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Teammates Preach O-Line Patience

And now, some sage perspective from veteran defensive end Phillip Daniels, who doesn't understand all the fuss about the offensive line's struggles early in camp.

"Everybody just needs to relax a little," said Daniels, beginning his 14th season in the NFL. "When you have a D line like ours, that's a lot to handle. It's like people forgot what we do."

Many of you are distraught about the unit's shaky performance and I've written more time is needed to evaluate the situation, which I strongly believe. Of course, I've also made it clear I thought more substantive moves should have been made in an attempt to bolster a unit that allowed Jason Campbell to be sacked 38 times last season - the fourth-highest total in the league.

The Skins replaced left guard Pete Kendall with Derrick Dockery and right tackle Jon Jansen with Stephon Heyer. They also brought in tackle Mike Williams and guard/tackle Jeremy Bridges in the hope they could make an immediate impact as part of a rotation.

The Skins haven't even had their intra-squad scrimmage yet, so I'm not prepared to write that Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrto blew it again. Covering baseball for a long time, I had to learn to step back and see how things developed. Obviously, they play 162 in the baseball regular season and only 16 in the league I currently cover. But I'm referring to the big picture, not actual games played.

Concern definitely is warranted, however, considering how the unit fared in pass protection last season. Again, the Skins plan to rely on the core group of center Casey Rabach, left tackle Chris Samuels and right guard Randy Thomas. Regardless of whether it's fair, it seems the unit is considered guilty with fans until proven otherwise.

It was another rough day out here Tuesday for Joe Bugel's bunch. Rookie end/strong-side linebacker Brian Orakpo again at times beat Samuels in 11-on-11 drills. Thomas, who had arthroscopic knee surgery in the offseason, sat out with a sore knee. Heyer left practice because of a bruised left knee that occurred in goal line drills. An MRI exam was encouraging, a Skins spokesman said, but there is no timetable for Heyer's return. Rabach also did not finish practice (calf) and Williams rested because of a groin injury. The coaching staff expects the line's performance to improve through reps, which are hard to get if the first-team unit isn't on the field together.

Although the Redskins brought in two new players Wednesday, neither is an offensive lineman. They have not been among the teams inquiring about unsigned tackle Levi Jones, who was cut by the Bengals in May. He is believed to be seeking a starting job and commensurate pay.

The Skins have had plenty of time to make a move toward former Eagles tackle Jon Runyan, but Coach Jim Zorn has repeatedly told me the guys in camp "are the guys we're going with." Obviously, things could change if Heyer is sidelined for a while, but there don't appear to be any answers out there for the Skins.

In discussing the situation with Daniels and Cornelius Griffin, I got the sense they truly believe the O line will be more effective once they "get their timing," Griffin said. "It's still early in camp and [they're] communicating and getting their timing. They're going to be good. They're going to be fine."

The thought process that went into the Skins' offseason plan, however, is open to question. They had the No. 4 overall defense yet still invested heavily on defense with the moves we've all discussed for a long time. There's no disputing the Skins needed to produce more sacks and turnovers, but the offensive line was considered the team's biggest weakness.

Cutting Jansen and declining to re-sign Kendall made sense. Dockery, one would think, should be an upgrade at left guard and Heyer has to be better at right tackle than Jansen, who simply couldn't effectively pass protect at this late stage of his career, many in the organization said. Although Dockery was only away for two seasons, there's stuff he's learning, and the defense is throwing a bunch of new blitzes at the line.

But where's the quality depth? Williams's weight loss is a feel-good story, but he has been overmatched in 11-on-11 drills against, for the most part, any end who has lined up against him, struggling with power and speed moves.

Williams has been great to deal with and seems like a really nice guy. I just don't understand how the Skins could have envisioned him actually contributing, let alone competing to start, when he had not played in a regular-season game since the 2005 season, weighed more than 400 pounds when they signed him and was considered a first-round bust when he was in top form. Watching him in pass protection has been painful, and it's obvious he shouldn't be in a competitive situation on a football field right now.

Jeremy Bridges has looked better at guard than tackle. He has the best chance at being an effective backup, so the Skins are moving him all over the line to have him learn multiple positions. As for second-year guard/tackle Chad Rinehart, well, he seems to be a really nice kid as well. Third-round picks are supposed to contribute, and Rinehart performed poorly in the preseason last year and lost his confidence.

"Man, it's so early," Daniels said. "A lot can change when these guys get their timing down. That's why we're out here now."

By Jason Reid  |  August 5, 2009; 11:00 AM ET
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O-line had FIRST respectable practice.

Posted by: skins1110 | August 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

ESPN reported that the Skins signed D.J. Hackett

Posted by: BREV1 | August 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

on MIke Williams -- it was always a longshot for him to contribute. Many of us on this blog recognized that. The new football league might be a good place for him, depending on when that begins. The man will need a year to get his football legs back.

I'm wishing him well, but the happy ending was never likely to come in 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Concern definitely is warranted, however, considering how the unit fared in pass protection last season. .... Regardless of whether it's fair, it seems the unit is considered guilty with fans until proven otherwise.

IT IS TOTALLY FAIR!!!!!!!

We all saw the collapse of an aging OL last year in the 2nd half. Everyone, that is, except the Spaghetti Gang (Danny and Vinny). 1 OL draft pick in 3 years? Hoping that longshots like MIke Williams turn into quality players? Sorry, wishing and hoping isn't a strategy. Unless you're a fan ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Got beeped

last week, in the 2009 inaugural edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I said I liked the Roydell Williams signing. A lot. Thought he had a real shot at being a solid #2 WR.
Didn't take long for that call to go up flames.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 10:59 AM

I usually roll my eyes when you pat yourself on the back for something you “called” earlier…..nice to see someone that is “fair and balanced” in regards to themselves. Good stuff. Greg should award you some bonus pts for that. Just please don’t disappoint me here with another A. Boldin rhetoric.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 5, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Mike on Mike Williams is straight tard...

And the DJ Hackett brigade can finally rejoice!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 5, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

what did you expect to hear from the D-linemen? Oh, those guys suck. There ain't know way JC is going to have more than 2 seconds to find a receiver. We're going to have to score a lot of points on defense if we stand a chance to win some games. If the offensive line stinks, the D-line guys are not the ones to ask.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | August 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

No bonus points awarded in this case...as that was just way, way too far fetched to have a shot at happening....

I'm stingy with em'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I mean counting on Mike Williams is straight tard...me typing with out proofing is straight tard...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

J Reid, nice post, other than the paragraph where you compare baseball to football games.

Posted by: isnadd | August 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

And the DJ Hackett brigade can finally rejoice!

I believe psp is the only one on this brigade.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Quick Take on Mike Williams

I know he's the feel-good story of training camp, but it has been painful to watch tackle Mike Williams in pass protection since camp opened, and I really don't expect him to improve much today or anytime soon.--RI DUH MAYOR

Thanks for the straight skinny. This is sad, but predictable to all but Jenny Craig and the Redskins FO.

Posted by: TheCork | August 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

On DJ Hackett. OK, at least he can play a few games at this level, but he's really a #4 WR in terms of results -- and injuries have been an issue. He is still young (just turned 28) and apparently, he's 6'2" -- didn't realize he was that big.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HackD.00.htm

Reality is setting in ... Thomas MUST step up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm rolling with PDaniels. He is a straight up dude......

F the haters! Which will results to be every poster on this blog.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Baby Bro B-Law couldn't make it out to camp this AM (cough...hungover...cough) but plans to go tomorrow.

He does report this from yesterday:

"Something to watch is punt returner. ARE has been working on it every morning, getting up feild before he makes a move. And since he's not going to be the #2 reciever he has more focus on special teams. He said last year he never practiced punt returns"

Posted by: chrislarry | August 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

why has the Post not reported the hackett signing? Sign ex Bengal or Eagle Tackle. How much worse than Mike Williams can they be?

Posted by: BarackObama | August 5, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"It's an adventure. RT @JReidPost Bugel on possibility of Rinehart starting season opener: "I wouldn't have a problem with that." Ah, okay"

JReid, can you give us a quick take on Rhinehart. I have heard he hasn't looked that great but some comments on here have indicated that he's looked OK. In your tweet you sound skeptical, and in this post you say "As for second-year guard/tackle Chad Rinehart, well, he seems to be a really nice kid as well." Damning with faint praise? What's the deally yo? Is he really that bad?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Great articles Jason keep them coming. I feel I really know whats going on at camp.

Posted by: liglewood | August 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

New football league AKA UFL starts the same time as the NFL.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

brownwood and other doomsayers, after 5 days of training camp, what "realistic" Cardinals fan thought the Cards would be in the Super Bowl much less leading the game with less than a minute to play? You never can tell with sports. That's why they play the games. Brighten up dude. It's only August 5.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

last week, in the 2009 inaugural edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, I said I liked the Roydell Williams signing. A lot. Thought he had a real shot at being a solid #2 WR.
Didn't take long for that call to go up flames.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 10:59 AM

I usually roll my eyes when you pat yourself on the back for something you “called” earlier…..nice to see someone that is “fair and balanced” in regards to themselves. Good stuff. Greg should award you some bonus pts for that. Just please don’t disappoint me here with another A. Boldin rhetoric.
Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 5, 2009 11:12 AM

never been afraid to own up to getting it wrong -- and I've gotten plenty wrong. fwiw, I invented the bonus points, so I'm not eligibile to receive them. Greg was the first winner of such points, for knowing that we traded Jay Schroeder for Jim Lachey, probably the biggest swindle since we got SJ9 for Norm Snead.

My other 'longhsot' predictions
a win over the jints
a loss to the Raiders
Robert Henson gets at least 1 start
3 different guys start for us at RT
Carlos has 5 picks

At least I can't be wrong on all of them until after we've played the Raiders ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

4th, I am waaaay pro-Daniels. He is a lunch pail dude...and was monstorous during 2005 playoff run.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 5, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that Mike Williams post was encouraging. Sign Pete Kendall, move Bridges to full-time RT. The Mike Williams experiment is a failure. Yes, I'm putting a stamp on it already. He won't make the 53-man roster. Unless they can somehow put him on IR, he'll be done.

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Second on the Mike Williams experiment.

Posted by: Devo2
I posted this days ago stating Mike Williams must be the smartest DIETER in the world. He convinced the desperate Skins mgmt to sign him to lose weight. What a great gig! How many fat guys would love to get out there, get paid to run around with your team? Un-effing believable.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I was on the Hackett trip last offseason. My opinion was to sign Hackett, bandage the WR position for a year, and draft offensive linemen that year. We went the opposite route.

Now, Hackett is pretty much just a body, as we have invested in 2 second round draft picks to fill that slot (while yet again looking for a diamond in the rough for the offensive line).

Posted by: psps23 | August 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Hackett signing was up on the twitter feed all morning and was bumped down and off by other newsy tweets.
Hackett in, Marquardt in, replacing Roydell Williams and Vaka Manupuna on the 80-dude roster.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | August 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

My first post under the new administration... Sort of sad to see JReid's rapid loss of innocence. So easy to start out all rah-rah and so quick to be disillusioned by the front office... I jest, but I wonder if it's a matter of time before he gets ripped mercilessly for "hating" on the team... LOL

Posted by: beatkal | August 5, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I know it may be sacrilege to mention it here, but I wonder how the Eagles new line is doing? Might be a useful frame of reference...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

ESPN reported that the Skins signed D.J. Hackett

Posted by: BREV1 | August 5, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Is it 2008 or 2009? I'm confused..

Posted by: ga8085 | August 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm on the DJ Hackett brigade. Asuuming we signed him for something like vet min, what's not to like?

He's a "big" receiver (something we've lacked).

He knows the offense/playbook (something we've lacked).

And he can step in to cover multiple receiver spots (something we've lacked).

He doesn't play teams (oh, well); and he's been injured, but assuming he was signed on the cheap and is being used as a plug-n-play it's not a high risk.

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I think the Williams signing was good for everyone -- whether it works or not. Sometimes, its good to see another person take a positive step in life.

Mike Williams hasn't failed in this attempt. In the bigger picture, he's gotten a lot of his life back. Being around a guy that wants to turn his life around as much as this guy does has got to inspire others.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If you can't handle power or speed rush moves, what can you handle? The drop back into cover move?

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 5, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

For guys as old as me (44)that remember the Skins of old, this has been a truly painful decade to observe. The dismantling and shoddily run organization resembles nothing of the glory years in the past. The mercinary that owns the teams cares little about winning except in the merchandise arena. If a board were in charge they'd unanimously vote to fire the owner and his sycophant immediately and start about hiring football minds to build the lines first, then the other positions. WTF happened in DC?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, after 5 days of training camp, what "realistic" Cardinals fan thought the Cards would be in the Super Bowl much less leading the game with less than a minute to play? You never can tell with sports. That's why they play the games. Brighten up dude. It's only August 5.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 11:01 AM


Dude, YOU need to brighten up...the Skins play in the NFC East, not the NFC West (the worst division in football). That difference alone makes that comparison weak.

While I get your "any given Sunday" approach, I simply disagree. A team this disinterested in building from the line of scrimmage back is asking to underachieve. And the Skins have done just that.

Still love the colors and still root for 'em on Sunday. But with this team you hope for the best and expect the worst. It's the only way.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

One thing about Daniels worth considering. He played RDE in a game vs Minn a couple years back and they were unable to run to that side -- really a smart move by the defensive coaches since the left side of the Minn Oline is the best in football.

Carter doesn't give a lot of pass rush. To me, it says that if someone like Jarmon succeeds at LDE, you can switch Daniels to RDE and upgrade the rush.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I understand teammates not wanting to throw other teammates under the bus; it's the right move.

But other people have been criticizing the fans for criticizing the OLine, and that's bunk.

Our pass protection was CRAP last year. We've retained most of the guys responsible for that and, while we plugged some holes, we did NOT upgrade. Now we come into camp and our OLine still looks like CRAP.

This is a largely veteran group that has had a year to digest the schemes. What's the excuse? It's early? So start calling them out early!

Take off the gloves and start treating them like pros who should be performing better, instead of treating them like insecure charity cases who need excuses.

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

dude...didn't the cards play against the entire nfc east last year?

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

cL - When I said everybody, I meant almost everybody. But, ofcourse you knew that....

Re: Eagles Line - Shawn Andrews can't get on the practice field as the RT due to back problems......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

dude...didn't the cards play against the entire nfc east last year?

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they got beat by the entire NFC East last year...maybe they beat the Cowboys in the game where Romo broke his finger??

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem criticizing the oline but without our #2 pick this year we were in a bind. Unless you're suggesting taking oher over orakpo (which I wouldn't, personal preference) there weren't many clear free agent upgrades to be had. We got two of them. I hope daniels is right though.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they got beat by the entire NFC East last year...maybe they beat the Cowboys in the game where Romo broke his finger??

Posted by: p1funk | August 5, 2009 11:51 AM

Didn't they (the Cards) beat the Eagles in the playoff?

Posted by: TWISI | August 5, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Dude, YOU need to brighten up...the Skins play in the NFC East, not the NFC West (the worst division in football). That difference alone makes that comparison weak."
Posted by: brownwood26 | August 5, 2009 11:44 AM

So if I understand you correctly, you take the position that the Cardinals made the Super Bowl because they played in NFC West? Two teams made the playoff's from the NFC East. As many on here like to point out, one of those teams' leading rusher and receiver failed to eclipse 1000 yds and its QB got benched. So shut up witch-o whinin'.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

They beat the cowgirls on a blocked punt in the game romo broke his finger and they beat the eagles in the playoffs, they lost to the gints, us, and the eagles (thanksgiving day blowout) in the regular season.

Patience is fine and I agree on letting the line "develop its timing" but right no we have no legit backup at tackle period. IF Samuels or Heyer gets hurt we are left with a guy name Burley or Bridges out of position. I just can't believe that our front office did this to us again....

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | August 5, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If you are looking at the Cardinals for comparison, you are looking at the wrong Super Bowl team. The Steelers rebuilt their O-line last year, and Big Ben struggled early. But the D kept them going, and Ben played lights out during the playoffs behind a line that had watched the #1 defense all season.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 5, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

No one's making a comparison. My point is you never know how things will turn out. Every team in the NFC East is flawed. If the defense is as good as it is expected to be, this team may just good enough to make the post-season. Once you're there, anything can happen.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

problem is, w/ a bad o line, there is very little room for error...meaning we have to have outstanding special teams...lets see if that has improved

Posted by: merajc86 | August 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The mercenary that owns the teams cares little about winning except in the merchandise arena. WTF happened in DC?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree, Snyder does want to win, as much if not more than we want the skins to win. I just think he has no F'n idea how to do it. That and he gets way too hands on and F's it all up.

However, I do believe he wants to win and badly. Just a Jakass approach on how to do it.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

No bonus points awarded in this case...as that was just way, way too far fetched to have a shot at happening....

I'm stingy with em'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 5, 2009 11:17 AM

Sure, that's the case NOW ... now that bonus points are backed by TARP money. I recall that, back when bonus points were backed by mortgage securities, possession of bonus points was a jailable offense.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Although the Iggles went to the playoffs, IMHO they were the 4th-best team in the NFC East last year. They managed to get hot at an opportune time.

Even then, they almost managed to beat the Cards after spotting them a huge lead in the first half.

The Iggles made moves to upgrade their OL, the season will tell if they did or not. I think they went in the wrong direction. They should have signed Derrick Ward instead. Their whole offense revolves around not McNabb, but Westbrook. Westbrook is on the field and healthy, the offense is very good. Westbrook off the field/injured/neutralized, they can't do anything.

That's how the Skins beat them twice last year, by neutralizing Westbrook. That's how the Cards beat them in the NFC Championship game.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles D will be as messed up in the beginning of the year as the skins were when Taylor died.

Lost their coach. Lost their star safety and his replacement. Starting End is gonna be suspended for a few games now.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles D will be as messed up in the beginning of the year as the skins were when Taylor died.

Lost their coach. Lost their star safety and his replacement. Starting End is gonna be suspended for a few games now.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Re: Eagles Line - Shawn Andrews can't get on the practice field as the RT due to back problems......

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 5, 2009 11:50 AM

Seems like I've been reading about all sorts of O-line problems in the NFC East (did something happen to Dallas' center, or maybe NYG's?). Might be one of those seasons where the 'short passing game' is going to make all the difference in the NFC East.

At what point do the Skins turn back to Lozo to play O-line? Or Sellers ... the guy IS huge.

Posted by: dcsween | August 5, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: learnedhand1 | August 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

sign runyon. he's a mean prick with another year left on that tub of a body. let him blindside some eagles at the end of plays for a change.

Posted by: chris_zz | August 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

My money is on Joe Bugel. He knows what it takes and how to get it. From experience, too. The line will be there when it's needed.

Posted by: qball43 | August 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins haven't even had their intra-squad scrimmage yet, so I'm not prepared to write that Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrto (sic) blew it again."

Yeah, seeing as how you're the team's new beat reporter I would advise you not to write that at any time this season, no matter what happens. It doesn't exactly scream "professionalism".

The success or failure of our O-line is not the responsibility of 2 men alone. How about the scouts that scouted the draft picks and FA's? Or the coaches, including Bugel and Zorn, who are responsible for training these guys and putting the pieces together?

Or, GASP, what if we even hold the players accountable themselves? Shocking I know. It's much easier to blame Snyder for Rinehard not being an All-Pro in his first season than the actual player. I mean, why wasn't Vinny out there working with him in the weigh room or teaching the kid the playbook? IT's LIKE THEY WANT THESE GUYS TO FAIL!

The quality of writing in here has sunk right back to where it was mired before...thanks.

Posted by: McMetal | August 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Eli Manning is the highest paid player in the NFL?

Discuss among yourselves.

Posted by: dpc2003 | August 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

This OL is problematic to begin with, and with one injury could be a complete disaster.

Orakpo is good, and he's fast, but he should not be owning Chris Samuels. That makes me very worried about what's going to happen when the Giants come to town with a healthy DL and LB corps. Jansen fell off a cliff in terms of his ability, we may be seeing Samuels teetering on that same cliff.
==================================

I have no problem criticizing the oline but without our #2 pick this year we were in a bind. Unless you're suggesting taking oher over orakpo (which I wouldn't, personal preference) there weren't many clear free agent upgrades to be had. We got two of them. I hope daniels is right though.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Free agent upgrades? Who's talking about free agent upgrades? JR made a very valid point about the draft. Even without a #2 there were good OL left when the Redskins picked.

Round 3-Redskins take CB Kevin Barnes. Just why did the Redskins need a CB more than OL? The top C in the draft was on the board at that point, as were very good OT prospects Jamon Meredith and Duke Robinson.

The Skins could even have gotten one of those two in the 5th round but Vinny chose to take a LB who missed half his senior season because he got booted off the team. And the LB in question has only played one half season of LB in his life! Most NFL personnel people had Glenn as a 6th or 7th rounder or perhaps a free agent signee. Not a 5th round pick!

The Redskins ignored many, many opportunities to get younger and get more depth on the OL for two LBs, one of whom was barely draftable according to other teams boards, another TE when the TE they drafted last year still can't get on the field, and a WR when the WRs they drafted last year still can't all get on the field.

That insanity is why the Redskins OL will likely be bad again this year. Of course Vinny and Danny will learn nothing from it, blame Campbell, and run a good QB out of town so Danny can go draft Tebow, who probably isn't suited to play QB in the NFL.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | August 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't we say the same thing about the offensive line every year? Snyder says JC has to perform or he's gone, yet he refuses to get JC the tools that will give him the best chance to be successful. It wouldn't surprise me if Snyder is trying to ensure that JC fails. He'll probably invest draft picks on offensive linemen when JC is gone and Colt Brennan is the starter.

Posted by: stwasm | August 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the stellar info Jason!!
I'm making a note....162 games in a baseball season and 16 in a football season...ok got it! Keep up the great insightful work!

Posted by: jessejackonsadonkey | August 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The o-line is old and slow.

Period.

J.Campbell better have a resume handy, it's going to be a long season for him.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskins sign DJ Hackett... waive Roydell Williams... source espn.com

Posted by: tony325 | August 5, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels got beat on a regular basis last year, it shouldnt be a surprise that Orakpo is beating him.

He is way overrated, and didnt deserve a pro bowl last year

Posted by: kreator6996 | August 5, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

correction... news on SI.com

Posted by: tony325 | August 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Somebody needs to tell Snyder that Levi Jones and John Runyan play on defense so he'll sign them.

Posted by: RIP-21 | August 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | August 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

fair enough. I'm still not sure the 5th round OLs would save us at this point but it's true Cody Glenn was probably not the move in the 5th. I wasn't as high on Meredith and Robinson as many people, but I'd take them over Cody. For whatever reason, I feel like Henson will contribute. Morocco has been good in late round evaluation so I can only guess he liked Eddie williams more than the late round linemen available, but it was a head scratcher.

Posted by: AdamCr | August 5, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

...thanks Vinnie, nice job evaluating talent along the OLine. You are one morononic GM, consistently rated the worst in the league by your peers, for good reason.

When are you going to wake up Danny and see that this is your team's BIGGEST weakness?? Geesh...get a real GM in place, would you please!

Posted by: oddjob1 | August 5, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Now some of you JC haters have a better understandin gof the duress he was under all year and why Portis collapsed the second half of the year . Our offensive line SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | August 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Patience, patience, patience. Oops! Too late. Same old story. 3 of these guys have been together forever and they still don't have it down. Come on. At what point do you get honest and say that they just are no good. How Samuels makes pro bowls is beyond me. He's as bad as the rest of them. At what point do you blame the FO for totally ignoring the O-Line for 10 years now.

Posted by: larrypalma | August 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

SO all the players the redskins Brass looked at this year none were O-Linemen?????????

Posted by: xrendellx | August 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

'As for second-year guard/tackle Chad Rinehart, well, he seems to be a really nice kid as well.'

Yeah, a nice kid is just who need taking the nfl's monster dlineman.

There is no overreaction about the state of the oline. They sucked during the 2-6 slide last year yet we spent $100mill on getting Haynesworth then drafted Orakpo.

Oline will suck this year even worse, and be the undoing of Campbell and Zorn.

Meanwhile the D will be a ferocious, head knocking unit that will be a joy to watch

Posted by: divi3 | August 5, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

There are only so many positions the Redskins could fill with last year's draft... in hindsight it would of been nice to have that Jason Taylor pick back so we could of taken an O-Lineman.

From everything we hear, Orakpo is the real deal physically, not to mention he is a smart player that picks things up quickly... We keep hearing that he is beating Samuels alot, this is a good thing considering Samuels is down to 305 lbs, he should be lighter on his feet than a year ago. Also, it speaks for the speed of Orakpo, which is what we wanted when we drafted him.

Next year's draft obviously has to be used to restock the O-Line... The 'skins will have all our picks except for the 3rd Round Jarmon pick to restock. What really is hurting the line is the lack of progress from Chad Rhinehart... third round picks after 3 years in the league, should at least be a reliable backup if not a starter.

The O-line still only has 1 question mark when they are healthy which is RT. As it appears Heyer is gonna have to be the guy there. It's the same line that got us to 6-2 last year. If Samuels & Heyer stay healthy, then we have Bridges & others to fill in the middle if there is any injury. The 'skins should be able to survive this IF those 2 can stay healthy.

You can't fix all your faults in a single offseason... at least this team couldn't, but we will be DOMINANT on Defense... 4th place rankings don't mean anything if your not creating turnovers & giving the offense short fields/scoring TD's like Baltimore's Defense does.

Posted by: tony325 | August 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

As Herm Edwards said, this is why you play the game. If we go by sports writers and fans the cardinals would have never been to the superbowl last year and the patriots would have been champs the year before.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 5, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

CJMARTIN04,

Word. I don't know why Sir Rotto refuses to draft O-linemen. I'm beginning to think he is doing it out of spite against Skins fans who keep bringing it up. It's almost as though he wants to prove that he will not be 'pressured' into anything. Maybe he wants to prove his personnel acumen by thinking 'asymmetrically', as dumb as the end result may be. Come to think of it, maybe he is straight up stupid. Maybe he and/or Snyder learned Gibbs' outdated, circa early 80's rule that linemen should not be drafted early, if at all.

Whatever his reasoning, it's already looking like the offense will be as ugly this year as it was last. I mean, the O-Line is looking bad IN PRACTICE against FELLOW REDSKINS in NON-GAME CONDITIONS. The only option we have as I see it is to trade a high draft pick (which I hate to do), or one of our excellent cornerbacks/safeties (Rogers, Horton, which I also hate to do, although we may lose Rogers soon anyway). Something has to be done, or this is going to be one excruciatingly tedious 13 ppg season for Skins fans.

Posted by: SammyT1 | August 5, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I may have been born at night...but it wasn't LAST night.

This line has been bad for over 3 years now and the 'brain trust' (how pathetic is THAT)didn't address it...oh no, they can turn 450lbs couch potatoes into All-Pros and bring back has-beens...on BOTH lines.

The Danny must pay well for a guy from the heyday of the 49ers to be reduced to fetching his racquetballs and greenlighting his idiotic personnel moves. Vinny could not get a job ANYWHERE else in the NFL; his experience is trumped by this constant stupidity of he and the Danny running this team like fantasy football.

When JC ends up flat on his back, don't blame him, don't blame Zorn or coaching, blame the Danny and his 'Igor' for continuing to ruin the tradition of this franchise. If I didn't know better, I'd swear he was born & raised in Dallas instead of Bethesda with the way he sabotages this team.

Posted by: kahlua87 | August 5, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are right to preach patience with the O line. First of all, it will take a new GM who realizes that the O Line is a more important component of an offense than either the QB, running backs, or receivers. This could take decades to transpire.

Second, the Skins o-line is well below average when the starters are completely healthy. Apparently, they are far from healthy. Patience indeed.....

Posted by: jack_mo_99 | August 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, I am in complete agreement with CJMARTIN04 on all counts. I think that on some level, Cerrato is trying to spite the fans by neglecting the O Line!

Posted by: jack_mo_99 | August 5, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Another 7-9 or 8-8 season is in the works with a perpetually pitiful O-line. Zorn will take the hit when the Danny gets itchy about another playoff miss. How can the obvious be so obscure to the Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinny?

Posted by: MillPond2 | August 5, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

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