It's Minicamp Friday (Updated)

As Jasno mentioned in his last post, he'll be out for a while because of the death of his mother-in-law. Jason Reid and Paul Tenorio will be blogging.

Here's Paul's first file:

The first practice is expected to start in a few minutes at 11 a.m. and run until approximately 12:30. Afterwards, Coach Zorn, Jason Campbell, the rookies and a few other players will be talking to the media and we'll try to see how Campbell's first practice under Zorn went and what it was like to be throwing to some big targets out there.

Greg Blatche won't be talking until after the afternoon session, which is expected to run from 3:25 until about 5:00 PM. We'll be blogging throughout the day, trying out best to fill in for JLC, so keep checking in here to Redskins Insiders for quotes and updates from the Skins' first minicamp of the year.

They're running some 11 v. 11 right now (at 12:39). Devin Thomas just took his first rep in this drill and downblocked on a running back reception. No rooke receptions yet...

Rookie tight end Fred Davis just saw some action (at 12:48) with the first team, lining up in a two tight-end set with Chris Cooley. The two ended up on the same side of the line and the reception went to...running back Marcus Mason on a swing pass the opposite way. The two rookie wide receivers meanwhile have taken reps with the second, third and fourth units meaning no Campbell-to-Thomas or Campbell-to-Kelly combos yet. We have seen many different formations and it feels like real Redskins season out here -- as evidenced by Fred Smoot's trash talking after breaking up a pass. Practice just ended so more to come soon.

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Comments

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

lets get it crackin'

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

found this on WIZARDS insider...

My rag!!!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 1, 2008 7:28 PM

nice. really.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hope this is the start of many years of success by the Z-man.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling we'll be getting a few more threads this afternoon.

I'll start thinking of some things to complain about so I can have enough hate to spread over several topics of conversation.

Posted by: Dorf | May 2, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, you have no idea how I'm looking forward to that.....good times....

Posted by: Greg | May 2, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

This is what I am talking about. Hopefully everything will go well today.

Posted by: jm220 | May 2, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

from rdeskins.com

Tryouts

The Redskins will have five players participating in mini-camp on a tryout basis. The group includes three tight ends.

Maryland tight end Jason Goode, who participated in the Redskins' local college workout on April 4, is back for another look.

Steven Tate is a defensive back out of Hofstra who also was at the local college workout.

Jay Sonnhalter is a tight end out of East Carolina.

J.T. Mapu is a defensive tackle out of Tennessee.

And the fifth tryout player is someone with the last name of Davis. He's a tight end.

Couldn't be Redskins rookie second-round pick Fred Davis, obviously. Couldn't be fellow rookie Kellen Davis of Michigan State--he was drafted by the Chicago Bears last Sunday. Couldn't be former Maryland Terp Vernon Davis--he's with the San Francisco 49ers.

Hmm. Stay tuned.

Posted by: JD | May 2, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Also from redskins.com

Boatman Released

I was just informed that offensive lineman Shannon Boatman has been released. He did not pass his physical.

Boatman was among 13 undrafted rookies signed by the club last Monday. He played his college ball at Florida State.

And I've finally identified the "Davis": it's Brandon Davis, a tight end out of Northern Illinois.

Posted by: JD | May 2, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

JD, thanks for the updates.

Posted by: Greg | May 2, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Paul will be a good fill in for Jasno, misspellings and all: "trying out best to fill in for JLC".

Posted by: Mark in 21132 | May 2, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

It could work Mark in the Future.

Maybe Cindy has been grooming Paul and JR to be Janso's heir. This is just another test to see which would allow the RI the least amount of transition issues.

A strategy Danny Boy has yet to succeed at.

Posted by: Dorf | May 2, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

disappointing about boatman. i had high hopes for him. i'd like to see SOMEONE surplant fabini.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

disappointing about boatman. i had high hopes for him. i'd like to see SOMEONE surplant fabini.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 11:34 AM

My man from New Mexico will be doing that!

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 2, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Love the much more positive tone JReid sets around here.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

. . . or Paul, or Cindy. Whoever is reporting today.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Curz, I'd like to see that happen. We need some big young cats on the line.

Posted by: Greg | May 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

i hope so. i'm not as familiar with him as with boatman, but if he can do it, i'll be thrilled. At this point, i'm wondering what position Rinehart will end up filling.

I'd prefer him as more of a RG/RT than a C/RG, which seems his likely destination.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

whats everyones feelings on lorenzo? i really want him to stick to one side of the ball... i'd prefer him as a future guard.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Who is the backup left tackle? Heyer? Fabini?

Posted by: JD | May 2, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it... there's someone out there who has such a problem with me that he posted a comment attributed to my nickname on another blog?

Good grief... surely there's counseling available for issues that deep.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Greg, this guy has football player written all over him. Just smaller college player. Perfect for Buges.

TSH, I think that Rinehart will be pushing Kendall this year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 2, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Ok...since things seem to be going well, I have to have something to complain about...

Why isn't Blache talking until this afternoon...what's he hiding?

Posted by: sicwidit | May 2, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Love the much more positive tone JReid sets around here.

Posted by: | May 2, 2008 11:41 AM

For those blogging in from outside the area, the weather today in DC is gorgeous. One of the four or five really great weather days that the populace is allowed to have.

On the depth chart last year, Heyer was officially behind Samuels and Wade was behind Jansen.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Nate maybe it's CL. You know he has a man crush on you.

Posted by: jm220 | May 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I think the Lorenzo will start playing on the DL this year as a tackle. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 2, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I think what Blache might be hiding could be either Waldo or Carmen Sandiego. Seriously, on media events, the coaches talk when they are directed to talk. Jason Campbell sells more tickets than Greg Blache.

Also, other than Type I diabetes (which they presumably knew about when they signed him), what might keep an undrafted rookie from passing a physical?

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Is it pronounced "blotch" or "blosh"?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

disappointing about boatman. i had high hopes for him. i'd like to see SOMEONE surplant fabini.
Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 11:34 AM
Maybe he'll land on a team with someone named roabin. They would make a very dynamic duo.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

11:25 a.m. ET
Special Teams Work

You know that the Redskins are back when you hear special teams coordinator Danny Smith yelling instructions to his charges. As every fan who attends training camp in August knows, Smith's voice carries far.

Jim Zorn spent the early part of the morning practice watching Smith's special teams work. So did Greg Blache. (New assistant coach John Palermo worked with the defensive line.)

Makes sense. Special teams is vitally important, of course. But special teams is where you can find future starters.

Most special teams players are running backs, tight ends, linebackers and defensive backs, so there's plenty for Blache and Zorn to evaluate.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Wouldnt be the same without JM calling out CL at the start of minicamp.

Nate, I think its blash

Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Good Q Mr. in the PDX. Cindy?

[I think when I wrote "blosh" the other day, I might have been slotched.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

greg, i agree rinehart will push for time at guard this year, but he was a very good tackle. the guy is huge and could make a great replacement for jansen at some point.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

+++For those blogging in from outside the area, the weather today in DC is gorgeous. One of the four or five really great weather days that the populace is allowed to have.++++--DCSWEEN

Ah yes. In the Los Angeles are we have a term for that kind of weather. "Tuesday."

If I'm not mistaken that mess in the SE is heading your way, so batten down.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 2, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

From someone at some website... probably linked to before, but it changed my mind about how we drafted, at least the first 3 picks.

"Washington averaged 22 points a game against NFC East opponents last year, but the Redskins need to generate more offense than that. The team committed to three offensive receiving weapons with its first three picks, adding wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly as well as tight end Fred Davis. There's a good chance the development of quarterback Jason Campbell and the new additions will add up to increased scoring -- but did the Redskins do enough to get pressure on division quarterbacks? Last year, the Redskins sacked Eli Manning four times and only gave up two touchdown passes against the Giants. Washington sacked Donovan McNabb five times and allowed four touchdown passes to the Eagles. The Redskins got to Tony Romo twice, while giving up four touchdown passes. So in six games against division opponents, Washington generated 11 sacks and gave up 10 touchdown passes. Washington's decision to skip the pass rusher and generate more offense looks like the right way to go."

Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

My favorite coach to watch on the sidelines during a game is Danny Smith. If I didn't know better, I'd guess that on game days he downs a cocktail of caffeine, high fructose corn syrup, ephedra, and adreneline ... but in reality, he doesn't need it. He could be a poster boy for Red Bull.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

On the Type 1 diabetes front...just found this on Broncos QB Jay Cutler.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3377828

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

from redskins.com for those unable to get to their website.

11:40 a.m. ET
Quick Observation During Drills

At the far end of the field, assistant head coach-offense Joe Bugel is working his linemen through the blocking dummy. The sounds echo throughout the practice fields.

Looks like undrafted rookies must earn their logos. While veterans and rookie draft picks have the Redskins logo on their helmet, undratfted rookies wear blank, burgundy helmets.

Chris Meidt is managing the quarterbacks early on. Starting with Jason Campbell, then Todd Collins, then Sam Hollenbach and finally Bret Meyer, they're working on fine-tuning their footwork.

Later, quarterbacks gathered at midfield and worked on accuracy. Meidt set up a net with three targets on it and had each of the quarterbacks throw into it from about 10 yards away.

Off to the side, 20 yards away, wide receivers gathered to work on running out patterns. Last two in line were draft picks Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. Both looked very fluid running their patterns.

Posted by: JD | May 2, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

get it? Boatman and Roabin? Dynamic duo? Cmon, this is grade a stuff people.....
Is this on?

Posted by: dlhaze | May 2, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

5 TCCLs for Jasno for giving us a new thread despite losing his mother-in-law.

Posted by: Dorf | May 2, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think Kerry Brown is our future starting guard. Rinehart needs to play tackle.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/kerrybrown.html

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze, been there (often), done that (often) ...

____________________

" ... Sometimes I crack myself up up here ... slaying myself ... and get nary a word of response. Tears of a clown ... jibba jabba is not for the faint of heart, ..."

Posted by: dcsween | April 29, 2008 1:38 PM

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

TSH, I agree that Rinehart will be playing tackle, but not this year. He will start out at guard, then move to tackle. That will give us time to groom two other young guys to play guard next year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 2, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It seems like Rinehart is a right-side guy. Maybe Bugels can fix that over time, but it makes more sense to play to his strength initially. Besides, if Thomas goes down this year, do you really want to see Fabini at RG again? I don't.

Posted by: jcook | May 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone going to the Wizards' game tonight?

Posted by: 4th | May 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

dc

you always crack me up.....wish i had you wit and comic timing......all check out clayton's article on espn's nfl page....he lays out my repeated theory quite well....

Posted by: Old School | May 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Fabini's a gonner.

Assuming none of our starters go on IR before the season, my bold prediction for our 4 backups:

Rinehart
Brown
Heyer
Wade

This is assuming, of course, that either Rinehart or Brown can be a backup center. If not, Brown is bound for the practice squad and we keep pucillo. My fear is that if Brown goes to the Practice squad, he'll get taken by someone else. According to the video on nfldraftcountdown, the guy has potential to be a future probowler at guard. we need to find a spot on our 53 man roster for that guy.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

if he's a future pro bowler, why wasn't he drafted.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Q: How do the Dallas Cowboys spend their first minicamp?
A: Studying the Miranda Rights

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

pucillo will be retiring b/c back injury.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Isn't App St a Div 2 school? They rarely get drafted.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Ah, it feels like football season. Smoot trash talking and Dallas Cowboys jokes.

Can't wait until September!

Posted by: P Diddy | May 2, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"if he's a future pro bowler, why wasn't he drafted."

why wasnt tom brady drafted before the 6th round?


Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

our favorite, the tom brady 6th round logical fallacy arguement. yes yes these udfa kids are all be stars for years!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

What did you guys do to CL? Where is he at?

Posted by: jm220 | May 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Old School, mighty nice of you to say so ... and re: Clayton, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would care much about offensive linemen. Still, props.

tsh, Fabini demonstrated that he was more of multi-purpose/utility lineman than Wade. I say Fabini stays, Wade goes. Agree to disagree.

Finally, the Tom Brady in the 6th round "meme" is slowly (and painfully) becoming replace by the Romo undrafted meme. F both of those memes by the way (well, not the meme, just the player).

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the only thing impairing the rise of the Romo undrafted meme is the limitation on ego space in the Dallas lockerroom. When he heard about the Romo meme, Terrell Owens demanded a re-negotiation of his contract, specifically for the T.O. mememe (with an additional incentive-based option me).

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

if he's a future pro bowler, why wasn't he drafted.

Posted by: | May 2, 2008 12:48 PM

Kurt Warner, Rod Smith, James Harrison, Priest holmes, Jeff Saturday, Adam Vinateri, just to name a few that werent drafted and have had "pretty good" careers....

Posted by: Club 320 | May 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It's Friday - chRIs laRry is having quiche for lunch and attending sensitivity workshops.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I'm trying to summon his presence by sprinkling Fs and memes all over the place.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

i could have used antonio gates... great OGs come from the bottom half of the draft or go undrafted ALL THE TIME. Its rare a team drafts a guard before the 3rd round anyways, as good starting-caliber guards can be found in the later rounds. if a kid doesnt go to a big school, no ones going to look at him. if you watched the video with brown, you would be impressed, not only with his play, but also his attitude and desire to learn. this is definitely a guy bugel could "coach up."

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

just sayin, projecting star status on udfa whose never played a down in nfl is a stretch.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!

I may be in the minority but be is one of my favorite Redskins! He's arrogant and talks smack (like all corners should), and he plays with heart. Who said Carlos Rogers is better than Smoot???

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!

Can't wait to here some smack with Smoot and the rookie CB we just got!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | May 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

With Smoot and Tryon you will not need crowd noise during games. They will bring all the noise needed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 2, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

HOW BOUT DEM NATS!

Posted by: 4th | May 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

More to the point about udfa's or players in lower rounds.... since gholston and montgomery, as well as torrance and doughty and even heyer... our team is actually expecting them to pay dividends and get significant PT and be 'coached up'.

Which obviously is a stray from our long standing formula of paying for all top notch FA starters and hoping no one gets hurt.

**************Bold prediction of the offseason... Frost isnt on the roster come camp. ************

Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

just sayin, projecting star status on udfa whose never played a down in nfl is a stretch.

Posted by: | May 2, 2008 1:02 PM

Just sayin, projecting star status on early round picks whose never played a down in nfl is a stretch. Ryan Leaf, Heath Schuler, Robert Gallery, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, Maurice Clarett.
The point is, dont be so enamoured with the round of the pick. The best teams have built thru youth. The Pats have done an awful lot with UDFA...

Posted by: Club 320 | May 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Frost will be lucky to be on the roster after this weekend.

Posted by: jcook | May 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Has Mix gotten any reps w/ first team...?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

good point 320 and even better jcook

Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Mix is carrying Danny Smith around the field on his shoulders so Smith can see all of the action. There's more to Special Teams than meets the eye.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope Mix gets a shot, but he'll have to fight for the number 3 or number 4 receiver slot. 6'5" is really a "big" receiver. We've got some weapons, we just hope we have the right triggerman.

Posted by: sicwidit | May 2, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Mix is in the package where we have six wideouts, two TEs, Betts, and Lorenzo Alexander at center/H-back. ALL the weapons at Campbell's disposal.

See, this new offense is craaaaazy.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

just taking issue with host saying how super fantastic some udfa will be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Call me a pessimist, but I think that there is too much of a "Buges can coach up anyone to all pro level" attitude up here. I like him, but if he was as great as hailed on this blog, wouldn't we have had more than just Samuels making the pro bowl every year? Buges under Gibbs 1 had some great successes, but what has he done lately? The only surprise success I can think of since he came back is Heyer, and IMO the jury is still out on that one......none of the lineman we have drafted since 04 has made any sort of impact. In the 05 Seattle playoff game they were afraid to even put the "backup" in (one of his great "projects" Molinaro, maybe?, or the other drafted lineman from 04). Heyer was played last year out of dire need, and again, I wouldn''t rate him more than serviceable. Let's keep in mind that all of out starters on the o-line were established either with us or with other teams before Buges came back. I think we all need to realize that they do indeed need to draft/sign guys who are at a high talent level; don't expect any more Heyer's to just come in undrafted and be studs just because of Buges....
Having said that, I like the looks of this new guy Rinehart, but he was a 3rd rounder, so IMO he's already ahead of the curve.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Yo losers, I gotta work!!!!!!!!

Quiche???? Never touch the stuff...

Go chock on some Boch Choi JM220....I am wolfing down a bison burger like a real man....

Posted by: chRIs larrY | May 2, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

What do we know about this Gant kid who came from the same school as Mighty Meidt? Between Thomas and Kelly, and at least a couple more UDFA receivers, seems like it will be pretty crowded at pass-catching practice. Maybe Moss and Randle El will be the only holdovers from last year's receivers?

Posted by: jcook | May 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If someone could post the body of the Clayton article, I'd be appreciative.

Posted by: Greg | May 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

WTF!?!?

They suspended Songalia for the game tonight....

F LeBron James and his cry baby tactics

Posted by: 4th | May 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

And people please, enough with the thinking the UDFA are savious.....you bring in a bunch hoping 1 sticks. I am pro UDFA....but lest be realistic, some of you act like they 10 future pro-bowlers.....perspective, its a beautiful thing...

And I agree with dlhaze...Buges is a great coach, one of my all time all times....but he isnt an alchemist.....go ahead and ask him, I am sure he prefers to have studs than "Can you coach up these walk ons?"

Posted by: chris larrY | May 2, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

From the other paper:

"Everybody is expected to practice except linebacker Rocky McIntosh and cornerback Carlos Rogers, both of whom are recovering from major knee surgery; reserve tight end Tyler Ecker; rookie safety Kareem Moore; and rookie quarterback Colt Brennan, who's recovering from a hip operation."

What happened to Tyler Ecker???? Did they break his heart by drafting Fred Davis?

Note to jm220: cL is back.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Dockery being worth $49 million contract = Buges

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

cL, you mean like:

Q. Coach Bugel, do you think you can coach up Pete Kendall?

A. What kind of moron are you?

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Stop faking CL. You know you are eating a salad you punk. lol

Posted by: jm220 | May 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Dockery being worth $49 million contract = Bills freaking out after the new CBA b/c no one has any idea how the market for O-line would recalibrate

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Really, there is nothing like a spinach and ham quiche with a glass of Chardonnay. It's very elitist and very manly.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | May 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, speaking of crazy offense...

How about a tackle eligible formation...but which tackle to throw to?

Posted by: Stumped | May 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Yo Anon, obvie Buges rulz, not my point...my point was he prefers dudes with some you know talent and ability...shocking I know.

Dockery was a draft pick, not a UDFA....

Whats the hate on Kendell up here, that dude is a masher, unsung hero of last season in my book. I admit tghough my book has pictures and big type...

Posted by: chris larrY | May 2, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

sween- Maybe Ecker is busy re-resculpting his body?

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Considering how much the Jets paid to get Faneca as a FA, maybe we should have traded Kendall back to the Jets for a high draft pick at the end of the 2007 season.

Posted by: jcook | May 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

F quiche

Posted by: chris larrY | May 2, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - with the large number of new weapons acquired for Jason Campbell to throw to, we won't be using offensive tackles anymore. Cooley and Davis can line up as "pretend" tackles.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Retro model doesn't fit modern game
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: April 30, 2008
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An interesting trend was crystallized during last weekend's draft. Teams are trying to go retro, reaching back to pattern themselves after championship teams of the 1970s or the 2000 Baltimore Ravens. They are emphasizing the running game.

As it turned out, the 2008 draft enabled those thoughts to grow. It was a draft that featured offensive tackles and running backs, not wide receivers capable of taking an offense to the next level. Ten receivers went in the second round; none were selected in the first.

What concerns me, though, is the increasing belief that it's better to win on the ground than it is through the air. Obviously, if a team has a bad starting quarterback, the simple solution is to use more handoffs, eat up the clock and hope the defense can keep things close heading into the fourth quarter.

Let's not be fooled, though. The trend, despite the pass-prohibiting 2008 draft, is for passing offenses to thrive. Officials aren't calling as many ticky-tacky holding penalties, so quarterbacks aren't facing as many second-and-20 situations. Passing yards per game have been rising the past three years. Scoring is up for the past three years.

And, remember, to win a Super Bowl, you have to find a way to beat Indianapolis' Peyton Manning or New England's Tom Brady, the gold standard for quarterbacks in this league. Their teams score at least 24 to 27 points a game.

The Falcons, Lions, Panthers and Dolphins lead the charge of teams going retro. Panthers coach John Fox clearly is going back to the philosophical roots that took Carolina to the Super Bowl after the 2003 season. He drafted RB Jonathan Stewart and used next year's first-round pick to trade up for 322-pound tackle Jeff Otah, one of five 300-pound offensive linemen added to the team this offseason.

[+] EnlargeRex Brown/Getty Images

The Panthers need a healthy Jake Delhomme to complement their promising running game.

Of the four teams, the Panthers are clearly the closest to winning. They were 7-9 last season despite the loss of quarterback Jake Delhomme, who underwent Tommy John surgery. Delhomme should be back, and he needs to be, because the Panthers' only other option is undrafted second-year quarterback Matt Moore. Armed with an easy schedule, Fox hopes to pound Stewart and DeAngelo Williams behind his bigger offensive line and get to nine or 10 wins.

Where the theory breaks down is with the other three teams. Bill Parcells is rebuilding the Dolphins around physical left tackle Jake Long and whoever emerges among quarterbacks Josh McCown, John Beck and Chad Henne. And until one of these three emerges as a legitimate franchise quarterback, it's going to be a tough road for Miami.

Give the Falcons some credit, though. Even though free agency gave them the retro model with running back (Michael Turner) and reliable place-kicker (Jason Elam), they resisted the temptation to take highly regarded DT Glenn Dorsey and grabbed the best quarterback in the draft, Matt Ryan.

Then there are the Lions. They fired offensive coordinator Mike Martz, whose two-year legacy of passing brought Detroit's offense from 15.9 to 21.6 points a game, a number that could get many teams into the playoffs. Head coach Rod Marinelli, who has turned the offense over to offensive line coach Jim Colletto and added physical right tackle Gosder Cherilus, plans to pound the ball with Tatum Bell and third-round running back Kevin Smith.

Teams tend to forget this isn't 2000 or 1975. The 1970s was a running era because the game was too physical for passing offenses to thrive. Cornerbacks could knock down receivers. The only way to survive on offense was to match violence with violence and wear out the defense with running plays.

The Ravens won a Super Bowl in 2000 with Trent Dilfer at quarterback, but that came at the end of a horrible cycle of quarterbacks coming out of college. In the mid-to-late 1990s, teams sent undrafted quarterbacks to NFL Europe, and many of them came back as NFL starters. That's how bad things were until Manning, Brady, Donovan McNabb and others finally came to the rescue and created more pass-friendly offenses.

There are limitations to being just a top-10 rushing offense. Unless the top-10 rushing offense is equipped with a top performing quarterback, the system fails. The Raiders, under Lane Kiffin, finished sixth in rushing last year. They won only four games because of the poor play at quarterback. Over the past five years, the 49ers have had three top-10 running seasons. They went 7-9 in two of those seasons and 2-14 in another.

Normally, a top-10 rushing season pushes a team to anywhere between seven and 10 wins. What a team can do with that, though, depends on the play of the quarterback. The outside world tends to look at the Giants as a team that played good defense and won with a strong ground game. Let's not mince any words. They won a Super Bowl because Eli Manning stepped up at the right times and won games.

The NFL is still about the quarterback. That's not going to change. The 2008 season should be a study in figuring out the right way to win until that quarterback develops.

Based on the 2008 offseason, it makes sense to shift some focus to the ground game. It was a draft that produced 27 running backs. But the key is not to go overboard. It's like travel: Ground transportation gets you anywhere, but it's faster to go through the air.

Posted by: kmdp4 | May 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

dl;

i guess you could have the arguement that we didnt draft good late rounds, or get a chance to pick up good udfa's.

But with the multitude of picks we had, I think we should be a ble to find some gems. And I think most expect if anyone can coach em up, buges is one.

You do have to admire the ability to work with a patchwork o line and get to the playoffs running the ball 60% of the time 2 out of the last 3 years.

Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

we may keep anthony mix over james thrash... but he would have to do ALOT to prove he's needed here.

We now have two tight ends and two receivers who will make our final roster over 6'2. we simply don't NEED anthony mix anymore.

I've got a soft spot for thrash and would like him to stay a couple more years, but this is a business. if mix can contribute to special teams more than Thrash at this point, then we keep mix. if not, then i will just have to miss james thrash.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

BTW, saw "Iron Man" last night. Get thee to a theatre! Pronto! Phenomenal movie.

Can't wait for "The Dark Knight", "Indy 4", and "Waaaalllleeee"...

After several disappointing summers in a row, I have a feeling this one is going to be really, really good for movies.

Posted by: P Diddy | May 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Just for that, CL, I'm bringing quiche to Fado in June. You better be there to stuff your face!

Mmmmmm...

Posted by: P Diddy | May 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I would love nothing more than to see Thrash off the team....Canidate mumero 1 to be this years Salevea.....

Fill that spot with Mix or some other hungry youngster!

Posted by: chris larrY | May 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy - Thanks for the Iron Man update. The wife is already bugging me to take her to see it this weekend.

Posted by: jcook | May 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

km, as usual, thanks for your efforts.

Posted by: Greg | May 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

sween- Maybe Ecker is busy re-resculpting his body?

- .250

Posted by: | May 2, 2008 1:30 PM

Kind of evokes the image of last year's draft pick sitting on the kitchen floor, in his boxers, slumped over a bucket of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream with a spoon in his hand ... de-sculpting his body.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

dl;
i guess you could have the arguement that we didnt draft good late rounds, or get a chance to pick up good udfa's.
But with the multitude of picks we had, I think we should be a ble to find some gems. And I think most expect if anyone can coach em up, buges is one.
You do have to admire the ability to work with a patchwork o line and get to the playoffs running the ball 60% of the time 2 out of the last 3 years.
Posted by: Zebra | May 2, 2008 1:33 PM

Agreed, I would take Buges over anyone except maybe that guy who was denvers/atlantas oline coach (Alex Gibbs maybe)........I'm just saying he needs to have a good foundation in talent. We can't ignore O-lineman until the 6th/7th rounds or UDFA.......those guys don't stick 9.5 times out of 10 no matter who the coach is. Glad we got Rinehart in the 3rd; seems like a guy who has serious potential, not just because Buges is the coach.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

" ... we simply don't NEED anthony mix anymore. ..."

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 2, 2008 1:35 PM

Fickle. The second round receivers have played zero snaps in the NFL. We NEED a competition ... where the best guys win, whether its a returning starter, returning depth, draft choice, or undrafted rookie.

[We also need more cowbell.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep.

Posted by: Cindy | May 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love that cowbell. Give us all you got!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

You should try my salmon sprout quiche.

It's to die for.


Posted by: Chia Pet | May 2, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

would have been funny if zorn had come out in maroon & black colors, just for the heck of it.

Posted by: 81 | May 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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