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Miscast with Skins, Taylor Moves to Next Role

Jason Reid writes:

It seems Jason Taylor finally had enough. After changing positions (there really is a difference in playing right end or left end), trying to fit into a scheme that clearly didn't fit his skills and not meshing well with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, according to team sources, Taylor, who makes his year-round home in Miami, balked at owner Daniel Snyder's request to participate in the team's offseason workout program and was released today.

This was a bad fit from the beginning. The Redskins were in need of a starting-caliber defensive end when Phillip Daniels went down with a season-ending knee injury on the first day of training camp last July, and Taylor was available, having been put on the trading block by Bill Parcells.

Parcells, just starting as Miami's executive vice president of football operations, was displeased that Taylor decided to spend much of the previous offseason participating on "Dancing With The Stars" in Los Angeles instead of being with the team in Miami. To be sure, Taylor was one of the league's top defensive players in an 11-year career with the Dolphins, but the Dolphins and Redskins do not have similar defensive schemes.

Taylor, whose weight during the season drops under 240 pounds, was miscast from the start trying to stuff the run. He did not have the freedom to rush the quarterback as he did with the Dolphins, sprained his right knee in a preseason game and twice underwent surgery on his left calf to relieve acute compartment syndrome, a buildup of pressure on muscle groups.

The Redskins gave up a second-round pick in April's draft and a sixth-round pick in 2010 for Taylor. Hoping to improve Taylor's productivity rushing the passer, the Redskins had discussed using Taylor as a linebacker this season. Now, Taylor is free to sign elsewhere as an unrestricted free agent, and the Redskins, who have only four picks in the April draft, will watch Miami use a second-round pick that they could use, especially after their 2-6 second-half slide last season.

Whenever I spoke with Taylor last season, I got the sense that he could not have been any unhappier with the Redskins. I know he missed his family in Miami, but there was something bigger going on with him. He's clearly a bright guy, several of his teammates said, and he realized early on there were problems with the organization that he did not realize at the time of the trade.

Can Taylor still play? I don't know. Taylor told me he just needed to be in the right system again, and his agent, Gary Wichard, said Taylor was working hard to have a successful comeback season with the Redskins. Presumably, Taylor has even more incentive to come back strong after being released by the Redskins. Or, of course, he can move on to the next phase of his working life.

For Washington, the game of fantasy football continues. Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is the latest high-profile player to be lured to Washington and Snyder's strategy of buying star-power someday could result in a Super Bowl appearance. For now, however, it looks like it could be the same old story with this franchise.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 2, 2009; 8:57 PM ET
 
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Comments

I simply don't agree with this negative analysis!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

i could care less about Taylor! I am more concerned with yet another second round draft pick basically being given away for NOTHING!

Cerrato has to be using his ninth life.

Posted by: oknow1 | March 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor cost us too much and never delivered. I'm happy he's off the team.

Posted by: Addicted | March 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I think I repeated it about 30 times up here. Jason Taylor is going to be seriously considered for the HOF -- for playing RDE. He's really really really good at it. But the Skins refused to move Carter and let Taylor do what he does best.

Still, $8.5 million is the real issue here, no matter what anyone says.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I have not been a big fan of the FO...that being said...I like everything that the FO has done so far this off season. I wanted AH from the start...finally a way to pressure the QB. Cutting Taylor and his 8M allows us to get someone better/faster for DE and LB. I wanted to cut Springs last off season...dude is old and only real good for 1 or 2 games a year (not to mention he likes to bed down with TO when he goes to Dallas. Hall was awesome this year (unlike Rogers...he gets interceptions). Cutting Washington had to be done. PLEASE REMEMBER WE HAD THE 4TH BEST D IN THE NFL THIS SEASON. WHO PUT THE D TOGETHER...HMMM! The analysts I have seen (like Shecter and Clayton) report that AH/Hall upgrade this team. Getting Dock back was a good move. I am way more excited this year than last.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 2, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Finally! Bad move that seemed good when we lost two ends in a practice session. I know AH is a risk, but he should fit in our scheme so much better than JT ever did, and is about 5 years younger. We'll see how it works out. I'd love for the skins to resign evans for the first two downs, and either grab a DE in the draft or use our young speed rushers (wilson, buzbee, etc) for passing situations. 8 mil can get us some good depth on both lines. Hail!

Posted by: DCinSD | March 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

JT should have already been cut, screw him. And JR just continues the crap, how about the positive, the Skins cut the guy rather than continuing to try to make it work. JT WAS a bad fit here, at the time, I didn't like it, but I understood it. In hindsight, obviously, it was a terrible move.

It's time to move on, there's more to do for the Skins.

Posted by: craig2 | March 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I love the Skins, but until we overhaul the OL we will remain mediocre and the little confidence that JC has will be sacked away.

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is the 3rd aging vet who spent 2008 battling injuries while making big $$ to get tossed, after Springs and Marcus.

Make no mistake -- 2009 is Vinny's last year to show something. There are a bunch of coaches with rings out there (Dungy, Holmgren, Shananhan, Gruden, Cowher) and none of which would want Vinny as their boss.

So Vinny needs to make things work in 2009. Keeping Taylor at $8.5 million makes no sense (Taylor will get a couple mil + incentives somewhere else, like NE).

I could see Vinny being torn, knowing that a healthy Taylor might take this team to another level with Albert on the same line, but also knowing that it'd be impossible to justify another $8.5 million if Taylor played like an ordinary DE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

JT should have already been cut, screw him. And JR just continues the crap, how about the positive, the Skins cut the guy rather than continuing to try to make it work. JT WAS a bad fit here, at the time, I didn't like it, but I understood it. In hindsight, obviously, it was a terrible move.

It's time to move on, there's more to do for the Skins.

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I with you...time to stop the negativity...no doubt the team has made some blunders in the past...but there is much reason to look forward to the future!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

People who bash JLC and his negativity - Jason Reid's posts/blogs are always MUCH more negative.

Lets see if we get as many people crying about this one.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Its Fantasy football ... NOT VINNIE ... he is way too conservative ... he is almost a clone of JBow with the Nats in some respects.

No this is all Snyder (our old pal Snidely Owl) the true GM of this team. Trading for a player who clearly did not fit into a 4-3. It is also clear that Andre Carter does not fit.

Finally they do sign an end in Haynesworth who really does fit as a DE in the 4-3. Definitely. However, how much will he actually play? And when he doesn't who "fills in"? I believe he will end up playing more end while the "Mike" DT Griffin and Golston, Alexander fill in with depth and the other tackle position. I believe it may now be possible that we will see Montgomery at end perhaps replacing Carter on some downs. From a Blache coaching philosophy this only makes sense.

Moving Carter to linebacker. He did not like that role in the past with SF. So, perhaps they find a way to trade him for picks? It really makes sense for them to just throw themselves completely into the tried-and-true 4-3 model as coached by Greg Blache.

Linebacker is now the position of need on the defense. As is cornerback. Can we rely on Hall now that he is signed for big bucks? Given his history? We may find that we will all regret losing the "character" of a Shawn Springs. If they stick Smoot and Rogers out there with Kareem Moore or Justin Tryon trying to help out.


Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

PUH-LEEEZ, Taylor was NEVER on the field long enough for it to matter whether he was on right side or left!

"Taylor, who makes his year-round home in Miami, balked at owner Daniel Snyder's request to participate in the team's off-season workout program..."

You hear that and all you can say is Good Riddance!

In two weeks he's going to be RETIRED!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

This post is very insightful about Taylor.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"I know he missed his family in Miami, but there was something bigger going on with him. He's clearly a bright guy, several of his teammates said, and he realized early on there were problems with the organization that he did not realize at the time of the trade."


I'd love to know if this came from anywhere other than your own rear end?

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I think J Reid has been hanging out with the tubby dork too much.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what kind of $$$ Houshmandzadeh wants ... gotta need there and some cap room ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"Taylor is the 3rd aging vet who spent 2008 battling injuries while making big $$ to get tossed, after Springs and Marcus.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009"

There is one thing everyone should be overjoyed about it. One of the major complaints on the RI blog starting with the Jasons.

THIS TEAM has gotten significantly YOUNGER!!!

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

TITANS TO PURSUE TAMPERING CHARGES AGAINST REDSKINS?
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 9:25 p.m.
In the press conference introducing newly-signed receiver Nate Washington and defensive tackle Jovan Haye, Titans G.M. Mike Reindfeldt fielded a question as to whether the Titans might pursue tampering allegations against the Redskins regarding the signing of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

“Yeah, I mean that’s something at some point that’s kind of . . . . We were interested in signing Albert,” Reinfeldt said. “We tried to sign him and unfortunately it didn’t work out. It’s always something we can address with the league, but at this point in time we’re more focused on the two gentlemen here today, quite honestly.”

Hmmm.

It’s an open secret that NFL teams talk with the agents of players who are not yet free agents. Few teams ever complain because most teams are guilty of it.

In this case, the Titans might do it. Stay tuned.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Why does JLC even write for the REDSKINS INSIDER when he gets trumped on story after story at least 4-8 hours by every other news outlet.

JLC and his negative ninny ramblings are as insider as arrington is now

Pack it in JLC you are a HACK!

Posted by: goosedude | March 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The question is who is next on the FA board for Snidely? That will determine who they select in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Too bad, that's the sort of situation that can sometimes lead to a big one-season turnaround. Miss the 2nd rounder, of course, but I also recall there was a lot of positive pub around that trade last season, after Daniels went down. A gamble that didn't work out.

Better to have the $8 mil back, I suppose.

If you don't gamble, you can't win (or lose -- they always leave that part out).

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what kind of $$$ Houshmandzadeh wants ... gotta need there and some cap room ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:25 PM |

The Housh signed with seattle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

We lose another pick in compensation to the Titans ... yeesssh.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

goosedude - It was stated a few posts ago that JLC is on something of a break. The last few threads haven't even been his.

I mean, I know its his job to be here for you 24/7/365 and never take a break, but maybe you could give him one.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Albert at DE? NO. Where was he the best player in NFL last year? At DT.

Put Albert at his best position and stop thinking so hard.

And everyone should know that there was no way the Skins could rationalize keeping JT at $8.5million. That'll be at least $5 million more than anyone else will guarantee.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Can we start some sort of federal investigation into Vinny and then have him "resign" too? Pretty please?

Posted by: rucks35 | March 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"I believe he will end up playing more end while the "Mike" DT Griffin and Golston,..."

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"Mike" DT?

Haynesworth and Montgomery as Ends?

C'mon people! Planet Earth, come back to it! Your go hit your head on a derelict Russian satellite!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

DE Haynesworth, Montgomery, Carter, Daniels or Evans, Jackson, Wilson.

DT Griffin, Golston, Alexander

This looks rather weak at this point.
OLB McIntosh, Smith.

MLB Fletcher, Blades, Sinclair

This is shaky:
CB Hall, Rogers, Smoot, Tryon, Westbrook

S Landry, Horton, Doughty, Moore

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

" 'Mike' DT?

Haynesworth and Montgomery as Ends?

C'mon people! Planet Earth, come back to it! Your go hit your head on a derelict Russian satellite!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AN IDIOT. Another grammar school type. Go play in the snow kid.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

What is worse? Trading a draft pick for a bust like JT or breaking the bank for a bust like Arch? Both are penal - cap v. picks.

Posted by: rbdsmittydc | March 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Rumors are that the Skins will trade the 13th pick to carolina for J. Peppers. You heard it here first!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" DT?

Haynesworth and Montgomery as Ends?

C'mon people! Planet Earth, come back to it! Your go hit your head on a derelict Russian satellite!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:33 PM

Come on man. You gotta know that this is coming from a middle schooler with no football knowledge whatsoever. ITA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Can you enlighten us as to the problems with the organization that Taylor uncovered that he did not know about at the time of the trade? If you are going to speculate on something like that you should give a little further detail than some blanket statement.

Taylor and the Skins were just a match made in hell. We should have cut him sooner and tried to sign Jason Brown. He could have started from the get go for either Randy Thomas or Rabach. Whoever sucked more.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Rumors are that the Skins will trade the 13th pick to carolina for J. Peppers. You heard it here first!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

And everyone should know that there was no way the Skins could rationalize keeping JT at $8.5million. That'll be at least $5 million more than anyone else will guarantee.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Taylor is a fool!

$8.5 million guaranteed! Just to Show up!

Now, if he doesn't retire, he'll get very little guaranteed money and even the most incentive laden contract won't get him close to the $8.5 mil mark.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

With all of the rushing around over at the Post by the RI folks who can't say "I told you so" fast enough or just plain enough...might any of them accidentally trip over a fax or priting from another NFL team blog that might possibly indicate what the Skins are looking to do with the extra cap space now that JT is gone?

Even a simple: no visits scheduled or planned would be better than this overexuberant flogging of the FO over this Taylor deal. Leigh Torrence's dead horse even called and said enough is enough on JT...move on!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Rumors are that the Skins will trade the 13th pick to carolina for J. Peppers. You heard it here first!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | March 2, 2009"

Its not going to happen. Peppers wants to play in 3-4.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

@ goosedude

Did you notice who filed this report? If you're going to slam someone, at least make sure it's the person's post. I wonder who seems more like a hack now?

Posted by: CDon | March 2, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" DT?

Haynesworth and Montgomery as Ends?

C'mon people! Planet Earth, come back to it! Your go hit your head on a derelict Russian satellite!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:33 PM

Come on man. You gotta know that this is coming from a middle schooler with no football knowledge whatsoever. ITA.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse


You mean "Mike" Schooler with no football knowledge whatsoever! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

They need a linebacker like Terrell Suggs not a Defensive End like Julius Peppers.

They may go for Suggs through a trade. That may be possible. And it does sound like Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"You mean "Mike" Schooler with no football knowledge whatsoever! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

I think he was referring to you, kid. Go away and play in traffic.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I personally feel deprived of any recent Leigh Torrence updates. My guess is that him and Jasno are spending spring break somewhere.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Now it's hallucinations... what a phucing blithering idiot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence is helping TD (tubby dork) move into his new 2 room shanty.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" refers to the primary defensive tackle who is responsible for stopping the run. That is Griffin. In this case Griffin is also the better pass rusher. Montgomery and Golston are the DT or three-tech.

There is also a "Mike" linebacker. That is the Middle linebacker. You use this term as oppose to "nose tackle" which is used to describe the single tackle in the 3-4.

Now go stand on your head and spit nickels like a good little boy.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I think he was referring to you, kid. Go away and play in traffic.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:48 PM |

Why don't you shut your phuking retarded no brained yapper and go back to jacking off in your grandma's panties you waste of air.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Now it's hallucinations... what a phucing blithering idiot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

Scramblebrains ITA are you looking for another round? You just don't have the brainpower dude. Give up now ... ~laughing~ I was sparring on alt.flame before you even knew there was an internet.

Go play with yourself ... :)

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Chalk up another stupid move by Danny and Vinny. The essential problem here is their delusion that the team is only 1 or 2 players away, their inability to look beyond the upcoming season and their inability to blend talent to the talent they have on the team and the system they run. These two are just fantasy football guys.

Posted by: tvmccarron | March 2, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Dude, you hide out in your daddies bathroom looking at gay porn while waiting for your mommy to bathe you. You are the single biggest d bag ever to haunt this blog and every time you type something you prove that you don't know what the he77 you are talking about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

JR, Okay now that you are spilling the beans on JT's unhappiness break the bank and tell us who else is not happy so that we can give you the credit.

Posted by: phatem | March 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"Now it's hallucinations... what a phucing blithering idiot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

You pencil headed, gay boyz favorite tree knot; you blustering imbecilic sheep lover ...

FLAME ON!!!!

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

+++I have not been a big fan of the FO...that being said...I like everything that the FO has done so far this off season.+++---REDLOTPARTY

You may be new around here and hence unfamiliar with the fact that the FO ALWAYS does great in the offseason. This Euphoria lasts until the actual season.

I agree. This is beginning to look like one of their best offseaons's ever!!! I really plan to enjoy it until, y'know, September.


Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, you hide out in your daddies bathroom looking at gay porn while waiting for your mommy to bathe you. You are the single biggest d bag ever to haunt this blog and every time you type something you prove that you don't know what the he77 you are talking about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

You're projecting dude. I am sure you hang out waiting for all the gay boyz in Kalorama. Heard you wait in public men's room, heard you are really big on "coming back from behind" .. ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

You sure do flame on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

from PFT twitter feed:

ProFootballTalk derrick ward signs with bucs . .

good move, glad he is out of the division.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Why does it not surprise me that you write things like smiles after your comments? Typical 3rd grade stuff. And although I'm not sure what Kalorama is you seem to know it well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who believe Vinny is running out of time, think again. He neither is on his last legs nor in jeopardy of losing his job.

He and Daniel M. Snyder are into this franchise for the buck, skinning fans (like me, and like you) for every last dollar. From 400% increases in parking fees, to allowing hoodlums in the parking lot to refusing long-time season ticket holders the option to upgrade their own seats, Snyder and Vinnie are fleecing this once-proud (but no longer) franchise to the bone.

They both feel the more suckers they continue to draw - be it through bogus ticket schemes, or overpriced jerseys, to extortion-laden requirements to purchase pre-season games - the more it adds up to one thing for Snyder, his own bottom line.

You'd never see a Rooney, a George Young, or a Bill Polian run his front-office in such a manner.

Once, twice, three times. How many instances of free-agent, off-season signings that mortgage away this team's future do we need to witness to understand that being a Redskin fan will always cause us heartache; suppose the older fans know this more than our younger brethren in burgundy and gold, but they'll learn.

I feel sad, actually. Because it's now been 10 years since this moron and his sidekick have laid waste on the Washington Redskins. And I take the Washington Post to task for not once raising this issue of Vinny Cerrato's job security -- most particularly after Vinnie (the irony of which was lost on him after the season ended) had the temerity to speak to first-time head coach Jim Zorn's job security.

For Vinnie to question someone else's job status after being nothing more than a mediocre official here and elsewhere speaks to one thing: That he has the backing from the man who'll never let him leave: Dan Snyder.

J. La Canfora: We read you regularly, as you know. At the conclusion of this season, I urge you to write THAT article, and pose THAT question: Ask not what the future holds for the players, but rather what the future holds for a man who's corrupted this proud organization to its very core.


Posted by: nyreeds | March 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

wow this has to be one of the lamest fights in RI history....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"now what the he77 you are talking about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

Scramblebrains the red finned gay boy had a very shiny fin. And if you ever saw it it would even make you grin. All of the gay tunas and swordfish used to laugh and call you names. They never let poor scrambly brains join in any gay boyz games. Then one foggy Sargasso Sea, Gay Poseidon came to say, scramble with your fin so bright won't you guide my seahorrrrrseeey tonight! Then how the gay boyz loved you as they shouted out with glee ... Scrambly brain the red finned gay boy you'll be reamed with listerine.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"You mean "Mike" Schooler with no football knowledge whatsoever! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

I think he was referring to you, kid. Go away and play in traffic.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

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BWahahahahahaha! No Loser, He's talking to you because you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL!!!

The more you talk the more you prove the point that you know nothing of which you speak!

ROFLMAO you should go to bed, your mom is going to be mad your up this late!


......"Mike" DT......BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHA....I.....can't..........stop......LAUGHING!!!!!!!!


Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"Why does it not surprise me that you write things like smiles after your comments? Typical 3rd grade stuff. And although I'm not sure what Kalorama is you seem to know it well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

Harvey Milk wants to recruit you when you come out of the closet.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

wow this has to be one of the lamest fights in RI history....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:03 PM

Thanks buddy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"......"Mike" DT......BWAHAHAHAHA BWAHAHAHAHA....I.....can't..........stop......LAUGHING!!!!!!!!


Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

Go suck on you passifier now dude.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

no problem, s-camp. You guys earned it!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"wow this has to be one of the lamest fights in RI history....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:03 PM

Thanks buddy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009"

I thought the last one was CL? ~laughing~

This blog is filled with miscreants and morons. Makes it easy ... sigh ... too easy.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

JT55 needed to go. How it went down is irrelevant. Now we can get back to the business of actually building this team.

And so far JReid sounds like he's been hanging with JLa a little too much, but I'm prepared to give some slack.

One thing I'm going to call him out on is this: If you felt like JT55 has been SOOOOO unhapy here from the get-go, then why didn't you have the stones to put that up on this blog before? Why did you wait until after he was released to say it?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

+++...time to stop the negativity...no doubt the team has made some blunders in the past...but there is much reason to look forward to the future!

Posted by: redlotparty+++


Us Negative Nancys are a simple people, really. Our demands are few. All we ask is the Front Office stop making bad decisions and start making good ones, or conversely, get some NEW FO People who will.

Honest, you won't believe how fast the negativism will dissipate.

But you've got the cart before the horse. This bunch has had a dozen or so years to lose our faith. They have lost our trust again and again. They must EARN it back. No more blind faith.

And frankly, I don't understand where the naivete comes from of those who say "trust the FO tho they've always failed you before."

This is why so many of us Glass Half Empty Types take the conspiratorial approach, that those who beg our indulgence actually ARE the Front Office, or their Hod Carriers themselves.

We are pragmatists, that's all. We're fans, but not idiots.

And look at it this way,. If and when the FO DOES turn things around, think how much fun you can have calling us Hypocrites?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I must admit, pretty lame, but I've seen worse on here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" refers to the primary defensive tackle who is responsible for stopping the run. That is Griffin. In this case Griffin is also the better pass rusher. Montgomery and Golston are the DT or three-tech.

There is also a "Mike" linebacker. That is the Middle linebacker. You use this term as oppose to "nose tackle" which is used to describe the single tackle in the 3-4.

Now go stand on your head and spit nickels like a good little boy.

Posted by: periculum

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There is no such thing as a "Mike" defensive tackle. "Mike" only refers to the middle linebacker. It's a word designation that replaces the letter "M" (for middle). The other linebackers are "SAM" (for strongside) and "Will" (for weakside).

You just conjured up "Mike" DT out of nowhere. There is a "0 technique" (also known as the nose tackle, or NT, lined up directly over the center), a "1 technique" (lined up in-between the center and guard), a "2 technique" (lined up directly over the guard), a "3 technique" (lined up between the guard and tackle, shaded towards the guard), and a "4 technique" (lined up directly over the tackle), and a "5 techinque" (lined up outside the tackle). There's also the designation "i" which denotes inside shading of the 2 or 4 techniques. There's also the designation of the "A" and "B" gaps, but there certainly is no "Mike" DT. I have no idea where you fathomed that.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

while the end of this post was really negative, its kind of hard to look at anything other than JT's departure positively. It was a knee-jerk reaction to an injury (and please everyone stop saying it was two injuries, Buzbee was going to be lucky to make the team) and an overreaction. But this offseason so far they are 3 for 3 and now we have money to get more pieces that will be around a lot longer than Taylor would have been anyway. Chuck it in the loss column and move on....we're building something potentially special if they use the space to plug the rest of the holes, we're in better shape without him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

"And look at it this way,. If and when the FO DOES turn things around, think how much fun you can have calling us Hypocrites?

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009"

One must admit the one good thing is that they have succeeded in making this team a great deal younger.

Ancillary to that there are some big question marks looming over their signings. Especially relative to the character issue.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

Read some of those articles (paper not blog) from end of season and it was pretty clear JT was unhappy.

I thought this post summed it up quite well. I think the FO shot was weird. I actually think it was more the coaches/scheme he didn't like. But also I don't think JT thinks this team is doing anything close to making a run for playoffs and he would rather finish his career with a team that is contending. He prolly plays with the Pats now for around 3-4 mil.

Like always the only way Skins can prove him, and the army of others wrong is to win.

Bottom line was JT wanted out. They could have asked to sign a clause that said he was to refrain from beating his kids and he would have refused.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"You just conjured up "Mike" DT out of nowhere. There is a "0 technique" (also known as the nose tackle, or NT, lined up directly over the center), a "1 technique" (lined up in-between the center and guard), a "2 technique" (lined up directly over the guard), a "3 technique" (lined up between the guard and tackle, shaded towards the guard), and a "4 technique" (lined up directly over the tackle), and a "5 techinque" (lined up outside the tackle). There's also the designation "i" which denotes inside shading of the 2 or 4 techniques. There's also the designation of the "A" and "B" gaps, but there certainly is no "Mike" DT. I have no idea where you fathomed that."

I've seen it used in conjunction with Blache's system and I think it refers to tackles who both the best at rushing the passer and stopping the run. I did not conjure it up.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll have to hang up my J. Taylor jersey...next to my C. Banks, A. Noga, D. Stubblefield, D. Wilkinson, B. Smith, D. Sanders, M. Carrier, B. Lloyd and A. Archuleta jerseys.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey MrRedskin21.

You enjoying the Periculum/Scampbell dustup, too?

Freaking Amateurs.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

scamp I said "one of"

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

...to extortion-laden requirements to purchase pre-season games - the more it adds up to one thing for Snyder, his own bottom line.
Posted by: nyreeds | March 2, 2009 10:02 PM

They all do this not just the Redskins. Just wanted to point that out feel free to continue with the vitriol.

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

yo jacky-Z you see your boy Ward signed with Bucs (as I predicted)?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yea corky, the one we had was sooo much better. If I recall you were telling me that I was an internet tough guy while hiding behind your own keyboard. Oddly you have since augmented your screen name.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Derrick Ward signed for 4 years 17 million, that would have been a steal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Haynesworth aint a DE. He lines up their occasionally/situationally but make no mistake, he's a DT. I can't even believe we're talking about that.

I highly doubt we'll trade for Peppers. WHy would you trade for a disgruntled 29 yr old DE (a beast, granted) who makes what $13 million a year, wants to play in a 3-4, when you can draft a guy 7-8 yrs younger, sign him for 5-6 yrs for maybe a third of the annual salary. Oh wait....I forgot who our GM is...yea, this probably will happen.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ancillary to that there are some big question marks looming over their signings. Especially relative to the character issue.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

MY biggest concern is how we're going to fill our need for a "Mike" DT! ~smiles~

Hopefully we can sign Matt Birk to be our new "Mike" Offensive Guard!

...and from now on I think when Landry plays Cover 1 we should call him our "Mike" Safety!

I like the Haynesworth signing because it keeps teams from running up the "Mike" on us!!


Maybe the Lakers can trade for Shaq so he can be their "Mike" Forward again!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

There is no such thing as a "Mike" defensive tackle. "Mike" only refers to the middle linebacker. It's a word designation that replaces the letter "M" (for middle). The other linebackers are "SAM" (for strongside) and "Will" (for weakside).

You just conjured up "Mike" DT out of nowhere. There is a "0 technique" (also known as the nose tackle, or NT, lined up directly over the center), a "1 technique" (lined up in-between the center and guard), a "2 technique" (lined up directly over the guard), a "3 technique" (lined up between the guard and tackle, shaded towards the guard), and a "4 technique" (lined up directly over the tackle), and a "5 techinque" (lined up outside the tackle). There's also the designation "i" which denotes inside shading of the 2 or 4 techniques. There's also the designation of the "A" and "B" gaps, but there certainly is no "Mike" DT. I have no idea where you fathomed that.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse


Extremely well said. Hillarious. And completely correct.

Let's work on conjuring other wild notions such as the one that someone from the Post will actually get off this "I told you so" rant and let us know if there might be anything going on to fill the newly acquired cap space.

All together now...

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"They all do this not just the Redskins. Just wanted to point that out feel free to continue with the vitriol.

Posted by: will_ga | March 2, 2009"

For our next feat, a diatribe relative to the pro's and con's of the 4-3 versus the 3-4 plus cover 2.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

They're all pretty lame. Anyone calling names from behind a keyboard is pretty sad (yes I'm including myself in this description.) I'm almost embarrassed. Almost

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

This Skins need a GM -- that's the bottom-line.

As far as those folks saying "good riddance" -- it's "good riddance" to an unproductive front-office move LAST year and THIS year. Something that has happened way too many times with this organization over the past decade.

The joke is on the Skins here. They probably could have moved Taylor and his salary for a lot less than a 2nd and a 6th last season. Odds are that they could have done this for a 3rd or 4th since Parcell's was anxious to unload a malcontent and a bad contract.

Instead, they make a move last year that does nothing to advance this organization forward.

One of those picks should be a guaranteed front-line starter -- at least for an organization that knows how to draft.

The 6th could turn into a useful role player for a team like Miami, which has a player personnel guy with a track record.

The upshot here is that the ownership is willing to pay through the nose to get .500ish football, and fans are willing to pay through the nose for .500ish football, meanwhile Miami, which made the playoffs last year in a stunning turnaround, gets at least one front-line starter who can help them in 2009-10, a potential second vital role player, and some extra cap space. So I guess everyone has cause to be happy.

Btw, well written post -- good analysis. Not the pleasant truth, but there it is.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

+++One must admit the one good thing is that they have succeeded in making this team a great deal younger.

Ancillary to that there are some big question marks looming over their signings. Especially relative to the character issue.

Posted by: periculum ++

Well that's a need, to be sure. The team has been aging badly and not gracefully.

Still five twenty-somethings in the first four rounds who can barely get on the field isn't necessarilly an upgrade.

But the new moves look positive in that regard, albeit costly.

As a pass rusher, Hayneswort is 8 or so years younger than Taylor.

Ditto for CB Hall vs. Springs.

And Dockery is almost that at guard over Achy-Breaky Knees.

But then I see teh Giants got THREE guys at DL/LB, and as Sapp and Co. were saying tonight, linemen get hurt.

Also, I'm not sold on Hall. He's sold out two teams, so far, adn I don't see a change of spots, coming. BUT with a good pass rush, he'll benefit.

I like Hickery Dickery Dockery.


Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe the Lakers can trade for Shaq so he can be their "Mike" Forward again!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

Maybe you can make some film cheese that snorts out of your nose.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,

Read some of those articles (paper not blog) from end of season and it was pretty clear JT was unhappy.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I have no concern as to JT's emotional perception of the team/organization.

What I want from Reid is for him to sound off and be an "Insider" who's got a pair.

Frankly, I don't think the FO really wanted JT55. He was obviously a disaster in this scheme and injury-plagued. But instead of releasing him outright (and admitting how bad they blew it), they could save some face by fudging this new "clause" into the mix (something they HAD to know he wouldn't like) and bait him to walk on his own accord.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll have to hang up my J. Taylor jersey...next to my C. Banks, A. Noga, D. Stubblefield, D. Wilkinson, B. Smith, D. Sanders, M. Carrier, B. Lloyd and A. Archuleta jerseys.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

don't forget your T. Canidate, C. Morton, J. Hall, J. George, D. Fiore, and L. Coles jerseys

Posted by: dadanimal | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

F Taylor,


I would be happier if they didn't give up a 2 and 6 for this guy. Good thing Chicken Little decided enough was enough. Now, once they cut Portis, I will be very happy. For 8.5 million, my wife and kids would be glad to see me away. Go back to salsa dancing....or maybe the Rock needs a body double.

Posted by: duh2mag | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Extremely well said. Hillarious. And completely correct.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | March 2, 2009"

I agree it was correct.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

zjfr, why pay that kinda money for a good RB when we can thrw $50 million at an older, less talented one?? I'm not referring to any specific player but I'm confident that Vinny and Danielle can find one.

I like the pluck and positivism of whomever thinks Vinny is on his last life but vased on history I do not share your optimism..

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

If we make a trade for Peppers, I will break my cease-fire on the FO that I agreed to after the Dockery signing...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"I like Hickery Dickery Dockery.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009"

Rated as one of the top 3 guards in FA. Can't complain there and it did address a glaring need.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

+++They're all pretty lame. Anyone calling names from behind a keyboard is pretty sad (yes I'm including myself in this description.) I'm almost embarrassed. Almost

Posted by: scampbell1975+++

Me, too. Someone is gonna do a study--if they havent' already--comparing the rage that emits against anonymous posters on the internet and Road Rage.

We see screen names, not the humans behind them, just like we see cars, not drivers, and that's sad. Can't be a damn bit of good for society, either.

Of course, one advantages is there's a lot fewer instances of someone drawing his 9 mm and firing away at the guy who dissed him.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

...oh, and I forgot to mention - GO TERPS!

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"If we make a trade for Peppers, I will break my cease-fire on the FO that I agreed to after the Dockery signing...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009"

The guy came out and said he wants to be in a 3-4. If anything the signing of Haynesworth and the release of Taylor seems to indicate they are going to become even more a traditional 4-3.

Peppers makes about as much sense as Taylor after what he purportedly said in this article.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

First of all, Haynesworth aint a DE. He lines up their occasionally/situationally but make no mistake, he's a DT. I can't even believe we're talking about that.

I highly doubt we'll trade for Peppers. WHy would you trade for a disgruntled 29 yr old DE (a beast, granted) who makes what $13 million a year, wants to play in a 3-4, when you can draft a guy 7-8 yrs younger, sign him for 5-6 yrs for maybe a third of the annual salary. Oh wait....I forgot who our GM is...yea, this probably will happen.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse
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You forgot one part. The Skins would never make that Peppers trade without throwing in a 1st and 3rd rounder this year; with a conditional 1st or 2nd for next year as a bonus.

Imagine if this team had gotten what it wanted last year with Taylor AND Chad Johnson. Fortunately for the Skins dangled that deal in front of the Bungles.

I'll give Vinny some credit -- Chris Horton turned out to be a great late round selection.

But you've gotta have a better hit and miss ratio than this team has had.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

+++If we make a trade for Peppers, I will break my cease-fire on the FO that I agreed to after the Dockery signing...

Posted by: p1funk__

Funk--

On the NFL channel they were speculating that the Pats have the inside track on him.

If YOU were Peppers, who would you pick? I think Peppers probably picks a Patriot Position.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, one advantages is there's a lot fewer instances of someone drawing his 9 mm and firing away at the guy who dissed him.

Posted by: TheCork | March 2, 2009"

Don't even go there. The sniper was hyperfocused on my neighborhood. Sheesh they had to turn the satellites to get that guy. Thought he might be the "T" word.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

agreed. can we afford to take Orakapo at 13? Do we put faith that Heyer (GO TERPS) can get it done? Sign a f/a? Give Jansen one more try?

Right now I'd still lean OT at the 13th pick - it's simply a bigger need. If we can't keep JC upright, it won't matter how good our defense is, or if Kelly, Thomas, Davis develop this year. Our defense wasn't great last year but we added a huge piece on the D-line. It's time to make O-line the top priority. Give me Andre Smith, Justin Smith, Michael Oher

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I must admit, nothing would shock me regarding the rest of the offseason -- even trading for Julius Peppers. Snyder is doing everything in his power for a 2-year run, and the relief provided by Taylor is more than enough room to fit Peppers under the cap for this season, even at another astronomical $100 million contract.

Another dark horse to watch out for -- if Orlando Pace gets cut from the Rams. Rumors have it that it's likely to happen (along with Holt), and he would be an immediate upgrade and possible 2-year run solution for Snyder.

Still, that's far from likely to happen. I'm hoping for bringing in Demetric Evans and Angelo Crowell, then leaving a little breathing room for whatever unexpected events arise during the offseason/regular season. The Skins would then gamble on having one of the top 4 tackles fall to 13 in the draft, snatch him up, then use 3/5/6 for depth along the OL, DL, and LB.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

By calculations the Skins need at least:

1 starting DE and probably a backup.

1 starting Strongside LB and resigning Khary Campbell.

1 starting RT.

1 starting punter.

1 reserve CB and 1 reserve safety who can push for a starting job.

Therefore do we have enough cap space to sign:

DE Igor Olshansky
LB Eric Barton
LB Khary Campbell
S Mike Brown
CB Jabari Greer
RT Ray Willis
P Hunter Smith

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

They need Suggs not Peppers. Danny and Vinnie are more likely hatching some scheme to get him away from the Ravens ...

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

p1funk....i agree basically on the FO view of taylor, but still think taylor was gonna refuse anything they said.

the damage is done with picks, lets hope they spend the cap money wisely.

from AP:

"With Taylor gone, the Redskins are expected to focus on re-signing defensive ends Daniels and Demetric Evans, who became free agents last week."

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Yea Cork, I do feel almost the same when succumbing to road rage as I do wallowing in the depths of blog rage. Working on it though, I tend to find it more humorous now than I used to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"If YOU were Peppers, who would you pick? I think Peppers probably picks a Patriot Position.

Posted by: TheCork"

If you were Haynesworth, you probably would have picked the Giants or Titans too. Snyder is far more convincing than any of us realize.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"It's time to make O-line the top priority. Give me Andre Smith, Justin Smith, Michael Oher

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 2, 2009"

Sure seems like there is no other way to fill that pressing need. They could still barter picks next year for a Dahl, perhaps a Clabo. Both are young and started all 16 for Atlanta.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"If you were Haynesworth, you probably would have picked the Giants or Titans too. Snyder is far more convincing than any of us realize.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009"

You seem my fear. Suggs for multiple number one's and two's.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thought. Could Daniels and Evans rotate at DE and for fairly cheaply? Both are better suited for the run I think.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse


I guess I'll have to hang up my J. Taylor jersey...next to my C. Banks, A. Noga, D. Stubblefield, D. Wilkinson, B. Smith, D. Sanders, M. Carrier, B. Lloyd and A. Archuleta jerseys.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

don't forget your T. Canidate, C. Morton, J. Hall, J. George, D. Fiore, and L. Coles jerseys

Posted by: dadanimal | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse


Obviously the economy isn't hurting you guys too much! I can only afford one Skins jersey.

Fortunately, I chose #45 Mike Sellers. My DAWGGGG.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

REPORT OF TAYLOR BACK TO FINS IS INCORRECT
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 10:33 p.m.
Here’s a weird one.

Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald has posted in a comment to one of his own stories that “Jason Taylor just signed with the Dolphins.”

Salguero calls it a one-year deal for the veteran minimum, and concludes by observing, “This is incredible.”

It is incredible. Because it’s simply not accurate.

Per a league source, Taylor hasn’t signed with the Dolphins. In fact, he’s been contacted already by roughly a dozen teams, but none of them are the Dolphins.

It’s not our intent to pitch Salguero under the bus on this one. I met him at the Super Bowl, and despite some past disagreements with Salguero, he’s a good guy.

But he’s just wrong on this one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I hope with this free cap space we'll sign Hunter the Punter or the dude from the Ravens.

Also, I wouldn't mind if they traded our first for Terrell Suggs if we signed RT Ray Willis...

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I concur with some of the folk here --- let's spend remaining cap room wisely and scoop some from this list:
-Crowell for SAM linebacker spot
-Hunter Smith to be the punter
-Willis to compete for RT spot
-Resign Demetric Evans for LDE spot

Then for the upcoming draft, focus on trading back from #13 for a late first and 2nd rounder. With those 2 picks, concentrate on getting the best OLB and OL prospects available. Nice move would be to trade #13 to Lions for #20 and #34. Don't know the pt system so you can shoot me down if this doesn't work on the chart.

But if it does work out, target USC LB Clay Matthews with #20 and the best available OL with #34. Use 3rd rounder and other remaining picks for best available prospects on either line.

Give 'Em Hell in '09 Skins!

Posted by: gilk | March 2, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

"Interesting thought. Could Daniels and Evans rotate at DE and for fairly cheaply?"

I believe that is a serious consideration.
Think you may see a group rotating between tackle and end next year.

For whatever reason Snyder is waiting for something.

Again, I do fear a Suggs trade and consequent signing. I'm not sure that will be good when all is said and done. The OL is sure to suffer the fall out of that financial decision.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I believe that everyone fighting over the use of the term "Mike" should read the following extremeskins article.

This should clear up the misunderstanding:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=6074374

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsay is out there along with Cutler ... :)

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you gilk-- I think resigning Demetric Evans is a smart move (he'd be the starting LDE like he wants), sign Crowell for OLB (if he can stay healthy).

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse


"I believe that everyone fighting over the use of the term "Mike" should read the following extremeskins article.

This should clear up the misunderstanding:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=6074374

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009"

TDawg's article? Its also on the Wiki with a nice comparison to the 3-4. Plus there is additional info on scouts.com.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Alright no need to talk about the incompetence of the FO anymore...Lets focus on our needs.

I like the signing of Haynesworth, I like resigning Hall and I love Dock..People always put us down for spending all this money and screwing up salary cap space and what not but guess what we somehow manage to get it done every year and at least we are trying to win even if sometimes the moves are questionable.
Now, we have to resign Evans and then if Andre Smith is there at 13 I think you have to take him. Im not sure what other free agents are out there but we need a LB, another DE besides Evans (possibly Orakpo), and maybe another guard (if we get Smith, if not another tackle and guard)

Im glad we cut JT, now we can spread some money around on Value guys.
O line- Samuels
Dockery
Rabach
Thomas
Smith
D line- Evans
Griffin
Haynesworth
Carter

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 2, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense to sign Evans et al now. Get them in the fold.

Snyder is waiting to spring another big deal. To top Donald Trump ... do that and then see what is left salary cap wise.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

They still need 2 guards (1g/t + 1 g/center) and a starting left tackle.

The focus seems entirely on the defense. So, I don't think that the above will happen any time soon.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

there still is no such thing as a Mike DT, in your article there it says in some 5-2 the Mike is the nose as in the Mike linebacker plays as a nose tackle, but there is no such thing as a Mike DT.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The only USC backer worth drafting in the first round is Maualuga.

Some teams are going to get burned picking Cushing and Matthews too early if they jump in round 1. Maybe the 2nd. Definitely the 3rd. Not the first.

Posted by: JPRS | March 2, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

don't forget your T. Canidate, C. Morton, J. Hall, J. George, D. Fiore, and L. Coles jerseys

Posted by: dadanimal | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You are officially King of Bad Free Agent Pickups. I had completely blocked T Canidate and D Fiore out of my memory...for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Seems like divine intervention that Demetric Evans didn't get to make it to San Fran today due to the weather delay, doesn't it?

Sign him tonight, suckas.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I see alot of whining here about past draft picks that didn't pan out. Those same people are the ones calling for us drafting a certain position LB, OL, DE. I agree that those are the positions we need most but that is how picks get busted, by not picking the best player and reaching for the 4th OT in the draft at the 13th pick. IMO we should always be drafting the best player whether its Crabtree or ASmith. That is how the best teams do it and that is why they are the best teams. What we may be missing with heyer or jansen at OT could be made up for with recievers that are always open or a more stout D. I agree that going into a draft with this many holes is alarming but the cycle of stupidity needs to stop at some point, right? case in point

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse


"I believe that everyone fighting over the use of the term "Mike" should read the following extremeskins article.

This should clear up the misunderstanding:
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=6074374

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009"

TDawg's article? Its also on the Wiki with a nice comparison to the 3-4. Plus there is additional info on scouts.com.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse


ROFL Like I said, There is no such thing as a "Mike" DT.

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I never said there was a Mike Dlinemen, I just said that the article would help clear up the misunderstanding and explain why some people believe there is a Mike dlinemen.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

So, I suppose there is no such thing as the "predator" position at DE?

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

peri/Cork

Someone said Peppers makes as much sense as the JT55 move...and that is the problem...

Either way, I can't imagine we have money left over to sign him if we couldn't get Canty.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Sup peeps?

Did I miss anything today?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

rocky mac got picked at 34 in 06 because we had to have an lb. after him went jones drew, hester, marcus mcneil, lendale white, greg jennings, and duece lutui. if we drafted the best player we would have one of those guys. immediately ahead of rocky was demeco ryans and dquell jackson. after those 2 came off the board we should have gone to another position but we couldnt. it has to stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

And there is no "over" or "under" 4-3?

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Either way, I can't imagine we have money left over to sign him if we couldn't get Canty.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Did you miss the 8+ million we just saved?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"Either way, I can't imagine we have money left over to sign him if we couldn't get Canty.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009"

And if you are Danny "George Allen" Snyder and you are the GM of the Redskins. And you suddenly realize that you could trade a whole passel of picks over multiple years to the Ravens for Suggs ...

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

guess I'll have to hang up my J. Taylor jersey...next to my C. Banks, A. Noga, D. Stubblefield, D. Wilkinson, B. Smith, D. Sanders, M. Carrier, B. Lloyd and A. Archuleta jerseys.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

don't forget your T. Canidate, C. Morton, J. Hall, J. George, D. Fiore, and L. Coles jerseys

Posted by: dadanimal | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Or Christian Fauria, Tony Banks and Ki-Jana Carter...yeah, that's right KIJANA FREAKIN' CARTER!!!

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Did you miss the 8+ million we just saved?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes. I obviously did.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

One would suspect that Suggs performance in the Ravens game against the Redskins would be more impressive than Julius Peppers ...

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Whaaa?

No mo JT55?

WTF?!

Initial feelings:

Taylor is either a Punk or he is in that category of you can not teach an old dog new tricks..........

I choose PUNK.

Wow.

I hope his b!t#h a$$ stays in the NFC East so we can blow him up.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

refresh my memory because i obviously blocked it out worse than kenny beatrice. D FIORI? what year was this? what position did he even play?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

And if you are Danny "George Allen" Snyder and you are the GM of the Redskins. And you suddenly realize that you could trade a whole passel of picks over multiple years to the Ravens for Suggs ...


Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Ugggh. That's a tough one.

Before all the free agent hoopla began, I was up here arguing that T.Suggs would be the only FA pickup that I would look to break the bank on this time around (along with re-signing Hall). He's young and can fill a double need as a OLB and a pass-rusher.

At this point, I'd have to say no. If Haynesworth is worth the $48 mill we just gave him, then we should be able to plug Alex Buzbee and Chris Wilson into the DE and SLB slots and they should get 5-6 sacks each.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

guess I'll have to hang up my J. Taylor jersey...next to my C. Banks, A. Noga, D. Stubblefield, D. Wilkinson, B. Smith, D. Sanders, M. Carrier, B. Lloyd and A. Archuleta jerseys.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

don't forget your T. Canidate, C. Morton, J. Hall, J. George, D. Fiore, and L. Coles jerseys

Posted by: dadanimal | March 2, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Or Christian Fauria, Tony Banks and Ki-Jana Carter...yeah, that's right KIJANA FREAKIN' CARTER!!!

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

While you're at it, keep on with David Patten, Jesse Armstead, Jeremiah Trotter, Michael and Barrow.

Posted by: psps23 | March 2, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Even I had a feeling JTMoFo didn't like the Redskins before even reading this post.

Blache prob had to be straight up with Snyder and Cerrato and told them he HAS to be here and learn......

For JReid to say it was a bad fit was an understatement. But he shouldnot have included that without saying he was all for it when it happened.

It is a bad fit only in hindsight. Everyone got caught up in that 1st day of training camp. Us, Snyder, Cerrato, JLaC, and all the other reporters.

No one said anything. Period.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget about the illustrious list of qbs:

Rob Johnson, Danny Wuerffel, Sage Rosenfels, Shane Matthews, Kent Graham, and Mr. Melissa Hasselbeck (she got more screentime than he did during games.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

...Larry Centers, Chris Dishman...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I'd have to say no. If Haynesworth is worth the $48 mill we just gave him, then we should be able to plug Alex Buzbee and Chris Wilson into the DE and SLB slots and they should get 5-6 sacks each.


Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:12 PM

Good call, Wilson seems like he might be a pretty good speed rusher with Haynesmonster blowing up the middle. Daniels and Evans can rotate at DE for 1st and 2nd downs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

So, I suppose there is no such thing as the "predator" position at DE?

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse


I'm sorry you don't get it.

Predator is a DE that stands like a linebacker instead of a 3-point stance. It's a legitimate hybrid position but is still basically a DE but Mike DT is not a legitimate anything.

and to your point Griffin is a DT.

A DT playing DT is a DT. You can call him Nose Gaurd or Nose Tackle but at no point does he become a "Mike" anything.

A "Mike" LB lining up at Nose Tackle is still a "Mike" LB.


You might just be a zombie because I think someone ate your....BRAINS!!!!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Well--Snyder found a way to justify the release of JT. He & the suck up--VC wanted him to be at 'Skins Park--how about asking OR DEMANDING PORTIS DO THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!! --Portis has had a free card to practice or not at anytime he wished. The devious owner AND his lackey deserve a prize for the most incompetent FO of ANY football team in the NFL!!!

Posted by: vergens2 | March 2, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Also, prayers go out to those dude out in the sea. I pray they are found alive......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

TOM TUPA

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | March 2, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

In a traditional 4-3 Haynesworth possibly becomes the ultimate DE. A Reggie White type of dominant force who can shift to DT to throw off offensive blocking schemes. By shifting as many guys as possible around you make the predictable 4-3 far less predictable.

You never know where Haynesworth, Carter, and even Griffin might be coming from. You generally keep a Golston behind as the run stopper ... but you could also do that with Griffin, Montgomery or Alexander.

Haynesworth does seem to provide a certain amount of unpredictability to this defense that was not there last year. It should allow the younger defensive linemen and Carter to be more aggressive.

All that is left is the linebackers. If you get someone like a Suggs you have another game changing dominant player coming in from various positions and angles.

It could be the ultimate defense with the right people at corner back.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Also, prayers go out to those dude out in the sea. I pray they are found alive......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I seriously have a phobia about 2 things:
1) needles
2) drowining at sea

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

...Larry Centers, Chris Dishman...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:15 PM

Hol up! HOLD UP!

These dude played very very well for us. They don't deserve to be on your list. We should have never cut Larry Centers.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I concur with some of the folk here --- let's spend remaining cap room wisely and scoop some from this list:
-Crowell for SAM linebacker spot
-Hunter Smith to be the punter
-Willis to compete for RT spot
-Resign Demetric Evans for LDE spot
Posted by: gilk | March 2, 2009 10:45 PM

with 8 million in cap room and assuming that the dan is operating like there is no cap next year, we have room to sign 4 guys to the standard redskins contract (25-30 mil over 6 yrs, 10 mil up front). the question is are crowell or willis worth that contract and are there even 4 guys left on the market who are worth that? I like your list butI would also like to see the skins go after dawan landry from bmore. that would give his brother more freedom to operate to his full potential both at the line and as the deep cover 1. Anybody with me on that?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

refresh my memory because i obviously blocked it out worse than kenny beatrice. D FIORI? what year was this? what position did he even play?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this will ring a bell:

Redskins | Doctors May Decide Retirement Is Best Interest For Fiore
Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:18:12 -0800

The Washington Post reports Washington Redskins OG Dave Fiore (knee) will not participate in this weekend's offseason workouts. Redskins team doctors have to decide whether Fiore, who has an arthritic condition in his knee, should retire for medical reasons.

Can't forget that FA pickup and Redskins great SHAUN ALEXANDER either.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

It could be the ultimate defense with the right people at corner back.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

We have the right people at cornerback, and especially safety. I was against the Haynesworht move, but now that it is done I'm a little giddy to see how Horton/Landry are gonna destroy the LOS on some great blitz packages.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"You might just be a zombie because I think someone ate your....BRAINS!!!!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

You're still a moronic fool. First you didn't even think the "mike" existed. psps made his post and suddenly you are an expert?

Your a freakin grammar school kid who should be out making snowmen. Go play in traffic.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone that works for the Post that can say something that is not negative about the
Redskins? Seriously. Or is Reid just trying to cover the Skins the same way JLC does. Give the skins some credit for addressing some problems. Sure they paid a lot for Haynesworth. But no one questions the lack of a pass rush for years. And Haynesworth is not a Bruce Smith or Dana Stubblefield. He is in his prime. And Taylor was not a good fit.

Posted by: lancel | March 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

These dude played very very well for us. They don't deserve to be on your list. We should have never cut Larry Centers.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

That's what makes it so appropriate to mention him (Centers)...

Dishman way underperformed IMO...

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Well--Snyder found a way to justify the release of JT. He & the suck up--VC wanted him to be at 'Skins Park--how about asking OR DEMANDING PORTIS DO THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!! --Portis has had a free card to practice or not at anytime he wished. The devious owner AND his lackey deserve a prize for the most incompetent FO of ANY football team in the NFL!!!

Posted by: vergens2 | March 2, 2009 11:17 PM

Eh, dude? Where have you been the last year?

CP26 restructered his contract last year that included clauses that he has to workout during the offseason at Redskins' Park.

Same as JTMoFo was offered.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"We have the right people at cornerback, and especially safety.

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009"

At safety, yes, with Horton and Moore ...

At corner I'm not convinced ... I fear that Hall may flake out as he has in the past.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

refresh my memory because i obviously blocked it out worse than kenny beatrice. D FIORI? what year was this? what position did he even play?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this will ring a bell:

Redskins | Doctors May Decide Retirement Is Best Interest For Fiore
Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:18:12 -0800

The Washington Post reports Washington Redskins OG Dave Fiore (knee) will not participate in this weekend's offseason workouts. Redskins team doctors have to decide whether Fiore, who has an arthritic condition in his knee, should retire for medical reasons.

Can't forget that FA pickup and Redskins great SHAUN ALEXANDER either.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 11:21 PM
in that case you gotta include brandon noble as well!

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Is Shar Pourdanesh still out there?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"I concur with some of the folk here --- let's spend remaining cap room wisely and scoop some from this list:
-Crowell for SAM linebacker spot
-Hunter Smith to be the punter
-Willis to compete for RT spot
-Resign Demetric Evans for LDE spot
Posted by: gilk | March 2, 2009"

I suspect and fear that Danny is far more ambitious than that.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

P1Funk - Come on. Give Dishman a break. He played opposite DGreen in his prime (or close to it)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse


"Is Shar Pourdanesh still out there?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009"

No, but Mark Wilson is ... :) He's with the Raiders.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

in that case you gotta include brandon noble as well!
Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if Spurrier couldn't remember Noble when he was ON the team, how am I gonna remember him now?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Eh, dude? Where have you been the last year?

CP26 restructered his contract last year that included clauses that he has to workout during the offseason at Redskins' Park.

Same as JTMoFo was offered.....

Posted by: 4thFloor
they certainly didnt offer jt the same amount of money they gave portis to work out. he got like 20 mil or something crazy over 3 years. they offered jt 500,000. that being said its still 20,000 for each of the 25 workouts he was signing on for. thats ridiculous!

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"Is Shar Pourdanesh still out there?

Posted by: p1funk | March 2, 2009"

No, but Mark Wilson is ... :) He's with the Raiders.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

in that case you gotta include brandon noble as well!
Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if Spurrier couldn't remember Noble when he was ON the team, how am I gonna remember him now?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

easily the best back to back comments of the night. Spectacular!

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I understand Jason Taylor will be starring in the new TV reality series "Dancing With Snyder's Money".

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | March 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

They might consider Samari Rolle who wants to be released from the Ravens. A cheaper alternative to Shawn Springs?

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Larry Centers was beast....he is not on the list of shame

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

im out on the shar pourdanesh comment. have anice night ladies and gentlemen.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | March 2, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"You might just be a zombie because I think someone ate your....BRAINS!!!!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

You're still a moronic fool. First you didn't even think the "mike" existed. psps made his post and suddenly you are an expert?

Your a freakin grammar school kid who should be out making snowmen. Go play in traffic.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse


ROFL I know because I've played the game and that's why I called you out on your laughable "Mike" DT!!

And your talking about Haynesworth as the "ultimate" DE!

Bwaahhahahahaha!! Now when playing in traffic should I stand in the "Mike" of the street?!!

Bwahahahaha! Ya frickin' idiot! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

the offseason stuff is hogwash...skins wanted the monet, jay tay wanted free agency...nuff said.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Random JTMoFo thought:

Did dude actually think he was gonna get $8.5 Mil for another team or in Hollywood this year?

Did he not want to come back and show the fans, the owner, the coaches, and his teamates that he still had 'it' and was one of the best Defensive Players of the decade.....

After watching him up close, I tend to think he is over-rated. HAs been Always will be......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"Bwahahahaha! Ya frickin' idiot! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

You need to join "Purple", the official Raven's club just for women.

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

the offseason stuff is hogwash...skins wanted the monet, jay tay wanted free agency...nuff said.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:34 PM

That's what I tend to think, but you just can't assumne that here.

JTMoFo's Camp haven't leaked anything out yet, so we'll see.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"Bwahahahaha! Ya frickin' idiot! ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 2, 2009"

You probably played with "barbies" but not football. ;)

Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Another Random JTMoFO thought:

Do you think they mistake him for The Roc out there in Hollywood? They look too much alike.....

That might be bad for his movie Carrer.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

i can assume anything i want...also vinny and JTs agent are tight they co-constructed the narrative. There will be no leaks in the near future. Maybe once he signs somewhere else (early rumor is TB..Wouldnt count out pats)

either way whateves...lets spend the savings wisely!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

mo way he and the rock can do buddy/brother movies. Prolly remake Uptown Saturday Night.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes you can assume whateves you want.

I stand corrected.

I too considered that Cl. But I ('I') don't want to assume that just yet. Only because this doesn't look too great for JTMoFo and no way he'll make that money back.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

For the record JReid did question the move and commented on Taylor being able to fit Blache's scheme and play the run. Also repped D Evens and predicted he'd relegate taylor situational player in his July 24th Redskins Unrestricted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/redskins_unrestricted_july_24.html


please resign d evens!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe it's because I am just finding out about this that it hasn't settled in my head yet.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

4th,

My assertion/assumption. Its not about the money for him. It is about the chance to get on a team he believes in where he fits the scheme and is able to cap his boderline HOF career. For a chance to control his legacy he is willing to sacrifice 4/5 mil b/c he prolly sins for about 4 mil in his next contract. His returning to dolphins or bucs (would be playing for old d-cord there) is alredy strong rumor. I also see the Pats,

Posted by: chrislarry | March 2, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Come on Cl! You know we don't watch videos here. So it don't count!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Listen to the video.

JReid more or less just ased the question, 'Will he fit?' 'Can he play the run?'

But are those his questions or are those general obvious questions to ask?

He does give big ups to DEvans. Unfortunetly, I don't see Evans coming back.....

So far, the Dolphins have not contacted him (JTMoFo that is)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

TWELVE TEAMS INTERESTED IN TAYLOR
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 11:24 p.m.

The best part of a Miami Herald commenter’s decision to pose as Armando Salguero and post a comment indicating that free-agent defensive end Jason Taylor has re-signed with the Dolphins is that the non-story gave us the occasion to explore the situation.

And we learned that a dozen teams already have expressed interest in the 2006 defensive player of the year.

But not the Dolphins.

As we hear it, Taylor is going to take some time before making a decision. And that makes sense — anyone who signs him in March will expect him to participate in the offseason program, and that’s precisely why he was cut by the Redskins.

So if he continues to play, he’ll likely sign a contract in June or July.

Also, don’t rule out the possibility that Taylor will call it quits. The aspiring actor had a movie deal on the table last year, in the wake of his successful stint on Dancing With The Stars.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

i too doubt he becomes a dolphin...now Buc....

4th, a good reporter tips his hand by "throwing out questions" JReid was pretty clear he was dubious of the trade. either way he pretty much nostradumsed how it would play out.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

this sucks
snyder is a ego maniac over grown child idiot
Jason Taylor is a intelligent vet who was hurt all last year, if he's healthy he's probably going to start for us and at the least he would have provided good depth

now we need one more end, we loose the 2nd rounder from miami

all cause he wanted to be with his family during the offseason

lame

Posted by: jrak1 | March 3, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

WOW, ESPN just reached a new LOW.

I just saw an AshleyMadison.com commercial right before ESPN's NFL Live.

A frickin' cheat-on-your-spouse dating service! Stay Classy, ESPN!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Adios, Jason Taylor, and thanks for all the memories.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

TJ Duckett, please pick up the maroon courtesy phone... TJ Duckett, please pick up the maroon courtesy phone...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

We lose another pick in compensation to the Titans ... yeesssh.


Posted by: periculum | March 2, 2009 9:29 PM |





I see you're from the JLC/J-Reid Doughboy School o Journalism, but hey, I'm here to inform and educate dopes like you. For future reference, we don't lose any compensation picks to the Titams. The Titans will get a compensation pick in next year's draft dependent on how much Haynesworth plays this season, but it is an extra pick, and not a pick given up by anyone. Only franchise players warrant compensation from the signing club. But then again, you should be used to being wrong by now...

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Management panicked after two ends went down and not much was available except for a star player. Jeez. It didn't work out and probably wasn't wise, but you wouldn't have done anything different La Canfora. Oh, wait, you would have. You would have signed three cheap crappy backups to take his place. Plus Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 3, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

hey Lord Wang, at least get the writer correct, it was JReid.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

periculum is never wrong.

There REALLY is a Mike DT, The skins STILL have a 2nd round pick this year, and the skins HAVE to compensate the Titans by giving Nashville a giant panda for its zoo.

Priest Holmes is a fantastic #2 WR but we'll never know how that would have helped the 'skins.

By the way, the world is flat.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Hogwash...isn't that good fot the redskins?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

JLC, JR, Cindy Boren, they are all a bunch of doo covered knobs deep inside the sphincter of negative sports writing. They couldnt write something positive if their life actually depended on it, cause they have had their feelings hurt by the Skins F.O. Bunch of little cry babies, For the love of pete, cant we trade their sorry ***** for a couple of blind legless flea bitten donkies?

Posted by: SkinEm1 | March 3, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

I reckon they'd lose a lot of their Dirtbag cred if they went through a Hogwash.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

This all sounds so fishy to me. Are you trying to convince me that the FO did not know that the roster bonus was due on Tuesday? Or they didn't know that JT was going to spend the offseason in Miami?

It's not like it was news to them. Danny and his lackey were itching to find an excuse to cut JT without losing face. Point Blank. And looking at their history together doesn't necessarily conjure images of transparency and a straight shooter approach. Doesn't this sound eerily familiar to the Lavar fiasco? Wasn't it a dispute over a sum of money that was supposed to be paid that lead to souring the relationship with Arrington? And what do they do, they cut him the first chance they got.

But you know what the kicker is? It's that they did not have the intellect or the vision to realize that this was eventually going to happen and they did not act in time to secure the services of the other free agents out there before they signed with other teams. They're wingin' it. This FO is a joke.

Posted by: SmashMouth | March 3, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Adios, Jason Taylor, and thanks for all the memories.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

All 3.5 of them

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:59 AM | Report abuse

OK, lets just sit back and think about this phone call:

Husband: My company wants me to spend another month with them on the road

Wife: You know we like it when you're home.

Husband: I can quit the company and get another job and take a $6,000,000 pay cut

Wife: We really want you home baby, leave the $6,000,000 behind.


Ummmmm ... No

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 3:02 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

I agree. There is nothing special about clean hogs.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2009 3:27 AM | Report abuse

So PFT is reporting that Hall's deal wasn't actually signed until monday. It obviously leads you to believe that maybe the signing of hall AND Haynesworth was contingent upon taylor being renegotiated or cut. It was exciting to think of the possible bargan shopping we could do with his 8m off the books but it looks like we'll be lucky if we get half of that back. I still think it's enough to make a push for Willis or Crowell. With the depth of tackle that's in this draft it would probably be advantagous to take a hard look at Crowell.

Posted by: Twismjax | March 3, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

More FO incompetence...

HALL DEAL WASN’T SIGNED UNTIL MONDAY
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 12:01 a.m.
In a surprising but (frankly) largely irrelevant development, we’re told that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall didn’t actually sign his new contract until Monday.

The deal was reported last week, at or about the time free agency opened.

The reason for the delay isn’t clear. It could be that the Redskins didn’t have the cap room after signing defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth on Friday.

There’s also a chance that the team needed to dump Jason Taylor’s $8.5 million cap number before getting the deal done. Then again, if Taylor had opted to insert a workout clause into his contract and if the team had opted to keep him, the Redskins would have been required to clear the cap space in other ways.

The practical reality here is that Hall technically remained a free agent through the weekend, and in theory could have shopped the offer in search of something better.

He didn’t, so it’s not really a story.

But it could have been.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2009 5:18 AM | Report abuse

I wish Jason Taylor the best but the Redskins needed to get rid of him.They need a long term solution at DE,not another stop gap.They need to stop giving away draft choices for older name players with little left in the tank.Maybe now they have the cap space to sign a decent free agaent LB or OFF.lineman.I would even be happy if they brought back Coles to start opposite Moss.

Posted by: ttribbett | March 3, 2009 5:35 AM | Report abuse

I've only known of one case of compartment injury prior to Taylor. It did enough damage that the guy was permanently unable to run after that, though he could walk. It degraded his leg.

Essentially, its possible to recover most, but not all, capability.

With Jason Taylor already old by lineman standards, even a minor degradation associated with the compartment injury would be enough to take down his quality of play ... a big risk when its $8million on the line

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Jason, who do you reconcile your contradictory comments? On one hand, you blame his lack of production on changing sides and playing in a different scheme. Then you admit that Taylor might have nothing left in the tank.

The fact is, if not for the injuries, he certainly could have been effective as a pass rusher last season - and with Evans there, they didn't need Taylor on running downs.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | March 3, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

We could get this guy,

Khalif Barnes #69 OT»
Date April 21, 1982
Birth Place San Diego, CA
Height 6-5
Weight 325 lbs.
Age 26
Position OT
Experience 4 years
College Washington

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I get really tired of all the s*%t about the Redskins. I live in Cincinnati and I see what a bad owner they have. It is so bad here that the fans have given up, and are calling for the Bengals to move out of Cincinnati.I have a good friend who is a Lions fan( poor fella).We all see whats going on there. I love the way snyder tries to put a team together. The Bengals and lions fans could only dream of having a owner like Snyder. So, lets all chear up! We could be fans of these teams with no hope of winning. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 3, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

I am astonished at all the front office apologists on this board. How many more mediocre seasons will it take to convince you?

To those who think Snyder and Cerrato's model works, I wish you were right but another 8-8 season is about to be born since we have no offense a bad head coach/offensive coordinator and a QB on his way out of town. JL is right - there are serious problems in this organization in a front office model that won't work until a real GM is hired and can override the dumb ideas of Snyder. How about Pat Kerwin?

Posted by: jjredskins | March 3, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Another lost draft pick - for nothing.

Fire Vinny, Impeach Danny Boy

Posted by: myskinsr1 | March 3, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

GOOD MOVE!!! THE GUY WAS 34 AND OBVIOUSLY NOT WILLING TO DO WHATEVER HE NEEDED FOR THE TEAM!!!

WE SHOULD USE THE CAP SPACE ON A TOP LEVEL OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. WE SHOULD THEN DRAFT DE, LB AND MORE OL.

Posted by: BarackObama | March 3, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

The Bengals and lions fans could only dream of having a owner like Snyder. So, lets all chear up! We could be fans of these teams with no hope of winning. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 3, 2009 7:05 AM

Yeah, we should all be glad to be mediocre because the Lions and Bengals have it worse...dude, get a grip. This is the Washington Redskins. Winners of 3 Super Bowls in 5 appearances. One of the most storied franchises in the NFL. Just because there's someone worse off doesn't mean we should lower our standards.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 3, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I am astonished at all the front office apologists on this board. How many more mediocre seasons will it take to convince you?

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Let's see....we were in the playoffs 2 years ago....we had the 4th best defense while putting no pressure on the QB or turning the ball over. I think our team is on the rise, not in a free fall.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Just saw Doc Walker interviewed. Doc says the latest signings and release of JT definitely improve the team....he says that this isn't just the old days of making an off season splash. I think Doc knows more about the Skins that the half empty gang that enjoy complaining more than supporting their team.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

So with Taylor gone, whats that save us in cap space, or is this all dead cap now? If we have extra space now, what quality FA OL's, DE's and LB's are there available? Need to get this done before the draft.

Posted by: 4skinz | March 3, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis will be in a Redskins uniform this year. I don't like the idea but it makes sense if you're Dan Snyder. Now you have the money to do it. LFB and Ray Ray would wreak havoc on the NFL together. One of them just has to play outside.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

So long 2nd round draft pick...

Posted by: rusty6 | March 3, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

jjredskins,

A couple of points:

1. What good does it do to cry and criticize the FO's, will it change anything NO. Snyder runs the team the way he wants which is his perogative.

2. No matter who the GM is he would never have more authority then Dan Snyder. Is that a good thing NO but that is the way it will be.

3. Instead of calling people FO apologist, think of them as people that try and look for positives, in the moves that are made.

4. I just think getting all mad about every move made, and saying Snyder needs to go every other post is a waste of time. But if it makes some of you happy please continue I just know it doesn't do any good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

from PFT...

TWELVE TEAMS INTERESTED IN TAYLOR
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 11:24 p.m. EST
The best part of a Miami Herald commenter’s decision to pose as Armando Salguero and post a comment indicating that free-agent defensive end Jason Taylor has re-signed with the Dolphins is that the non-story gave us the occasion to explore the situation.

And we learned that a dozen teams already have expressed interest in the 2006 defensive player of the year.

But not the Dolphins.

As we hear it, Taylor is going to take some time before making a decision. And that makes sense — anyone who signs him in March will expect him to participate in the offseason program, and that’s precisely why he was cut by the Redskins.

So if he continues to play, he’ll likely sign a contract in June or July.

Also, don’t rule out the possibility that Taylor will call it quits. The aspiring actor had a movie deal on the table last year, in the wake of his successful stint on Dancing With The Stars.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Also from PFt which makes me think we may not have all of JT's cap money available after signing AH and DH and DD.

HALL DEAL WASN’T SIGNED UNTIL MONDAY
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
In a surprising but (frankly) largely irrelevant development, we’re told that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall didn’t actually sign his new contract until Monday.

The deal was reported last week, at or about the time free agency opened.

The reason for the delay isn’t clear. It could be that the Redskins didn’t have the cap room after signing defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth on Friday.

There’s also a chance that the team needed to dump Jason Taylor’s $8.5 million cap number before getting the deal done. Then again, if Taylor had opted to insert a workout clause into his contract and if the team had opted to keep him, the Redskins would have been required to clear the cap space in other ways.

The practical reality here is that Hall technically remained a free agent through the weekend, and in theory could have shopped the offer in search of something better.

He didn’t, so it’s not really a story.

But it could have been.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

So with Taylor gone, whats that save us in cap space, or is this all dead cap now? If we have extra space now, what quality FA OL's, DE's and LB's are there available? Need to get this done before the draft.

Posted by: 4skinz | March 3, 2009 7:50 AM |

Although this has been posted several times I will post it again.

Cutting Taylor frees up 8.5mil there is no cap hit for cutting him, there is also no future dead money. Thats why it's a great move. You can say they were dumb for getting him in the first place, and maybe they were but at least they didn't waste another 8.5mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis will be in a Redskins uniform this year. I don't like the idea but it makes sense if you're Dan Snyder. Now you have the money to do it. LFB and Ray Ray would wreak havoc on the NFL together. One of them just has to play outside.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 7:53 AM |

Really you already have a very good MLB, we have signed no FA above the age of 28. So why would we sign Ray Ray, were would he play? What do you do with LF?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

They let Taylor go, so they can bring in Julius Peppers!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 3, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

They let Taylor go, so they can bring in Julius Peppers!!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 3, 2009 8:03 AM |

Don't scare me, they would have to give up the 13th pick for him because he is franchised.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Signing Taylor was a panic move brought on by the injury to Philip Daniels. Trying to transform a pass rusher into a gap filler just was not going to work - especially considering Taylor's small size. He could have played linebacker in this defense, but not every down and projecting him as an end was doomed at the start. Unfortunately, without Demetric Evans or Philip Daniels on the roster, there really isn't a defensive end on the roster that can be an every down player on that side. With Haynesworth signed, maybe the team will take a look at sliding Montgomery to defensive end. He's not going to speed rush anyone, but his bull rushes might prove disruptive on the end - kind of like what the Giants do with Justin Tuck. I also think the team should make an effort to bring Evans back. He's solid and not spectacular, and he seems to be able to avoid injury.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 3, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Now all the "experts" say that Jason did not fit into our defense. But at the time of the signing, everyone including most WP writers were saying "what a great get though we did pay for it with draft picks".

Talk about changing history!

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 3, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

From the last thread :

"Funny, we coulda drafted Quentin Groves or Calais Campbell and had a serviceable NFL player for a few years. Instead, we spent our 2nd rounders on Sleepy, Dopey, and Gimpy and have no 2nd rounder this year. That's super smart.

Remember when Justin Geisinger had to come in and block Terrell Suggs? What's going to be this year's Official Vinny Cerrato Salary Cap Moment to Remember?

Posted by: Zornado "


one of the funniest posts this off-season, much better than anything RedDMV or talent_devaluator ever come up with.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 3, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Really you already have a very good MLB, we have signed no FA above the age of 28. So why would we sign Ray Ray, were would he play? What do you do with LF?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Simple answer. Look who we're talking about here - Dan Snyder. Tell me you honestly think this man wouldn't go after Ray Lewis.

Besides - I previously said one of them would have to play outside.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Also - I'm not saying I like the move or I want it to happen but it would be a classic Danny/Vinny move that wouldn't surprise me at all.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Simple answer. Look who we're talking about here - Dan Snyder. Tell me you honestly think this man wouldn't go after Ray Lewis.

Besides - I previously said one of them would have to play outside.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:11 AM |

No he wont go after Ray Lewis, and OLB and MLB are totaly different positions, so switching either one of them to the outside would not be as easy as you make it seem.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Good job, Jason. A very honest assessment IMO. This is a blue-collar east-coast team; Taylor never seemed to fit or be happy in his role as an NFC East run-stopping end. Did you sense anything from the players? I know they would never say anything publicly but...

Posted by: benevolentanarchist | March 3, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"Remember when Justin Geisinger had to come in and block Terrell Suggs?"

Haha, no I don't. I remember when he had to come in and line-up across from Suggs...that's about all he did.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 3, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

REPOST:

'...if the purpose of adding Haynesworth was to allow our DE's to get more pressure why let Taylor go?..."

It confuses me, too.

But the gang that brought in Prince Albert with the same flair they brought in MC Hammer Taylor only continues to use confusion to amaze its loyal fanbase.

Rememba--Parcells had beef with Taylor because he wanted to dance with the stars instead of workout with aqua and blue cellar dwellers the Tuna was hired to bring back to life.

Meaning when the redskins FO traded for him, they knew they were bringing in a guy with outside interests who wouldn't want to spent May sweatin' to the oldies with Prince Albert and Durrty 30.

But they didn't double check on Taylor's obvious intentions to train/increase his celebrity status on his own before signing Haynesworth and now the stated idea of using #92 to collapse the pocket so Taylor could freelance isn't gonna happen.

Now, one thing won't complement the other, so you can still single block Haynesworth without the fear of an elite rush end in your quarterback's face.

So the FO wins yet another award for being consistently inconsistent.

Arch Delux=Jason Taylor=8-8, again!


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Also - I'm not saying I like the move or I want it to happen but it would be a classic Danny/Vinny move that wouldn't surprise me at all.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:14 AM |

Besides the 2000 season when they went after old star players, name me one other time this classic move has happened.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I drop my wife off for work and have about 2 hours to myself... I feel like RI has "mistress" capabilities now. Gross.

So I completely missed the election shabingus up here. Any note worthy fights I should know about? Where's all the regulars?

Its been far too long and all I read about anymore is Broncos news. Looks like the Eagles have becomes the new Broncos bedfellows. My poor wife lost her Dawkins and Buckhalter.

Can you imagine having Mello and Culter in the same city? Be grateful Agent Zero is not more of a drama queen. I miss DC news. Woody Paige

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Really you already have a very good MLB, we have signed no FA above the age of 28. So why would we sign Ray Ray, were would he play? What do you do with LF?

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Simple answer. Look who we're talking about here - Dan Snyder. Tell me you honestly think this man wouldn't go after Ray Lewis.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:11 AM |

Now that's RI for you -- a flounder fighting with a big fish.

This time, flounder's right and bigfish is just chum. It's the fifth day of free agency. If Dan Snyder wanted Ray Lewis, he would already have gotten him. Press conference would have been on Sunday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

jjredskins,

A couple of points:

1. What good does it do to cry and criticize the FO's, will it change anything NO. Snyder runs the team the way he wants which is his perogative.

2. No matter who the GM is he would never have more authority then Dan Snyder. Is that a good thing NO but that is the way it will be.

3. Instead of calling people FO apologist, think of them as people that try and look for positives, in the moves that are made.

4. I just think getting all mad about every move made, and saying Snyder needs to go every other post is a waste of time. But if it makes some of you happy please continue I just know it doesn't do any good.

Posted by: Flounder21

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Amen Flounder. I understand frustration about the past (even recent past...last off season was awful) but the team is definitely on the rise...younger and faster. I like what Blache did with an "old" defense this year. We have upgraded the D. Now let's use the JT $ wisely and draft smart, and maybe this will turn out to be finally the offseason when the FO got it together.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Besides the 2000 season when they went after old star players, name me one other time this classic move has happened.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:20 AM

I'm thinking last year with Jason Taylor?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Besides the 2000 season when they went after old star players, name me one other time this classic move has happened.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Seriously? What the heck are you people complaining about 24/7 if the Redskins were not known for bringing in old free agents at the end of their career or free agents who rank high on their list but no one elses (Arch, Lloyd)? We just let another classic one go yesterday.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Woody Paige

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Now, one thing won't complement the other, so you can still single block Haynesworth without the fear of an elite rush end in your quarterback's face.

So the FO wins yet another award for being consistently inconsistent.

Arch Delux=Jason Taylor=8-8, again!

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:19 AM |

No body can block AH one on one or he will get the sack. So because JT is gone there is no other DE that can rush the passer and benefit from AH. Will the just play 10 and leave DE as a open position, or do you think maybe they will find someone to play there.

If they resign Evans he would be able to get to the passer more with AH in the middle.

They signed AH to help get outside pressure, that doesn't mean JT was the only player that would benefit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

'...Now all the "experts" say that Jason did not fit into our defense....'

Well, some of us 'experts'--as you call us--continue to feel that the team should invest time into getting some of the young'ns on defense on the field.

How would have playing Chris Wilson or Rob Jackson been any different than playing J Taylor this past season? Better, as you'd still have the draft picks and a better assessment of what they can do as players.

The Redskins FO loves the big names too much. Signing Prince Albert is just another sign of that. The endgame to his tenure as a redskin will be just as compelling to read as that of Taylor, Lloyd, The Gang of Spurrier, Gibbs II,....

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking last year with Jason Taylor?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:24 AM |

TE,

That was different they traded for him because of the injury to daniels, if Daniels stays healthy JT never comes to the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

If Dan Snyder wanted Ray Lewis, he would already have gotten him. Press conference would have been on Sunday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Exactly how would he have gotten him when due to the Haynesworth signing they couldn't even officially get DH signed until yesterday after they released JT? Danny and Vinny have been handcuffed for the past week trying to work out the cap space for these AH, DH, and DD deals. Now that those are done they can go find more people to throw money at.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting censored. Does the "

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm a bit rusty it seems. I meant to say that I miss Wilbon and Kornheiser and Woody Paige is a hack compared to them. He77 (lame), I even miss Jasno.

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

They signed AH to help get outside pressure, that doesn't mean JT was the only player that would benefit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:25 AM |

Right now we have four DE's on the roster: Andre Carter, Chris Wilson, Alex Buzbee, and Rob Jackson. I thought that both Wilson and Jackson were fast rushers off the edge. Why wouldn't they benefit from having AH? And, why wouldn't Carter and Buzbee benefit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

And now I'm monoblogging. Carpe Diem Hamsters.

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

That was different they traded for him because of the injury to daniels, if Daniels stays healthy JT never comes to the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:27 AM

Look, they could have traded for lots of guys but instead went for the over-the-hill-superhero. This is exactly what they were doing in 2000.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Exactly, mista is acting like JT is the only player that would benefit from AH.

The other DE's on the team will all be better because of the up the middle pressure AH will provide.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Exactly how would he have gotten him when due to the Haynesworth signing they couldn't even officially get DH signed until yesterday after they released JT? Danny and Vinny have been handcuffed for the past week trying to work out the cap space for these AH, DH, and DD deals. Now that those are done they can go find more people to throw money at.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:27 AM

They would have restructured Taylor's contract before the start of free agency, converting his $8 million salary into a signing bonus, extending the contract for two years (even giving Taylor an option to cancel the contract after this year) and making cap space to sign Ray Lewis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

'...If they resign Evans...'


Last week, it was, "Hey, he's done. He's 30, blah, blah, blah..."

This week, it's '...if they resign Evans...we need this guy."

If I'm Evans, I give the redskins the middle finger to read.

Let me remind those with ADD: Some weeks ago, Moe posted that because of the value and utility offered by D Evans, the team should lock him up before FA got under way as the redskins as this issue with respecting the humble, low round guys they train up into starting roles.

And what happened: the team ignored Evans, gave a boat load of money to Hall and Prince Albert, and now that they let Taylor and Parcells slick roll them, turn to Evans and say, "My friend, would you like a contract?"

If I'm Evans, I follow the path blazed by A Pierce--the guy who said the skins didn't respect their own because they loved big names too much- and try to catch on with a franchise that gives me a good deal and, above all, respect.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

And now I'm monoblogging. Carpe Diem Hamsters.

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2009 8:31 AM

Dorf, anyone blogging about Woody Paige will end up monoblogging. Although, I always enjoy him on that stupid around the horny show.

And it was a good line about RI as mistress. Keep it up and welcome back. Don't start the election, though. Arrington, Pierce, Clark, or Leigh Torrence are fresher topics for discussion than the election.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

So...I wonder if this will allow them to get that O-Line kid from Seattle and then draft a DE or LB, I still would like to see Orakpo in a skins jersey, any word on if they are negotiating with Evans??

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Blatche misused Taylor for sure but lets move on. Freeing up that money will allow the team to sign some hungry and younger players who want to be in DC and want to sack quarterbacks.

I understand what the team gave up but we need to stop crying and get some guys to compliment Haynesworth from the strong side linebacking position as well as defensive end.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | March 3, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Evans, I give the redskins the middle finger to read.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:35 AM

If you're Evans agent you try to get as many people interested in your man as you can. So far, there's been only one and when only one is bidding the auction doesn't go very high. Every agent wants the Redskins involved in a bidding war for their guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

mista,

How many offers has Evans had in FA's, that anwser would be none.

This is a buisness Evans would come back in a heartbeat, and be stupid not to.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"...and try to catch on with a franchise that gives me a good deal and, above all, respect."

Any "respect" you speak of is based on performance. Every pro-athlete is a piece of meat. It's a business.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 3, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I would prefer Barnes at T over the kid from Seattle they are the same age.

If Barnes has already signed then forget everything I just said.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

YES!!!

It is a GREAT day, when the sacred name, the HOF Player that is Antonio Pierce is brought up....

Today is gonna be a good day.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Were getting into the part of FA's where players will come very cheap. We still need a T and an OLB. We can get T in the draft but a young veteran might still be needed.

OLB is going to be a reach at 13 so maybe you look for that in FA's, and then draft one with the 3rd round pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

'...Exactly, mista is acting like JT is the only player that would benefit from AH...'

No--actually 'mista' is pointing out a consistent pattern of weird behavior.

The skins are playing Madden GM in a league where most teams add guys that fit a specific scheme issue.

I guess letting Prince Albert float around Manny Rameriz style for awhile to see what the market for him was never crossed the FO's mind.

Most teams don't dole out big contracts and guaranteed money to improve their defense to stop the run in a league where a winning passing game is important.

The cards got to the super bowl because they could pass and block. The stillers won because they could pass better and block better: there wasn't much of a running game in the super bowl, was there?

What should've or could've been the 'big splashy signing'? Oh, something simple and cheap, like adding Rocky Benard like the jints did.

Or: float the 1st round pick in the face of the panthas in exchange for J Gross (throw in Fred Davis) and you're tackle issue suddenly stops being one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

They would have restructured Taylor's contract before the start of free agency, converting his $8 million salary into a signing bonus, extending the contract for two years (even giving Taylor an option to cancel the contract after this year) and making cap space to sign Ray Lewis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

How'd that whole restructuring attempt go by the way?

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Here are the OL currently on the team, not sure how many most teams keep, but they will need to cut a couple of these guys to make room for a draft pick or a fA.

60 Samuels, Chris 1977-07-28 6'5 310 Alabama Offensive Tackle
76 Jansen, Jon 1976-01-28 6'6 306 Michigan Offensive Tackle
62 Clark, Devin 1986-05-22 6'4 305 New Mexico Offensive Lineman
78 Batiste, D'Anthony 1982-03-29 6'4 313 Louisiana-Lafayette Offensive Lineman
74 Heyer, Stephon 1984-01-16 6'6 334 Maryland Offensive Lineman
63 Montgomery, Will 1983-02-13 6'3 312 Virginia Tech Offensive Lineman
71 Riley, Rueben 1984-09-20 6'4 305 Michigan Offensive Lineman
69 Fabini, Jason 1974-08-25 6'7 309 Cincinnati Offensive Lineman
72 Ross, Isaiah 1981-11-06 6'3 320 Nevada Offensive Lineman
68 Geisinger, Justin 1982-05-24 6'2 315 Vanderbilt Offensive Lineman
78 Brown, Kerry 1985-06-19 6'6 305 Appalachian State Offensive Guard
77 Thomas, Randy 1976-01-19 6'5 306 Mississippi State Offensive Guard
75 Rinehart, Chad 1985-05-04 6'5 308 Northern Iowa Offensive Guard
66 Dockery, Derrick 1980-09-07 6'6 330 Texas Left Guard
61 Rabach, Casey 1977-09-24 6'4 301 Wisconsin Center

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"Whenever I spoke with Taylor last season, I got the sense that he could not have been any unhappier with the Redskins."

That's funny, whenever I spoke with Taylor last season, I got the sense that he could not have been any unhappier with the Redskins MEDIA and whiny FANS!!!! But of course, I may have been speaking to the wrong "Taylor". My bad!

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 3, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned that Hall couldn't sign until JT was dropped. If that is the case then how much cap space do we really have available? Do we have a definitive number from somewhere?

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

I agree that what they do is crazy sometimes, I just don't see how criticizing it gets you anywhere.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

'...This is a buisness Evans would come back in a heartbeat, and be stupid not to...'

Of course he would.

The point is he could've been in the fold and out of the way a long time ago.

If Evans was 27, he'd cost money. But now, at 30, it's a matter of a handshake and a pat on the back and dinner.

They could've taken care of him around the same time they should've been kicking J Taylor's tires to see if there was a way to not look like fools for handing the fins two picks in a draft where there are players of the type the redskins need.

The FO keeps doing the same nonsensical things over, and over, and over,.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned that Hall couldn't sign until JT was dropped. If that is the case then how much cap space do we really have available? Do we have a definitive number from somewhere?

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 8:53 AM |

Not yet

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Moe, couple of things:

1. Manny has only himself and his actions to blame for still being unemployed. He's also turned down numerous offers from the dodgers.

2. "I guess letting Prince Albert float around Manny Rameriz style for awhile to see what the market for him"...wasn't going to happen. If the skins didn't get him then Tampa Bay would have. It was a now, or never situation.

3. So you want to trade a 1st, and Fred Davis for Jordan Gross, who will be 29 before the season even starts. So you have him for exactly ONE season before his age starts to become an issue. Good call.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

These guys are on the team no matter what, either because of salary or potential.

60 Samuels, Chris 1977-07-28 6'5 310 Alabama Offensive Tackle
76 Jansen, Jon 1976-01-28 6'6 306 Michigan Offensive Tackle
74 Heyer, Stephon 1984-01-16 6'6 334 Maryland Offensive Lineman
77 Thomas, Randy 1976-01-19 6'5 306 Mississippi State Offensive Guard
75 Rinehart, Chad 1985-05-04 6'5 308 Northern Iowa Offensive Guard
66 Dockery, Derrick 1980-09-07 6'6 330 Texas Left Guard
61 Rabach, Casey 1977-09-24 6'4 301 Wisconsin Center

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

60 Samuels, Chris 1977-07-28 6'5 310 Alabama Offensive Tackle
76 Jansen, Jon 1976-01-28 6'6 306 Michigan Offensive Tackle
74 Heyer, Stephon 1984-01-16 6'6 334 Maryland Offensive Lineman
77 Thomas, Randy 1976-01-19 6'5 306 Mississippi State Offensive Guard
75 Rinehart, Chad 1985-05-04 6'5 308 Northern Iowa Offensive Guard
66 Dockery, Derrick 1980-09-07 6'6 330 Texas Left Guard
61 Rabach, Casey 1977-09-24 6'4 301 Wisconsin Center

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I know we have age issues and all but I'll have to admit that on paper this looks pretty good.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if they will give Rob Jackson a chance to take over the LDE position, he did OK in spot duty last year.

I'm not saying that it's a solution, but it would be nice to develop a good player on our own.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

There are still plenty of FA out there to fill needs that could be cheaper, that would allow us to draft a young talented DE, LB or trade down to get a late 1st and 2nd rounder or two 2 rounds, but I still think we add the RT in FA, get Rinehart off his a s s and get these guys back in shape and hope that by committee we can handle the right part of the line, plus, there are going to be people around Training camp available and after, ala Pete The Creaky Knees Kendall.

Haynesworth will play a little DE, we have Daniels and Griffith, Monty, Gholston, A. Carter - who I think sucks, Buzbee, Jackson, etc. Would be nice to sign Evans and let him have his day in the sun to start with Taylor out, sounds like heaven to me for the guy and then draft Orakpo to learn under those guys and develop, by mid season, he probably will have Evans job.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

bigfish,

I agree, I think Thomas will play better with a good RT next to him.

The problem as I see it is that JJ is done, not sure if Hyer can start at RT.

I think they need to get a FA, or draft a T with 13, then the line would be very good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me for not remembering but was that the guy that lost his helmet in pre-season and kept going at it 100%? Didn't he end up getting sliced in the face or something?

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

beantown

You operate like I thought adding Prince Albert was a necessity.

I don't.

Rocky Benard could've been had on the cheap.

I was in Tampa this weekend. They're crying over D Brooks being cut. They want a quarterback bad.

As for the J Gross move, I was only offereing a suggestion that would've made more sign than giving $100 mil (or $48 mil)to a dt in a league where blocking and passing beats stopping the run any day.

If have baseball issues to read up on. The angry posts, like bad weather, will move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Cutting Taylor frees up 8.5mil there is no cap hit for cutting him, there is also no future dead money. Thats why it's a great move. You can say they were dumb for getting him in the first place, and maybe they were but at least they didn't waste another 8.5mil.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

What is not clear to me is whether the report of Hall not signing until Monday is related to the cutting of JT on Monday. Do do we have $8 mill cap space, or was it immediately used up?

My assumption is that they are not related, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

From http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-03-02-nfl-insider_N.htm

So said the Snyder:

"I've learned that you don't do a seven-year contract with a player that's 33. You do it when he's 27. That's the big difference."
"If you look at the Reggie Whites and Warren Sapps, the dominating D-tackle is probably a harder find," Snyder says, "than the pass rushers on the edge."


Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Evans, I give the redskins the middle finger to read.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 8:35 AM

If you're Evans agent you try to get as many people interested in your man as you can. So far, there's been only one and when only one is bidding the auction doesn't go very high. Every agent wants the Redskins involved in a bidding war for their guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

If you were Evans' agent, you would be Drew Rosenhaus...

Posted by: nagoose | March 3, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I would like to eventually take a RB in the late rounds or even the third, but I dont think it is an option at this point. Portis wont play forever even though he has a forever expensive contract and I think Betts when healthy last year was pretty useless. I was hoping for good things from Betts so that we could dangle trade bait for this year, much like a M. Turner or what not, but he did not play well last year.

Wish the Broncos would trade Cutler for Campbell straight up, haha. Cutler likes to throw the ball.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Do do we have $8 mill cap space, or was it immediately used up?

My assumption is that they are not related, but I'm not sure.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Due to the timing of signing the contracts and the reports not coming form anyone named "Jason" I seriously doubt we have the full 8 mil left in space.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Rocky Bernard? We would have been skewering the front office for signing a 30+ year old player of average to above average ability to play a position of desperate need for us.

Jovan Haye WOULD have been better.

Not much left out there....

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Thought I heard on the radio that Skins have about $5M left in cap space, they were hoping to get one more FA - preferrably OL or LB and then have $$ for draft picks.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Rocky Benard could've been had on the cheap.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 9:08 AM |

Theres a reason you could get Benard on the cheap he is not that good.

AH is the best DT in the NFL and he plays for us.

You say he will bust, I say he will be a very good player for us. Why don't we let him play a few games and then decide.

I know instead of talking about sh!t that has already happened and can't be changed, why don't we discuss what we should do in the future.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I wanted to see Canty with Haynesworth, that would be dominating, since both can play both DE and DT. Then let the youngsters learn and play around them. I say lets get a LB or T and get ready for the draft, LB has to be addressed by something, we dont have but 1 healthy LB right now and even he is banged up and old, effective, but banged up and old - Fletcher...MCIntosh, I felt played pretty bad at the end of the season and M. Washington is gone, who is left??? Fincher was a FA wasnt he, K. Campbell is only good at specials, then what???

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Not sure how reliable it is but this site has the AH, DH and DD contracts on it and still has JT on it and says we have 3.7 mil left. That's before cutting JT.

Anyone know if this is reliable info?

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

How'd that whole restructuring attempt go by the way?

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 8:52 AM

For the Redskins it went great. For Taylor, who just choked up about $5 million, not so well. In retrospect, Skins should have forced the issue last Thursday, not Monday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Thought everyone would love to know that one of the biggest hogs of cap space for the Redskins this year is none other than..........drumroll please..........Lloyd, Brandon. 5.3 mil to be precise - Slightly more than D Hall is costing this year.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Only in the land of the Redskins is Albert Haynesworth considered a bust while Rocky Bernard would have been considered a solution to cure all ills.

Shocking I tell you. Shocking.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

---For the Redskins it went great. For Taylor, who just choked up about $5 million, not so well. In retrospect, Skins should have forced the issue last Thursday, not Monday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 9:18 AM---

its all about timing and appearance. we kept him around in case we didnt get AH or canty. just like springs was kept around until the dhall signing

Posted by: follybeach | March 3, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

This was a long time coming... Me personally would have cut Jason Taylor when we still had a chance to get Chris Canty now he is a g-man. Funny how things work out.

Posted by: rcarter51 | March 3, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Not sure how reliable it is but this site has the AH, DH and DD contracts on it and still has JT on it and says we have 3.7 mil left. That's before cutting JT.

Anyone know if this is reliable info?

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:17 AM |

That site is normally up to date it was updated Sunday, so it looks like they had already factored in Halls contract even though it wasn't signed until Monday.

If that is true then cutting JT added another 8.5 so that would make us a little over 12mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

If that is true then cutting JT added another 8.5 so that would make us a little over 12mil in cap space.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Sure would be nice if one of those "Insider" types could find out for sure.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm
Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:17

Thanks, pretty impressive breakdown off the cap & salaries.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Anyone seen this yet, Vinny's email inbox. quite a hoot:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78100/gmailCerrato.jpg

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

JT55 is a whiner. I can think of 8 million reasons why he should have shut up and done what the team asked of him. A professional signs the contract and then does their best to fulfill it. The attitude is the reason Parcells wanted to trade him, and why the Redskins ultimately let him go. And whoever signs him will get exactly the same prima-donna BS. I "get the sense" from reading the article that Taylor really isn't interested in playing football, but the money is too good to quit. So he will keep conning teams until they've all figured it out.

I would hope that the Redskins are prepared to trade UP in the draft to get someone like Monroe, but I'm fairly sure he goes to KC if DET grabs a QB, probably Stafford. If both Detroit and KC take tackles (which would be smart, they have a much higher success rate than QB, Andre Johnson excepted) then the Skins should think about trading down and getting 2 second round picks.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Re the timing of cutting JT and Springs. It was all about getting AH in here. AH had stated that he had to make a decision between the Bucs and the Skins. He chose the skins because he saw some talented players on the roster on defense and though he had a better chance of making the playoffs or beeter with them.

If we would have cut JT and Springs before signing AH then we may not have gotten him.

From PFT...

Meanwhile, Haynesworth explained that he opted for the Redskins instead of the Bucs in part because of the overall quality of Washington’s roster.

“I looked at the roster of the Redskins and looked at the roster of the Bucs and they cut a lot of starters, I mean they were older guys, but they cut five starters the day before,” Haynesworth said. “And then you look at the ‘Skins and their team wasn’t old, and it’s not young, it’s in that middle age group like my age type of guys. And you know having all the names we do that are really good players out there, even great players, I definitely thought we had a great shot at making a nice run for the playoffs and hopefully winning our division and getting deep in the playoffs.”

We wonder how he would have felt if the ‘Skins had dumped cornerback Shawn Springs and defensive end Jason Taylor before recruiting Haynesworth.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sorry - All kinds of typos there. I'm sure you can figure it out.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Insider...free agency put that name to the test and we've seen the results.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Rocky Bernard? YGBSM... SEA defense was awful last year, yet he had a career year in tackles made. You ask me, he stopped doing his job (occupying blockers) and started trying to make tackles. Yeah, his statistics went up but overall the defense was hurt.

SEA did not try to resign the guy, despite the fact their defense was 20th in the league. What does that tell you about him?

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

by the way, JULIUS PEPPERS was at the wiz kids game last night...just sayin'

Posted by: mopp04 | March 3, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Taylor was irrelevant from the beginning. I see him in a supporting role on The Nutty Professor IV

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 3, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth's contract wasn't signed until he had his press conference. Could be the same with Hall.

I'm really curious to see where the skins currently are in terms of the salary cap.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Hall's signing today (vs. Saturday) was probably more a factor of the weather and his ability to catch a flight into the Washington D.C. area... I believe the Skins cleared enough cap room by last Friday for both Haynesworth and Hall [reported to be 7.9 and 5.2 mil].

Posted by: siris | March 3, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

In the interest of slamming the organization as much as possible, JLC basically shrugged off the fact that JT had a major injury for about 10 weeks out of the 16 week season. He shouldn't have even been playing.

But, whatever supports your agenda. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Jahswim | March 3, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Dockery counted as 1.8 mil in 2009, so the Skins should still have Taylor's 8.5 to spend on two or three more free agents.

They have open positions for a starting LDE, SLB, and P; plus the need to find backups at LB and OL (C/G & G/T).

Posted by: siris | March 3, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Your agenda might be strengthened Jahswim by getting the writer correct. This post was JReid not JLC. As my boy beantown would say. "Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument/agenda"

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

And of course sign the RFAs: DT Golston, DT Montgomery, LB Campbell, and K Suisham.

Posted by: siris | March 3, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do we have the most negative sports reporters? They are all glass is half empty kind of guys when it comes to the Redskins. I can't even listen to any of the radio shows aside from maybe the Locker Room show.

Posted by: Burg_gold_blood | March 3, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

'...Rocky Bernard? YGBSMWhat does that tell you about him?...'


Seattle didn't resgin him, but the jints did.

What does that tell you about them?: easy--they see him as someone who can fit in a rotation to rest Cofield/Alford, that's all.

He isn't a savior. He's not a 'splashy signing.' Just a low cost vet guy who can give their front line guys a rest or start if they're hurt.

They see him--and Canty-- as a piece and not the whole pie.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they can still p/u Chris Canty now that Taylor is gone. He would be a big NFC east run stuffing AND pass disrupting ( he's 6'7 and a beast ) DE and he along w/ hanesworth would improve out D Line emmensly! We have several "specialty" speed rushers on the roster and Canty would be a perfect 2 down DE and he can still get to the QB somewhat fast.. I guess we need LBs pretty bad as well however and the Canty move makes too much sence to me so I'm sure the Skin's won't make it ... figure we'll get the eventual starting RT w/ the 13th pick.

Posted by: cwprice2 | March 3, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"And of course sign the RFAs: DT Golston, DT Montgomery, LB Campbell, and K Suisham.

Posted by: siris"

I'm pretty sure when you tender a player, they already count against the cap. If they sign elsewhere, then their cap figures come off the books with no penalty.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or do we have the most negative financial reporters. I mean its gotten to where I can't even turn on CNBC. And that stock ticker, I mean its obviously negative and biased against Dow Jones.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure a few of these will be back and will eat into the cap space before we even set aside money for the draft.

Unsigned Redskins:
Alfred Fincher
Brandon Archer
Demetric Evans
Horace Gant
Jason Fabini
Johnny Baldwin
Justin Geisinger
Khary Campbell
Mike Green
Nehemiah Broughton
Pete Kendall
Phillip Daniels
Reed Doughty
Ryan Boschetti

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe they can still p/u Chris Canty now that Taylor is gone. He would be a big NFC east run stuffing AND pass disrupting ( he's 6'7 and a beast ) DE and he along w/ hanesworth would improve out D Line emmensly!"

Wow. Can someone point out to this gentleman that Canty signed with Jints like 72 hours ago. This board ain't for lightweights bub!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

'...why don't we discuss what we should do in the future..'


Because in the past we talked about the same things--don't make a big FA signing, was one of them.

Invest in low cost solutions was another.

Some folks discussed the idea that the offensive line was a mess and needed some creative work--you know, the same kind that keeps getting dumped into the redskins defense.

Winning 32-21 beats losing 14-10 any day in a league where passing and blocking beats stopping the run. Remember-- the rules are set up to reward passing and scoring.

Say: I have and idea--I'll spend the day being all cheery and snarky and cut-and-paste-the-roster-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and again because all I know is what someone else told me.

I guess some people like it when all they read all day is, "Yeah, you're right, fishman21, the skins should've....'

To me, that's what's sh!t talkin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Funny chrislarry.

Chris Canty has been signed already. Rocky Bernard will be lucky to get 10 snaps a game with all the better players the Giants have on the line in front of him.

Who the hell is Johnny Baldwin? I at least heard of everyone else.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 3, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Julius Peppers three years ago yes but dude is over the hill now.. teams didn't double team him at all last year... speed DEs over 30 don't come back from that ! Canty is used to occuping two blockers..that's why he didn't get a lot of numbers in dallas' 3-4 D.. but in a 4-3 he'll be a taller (faster) phillip daniels run stuffer type.

Also it would be ideal if the OT from Alabama says some more dumb stuff at his pro day so he'll slip to 13th... he'd be an absolute inforcer at RT for us.. he just says and does dumb sh*T but just needs to loose weight and have proper coaching... Skins and Bugs can take care of that in no time !!

Posted by: cwprice2 | March 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Is Olshanksy the only guy left out there in FA worth bringing in?

Maybe Hunter Smith, or DJ Hackett?

Anybody else, I don't think they're worth taking up the cap space for the needs we have.... better to wait until next year or the draft to see what talent is available.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

60 Samuels, Chris 1977-07-28 6'5 310 Alabama Offensive Tackle
76 Jansen, Jon 1976-01-28 6'6 306 Michigan Offensive Tackle
74 Heyer, Stephon 1984-01-16 6'6 334 Maryland Offensive Lineman
77 Thomas, Randy 1976-01-19 6'5 306 Mississippi State Offensive Guard
75 Rinehart, Chad 1985-05-04 6'5 308 Northern Iowa Offensive Guard
66 Dockery, Derrick 1980-09-07 6'6 330 Texas Left Guard
61 Rabach, Casey 1977-09-24 6'4 301 Wisconsin Center

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I know we have age issues and all but I'll have to admit that on paper this looks pretty good.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 3, 2009 9:03 AM

Are u people crazy???? Has Danny Boy and Mr. Radio Vinny clouded your minds with another offseason bonanza, that you've forgotten the reality of this team? Did you see how terrible this offensive line played in the 2nd half of the season, or do we all of a sudden have amnesia? This offensive line still needs a least 2 new starters. I'm glad they got Dockery, but we still need help upfront. That 2nd round pick we wasted on Jason Taylor would've come in handy right now. Why is everyone blasting Taylor for? I remember about 80% of the "experts" who post on this blog praising that trade when it happened. I remember saying we shouldn't be trading 2 draft picks for a player who doesn't have a lot of years left. Oh well we learn the hard way again.

The Skins still have a lot of holes to fill, but we don't have enough draft picks. To bad we also overpay for players which puts us in salary cap hell. Oh well the Danny Boy and Mr. Radio Vinny show continues and the Skin diehards still have Super Bowl dreams....

Posted by: trueredskinsfan | March 3, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Your right Mista, keep bashing all day on sh!t that is over with. Have fun I hope it makes you feel better.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"He isn't a savior. He's not a 'splashy signing.' Just a low cost vet guy who can give their front line guys a rest or start if they're hurt.

They see him--and Canty-- as a piece and not the whole pie.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

Yes, and the massive difference between the Giants and the Redskins is the Giants already have their "splashy" players (Osi, Tuck, Kiwanuka). They needed "glue" guys. That's what Canty and Robbins provide for them. Players that will do the dirty work, unappreciated by the casual fan.

The Redskins are the exact opposite. The entire defense, save the secondary, is filled with "glue" guys. The Redskins needed that impact player, that dynamic force that can take over a game. Neither Canty nor Bernard would provide anything to the Redskins that was not provided last season by Demetric Evans, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston, and Lorenzo Alexander. Haynesworth, on the other hand, adds an entirely new dimension that wasn't previously there.

Not all rosters are created equal. Just because the Giants, loaded with frontline talent, add role players doesn't mean they are smarter than the Redskins, loaded with role players, who opt to add frontline talent.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

ryp, I'd take a look at olshansky, and the OT from Seattle, and crowell. That'd be 3 guys who could step in and start, for not huge money.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Say: I have and idea--I'll spend the day being all cheery and snarky and cut-and-paste-the-roster-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and again because all I know is what someone else told me.

I guess some people like it when all they read all day is, "Yeah, you're right, fishman21, the skins should've....'

To me, that's what's sh!t talkin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 10:12 AM |

Your right you are so knowledgeable, I forgot what team do you work for?

You keep saying what they shouldn't do, how about telling us with your great knowledge what they should do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

bleep bleep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

CL,
I am the first to admit that I can't track all the signings but even I knew that.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Gentlemen... and Ladies if your on here,

With 12 mil in cap space (if that's true) our needs can easily be addressed as follows:
OT - sign Willis, he's young and can easily take over for Jansen
DE - re-sign Evans, sign Igor (if not for his name only)
CB - Rogers, Hall and Smoot are all solid first 3. If the FO doesn't think Tyron can step up as our 4th in dime, look for late round draft help or a cheap FA
OLB - Suggs? Don't think we could do it and get help elsewhere but then again... it's Snyder.

Draft - if Andre Smith or Orakpo drops to 13, take either one. If not, or even if Smith is there and the Lions took a QB at 1, trade down to them and get their 20 and 2nd round and draft DE, OLB and OL the whole way.

Lock it up.

Posted by: sidkid31 | March 3, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the Skins trading record since Danny got here, they've given away more than an entire draft.

Trade for Taylor (2nd and 6th)
Trade up to draft Jason Campbell (cost: 1st, 3rd, 4th)
Trade up to draft Rocky McIntosh (cost: two 2nds)
Trade for Portis (2nd and Champ)
Trade for Pete Kendall (4th)
Trade for Duckett (3rd and 4th)
Trade for Lloyd (3rd and 4th)

The Skins gave away one 1st, four 2nd, three 3rd, and four 4th round picks. That's 12 picks. What did they get in return? Portis, Campbell, and McIntosh.

Is there anyone on the planet who wouldn't trade those three guys for Champ and those 12 picks back?

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