Schweigert Sendoff and Practice Update

Stuart Schweigert was by no means a lock to make this football team, but I didn't think the safety would be cut before the second preseason game, either. Schweigert, who was released yesterday when the Redskins signed safety Patrick Ghee, had some limitations to his game, and being asked to back up LaRon Landry at free safety in this system is no small chore.

The Redskins are impressed with how rookie safeties Chris Horton and Kareem Moore look, and Landry is scheduled to return to practice from his hamstring injury this week. And veteran Vernon Fox knows the system well, excels on special teams and is there to back up starting strong safety Reed Doughty. So there's a bit of depth.

Having another guy who has played in the league is imperative, and the staff here decided pretty quickly that Schweigert wasn't going to make the team. The fact that Ghee lacks much prior NFL experience, much less starting experience, made the move a little more surprising ... but obviously there were some things that might have shown up on the film of Sunday's game that the coaches didn't love.

We'll see what Jim Zorn and others have to say about the move today.

The Redskins fortified their depth at linebacker by signing Alfred Fincher last week, so I wasn't surprised they let a LB go to make room for a player at another position - the realities of this 80-man roster limit in a long training camp like this cannot be overemphasized.

Danny Verdun-Wheeler's departure meant that FB Pete Schmitt is back. Schmitt showed well in training camp and the team was carrying just two fullbacks - Mike Sellers and Nemo Broughton. Sellers plays a lot of teams so they can't expose him to too much. So they added a body there, but could still use another WR at some point, too.

Jimmy Farris is still out there, and would love a call from the Skins, he says (he played in the West Coast offense in San Francisco. Former Skin Mike Espy is still working out in the area as well, hoping to hear from a team that needs a WR.
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The morning practice is underway, with players in shorts and shells. Those not participating include: Kelly (of course), H.B. Blades, Todd Wade, Stephon Heyer and Erasmus James -- in short, the usual suspects.

Anthony Montgomery and Rian Wallace may still be linited but seem to be taking part in all position drills so far after having their broken hands surgically repaired.

LaRon Landry, Chris Wilson, Anthony Mix and Ladell Betts are back on the field, as is
Devin Thomas for the first time in weeks. Zorn said Thomas will slowly build up to taking full work in practice and might be ready to go full out next week. As the Skins started full speed routes, Thomas was back with the trainers on the side, working with James, so this was a baby step. It appears Landry will not take part in all the drills; he's off to the side working with trainers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 5, 2008; 9:23 AM ET
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Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

From the jump....

I don't agree. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Tragedy. The more people who are in the Hall of Fame, the less it means to be there. People should be famous for their accomplishments on the field, not an automatic pass for being killed.

Posted by: DUDE | August 5, 2008 8:44 AM

Dude, read my comment, not a bust, just the jersey...

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:56 AM

And on that, they put a bunch of other stuff in there not related to those who are enshrined. they have record breaking game balls, commemorative stuff etc.. Thats all i was saying, commemorate him, Derrick Thomas, Corey Stringer, the broncos CB...

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 8:58 AM

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

since when do we need a WR?

(first?)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

first, spelled correctly

Posted by: isnad | August 5, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Their practice dummies, nothing more...if dudes are hurt you need bodies to line up so you can practice...the RB/WR/LB wont have a chance to make the roster.

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Matt Bowen

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

isnad;

that was my NE accent

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

maybe not NE, but it makes sense when you sound it out.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I read that Jimmy Farris is close with TO I'm not sure if I like a Redskins being boys with one of our enemies

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

nice to see Devin Thomas out


and I repost this - yall are crazy if yall don't think Sean Taylor was a lock for the HoF

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

As for Steve Smith, I am told, "no way."

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Jasno calls in:

Now that the Skins are doing more full speed routes, Devin Thomas is back with the trainers on the side, working on a side field with Erasmus James, so this way a baby step. Zorn said they hope he is ready to go full speed in practice maybe by next week.

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear Dirty Thirty is back out there.

Posted by: jm220 | August 5, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse


and I repost this - yall are crazy if yall don't think Sean Taylor was a lock for the HoF

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:09 AM

Yes, a lock after at least 10 years in the league... based upon only 4 years, No.

I think that clarification needs to be made. But instead of being killed, he could have had a carrer ending injury that would keep him out as well.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Glad Mix is back, real oppurtunity for him right now....

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 5, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

I read what you wrote. And I still say, no, dying tragically does not get you an automatic pass -- jersey, helmet, or jock strap -- into the Hall of Fame.

You don't have to agree with me, but aren't I allowed to express disagreement with you, oh striped one?

Posted by: DUDE | August 5, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Nobody is a lock, just ask Art Monk. And apparently us Redskins fans are the only ones who seem to feel strongly about Taylor.

Posted by: dlhaze | August 5, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor would've been a lock had his career continued is what I was saying. Now? Unfortunately no.


And that's just saying he played a full career with no serious injuries. He would've 100% gotten in, I'm sure.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Of course, but your reply said to get in, as in inducted. I was just clarifying what I was saying incase you didnt catch it.. Thats all.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

So, uh, how well have these policies been followed? Is THAT why registration is back?

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

No question the Reaper would have been a locked HOF if wasn't killed. (of course if he would have stayed healthy as well)

Posted by: jm220 | August 5, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor can't get in now. I gotta friend who is a Bears fan who thinks Taylor would've gotten in and most people I've talked to seem to think he would've had a good chance.

Dude was a headhunter.

The question is does the HoF ONLY work on stats or are the intangibles involved? Cause ask any WR who played against ST and I'd bet 90% of 'em say ST was the toughest player they played against

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Truth, ST was the next LT... flying all over the place, incredible specimen, killer tackler.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

And that's just saying he played a full career with no serious injuries. He would've 100% gotten in, I'm sure.

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 5, 2008 9:20 AM

We are most entertained by Mr. Truth and his reversion to the first person writing style. We have long maintained that the first person is the only acceptable manner to in which to represent ourselves.

We believe that Mr. Truth's projection of Mr. Taylor's unlived life is highly conjectural, although we firmly maintain that if the North American Colonies' Rebellion had been supressed that they would today be more prosperous, would show more obeisance to our loyal and steadfast servant, Redcoat, and that we would, by fiat, have granted Mr. Taylor's admission to the Royal Hall of Gridiron Fame.

Posted by: My Highness | August 5, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This is a pretty silly argument. The only real answer is, who the heck knows. We've got football to discuss.

I'm not really worried about our rookie WR's missing all this time. To be honest i've always had the feeling that Thomas will be ok and Kelly would be the real stud to come out of camp. With this Injury I worry we'll once again be weak in the third WR position. Something that is much more detrimental in the WCO then Gibbs offense. I love Thrash but if he's our third reciever all year then I'm back on the two TE set bandwagon provided Sleepy wakes up for the games.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Next year's draft:

1st round: LB (M.Wash's age & R-Mac knee's
3rd round: DE (be ready by J.Taylors exit)
4th round: LT (after Sun. keep Heyer at RT
5th round: C (depth behind Rabach & youth)
6th round: CB (Free agent CB's too much $
7th round: DT (Griff is getting up there
depth behind Golston&A.Mont

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I would say ST was in except that it's harder to get in at the Safety spot than anywhere else except P/K

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 5, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

cindy, are you guys really twittering?

Posted by: dealer | August 5, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Sugarloaf - I don't believe we have a 4th or a 7th rounder next year.

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

And their defense is tough, solid, workmanlike, but not elite. Their justaguys are a little bit better than everyone else's justaguys. Is that because of selection or coaching?

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 5, 2008 8:32 AM

Sorry I'm slow catching up today. This statement shows why Belicheat gets in. Hate him or merely dislike him, he is at least a HOF defensive coach.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 5, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Georgia coach Mark Richt has suspended linebacker Darius Dewberry for the Bulldogs' first two games for his role in an incident at an Athens-area hospital Sunday morning.

Dewberry, a junior who is the top backup at strongside linebacker, was seen on a hospital videotape overturning trash cans and causing other damage.

Dewberry
Police initially failed to identify Dewberry. Richt did so later.

Posted by: 5th UGA Player Suspended for Season Opener | August 5, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that could ever keep Belicheat out is if they think he cheated to get there. 3 SB Rings gets you in the HOF as a coach.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Sugarloaf - I don't believe we have a 4th or a 7th rounder next year.

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2008 9:35 AM

Damn !! We gave those up too ?

What did we get in return ?

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that could ever keep Belicheat out is if they think he cheated to get there. 3 SB Rings gets you in the HOF as a coach.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:37 AM

Three so far. Dude will have six before he's done. He's a first ballot HOF, like Green.

Posted by: Motivator | August 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm just getting started, but yes Dealer, we will twitter.

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Screw those posting rules.

Smash the system.

Buy my power sensual aid system now!

I'm lovin' it!

Posted by: Dick Cheney | August 5, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Yay, registration!

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | August 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Earl Sugarloaf III on the positions of need, (don't we all) but say that drafting in that order may not work out depending on whose available.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 5, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Damn !! We gave those up too ?

What did we get in return ?

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:39 AM

4th rounder for Pete Kendall

7th rounder for Erasmus James

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Next year's draft:

1st round: LB (M.Wash's age & R-Mac knee's
3rd round: DE (be ready by J.Taylors exit)
4th round: LT (after Sun. keep Heyer at RT
5th round: C (depth behind Rabach & youth)
6th round: CB (Free agent CB's too much $
7th round: DT (Griff is getting up there
depth behind Golston&A.Mont

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:30 AM

Like your long-term perspective, Earl. Dude has one bad pre-season game so you shift him from LT to RT. Hell, I would have thrown cut him with Schweigert.

Do you think we should at least wait until the season ends to see who's playing well before drafting? Oh, yeah, and what about free agency? Is there a chance we might fill some of our needs through free agency? Does the name London Fletcher ring a bell? (Or, Adam Archuleta?)

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Unless Tryon shows up to be a real baller, we will take CB and OL with our first two picks.

Springs will be gone after this year I'm almost sure. Double Move has something to prove and Smoot will be 29 or 30.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Motivator,

I'll take the under for alot of money.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Earl;

I guess that depends on Rheinhart, Crummey and Heyer... if they dont show this year T and G should be the 1 and 3 pick,.

Posted by: Zebra | August 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Do we really continue taking the "best talent available" approach that Cock-Eyed Vinny uses after the fiasco that we just witnessed this past April ? I think after losing our 09' 2nd rounder because of this approach, Vinny will have a change of heart, I think........

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I'll take the under for alot of money.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:47 AM

You're on. Show me the money. I'll hold the stakes. Send it to motivator@gmail.com.

Posted by: Motivator | August 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor IS in the NFL HOF!

I was lucky enough to attend the Induction ceremonies this past weekend. There is an area within the Hall that exhibits each franchise and a photo of Sean is the back-drop for the Redskins area. Also, a very nice space honoring Pat Tillman.

Posted by: Lucky Skins Fan | August 5, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Vinny will have a change of heart, I think........

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 9:49 AM

If the rookies continue to play as well as they did in their first outing, you will have a change of heart, not Vinny. The guy did a great job in this draft.

Even Jasno had to admit that the rookies are playing well.

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Done Motivator, it's sent. It's fine, I just got an email saying someone in Africa needed my bank account number to deposit 1,000,000,000 dollars to get out of the country AND I just won 1,000,000 in publishers clearing house, says so right on the front so even if I lose this bet I'll be fine.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

skinz--

That is so BOGUS. You're worse than that dude Greg from beantown who tries to settle all his debts with Bonus Points.

Posted by: Motivator | August 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

D-bag,

Jasno's already said that most people around the league think Vinny is a good evaluator of college talent. I don't think anyone questions that. He's also one heck of a raquetball player. After that, there are some questions about his ability to run an NFL franchise.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Next year's draft? What the heck is the matter with you people?

I missed seeing the game Sunday night and am bummed. Is it some sort of tradition that a rookie head coach gets a "welcome to the NFL" onside kick? Otherwise it's completely bush for the Dolts to do something like that. Glad the Skins made them pay. Maybe Dungy isn't the class act everybody thinks he is.

I was a little doubtful when they drafted Kelly, especially based on his 40 times and how defensive he was about them. Seemed like a guy who was slow and was trying to hide it.

But, seems like he can play, it's too bad he's going to miss a couple of weeks. Given the situation at wideout, he's going to be playing a lot and missing reps with JC is going to hurt the team.

As far as OL, thank goodness we got out of that without an injury to Jansen or Samuels! We are mighty thin at tackle: Heyer is a good kid but I think he's got issues in pass protection. Feet are too slow and he gets off balance. Maybe Bugel can fix it if the kid is athletic enough. Wade needs to play guard, his feet are slow too but it's all natural baby. Buges isn't fixing that.

So, pass protection is going to be an issue if they get any injuries on the line. JZ's offense better have a lot of 3 and 5 step drops!

Posted by: DanPatrick | August 5, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

After that, there are some questions about his ability to run an NFL franchise.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 9:56 AM

There are questions about anyone's ability to run an NFL franchise. This is Vinny's first year of "running" one so he'll probably have a learning curve. Personally, I'd rather have Vinny than anyone from that crew who's trying to run the Packers right now.

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever seen wade at gaurd? He may be the worst ever.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 5, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Wade needs to play guard, his feet are slow too but it's all natural baby.

I remember that from last summer. No thanks.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 5, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Motivator,

If those truly are bogus then you'll have to wait for my Microsoft money rolls in from forwarding all those emails.

D-bag,

The handling of Favre aside I'll take Thompson. I hope Vinny does well. He actually seems like a decent guy and his success is my gain. We all know who's truly Captaining this ship anyway.

Posted by: Skinz | August 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

F Edouard

Posted by: John D in Houston | August 5, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Does the name London Fletcher ring a bell? (Or, Adam Archuleta?)

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 9:44 AM

Archuleta rings a huge bell in my ear much louder that London Fletcher. So yes becuase of this, you will never hear me advocating for filling needs thru Free Agency.
In regards to Heyer; you always put the the more athletically gifted tackle on the QB's blindside. Heyer went undrafted for a reason, I think his success is more of a product of Buges excellence than his physical gifts. Heyer has good long arms but his hips are narrow and he isn't naturally as quick as you want a LT to be. If Buges can do this with an undrafted Tackle what can he do with a more physically gifted Tackle in the 3rd or 4th round ? Stick him on the left and have Heyer vying for the right.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

As I recall last year, Wade at guard was Plan A, and Kendall at guard was Plan B.

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hang in there, John D. And beepbeep.

Posted by: Cindy | August 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

OK, it's one game.

But, when was the last time you remember the Redskins executing on offense this well in preseason? Taking so few penalties, making accurate reads, good throws, catching the football?

O-saka? You could make a case for it, but they did run the whole offense rather than just a few plays.

I don't ever remember a Norv team playing this well. Last time they played like this in preseason was Gibbs I.

Posted by: DanPatrick | August 5, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

If Buges can do this with an undrafted Tackle what can he do with a more physically gifted Tackle in the 3rd or 4th round ?

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Buges can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. He got lucky with Heyer. In 2004 we drafted two tackles for him: Molinaro and Wilson. If you want either of them back, you can call their agents because they're out of the league.

Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

is carrier still available?

Posted by: dan | August 5, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

So wait, did I miss something?? You can't pay off debts with bonus points? When did this happen?

For those of you who question the front office about picking Fred Davis with Cooley already in tow, the Pats, used first round picks on Tight Ends, within 2 years of each other when they drafted Daniel Graham with a first round pick, then traded a first, and a third to move up to select Ben Watson. Not saying this is going to pan out roses for the team, just saying....

Posted by: Greg | August 5, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Psp- its a conditional 7th, if we IR james we can keep it for the year. Not sure where this 4th rounder went.
As you all know I am a BAP fan in the draft. Lets hope we do the smart thing and trade our 1st for a 2,2 or a 2,3,4
That said
I would rate in order of need based on how they play right now:
S
CB
MLB
DT
C
LT
DE

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 5, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

We need to draft a CB in the 1st round next year. Springs is gonna be so done by the end of the year.

Posted by: Ben | August 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"could still use another WR at some point, too"

Why would the Skins bring in a reciever with no chance of making the team?

They have Moss, ARE, Thomas, Kelley, Thrash and Mix to fill either 5 or 6 slots. They already have several other recievers who played in the preseason game who won't be here in 3 weeks and you think they need more?

Posted by: Paul S | August 5, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Buges can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. He got lucky with Heyer. In 2004 we drafted two tackles for him: Molinaro and Wilson. If you want either of them back, you can call their agents because they're out of the league.
Posted by: d-bag | August 5, 2008 10:17 AM
That's true. I think I saw Jim Molinaro and Kili Lefotu selling used cars with Trung Candidate at Eastern Motors. Regardless you have to admit Heyer is slow with his footwork and agility. Drills can only do so much, you either got it or you don't. I think Heyer will make a name for himself as a solid, steady RT but not spectacular. I'm thinking a slightly less talented version of Jon Jansen, which is not too bad for an undrafted Lineman.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 5, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Dudes, FYI, there's a new thread up. There was a subtle 'beep beep' somewhere up above.

Paul, I think somebody above said the Farris/Espy mention was just in case they need some bodies for camp -- highly unlikely either of those guys would have a better shot than the McMullens etc. who are already in camp. But with this long of a training camp, and so many reps for the QBs and each offensive unit plus special teams, it's not unheard of to bring in dudes to take some reps.

Earl, agreed that Heyer has to be viewed as a work in progress. I love the kid, loved his heart last year as a completely raw rookie thrust into serious action, even though sometimes it was painful to watch. Just want to see him get better every season since we need a really solid backup tackle and heir apparent to Jansen...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 5, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

i think doughty is playing pretty good out there but why havent we taken a look at john lynch at strong safty.i like doughty but he isnt a h.o.f. like john. if u ask me he could help us out alot we dont need him but why not go after him since he was released

Posted by: ben freedman | August 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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