Injuries Have Zorn Making Changes

We covered the major injury issues, with Jon Jansen awaiting MRI results on his knee and Chris Samuels out for the year, and starting safety Chris Horton (shoulder) and reserve center Justin Geisinger (knee) awaiting MRI results, too. Here's the rest of the injury picture:

Several of Jansen's teammates believe he will play through his medial collateral ligament problem if possible, and Jansen told other linemen Sunday night that he expected to play. (Of course, the MRI results may dictate otherwise.) The fact that that Jansen could not go back into the game Sunday makes me think he might need at least one week on the sidelines, but we shall see.

Horton could end up playing in a harness, Zorn said, while the team will get a host of young offensive linemen ready to play. Tackle Devin Clark was signed from the practice squad, Zorn said, to replace take Samuels's roster spot. WR Devin Aromashodu was being signed to Chicago's active roster, Zorn said, leading the Redskins to likely look for another offensive lineman to sign to the practice squad. Rookie Chad Rinehart, who has been inactive all season, is likely to play, with Rinehart and Clark both getting reps this week at tackle and guard.

Although corner Shawn Springs (calf) said, "I'm playing this week," Zorn said he must continue to build the muscle. LB Marcus Washington could end up missing another game with his high ankle sprain. Linebacker London Fletcher (foot) and end Andre Carter (foot) appeared to come out of the game in decent shape, Zorn said.

Defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin now has an abdominal injury to go with his shoulder woes, and Zorn said the team is investigating a possible hernia injury as well. Back-up tight end Todd Yoder has a mild knee sprain, but he and Zorn both said they expect him to play. And Zorn said that the decision to play RB Clinton Portis sparingly in the second half Sunday was not directly injury related. (More on that later.)

Suddenly, it's a very long list at a crucial point in the season. "It's a lot to deal with in the next few days," Zorn said.

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It's great to have Steinberg back from Miami, although he is complaining about the fact that it's not 85 here. (Cry me a giant, South American-sized river, dude.) He has a compendium of interesting observations and rantoids (when a factoid meets a rant), ranging from Wacco for Flacco vs. Horny for Zorny to purple as a team color to Zorn's philosophy to Fred Smoot's plans for his first tatoo.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 8, 2008; 1:08 PM ET
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At least something has Zorn making changes, because losing consistently has not...

Posted by: p1funk | December 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

awesome

Posted by: Moose33 | December 8, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

1st round : Alex Mack, C California
3rd round : Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma
5th round : Bradon Swain, DE\LB West Texas A&M
6th round : Quincy Wofford, KR\CB Northern Colorado

Bring in one good defensive player at either DE, DT, or LB through free agency.

Offensive line :

Alex Mack, C
Phil Loadholt, OT
Stephen Heyer, OT
Chad Rhinehart, G
Randy Thomas, G


WE NEED A YOUTH MOVEMENT

and GET RID OF PLACKEMEIER HE SUCKS AND HE LOLLYGAGS IN THE BACKFIELD TOO MUCH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 1:40 PM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really want jansen to play, he is terrible I hope he is out for the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Fabini won't get as "beat physically" as Jansen.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

that looks pretty good to me I can't wait to talk draft.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We only gave them one pick our first so how did that result in to players.

Posted by: Flounder21

We traded a 1st, 3rd, and 5th, for two 2nds and a 4th.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

the only thing worse than having Jon Jansen in the game is having an INJURED Jon Jansen in the game.

Jesus, how awful would THAT be?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what Fred Davis can do....

Posted by: cb50 | December 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needs to smoke some dope and get creative with his thinking.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

+++What is with our practice squad this year. Is it normal to lose this many players in a season?

Posted by: Predator48 +++

Someone might argue the wrong players were put on the Practice squad...

Might it have made more sense to keep active Crummey, with promise, instead of, say, Grass Stains Geissinger? Or Matteral Richardson, instead of Tryon? Or ANYONE over Durant?

How ABOUT that Plackemeier? He can't punt, and ever since he's become the holder, Suisham can't kick straight.

It's just another example of a clueless FO.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I've thought about what Campbell can do well and we're not taking advantage of it. Campbell throws a flat ball which goes a long way quickly. Which means he can throw 25 yard out patterns. Or deep in patterns when the ball arrives prior to the safety. The pass to Moss I describe is an example. Campbell's pass was flat, so it wasn't tough for the DB to deflect a catchable pass. So you want more plays where Campball isn't lofting a pass directly over a DB.

I'll go back to the Super Bowl vs Buffalo. The Skins went on a drive that was essentially all Mark Rypien to Art Monk. A bunch of 15-18 yard plays. Those plays, where the WR gets downfield, turns and the ball is there before the DB can position himself are exactly what Campbell can do well.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Flounder, couldn't agree more.

Jansen, if he had any pride would hang it up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Truth, that's all real nice but we don't have a 5th, we have a 1, 3, 4, 6.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Truth I like that line 2 years from now but starting 3 "rookies" on the line in the same year seems dangerous to JC's health, we can get a year from the Center.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

If we're going into a free fall anyway, let's see what Colt can do. I've had enough of Campbell's stiff, afraid to make a mistake type of QB play. It's never going to get us anywhere. Let's see what this young gunslinger can do. JC is slowing eroding the spirit within my soul.

Posted by: austin987654 | December 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You are correct psp sorry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

++Although corner Shawn Springs (calf) said, "I'm playing this week," Zorn said he must continue to build the muscle.+++

I have the PERFECT Christmas present for Springs. Plaxico Burress's Glock and a VIP pass to a New York Club.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

cork, have Crummey or Richardson even played for their new teams? Have they been active on game day? I'm curious to know........

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Keep going guys....high comedy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 1:33 PM

Greg, while I'm not on the extreme side of the MMQBers. This has basically been builing up not with th elosses, but with the ineffectiveness of the offense.

I started beating this drum last weak and watching the game yesterday just left me with too many not-good feelings about what's what. JZ has not shown he is willing to adjust yet........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

+++Let's see what Fred Davis can do....

Posted by: cb50++++


Well we know he's real good at sleeping in....

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I have heard nothing as to why the new punter is effecting the FG game? I mean its true he came in and kicking died for the team but has anyone seen him holding wrong on a FG?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Truth, that's all real nice but we don't have a 5th, we have a 1, 3, 4, 6.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM |

No we have 1st 2nd 5th 6th

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

...and Jansen told other linemen Sunday night that he expected to play.

Posted by Jason La Canfora

I think he means on the field, because he has yet to play this year...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 8, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Truth, that's all real nice but we don't have a 5th, we have a 1, 3, 4, 6.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM |

No we have 1st 2nd 5th 6th

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:51 PM |
That should say third not 2nd

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 8, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Offensive line is only as strong as its weakest player.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 1:38 PM

Alex, there is a tremendous amount of truth in that. Like links in a chain, the weakest link.

I had thought that for quite some time ... and modified it slightly. An offensive line is only as strong as its weakest matchup vs the defense its playing. Small difference, but the same point. Its not the average talent level the defines an OL, its the lowest talent level.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

4th, I hear you, my point basically was, that unless as I suggested to corky earlier, we buy/find/build a time machine, and go back and re-do the draft, ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE...

We can certainly hope that for the immediate next draft the Redskins focus on the lines, both defensive and offensive.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Truth,

I agree about the youth movement, but a first round pick on the center isn't what we need. Samuels, prior to the injury, was still playing at a high level. So keep him and the center. Heyer at RT, Rhinehart and LG, and draft a RG with the 3rd round pick. They badly need to draft a D-lineman in the first if anything at all worth the pick is available.

Also, related to the youth movement, they should be starting at least one of the rookies to see if he can play.

Let's hope Snyrato does better drafting next year...

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

alex35332 There you go again Tommy Chong, lol

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

We wouldn't be in this situation if we hadn't gotten rid of Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: mmmhmmm | December 8, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

+++cork, have Crummey or Richardson even played for their new teams? Have they been active on game day? I'm curious to know........

Posted by: BeantownGreg++++

I don't know. I DO know that the teams that took them off the practice squad decided they were worth devoting a roster spot for the rest of the year, as is required.

I DO know that Crummey looked impressive in pre-season. I DO know the team was high on Richardson.

I DO know that only one of TEN draftees on the redskins has been an unqualified success.

I DO know the same FO that didnt' draft linemen let a potential good one get away. AND from the same school that brought them Stephon Heyer...

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Trade the first rounder for more picks, jeez its only rocket science for Vinny

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone say that game didn't look pretty much like we expected it to look? (as opposed to what we might have hoped for?)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

or....if we had a talent man like JLC in our front office.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

+++What is with our practice squad this year. Is it normal to lose this many players in a season?

Posted by: Predator48 +++

Someone might argue the wrong players were put on the Practice squad...

It's just another example of a clueless FO.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 1:46 PM


Cork, you're a piece of work. What do you think two plus two equals? Three, right?

The reason our practice squad has been raided so much is that Vinny is better than most at finding good talent. He's naturally kept the best on the roster and put the leftovers on the practice squad.

The logic is inescapable, except to Cork who sees our practice squad being raided as a symptom of a weak FO. Wow.

Posted by: troll1 | December 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Its not the average talent level the defines an OL, its the lowest talent level.

Posted by: zcezcest1

That's only assuming that the o-line is left on an island.

If you've got 4 studs along the line with 1 mediocre tackle, you don't have a mediocre line. Keep one guy in to help protect, or to chip on the opposing defender, and it becomes a phenomenal line.

It's a subtle difference, but the main point you guys bring up rings true. In the end, it's about adjusting to give yourself the best chance at being effective.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Is Loadholt projected to go as late as the 3rd? That guy is a freakin mountain - with his size I would expect him to be projected higher.

Posted by: CBT2 | December 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Alex Mack, C
Phil Loadholt, OT
Stephen Heyer, OT
Chad Rhinehart, G
Randy Thomas, G


WE NEED A YOUTH MOVEMENT

and GET RID OF PLACKEMEIER HE SUCKS AND HE LOLLYGAGS IN THE BACKFIELD TOO MUCH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 1:40 PM

*********************************
You are smoking crack Truth. You want to get rid of our two most consistent linemen in Samuels and Rabach. Samuels is a pro bowl player every year and Rabach is the glue. Hopefully they did draft Rinehart to replace Thomas or Kendall.

And as far as doing mock drafts at this point, you are crazy. First of all, who the hell drafts a center in the first round and drafts a tackle in the third and plays him right away. You obviously do not know how NFL franchises operate. I did not know Mel Kiper commented on this blog!

Posted by: SkinsFan4Life89 | December 8, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I had thought that for quite some time ... and modified it slightly. An offensive line is only as strong as its weakest matchup vs the defense its playing. Small difference, but the same point. Its not the average talent level the defines an OL, its the lowest talent level.

Posted by: zcezcest1

A good point, and thinking about it more and to add upon that, this is truer in pass protection then run blocking. Though still vital in both, You can do more in pulling and running to one side away from a week link.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"4th, I hear you, my point basically was, that unless as I suggested to corky earlier, we buy/find/build a time machine, and go back and re-do the draft, ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE... "

Too much ammunition is provided in this statement. The natural response:

"Sure, the draft picks won't change, but the guy responsible for making them happen could..."

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

psps23 that is exactly right. We do not utilize the tight end chipping or helping double team the D-end on pass plays when we need time. BUT a lot of pass rush resulting in sacks has been coming up the gut recently. Plus, Cooley ain't no Donnie Warren.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

+++And Zorn said that the decision to play RB Clinton Portis sparingly in the second half Sunday was not directly injury related. (More on that later.)+++

uh-oh

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"He's naturally kept the best on the roster and put the leftovers on the practice squad."

That's an assumption, not a fact. It's not a stretch to think Vinny made an error in judging talent.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

5th and 6th round picks are interchangable. These are low, no-name guys.

But a little bit about each pick :


Alex Mack, C Cal = Dude is studly, period. I'm confident saying he's a sure thing. Antione Caldwell from Bama is another C who will be available in the 3rd round, so we could pick an OT with the first pick instead, but Mack is a beast!

Phil Loadholt, OT OU = guy is like 6'7, 265 or something. He's just beastly. I think his stock will rise, but for now most people have him in the third. If so, this is a no brainer pick.

Brandon Swain, DE/LB West Texas A&M : Here's a writeup on him :

"DE/OLB Brandon Swain, 6' 4" 255 lbs. West Texas A&M 4.69:
He is one of the most athletic defensive ends coming into the 2009 NFL Draft. He had 14 sacks and five forced fumbles last year. He is a quarterbacks nightmare. He has good speed off the edge and a desire to get in the backfield and make plays. His 40 yard dash time of 4.69 is quite impressive for a lineman. He should be a steal in the middle rounds."

Quincy Wofford, KR\CB Northern Colorado : Dude apparently runs like a 4.35, supposed to be 6'2 185. He could slip out of the draft if he doesn't have a big Combine showing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

SkinsFan4Life89: I have no idea how Samuels is in the Pro-Bowl every year.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I have heard nothing as to why the new punter is effecting the FG game? I mean its true he came in and kicking died for the team but has anyone seen him holding wrong on a FG?

Posted by: alex35332

Could be a coincidence. But i've heard it said that kicker-holder-snapper works best when they've been a team for a good while, and it cant' be a positive thing for Suisham to have had three different guys holding this year. Them kickers is squirrely to start with...

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

SkinsFan4Life89: I have no idea how Samuels is in the Pro-Bowl every year.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden

Samuels is no Jonathan Ogden, but you can do a LOT worse. Exhibit A: Jon Jansen, Exhibit B: Justin Geisinger, Exhibit C: Dude from Philly that got torched by Osi Umenyiora for 6 sacks in one game, etc, etc, etc.

Samuels is not a bad player.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The problem (to me) is cooley is more dangerous as a pass catcher when we need to catch the ball than as a blocker so the TE chip means we are forced into a 2 TE set of sorts (not that you cant do it with a range of these sets)

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Joe Jacoby a late rounder or not drafted at all. I'm telling you those are the guys that will fight the hardest because they want it more!

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So corky, I"ll ask you to please answer my ealier questions:

cork, have Crummey or Richardson even played for their new teams? Have they been active on game day?

I wasn't looking for your opinion, just some facts.....have they played, and have they been active.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

I'm likely to go down vs Forrest, he's up by 41 after posting his highest point total of the year, courtesy of westbrook. If DeAngelo Williams has a westbrook-like game vs TB, I could still pull it out (I also have a kicker going tonight). I have a reasonable total, considering. Reggie Wayne came up miniscule again. 4 points vs the Bengals? Yuck. Fitzgerald got off to a great start, but got only about 1 point in the game's final 40 minutes and only 1 point more than Forrest got from Sea TE John Carlson. LenDale White had a 100 yard game, then lost 1 yard on the last carry to finish with 99, costing me 2 FF points.


More shocking is Zornskins and 4th, who are tied going into tonight. Zornksins has Steve Smith going, along with the Panther defense. 4th has Warrick Dunn.

A major upset in the making? Stay tuned.

*******

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Re-post from Last Night:

Amazing how injuries to key players can effect a football team...

The Skins injures include: T Samuels, G Kendall, G Thomas, T Jansen, RB Portis, DE Carter, DT Golston, DT Griffin, DT Montgomery, LB Washington, LB Fletcher, SS Horton, CB Springs. Twenty-two percent of the players are hurt. [The average age of the injured players is 29 years old. A significant number of the key linemen are 31-32 years old.]

The offensive and defensive lines have been decimated. At least LB Fletcher played hurt and still had 12 tackles. Five of the front seven starting defensive players are hurt as are four out of five starting offensive linemen.

Special teams have been a liability all year. I'm not sure if it's the players or the coach (Smith). However, the blocking schemes are terrible and either kicker deserves to be on the team next week.

It is difficult to win when one phase of the game is dominated every week. Special teams are probably the worst in the NFL. Even with extensive injuries -- the defense has held up -- but the lack of depth on the offensive line and at RB has doomed the offense.

JLC -- Just wondering why you have not covered the injuries vs performance angle more? Yes, the Skins are playing poorly -- but only since the injuries have mounted on the lines. Opposing QBs had more time to throw and Campbell rarely have enough time to throw down field.

One issue I have with coach Zorn was keeping an extra backup T (Fabini) on the inactive list. This strategy obviously backfired on Sunday... At least he will be available next week. Also, I believe the keep it medium mantra should change. The Ravens were fired up emotionally and clearly out played the mediocre Skins.

Posted by: siris | December 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

With this season over, looking at cap casualties for next year:

Shawn Springs - $8.4 million
Jason Taylor - $8.0 million
M. Washingtion - $6.5 Million

and the maybe's:
Randle El - $6.1 million
Jansen - $3.4 Million (might keep as backup at this price)

Posted by: Snydersucks | December 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Samuels is not a bad player.

Posted by: psps23
__________________________________________--
very true I just don't think he is a perennial Pro-Bowler.
alex35332- you are right as well however you have to be a complete player to be a quality tight end.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Re-post from Last Night:

Amazing how injuries to key players can effect a football team...

The Skins injures include: T Samuels, G Kendall, G Thomas, T Jansen, RB Portis, DE Carter, DT Golston, DT Griffin, DT Montgomery, LB Washington, LB Fletcher, SS Horton, CB Springs. Twenty-two percent of the players are hurt. [The average age of the injured players is 29 years old. A significant number of the key linemen are 31-32 years old.]

The offensive and defensive lines have been decimated. At least LB Fletcher played hurt and still had 12 tackles. Five of the front seven starting defensive players are hurt as are four out of five starting offensive linemen.

Special teams have been a liability all year. I'm not sure if it's the players or the coach (Smith). However, the blocking schemes are terrible and either kicker deserves to be on the team next week.

It is difficult to win when one phase of the game is dominated every week. Special teams are probably the worst in the NFL. Even with extensive injuries -- the defense has held up -- but the lack of depth on the offensive line and at RB has doomed the offense.

JLC -- Just wondering why you have not covered the injuries vs performance angle more? Yes, the Skins are playing poorly -- but only since the injuries have mounted on the lines. Opposing QBs had more time to throw and Campbell rarely had enough time to throw down field.

One issue I have with coach Zorn was keeping an extra backup T (Fabini) on the inactive list. This strategy obviously backfired on Sunday... At least he will be available next week. Also, the keep it medium mantra should change. The Ravens were fired up emotionally and clearly out played the mediocre Skins.

Posted by: siris | December 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Beantown,
If they were taken off our PSQ then the needed to be active for 4 games.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's a question, I asked this a week or two ago about putting in alexander on the TE eligible and getting some extra protection/beef and whaddya know last night the Ravens ran 15 to 20 plays or so with 3 tackles on the same side.

I'm not saying we should do that, but we gotta do something unorthodox, we're not good enough to line up and win 1-on-1 matchups, we have to scheme better.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"You are smoking crack Truth. You want to get rid of our two most consistent linemen in Samuels and Rabach. Samuels is a pro bowl player every year and Rabach is the glue. Hopefully they did draft Rinehart to replace Thomas or Kendall.

And as far as doing mock drafts at this point, you are crazy. First of all, who the hell drafts a center in the first round and drafts a tackle in the third and plays him right away. You obviously do not know how NFL franchises operate. I did not know Mel Kiper commented on this blog!


Posted by: SkinsFan4Life89"

Samuels is like 74 years old I think, and Rabach just sucks. We've all been tricked into thinking Rabach is a top center in the league. The dude isn't, plain and simple.

and Alex Mack WILL go in the first round, whether you like it or not, and he WILL most likely be starting next year as a rookie.

And Phil Loadholt is first round talent that lots of people have going in the third round for some reason, so yes, I think he could start.


But maybe you've been happy with the results of our offensive line this year? Yeah, maybe we should just keep 'em all and welcome them back next year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Alex, thanks.

So they were active. Did they play corky??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

beantown your awful mouthy for an eternal optimist whose team is falling apart cause of the wait and see draft you so vehemently defend.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

siris, all teams deal with injury problems every year. Due to that fact it becomes a sort of equilibrium, a moot point. Like when you skydive you feel like you are floating even though you are falling fast. Winning in this league comes down to heart and balls.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice how badly Rocky Macintosh played last night? He got pushed all over the field and was basically absent. Watch most of the Ravens' medium to long gainers and Macintosh either bounces off the ball carrier or gets crushed on a lead block. He's the most ineffective backer we have -- even an aging and injured Marcus is better. Blades at least has some stones and tries to fly around like Fletcher.

Posted by: gwr14 | December 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

4th, I hear you, my point basically was, that unless as I suggested to corky earlier, we buy/find/build a time machine, and go back and re-do the draft, ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE...

We can certainly hope that for the immediate next draft the Redskins focus on the lines, both defensive and offensive.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 1:54 PM

I'm not talking about the Draft. I'm talking about ZORN BEING PICKED AS HC.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

We need to hook Rabach up with Victor Conte and BALCO.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If they were taken off our PSQ then the needed to be active for 4 games.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:12 PM |

Not true. They have to stay on the active roster for 4 weeks, not be active on game day. Mason was inactive the first two weeks when he signed with the jets. Not sure of his status after that.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 8, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Loadholdt is well over 300 pounds. I have a feeling he will end up going higher than that.

As to the DE you mention: Yet another in the same mold of the guys the 'Skins already have.

I think they should trade down and get picks. Perhaps do what they did when the drafted Ramsey...keep trading down with teams higher than they and picking up mid round picks in return.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

zj, yeah, and you're awful quick to point out what you wanted to do after the fact, you're so full of crap your eye's are brown.

"I'd just like to point out that 6 weeks ago, I wanted to do just the thing that the redskins can't do right now".

Had the Redskins taken OL/DL in this past draft you'd be on here claiming you wanted them to take WR's to open the offense up.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

what is your love with a center from Cal? I mean seriously, they're a decent team and all but they're not dominate running or passing and the guy is a freaking center, he's not even on Scouts Inc. top 32 players board and centers rarely go in round 1

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

agree with Greg

that zj guy just runs his mouth

he'd be a great GM if he could use hindsight and no one else could

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

4th, while I share your HC concern, I feel anyone would be in a similar pinch under the snyder/vinny reign.

We simply need a legit football man in the Polian mode, or at least a younger dude with potential (like the giants cat) who has been mentored by a legit guy to be given the visionary reigns of this team...

All other paths will lead to the kind of ups and downs the last 15 years have shown us.

I love this team, but the way forward is obvious, and probably not going to happen.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I've seen a lot of games where one DL dominates his matchup and it almost doesn't matter what the other guys are doing. Last year's playoff game vs Sea, with Kearney, was an example of that. That's where my thinking started. I'll agree you can direct the run game to one side, but I think its still basically the case, the OL is defined by its weakest matchup.

psps, to address your comment about using guys to chip and so forth. Yes, that can be done. But there aren't many guys who do that well and it takes a potential runner/receiver out of the mix. Which is a pretty big impact.

Mostly, just wanted to say I'm on the bandwagon with Alex's comment. Some subtle differences, but his core idea is one I agree with. OL's are defined more by their weaker players, not their better players

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice how badly Rocky Macintosh played last night?
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He reacted slowly, didn't fill the gap with any force and looked like he may have been concussed. His pursuit angles were bad and he seemed like he didn't want to hit anyone like normally does.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"what is your love with a center from Cal? I mean seriously, they're a decent team and all but they're not dominate running or passing and the guy is a freaking center, he's not even on Scouts Inc. top 32 players board and centers rarely go in round 1

Posted by: zjfr2"

Well I know we won't draft him most likely, but Alex Mack will be the NFL's version of The Truth, watch!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

bean, nice to see your anger has gotten the best of you....tends to happen when you finally have to admit you're wrong, we've had this argument going most of the season, I'd say the last month of evidence declares me the winner, as does more and more games of Taylor doing nothing, teams crushing our weak front 7 with the run, and Fabini starting at tackle for us in Cincy, but don't worry, I won't make you say it cause I know you won't.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

the NFL can't handle the Truth

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I feel like Jumbo in the Replacements sitting on the dudes head, beantown is on the floor, I'm sitting on his head shouting

"Nundisckah!"

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It is well documented by my shrink that humans go through the following 5 steps when dealing with a crisis:
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance

I present to you, my fellow fans, the crisis of the Redskins 2008 season:

Denial- The Rams game
Anger- The Steelers game
Bargaining- The 2nd Dallas game
Depression- The 2nd Giants game
Acceptance- The Ravens game


I still believe the evil Dan Snyder has a sweetheart deal with the anti-depressant drug industry.

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 8, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has still got another year in my book.

So does Vinny.

But, both of them have to show they can adapt. and JZ needs to become a better game manager. No one is ripping him like most people up here did to Gibbs last year.

Also, I have seen TWO instances this year where a team didn't have a time out and tried to call a TO back to back, and the refs didn't blow the whistle and penalize those teams.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

psps, to address your comment about using guys to chip and so forth. Yes, that can be done. But there aren't many guys who do that well and it takes a potential runner/receiver out of the mix. Which is a pretty big impact.
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Not true. Watch other teams their tight end will chip or stay in for a second and then release. The linebacker thinks he is in to block and breaks off into coverage leaving a wide open tight end with 6-8 yards of daylight between him and the nearest tackler.

Posted by: Tyler2Durden | December 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

agree with Greg

that zj guy just runs his mouth

he'd be a great GM if he could use hindsight and no one else could

Posted by: TheTruth11


actually, we all use a keyboard ... as opposed to our mouth on this blog ... except for Jason (who is obviously being held in captivity in front of a WaPo sign) Reid

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

zj, you're the best after the fact general manager on RI.

Your trophy is in the mail to you.

Tis better to let people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Zorn wasn't given the pieces by Cerrato to close the deal in 2008.

If the second round receivers had emerged as at least one of them should have (see Avery, Jackson, Royal), Campbell would have had the big target the club needed in the red zone and there wouldn't have been as many field goals in games the Redskins played close but lost, including the Rams and second Cowboys games.

Meanwhile, Cerrato ignored the age and injuries up front on the OL and DL and made just two moves in the offseason - one to draft a guard/tackle that has gotten ZERO game experience during a season where the OL has been banged up, and a second to acquire Jason Taylor, who has produced ONE sack in 13 games, or the same number as cornerback Shawn Springs.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

touche'

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

it is only illegal to call back to back TO's before a FG attempt

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

something that I havent heard alot about is how the passing of ST affected the draft.

Think if we still had ST we would have not drafted horton, or tryon, meaning that those picks could have been spent on much needed lineman.

Second point, the problems from last year were lack of pass rush and the coverage, remeber how we couldnt cover if springs was out because Rogers fell for everydouble move.

So if you think about it they kind of drafted on need, we needed help in the secondary, and some receiving help. I dont think the front office thought the o-line would fall apart like this, and that the d-line would still kind of hold its own

Not being an apoligist but just presenting a different perspective from the other side of the fence

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 8, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I feel like Jumbo in the Replacements sitting on the dudes head, beantown is on the floor, I'm sitting on his head shouting

"Nundisckah!"


LOL, I have no idea what this means, but whatever gets you through the day zj, again, you're the best, you're always right(after the fact), and your so weird based on your little fantasy above......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Tis better to let people think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused how at 6-2 (well before the fact) I was saying that 6-2 doesn't erase the fact that we screwed up this season and that its going to come back and bite us, and now that it has I'm the fool? I think at this point the guy who was arguing with me saying wait and see and blah blah blah looks more foolish no?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

it is only illegal to call back to back TO's before a FG attempt

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 2:29 PM

Calling back to back timeouts is illegal no matter when you do it

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

excuse me screwed up this offseason

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Sour Smoot

If Portis kept mostly mum about his lack of activity, cornerback Fred Smoot was a bit more forthcoming about his own lack of action. He said he didn't care about being benched as a starter in favor of DeAngelo Hall, “but I do care about the 15 [plays] I got,” he said.

Smoot was the third cornerback behind Carlos Rogers and Hall (Shawn Springs was sidelined with a calf injury), playing in the Redskins' nickel package when the Ravens used three receivers in their passing formations. Baltimore stuck mostly to the ground, especially in the second half. But Smoot thought it might have been something else, although he wasn't sure what.

“Maybe I'm not somebody's favorite,” he said. “I don't know. I promise you, I'm clueless. I just show up to work every day ready to work and ready to play football on Sundays.”

Smoot said he did not talk about the situation with anyone.

“Maybe someone will talk to me,” he said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/08/portis-sits-on-sideline-most-of-the-second-half/?page=2

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So could I paraphrase the two sides of this argument as:

7. "The sky is falling", or,
f. "Stay the course; we're on track. A thousand points of light"

??

Just trying to understand so I can figure out whether I'm with the big or little-endians ...

Posted by: Redcoat | December 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Next year, look for Peppers, Ocho Cinco and Hasslebeck to be on the Skins. Vinny will blow the team up after this year (no more 'continuity' talk). Lots of guys will go. Springs, Betts, El, maybe even Moss and Portis. It's going to be a house cleaning. Next year: 3-13 and Zorn gets canned half-way through.

Posted by: eleysium | December 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Crazy eyed jackazz has been on record saying he does not believe in using high picks on lineman. If this year doesn't change that stance nothing ever will.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 8, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Lots to nitpick on last night (why call a timeout AFTER getting called for delay of game?), but we were out-bigplayed. The Ravens defense was terrific and made big plays. Their offense was mediocre, but made a few big plays.

I think one stat I would like to see. How many times have the Redskins started a drive in the other teams territory? I'd also count any returns for TDs in that number (ie Santana's punt return would count). Essentially a stat that measures how often the team gets a short field to work with.

I bring this up because both the Skins scores last night came on short fields.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, you are right. The FG ones result in a 15 yrd penalty. The other variety is only a 5 yard delay of game penalty.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I would also like to point out if JC survives the rest of the season than we have a chance of him being the first QB we have had in 9 years starting all 16 games. Here is that famous list going back to Johnson who went 16 games in 99.

2008- JC 2778 85.4
07- JC 2,700 77.6: TC 888 106.4
06- JC 1,297 76.5: MB 1,789 86.5
05- MB 3,050 85.9: PR 279 95.2
04- MB 1,194 63.9: PR 1,665 74.8
03- PR 2,166 75.8: TH 1,012 63.6
02- PR 1,539 71.8: DW 719 70.9: SM 1,251 72.6
01- TB 2,386 71.3: JG 168 34.6
00- JG 1,389 79.6: BJ 2,505 75.7
99- BJ 4,005 90.0

Brad Johnson - BJ
Jeff George- JG
Tony Banks- TB
Shane Matthews- SM
Patrick Ramsey-PR
Danny Wuerffel-DW
Tim Hasselbeck-TH
Mark Brunell-MB
Todd Collins- TC
Jason Campbell- JC

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

IMO, drafting OL this year would have helped next year and in the future not this year.

OL should have been drafted over the last two years to help us this year. The problem was Gibbs and his need to trade draft picks for veteran players.

With the way the OL played at the end of last year it seemed as if we could stay injury free, we would have been ok this year. The OL has under-preformed and has been out played all year. That's why Jack keeps harping on what we should have done. Coming into the year, the OL was not our biggest need.

Now I would argue that we did not keep the correct last eight players on our roster/practice squad - but it does no good to argue now about something that can't be changed.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | December 8, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Red, the sky fell last April, it just hitting the ground now that's all, there is hope, we have a great young secondary, and a good young qb, one of the best backs in the league the deepest TE unit in the league (yes that was a joke) and some young players at wideout...If Vinny can retool the oline and front 7 in a single offseason without the 10 picks he had last year we could be a legitimate team next year, right now we're mediocre we're better than 15 teams but nowhere near as good as the top 10.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

4th, I don't really get that Smoot thing.


What's he complaining about? He said he didn't have a problem with how many plays he got, but has a problem with the plays? Wha?

Is he crying or not? Is he mad he's behind Los, Hall, and Springs or not? Sorry Smoot but you're our 4th corner. You'll be third next year, don't start acting like a punk about stuff either.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I want to profess my non-sexual blog crush on curzon....we have had our run ins, but to me you might be one of the most rationale and clear thinking posters we got up here...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 8, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with giving Vinny 1 more year. His draft class (although horridly planned out position-wise) will truly show its colors by the end of next year.

Zorn I'd give to the end of the season. He was unproven to begin with, has shown flashes during the beginning of the season, but since has shown very few of the core coaching qualities, values, and techniques that are necessary in any HC (adjustments, accountability, progression in quality of play, etc). He'd be on a short leash to me, especially with a guy like BC lurking around the corner.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas ankle? how is he?

Posted by: Ilikecougars | December 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

what about me chrislarry?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Speaking as a vaguely interested bystander (the Skins still toy with my wife and her families heartstrings on a weekly basis) I think your secondary would be immeasurably improved by;

h. Putting LaRon back at the line of scrimmage, he makes some plays in the backfield but also looks lost sometimes (e.g. that big reception by Todd Heap, what WAS LaRon doing?)
@. Telling Carlos Rogers that if he so much as SNIFFS a 'double move' by the receiver, he's to flatten the guy and take the penalty (or hope the refs miss it, a la Dallas) because every time he lets his guy do a double-move it costs a TD.

Also if LaRon is back at the line of scrimmage you may actually have a chance of stopping the run... Any chance he could be groomed to replace Fletcher or is that my lack of fubball knowledge showing up. Again?

Posted by: Redcoat | December 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

we have too few clear headed rational people up here, most were driven away be the others. Not sure if i am part of the others or the clears but if I am asking I guess it means others.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

How can we stay medium when the coach isn't even telling anyone to stay medium?

Maybe he has spent too much of life way up there where you can see Russia, such as...

I think Largent warned him about this, but you never really know until it happens. He may be isolated from most of the talk around the DMV, though. The media guy was quick to cut off the Q&A today at the JZ presser........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

cL.....being the asexual creature that you are, noone here would have ever mistaken your crush on curzon to be sexual.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | December 8, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

funny, when we're 6-2 : "Zorn's mannerisms are so funny and original, WHAT A GUY"

When we're 7-6 : "I'm tired of Zorn and his crap."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Truth, hasn't it been pretty well established that we are involved in a mutual dislike feedback loop?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

i rember when i first started doing FF. i picked robert royal (as a skin) and when he caught a patrick ramsey pass for 12 yards i was so happy and started talking smack about my TE choice until someone pointed me to the point total for that week for a guy name gonzalez of KC.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem the last two games hasn't been draft picks. The problem the last two games has been intensity. Say what you want for Gibbs but he had ever Swingin Soul ready for a war last year.

That "something" has been missing the last few games and when you are in the playoff hunt you need that.

Posted by: Gweez | December 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Curzon417 | December 8, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I mostly agree with that, the oline could have been good one more year, but wouldn't it be nice to have Heyer, Rinehart, and another 2 or 3 rounder behind this line, and over there on the Dline to have 1 or 2 young guys draft in the 2 and 4th. I don't argue with the thomas pick it was a glaring need, but the Kelly, Davis, and Tryon picks were wastes. Now the issue is both lines are falling apart, which is surprising how fast that has happened but without the old big name big money signings we have nobody in the wings to help us next year. so once again, we'll build at the core with free agents.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyway you cut it, this makes no sense.

Since 2003, the Skins have drafted the same number of O-linemen and TEs. 4 each. But there are 5 starting OL and only 1 starting TE. Only of of those OL is starting ... for Buffalo.

This failure to draft OL caught with them last year when Jansen and Thomas went down. The scenario is a bit different, as a bunch of guys seemed to get old all at once. But its the same story.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

rationale is relative.

I more or less use the blog to vent. I become rationale after posting. Sometimes I am rationale when posting, most times I am not......

And those who claim to be rationale 24/7, you have a problem. Look deep inside and bring out that irrationale side out sometimes. It's theurpeutic....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

funny, when we're 6-2 : "Zorn's mannerisms are so funny and original, WHAT A GUY"

When we're 7-6 : "I'm tired of Zorn and his crap."

Posted by: TheTruth11


Yep, if you perform, people could care less how it's done.

If you lose, it's time to face the music.

That's how it works in this world.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

That "something" has been missing the last few games and when you are in the playoff hunt you need that.

Posted by: Gweez | December 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect Gweez, I don't think you guys are in a playoff hunt right now. I think the way the schedule lined up may have made it feel like that, but this was always most likely to be a season of consolidation. Trouble is, I think the front office always feels like this year might just be the one and can't resist the gamble...*

* that is, there is no-one with the power to say 'no' to them.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 8, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | December 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"but the Kelly, Davis, and Tryon picks were wastes"


You can't make this stuff up....

cougs, Thomas was back in the game towards the end after he came up limping....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I have a bad, bad feeling about JLC's next post.

I think he's gonna go all out in a huge hatefest.

I think you're gonna see Leigh Torrence's name, then you'll see the word "draft picks" at least 3 times.

And there will be two, count 'em, TWO "inside sources" aka former punters with bad things to say about the front office.

We will be told everything that is wrong, and nothing of what can fix it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I mostly agree with that, the oline could have been good one more year, but wouldn't it be nice to have Heyer, Rinehart, and another 2 or 3 rounder behind this line, and over there on the Dline to have 1 or 2 young guys draft in the 2 and 4th. I don't argue with the thomas pick it was a glaring need, but the Kelly, Davis, and Tryon picks were wastes. Now the issue is both lines are falling apart, which is surprising how fast that has happened but without the old big name big money signings we have nobody in the wings to help us next year. so once again, we'll build at the core with free agents.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 2:47 PM

That's the problem with hindsight. If we drafted more OL and this OL played like they did at the end of last year, the clamoring would have been we should have drafted this way...

To me, this years play is on the coaches. As Skinz and others have pointed out, there is no intensity especially in the offensive side. The O looks totally unprepared for the defenses we are seeing.

But JZ is a rookie and needs to be given time. Just my opinion...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 8, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The Skins draft by position since 2003. Guys from each group that have made some positive impact are in ()

DB - 7 (Taylor, Rogers, Horton, Moore, Doughty, Landry)
LB - 6 (Rocky, Blades)
DL - 3 (Golston, Montgomery)

WR - 3 (Thomas?)
TE - 4 (Cooley)
OL - 4 (Dockery)
QB - 4 (Campbell)
RB - 2
P - 1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Same thing with draft, going back to 2002 (44 players total). This is actually a pretty good list in that the total number of draft picks is similar to the gameday roster size.

DB - 9 (Taylor, Rogers, Horton, Moore, Doughty, Landry, Lott)
LB - 6 (Rocky, Blades)
DL - 4 (Golston, Montgomery)

WR - 4 (Thomas?)
TE - 5 (Cooley, Royal)
OL - 6 (Dockery)
QB - 5 (Campbell, Ramsey)
RB - 4 (Cartwright, Betts)
P - 1

Of note, despite drafting 9 DBs, by far the most of any area (20%), the Skins still signed several other, high profile guys including Shawn Springs, DeAngelo Hall and Arch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see the difference between Blache and Zorn. Blache is basically in the same predicament as Zorn in that he has an outmanned Defensive line but he has creatively mixed up schemes and personnel to compensate for that. Even though they are not a dominant Defense and have been exposed in games they haven't given up more than 24 points this season. On the other hand Zorn hasn't adjusted well to his personnel defiencies on the Offensive line and he still blindly tries to run the stinking West Coast Offense by the book. The Offensive Line is terrible so why is he even running any 4 or 5 WR's sets at all. Most plays they should be in either a base offense, 2 or 3 TE's, and sometimes in 3WR's. 4 and 5 WR's should only be for 2 minute situations. Defenses are jumping all over that dink and dunk west coast junk, and our QB's strong arm is being wasted because all their doing is throwing quick patterns to compensate for the protection being so bad. These guys need to leave back 7 or 8 guys to pass block on almost every passing play and let the receivers run deeper routes. Get the rookie receivers in on more plays beside pass plays because if I can tell that when #11 or #12 come in it's 95% sure to be a pass play regardless of the down and distance than the opposing D-Coach knows as well. I still don't know how the Cowboys are getting production out of Martellus Bennett and we can't out of Fred Davis. I don't want to hear Zorn talk about Davis not being ready to contribute, because Bennett was a space cadet in the Cowboys training camp and he has been pretty productive recently. I wish Zorn well but he has to create his own style of Offense and not just try to copy what Mike Holmgren has done.

Posted by: moseley_brian | December 8, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I like Devis Thomas and Fred Davis, but we need lineman on both sides of the ball. No pass rush. The opposing quarterbacks have all day. Jason Campbell throws a good ball. But he needs time. I do not understand all of the attention to receivers last drat. I agree, the Skins need to draft down and get quantity at both sides of the line.

Posted by: bailey5 | December 8, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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