GETS BENCHED THINGS COULD CHANGE. BUT "REDSKINS INSIDERS" SHOULD AT LEAST BE AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF A 2 QB SCENARIO ESPECIALLY WHEN: 1) SHANNY WANTS COMPETITION and 2) THERE IS NO SALARY CAP. STOP TALKING ABOUT CAMPBELL"S OUSTER BECAUSE ITS MORE GOSSIP THAN NEWS, MORE NEGATIVE THAN POSITIVE, AND MORE TABLOID THAN REAL NEWS, OR ANALYSIS.

If anyone thinks that Shanny's mind is made up about Campbell, they obviously haven't been listening to what he is saying. He is upfront, says he wants competition at every position, and is not opposed to drafting a quarterback.

There is no salary cap this year, and last time I checked teams keep at least three quarterbacks. And to suggest that two high qb draft picks cannot play on the same team has never heard of Steve Young / Joe Montana playing on the 49ers and other examples.

Stories, or the news, are suppose to be NEW! So let's write an original piece instead of the current hot gossip about Campbell. This is not a tabloid, especially if it's suppose to be coming from an "insider."

Posted by: fthomasclem | April 1, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Vic1 wrote:
Campbell’s defenders ... neglect to mention that this quarterback seems to rely more than most on a unusually high number of screen passes and other short-yardage “dink and dump” passes to outlet receivers.

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And Campbell's detractors neglect to mention that these pass patterns were put in place by Zorn and coaches because the offensive line wasn't holding up enough to allow for many (hardly any) longer passes. CAMPBELL HASN'T CALLED THE PLAYS. And the one play we know he called, because his headset was out, was a bomb TD to Moss.

So, get off this garbage that he just threw those dink passes because he's not good or to pad his stats. What a load of [c]rap. That was the offensive scheme handed him and the plays called in to him.

Posted by: Andrew53 | April 1, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Jason needs to be in the shotgun as much as possible. Play him that way or forget about him. The O-line sucks (as I have been saying for at least 5 years) and the receivers are a group of wimps and numbskulls (Randel-El GONE finally).

I think he can succeed. He is better than Jay Cutler who everyone salivated over last year.

Posted by: hz9604 | April 1, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

#4 pick and Devin Thomas to the Broncos for #11 pick and Brandon Marshall.

#37 pick to the Ravens for Jared Gaither.

#11 pick on best available OT.

All other picks used on LB corps.

FA - front-loaded 2 year deal for Darren Sharper.

Fix the other holes in next year's draft and FA, once we know what the cap is.

Posted by: stevebeagrie | April 1, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't care who the offensive line man is could be 60yr old Jake Jacoby, that last thing I wanna see is Jason Campbell trotting on that field with his mouth agape! he is a looser, cant win with him, you can put up all his meaningless late game stats, I,aint buying it he sucks.

Posted by: zimife1999 | April 1, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is the WORST Option.

The guy is half retarded. NO MORE CAMPBELL!!!!!

Posted by: BigQEd | April 1, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

With no changes on offensive line, Campbell might be Redskins' best option
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Is Reid just being stupid with this.. it's April 1st!!! we haven't even had the draft yet and Reid thinks there could be no changes to the OL??? The line will change.. and Campbell will not only not be the best option.. if Shanahan is half the coach I think he is.. Campbell will be GONE!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 1, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Campbell has been set up to fail.... The skins have needed OL for about 5 years now.

Just about the time Jason Campbell has been a Redskin. I don't give a darn who the QB is...without a good OL he won’t be able to do "JACK". Why doesn’t the management get that thru their fat heads??

Jason: leave this disaster of a franchise & come back for another team & their kick a$$es

Posted by: dc4life | April 1, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

If anyone thinks that Shanny's mind is made up about Campbell, they obviously haven't been listening to what he is saying. He is upfront, says he wants competition at every position, and is not opposed to drafting a quarterback.
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Look no one here knows.. we are all speculating on what will happen or saying what we wish will happen.. As far as what Shanahan says he's the head coach he's not going to throw Campbell under the bus. Cause even if he hates him he'll say nice things because he'd still want to trade him. You don't judge words you judge actions.. And let's see Shanahan says he wants competition. (That's a long cry from what Zorn said by this time. that "Jason was he starter") Two.. Campbell has not been signed.. IF Mike though Campbell was his guy don't you think he would have signed him by now??? Three he was not tendered at the highest level (Even Reid who has a man crush on Campbell knows that sends a signal) And lastly he said he PERSONALLY wants to check out all the top QB's in the draft.. Does that to you sound like a guy who wants to draft a tackle in the first round??? Again we don't know.. but if I was Campbell I wouldn't be looking to buy a new home in the area...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 1, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

1. Has anyone else heard rumors about Jared Gaither being possible trade bait for the Ravens for a 2nd round pick? How do RI bloggers feel about forking over #37 for Gaither; a young LT that has experience in the league?
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Heard the rumor and yeah go for it.. we need a LT and we don't even know for sure Okung will still be available at #4.

2. If the Skins can deal for Gaither prior to the daft, what do we do at #4? Try and trade back? Take the best available...Suh, Berry, Bulaga, Williams...
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Are you kidding what the Skins need as much as a LT is a franchise QB. Shanahan will have to judge Clausen (Bradford will be gone) but if Shanahan thinks Clausen can be a franchise QB he has to take him.. I'd even say he has to take him in that case regardless of LT.

3. Why have many Skins fans assumed Jarmon can't play DE in the 3-4? Why have many Skins fans assumed Suh can't play DE in the 3-4? Posted by: INIOWA
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Problem with Suh is he will not be there at #4.. other problem is we have much bigger needs than DL.. OL AND QB!!!

4. The indictment of Jason Campbell is unfair. We've established the O-LINE was desamated with injuries. We've established Zorn's system, from weights to practice to game planning was flawed...the offense wasn't even allowed to audible out of a hopeless play!! Is it smart to write-off JC? Posted by: INIOWA
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Campbell has been here for 5 years.. played in 4 of them. He wasn't good under Gibbs and he wasn't good under Zorn.. to blame it ALL on the OL when Campbell had 6 time pro bowl Samuels guarding his blind side for most of it is just NUTS!!! Not to mention Campbell lost to teams like the Lions, who had NO pass rush. Campbell is not a good QB.. certainly the worst in the NFC east.. BY FAR!!! Redskins ever want to compete we have to upgrade at QB. Just hoping Clausen can be that guy...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 1, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Gee, what a shocker that Jason Reid would suggest sticking with pathetic Campbell for another season. I wonder if JC was a white dude would Jason Reid be of the same mindset.I think we know the answer to that. I saw Bradford talking on TV this morning. The Skins should go after him.

Posted by: theBozyn1 | April 1, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The 2009 4-12 record with one of the oldest teams in the NFL is a sign that the Redskin foundation stinks; at least 1/2 of the team needs to be replaced. This team is not going to be fixed for the 2010 season and it makes no difference who starts at QB next year - an 8-8 record would be an fantastic accomplishment. What does matter is the parts that will permit this team to compete in 2012 are put in place. The fix started with the GM and coach.

Posted by: edeshields | April 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

We are painted into a corner. With no Left Tackled on the roster, it will not matter if Peyton Manning is the QB. They are going to be more involved in dodging the defenders coming in than anything else. Those that think waiting till the second round and grabbing a Tackle, yes Jon Jansen was a great tackle, but he was a right tackle, not a left. The Left Tackle position is different, they handle typically speed rushers with power and have to be able to move laterally very quickly and use their long arms more. If you wait till the second round, you end up with those suited more for the right than left.

Posted by: skins50 | April 1, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Gee, what a shocker that Jason Reid would suggest sticking with pathetic Campbell for another season. I wonder if JC was a white dude would Jason Reid be of the same mindset.I think we know the answer to that. I saw Bradford talking on TV this morning. The Skins should go after him.

Posted by: theBozyn1

If he was a white dude he would be Jay Cutler... You fell in love with Bradford after hearing him talk? That is some metro-sexual shiite right there!!!

Posted by: SPUD2 | April 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Bozyn1, I get it, Bradford had you at "hello".....

Posted by: SPUD2 | April 1, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

if no Bradford and no Oukung...i would try to do the Denver deal...they take #4 and we take # 11 and B.Marshall. If that happens I would take T. Williams and if he isn't there then Rolando McClain. Pick #37 i would try for USC T C.Brown or Selvish Capers T WVU...a reach here would be LSU Ciron Black, but i would take him.

If we keep #4 I would take T Williams or Suh and even Berry would be on my list.

Suh b/c Albert will be gone in 2 yrs. Berry B/c we need him and T. Williams scares me b/c i think he might be a lazy bastard but he can move for a big man

Posted by: toons123 | April 1, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Correct! Campbell is not the long-term solution but he is the solution at least for next year. Re-establish the Hogs offensive line dominance and then begin to fill in with skill players behind it. We are not going anywhere next year so let's build this team the right way for the future instead of a quick fix that does not pan out. DO NOT DRAFT A QB!!!!!

Posted by: mvlee2 | April 2, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Draft a QB! The BEST you can get! Campbell is NOT the answer for even one game... play Brennen or even Grossman... because as we know from Todd Collins even a mediocre QB can step in and do better than Campbell.

Remember 2007 when Campbell was his normal losing self at 5-7 with a 80ish rating? Then Todd Collins stepped in and went 4-0 with a 106+ rating... with the SAME EXACT Offense? Same O-line, same RB's same WR's, same TE's... ya know the ones Campbell always blames for his failures.

We need to get the BEST QB we can get this year in the Draft and allow him to grow from the beginning in the Shanahan system... like was done with Elway and others.

Do we have other needs? Of course, unless your team was deep in the playoff the prior year you are going to have needs. Do we need O-men? Sure... but remember Todd Collins stood behind a line that Campbell said was the problem... a line with all pro Samuels in it. The problem at that time wasn't the line it was Campbell... and he will continue to be a drain on the system if left in. He is at best a backup in the NFL. He has had 0 success to date in 6 years in the league... he is no Rookie and he will not improve enough to be THE QB... so do not waste more time on the bum.

Posted by: BigQEd | April 2, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Scenario#1: We get Bradford, lose Okung and draft none of the other choices for OT,and they select a Defensive player. With no one to protect Bradford, he gets smashed by the Giants, Eagles, or Cowboys. He sits, and then enters Rex Grossman. He falters, and the crowd screams for Colt. We still finish 8-8.

Scenario#2: We get Clausen who some even on here think can save this franchise. What?.. We are suppose to listen to Joe T. because these guys went to the same school, and wore the same number? Bad foot and all, he stinks up the joint, and then the media will write how he cost Charlie Wies his job at Notre Dame. Rex struggles and then the fans in the stadium starts calling for our Hawaiian Savior Colt because this one time in college he did amazing things with a football. Competition wasn't that great, and it showed when he got HAMMERED by Georgia Tech. OOOHHH I love Colt fire people keep saying. GET REAL PEOPLE!

If Portis and Johnson don't have HOGS up front, but still has to run behind DIRTBAGS,you can bet that we will still finish last in the division, and it won't be because of Campbell.

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 2, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

boy you really are a fan of campbell, you must be at the buffet during the games as opposed to actually watching them. one thing is pretty clear to me, campbell is done and is at most a backup this year. grossman will play ahead of him. one thing grossman has done that campbell has never done is actually win a couple of big games.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | April 2, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Reids said: "Campbell ranked 15th in the NFL in passing efficiency with an 86.4 passer rating."

Man, imagine what a Good QB could have done with that Offense!!! Whew... I mean if Todd Collins can step into an offense that Campbell was sub-80's with and get a 106+. IMAGINE what a Good QB, I say good because Collins would have been considered mediocre at best, could do with that offense that Campbell could slouch to and get an 86.4 Rating. WOW! I would have loved to see that... I bet someone like Drew Brees, Brett Farve or Peyton Manning would have brought in atleast a 110+ Rating. *Drools*

Yeah, we NEED a Franchise/Dynasty QB... BAD!!!

It is beyond time to boot Campbell to the curb, play Brennen this year and draft Bradford if possible!

Oh and Jason Reid, stop trying to promote Campbell... you may be buds and all, but enough is enough. The majority (by large margins) of Redskins Nation repeatedly calls for him to be gone. Start listening.

Posted by: BigQEd | April 2, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Do we have other needs? Of course, unless your team was deep in the playoff the prior year you are going to have needs. Do we need O-men? Sure... but remember Todd Collins stood behind a line that Campbell said was the problem... a line with all pro Samuels in it. The problem at that time wasn't the line it was Campbell... and he will continue to be a drain on the system if left in. He is at best a backup in the NFL. He has had 0 success to date in 6 years in the league... he is no Rookie and he will not improve enough to be THE QB... so do not waste more time on the bum.
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100% AGREE!!! Campbell has been a DISASTER the sooner he is gone the better. Skins need above all else a franchise QB.. If Shanahan thinks Clausen can be that guy... he MUST DRAFT HIM!! OL can be taken care of in later rounds or in free agentcy.. remember Russ Grimm was picked in the 3rd round and Joe Jacoby was a FA and they were pretty good.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 2, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I think you folks are harder on Campbell than he deserves. How many times have you seen him complete a pass to a receiver that has one man to beat and that receiver is tackled for no yards after the catch? Is it his fault that his receivers on the field were slow and the opposite of crafty? Notice how the offense improved when they finally start putting the younger receivers on the field? Why did it take so long to put Fred Davis on the field? Was that Campbell's fault?

The highest ranking redskin on the YAC statistic is Santana Moss. He ranked 47th in the league. The next Redskin was Fred Davis at on the list was Fred at 79th. I have been in the camp of the lack of play-makers at the receiver position has hurt the Redskins... Brandon Marshall was 5th last year and the second highest receiver behind Wes Welker.

I would make that deal to get Brandon Marshall and move Santanna Moss to the slot. We wouldn't need much of an O-Line with that combination.

Posted by: truthbeknown | April 2, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of who the Redskins draft, Campbell is their best option for 2010. Clearly Shanahan knows this which is why JC was tendered and not signed to a long term deal. This way he can be evaluated by, while playing for, a real NFL coaching staff. On a personal note, Jason Cambpell has been everything a professional athlete should be. A) He's a true professional who works hard and generally keeps his mouth shut. B) He has had to deal with 3 systems in 5 years (only four of which he actually played) yet kept his head down and put in extra time to learn each system. C) He hasn't complained about his (lack of) offensive line like a certain runningback. D) He doesn't do or say things to embarass himself, the organization, or the city. E) He has improved statisctically every year despite playing 2 years for a coach who was way too conservative and 2 years for a coach who was in way over his head, and a lack of talent beyond the #1 WR and #1 TE. I love the Redskins but I hope Jason Campbell has a monster year then leaves for another team. It would serve the organization and all the JC haters (who are unjust) right. For all of you who want JC gone I say, "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. YOU JUST MAY GET YOUR WISH GRANTED."

Posted by: largetony86 | April 2, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope Brennan gets as many chances during preseason. The guy fell apart once he saw Daniels produce. He had a drive down in the Redzone, and threw it right to the defender for PICK 6!.. The Rams will determine his fate. Funny that when I stayed up until 3am in the morning in Iraq, I saw the Eagles in our backfield more than our RB's. Randle El didn't help at all, and the already Vanilla/Non Offense was extremely bad when you're playing from your own 15, 20 yard lines. What would have happened if Cooley never got hurt? Zorn would have never played Davis, and Kelly is still the biggest no show out of all the receivers. He said Mitchell had a problem running routes. Kelly should have been benched and Mitchell should have been the other Wideout, with Moss in the slot.

I want to know who feels comfortable having Heyer, or Levi blocking for them if they were Quarterbacking?

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I hope Brennan gets as many chances during preseason. The guy fell apart once he saw Daniels produce. He had a drive down in the Redzone, and threw it right to the defender for PICK 6!.. The Rams will determine his fate. Funny that when I stayed up until 3am in the morning in Iraq, I saw the Eagles in our backfield more than our RB's. Randle El didn't help at all, and the already Vanilla/Non Offense was extremely bad when you're playing from your own 15, 20 yard lines. What would have happened if Cooley never got hurt? Zorn would have never played Davis, and Kelly is still the biggest no show out of all the receivers. He said Mitchell had a problem running routes. Kelly should have been benched and Mitchell should have been the other Wideout, with Moss in the slot.

I want to know who feels comfortable having Heyer, or Levi blocking for them if they were Quarterbacking?

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Reids said: "Campbell ranked 15th in the NFL in passing efficiency with an 86.4 passer rating."

Man, imagine what a Good QB could have done with that Offense!!! Whew... I mean if Todd Collins can step into an offense that Campbell was sub-80's with and get a 106+. IMAGINE what a Good QB, I say good because Collins would have been considered mediocre at best, could do with that offense that Campbell could slouch to and get an 86.4 Rating. WOW! I would have loved to see that... I bet someone like Drew Brees, Brett Farve or Peyton Manning would have brought in atleast a 110+ Rating. *Drools*

Yeah, we NEED a Franchise/Dynasty QB... BAD!!!

It is beyond time to boot Campbell to the curb, play Brennen this year and draft Bradford if possible!

Oh and Jason Reid, stop trying to promote Campbell... you may be buds and all, but enough is enough. The majority (by large margins) of Redskins Nation repeatedly calls for him to be gone. Start listening.

Posted by: BigQEd

When did Collins post a 106+? Was that his last 2 games combined? He came in for Campbell in the KC game, hit Moss for one big one then proceeded to do squat! I stand corrected, he did get sacked for a safety on a must score drive in the KC game.

Posted by: largetony86 | April 2, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with people calling JC a "bum" or "loser." He may not be the best QB in the world but he's no bum or loser. Those labels should be applied to players who don't practice or spend more time flopping like a fish out of water and sucking oxygen. JC, despite his shortcomings as a player, is a class act and doesn't deserve to be personally attacked.

Posted by: largetony86 | April 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell does bear some responsibility for the many sacks last year. He's slow, deliberate and predictable. Having him for another season as a true lame duck QB would be a setback for the Redskins. I would say it is time to fish or cut bate, but the boat is sitting in drydock with Campbell at QB.

Posted by: KokoMike | April 2, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

When did Collins post a 106+? Was that his last 2 games combined? He came in for Campbell in the KC game, hit Moss for one big one then proceeded to do squat! I stand corrected, he did get sacked for a safety on a must score drive in the KC game. Posted by: largetony86
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I was when he replaced Campbell in 2007. After Campbell lead the team to 4 loses in a row Collins came in and with the same team, coaches and gameplan won the next 4 games. He had a 106+ QB rating and was voted NFC offensive player of the month. And this all from a guy who hadn't played in 10 YEARS!!!! Gibbs called it the best performance off the bench he ever saw. Now yes this is is going back a few years but it was the only time we got to really compare Campbell to Collins.. Personally I'd of liked to see Collins start a few games under Zorn just to see how he'd do but Zorn make a decision to sink or swim with Campbell.. Well we saw how that turned out.. glub.. glub..

Posted by: sovine08 | April 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

to who said we can get OT in later Rds... i agree some what, lil more risk but they are there. NDame's Sam Young, VT's Ed Wang, Iowa's Calloway, UVA Will Barker. Texas A. Ulatoski...a few that i like in the late rd's.

Posted by: toons123 | April 2, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it's silly to say that he's not in their future plans simply because they only gave him the first round tender. If he goes out and has a great year, I'm thinking he would be very much in future plans. Giving him just the first round tender signals only that they thought they could keep him at that price, and they were right.

Posted by: corky1031 | April 2, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I support Jason C. I am 47 and have been a skins fan for 40 years! He has what it takes.

Posted by: sheffx | April 2, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I support Jason C. I am 47 and have been a skins fan for 40 years! He has what it takes.

Posted by: sheffx | April 2, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

i like him...he's a lil better then avg.

Posted by: toons123 | April 2, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

sheffx wrote: "I support Jason C. I am 47 and have been a skins fan for 40 years! He has what it takes."

What is it exact he has? Down Syndrome? Because he sure the hell doesn't have football talent.

When a Todd Collins smokes you, you know you suck. Campbell is an absolute bum.

His family members need to stop posting... its embarrassing.

Posted by: BigQEd | April 2, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

For the person that asked about Collins 106+ QB Rating in 2007... Collins played 4 games at the end of the 2007 season. He won all 4 games. With the exact same O-Line. same RB's, same TE's... same everything.

Here was the score and his rating for each game. The NYG game was a running game more than passing... and everyone has a bad day... but atleast on Collins bad day the team still wins because he allowed the running game to thrive, it wasn't just about him.

Games under Collins 2007:
vs CHI W 24-16 Rating - 144.6
vs NYG W 22-10 Rating - 56.4
vs MIN W 32-21 Rating - 124.8
vs DAL W 27-6 Rating - 104.8

Basically... this shows one thing... with the same Redskin Offense even a mediocre QB can do well. Sadly our starter for 4 years (Campbell) isn't even mediocre and the fact that Collins smoked him that bad, proved it. Sadly we had Zorn for the next 2 years and he let Campbell continue. Any Coach with half a brain would have realized that Campbell wasn;t the guy after Collins stepped into the same offense and did so well.

In wasn't the line, it wasn;t our WR's, it wasn't our RB's and it wasn't our TE's the last 4 years... it was our P.O.S. QB... Jason Campbell. It's time to remedy that.

Posted by: BigQEd | April 2, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

So Jason still hasn't gotten a fair chance to prove himself - with a real OL, a top notch WR, and a homerun threat RB. Jason has done AMAZING with the sparseness he has to work with! I told friends not to bet against Gibbs when he drafted Desmond Howard - who went on to become a Superbowl MVP. I'm not betting against Jason either.

Posted by: artsnsportz | April 3, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

It makes no sense to assume Campbell is not part of the long-term plan. He has steadily improved and with a decent line would be a top-tier QB. Obviously you need a solid backup and a kid you can groom as an eventual replacement, but if JC continues to improve the Skins would be wise to keep him as starter and build around him for the next few seasons.

Posted by: gregguevara | April 3, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I blame the media.

Posted by: wizard5 | April 3, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

For the person that asked about Collins 106+ QB Rating in 2007... Collins played 4 games at the end of the 2007 season. He won all 4 games. With the exact same O-Line. same RB's, same TE's... same everything.

Here was the score and his rating for each game. The NYG game was a running game more than passing... and everyone has a bad day... but atleast on Collins bad day the team still wins because he allowed the running game to thrive, it wasn't just about him.

Games under Collins 2007:
vs CHI W 24-16 Rating - 144.6
vs NYG W 22-10 Rating - 56.4
vs MIN W 32-21 Rating - 124.8
vs DAL W 27-6 Rating - 104.8

Basically... this shows one thing... with the same Redskin Offense even a mediocre QB can do well. Sadly our starter for 4 years (Campbell) isn't even mediocre and the fact that Collins smoked him that bad, proved it. Sadly we had Zorn for the next 2 years and he let Campbell continue. Any Coach with half a brain would have realized that Campbell wasn;t the guy after Collins stepped into the same offense and did so well.

In wasn't the line, it wasn;t our WR's, it wasn't our RB's and it wasn't our TE's the last 4 years... it was our P.O.S. QB... Jason Campbell. It's time to remedy that.

Posted by: BigQEd | April 2, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I hope you realize that the end of the 2007 was 27 months ago, the Redskins played 32 regular season games since then and replaced the head coach twice and the offensive coordinator twice. The Redskins had a disfunctional front office and perhaps the worst O-line in the NFL. Campbell might not be the long-term solution, but he certainly hasn't been the problem. If you actually watched games in 2009 (ignore 2007 as no NFL coaches are going back multiple seasons to analyze an opponent neither should you), the wrong colored jerseys were often in our backfield in full jail break mode. It's not easy for any QB to read the defense and look at primary, secondary and tertiary receivers when you have a DL or LB in your face or you are ducking or sprinting to avoid a sack.

Posted by: youcanthandlethetruth1 | April 3, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

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wow.. JReid sure does like Jason..
He fails to mention, not only JC's W-L record in his conference, 4-21, but also the stat that wins games.. TD efficiency. And JC is in the bottom of the league last year and for nearly all QBs in NFL history (210 out 219).
Its about winning, not just stats.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 31, 2010 12:46 PM


Wow back atcha....the last I saw, Football was a team sport. Now you're going to peg the wins and losses on JC? How about that lousy offensive line (it was offensive alright)and the mediocre special teams, and the raw head coach (and I'm not too keen on our wide receivers either...it was their job to get open and they didn't). You're a fool if you think JC is a bad QB because he's been on a 4-20something team? I would almost guarantee that every successful quarterback stood behind an equally successful line. I'd like to see how well Peyton or Drew, or any successful QB would have been behind the Redskin's O-line of the last few years. Get real. It's team sport.

Posted by: pig_skins | April 3, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop with the Collins led us to the POs BS? For the record, TC started and won 3 games. 3! He came in for an injured JC in the 13th game (tied 10-10 vs Chi- JC 90+ rtg) of 2007. Furthermore, TC allowed Saunders to open the playbook because TC had been in AS system for years. The entire organization played better for their fallen player, ST #21. Besides, that was JCs 1st full season as starter AND he was running a system he had studied for all of 3 mos. Also, that 2007 team finished with 9 wins, and JC QBed 5 of those wins. Please tell me how, TC gets all the credit for us reaching the POs when he won only 3 starts? As far as the 4 game losing streak before TC- Buff game, Gibbs double TO, we lose. Philly game, up big in 2nd half, defense blows game, we lose. Did you guys notice who JC/Skins lost to that season? Patriots-SB runner-up. Giants- SB Champ. T.B and Dall- PO teams with tough Ds. G.B- 13-3. That's losses to 5 tough teams for a 1st year starter

Posted by: HogheadGs | April 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

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