Ray Willis Is Another Free Agent Target

Ray Willis, the young Seattle tackle, could be the solution to Washington's right tackle problems, and is someone the team is looking at as free agency looms, according to a league source. Willis, 26, did not play much in his first three years in Seattle - he was drafted while Skins coaches Jim Zorn and Stump Mitchell were on the staff - but when injuries hit the Seahawks' line last year, he started 10 games and fared well.

He is still a bit raw, but has great size at 6-feet-6, 315 pounds. Some executives in the league believe him to be Washington's top tackle option, and he will not be too expensive to land. With Derrick Dockery released and now someone younger who could be plugged in at guard, the Skins have some decent options. As we have previously reported, the Skins have given no indications that they will be making a play for the more expensive young offensive linemen like Jason Brown or Chris Kemoeatu.

If the Skins can't land someone like Willis or Dockery, then older players coming off injuries would fit the value role. These are guys we have already discussed this week like Jeff Saturday, Mark Tauscher and Stacy Andrews.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 26, 2009; 6:50 PM ET
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Comments

willis would be great i would take him over dockery

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I can`t say that many guys up here have been talking about Ray Willis as a FIRST option at tackle. Good scouting.

Things are looking up today. This is how the Skins are always FIRST in the off season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Dokcery is a guard. Not really a fair comparison.

I'd rather draft a kid 4-5 years younger. They'll cost the same, and are about equally unproven. Gimme Andre Smith or Michael Oher.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 26, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Sign Willis & Dockery

Posted by: cspwoods3 | February 26, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

From espn scouting

Willis is a massive tackle who has been a backup for the Seahawks the past three years. He has excellent size and strength for the position, but is somewhat-limited in his lateral range and agility in space. He has strong hands and is able to shock opponents as he engages. He can create movement at the point of attack and create run lanes, but does not do a great job of bringing his feet with him, which causes him to fall off blocks more than you'd like. He will show above-average initial quickness and can kickstep for the short set, but lacks the lateral range to get out with some of the better speed rushers. He will struggle in space when he has to react and right himself versus counter moves. He has some tools to work with, but badly needs more experience and more technique work with his footwork and hand use.

He seems like a good project fro Buges

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

willis would be great i would take him over dockery

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 7:03 PM

This is hard to fathom. You`d take a one-year starter who`s never been in Washington over a proven vet who worked out great in this system? Agree to disagree, but anyway it`s not either/or. We could get both.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

a better option might be 6 year player RT Jon Stinchcomb of the new orleans saints. solid player. the saints dont look to be able to get him signed and he will be available.
a more finished product than willis to be sure. more costly also. but he would be an immediate starter

Posted by: shally | February 26, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Notorious_LMG
I am with you on the draft picks.

Posted by: why-hate | February 26, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

i like it, i like it... using our heads

Posted by: mopp04 | February 26, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

ray willis is a one year wonder for now. I take dockery over willis even though they are playing different positions

Posted by: why-hate | February 26, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

the plot thickens.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Right now we need to look at Rt that are an upgrade of what we got. jensen was great for years but the time has ended. Heyer is decent but he fall with ray willis a project that needs more seasons. great back up.

Posted by: why-hate | February 26, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Is RI back as a Insider for the scouting... me thinks maybe.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 26, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

hey talent dockery had one good year next to a healthy samuels and a younger one too he flopped in buffalo since

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Since the two lightening rod topics today have been Haynesworth and Jason Campbell...take a look at this CHFF article that compares post-season success to Defensive Hogs Index and the Quarterback position.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2684_The_mighty_DHI_placed_in_historic_context.html

It'll keep the gray matter moving, anyway.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

how is dockery a proven vet he had one good year

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

why-hate, I hear you on Snyder. I don't really loathe him, I know he means well. But he needs to back off. Probably never will.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

To me, this is NOT good news.

This just provides Vinny another opportunity to skip this position come draft day because we have some "options".

Say the Redskins sign Willis. They'll then have Chris Samuels, Ray Willis, Stephon Heyer, AND Jon Jansen under contract next season. Anybody think Vinny, who by all accounts has been allergic to drafting offensive linemen earlier than the 3rd round (and probably still develops a rash when 3rd or 4th rounders are used) will be thinking of spending #13 on a 5th tackle?

Purely as a depth guy, sure. I have a feeling the skins will view him as much more than that.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Was dbrine being sarcastic?
"25 TD's, with less than 15 interceptions, loses less than 4 fumbles while throwing for 4000 yards".

Tom Brady:
2007 50/8/4/4806: check
2006 24/12/4/3529: Nope!
2005 26/14/3/4110: check
2004 28/14/5/3692: Nope!
2003 23/12/5/3620: Nope!
2002 28/14/5/3764: Nope!

So Brady is 2 out of 6 years. Manning did it every year from 99-08 except for 02 (19 picks) and 05 (3747 yards).

Romo's never done it. LB Manning, nope. McNabb came close in 2008 (23/11/5/3916).

Dude, you want a lot from a QB.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 26, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree, more than any other unit in football the OL has to play as one. It's got to be tough to scout these guys.

"The chain is only as strong as the weakest link, Quai Chang."

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Dockery, Willis, and we still have Reinhart...that's a great start at rebuilding the O-line...

Also...Sportstalk 980 is reporting that D'Angelo Hall is being pursued by the Patriots.

Well...it was nice knowing you D'Angelo. To hell with that "I grew up in the area" crap.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 26, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather draft a kid 4-5 years younger. They'll cost the same, and are about equally unproven. Gimme Andre Smith or Michael Oher.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 26, 2009"

They should do both. Bring in the best they can from the draft. Plus. Signing Dockery an Willis in addition to drafting makes sense. Remember they really do not have anyone other than Heyer to backup at tackle. They should let Kendall go and try to stick with youth. This would provide better insurance than Fabrini. They may also be interested in the Raven's center.

These moves make far more sense than signing a Haynesworth. If they can't sign Hall forget Orapkho they are going cornerback if they don't go tackle.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Notorious_LMG
I agree with you. I do think we should take care of our draft picks better. trading them has been awful. we lose in each deal we done.

Posted by: why-hate | February 26, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"Gimme Andre Smith or Michael Oher." Forget these duds. Smith panicked during the interview session and fled the building. What's he going to do when Osie Umenyoria gets in his grillwork? Oher flubbed the bench press part of the physical tests. The dud had fewer reps than some pipestem QB, for God's sake.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

C'mon psp3!

On the one hand people say get mid-level FA's to rebuild, then if they are interested then they're not good enough. If they get a high priced FA, then they're fiscally irresponsible.

Whew...can't please nobody!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 26, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"lacks the lateral range to get out with some of the better speed rushers. He will struggle in space when he has to react and right himself versus counter moves.

He seems like a good project fro Buges."

He seems like Jansen 2.0. There was a reason he wasn't starting in Seattle until injury forced him into the lineup.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

PFT


JASON BROWN SAYS RAVENS WILL CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE ON OFFENSE
Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2009, 7:09 p.m.

Ravens center Jason Brown will soon be playing for a new team. And it sounds like Brown is more than a little bitter over the team’s decision not to pay him the kind of contract he apparently will be getting on the open market.

“[F]or the last four years I’ve poured out my heart and my soul to that team,” Brown said during an appearance on Sporting News Radio’s The Monty Show. “Any and everything that you could possibly say or do to be that guy, the type of caliber player where any team out there would say, ‘Hey that’s the type of guy we want, that we need on our team,’ that’s me. I’m not trying to pump myself up right now, but that’s how I have to feel because I’ve done everything possible to market myself and to build my stock over the last four years.”

Brown also thinks that the decision not to keep him arises from an ongoing philosophy to invest money onto the defensive side of the ball.

“And I do realize they’re in a binding situation right now and if you look at the history with Baltimore they’ve always been a defensive team and with the stance their taking with me right now looks as though they will continue to be a defensive team that struggles offensive wise,” Brown said.

Brown has been informed that the Ravens won’t be attempting to re-sign him. Candidates to land him include the Redskins, Dolphins, Vikings, and Rams.

Posted by: forever21 | February 26, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

There is one solution. I don't mind the idea of going into next year with 5T 3G 1C got to prepare JJ to be no 2 Center though

Posted by: alex35332 | February 26, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

the skins need to sign Dockery, Canty and Hall my only issue is with willis is that has he faced big time end in his career like the one he'll face if he;s signed and he becomes the starter at right tackle someone like justin tuck once they sign Hall they can release springs and trade rogers for seconf round pick which they can use for linebacker.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 26, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

to the person that put out that scouting report about willis from espn...any chance they have one on stephon heyer...i'd be curious to see what they say about him vs. willis

Posted by: jasonma1 | February 26, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

On the one hand people say get mid-level FA's to rebuild, then if they are interested then they're not good enough. If they get a high priced FA, then they're fiscally irresponsible.

Whew...can't please nobody!

Posted by: rickyroge

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You knew better than to expect 100% agreement.

For the record, I've been arguing against mid-level FAs all day.

However, it's not Willis himself that bothers me. It's what I fear Vinny will do if Willis is on the roster, and that's ignore the offensive line come draft day.

"Dockery, Willis, and we still have Reinhart...that's a great start at rebuilding the O-line..."

Do you really believe Dockery, Willis, and Rinehart is a great start at rebuilding the offensive line? Am I the only one that would fear the day those three are considered the cornerstones of the offensive line?

Add in Andre Smith or Michael Oher and I'd agree with you. I just get the feeling that Vinny wouldn't do that if he ended picking up another "depth" guy. Count me as someone that wants blue-chip prospects, not another team's leftovers.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

If Andre Smith falls to us at 13 we have to take him, it would be one of the dumbest decisions not to draft this kid. I could care less about the combine situation, there are plenty of guys that don't perform (on or off the field) at the combine that end up being some of the best players to be drafted. Alabama's offense was completely dependent upon Smith and one of the main reasons why they lost their bowl game to Utah.

You can't disregard Smith's whole career based upon a one game suspension and his decision to not perform at the combine. Samuels can metor this kid and most importantly he is an absolute monster..the best OT in the draft who should be drafted in the top 5.

Posted by: rj3743 | February 26, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Rebuilding The O-Line

Right now.... They are all Old.

Whatever they decide... Be consistent,
Meaning if you are going to draft a few O-linemen in the draft then add young guys
in free agency. This way they can grow up together. That's what Buges did in the early Eighties.

No more stop gaps please.

Posted by: rhowze | February 26, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Schefter had about this Willis guy on his blog earlier today. He thinks he won't be cheap and I tend to trust his sources over Jasno.

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN
Jason Brown, Ravens (C-G) — Would not be surprising to see the Dolphins make a major push for him.
Jon Stinchcomb, Saints (T) — The top tackle free agent has been a full-time starter for Saints.
Jeff Saturday, Colts (C) — Colts already have informed him they don’t expect to bring him back.
Stacy Andrews, Bengals (T) — The Bengals’ franchise player last offseason, he suffered a serious knee injury this season.
Khalif Barnes, Jaguars (T) — It’s rare that 26-year-old starting left tackles hit the market.
Sleeper: Ray Willis, Seahawks (T) — Pay attention to his name; the contract he lands is going to be eye opening.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 26, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels was just interviewed at the Caps game and said he is excited about the possibility of Dockery coming back. I'll be surprised if we don't land him. Said his rehab was going well too.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 26, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree on Smith...All this combine stuff is garbage...get him, as far as "leftovers" are concerned, that's what you use in week 10 when your o-line begins to break down.

Leftovers = Depth

Posted by: rickyroge | February 26, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

the skins need to sign Dockery, Canty and Hall my only issue is with willis is that has he faced big time end in his career like the one he'll face if he;s signed and he becomes the starter at right tackle someone like justin tuck once they sign Hall they can release springs and trade rogers for seconf round pick which they can use for linebacker.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | February 26, 2009 7:52 PM

You getting worked on by Kevorkian? Can't follow your jibberish.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 26, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Leftovers = Depth

Posted by: rickyroge

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As long as it doesn't cost much and it doesn't affect decisions on draft day, I'll agree on this point.

However, I think you ultimately want the depth to be from your mid-late round draft picks, not free agents. But since the skins are limited in that aspect this year, I can go along for some young, cheap FA signings.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Saturday is off the market. That drives up Jason Brown's price.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

As long as they are reasonably priced to cheap, consistent as starters with greater future potential, and under 28 get them. Add the draft picks into the mix.

I'm not sure Canty is going to be any better than Taylor. Again we ask why is that Taylor can play linebacker ... (perhaps Canty?) yet Jackson and Wilson cannot. Answer: they do have the heart, the guts to get in there to stop the run. They aren't just sack masters.

In the 4-3 its all about stopping the run first. The "Mike" DT is critical. That is Griffin. Why are they keeping him? Not letting him go as they could have to save cap space? Because there isn't anyone out there or in the draft to replace him.

On the offensive side of the ball, OL-wise that is not the case. There are potential starters for the OL in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

At this point given their situation. The more YOUNG, reasonably talented, HEALTHY, MOTIVATED OL they bring into camp the better.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

They're making something so simple, too difficult. Number one; this team is due for a shake up on the roster. Haven't really had one in 5yrs. Two why resrtucture this guys contract when he's past his time and production has been low and his age is the only thing high. that being they should cut Corneilius Griffin, and Shwan spring s for that matter. NOw there is your cap space to sign Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery and Willis. Next thing you do is bring back Montgomery and Golston. With the 13 overall pick you take Brian Cushing OLB out of USC to replace Washington. Use the rest of the picks on O-lineman and Defensive Ends.

Posted by: cee_212002 | February 26, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Saturday, Colts (C) — Colts already have informed him they don’t expect to bring him back.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 26, 2009 8:06 PM

The Colts and Saturday have agreed to terms.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"With the 13 overall pick you take Brian Cushing OLB out of USC to replace Washington. Use the rest of the picks on O-lineman and Defensive Ends.

Posted by: cee_212002 | February 26, 2009"

They can get by with the linebacking they have now. They did last year.

Both starting tackles have been decimated by injuries. There is no way they go for linebacker if any one of the top ranked offensive tackles are available. They have to pick that guy. Perhaps next year as well. Rhinehart is a flop at tackle and no one is even sure he can play guard and start.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

They're making something so simple, too difficult. Number one; this team is due for a shake up on the roster. Haven't really had one in 5yrs. Two why resrtucture this guys contract when he's past his time and production has been low and his age is the only thing high. that being they should cut Corneilius Griffin, and Shwan spring s for that matter. NOw there is your cap space to sign Haynesworth, Hall, Dockery and Willis. Next thing you do is bring back Montgomery and Golston. With the 13 overall pick you take Brian Cushing OLB out of USC to replace Washington. Use the rest of the picks on O-lineman and Defensive Ends.

Posted by: cee_212002 | February 26, 2009 8:22 PM

The reason Randle El and Griffin were extended was to create cap space. The catch was the opt out clause added so that the Redskins could terminate their contracts next year. A small hint of smarts in there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Snidely Owl's Midnight witching hour approaches rapidly ... given the dearth of money and what has happened to the baseball FA's players are likely going to jump at contracts offered. The signings may happen rapidly in succession.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

There is no way I would take Cushing at 13, the track record of Trojans getting drafted in the top 20 in the last few years is not very good and linebacker is the least of our worries on defense. Although 13 is probably a little too high I would take Clay Matthews before I took Cushing, he is faster and is a much better pass rusher with great bloodlines. Just a thought, and I know it would be replacing one older guy with another but with if we signed Derrick Brooks to the veteran minimum. He wouldn't be a long term liability and from what I recall he hasn't had too many injury problems.

Posted by: rj3743 | February 26, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Linebacker is not quite the least of our worries on defense. It's actually quite a big worry.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

how is dockery a proven vet he had one good year

Posted by: mudman220 | February 26, 2009 7:19 PM

Dockery has started 93 games -- every game since he`s been in the NFL except for the first three. The guy was a stalwart when he was next to Chris Samuels. And, as noted above, `Chris Samuels is excited about the possibility of his coming back.`

Why, who's your idea of a proven vet? Ray Willis? He`s been in the league four years, appeared in 28 games, and started ten.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Before coming here, my sense was that Tampa Bay — which has $40 million in salary-cap room — ... " Geeseth. Can you imagine what Danny and Vinny would do if they were told they had that much cap room? The neuron overlord in their brains would probably put them in a coma.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Dockery has started 93 games -- every game since he`s been in the NFL except for the first three.
....

Ray Willis? He`s been in the league four years, appeared in 28 games, and started ten.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009"

Get them both if they can, instead of Haynesworth. And draft a starting left tackle. And another guard.

Rhinehart was drafted as tackle. Flopped, so they tried him at guard.

All the starters except Rabach and Heyer have had major injuries at this point. And, let's face it, Rabach and Heyer would not be starters with the original hogs. They need upgrades across the entire line not just at one position. The backups, other than Heyer, are either old or really pretty pathetic. Geisinger?

Other than Samuels? And he has now had 2 injuries that were serious enough to put him on IR and knees that are going to be a question mark from now on.

Get them both. Plus draft them. Try to put a decent, young OL on the field next year.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Get them both if they can, instead of Haynesworth.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 8:56 PM

With you all the way. Dock we know about for sure. Willis may have the chops to step in. Gotta trust Zorn and the FO on this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Linebacker is not quite the least of our worries on defense. It's actually quite a big worry.

Posted by: scampbell1975"

Linebackers are like running backs; unless they're truly special, they're only as good as the line in front of them allows them to be.

At this point, it's more important to set the defensive line. If we're able to sign Haynesworth, then the focus can switch.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah forget signing willis, sounds like another stephen heyer all over! Draft A. Smith or Oher at 13 please! I mean im all for some depth but I'd rather go after someone else with more starts

Posted by: hillb03 | February 26, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah forget signing willis, sounds like another stephen heyer all over! Draft A. Smith or Oher at 13 please! I mean im all for some depth but I'd rather go after someone else with more starts

Posted by: hillb03 | February 26, 2009 9:08 PM

Sure, but you have to pay for it or settle for a broken down old nag. Guy got the job done for Seattle last year.

The strategy is to meet all your needs in free agency so that you can go into the draft looking for upgrades. If you don`t have a starting RT before the draft, then you`re screwed if all the starting OTs are gone before you pick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Saturday resigned with colts and is off the market...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Jets cut Brandon Moore. We should take him on the cheap. He's a good guard and proven, plus he is relatively young.

Posted by: DCNative81 | February 26, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"Linebacker is not quite the least of our worries on defense. It's actually quite a big worry.

Posted by: scampbell1975"

Linebackers are like running backs; unless they're truly special, they're only as good as the line in front of them allows them to be.

At this point, it's more important to set the defensive line. If we're able to sign Haynesworth, then the focus can switch.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 9:04 PM

Must I spell it out for you. Linebacker isn't the least of our worries. Cornerback and safety are the least of our worries on offense. And while linebackers depend a great deal on their line, your statement is ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Per PFT:

The Washington Redskins intend to go after Baltimore Ravens free agent center Jason Brown after midnight when the free agency signing period officially begins unless they re-sign left guard Pete Kendall, according to Adam Caplan of Scout.com.

Per Caplan, Brown could be paid at a level approaching top guard money. That would mean an annual average compensation of $8 million.

The Miami Dolphins, who have been looking to improve at center over starter Samson Satele, and the Buffalo Bills are expected to pursue Brown, too.

According to the article, the St. Louis Rams and the Jacksonville Jaguars are expected to bypass Brown.

The Minnesota Vikings are another possibility if Matt Birk isn’t re-signed

...and thanks for backing me up on the Saturday signing cL

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

er eh defense, the least of our worries on defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

i gotcha s-camp.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse


"er eh defense, the least of our worries on defense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009"

If they lose Hall? Yes, cornerback becomes almost as high a concern as OT for them. The Panthers may cut Lucas (doesn't want to go to Detroit). They could draft one. But with the OL in a shambles they really need to focus on that.
I'm not sure I would want Smoot as my 3rd corner. Springs should move to safety and 3rd down cover corner making that position very deep
indeed.

Linebacker? Not hardly especially if they move Taylor in there.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Really they need to draft OL HIGH. And get those FA's. They can't rely on either given their track record with both. They have no depth to speak of on the OL. They have starters who walk with canes when they aren't playing. Samuels is really their only true premium starter and he really should move to right tackle this year.

Forget Haynesworth. Forget the defensive "beasts". Next year they can deal with it if they haven't traded away all of their picks again. Fix the OL.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes JLa, we do have "decent options"...

...and all of them will evaporate when Snyder signs Haynesnotworthit to a $300billion contract at 12:00:01 AM Friday...

Posted by: p1funk | February 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Some FA scuttlebutt

Adam Caplan's Free Agency News Blog

Ravens: Lewis Expected to Stay?
According to a league executive, Baltimore Ravens MLB Ray Lewis is expected to re-sign with the team. The executive notes that talk around the league is that there really isn't a lot of interest in the 33-year old inside linebacker.
UPDATED THURSDAY 9:31 PM ET

Bengals: Houshmandzadeh Pushing For Philly?
While the Cincinnati Bengals continue to push to re-sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh, a league source indicated that the veteran receiver is pining to sign with the Philadelphia Eagles. However, Philadelphia hasn't shown the same interest, according to league sources.
As mentioned earlier, Houshmandzadeh also could draw the interest of the San Francisco 49ers. According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Houshmandzadeh has also been linked to the New York Giants and Chicago Bears, who both have the need for receiver help.
UPDATED THURSDAY 9:09 PM ET

Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Ignore the rumors unless Jason et al can verify through their sources. Its all about the agents trying to drive the bidding up if other teams think Snidely is going to overspend for their client.

Posted by: periculum | February 26, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

This is the deepest left tackle draft in a long time...probably 4 of them worthy of being in the top 10 picks. Odds are that one of them will fall to the Skins pick. So Vinny/Danny be smart and a little creative for once, instead of always doing the obvious and overpaying: Lets all admit is time to move Samuels over the right tackle position, where he can dominate for 3-4 more years. And take a LT with the top pick. Not sexy I know but it is what the line needs, a new stud at a key position not simply more medicore talent mixed in.

Posted by: oddjob2 | February 26, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

scamp, just because you say something is "ludicrous" doesn't make it so.

When a 240 lb linebacker gets pancaked by a 300 lb offensive lineman because his DT couldn't beat a single-team or force a double-team, that's not an going to reflect well on the LB, regardless of how "good" he is.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Psp, then why don't you explain why London Fletcher is so good. Is it because he has an awesome line in front of him? DL isn't going to help a linebacker cover a tight end or running back out of the back either. You make blanket statements that prove you too are ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I rest my case on the linebacker argument, one of the biggest d bags ever to grace this blog just sided with the other side.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Psp, then why don't you explain why London Fletcher is so good. Is it because he has an awesome line in front of him? DL isn't going to help a linebacker cover a tight end or running back out of the back either. You make blanket statements that prove you too are ludicrous.

Posted by: scampbell1975

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London Fletcher, one of the best MLBs in the game, posts some of the most average statistics in the league for a player of his caliber. That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It's the same reason why Shawn Springs, Carlos Roger, and Laron Landry post average statistics as defensive backs, despite all 3 being top-tier players. Even Deangelo Hall, who has some of the best hands and playmaking ability for a DB in the league, ended up with a grand total of 2 interceptions in half a season (which extrapolated would have ended up with 4 for the year, his 2nd lowest total of his career, and lowest since his rookie year).

It ALWAYS starts with the line.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I ran across this and I had to throw it on the blog. If these numbers are right maybe 'ol Vinny is working a plan??

It appears Vinny has created a 2 year-plan before our very eyes and we haven't even noticed it.

Within 2 years, these names should come off the books cleanly (following the 2010 season):

-Jason Taylor ($8.5 million cap figure in 2009)
-Chris Samuels ($9.3 million)
-Antwaan Randle El ($4.1)
-Andre Carter ($6.1)
-Cornelius Griffin ($6.1)
-Shawn Springs ($8.5)
-Casey Rabach ($3.6)
-Rock Cartwright ($1.0)
-Phillip Daniels ($2.6)
-Todd Yoder ($.89)
-Mike Sellers ($.92)

With these names alone, it looks as though following the 2010 season, approximately $43 million in cap space will be cleared, with respect to this year's cap.

Add in cutting these names (with release fees included) and the team saves:

- London Fletcher ($2.2 million net)
- Fred Smoot ($2.6 million net)
- Jon Jansen ($2.5 million net)

Together, those names added to the ones above them clear approximately $50 million in cap space (relative to this year's cap number).

The only players to get significantly more expensive between now and then are Clinton Portis (cap number rises from $5.6 to $10.6) and Chris Cooley (rises from $3 to $6). Santana Moss actually becomes cheaper ($1.5 million net). Randy Thomas' contract remains the same. Moss could also be cut to save $5 million relative to this year's cap. Portis could be cut with zero savings relative to this year's cap, as can Randy Thomas.

Posted by: DCNative81 | February 26, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Peri, you are the king of "if then." First off, Hall is not the end all be all for cornerbacks. He's good, and we could sure use him, but not getting him doesn't cause us dire straits. Second, if we move Taylor. Have you been beaten stupid? First off, Taylor is a DE that plays the right side. When moved out of his comfort zone (yet still a DE) he sucked. What on earth makes you think that after playing DE for so many years that he's just going to become a worthy linebacker? You invent scenarios to try to prove your point. How about start working from the scenario as it stands and go from there? This is why I call ITA on you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Psp, you are still trying to argue a point that I didn't deny. All I said was that it doesn't take a great line to make a linebacker good. My argument was that linebacker was far from the least of our worries. I, too, think that the DL is our biggest concern, but linebacker is not the last position on defense I would address. Safety is, then cornerback, hence making linebacker NOT the least of our worries.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

scamp, and all I said was that D-line was a bigger issue, and that should be the focus prior to LB. Nothing more.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is everybody down on Smoot? I don' think Rogers is better or worse than Smoot, just younger.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 26, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I'll go with that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Didn't mean to make seem like I was jumping on you scamp, just a little antsy for the start of FA.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Its all good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"He fired Norv with a team that still had a chance to make the playoffs. His free agent signings under Norv were a great example of his fantasy approach to team building. Marty brought things back under cap control for a year." Fun fact - Marty succeeded Norv with the Skins and then Norv succeeded Marty with the Bolts.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Nice absolutely random post Anton. Is it a game? Name that dillhole? Who is Dan Snyder?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Yes JLa, we do have "decent options"...

...and all of them will evaporate when Snyder signs Haynesnotworthit to a $300billion contract at 12:00:01 AM Friday... " And Obama is going to make sure that most of the NFL bailout $$$ goes to Da Bears!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

At a time when many are assuming that Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth or Ravens center Jason Brown will be the first free agents to visit Redskins Park when the doors fly open at 12:01 a.m. EST, we’re hearing indications that the first visitor will actually be Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty.

Canty has been a defensive end in the 3-4 attack that the Cowboys employ.

The Washington Post reported on Thursday that the ‘Skins are interested, explaining that he would play defensive end on first and second downs, and move inside in obvious passing situations.

Canty recently has expressed an interest in playing for the Dolphins, given that Miami V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells drafted Canty out of Virginia when Parcells was the coach in Dallas.


Posted by: TWISI | February 26, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Isnt a chigurh a lttle bug that burrows up under the surface of your skin?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

""Speaking of RBs, if they sign him, in a couple of years he and Portis will be sucking up half the cap space in the FO and plenty of pond scum on the field.

Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Nope. In a couple years (after 2010), the Redskins will have in excess of $50 million in cap figures taken off the roster, with the possiblity of greater than $60 million (both numbers relative to this years cap), and Portis will be able to be cut with zero net loss. So no, they (AH and Portis) won't even be close to "sucking up half the cap space).

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 12:47 PM

The only players to get significantly more expensive between now and then are Clinton Portis (cap number rises from $5.6 to $10.6) and Chris Cooley (rises from $3 to $6). Santana Moss actually becomes cheaper ($1.5 million net). Randy Thomas' contract remains the same. Moss could also be cut to save $5 million relative to this year's cap. Portis could be cut with zero savings relative to this year's cap, as can Randy Thomas.


Posted by: DCNative81 | February 26, 2009 9:49 PM

psps23 - I exaggerated to illustrate a point. Re Portis - 10.6 mill is still a lot of cap space to suck up in anybody's scheme of things.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Isnt a chigurh a lttle bug that burrows up under the surface of your skin?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:22 PM

Very, very funny. I hear Conan is looking for writers. You're wasting your talents on this blog dude.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | February 26, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

from cindys tweets:

RedskinsInsider#Skins have made some late progress with Hall talks...Haynesworth probably will pick from among Det, Atl, TBay, Tenn and Wash.

RedskinsInsiderCutting Springs would put #Skins another $14 million below cap.

RedskinsInsiderOne source tells La Canfora/Reid that #Skins are about $8m under the cap, after cutting Washington and redoing those 4 deals.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Anton, I try (usually with little success.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - I exaggerated to illustrate a point. Re Portis - 10.6 mill is still a lot of cap space to suck up in anybody's scheme of things.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

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Right, but my point was that 10.6 million when the team has $50 million in cap space (with that included) isn't nearly as bad as $10.6 million with only $8 million in cap space.

And Portis will be able to be released with and save an extra $5 million ($10 million cap figure, $5 million release fee).

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the updates cL.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I hear Conan is looking for writers.
I thought Conan was looking for this big-a$$ed sword.

And Bridgette Nielsen.

Posted by: daggar | February 26, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

A little birdie told me that we may go after Angelo Crowell to replace Marcus Washington.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

TIMES CONFIRMS CANTY-TO-SKINS RUMOR
Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2009, 11:08 p.m.
The Washington Times has confirmed our report that the Redskins will be taking immediate aim at Cowboys defensive end Chris Canty once free agency officially opens in less than an hour.

The most intriguing question about this one is whether and to what extent there has been advance contact between the Redskins and agent Brad Blank.

Technically, there should be none — not even regarding arrangements for a visit on Friday.

And the pre-free agency tampering has gotten so rampant that one media source has opined to us that the league is going to have to acknowledge the situation and either permit it or take action to stopt it.

The problem is that everyone does it. A high-level executive with one team told us a couple of years ago that his team never engaged in advance discussions regarding looming free agents until he realized that his team was at a competitive disadvantage because everyone else was doing it.

The media source with whom we spoke today shared a similar story regarding a G.M. who realized several years back that, if he didn’t tell agents before the process began that his team was interested in certain players, deals would be in place with other teams before the market actually opened.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

From our early edition story:

On the eve of the opening of the free agent market, the Washington Redskins made their final push to retain cornerback DeAngelo Hall before he could consider offers from other teams, completed preparations to pursue Tennessee Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and explored bringing back guard Derrick Dockery among other offensive line options, NFL sources said late yesterday.

The Buffalo Bills' unexpected release of Dockery, a former Redskins draft pick and four-year starter, prompted team officials to consider re-signing the unrestricted free agent as part of their plan to bolster a unit considered among the team's weakest. Washington also expressed significant interest in Seattle Seahawks tackle Ray Willis, and is expected to pursue Baltimore Ravens guard-center Jason Brown if he becomes available, said league sources, who requested anonymity because of tampering rules.

The Ravens and Brown's agent, Harold Lewis, reportedly were at an impasse in talks yesterday. Brown has told teammates he wants a deal to be completed quickly, and is seeking a contract that would include about $16 million guaranteed and an average salary of $8 million per season.

Meanwhile, the Redskins intensified their efforts to complete a deal with Hall's agents as the clock ticked toward the start of free agency at 12:01 a.m. today, with the sides making late progress, league sources said. Re-signing Hall, whom the team signed to a one-year deal in November after he was released by the Oakland Raiders, is integral to Washington's offseason plan.

Negotiations began last week with Hall's representatives, Joel Segal and Alvin Keels, during the NFL scouting combine at Indianapolis, but the process had not moved as swiftly as some in the organization hoped. Washington, as of yesterday, remained committed to attempting to reach an agreement with Hall, who could command upwards of $15 million guaranteed.

Haynesworth reportedly is seeking much more. The two-time all-pro selection could command a package that eclipses the contract of Minnesota Vikings defensive end Jared Allen, the current top-paid defensive player, who received $32 million guaranteed as part of a six-year deal that averages $12.2 million per season.

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, regard Haynesworth, 27, as a potential difference-maker worth pursuing at almost any cost, sources said. However, other potential bidders have much more room than the Redskins under the 2009 salary cap of $127 million.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 26, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

did the post go to bed? PFT and the Times are still at work, and apparently we may sign Haynesworth and Canty tonight......and if its between keeping Hall or getting those two, give me the beef!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 26, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

And ... on Canty and the cap:


The Dallas Cowboys' Chris Canty, a versatile defensive end who can play the run and pass rush from the interior on third downs, has been observed closely by the Redskins for some time, and was a player the team had interest in making a free agent visit as soon as today, according to league sources.

After releasing linebacker Marcus Washington and restructuring the contracts of defensive end Andre Carter, wide receiver Antwaan Randle El, defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and left tackle Chris Samuels, Washington is about $8 million under the cap, said a longtime league official who studied the numbers yesterday. The Redskins could create about $14 million in cap room by releasing cornerback Shawn Springs, and clear even more space by restructuring the contract of defensive end Jason Taylor, though the team supposedly has no plans to do that, Taylor's agent said recently.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 26, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

wow, Cindy shut me up, thanks for the update!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 26, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I'll keep Rogers, Springs, and Smoot and sign Albert, Canty, and Dockery!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 26, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

yo jacky-z...cindy is posting, calling and tweeting like mad....pay respects man!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

D'oh! Only way it could be better is if Our Dauphine posted right after Jack. Think of the allegations of tampering we could indulge in, particularly since she has the keys to Loseable Type!

Posted by: daggar | February 26, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Do we know if Redskin one has filed a flight plan for later tonight yet?

Posted by: will_ga | February 26, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Cyn, what's the holdup with Hall? If he's our top priority, why isn't this done?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

20 minutes till showtime!I hope we all have our popcorn ready. And a box of Puffs because I have a feeling I'll be crying a river after we spend all our money on defense.

Posted by: will_ga | February 26, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I think the holdup with Hall is that he is negotiating from a pretty solid position.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 26, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

you said it

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

let me guess cindy, an all nighter?

this is so exciting!!! love this time of the year. it's like x-mas eve!

-total drive by!

Posted by: dealer1 | February 26, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been this excited about the start of free agency since... gosh, I dunno!

So many holes to fill on this team!

So much lingering disappointment from this past season!

So much cap space available! (Er, not so much, I guess.)

A big fat NO on big fat Haynesworth. Please.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

We cant get Hall and Albert AND Dock can we?

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

It's not tampering if I call Hall myself and ask him to re-sign with the Skins, is it?

I ain't too proud to beg.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Wish I had something to mobile text alert.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 26, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Yikes 10 mins to go..Still watching Idol over here

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm just surprised that Danny hasn't come close enough to make this a done deal. Now, to make everyone fully aware of my ignorance, how do I get the Insider on Twitter?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Tyler, I wouldn't rule anything out.

You're dealing with the Walt Disney of NFL owners... if you can dream it, he and Vinnie can make it happen.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn, they let the hot girl with the tattos go..;(

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

s-camp you need a twiiter account than you just search redskins insider in "search in twitter" and then "follow"


all free

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Youre right Nate...Syndley is the WILLY WONKA of the league...Who can make the sunrise!!!!!!!!!Sprinkel it with dew..The Danny man can!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Tyler you are watching Idol....yikes

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks cL, I've got the account setup...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Careful, Nate. You wouldn't want to cost them a draft pick...

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 26, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Alls I know is I'm out of beer so I'm drinking wine.

What I can't remember is whether there's likely to be any actual NEWS on the first night of free agency.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh cool.. Hells Kithchens on

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Wifes watching..Im just rooting for the hot girls to keep going on...

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 26, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Fred Taylor to Pats being tweeted by PFT

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Would absolutely love to see us get Dockery and Jason Brown from the Ravens, maybe even Willis from the Seahawks. If we don't get Willis, draft the top OL at #13 to give us Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Brown, and Willis/ Smith or Oher with Thomas, Jansen, Rinehart, and Heyer as back-ups. That sounds like a pretty amazing O-Line to me!

And sheesh, if you can add Haynesworth and Canty, why not cut Springs, Griffin, and Jason Taylor and draft a CB with our first pick (especially if we get Willis???)

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 26, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, I feel like I'm missing stuff since I never check the twitters any more.

But nonetheless, here you are hanging out in the comments with us, just like the olden days, and I likee very much.

I hope there's good food and drink wherever you are.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

did we sign albert yet

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

And it begins.

Posted by: psps23 | February 27, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty hard to look at any of these possible moves in isolation and reject them out of hand. Even Haynesworth -- a move that I would never pull the trigger on in my fantasy GM life -- has enough people whose opinion I respect claiming that he will be worth it.
Maybe by Sunday we'll have an idea of all the moves that have been made, and whether they make coherent sense.

Posted by: daggar | February 27, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

It's usually guys re-signing with their former teams on the night free agency opens. Why would you become a free agent and not talk to more than one team? And to have a deal done with a team other than your previous one so quickly would raise tampering questions.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 27, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of when the blog started..I remember the old days..I was OC Skins at the time

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

is canty a Skin yet????

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I can't quite remember where the Skins are number-wise... is it about 8 million under the cap plus the 4 million the cap went up from previous expectations, giving the Skins about 12 million in room for '09? Or is it about 8 million total?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

PFT must be getting crushed right about now.

Posted by: will_ga | February 27, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Nate, it depends on who you ask. The estimates vary from $8-15 million.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey Nate! You guys is good company. Wish I had some news for you. No food, just some tea here.

Posted by: CindyBoren | February 27, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

its 10-12 somewhere in there...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

must... have... news...

love... skins... too... much...

need... to fantasize... about great improvements and potentially stop-gap depth...

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 27, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

PFT is offline..cant get on

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

is the redskins superbowl, need to score a TD on the opening drive so we can dominate the only season we really care about, that being the offseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Good one T Dawg..Funny stuff

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

go to sportingnews.com they have a back up link there in the nfl section with the same content.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, remember last season when we did NOTHING in free agency?

Because we were kind of cap-strapped, and besides all we needed to get to the next level was one big pass-catcher, and we got THREE of 'em in the draft, so there.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

via twitter:

ProFootballTalkif you can't access PFT today, check out profootballtalk.sportingnews.com . .

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

what are you hearing Cindy? What are the smoke signals saying?

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

nfl live is in fact live at 12:18 on espn...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

AND we had a few nickels left over so we could sign Shaun Alexander, which was totally awesome.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, PFT is a good site, but it's been down at least 5 times in the least week.

Whoever handles that dude's web hosting sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 27, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's here, folks. Free agency is officially underway. We've been working the phones all evening. Here's the latest on what the Redskins are doing.

It looks like midnight has arrived on the East Coast without a deal for cornerback DeAngelo Hall. It also looks like the Redskins will attempt to sign free-agent guard Derrick Dockery, who was unexpectedly released by the Bills on Thursday.

Dockery is a former third-round pick by the Redskins and he still has a lot of fans within the organization. He could immediately help solidify an offensive line that showed cracks in the second half of the 2008 season.

With veteran guards Pete Kendall and Randy Thomas fighting through injuries, Dockery could be a huge help. He's remained close to former first-round pick Chris Samuels and the two would be the team's top linemen.

Much, much more to come.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

There's kind of a loopy quality to a wine buzz, I find. It's very different from beer. Not that that will come as earth-shattering news to any of you. But there it is.

I'm hoping the Skins re-sign Hall and sign Canty and Dockery. (This Willis kid would be icing on the cake.) Good golly, that combination of things would make me feel awfully good going into the draft.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

via twitter:

ProFootballTalkto be posted momentarily on PFT or PFT-on-SN . . . deangelo hall re-signs with skins for 6 years, 54M, with 22.5M guaranteed . . .

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I guess Ill check back in 15 mins

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

seriously? hall is resigned?

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 27, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if we can nail Dockery and Brown (and maybe Willis) that we can address our entire OL by the end of the third round. Maybe we could pick up Max Unger to develop into taking over for Rabach. Either make sure Willis is the real deal or get a stud RT through the draft-- O-Line is solved.

But that's gonna cost us some money-- we need to solidify our DL, DB, and LBs. Getting Haynesworth and/or Canty means we simply can't also keep Carter, Taylor, Griffin, Daniels, Monty, Golston, and Evans (plus Wilson and Jackson)-- clearly someone's gotta go. And we won't be able to keep Springs and Hall either, if we fill out our O-Line in FA.

Butttt, if we do-- it looks like we can address LB, CB, and OL with our 4 picks highly successfully if we can sign Dock, Brown, Willis, Haynesworth, and Canty.


If we get Haynesworth and/or Canty, what happens

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 27, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Yes on DHall!!!!!!!!!!! One Big Fat one to go!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Thats good news cL

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

mrskin...the action on pft is crashing backup server at sporting news too

ProFootballTalkPFT Planet is bogging down the servers at sportingnews.com . . .

Posted by: chrislarry | February 27, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth's phone blowing up?

February 27, 2009 12:15 AM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

ESPN's John Clayton just reported on SportsCenter that Titans unrestricted free-agent defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is fielding more calls than expected. That might make it tougher for the Redskins to get something done. The Bucs have a lot more room under the cap than the Redskins.

I just talked to someone in the Redskins organization who said nothing's close to happening -- in the first 12 minutes of free agency! Last year, the Dolphins waited at least 30 minutes to sign the first player of free agency. I think teams want to wait at least an hour so the tampering that goes on (shhhhh!) won't be so obvious.

An NFL Live free agency special begins in three minutes if you're interested.


Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 27, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

No matter what happens over the next few days or weeks just be glad we aren't trying to sign Manny Ramirez!

Posted by: will_ga | February 27, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Dockery is a quality pick up, but I also think we should go after Brandon Moore who was just released by the Jets. He's young and a starter.

Posted by: DCNative81 | February 27, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 27, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so we have Hall-- let's cut Springs, Griffin, and Jason Taylor so we can grab Dockery, Willis, Canty, and/or Haynesworth!!!

Posted by: TDawg1 | February 27, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Beep...Beep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 27, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

We now have Hall, and Albert Haynesworth, a deal was struck within the last hour according to Mike & Mike in the morning, now lets get the O LINE upgraded.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 27, 2009 6:19 AM | Report abuse

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