Schweigert, Verdun-Wheeler Gone; Kelly's Surgery

The team has made a couple of moves, releasing safety Stuart Schweigert and linebacker Danny Verdun-Wheeler and signing safety Patrick Ghee and fullback-tight end Pete Schmitt.

Rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Monday to remove loose particles in his left knee. Kelly, who team sources expect to miss about two weeks, had the surgery at the Andrews Institute in Gulf Breeze, Fla.

Kelly, who was taken by the Redskins with the 51st pick in the second round of the April draft, had been dealing with a hamstring injury and, in recovering from that, began to feel some stiffness in his knees, according to Jim Zorn.

He is the sixth player to have surgery since training camp opened July 20. Starting defensive end Phillip Daniels and end Alex Buzbee had season-ending injuries on the first day and have had surgery. Linebackers H.B. Blades and Rian Wallace and starting defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery also have had surgery.

Kelly tore an anterior cruciate ligament in junior high and had arthroscopic knee surgery during his sophomore year at the University of Oklahoma.

In other injury news ...

In the Hall of Fame Game, tackle Stephon Heyer sprained his right knee, and tackle Todd Wade, who was carted off, "sprained an ankle," Zorn said. "I don't know [if it is] a high ankle or a low ankle, [but] nothing with major injuries; just bumps and bruises. We're really excited about that."

By Cindy Boren  |  August 4, 2008; 6:25 PM ET
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Comments

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Bummer

Posted by: Rlowe | August 4, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ugh

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

DAM ANOTHER KNIFE DONOR.

Posted by: DAM MAYBE 5TH | August 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

DAM ANOTHER KNIFE DONOR.

Posted by: DAM MAYBE 5TH | August 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Knee to the Nads

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You know Cindy that Larry Michael has a 'Sources Meter' for JLaC now that he uses as his daily bit. I just had to laugh out loud when I read you use the term. I wonder if this back and forth will go on the whole season.

Posted by: 4th | August 4, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Interesting conversion plan (being an IT guy). Take down one your most popular sites during the peak season during prime time to convert to new software. Wow, I wish I had that kind of pull. We get stuck doing big things overnight or on weekends. Or overnight on weekends.

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | August 4, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Cindy Boren rooolz
larry michael druulz

Posted by: subbin fro chRIs larrY | August 4, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

From the previous post:

glen brenner, RIP

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 5:15 PM


Glenn Brenner was the Man! I miss him and the way he and Gordon and Maureen joked. I'll never forget the sportscaster on 9(can't remember HIS name) breaking down crying after saying "Good night, sweet prince."

Posted by: Not Anon | August 4, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'll be able to post from home after this big conversion. I might get my hopes, just like after that first drive last night.

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | August 4, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Man, they are running out of rubber gloves over there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Ken Meese, bro

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't one of the knocks on Kelley, knee issues and that is why he fell in the draft. So like this should be no big surprise. Except it happened so soon.

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | August 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The blog is going offline for a day. Looks like my work productivity will go up. Hope the boss notices

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The blog is going offline for a day. Looks like my work productivity will go up. Hope the boss notices

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 5:46 PM

Not a good idea. If he notices, he might want more productivity in the future. Ugh. Don't set the bar too high. Surf the porn, instead. Or surf the porn more, instead.

Posted by: Mull It | August 4, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

He pulls a hammie and has knee surgery? What are they doing for Wade's ankle? Vasectomy?

Posted by: SMACK | August 4, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

You gotta admit that posting under some of these OBVIOUSLY fake names (e.g., George Bush, Brett Favre, Dan Snyder, etc.) have been funny.

Why ruin it?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's a little lovefest article on Danny and Vinny for you to read, while the blog is down. Remember these days?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112800720.html

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 4, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You gotta admit that posting under some of these OBVIOUSLY fake names (e.g., George Bush, Brett Favre, Dan Snyder, etc.) have been funny.

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 5:49 PM

Can you show me one funny post under those -- or any other -- obviously fake name? I thought they were boring, tedious, and entirely predictable. Losing them is a big benefit of registration.

Being required to post under a single real name, with a single real personality, is a big loss for us schizophrenics.

Posted by: d-bag | August 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that they probably knew that Kell y needed to have some clean up on that knee all along. With the hammy injury and stiffening they decided to go ahead and do the scope now rather than wait. This way he recuperates once and gets closer to 100 percent.

One theory is that knee problems and hammy pulls are related. So that means that you need to treat both.

Posted by: stumped | August 4, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's NFC East blog reporting Steve Smith to Cowboys rumors......

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

A healthy offensive line will do more to contribute winning than either Thomas or Kelly (even if they were both healthy).

Posted by: stumped | August 4, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Great game last night. I really like that guy Chris Horton (#48) he seemed to be all over the field.

Why would Colt Brennan wear #5...is he not old enough to remember Heath Shuler?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 4, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

To the appropriately named, d-bag:

I bet you eat the same bolgna and cheese sandwich every day (with 1/3" crusts cut off); you drive a misty gray Ford Taurus with 211,000 miles; always put your pocket protector in the pocket of your shirt sleeve shirt, with clip-on tie, and your trailer is decorated with black and white trinkets pickedup from Walmart.

Posted by: George Bush, Brett Favre, and Dan Snyder, | August 4, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

How did that Taurus escape my grasp? Curses!

Posted by: Planned obsolescence | August 4, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

you know I gave that one to the first person who wanted it ... thx for stepping up Mull It

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

You gotta admit that posting under some of these OBVIOUSLY fake names (e.g., George Bush, Brett Favre, Dan Snyder, etc.) have been funny.

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 5:49 PM

Can you show me one funny post under those -- or any other -- obviously fake name? I thought they were boring, tedious, and entirely predictable. Losing them is a big benefit of registration.

Being required to post under a single real name, with a single real personality, is a big loss for us schizophrenics.

Posted by: d-bag | August 4, 2008 5:58 PM

Hey! I take that personally! And I bet so does P Diddy.

Posted by: RMilot | August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Registration? Will it restrict my ability to blog on both sides of an issue?

Posted by: John Kerry | August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's NFC East blog reporting Steve Smith to Cowboys rumors......

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 6:01 PM

Good. I hope he punches Bobby Carpenter in the nose.

Posted by: SMACK | August 4, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Registration? Will it restrict my ability to shoot someone in the face and then have them apologize to me?

Posted by: Dick Cheney | August 4, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Registration? I'm innocent.

Posted by: Ted Stevens | August 4, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Registration? I guess I'll be wearing a thong when I post. Or not.

Posted by: Britney | August 4, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Registration? It's a long time coming.

Posted by: Peter North | August 4, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Can you show me one funny post under those or any other obviously fake name?

Posted by: d-bag | August 4, 2008 5:58 PM

Well, it's been a half hour. I guess the answer is "No. Sorry, Mr. Bag."

Posted by: d-bag | August 4, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The team has made a couple of moves, releasing safety Stuart Schweigert and linebacker Danny Verdun-Wheeler and signing safety Patrick Ghee and fullback-tight end Pete Schmitt.

Posted by: update from the top | August 4, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the history link to the Danny story. I couldn't help but laugh.

"He (Danny) seemed convinced this story would be like others that he said have portrayed him as brash, arrogant, aggressive, greedy, meddlesome. I assured him that trashing him was not my intent.

"You smoke cigars?" he said, abruptly veering the conversation.

"Uh, once in a while."

"You drink beer?"

"Yeah."

"You play racquetball?"

"No, not really. . ."

"Good, I can beat you," he said, smiling. "We'll play for money."
----
OK, so what part of that conversation doesn't sound brash, arrogant, aggressive, greedy, meddlesome? Amazing how quickly Danny could turn on the a hole 'charm'.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Schwiegert -- that's a surprise -- wonder what went wrong there

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Where is my text on the personnel moves?

Posted by: text recipient | August 4, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Stuart Schwiegert didn't last long, did he? They projected him as competing for a starting spot.

Posted by: Mull It | August 4, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The way Stuart Schweigert looked last night he should be gone. I like Reid but if he doesn't step it up the next couple of games they need to think about releasing him.

Posted by: jm220 | August 4, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Schwiegert -- that's a surprise -- wonder what went wrong there

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:32 PM

He wasn't good

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Where is my text on the personnel moves?

Posted by: text recipient | August 4, 2008 6:33 PM

I have to stick up for the post on this one. I got the last two post via text message.

Posted by: jm220 | August 4, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

and why are they signing a FB/TE? Save our starters for the regular season -- seems like the only reason.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Hit refresh.

Posted by: Cindy | August 4, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see Schweigert play last night, so he coulda sucked. Still, given his age/experience, a bad night in preseason game 1 seems a bit hasty.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I already got about 11 million bruises ... stop the hitting

Posted by: Refresh | August 4, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Where is my text on the personnel moves?

Posted by: text recipient | August 4, 2008 6:33 PM

Nevermind, just got it.

Posted by: text recipient | August 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Ouch

Posted by: Refresh | August 4, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The national media just drives me crazy. Anytime they talk of the game last night, they make it clear that the clots did not start many of their starters yet do not mention that fact about the Skins. As if the Skins starters played the whole game against the clots back-up and that is why they won.

Rant off...for now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

d-bag,

In the time of chimpanzees, I was Chris Larry!

That 4 hour verbal assault on Chris Larry, that ended in the psycopath's fake suicide was hilarious.

Posted by: beck | August 4, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

or it could have been the reason for going to registration

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

the dude at redskins.com has posted 6 blogs today....and only a total of 21 comments have been posted. ugh....we get more than that in random bs over here..hahaha

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

only a total of 21 comments have been posted. ugh....we get more than that in random bs over here..hahaha

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 6:54 PM

Hell, we get more than that just in nads.

Posted by: Mull It | August 4, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Registration again?

"This will go down on your permanent record."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | August 4, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3518653

Seems like the football players at Georgia are quite the thugs.

And that's THE TRUTH!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Schweigert getting released was probably a combination of how he played last night along with practice. Plus Horton stepping up may have convinced them to move in that direction. But talk of releasing Doughty is crazy. He is a solid ST player at worst and was progressively getting better the more he played last year.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

WOw....Horton Jumpin up the depth chart!

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is no good at all. anyone thinking otherwise is being swayed by his personal life. good dude, bad NFL player.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Stu, we hardly knew ya. Please turn in your playbook.

Posted by: Greg Blache | August 4, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Stu,

Even Arch Deluxe lasted longer than you. And he had a hot wife.....check out Jennifer Wolcott (didn't want to post a link due to risque photos)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Will registration stick around this time?

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Mayebe Schweigerts released because laron will be devoted to FS and the horton kid looked good at SS....have my doubts on reed though.

Posted by: WVskinsfan | August 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is no good at all. anyone thinking otherwise is being swayed by his personal life. good dude, bad NFL player.

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 7:29 PM

I'm sick of the anons posting this crapola. The only one's who want him off the team are the one's that look at his personal life. After Sean Taylor's death - Doughty was solid. Pure and simple. LaRon Landry makes anyone better back there and Doughty was solid. Saturday, he missed some tackles but so did Smoot.

As for saftey, the two rookies Horton and Moore along with Fox, Landry, and Doughty, throw in Springs and you've got your 2008 'skins interior backfield. At corners you've got Springs, Smoot, Rogers, Torrence, Tryon, and maybe Westbrook. We'll see if Richardson's interception helps him get on the field more next week. 10 dbs. Scweigert out is because the guy wasn't going to be any better than what they drafted and to give a shot somewhere else.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 4, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Doughty showed plenty last year. He's a starter and a good one.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Tryon got humbled a little last night??

Posted by: WVskinsfan | August 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Ben -

I agree - Doughty filled in admirably for Taylor last year after the shooting. Maybe he, and the rest of the team, was caught up in the emotion. Reed did not look very good last night.

Can't agree with you about anons, though. I never really care if posts are signed or not.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone get to beta test the new features?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Tryon was very fast. But was Tryon playing smart?

He got burned one time pretty bad. He had is man covered, with one arm out it front and just didn't make the play. My guess is he lost sight of the ball.

He may be a bit of a project, but with his speed, I'd say he was a keeper.

Posted by: Stumped | August 4, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone no who was backing up Rabach? Was it Crummey? Also, Nemo? Don't remember seeing him on the field. Could he be out for Schmidt?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 4, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I only care when Anons take truely cheep shots. Or if they are cowpie fans.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Stumped

Look like he had a play on the ball on the pass interference play and his speed does look good

Posted by: WVskinsfan | August 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I only care when Anons take truely cheep shots. Or if they are cowpie fans.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:05 PM

My point is that I don't care if it is an anon or a signed post.

My two beliefs on RI:

1. All are welcome.
2. Dribble is dribble whether it is signed or not.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought Collins looked bad too. I know people were saying it was the second string line but to me it looked as if collins hesitated with his throws leading to the sacks.

Posted by: WVskinsfan | August 4, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The Skins stink. You all should get lives and stop wasting your time on them.

Posted by: Big Blue | August 4, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Big Blue is that as in oyester?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 4, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Horton is almost sure to see action on Teams.

Pound for pound he may not pack the same punch as say LL, but he seemed fast last night.

Posted by: Stumped | August 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

1. Reed did not look very good last night.
I thought Reed was playing Free Safety in place of LaRon? Can we all agree that there is a pretty big dropoff in talent there, and playing FS when you spent most of your time as SS is a relevant change?
2. Dribble is dribble whether it is signed or not.
Drivel. But your point is well made. Registration doesn't solve any of the issues in our little community.
3. I thought Collins looked bad too.
I thought Collins looked worse than Brennan, but then again Brennan could scramble, while that is not how Collins rolls. The gulf between what Collins and Brennan are capable of is ... oceanic. The worrisome thing is that the gulf between Collins and JC may be just as wide.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 4, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex, noticed your post on the religious speeches at the Hall. Coulda done with a lot less of that, even from Art and Darrell. Did you notice the Jewish guy didn't overdo it?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Umm no, kokbangben, that would be Big Blue as in Super Bowl Champs.

Posted by: Big Blue | August 4, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Also I would augment what I said to say I equally hate people who do the same "cheep shots and whatnot" when they use a name and go "hit and run"

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Umm no, bangkokben, that would be Big Blue as in Super Bowl Champs. I know that concept is hard to grasp for you Skins fans, since it is such a distant memory. 17 years and counting, and your team stinks.

Posted by: Big Blue | August 4, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Here's something pretty flattering from CHFF on Big Poo.

Giants Fillability Overview
We're still searching for indications that the Giants of the 2007 regular season were capable of becoming the champion Giants of the 2007 postseason.

We'll probably never find it.

It's really just stunning to consider that Big Blue won the Super Bowl last year when you look at this team through the lens of our Quality Stats: the Giants were mediocre to bad in most areas of the game last year. Just look at their average rank in our Quality Stats of 16.4 (among 32 teams). According to our advanced calculations, 16.4 out of 32 equals slightly below average. Then, somehow, they turned it all around in the playoffs. There's never been anyhing like it in NFL history


more here
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2315_Fillability_Index%3A_NFC_East.html

Posted by: Stumped | August 4, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Al Zeke, thats because of the whole jewish thing (like what Lewis Black said) about Jews getting the metaphorical nature of religion and most not being near as obsessed with it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought Tryon was some crap last night...I hope he gets better though.

Horton looked good!

Collins looks like he's lost.

Brennan's release is funny as hell!

It was a good win, not just for the score, but if y'all noticed, everybody seemed more relaxed including Zorn.

I think the vets' body language was key. They all seemed to believe in what they were doing.

I really wanna see JC and our new WR's on the field.

Fred Davis looked good. He's a big guy!!!

I went to Training Camp, and I was up close. Justin Tryon is easily the smallest guy on this team. Randle-El is small too. Moss is short but more cut up than I thought.

Regardless of whether it counts, Zorn had to win this game

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought Tryon was some crap last night...I hope he gets better though.

Horton looked good!

Collins looks like he's lost.

Brennan's release is funny as hell!

It was a good win, not just for the score, but if y'all noticed, everybody seemed more relaxed including Zorn.

I think the vets' body language was key. They all seemed to believe in what they were doing.

I really wanna see JC and our new WR's on the field.

Fred Davis looked good. He's a big guy!!!

I went to Training Camp, and I was up close. Justin Tryon is easily the smallest guy on this team. Randle-El is small too. Moss is short but more cut up than I thought.

Regardless of whether it counts, Zorn had to win this game

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Alex, but do you know which guy it was?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought Reid look bad last night. He has to improve plan and simple. Am I ready to slap him with the hammer and show him the door? No but I would like to see some improvement over the next couple of games.

Collins looked bad. Held onto the ball way too long. The one pass that he missed a open receiver in the flat looked like he didn't have the arm strength.

Posted by: jm220 | August 4, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

so registration is returning? that sucks. i'm thinking; should i continue with post like these...

nads.

it looks like it pisses some people off, but if m'f'ers can talk about cowboy movies and other dumb meaningless nonsense then truly NADS can't be that bad.

steadfast nads.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Someday the some atheist or non-christian is going to go after a HOF speech that goes overboard. And before you know it they will get in hot water and then a rule will go into place that no one in the NFL can mention God ever again.

Its all part of the evolution of all religions.

Well except that in the past it eventually ended in bloody violence, witch style burnings and ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The preseason is most important for ... Jim Zorn. He has the steepest learning curve about managing games.

Of all the things the Skins did in the offseason, keeping Joe Bugel might have been as important as any. Obviously Bugel can coach along the o-line, but he's also been a HC, so he has a good idea of what goes into running a game. Zorn can tap into that. Bugel's NFL experience level is as good as anyone in football and he was in the inner circle on a team that brought home 3 Lombardi's.

Zorn seems to be a guy who'd go to Bugel and ask for his guidance. I'm thinking that could be a big help to this team.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I am a Christian and have no problem with a Jew, Muslim or Buddhist giving praises to their gods.

Who are we to say that religion has no place in their speech, as long as it doesn't turn into a sermon.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

1. Reed did not look very good last night.
I thought Reed was playing Free Safety in place of LaRon? Can we all agree that there is a pretty big dropoff in talent there, and playing FS when you spent most of your time as SS is a relevant change?

No, the Late Stuart Schweigert played FS.

Horton looked great,tho no one blocked him on his sacks. They're high on Kareem Moore. Guess they figured Fox was a better bet, too.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Honestly no. I changed channels when everyone not a skin was up there.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Right, because bloody violence and ethnic cleansing are in our past.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

A change of subject...

Does Brian Mitchell really belong in the HOF?

What do you guys think?


Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

as a Muslim I couldn't agree with you more sicwidit.

Posted by: jm220 | August 4, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Sic, you were listening to Sheehan and B Mitch this morning, weren't you?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell? No. Not even close.
Andre Tippett is the answer (Zimmerman was once asked about being one of the few Jewish players in the league and had to set the reporter straight on what happens when you assume ...)

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd say no.

Mitchell = very, very good player
Not elite though.

Posted by: Stumped | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

From NFL DRAFTDOG He nailed it about schweigert...

Washington Redskins NFL Team Column

By John Corcoran

4 August 2008


IN LOVE, WAR, AND FOOTBALL, FIRST IMPRESSIONS COUNT

My late Father, a career Air Force Officer, used to say the first test of a brand new weapons system was crucial. If it worked the first time out, even if it failed the next nine tests, it was likely to be authorized by Congress and bought by the Defense department. However, if it failed the first few times, even if the manufacturers knew what the problem was and how to fix it, it was likely doomed. Seeing something work perfectly with your own eyes right away greatly increases the "Belief" factor.

And so, despite caveats, despite the knowledge that Indy was playing without Peyton Manning and a bunch of other starters, despite bitter memories of Steve Spurrier's opening win and subsequent crash and burn, I now believe in Jim Zorn.

This is no overnight romance. Watching him day after day in his press conferences, reading about the rave endorsements from Seattle co-workers when the 'skins were wooing him, made me believe he had the potential for something special.

In general, successful leaders fall into two categories, those who scare you into following them, and those who make you do extraordinary things because you don't wish to disappoint them. The Lombardis and Schottenheimers fall into the first category. Joe Gibbs, to name one, falls into the latter-as does Coach Zorn.

Almost everything went right Sunday night in Canton, Ohio. (A great town, not anything like that miserable Canton, Kansas. Address your complains to "The Colbert Report.").

Before we hash over the good and bad performances let me mention two things that helped cement my belief in Zorn and Company.

The first was the sight of the Redskins offensive line staying onside, play after play, and despite the large numbers of people playing different positions and reacting to four different QB cadences. This kind of discipline is encouraging early in the year, and particularly so to a team that had issues all last year in that area. The second moment was seeing the expression on the faces of Springs, Smoot and other DBs after rookie Matteral Richardson took an interception to the House to seal the win. It was shear ecstasy, a sign of a team pulling together.

Onto the specifics:

GOOD VETERAN PERFORMANCES:

QB JASON CAMPBELL: He was five for five with a touchdown pass 77 seconds into the game.
QB TODD COLLINS: The word out of camp was Collins wasn't catching on to the new system. Apparently wrong, as he looks confident and competent in his first outing in more than a decade under a system NOT designed by Al Saunders.
VET RECEIVERS: Moss, Randle El and Cooley did nothing to unseat themselves as opening day starters, despite the drafting of three receivers with the Redskins top three picks. "Blocking" TE Todd Yoder caught three passes, too.
CORNERS: Springs and Smoot, who didn't play much, looked healthy and solid. Smoot dropped a possible interception, but hey, that's Smoot.
RB ROCK CARTWRIGHT: He has a battle on his hands, but ran the ball well and he's a known quantity as a special teams player. No one threatened to take his return man job away.

GOOD NEW GUY PERFORMANCES

QB COLT BRENNAN: A supposedly rag-armed system QB with bad post-season outings pushed this once-likely first rounder down the charts to where the Skins could nab him in the sixth round. Does 9/10 for two TDs and a 157 QB rating mean he's now the steal of the draft? Not yet, but watch this space.
S CHRIS HORTON: Talk about good first impressions. Horton recovered a surprise onside kick that started the game, and then added two sacks and a number of quality hits. He may have made the team first time out.
TE FRED DAVIS: Caught three balls, one impressively.
OL CHAD RHINEHART: Played guard and tackle and impressed at both. He's beginning to look likea ten year starter already.
CB MATTERAL RICHARDSON: Skins are woefully thin at CB. Taking an INT in for TD helps one's chances, to say the least.
RB MARCUS MASON: 98 yards rushing all but assures he makes the squad or catches on elsewhere.
DE ROB JACKSON: Would have had two sacks, but jumped offside and one was negated. Still, a nice outting.

INCOMPLETE

THE STARTING OLINE: Samuels wasn't supposed to play, but started at Left Tackle. Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas, who missed most of last year, were back. Left guard Pete Kendall and Center Casey Rabach started, meaning the guys expected to play last year were on the field together for the first time in a year. Jansen got beaten on an inside move for a sack, but otherwise they acquitted themselves well. Still, not enough PT to make a judgment.

NOT A GOOD NIGHT

T STEPHON HEYER: Last year's big find at tackle had off night, but no need to push panic alarm soon.
CB J.T. TRYON: Gave up big catch near end of first half and interfered to boot.
S STUART SCHWEIGERT: Gave up TD pass when he took wrong route to cover WR. Iffy performance and solid effort from rookie Horton doesn't bode well.
S REED DOUGHTY: Okay, he was covering maybe best TE in the game, Dallas Clarke, but not covering him well.
WR MALCOLM KELLY: Didn't play, and then underwent arthroscopic knee surgery Monday. He'll miss at least two weeks.
Otherwise, according to Coach Zorn, it's mostly just bumps and bruises on the injury front.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I have no problems with people talking about religion all they want because I can either mute the television, walk away from the individual, or sink back into dirty thoughts about Jessica Alba and otherwise ignore them. They have as much right to say what's on their mind as I do to ignore them.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit

But where is the dividing line? I mean with religions that claim a tenant to go out an actively convert (muslim and christian) when do we know that they are not trying to?

My own religion, democratic philosophy-ism doesn't really do it.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, a couple of those speeches were quite preachy. Give praise if you want, but the rest leaves me cold.

I thought Emmitt Thomas said it well and I really liked his request to put include his grandfather's name in his own name for his Hall plaque. Very touching

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The Lord told me to talk about him all the time. The Lord also told me to take 2 timeouts in a row.

Posted by: Joe | August 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh Jessica, sweet Jessica.

(I like it)

Posted by: Stumped | August 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

++++Didn't see Schweigert play last night, so he coulda sucked. Still, given his age/experience, a bad night in preseason game 1 seems a bit hasty.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 6:38 PM++++


Well, they DID have two weeks of practice upon which to base an evaluation. And I recall Blache adamantly saying Doughty was his starting safety, so he knew.

Doughty WAS trying to cover Clarke last night, no easy task, and without starting LBs or Landry to help out. But Horton just LOOKs like a player, and he will KNOCK YOU OUT..


Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

As for Brian Mitchell, I'd put Gary Clark, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jim Lachey, Charles Mann and Dave Butz into the Hall before I'd put in Mitchell. If you're not an every down player, you need to have a massive impact ... Mitchell was a very good special teams guy.

But massive impact is Devin Hester. Darrell Green and Deion Sanders were both better return men that Mitchell. They were just too valuable to return kicks often.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 8:52 PM

Um, most of us are home now. No firewalls at home, but thanks for hurting my eyes.

Posted by: one more before registration takes effect | August 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you guys that it can go overboard. But we don't know what influence religion has had in someone's life. I do get turned off with Bible quotes in speeches, but if you feel God got you through a tough part in your career or your family then I say go for it.

But now back to football.

Yes, I was listening to Mitchell and Sheehan. My opinion on Mitchell was this. Mitchell's best years were with the Redskins. In his later years, he a lot of mouth and after he'd have a return for little gain he's brandish the "tough guy" act, when in actuality he did not make that big of a play.

Don't get me wrong, but tough guys like that kind of turn me off a bit (except Mike Sellars). It's the quiet guys, I'd worry about. Guys like Largent, Payton and Marvin Harrison are just as tough if not tougher than B-Mitch...although shooting a guy in a bar like Harrison doesn't count (LMAO)

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

There will be no more inductees from the Joe Gibbs era of football. Maybe Russ Grimm, as he was actually named to an All-Decade team, but none of the others will make it to the final ballot. And given the big Redskins fan turnout this weekend, I don't think the HOF electors will be naming a Redskins player next year.

That era is over and done with. The book was closed this weekend.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

nooo say it ain't so P.

There is still a chance for some skin some where.

I mean Bruce Smith needs to get in don't he?


Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT WHO PLAYED WELL AND WHO DIDNT LASTNIGHT. WE STILL DONT HAVE A FG KICKER.

Posted by: DODSON | August 4, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

My Challenge to Skins fans everywhere. Bruce Smith gets in... We must out number fans from the Bills.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Of the Skins that aren't in, Butz, Jacoby and Gary Clark should be in the conversation, into the top 15 at least once in a while. Grimm is the only guy who has a Hall shot. If you think about it, Grimm is really the only long term Redskin with a Hall shot for another 15 years or more.

None of the current 30-ish vets are going to the Hall. It'd have to be one of the young guys like Cooley, Campbell or Landry. Jason Taylor is a candidate, but his top years were as a Fin.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I actually agree with you Diddy, however, I'm not sure they can deny the dominance of the HOGS. Any time an O-Lineman comes up for the HOF, the question must always be asked..."is he better than Grimm...Jacoby", but the sheer politics of it all leads me to beleive your prediction is true.

They have to get Lester Hayes in and I don't even like the Raiders. (Stabler is still questionable)

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you made that remark over the weekend, that this weekend ended the Gibbs era ... and I think you made an incredibly astute observation. That was the last hurrah, so to speak.

Even if Grimm goes in, its different. Grimm is respected, but he moved on to coach with other teams. Green and Monk stayed in the community and clearly, they have a special bond because of it.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith ain't no real Redskin, just like Art Monk ain't no real Jet.

I could care less about Bruce Smith

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Makes me sad to think about how Sean Taylor exhibited all the signs of a future Hall of Famer...

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | August 4, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

My Challenge to Skins fans everywhere. Bruce Smith gets in... We must out number fans from the Bills.


Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 9:15 PM

-------

Seriously, who cares about Bruce Smith?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Stabler isn't close ... and he shouldn't be. Rod Woodson is a lock at corner, as is Deion. Hayes seems like he should be a strong candidate.

There probably is an anti-Redskin bias going on at the HOF. But I can't really argue strongly for anyone beyond Grimm, Jacoby and Clark. And Clark mostly because he stacks up incredibly closely to Irvin and Reed, plus letting Lynn Swann in was a 'bar lowering' thing.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

ST21 had HOF potential, no doubt.

Other than Jason Taylor, what current Skin looks like a he has a good chance? At this point, I don't see anyone.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If you let Swann in, then you have to let John Jefferson in (same player, except Swann has rings)

I'd put Steve Tasker in way before Brian Mitchell (sorry B-Mitch...don't kick my azz)

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

My .02 on the Stuart, Reed thing. Their performances pretty much illustrate the benefits of having one good safety in the backfield. Reed plays well when he has another guy back there that can play. You see what happens when you have 2 safeties that aren't starting calibre, they both look bad. Reed will be okay once Laron is back there. Hope he's back soon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I have not seen anyone mention this but what was a huge glaring positive for me was the fact the offense had a ton of 2nd and shorts through out the entire game. Have not seen that often in recent years.

Posted by: Leevi | August 4, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Isn't funny how people have al these great things to say about ST but said little of it when he was alive...

Give me my flowers while I'm alive...

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

My opinion of the higs and HOF...I say Buegl should get into the hall because he built and coached the Hogs....He is considered one of the best O line coaches in history...I say Buggs to the HOF!!!!

Posted by: Leevi | August 4, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

++++And given the big Redskins fan turnout this weekend, I don't think the HOF electors will be naming a Redskins player next year.

That era is over and done with. The book was closed this weekend.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 9:11 PM++++

Wow, P, are you EVER not hired as my Marketting dude. I think exactly the opposite of what you clam is true. The huge Redskins turnout is an encouragement to vote more guys wearing the red and yellow in the HOF.

You tell me, that nets don't get goosy-bumpy at four minute standing Ovations? Or overflow crowds? You tell me the NFL doens't LOVE class acts like Monk and Darrell praising the Lord? If they're thrown in Mom and apple pie they'd STILL be there, applauding.

If the game's ratings were good, it's a lead pipe cinche more Skins will be there.

The HOF most definitely needs a HOG or two. Grimm and Jacoby would be a great place to start.

Of course the downside is idiot sportswriters vote...so who knows what the hell will happen.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 4, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Tasker is a No. Great at what he did, but special teams is just not enough unless your Devin Hester.

3 guys who played with the Skins have a shot. Deion, Bruce Smith and Andre Reed. But they were all mediocre with the Skins.

One guy who played for the Skins and did well late in his career and deserves better from the HOF voters is Henry Ellard.

In 1995, the year Monk and Clark retired, the top 8 all-time receiving yard leaders were
Rice, Lofton, Largent, Monk, Ellard, Joiner, Maynard and Gary Clark.

The only 2 not in the Hall? Clark and Ellard (ok, technically, Rice isn't in, but there isn't any doubt). Clark played in fewer games than any guy on that list ... I think he was 2nd or 3rd among those players in average yards per game.

Ellard retired in 3rd place in all-time yards (behind Lofton and Rice).

Two guys who played well in the burgundy and gold ... and aren't even in the top 15 with the voters. No love for two guys who deserve more consideration than they are getting.

No HOGS in the Hall. Monk, the best all around WR after Jerry Rice, waits for 8 years. There is a bias -- no doubt.

Posted by: Al Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

If they get in because of some ratings and hoopla then the HOF becomes a sham.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I can make a great case for Gary Clark into the Hall by comparing him to Reed, Irvin and Swann. Especially if you allow in Clark's one subpar USFL season (since its the Pro Football HOF, not the NFL HOF).

I can also make a very strong case for Monk and Clark as the best WR pair in NFL history (Stallworth/Swann and Bruce/Holt are the others that should be considered)

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll say this FOR the HOF voters. There are very few guys in there that weren't special players. I can dislike Irvin and strongly question why he got in ahead of Monk, but Irvin does belong.

Swann is one of the few that just makes no sense to me.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If they get in because of some ratings and hoopla then the HOF becomes a sham.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 9:46 PM

If they start going in as "units", then the place is really shot. Fourth Floor: Killer B's Defense.

Posted by: SMACK | August 4, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Chris Carter is next up

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

When I make it to Canton I want to go in as a Viking

Posted by: Brett Farve | August 4, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting a $20K bonus to make sure Brett ends his career as a Packer.

Thursday.

Posted by: Packers 5th String DE | August 4, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The national media just drives me crazy. Anytime they talk of the game last night, they make it clear that the clots did not start many of their starters yet do not mention that fact about the Skins. As if the Skins starters played the whole game against the clots back-up and that is why they won.

Rant off...for now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 6:49 PM

I was thiking the same thing. 7 starters on the skins defense didn't play at all.

Posted by: J | August 4, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

something something "Verdun" something something "Guns of August" something something

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 4, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse


ST21 had HOF potential, no doubt.

Other than Jason Taylor, what current Skin looks like a he has a good chance? At this point, I don't see anyone.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 9:32 PM

Look at Portis's numbers. IF he stays on pace. He has a good shot. How many pro bowls does Samuels have? He has a shot. If the two win a super bowl it will help

Posted by: j | August 4, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

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I've thought long & hard about this. I'm going to write everything I've always wanted to you RI readers. Here it goes:

Posted by: Josh | August 4, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Samuels has 5 pro bowls. If he can make 3 more and win the super bowl he will be in the conversation

Posted by: j | August 4, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Just thinking of Reed Doughtly pisses me off!

Posted by: Monkalicious | August 4, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope someone from the HOF gives me a call. If Michael Irvin can get in, why can't I ??

Free Chris Larry !

Posted by: Dexter Manley | August 4, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Free Timmy Smith !!! #36 for Life !!

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 4, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a long shot. So far, just one Pro Bowl. But he could have a lot of career left.

Samuels has a shot, 5 Pro Bowls help. Still, he hasn't been put in the same category as Walter Jones Ogden or Pace.

At this point, I don't see Portis or Samuels as having a good chance. A chance? Yes. Good chance? Not so much.

A Super Bowl win would change be improve their odds a lot. That also falls into the category: 'a chance'? yes. a good chance? no.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Has Samuels ever had a dominating season? I'm asking because I can't recall.

Portis is a running back, so the promise of a long career ahead is only one knee injury away from being unfulfilled. I hope he does it, but is he really a game changing, dominating running back? I don't know yet. He proved in 2005 that he could carry a team on his shoulders alone. That was as impressive a string of running back performances as I've ever seen. But he has not been consistent or healthy in DC.

As for Grimm, I do agree that he is a HOFer (he's on the 1980s All-Decade Team, and throughout his career he was among the more dominating players on the offensive line). There is no one else from the Gibbs era that I would put on the HOF list.

Here are some non-Redskins to debate...we all know Favre and Brady get in. What about Peyton Manning? Ladainian Tomlinson? Randy Moss? Junior Seau? Who else among the current crop of players would you consider, and who is a lock?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Portis has enough talent to make a HOF statement; he'll need to put the team on his back and make a statement in the next 2-3 years if he wants consideration. Otherwise, he's just another RB.
I like Samuels, and maybe opposing DEs have some respect for him. But he's in a tough position to get the kind of attention he would need. Very little chance -- maybe if lightning strikes and Portis running off LT gets 2,000 yards/year and a couple of rings.
One can dream, right?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 4, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Put another way, Diddy, since everyone loves a dynasty, who from the Pats besides Brady and Belicheat will ride the wave of those three titles into the Hall? Seymour? Tedy freakin' Bruschi?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 4, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith WILL be inducted into the HOF at some point....but he will go in as a Buffalo Bill.

Corkczar, I agree with you. The HOF made lots of $$$$ with all those Skins fans. I heard the merchandise sold out and they had to stop selling tickets.

Posted by: Lisa | August 4, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

peyton's in.

he's the ultimate media darling. he's what arod and jeter are to baseball.

speaking of which, anyone sick of seeing him in ads?

if it wasn't bad enough with just peyton, now eli is in everything with him.

by the way, let's recall when the skins traveled to the meadowlands last year after 21's passing and DESTROYED the superbowl champ giants.

i don't think they're scared to go up there on opening night, either.

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 4, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I think another few seasons at his usual level will get London Fletcher at least into the Hall conversation... he does have a ring, with the Rams.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 4, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Tony Gonzalez... Ray Lewis...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 4, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Grimm should be in the HoF, 100%...I am only a bit less outraged over that than I was Monk. Other than that, Diddy's right. Mann, Clark, Jacoby, Lachey.....all close but wont get in.

On the religious speeches....not my bag, but whateves its their moment. I will say that I wish their montages and intro speeches a featured them as players a bit more.

Diddy Peyton seau are locks, Thmlinson if he plays 3 more yerars at elite level and Moss if he wins championship

OH and in my effort to ignore the Favre drama, I missed that my boy Mark Murphy ex-skins safety was their team president. I loved that dude back in the day!!!! what a gamer back then. Glad he is the peace broker in that mess!

B-Mitch, while not a HoF, is an all time skin, a great player and one of my fave skins ever. Got railroaded out of town (like clark and Wilbur before him) for being exactly the kind of dude they loved previously. Hearing people say Deon was better kick returner makes me want to puke blood and bile......

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree that based on what we think we think about what goes on in that room, the HOF election process involves some really dumb politics and hinges on the opinions of some real dopes, but it's a real stretch to entertain the idea that their decisions will in any way be affected by the turnout of Skins fans in Canton this past weekend.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 4, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

b mitchell deserves to be in the hall, but isn't because his forte was special teams.

he excelled in the least sexy, least paid attention to part of the game.

mike nelms. is he in the hall of fame?

either way, both ballers.

b. mitchell was the last trash talker the skins have had that could actually back it up.

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 4, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Is Ken Houston in? If he's not he should be. I always liked Mark Mosely as a kicker. Didn't he hold the career points record at one point? I liked Ken Harvey as well. I doubt any of these will see the HoF though. Grimm, Jacoby, Clark should get in. Butz was a monster but won't make it. I liked Mann and Manley as well but don't think either has a shot, although Mann has a better shot than Manley.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 5, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Anyone on the RI ever get a blumpkin?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

No way Larry Michael doesn't make it in the hall for his awesome broadcasts. I'm sure they can add Snyder's jock to Larry's bronze bust.

Posted by: David | August 5, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The Dauphine writes: Then you can fall into an exhausted sleep until it returns and maybe we can was the last to post on Loseable Type 1.0.

I must take the literary gloves off, as she is the Editrix, and therefore must be held to a slightly higher standard than the unwashed masses. More importantly, I am intrigued by the possibilities of what, exactly, "maybe we can" to whoever "was the last to post..."

So, fill in the blank:
"Maybe we can ___________ was the last to post on Loseable Type 1.0"

1. shabingize whoever
F3. send a free subscription for wapo.com to whoever
e. send a garden gnome to whoever
&. mIScaPITalizE WhoEvER

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 5, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

#. award bonus points

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

What happens to Schweigert's money that he got when he signed the deal? Does his money go back to the $1.8M we had remaining under the cap since we cut him? Everything but the bonus goes back to the available money because it was the only portion guaranteed? Is this right?

It seems a little bit hasty but maybe he had really lost a few steps. Perhaps we can get a decent linebacker off the scrap heap, someone with one or two decent years left. Some cannon fodder until Fletch and Blades get wheels back.

To bad Thomas AND Kelly are falling behind at the same time. McMullen looked pretty good though. Did not see much Thrash or Mix out there.

Posted by: Western Sizzler | August 5, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we ought to can the poor desperate bastard who was the last to post on Loseable Type 1.0.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Mix did not play due to hammy injury. Hopefully he will be in the next game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Nate, what happens if that person is you???

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see Jansen lunging on a missed block that led to the sack of Campbell during one of the early offensive series? I thought I saw him sort of run-limping at training camp. I wonder if his leg will ever be the same.

I wonder if you use different leg action on run blocking (where Jansen may still be effective) but if his back pedal dealing with speed moves from DE's is limited or gone altogether?

Posted by: West Sizz II | August 5, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

On a different note, and going back to the Colt Brennan show, many talk about his awkward throwing motion. I say that if Bernie Kosar could have the career he did with his side arm delivery, that Colt can be successful in this league with his throwing motion.

Not to say his is Bernie Kosar, but he seems to have good instincts. I think, like Zorn has invigorated the team, that we need his type of attitude here.

I am definitely not anti-Campbell. In fact, I would like to see JC lead us to the promised land, but think he lacks the killer instinct attitude.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Jansen did not look as sharp as I've seen him and hope that that is due to his lack of playing over the last few years. Hopefully by game one he is back in form.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I know Nate in the PDX is happy that registration will be back.

I am sort of interested to get some scoop from La Confora on Joe D2 Flacco, of the Baltimore Dirty Birds who according to reports has looked somewhat suspect in the early going.

I'd love a Ravens "hot seat" sponsored by Nat Lite or Pabst Blue Ribbon with Jla as the host, Flacco as the guest. Microwave hot dogs in the "green room" before hand. The works.

Posted by: Sizzlean | August 5, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Still a lot of games to be played to see how the 'battles' play out; first cut is only five guys - unless you outright suck like Schwiegert and hyphenated name guy. The cut is August 26th after the Panthers game - the game the starters play the whole first half. Then the last cut where they get rid of the last 22 guys is after the Jax game - that should be where guys on the bubble are playing in the second quarter and the guys knowing that there done are playing in the fourth quarter trying to make someone else's team or the practice squad. Dan Devine must know he has little chance to third qb unless he gets more p.t.

But guys like Mix and Moore better get healthy or they will find themselves without a job.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 5, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

I know that I would like to see certain players make the team this year and take us as far as possible in the playoffs. But what I learned from the game on Sunday is that Zorn seems to know what he is doing.

He looked completely poised, and confident on the sidelines and as a head coach, so I know that he will keep the right players to fit his system. I just feel we will win with the players he keeps.

Right now what I know is that I cannot wait until opening day and us going into Giants stadium and stealing a game. I am looking forward to CP having a career year. To our offense opening up and surprising many opponents. To JC showing that he is the real deal.

Although we are closer to opening day then we have been all offseason, I do not know how I am going to survive until then. Sunday started my blood going like only a beautiful (hot) woman does and these next few weeks will be hard to endure.

I am ready for some football!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 5, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

I think Fletcher is terrific, but he's never been to a Pro Bowl. Totally should have been there last year. Ken Houston got in quickly, as he should have.

Sorry to say it, but Grimm is the only Skin with a shot. The voters have already spoken on Butz, Jacoby and Clark. They aren't in the final 15, which means they aren't close.

Isaac Bruce is going in, so is Harrison. Owens and Randy Moss, are likely as are Holt and Tony Gonzales. At QB, Favre, Manning (just 1), Brady are all locks. Big Ben is on his way.

Faulk, Curtis Martin, Bettis (popular) all have a good chance. LT is the only other RB I can think of thats looking solid at this point. Edgerrin James with a few more good years.

Walter Jones, Steve Hutchison, Alan Faneca, Orlando Pace, Wille Roaf Jonathan Ogden along the line

Strahan and Jason Taylor are among the best DL. I like Bryant Young, but he was on the obscure side playing with SF. Seau is a lock.

LB, Ray Lewis comes to mind, Derrick Brooks and Zach Thomas

I think Aneas Williams, Rodney Harrison and Ed Reed are all looking good and Polamalu is on his way. And yes, Champ, too

Add Devin Hester and Vinitieri and thats my incomplete list.

A lot of guys with too much left to prove, like Portis and Merriman, could be on it in a few years.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 5, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Curzon,

I got agree with you, I can't wait for Giants game. I can't imagine the 'skins feeling like underdogs there. Great win for the g-men in the SB but come on flukey - how many times did the Pat's d choke on that last drive?

Al Zeke etc, only Hester I would say is questionable - he still has show logevity. For me, it's too soon. Remember Donte Hall? He looked all-world for awhile. I'd also put Shields over Faneca at this point but without superbowls, a hog may get in before some of those guys.

I'd agree that book may be closed on the 'skin dynasty save for the veterans committee in another 10-15 years. A hog will get in one day perhaps posthumously.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 5, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Like a large herd of reindeer gathering to trek from summer feeding grounds in Lapland to a more hospitable winter home in the south, we finish rapidly our preparations for the great blog migration.

Beware the crevasses.

Posted by: Suomi | August 5, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh Loseable Type
You crush our words and spirit
Blog fodder we are

Posted by: Ukiah | August 5, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Leevi;

As for the HD sound issues, you mentioned the compression to the tuner. I assume you mean the stereo tuner? What about when there is just the speakers on the TV being used.

I was at my bor in laws and noticed it on comcast too. I have looked at the audio settings and then didnt seem off. Maybe if it is high quality audio (like TMX) it doesnt come out right on those piddily speaker on the TV?

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

And for the record, yes I like the Dan Snyder etc.. stuff. But the true hardcores who do that realize they can use more than one handle if they have more than one email address to use for WAPO Reg.

I know verizon gives you 8 free, or something to that effect.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Does Brian Mitchell really belong in the HOF?

What do you guys think?

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 8:49 PM

They kind of addressed this a bit on NFLN's Top 10 Players Not in the HoF. Guys who were great special teamers don't get the respect they deserve if they aren't contributors on offense/defense. Special teamers are often times guys who aren't good enough to be an every down player, not to mention the fact that they're only on the field a handful of times a game. For that reason, B-Mitch never gets a mention despite holding the record for return TDs (at least until the end of this year when Hester shatters it).

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Nobody on the Skins current roster will be a Hall of Famer unless they win a Super Bowl. In which case, Portis is in the conversation (provided he gets to 10,000 yards and 100 TDs) and Samuels if has a couple more Pro-Bowl years. Unless one of this year's rookies becomes great, that's it.

I have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment about Sean Taylor being a Hall of Famer. We all love him here and wish he were still with us, but I think he's being a bit romanticized because he's gone. Sean played 4 years, only 2 of which earned him a Pro-Bowl. The only way he would even get in the conversation is if he had something outlandish like 10 picks a year. Gale Sayers only played only about 6 years and he got in because his stats were ridiculous for that short amount of time.

Having said that, I think that if he were to stay healthy and play 10 years or so, he would have changed the game. He was that phenomenal. And he's completely deserving of being in the team's Ring of Honor. But I don't think that he's earned a spot in Canton or to get his number retired.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Alex, noticed your post on the religious speeches at the Hall. Coulda done with a lot less of that, even from Art and Darrell. Did you notice the Jewish guy didn't overdo it?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 8:25 PM

You might as well say that you can do without D Green and Art Monk there as well. This is who they are, and will always be. Their faith is much more important to them than the NFL or the HOF.

Posted by: drbatchelor | August 5, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I dont think anyone was saying he is going to make it to the HoF, I think they are saying he would have, had he not been gunned down. At least I think thats what is being said.

Personally I think any NFL player who dies tragically should have a jersey in the HoF. I saw Farve's from some game, and other memorabilia... that was a gray day in the NFl and everyone paid tribute, so it seems fitting the the HoF would commemorate that.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

When we see a person in need, we may want to give them something as a way of helping them, but if we give without taking the time to see who they really are, honoring that most of all, our gift is nowhere near as powerful as it could be. We may want to give a homeless person a sandwich, for example, but if we give it without also taking a moment to look the person in the eye, making authentic contact, we rob them of the experience of being human.

Being in a position of need leaves a lot of people feeling vulnerable and full of self-doubt. The greatest gift we can give is to meet people in need without judgment and with the awareness that we are not superior to them simply because we are not currently in their position. If we take the long view, we can see that we all began life in need of a lot of care and attention, and many of us end life in the same way. Giving and receiving are companion energies that take turns throughout our lives, and we all get a chance to be on both sides of the exchange from time to time.

It's important to be aware of our own tendency to give from a desire to feel good about ourselves, rather than from an acknowledgement of our connection to all people. Letting go of our self-importance allows us to see that, regardless of appearances, we are all givers and receivers. When we are in the position of the giver, we honor those we are helping when we remember the many people who have helped us. Then we can look the person we are helping in the eye, aware that we are making contact with a human being who is our equal.

Posted by: jm220 | August 5, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Brownwood on #21: A great player who was murdered before he even approached his prime. He showed us enough to whet our appetites for the gifts he brought to his game.

Easy to picture him as an HOFer, but it could have turned out otherwise.

To an Athlete Dying Young
A. E. Housman

The time you won your town the race
We chaired you through the market-place;
Man and boy stood cheering by,
And home we brought you shoulder-high.

To-day, the road all runners come,
Shoulder-high we bring you home,
And set you at your threshold down,
Townsman of a stiller town.

Smart lad, to slip betimes away
From fields where glory does not stay,
And early though the laurel grows
It withers quicker than the rose.

Posted by: Motivator | August 5, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I dont think anyone was saying he is going to make it to the HoF, I think they are saying he would have, had he not been gunned down. At least I think thats what is being said.

Personally I think any NFL player who dies tragically should have a jersey in the HoF. I saw Farve's from some game, and other memorabilia... that was a gray day in the NFl and everyone paid tribute, so it seems fitting the the HoF would commemorate that.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 7:30 AM

My bad Zebra. I must have misread some of the earlier posts. I can agree with that sentiment, then.

I don't know about the idea of putting up a jersey for every slain NFL player, though. I was in Canton over the weekend, and to see the HoF--they're running out of space in that little place. My brother and I agreed to come back there in a couple years just see where they're going to fit everything! So I doubt that type of memorial happens. But they still have Sean Taylor's picture in our display of the team's history.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

This will spark some debate: ESPN.com is asking the question of every NFL team: who's the greatest player in franchise history? Here are the choices they list:


Sammy Baugh, QB (1937-1952):
He led the league in completion percentage nine times, including a 70.3 percent mark in 1945.

Darrell Green, CB (1983-2002):
"Ageless Wonder" who ranks 18th all time in interceptions with 54.

Ken Houston, DB (1973-1980):
Safety who made seven straight Pro Bowls with Redskins.

Sonny Jurgensen, QB (1964-1974):
Ranks 11th all time with 255 passing TDs.

Dexter Manley, DE (1981-1989):
"Secretary of Defense" who ranks 25th all time with 97.5 sacks.

Bobby Mitchell, RB (1962-1968):
His 5.3 yards per carry average is 13th all time.

Art Monk, WR (1980-1993):
A three-time Super Bowl champion who ranks 12th all time with 12,721 receiving yards.

John Riggins, RB (1976-1979, 1981-1985):
Ranks sixth all time with 104 rushing TDs.

Charley Taylor, WR (1964-1977):
Eight-time Pro Bowler who had 50 or more receptions seven times.

Joe Theismann, QB (1974-1985):
Led Redskins to two Super Bowls, winning one (XVII, vs. Dolphins).

Not that any of us here would remember him playing, but I chose Sammy Baugh. The man is essentially the father of the forward pass and the league's first superstar. DG gets a close second in my book, and leads the voting with 27% of the vote.


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=3587

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

nate, you asked above about the pats, and who makes it into the Hall?? Brady definetly, and because of him, Belicheat. But after that Vinitiarei I think makes it, but not too many more. Harrison doesn't have the stats to back up being selected, just not enough interceptions, and the whole HGH thing will hurt his chances. Bruschi, played in the same division and at the same time as Zach Thomas and wasn't nearly 1/2 the player Zach was. Seymour, sorry, I just don't see it with this guy, I don't get the hype. There just aren't any stats to back up how good people think he is.

Just my .02

Posted by: Greg | August 5, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Here's the drill on news: it gets posted first up here on the blog, then my nine digits and wounded thumb pound out a text message and then I twitter it! RedskinsInsider. At the moment, tumbleweeds are blowing through there....

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

IDK brown... I didnt read them all that closely, so some may have said he deserves now, which is obviously luda!!

As for B Mitch, he wont and is marginally, maybe deserving. And we saw how hard it is for some of the most deserving, so I would say he wont. I am not going to debate whether he should, cause like Monk said, it doesnt diminish what he meant to the skins.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Have to agree on the Patriots... makes Brady even more remarkable because he's done it without any real elite offensive talent at RB, TE, or WR... then they give him some near-elite WRs and they get within a hail mary of a perfect season.
And their defense is tough, solid, workmanlike, but not elite. Their justaguys are a little bit better than everyone else's justaguys. Is that because of selection or coaching?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 5, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

So where we all gonna go blog at from Noon to 3?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 5, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Sizzlean, I'm actually not thrilled at the return of registration up here. I'm under the impression it will be the same imperfect system as before, where it's a bit of a hassle for everyone but our handles (for those of us who care to use them) aren't guaranteed to be unique.

So returning registration will to a small extent mitigate the fun factor (though it won't be impossible to post under any name you want, it will take a few more steps), without providing the critical benefit I want to see. As you know, that's the axe I grind up here, guaranteeing unique handles to people who want them, and will continue to grind. Ah, well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Says PFT:

'SKINS FANS GO GA-GA OVER BRENNAN
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2008, 11:09 a.m.
We've gotten plenty of e-mails from Redskins fans who believe that, on the weekend that the latest two D.C. Hall of Famers were enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the Redskins might have found their next potential bronze bust for Canton.

Rookie quarterback Colt Brennan, a Heisman hype recipient who slid to round six after getting picked apart in the Sugar Bowl, gaining lots of weight in the offseason, and needing hip surgery before the draft, completed nine of ten passes and threw for two touchdowns during the second half of the annual Hall of Fame game, leading the Redskins to a 30-16 win over the Colts.

But, folks, it was garbage time in a meaningless game that featured little or no actual game planning or other strategery. Though we're not saying Brennan won't someday become a stud quarterback (as we've learned over the past several years, certain sixth-round quarterbacks can do fairly good things), Brennan's good run in glorified practice against a bunch of defensive players who'll likely be looking for work a month from now isn't cause for celebration.

Instead, Redskins fans should be far happier that starter Jason Campbell completed five of five passes for 61 yards and a touchdown in two shots at running the new offense that coach Jim Zorn has brought to town.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Personally I think any NFL player who dies tragically should have a jersey in the HoF.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 7:30 AM

I don't agree. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Tragedy. The more people who are in the Hall of Fame, the less it means to be there. People should be famous for their accomplishments on the field, not an automatic pass for being killed.

Posted by: DUDE | August 5, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Ooh, I almost forgot one other nuance of the registration system that was up here before: it wouldn't give you an error if your session timed out before you posted a comment, so the page would refresh and you'd have to scroll down to see that the comment didn't make it. And then smack yourself in the back of the head. And try to remember every time you posted a comment to copy the text of the comment to your clipboard (CTRL-C, yo!) before hitting the submit button.

Yes, yes, it's all coming back to me... maybe it will be better this time, I dunno...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I dunno if its just registration Nate. Notice that CN has a note too. I think its a systemwide change. Maybe we are getting something crazyer. So long as we don't go to that system the rest of the post has with the max of 20 posts per page and other S****

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 5, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

No posting for two days...

I feel cold

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 5, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Alex, you guys will have time to think, to reflect and ruminate, if you will. You can write poems like that A.E. Housman dude. Wonder if he's the nads guy....

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't PFT also stating that the Redskins would be trying to get Steve Smith from the Panthers, due to his recent dust-up??

Sometimes they're as spot on as can be, but other times, it's just throwing stuff against the wall.

Posted by: Greg | August 5, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Rumor has it that in light of Shaun Suisham struggles Cock-Eyed Vinny has decided to work out Chip Lohmiller in a kick-off dual of the ages.

The Great #8 returns !!

Posted by: Splack Pack | August 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Tragedy. The more people who are in the Hall of Fame, the less it means to be there. People should be famous for their accomplishments on the field, not an automatic pass for being killed.

Posted by: DUDE | August 5, 2008 8:44 AM

Dude, read my comment, not a bust, just the jersey...

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Alex, you guys will have time to think, to reflect and ruminate, if you will.

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 8:54 AM

What about for us shallow people...what are we supposed to do?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | August 5, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

And on that, they put a bunch of other stuff in there not related to those who are enshrined. they have record breaking game balls, commemorative stuff etc.. Thats all i was saying, commemorate him, Derrick Thomas, Corey Stringer, the broncos CB...

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Beep

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

If your gonna do that just bring back Ali-Hadji Shiek too and call up the ageless wonder Eddie Murray also.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should roll over to the Redskins' official blog and blow that kid's mind for the next day.

"Look at all these comments! Holy crap!"

...

"Hey, where'd everybody go?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Cling to the knowledge that it's not two days, it's 27 hours?
Know that RI will miss you as much as you miss it?

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I loled! Since I am the only person here, my joyous cackle echoed through the newsroom.
beepmapssuchasbeep

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should roll over to the Redskins' official blog and blow that kid's mind for the next day.

"Look at all these comments! Holy crap!"

...

"Hey, where'd everybody go?"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 9:00 AM

It would be clear to him that it was just Redskin Insider refugees by the negative and gloomy tones. I doubt he wants you.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

yall are crazy if you think Sean Taylor wasn't a lock for the HoF

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"The negative and gloomy tones"?

Ah, come on, now. There is some negativity and gloom up here now and then, but would you really say that's the dominant tone of the conversation? Gee whiz...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I never saw Sammy Baugh, but in my lifetime Sonny was the greatest.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 5, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What keeps ST out of the hall is his short tenure in the league. But by last year the only thing between Sean and greatness was the injury bug. When healthy he was the MVP of the defense. Had he played ten years and stayed healthy my guess is he would have made the HOF.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

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