Looking at the Draft and Opponents

Jason La Canfora and Jason Reid report:

By virtue of their 8-8 record, the Redskins will end up picking higher in April's draft, and also will face a weaker schedule as the last-place team in the NFC East. They will face conference foes Detroit and St. Louis next season., rather than Seattle and Green Bay (had they won and finished third) ..... The Redskins reported only one new injury, with rookie safety Chris Horton suffering a head contusion. Horton would have been able to return had the game gone to overtime, according to the team. ..... The 49ers formally announced that interim coach Mike Singletary would be hired on a permanent basis after the win, with the team finishing on a 5-2 run. "I don't think we could have written up a script any better than how it happened," team president Jed York said.

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During the second-half collapse, many opposing offenses were successful late in games against the defense. That must change if Washington hopes to become a championship-caliber team, strong safety LaRon Landry said.

"Like I've been saying, 'It's all about attitude.' I guess our mind-set just isn't there," he said. "You can't say we're going to go back and watch tape and correct it for the next game, because there is no next game. But we can't keep doing this next season. This has to change."

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No. 2 wide receiver Antwaan Randle El set career highs with 53 catches and four touchdown receptions. With the way the Redskins finished the season, however, personal accomplishments do not matter, Randle El said.

"When you think about the first half of our season and the second half of our season, career highs don't mean nothing if you're not winning," he said. "Being a playoff team, that's what you want, so you can't worry about your statistics. That's just not what it's about."

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Santana Moss topped 1,000 yards receiving in a season for the third time in his eight-year career and second time with the Redskins. ... Andre Carter led the team with four sacks, the Redskins' lowest total since the NFL made sacks an official stat in 1982.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 28, 2008; 10:30 PM ET
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san diego will play the colts next week...i have a feeling they'll beat the colts

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

lmg, we agree on the big part that the FO is the problem. BUT you and jasno don't understand that the FO hired the coach. FO sucks, their process of hiring this coach sucks and their f'ed up coach sucks.


so does this mean that san diego is going to the playoffs? a norvelle team?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

way too early to draw such a harsh and emphatic conclusion on Zorn. The thing you don't seem to understand is that the entire football world figured us for 7-8 wins this year. So how does he suck if in his first year he met general expectations? And why do you reject the notion - the fact - that we were a couple of plays from 10-6? Would he have sucked if that freak play with Kendall didn't happen vs. the Rams and if Sellers had punched it in from the 1? I just don't get it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

J-LA we need to draft o-line and d-line maybe pick up some one in Free Agency like Albert Haynesworth, Chris Canty, or
T-Suggs, on the o-line we need to build through the draft. And WE NEED a new corner to play dime or nickle if we let go springs.. because Smoot is GARBAGE. We could pick up a guy like Kelvin Hayden, Jabari Greer at a cheap price. or sombody like chris gamble at a bit higher price.

Posted by: b_hubacher | December 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter led the team with four sacks, the Redskins' lowest total since the NFL made sacks an official stat in 1982.

By Cindy Boren | December 28, 2008; 10:30 PM ET |

This doesn't sound right. There are plenty of guys who finished with zero sacks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

lmg, yes, i do reject that we were only a couple of plays away from 10-6. we're light years away from 10-6. aren't you sick of this "a couple of plays/players away..." deal every friggin year? last year it was "a big receiver" and a pass rusher. and this year "it's the lines.". no man, this team is full of shti just like vinny.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

In earlier posts people kept mentioning the Redskins in the same breath as Detriot, Cin, and Oakland. I think the more appropriate company is:

Dallas
NO
Green Bay
Chicago
Buffalo
NY Jets
Denver

These were all teams that had playoff potential around mid season and failed down the streach.
Also don't forget about Jacksonville and Cleveland who were going to be contenders this year. The margin for error in the NFL is very tight and it is very easy to go from contender to pretender.

The Redskins could be a decent time quickly if the young players develop and the FO makes some good additions (however the odds are not good based on past track record).

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 28, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to read that Pete Kendall hopes to return.

The guy got used like a roll of Charmin by Brent Smith today.

Drafting priorities for the o-line have to be left guard and right tackle: Heyer is a career back up and Jansen's contract will keep him around.

A well-paid free agent in competition with Chad Rhinehart could replace Kendall.

Jansen's spot requires a talented young guy be drafted.

No one it will matter if the play-calling continues to suck...

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

how can the D tell where sproles is?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

If we win today, there is NO doubt in my mind that the mood would've been much more forgiving. And the irony is, it was the defense that lost this game. Sure Zorn takes responsibility for the outcome, whether we score just 3 points or yield 50. But the offensive gameplan worked today. We are a funny, fickle lott.

When we draft linemen (yes, we will), Kelly starts balling next year anf Fred Davis/Devin Thomas get their act together, we'll see how bad Zorn's system sucks. If we average 17 pts/game next year, I will happily say that he should go. But to say he sucks right now is foolish.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

VINNY YOU ARE THE PROBLEM...PHILLIP MERLING HAD 2 INTs TODAY. Look at vinny's interview with larry michael. VINNY IS THE PROBLEM

Posted by: b_hubacher | December 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

lol john madden said "phillip rivers can't run a lick"....

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

denver d sucks!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

So when do we pick? 11th? 12th? Did we end up "beating" Houston in SOS?

Posted by: skinsfanindallas | December 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I think it was Parcells who said you are what your record is. I believe the Redskins are the team that went in the tank the 2nd half. My prediction is unless we get a decent QB we will not win 6 games next year. I hope I am wrong

Posted by: strom1 | December 28, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

that's what skins need a 5'2" back!!! i'm telling you the D can't tell where sproles is.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

and mr. hof'er, madden agrees with me.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I guess I should offer solution with complaint: sign Byron Leftwich.

Posted by: strom1 | December 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

can you imagine having had michael turner and darren sproles backing up LT? wow....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

cl, dude! get out of my head that's exactly what i was thinking. did ATL give up something for turner? i don't think so...i think he was a free agent? when's sproles coming out?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL - If Leftwich is the answer then Dallas is still America's team...

Posted by: skinsfanindallas | December 28, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

lmg, yes, i do reject that we were only a couple of plays away from 10-6. we're light years away from 10-6. aren't you sick of this "a couple of plays/players away..." deal every friggin year?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

man, I try to be respectful on this blog but that makes no sense to me. you can honestly say that that freak play at the end of the half against STL didn't cost us the game? It was AT LEAST a ten point swing as we were in chip shot FG range (inasmuch as there is such thing with Suisham) and they still needed an underthrown bomb to set up a game winning FG as time expired! Don't think that's a huge stretch.

And teh Bengals game - we score there with Sellers, we win. 90%...I know I'm playing with numbers here, impossible to truly quantify..but that stadium was rockin with Skins fans. We tie it there, we have all the momentum and the better team. I'd have bet my car that we win. And I highly doubt we'd have lost today if Moss makes a catch that he makes 99 times out of 100.

So there you have it. 11-5 was extremely attainable...yet you really think 10-6 was "light years away"??

Agree to strongly disagree

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

wow browns fired their gm and their coach. please danny please!!!!! fire vinny.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

turner was a free agent...they had locked him down a few years in restricted free agency, but he eventually got out....great move on atlanta's part...turner is a stud.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

and mr. hof'er, madden agrees with me.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

well, as long as Madden is onboard hell it must be true! i don't think he knows what he's saying half the time. is he awake?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

lmg, yes man, that's exactly what i'm saying. i couldn't be any clearer. this team is not a play or two away from anything resembling a professional team.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

PHILLIP MERLING HAD 2 INTs TODAY. Look at vinny's interview with larry michael....

Posted by: b_hubacher

..and Merling was gone before Vinnie had a chance to take him.
But other than that, great point.

Posted by: daggar | December 28, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

lmg, i think sproles woke him up though. he's fun to watch.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

wow browns fired their gm and their coach. please danny please!!!!! fire vinny.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse


I'd take Phil Savage over Vinny any day and twice on Sunday...er, draft day. I know that's not your point but I really would.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

lmg, i think sproles woke him up though. he's fun to watch.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

who, Madden or Sproles? Both are highly entertaining in very different ways.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

LMG I agree about Savage

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

daggar, he's talking about the first round. vinny said there was no one worth taking in the first round...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"People can drink the koolaid and believe that we have great talent but I'd say we only have average talent.

Posted by: thinker11"


Average talent with an average coach should yield average results.

We have an offense that will end up ranked 28th in the NFL in points scored per game. That is not "average". That is well, well below that standard.

San Francisco 49ers, Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions, and the Seattle Seahawks will all end up scoring more points on the season than the Redskins. The Oakland Raiders will be within 5 points of us on the season. Are you telling me that they all have equivalent talent on the offensive side of the ball?

I'm just trying to see things the way they are, as purely and objectively as I can. Jim Zorn did not get it done.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

lmg, yes man, that's exactly what i'm saying. i couldn't be any clearer. this team is not a play or two away from anything resembling a professional team.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

you need a hug and some valium bud. it'll be OK. breathe deep. I'm as pissed as you but next year will be a different and better story. I'll lay you 2-1 that we win 10 games (bet - two cases of winner's favorite beer)

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

my picks nfc:

iggles vs. gints = iggles vs. panthers= panthers

ATL vs. panthers = panthers

Panthers come out from NFC

AFC:
San diego vs. pit = pit

pit vs. tennessee= tennessee

tennesee comes out of AFC

tenn vs. carolina superbowl= tenn the winner!


dude, SD is a running back machine!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"a hug and some valium "

Two things I never turn down....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

So there you have it. 11-5 was extremely attainable...yet you really think 10-6 was "light years away"??

Agree to strongly disagree

Posted by: Notorious_LMG


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Aside from the Kendall play, anything you mention as "one play this way" or "one play that way" can easily be rebutted with a play that could have turned a win into a loss. Sure, this team was 5 plays away from 10-6, but this team was also 5 plays away from 5-11. If Westbrook punches it in from the 1 with 3 tries in the first Philly game, we lose that game. If Greg Lewis was 6 inches deeper at the end of the second Philly game, we lose that game. If Patrick Crayton doesn't drop the onside kick in Dallas, chances are they get a FG to steal the game from us. I can go on and on with that stuff. It's pointless to use that as an argument.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

can anybody explain this mystifying loyalty to Cerrato?? I have to believe that if he screws this draft up, he's gone in 2010. Heck, if one of the young WR's becomes a legit #2 and we draft well on the lines, Danny might give him a lifetime contract.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

lmg, i'd take a monkey without a brain over vinny!

lmg, i'm fine man. i'm just repeating myself...had a very late tea so am not sleepy. and the only way skins win 10 games is if vinny and zorny are both gone.


Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I can go on and on with that stuff. It's pointless to use that as an argument.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

fair enough. I'm not even saying we deserved to win 10-11 games. Just trying to rebuff dealer's assertion that "this team is not a play or two away from anything resembling a professional team" That's a bit harsh, no?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't accomplish what he should have given the 6-2 start, but lets give him the benefit of offseason adjustments and his first real opportunity to start making over the offensive roster to suit what he's trying to do. Right or wrong, he seems to have a plan. Lets give him some time to execute it. I think the 6-2 start was a glimpse of what this team can be with a healthy, effective line. Once the o-line got banged up, it was lost. We need to get younger (and more talented) there.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 28, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

and whatever psp said.


Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

i'll take cutler over rivers ANY DAY!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, it shouldn't of ever came down to a couple of plays to beat two horrible teams. I agree that Zorn should be given atleast another year as coach, but for crying out loud, he needs to adjust and have much better play calling.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Chargers scored a Skins' season's worth in one game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I won't even bet you, I'll GIVE you a case of your favorite ale (or tea) if we do not win 10 or more next year. That's how much I believe in this team and yes, call me crazy, the Z Man too.

Is it August yet?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

dealer, you lose credibility with statements like that.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"a hug and some valium "

Two things I never turn down....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

HAHA. Wise man.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

fair enough. I'm not even saying we deserved to win 10-11 games. Just trying to rebuff dealer's assertion that "this team is not a play or two away from anything resembling a professional team" That's a bit harsh, no?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG


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True, that's a bit harsh. That's actually around where this team is -- somewhere between 6-10 and 10-6, depending on where the breaks fall. The really good teams, like the Giants, Colts, and Patriots consistently have teams that are between 9 and 14 wins. Which is why a team like the Colts can have an "off" year and still win 11 games. That's what I'm hoping for this team to build into.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

lh, i just hate rivers. he's so smug. the dude has a brilliant running game including an HOF'er that the D must always respect and he acts as if he's the best thing since sliced bread cuz he can complete a pass. i've never seen a QB act like that ever.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, it shouldn't of ever came down to a couple of plays to beat two horrible teams. I agree that Zorn should be given atleast another year as coach, but for crying out loud, he needs to adjust and have much better play calling.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Playcalling needs to improve, but its not that simple. Even when he has time, Campbell is too quick to dump the ball off. Zorn needs to impress upon him to take more shots, if Moss or Thomas are even with the defender, that's good enough to put some air under it and see if they can make a play.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I wanted to agree with you on ONE thing before I sign off - Tennessee vs. Carolina in the Super Bowl. Would be a good one...might lean Carolina for NFC and I love Delhomme for some reason. Giants are a machine but their operator has been known to drive into a ditch now and then.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard of Joe Theismann rhymes with Heisman.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

lmg, you do agree with me on the major thing f. vinny!.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

True, that's a bit harsh. That's actually around where this team is -- somewhere between 6-10 and 10-6, depending on where the breaks fall. The really good teams, like the Giants, Colts, and Patriots consistently have teams that are between 9 and 14 wins. Which is why a team like the Colts can have an "off" year and still win 11 games. That's what I'm hoping for this team to build into.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

well said.

Night all!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Playcalling needs to improve, but its not that simple. Even when he has time, Campbell is too quick to dump the ball off. Zorn needs to impress upon him to take more shots, if Moss or Thomas are even with the defender, that's good enough to put some air under it and see if they can make a play.

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

While Zorn has done a good job having JC avoid TO's, I think its been a double-edged sword of sorts cause JC is not being nearly as aggressive in taking shots.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 28, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

lh, i knew you were going to bring him up and i was going to say that i never saw him play. i have heard stories...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

lmg, you do agree with me on the major thing f. vinny!.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Yea man. I'll be printing tee shirts if he doesn't get us some linemen in April.

Later...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Romo is overrated. He will never lead the girls to success. There is reason he was not drafted.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Zorn should be given atleast another year as coach, but for crying out loud, he needs to adjust and have much better play calling.

Posted by: ga8085


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And THAT is my biggest issue with Zorn. I don't care that he wasn't "successful" with this team. I care that he doesn't seem to think there is anything truly wrong with what's happened. He always says "if we only made this play" we could have won that game. You CANNOT think that way as a coach. You will NEVER have everything fall the way you like. It's not going to happen. You have to be good enough to cover up for those bad breaks.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

but he's doing carrie underwood...that HAS to count for something...right? man people were comparing him to favreh and elway not too long ago...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

HOLY SHTI!!!!!!!

i just read this on the espn ticker that bret favreh says that he hasn't enjoyed playing for eric mangini cuz he's been called out for making bad throws infront of the team...

another dude who thinks too much of himself...dude's acting like a lil child.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

dealer, c'mon man, he used to do underwood...currently sctupping jessica simpson.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

dealer I think he's dating Jessica Simpson.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

dang cl, he got downgraded?

okay hopkins is a good boxer.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Man, I don't think I've ever been happier to see a season end. What a clusterf***

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 28, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

dealer u are 1.5 years behind on your gossip....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

e, cL has already used that word to describe this season today.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. Has shabingus been dusted off?

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 28, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but i've had it up to here with Riggo's constant criticism of Jason Campbell on Synders propaganda radio.Riggins criticizing Campbell is unfounded and way the hell off base,Campbell had the lowest number of int's of any QB in the NFL,he had a sixty plus percent completion avg. despite spending most of the year running for his life and being in a differrent offensive scheme for the umpteenth time since he was drafted, in addition other than Santana Moss who does Campbell have as a target and don't tell me Chris Cooley(he is slow and prone to fumble) I heard Riggo criticize his leadership qualities how would he know has he interviewed his teamates? Campbell is not a rah rah guy he leads by example,he doesn't force throws that leads to int's(see Brett Farve) he made several plays in today's game with his legs that kept the offensive drive's alive and he has a hell of an arm. Campbell will lead this team to the playoff's and beyond as soon as we find a O coordinator who will take advantage of Jason's talent.One last comment; Riggins should be happy he's working,because he be unemployed if it weren't for the hero worship of Danny Boy.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 28, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

i am? gonna have to ask mrs. dealer to get me all caught up on it.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

nope! shabingus hasn't been used yet.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Brett Farve is dead from the neck up. This is a known fact. Who is surprised by this?

But hey, this was a great day. Who couldn't love watching the Cowgirls completely fall apart? Romo Fomo is such a complete frickin pansy! What a baby! At least JC has a spine.

And speaking of morons who think too much of themselves, it just made me laugh to watch TO running his mouth on the sidelines. Jerrah is goin' to break some heads and take some names! Say goodbye, Mr. Phillips!

Posted by: SonofNero | December 28, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

wow brady might not play next year either...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had the lowest number of int's of any QB in the NFL,he had a sixty plus percent completion avg.

Not surprising since he only throws the ball 7 yds per attempt(and I'm being generous)

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 28, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, in that case:

Man, I don't think I've ever been happier to see a season end. What a shabingus.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 29, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Ryan, Flacco, JaMarcus Russell, Aaron Rogers, Cutler, Cassell, Thigpen, Orton, Schaub all have more passing TDs than Campbell.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Correction: Russell has as many passing TDs as Campbell in one fewer games.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

So I think we end up with pick #13 in the draft.
Previous #13's

2008 - CAR - RB Jonathan Stewart
2007 - STL - DE Adam Carriker
2006 - CLE - LB Kamerion Wimbley
2005 - NO - OT Jamaal Brown
2004 - BUF - WR Lee Evans
2003 - NE - DE Ty Warren
2002 - NO - WR Dante Stallworth
2001 - JAX - DT Marcus Stroud
2000 - NYJ - DE John Abraham
1999 - PIT - WR Troy Edwards
1998 - CIN - LB Takeo Spikes
1997 - KC - TE Tony Gonzalez
1996 - CHI - CB Walt Harris

Posted by: kost52 | December 29, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 29, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Every single one of the Redskins' eight wins was a one-score game, even the 25-17 win over the Lions. This team is not a draft, not a signing, not a tweak away from anything but mediocrity. They are what they are, an 8-8 team that just isn't very good and that isn't likely to improve much as long as the same people making the personnel decisions over the last several years are making the decisions in the months ahead.

Posted by: fjc33 | December 29, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

From psps23:

"A good GM could turn this team into a playoff team next season, while building for the future at the same time. The single season turnarounds by Atlanta, Miami, and Baltimore should be clear evidence of that (in particular Baltimore because they had a very similar "aging" problem last season with RLewis, EReed, DMason, THeap, JOgden, CMccalister, SRolle, etc)."

Yes, but this takes into consideration calculated risk. The Ravens calculated risk of aging veterans worked heaps better than the 'skins. The Ravens had Gaither to replace Ogden which worked. Heyer to replace Jansen did not. Getting a proven pass rusher with no injury history was a risk that didn't work out for our team.

The Ravens brought in a o-coordinator who just went 1-15 and suddenly the Ravens had offense in addition to a defense. Ironically, the dolphins improved by ten wins after ridding themselves of the proven passrusher and the genius offensive coach.

Meanwhile, every single risk the 'skins FO made backfired. Find 2nd WR though draft - not yet. Pray the o-line holds together and returns to 2005 form - worked for 5 to 8 games. Assume Griffin, Washington, and Springs can play an entire season - no chance. Build through the draft - how's that going to work with four picks?

The only way this team improves is that the 2008 2nd round makes the same jump that Rocky Mac did in year two AND Griffin, Washington, Springs, and the o-line somehow gets bionic for next year because no way you can replace every single guy.

As much as folks want O-line, the greatest need on this team is a DT like an Albert Haynesworth. The defense has reached it's ceiling and next year's schedule shows how important it is to stop the run.

The offense might be better next year the record could be worse.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 29, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

There's a whole lot of stupid on the Redskins Insider Blog. A few things:

1. Holy hell, give Jim Zorn more than one season.
2. Holy hell version 2.0, give Vinny Cerrato more than one draft with the keys to the organization.
3. Holy hell version 3.0, give Jason Campbell more than one season in the West Coast offense. How did Matt Hasselbeck do in his first season with Jim Zorn's offense??
4. Holy hell version 4.0, give our rookie WRs another season before labeling them "busts". DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal are the exceptions, not the rule. The lights don't come on for most WRs until the THIRD season. So be patient.

And what is with all the people that say "we are a few draft picks, a few free agent signings from nothing but MEDIOCRITY". Oh man that makes my blood boil. Do you guys have any idea how quickly fortunes change for franchises in the NFL? Look no further than the Ravens, Dolphins and Falcons. If those teams can go from 5-11, 1-15 and 4-12 respectively to playoff teams, there's no reason the Redskins can't go from 8-8 to 11-5 or even better next year.

The sky is not falling; the Redskins are not one of the league's perennial doormats. We've had just one losing campaign in the past four seasons. Get a grip people. Yes I understand that we demand more (I certainly do) but we have to give the Jim Zorn regime ample time.

And I don't want to hear any "Colt Brennan is the future of the franchise" nonsense either. Okay I am done now.

Posted by: honed | December 29, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

The offense has been offensive but comparing it to the Raiders or whatever is apples to oranges.

The Raiders didn't play the Steelers, Ravens, Eagles (2x), Giants (2x), and Cowboys (2x). Those are the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 8th defenses, respectively - consisting of 50% of the schedule.

Now, you could compare it to the Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys because the 'skins defense was 4th and division had 14 of the same opponents.

Since so much is made of o-line play, let's start there, specifically sacks allowed, followed by yards/carry, time of possession and finishing with points/game.

Giants(7th) 28, 5.0, 33:19, 26.7(3rd)
Eagles(9th) 23, 4.0, 31:24, 26.0(6th)
Cowboys(12) 31, 4.3, 30:02, 22.6(18th)
Skins(19th) 38, 4.4, 31.30, 16.6(28th)

So against basically the same competition, the 'skins strength was running the ball and ball control while their weaknesses were scoring and qb protection. No shock there.

In addition the 'skins defense was the only one in the division not to score a TD. The cowboys had one, the giants three and the eagles five.

The 'skins need to find a way to score more points both offense and defense. Duh.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 29, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Looking at this offense compared to previous ones, specifically touchdowns. (did not include extra points or 2pt conversions.)

Year TD rsh rec ret def saf FGM points
2008 27 12 14 1 0 0 26 265
2007 35 15 18 0 2 2 29 334
2006 34 13 19 2 0 1 22 307
2005 44 15 25 2 2 0 17 359
2004 26 6 18 1 1 1 19 240
2003 30 8 21 1 0 1 25 287
2002 37 10 24 1 2 1 16 307
2001 25 10 13 1 1 1 26 256

Posted by: bangkokben | December 29, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

FUNNIEST SH!T EVER:

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2008/drops.htm


Posted by: hollywoodhogan420 | December 29, 2008 12:53 AM

I totally agree.

A summary of the Redskins season.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 29, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch a single snap of that game Sunday (didn't get it in Harrisburg anyway) and I'm glad I didn't waste the time. Nothing like an 8th crap sandwich to close out the year. I'm not sure if I'll waste any time this year spewing about what needs to happen in the draft or who needs to be resigned because it's all academic until Vinny is gone. Much more fun watching the playoffs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Skins need pressure on the QB without blitzing....defensive linemen of quality
Skins need a surge in run blocking and better protection of Cambell...offensive linemen
Skins need to spend their cash better and buy someone to fill some holes, not just another receiver!!!Lordy, if fantasy football teaches you nothing else, receivers are a dime a dozen.

Posted by: fushisushi | December 29, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Also, when is the last time Jansen finished a season? Talk about fragile, the guy is healthy NEVER!!!!

Posted by: fushisushi | December 29, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Also, when is the last time Jansen finished a season? Talk about fragile, the guy is healthy NEVER!!!!

Posted by: fushisushi | December 29, 2008 6:15 AM

Um, he never missed a game his first 4 years in the league. Played a whole season with two broken thumbs. Don't mistake his body breaking down on him at the end of his career as being "fragile". Dude is a warrior.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 6:18 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the Washington Wizards of the NFL. Listing in the middle of the pack,slowly sinking downward.I blew the game off and went to the Caps game. How fitting that loudmouth CP fumbled the game away. A bunch of old,overpaid stiffs,for the large part. I would give Jason another shot. I like his Randall Cunningham imitation. Turn the kid loose.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 29, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Deadskins are stuck with CP. How many fumbles did this jerk have in the second half of the season? Shame they have so much money tied up in this moron.

Snyder fires Zorn and the his coaching staff next week. The Gerbil rules.

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | December 29, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Deadskins are stuck with CP. How many fumbles did this jerk have in the second half of the season?

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | December 29, 2008 6:34 AM

Portis was fourth in the league in rushing yardage, 1487 yards. He had three fumbles this year.

First in the league rushing was Adrian Peterson with 1760 yards. He had nine fumbles.

The Redskins have problems, but it's not CP, Dan Snyder, or Coach Zorn.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are the Washington Wizards of the NFL.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 29, 2008 6:27 AM

Dumb statement. The two teams wouldn't even be compared if they weren't in the same city. The Wizards currently and historically suck except for a few years in the 70s. The Skins are one of the top 5 most storied franchises in the NFL. I would say they're more like the Chicago Bulls post-Jordan if I had to compare them to an NBA team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 29, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

After your 5:50 post, I thought you didn't care anymore. Now, I see you do care. The difference? I'm guessing it has to do with coffee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

In the last decade the Redskins have had six head coaches, 10 starting quarterbacks, and a cumulative record of 76-84. The only constant since 1999 has been the owner, Dan Snyder, who has made the Redskins the second-wealthiest team in the NFL. Does winning motivate him? Or is he only motivated by sucking $$$ from the fans?

Posted by: MrMerkin | December 29, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

beepity beep beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 29, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

well regular season is over and it is time for the regs to get to work. See ya later 17 week bloggers. Time for the old school off season fun and speculation.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

"VINNY YOU ARE THE PROBLEM...PHILLIP MERLING HAD 2 INTs TODAY."

NFL.com credits Merling with 1 interception, returned 25 yards for a TD. This season, he had 22 tackles, 2 sacks, and a fumble recovery. And that one INT.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 29, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what rounds we have draft picks in. It would be nice to have all of our picks. I guess I should look at the positive side since we didnt trade for Roy Williams like another team did.

Posted by: Redskins001 | December 29, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

IMO, it all starts with the quarterback. Jason Campbell is simply NOT a winner. His quarterback ranking has barely improved at all over three seasons (from 78 last year to 84 this year), the Redskins make the playoffs last year AFTER he is injured and fail to make it this year when he's healthy. The Skins ranked 25th in the league in 3rd down conversions. And look at his performance in the red zone. Furthermore, it almost seems as if there's an element in Campbell's play-making of "mistake avoidance" rather than finding a way to make the big play - I'm guessing you can count the number of 20+ downfield pass completions this year on two hands.

Not sure if QB is something Zorn can turn around. Seems as if you've either got it or you don't and we would have seen hints by now that Campbell has it, wouldn't we?

Posted by: mikem7 | December 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it is we were playing over our heads at 6-2 and under at 2-6, but our record 8-8 record probably reflects our talent pretty good. We our weak at the O and D line. That is what makes the difference. All of you people crying about Jim Zorn are probably the same ones who said Fire Marty after 8-8 and look how that worked out. Marty takes the Chargers to the playoffs and we get Spurrier. You have to give the guy some time. Wasnt Joe Gibbs record 8-8 in his first year. Go Zorn!

Posted by: Redskins001 | December 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I've been a fan for four decades and I'm afraid to say the the 'Skins will not win another Super Bowl unless their owner stays in his box and turns the football operation over to some folks that know football. Snyder wants to play with his toy and Cerrato is simply a yes man whos job is to please the owner. Why do you think that Casserly was fired? I doubt that any up and coming independent thinking and talented football people would even consider working for Snyder at this point. Don't forget that J. K. Cooke was sucessful because he hired good people, gave them what they needed to be sucessful, and got the heck out of the way. I'll probably be dead before that happens since I'm older than Snyder. Too bad the fans don't turn in their season tickets and stop buying the shirts, hats, etc. Perhaps unsold seats and continued failure would get Snyder's attention. I doubt it...

Posted by: 64Fairlane | December 29, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I thank that zorn will be ok,but the ofenseive line dont seem to give the QB enought time to pass the ball.I would like to see Moss get some help on the opsite side of the field.But i love my Redskins and i know we will get much better next season.

Posted by: johnniessmason | January 1, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

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