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What I Think: The Zorn Edition

Just when I thought things couldn't get much worse for embattled Coach Jim Zorn, the Redskins lost to the Detroit Lions in a result that ended the Lions' losing streak at 19, Zorn made two questionable decisions early that helped shift momentum to Detroit, and a plane under the control of owner Daniel Snyder was in Denver late Sunday night and reportedly close to the home of former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. Obviously, it's time for another Zorn-heavy installment of Here's What Happened/Here What I Think.

Here's what happened: On the Redskins' first possession against Detroit, Zorn decided to go for it on fourth and one at the Lions' 1-yard. The Redskins ran left, the Lions got great penetration and stopped running back Clinton Portis for no gain.

Here's what I think: With all the chatter last week on sports-talk radio about the Redskins' inept performance in the red zone during the first two games, I figured Zorn would go for it when the Lions stopped them on third down. At the time, I thought going for it was a big mistake because of the momentum factor. Zorn figured there was no way Detroit, or any team, could go 99 yards on the Redskins. He was wrong.

Here's what happened: From their 1-yard line, Detroit moved to Washington's 33, where it faced third and four. Rookie quarterback Matthew Stafford threw an incomplete pass, and backup tight end Casey FitzSimmons was called for offensive pass interference.

If Zorn had declined the penalty, the Lions would have faced a 51-yard field goal attempt. Last season, Detroit place kicker Jason Hanson converted eight field-goal attempts of at least 50 yards.

On third and 13, Stafford scrambled around left end for a 21-yard gain. He teamed with wideout Bryant Johnson for a 21-yard touchdown pass on the next play. The Lions went the length of the field to take a 7-0 lead that stirred confidence on their sideline.

Here's what I think: Talk about a double-whammy of coaching decisions. As soon as Zorn accepted the penalty, I turned to one of my partners on the beat, Rick Maese, and said, "They're going to score a touchdown." I just had a bad vibe about everything for the Redskins from the moment Zorn went for it on fourth down. It almost seems as if Zorn can't do anything right these days.

Here's what happened: There was word out of Colorado on Monday that a Redskins corporate jet had landed at a small airport near the Broncos' practice facility, which, it just so happens, is not too far from the home of former Denver coach Mike Shanahan. The Redskins confirmed the plane was in Colorado, but they said it was not being used for team business. Another company that has access to the plane was using it for business purposes, a team spokesman said.

Here's what I think: Well, that didn't take long. You had to figure speculation and rumors about potential replacements for Zorn would increase after the Redskins dropped to 1-2 with Sunday's loss to the lowly Lions. With the heat rising on Zorn, there figure to be many more reports in the coming weeks about owner Daniel Snyder's supposed interest in others coaches. Zorn really needs a three- or four-game winning streak. And he needs it to happen quickly.

Here's what happened: Top back Clinton Portis has rushed for just 183 yards with a 3.9-yard per-carry average in the first three games. Portis has been slowed because of bone spurs in his ankles, stirring concern in the locker room about the running game for the remainder of the season.

Here's what I think: With all the money Portis has been guaranteed, there also should be a lot of concern in the front office. Portis's disdain for practice and the preseason is well known, so I checked with some players to see if Portis could be exaggerating the problem with his ankles in order to take it easy.

This definitely is not one of Portis's ploys to avoid practice, I was told, and he's doing things he has never done in an effort to remain in the lineup. Before the season, someone asked me to project Portis's yardage total for the season. Portis rushed for 1,487 yards last season, but I wrote he wouldn't gain 1,000 this season. I'm sticking with that.

Here's what happened: The Redskins made defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth the game's highest-paid defensive player with a contract that could be worth as much as $115 million -- he's guaranteed $41 million -- based on performance.

Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, said Haynesworth would make everyone around him better. Although they statistically had the league's fourth-ranked defense last season, the Redskins produced too few sacks and turnovers and struggled to get off the field late in games. The signing of Haynesworth was the centerpiece of the offseason plan to bolster the defense.

Here's what I think: Through three games, the signing isn't working according to plan.

The Lions converted nine of 12 third downs in the first half and 10 of 18 in the game (56 percent). In its first two games, Detroit went eight for 27 on third downs (29.6 percent), last in the NFL.

Lions running back Kevin Smith had 82 of his 101 yards rushing before halftime. He finished with a 6.3-yard per-carry average.

Washington is giving up an average of 325.7 yards and is 15th in total defense after giving up an average of 288.8 yards last season. Washington is giving up 128 rushing yards per game with a 4.4-yard average. Last season, the Redskins limited opponents to 95 yards and a 3.8-yard average. Haynesworth has one of Washington's four sacks and has been credited with nine tackles. The Redskins had just 24 sacks last season.

There's no question Haynesworth is a major force and probably the game's best interior lineman. But because he does his own thing out there a lot, Haynesworth is not a perfect fit for defensive coordinator Greg Blache's disciplined system.

Freelancing in pursuit of the ball helped Haynesworth become one of the NFL's best players, and the Tennessee Titans' coaching staff eventually learned to accept Haynesworth being Haynesworth. But Blache is old school: He expects defensive linemen to maintain their gap responsibility and remain disciplined in executing their assignments throughout the game.

After speaking with people with the Titans, I figured Haynesworth's style could be a problem for Blache, and I wrote about it before camp. I've been told Blache made concessions for Haynesworth, but the Redskins have big issues on defense.

By Jason Reid  |  September 29, 2009; 2:39 PM ET
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Comments

If you ain't first, you're last...

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 29, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

last...

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

last...

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If you ain't first, you're last...

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 29, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Unless you're the only one playing. Then you're both.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Give us some real news, not this recycled garbage.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 29, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

say we all have a blog fight ala the Greasers and the Socs.

I call the C. Thomas Howell character.

I would've called Patrick Swayze's character but I don't want Kanye West interrupting the brawl to tell all of us that while Pat's funeral was good, Michael Jackson had the best funeral of all time.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 3:56 PM

Damn Pony Boy...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I say we all have a blog fight ala the Greasers and the Socs.

I call the C. Thomas Howell character.

I would've called Patrick Swayze's character but I don't want Kanye West interrupting the brawl to tell all of us that while Pat's funeral was good, Michael Jackson had the best funeral of all time.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This continued reporting of Snyder in CO to visit Shanahan is BS.

Adam Schefter reported on it last night and emphatically stated the reason was not to visit Shanahan. Schefter definitely has more connections than WaPo. Especially since Snyder HATES the WaPo.

Not to mention, there is no way Shanahan would accept a coaching position in the middle (actually the beginning) of a season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 29, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Here is what I think, this guy needs to run not walk to the nearest lottery barn and buy all thats available because with such foresight and predictability he could soon became rich overnight. Who knew that Nostrodomis lives

Posted by: redskin8128 | September 29, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

You also wrote about Darrell young making the team, since we're giving ourselves kudos. The haynesworth story is not over. He's helping us, just not enough yet.

Posted by: AdamCr | September 29, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth isn't the problem with this defense.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yo! 09/10 Redskins, I'm happy for you. And Im'ma let you finnish... But the 1940 Redskins had onna tha worst NFL losses of ALL TIIIIME!

Yo! Jim Zorn, I'm happy for you. And I'mma let you finnish... but Steve Spurrier was onna tha worst Redskin coarches of ALL TIIIME!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 29, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that despite their assertions to the contrary, the Washington Redskins are in negotiations with Mike Shanahan to take over the head coaching duties from embattled coach Jim Zorn. The sides are said to be close to an agreement at this time, with an announcement coming later on this week. Shanahan is rumored to have gone over the Redskins current roster, and believes he can win with the current make-up of the team"


What the heck.....can't stand this crap.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Couple things I think:

1. At least Jason Reid is starting to settle down and analyze the problem instead of formless venting. Now if only the rest of us would get the message.

2. Changing coaches three games into a season is, well, not the sign of high-quality professional management or solid ownership. It is, however, a sign of chaos.

If you want to change head coaches, do it at the end of the previous season. Give the new guy the best chance to succeed.

3. The only thing dumber than changing coaches at this juncture is changing QBs. Even if Todd Collins came in and led us on a four game win streak, you'd just be postponing the inevitable. QB changes are best left to the offseason.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 29, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid please tell me my future, and make sure to be cocky about it

Posted by: redskin8128 | September 29, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn picked up the carcass of a coyote off the highway.... and gave him the OC job.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 29, 2009 3:24 PM

Post of the Day

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 29, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Food for thought:

In 2007 when we were on our run to the playoffs we went for it on 4th and Goal early against the Vikings and got stuffed. I was watching it thinking that the momentum swing, on the road, would be huge for Minnesota early in the game. But on their next play, we stuffed them in the end zone for a safety.

I guess my point is that I wasn't that mad at Zorn for going for it against Detroit. The real momentum swing was letting them drive 99 yards for a TD...which a truly dominanat defense would never have let happen...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

here's what happened: We beat the Rams by kicking FG's, possesing the ball, and playing D. Many fans booooed and or complained about the lack of TD's.

here's what I think: The coach felt pressure to air it out and go for TDs, probably because of fan pressure either directly, or indirectly through management. Abandoning your game plan and NOT taking your FGs rarely lead to victory. The fans and the me-me-me-media (sonny, nice work) ruined the Lions game.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 29, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I heard that Dan Synder is Kanye Wests gay-fish-lover.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What happened: Snyder just forked over 100MM to improve a defense that was one of the league's best last season.

Thoughts: so far he looks more like a liability on gap assignments and this defense won't be as good this year. Not to mention it's utterly embarrassing to see his fat @ss sprawled out on the field because he's so winded. Did he really do this much stalling in between plays last year? Jeez

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here is what I think.
Jason Reid is doing nothing more than feeding the frenzy, yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Who is the "insider" ?? sounds more like Reid is simply reading and regurgitating idiot posts from this blog.

Here is what I know.
Redskins fans are dumb, stuck in the past, crying about patience and yelling for the coaches head at the same time.

Posted by: Chocolate_City | September 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that despite their assertions to the contrary, the Washington Redskins are in negotiations with Mike Shanahan to take over the head coaching duties from embattled coach Jim Zorn. The sides are said to be close to an agreement at this time, with an announcement coming later on this week. Shanahan is rumored to have gone over the Redskins current roster, and believes he can win with the current make-up of the team"


What the heck.....can't stand this crap.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:06 PM


Sorry dude, not enough paragraph seperation or 1 line paragraph's to be believable.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: Dan Snyder bought the team and got lots of fans excited and hopeful for a return to glory.

Here's what I think: Dan Syder sucks dead coyote balls.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

SIX FLAGS TEAMS WITH REDSKINS TO OFFER OCTOBER FRIGHT FEST PROMOTION

In a clever cross-marketing initiative designed to celebrate the Halloween season throughout the month of October, the Washington Redskins are teaming up with the Washington area Six Flags amusement park franchise to offer a month-long Fright Fest for Washington area football fans, friends and families.

Everyone attending Redskin home games at FEDEX Field this October will be invited to enter the spirit of the Halloween season by shouting out loud, rousing and offensive BOOS and catcalls every time a Redskin player makes another boneheaded play. The most obnoxious fans will then be given an opportunity to text and tweet their sentiments to selected members of the Washington inactive player bench and practice squads –- and earn free tickets to the nearby Six Flags amusement park to enjoy the park’s ongoing Fright Fest celebration.

The fun begins on October 4 when the Washington Redskins host the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in a battle for burial in the graveyard of the National Football League standings. Washington is 1-2 thus far this season following an embarrassingly narrow win at home against the hapless St Louis Rams, and uninspired away losses to the New York Giants and Detroit Lions.

Along the way, the team has played some of the worse football ever seen in the history of the franchise -- leading many Washington supporters calling for the head of Head Coach Jim Zorn -- either on a pike or in a bucket. Likewise, Tampa Bay is winless this season with an embarrassing 0-3 record.

In keeping with the spirit of the season, the Redskins will dress several players in Halloween-themed costumes, including its dim candlelit pumpkinhead of a quarterback (Jack O’Lantern Campbell), several zombies awkwardly shuffling their way through the final years of their contracts, a mere skeleton of a functional offensive line, and a defensive secondary that is said to be even more porous and wispy than the Ghostly Trio. Also scheduled to appear (subject to availability) are Invisible Man Clinton Portis and Big Blobby Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: Vic1 | September 29, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a time machine I am desperate to see some good Redskins football, I miss Daryl Green, and Art Monk so much that it hurts when I pee.

Posted by: redskin8128 | September 29, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Adam reports a story that he knows to be a non-story.

Very good journalism there.

Claiming the Haynesworth signing is a bust is over the top. He's been fine - afterall, he isn't the one allowing WR's and TE's to run free in the middle of the field.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 29, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:
The Redskins plane was in Colorado to pick up Shanahan.

Here's what happened:
Shanahan said "No"

Posted by: isnadd | September 29, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 I don't agree with you much on here but I will gladly defend your right to say any and all of the stupid BS that consistently streams from that round useless hole in the center of your face.

HTTR!

Posted by: mack1 | September 29, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:

Snyder is a certified fuqtard. he flew to Denver to try to get Cutler and then realized he was no longer there. To save face had his assistant leak the Shanahan bit. Reid fell right into the trap. Three fair (at best) recycled blog posts and 800 idiotic comments later, here we are on RI and we still dont have a coach or a QB (besides Tom rofl Collins and Chase "mini-me" Daniels)

Posted by: prescrunk | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Food for thought:

In 2007 when we were on our run to the playoffs we went for it on 4th and Goal early against the Vikings and got stuffed. I was watching it thinking that the momentum swing, on the road, would be huge for Minnesota early in the game. But on their next play, we stuffed them in the end zone for a safety.

I guess my point is that I wasn't that mad at Zorn for going for it against Detroit. The real momentum swing was letting them drive 99 yards for a TD...which a truly dominanat defense would never have let happen...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

A couple of things

1. The play they ran on 4th down failed three times before to convert in short yardage situations. Maybe it shouldn't be the #1 goal line run has Zorn has mentioned.

2. The real problem was giving the Lions a second chance to convert the 3rd. The defense to date has had issues stopping 3rd down plays, particularly 3rd and long. Zorn is viewing this defense through the prism of last year's accomplishment.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

***Repost***

scamp, all's good. I'm done with talking politico, never tried to start in the first place.

And one more thing mattylight, the difference with scamp venting about Obama and me venting about Zorn is this: Football relevancy.

You know, this being a REDSKINS blog and all. But maybe I'm trippin'...


Rich, who the f are you? Seriously.

Hit me up at phenomenalvaswag@yahoo.com

No bs.
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Ayo mattylight, I do what I do straight like that. I don't curse people out or take cheap shots at them, at least not right off. Only time I get ill on a mf'er is when they bring that s*** first. There have been PLENTY of people that I've disagreed with, but haven't editorially cursed them out. I've engaged in exchanging a difference of opinion with a lot up here, but as always and like most people, your ass only wants to see the negative. I'd say it seems that you most certainly do have a problem with me, and if you do the email address is listed above, in case you want to get in more detail.

Now I might have an EDITED profanity filled post, yea sure. But you know what? That's me, It's what I do. I don't have to come up here talking proper or like some professional. WTF? A professional blogger is what you're asking me to be?

Look, if my language offends you, I would apologize, but it's something that you'll have to deal with. 'Cause the post ain't block me yet, ya dig?

Again, deal with it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's what we do:

We make a giant Albert Haynesworth dummy and roll it out on the field for the first defensive series. We roll it in to the Bucs backfield and out from springs seven little people in Tampa Bay uniforms that get Tampa Bay called for too many men on the field. After we do this several times we will have them backed up to their goal line and that is when we catapault the real Albert Haynesworth into the backfield to land on the QB for a safety. I call this the "Trojan Albert" play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: I just went to the bathroom.

Here's I think: Boy did I eat alot of corn last night.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

On Zorn and his controversial calls.

On 4th and 1 at the goal line, I agreed with Zorn's decision and his logic following the game. The play call that followed was, ummmm, uninspired.

Accepting the penalty was a shock and a terrible decision. If the guy makes a 50 yard FG, good for him. Wort case is its only 3 points and your defense is off the field. If he misses, you have great field position.

The final play was an awful call. Either go end zone or try to get 12 yards on an out pattern (it was 4th down -- 8 seconds was plenty of time to run a 12 yard out) if the Lions went prevent. 10 yards and a bunch of laterals? Seriously? Ugh!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

So, basically we are screwed.

Posted by: daddy00 | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

HERE'S WHAT I THINK: Danny Snyder is telling Jim Zorn that he is "His Man" and has the full support of Danny-Poo.

HERE'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN: Against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Danny Snyder will coach the team dressed in a Napoleon Military Uniform. He will even come charging out on a White Horse, posing at the 50 yard line with the horse standing on its two hind legs. He will then guillotine Vinny Cerrato at half time.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 I don't agree with you much on here but I will gladly defend your right to say any and all of the stupid BS that consistently streams from that round useless hole in the center of your face.

HTTR!

Posted by: mack1 | September 29, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse
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Wow. What tolerance.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok, here's what I think about that plane in Denver-

It's probably an psychological ploy to get the team back in focus. (scoffs) Very lame.

Do you think Shanahan would want to put himself under an embarrassing light where the Redskins are now? No.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike Myers: It's very important to rally behind this team when they get into the red zone because they need our help.

Kanye West: Jim Zorn doesn't care about field goals... I hate the way he portrays 4th downs. Every time there's big problems he says 'we're gonna kick ourselves because of the one or two details we got wrong'.

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Jon Gruden .... if you must, absolutely are making a change....fine.

Mike Shannahan ..... really?!?uuuuuugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the Ravens look pretty damn good right about now

Posted by: Chocolate_City | September 29, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's what we do:

We make a giant Albert Haynesworth dummy and roll it out on the field for the first defensive series. We roll it in to the Bucs backfield and out from springs seven little people in Tampa Bay uniforms that get Tampa Bay called for too many men on the field. After we do this several times we will have them backed up to their goal line and that is when we catapault the real Albert Haynesworth into the backfield to land on the QB for a safety. I call this the "Trojan Albert" play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2009 4:17 PM

Or Tampa goes on a 99-yard drive.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Do you think Shanahan or Cowher would be stupid enough to take the job? Sure they'll make oodles of money, but they'll ruin their coaching reputation when they can't win thanks to Snyder and Cerrato. Plus, even if they got total control, it would take them longer than Snyder is willing to wait to build a winner.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think: Anyone who stalks Redskins One flight plans is a LOSER!!

And I think I'll take the Patrick Swayze character - mature, level headed, holding down the fort...

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975 I don't agree with you much on here but I will gladly defend your right to say any and all of the stupid BS that consistently streams from that round useless hole in the center of your face.

HTTR!

Posted by: mack1 | September 29, 2009 4:15 PM

Good thing I don't give a phuk what your dumba$$ thinks then. Ask your sis what that hole's good for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

A couple of things

1. The play they ran on 4th down failed three times before to convert in short yardage situations. Maybe it shouldn't be the #1 goal line run has Zorn has mentioned.

2. The real problem was giving the Lions a second chance to convert the 3rd. The defense to date has had issues stopping 3rd down plays, particularly 3rd and long. Zorn is viewing this defense through the prism of last year's accomplishment.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I can see your points. I am only saying I wasn't too angry that Zorn went for it -- not necessarily thrilled with the play call. Also -- and I guess it's a fine line -- but if you can't rely on a defense that had a bunch of expensive additions in the offseason on a third and forever, then I don't know what to say, you know?

In my opinion, on both instances, Zorn said I trust my offense and I trust my defense. Execution notwithstanding, I didn't have a huge problem with that...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Or Tampa goes on a 99-yard drive.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop

That could never happen. Our defense is just too good for that, right? Right?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

HERE'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN: Against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Danny Snyder will coach the team dressed in a Napoleon Military Uniform. He will even come charging out on a White Horse, posing at the 50 yard line with the horse standing on its two hind legs. He will then guillotine Vinny Cerrato at half time.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | September 29, 2009 4:18 PM |

What I think will REALLY happen: Synder will travel back in time, ala Bill and Ted, gather up the REAL Napoleon, Genghis Kahn, Billy The Kid, etc. who will all come out before the game and just take it to the Bucs.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Again, deal with it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, that's fine. You can do what you want. I said my piece and I don't think that there's much left to add...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Here's what I think:

The skins will face a 4th and one or 4th and goal against the Bucs and Zorn will go for it. Yet again, he’ll predictably run Portis off left tackle and not get it.

Here's what will happen:

I'll have to fly to D.C. and slap him... unless Snyder beats me to it.

Posted by: Redskinrex | September 29, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What I am about to say will not mean anythign to anyone up here under 30 (maybe 35.)

THOM YORK AND FLEA HAVE FORMED A SUPER-BAND.
I repeat
THOM YORK AND FLEA HAVE FORMED A SUPER-BAND.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Chocolate_City ("Drama City" these days), what is your thought on Zorn possibly being replaced?

Sort of hard to tell where you stand.

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to start anything with you Chocolate_City, I'm asking a serious question. I won't curse you out, I don't even want to. But if you prefer me to do so, I'd probably should get the blogger 'mattylight' permission to do so first.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is rumored to have gone over the Redskins current roster, and believes he can win with the current make-up of the team"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

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I think you made this an obvious joke with that line right there.

Posted by: REXskins | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Look, if my language offends you, I would apologize, but it's something that you'll have to deal with. 'Cause the post ain't block me yet, ya dig?

Again, deal with it.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:16 PM

mattylight, remember as long as the apology comes AFTER 5 minutes it's ok so Red is clear on this one. If it's before, it's against the rules and he doesn't really mean it. Please try to adhere to the strict moral code on the Insider.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, how's married life?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This just in... Dan Snyder was seen eating a red licorice stick while listening to Godsmack in his office. Red licorice sticks are Jon Gruden's favorite snack and we all know his daughter listens to Godsmack, right? Shortly after the licorice stick Snyder was overheard saying he was going to the Jon. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Last time I saw Flea he was with Tom Morello's Nightwatchman here in Hollywood.

Not only did Flea come out and jam, but so did Perry Ferrell, Dave Navarro, Stuart Copeland, Travis Barker, Steve Vai, Wayne Kramer, Jerry Cantrell, Slash, B-Real, and Sen-Dog.

And it was only $10.00.

Talk about under-paying for quality entertainment, unlike doing the complete opposite for the Redskins.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

THOM YORK AND FLEA HAVE FORMED A SUPER-BAND.

Posted by: alex35332

I'm 26 and I know what that means, why are you posting it here though.

Posted by: REXskins | September 29, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Good thing I don't give a phuk what your dumba$$ thinks then. Ask your sis what that hole's good for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 4:20 PM

You're welcome sissy.

Posted by: mack1 | September 29, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see Moose is back. Moose, your wife wants to know if you're done shaving your back and scrubbing the old doritos and cheetos crumbs off your fingertips.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, that's fine. You can do what you want. I said my piece and I don't think that there's much left to add...

Posted by: mattylight

Well you're a lying piece of s***, and that's my piece.

It's kinda low to try and go and falsely accuse someone of always trying to pick fights, when I know damn well I don't. Like I said, there have been plenty of people that I've had a good natured back and forth with, but you for some reason want to project me as otherwise.

You're a lying pathetic piece of s***.

Now I'm done mf'er, or wasn't that enough curse words for your b***ass?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone actually listen to Godsmack? If they do, I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, how's married life?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse
***********

Not married yet! (Hey, I've only been engaged for almost 2 years!)

Hopefully end of April 2010 (less than 7 months away, and yes, we have no concrete plans!)

But living in sin fantastic! (Just miss DC! - although we'll be there this weekend.)

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm 26 and I know what that means, why are you posting it here though.

Posted by: REXskins | September 29, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding I am posting it everywhere I can think of, I have run around my office like paul revere telling everyone!

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

You're a lying pathetic piece of s***.

Now I'm done mf'er, or wasn't that enough curse words for your b***ass?

Posted by: RedDMV
----------------------

Wish I could see this kind of intensity out of the Redskins on Sundays.

Posted by: REXskins | September 29, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

What I am about to say will not mean anythign to anyone up here under 30 (maybe 35.)

THOM YORK AND FLEA HAVE FORMED A SUPER-BAND.
I repeat
THOM YORK AND FLEA HAVE FORMED A SUPER-BAND.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It means I just lost a ton of respect for Flea.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This just in... Dan Snyder was seen eating a red licorice stick while listening to Godsmack in his office. Red licorice sticks are Jon Gruden's favorite snack and we all know his daughter listens to Godsmack, right? Shortly after the licorice stick Snyder was overheard saying he was going to the Jon. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

hahaha

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

So basically, Mr. Reid, you're saying that you were right and everyone else was wrong. Wow, that's...profound.

As for Zorn, while I agree there are some serious issues with his overall offensive philosophy, I seem to recall a certain fervent reaction from Redskins Nation over the (imminent) hire of one Jim Fassel--the man who was also expected to help groom his coordinator and add some much needed offensive input.
It would be easy to say that the fans are responsible for this egregious state of the franchise, but obviously, the more pressing issue at hand is how poorly the front office has behaved. Is it safe to say that Jason Campbell is not an ideal West Coast quarterback? Although he is physically on par with, say, Matthew Hasselback and Donovan McNabb, his comfort level is clearly not there, nor is line protection in the least bit respectable. This team was always built for a power-running game and rhythmic, play-action passing. Why hasn't Cerrato realized this?

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | September 29, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Now, if you all want to get into some good mucic. Here ya go:

Austrian Death Machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Death_Machine

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 29, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Moose, are you done with reciting your five hail mary's?

I'm not the dumbass that clicked on the 'submit' button, then tried to back track once I realized I made an ass out of myself. That was you, Moose.

The theme today is: Deal With It. I suggest you hold hands with mattylight and sing along.

And jackass, mattylight wasn't apologizing, just busy being a piece of s*** lying a-hole. Sort of like you, but not quite.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The story about Sean Taylor's mother is awful - basically upset because the money train stopped when he was murdered. I take care of my Mom a little bit now that I am older, but if I died tomorrow, she wouldn't be looking for her piece of the pie (even though it'd be only $1000).

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

mattylight, remember as long as the apology comes AFTER 5 minutes it's ok so Red is clear on this one. If it's before, it's against the rules and he doesn't really mean it. Please try to adhere to the strict moral code on the Insider.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

How long has passed and you're still going on about this?

Is Red the first person to not accept an apology from you? Is there a law regarding apologies stating that everyone must believe they are sincere for it to count?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 29, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sh@tstain, I mean Poopy, I am back and looking at the posts since I left it looks like you never left. It must be nice not to work and live in your mom's basement and be able to post 3rd grade material all day long. Since you have my imaginary wife there, maybe you can actually do something productive with your life and get laid. I'm sure your right hand could use a breather.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, there is no way Shanahan would accept a coaching position in the middle (actually the beginning) of a season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | September 29, 2009 3:59 PM

The position would be consultant. He'd go in and kick butt with the coaching staff. Snyder would do it himself, but he has no credibility.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 29, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Few coaches make good GMs and even fewer know how to do both jobs at once. But any of the top coaches are unlikely to come here with the current mgmt structure. These coaches, Shanahan included, are going to want more control than they should be given.

What is most intriguing to me is that Vinny is not a 100% disaster. Used wisely, he could be an asset. Like Zorn, Vinny is in over his head. Mike Shanahan as a president or GM and HC would also be in over his head.

But can a balance be struck? In the recent offseason, I'm reasonably sure that a HC Shanahan would have had enough power to insure that the OL situation would have been a high priority in the draft -- even if he wasn't presdient or GM.

The politics of the situation are difficult, but hardly intractable. It'll take mgmt insight to solve this ... something that hasn't been around in DC in the Snyder era.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think: Haynesworth doesn't have the discipline to play defensive tackle. But he is way too talented not to in their on every down. Move him to defensive end as his previous coach in Indianapolis did. Go back to the tackle rotation used last year. Stop the run.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What is most intriguing to me is that Vinny is not a 100% disaster. Used wisely, he could be an asset. Like Zorn, Vinny is in over his head. Mike Shanahan as a president or GM and HC would also be in over his head.

But can a balance be struck? In the recent offseason, I'm reasonably sure that a HC Shanahan would have had enough power to insure that the OL situation would have been a high priority in the draft -- even if he wasn't presdient or GM.

The politics of the situation are difficult, but hardly intractable. It'll take mgmt insight to solve this ... something that hasn't been around in DC in the Snyder era.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah man I am with you. I am just afraid of hiring Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren or anyone like that cause I don't think it would work if they both had HC and GM duties...it rarely does...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: Neglecting real problems with the team, Dan Snyder (via Vinny Cerrato) made a big off-season free agent splash in 2009 while undermining the team's QB and coming up snake eyes in yet another draft. People believed anyway and are now shocked (shocked!) the Skins are doing poorly. The WaPo is telling everyone to hold off judgment, even though they said the same thing while the same thing was going down in 2008.

Here's what I think: Expect the exact same scenario in 2010.

Posted by: rfjh1 | September 29, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis, I was just trying to lighten the mood for the people unfortunate enough to read through the whole exchange. I really don't care either way.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: Moose made a moronic statement about Tanya Synder

Here's what I think: Moose was just blowing off steam because, just this morning, he got fired from Jack In The Box. Now he can't even pay for 'Skins tickets.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No matter how many times I try to pick a fight with RedDMV, he never bites! I'm mad as ish!

F that bama dude Red....

Slap Box Fight @ 4:45pm today....Be there or be Sqaured....

(Also from previous post, I get called out by my fellow associates for not backing Obama. And I SMH at them all the time because they are the 'My President is Black' crew. But I keep telling them Hiliary would've helped you out waaay more than Obama. And it is ringing true now.)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

PortisStr8, the dude feels guilty about what he posted earlier otherwise, why bring it up roughly four hours later?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Great comeback poopy, you're on a roll.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read that story about ST's mom, and come away feeling weird about the whole thing?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - As I said in the last post....Shanahan and Schefter are Butt Buddies. Schefter wrote his biography book.

You can't believe Scefter because he is carrying Shanahan's water....

And F RedDMV just cuz......with his old Uncle Elroy wit a Deuce-Duece can of Steel Reserve 211 babbling MoFo a$$....WHAT!??!

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 29, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis, I was just trying to lighten the mood for the people unfortunate enough to read through the whole exchange. I really don't care either way.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Alright man.
Was just saying cuz I sat through the earlier exchange. And when you posted that I thought you were trying to start it up again.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 29, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Death_Machine


Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Get to da choppa!

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read that story about ST's mom, and come away feeling weird about the whole thing?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Where did you read it, Bean?

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

BEan post it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 29, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

4th you're a MontGo Co. transparent ol' bama dude. Slap box? Aye, now that's what's up! The email above is valid:

phenomenalvaswag@yahoo.com

Holla!

And careful what you wish for. If I do "take it there", I'm liable to curse, and to do that I need mattylight's permission to do so, because he has virgin ears and this is family blog.

He'll take offense to my abrasive posting style.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a spare medical cart? I heard Fat Al just got out Coldstone and had one too many milkshakes. He's lying on the sidewalk in the fetal position and yelling that he just pulled his fart muscle.

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Here is what happened: I had nothing to do so I decided to read this column hoping for some news, but the same garbage that some people call - mistakenly - analysis was what I read.
Here is what I think: The Washington Post is trying to save money by hiring people cheap people and passing them as reporters.

Here is what happened: The night turned into day

Here is what I think: The day will turn into night.

Posted by: opita1 | September 29, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Alright man.
Was just saying cuz I sat through the earlier exchange. And when you posted that I thought you were trying to start it up again.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 29, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Nah, I paid the price for my comment. Nothing like the RI setting you straight.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 29, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

wait, wait... My bad. He just needed a coke to settle his stomach. He's fine now, guys.

Posted by: pgugino | September 29, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read that story about ST's mom, and come away feeling weird about the whole thing?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

That she comes off as a money grubber thankless woman? Yep, I got that impression as well. She wants to get paid for nothing.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | September 29, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read that story about ST's mom, and come away feeling weird about the whole thing?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Bean, that was weird...don't really know what to think about it...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Suzanne, how's married life?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse
***********

Not married yet! (Hey, I've only been engaged for almost 2 years!)

Hopefully end of April 2010 (less than 7 months away, and yes, we have no concrete plans!)

But living in sin fantastic! (Just miss DC! - although we'll be there this weekend.)

Posted by: suzannepdc


Ooops, thought you were in the Carribean getting hitched. My bad. Glad to hear to things are fantastic (I ask why you'd want to mess with that ... but that's a guy thing)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

that was hands down the worst article you have ever written.
oh jason. you are so smart. you called it all. you knew the outcome before it happened. you are amazing.
is that what you wanted to hear? lets get some facts and if you dont have facts than save your self promotion for your facebook page.
articles like that are so counter-productive. your buying into all the bull that has our players in a frenzy. you should be the person to point out that ITS WEEK 3. we got 13 more and the detroit lions arent that bad. they put up 27 against the saints, almost topped the vikings, and beat us by 5 at their home stadium.
relax dog. try some positivity like...lets beat the bucs and this is how we're gonna do it.

Posted by: micahutt | September 29, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

it was kind of like how you feel after you talk with a used car sales-person.....like you need to shower to get that grease, that film they leave in their wake on you......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard anything about the flag that was picked up for the facemasking on SM89 during a crucial point on one of the skins 4th qtr drives? I haven't heard any mention of it... even the announcers called it a bad non-call!!!!

Posted by: bleed-burgundy-n-gold | September 29, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Anybody want two tixs section 417 row 25 seats 1 and 2 for $75 total? I have 4 only using 2

Posted by: drewkinnear | September 29, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

anyone else read that story about ST's mom, and come away feeling weird about the whole thing?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Bean, that was weird...don't really know what to think about it...

Posted by: mattylight | September 29, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Read the 1st page, didn't want to read any further.

In ST's case it's true more money more problems. Everybody wants a piece of the pie.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 29, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

But living in sin fantastic!

Posted by: suzannepdc

Which specific sin(s) are you living in and do you recommend them for everyone?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 29, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

F YOU 4th!!!! You ol' Baby Huey in the 60s, Loco "At that age dey don't ask no questions" actin' in "South Central", MontGo Co. hailin' bama f!!!

Yeah, what up, joe?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The defense is allowing third-down conversions 51.2% of the time, worst in the league.
-USA Today

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 29, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm ... Here's what I think: You'll all soon be Natinals fans ignoring the ho-hum ridiculous circus and soap opera that is the Redskins knowing Danny is worst than Al Davis.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest- no worries. We were in Grand Cayman in April scoping it out - WAY too expensive. Thinking the Playa del Carmen area right now.

I'm marrying him for his money (kidding!) just want to make sure we have the legal protections that come with marriage. Otherwise, nothing will change.

I am making him a Caps fan since he really doesn't have any affiliation with a hockey team, so that's good news (and he does cheer for the Skins, which is usually more than I do for his Patriots).

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

BKskins, that's inflated because of the 75% they yielded to the Lions.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

oops, meant August.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

You just have to love the so called experts.
I'm sitting here watching washington post live with their round table of experts and they're just piling on the skins talking about how they can't run right,because they don't have the linemen.while they a playing a video of Portis running right for 12,and 8 yards a pop.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | September 29, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Peri, I root for the Nationals, but f them right now.

The Wizards open up training in a few days.

Championship.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

jumbo, they only did it four times I think. If they were to do that on a consistent basis, I think they'd be stuffed more times than not.

Call it the element of surprise. It can only last for so long. Right now defenses are wired to stop the 'skins from running left because that's all they do.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

FIRE VINNY CERRATO

FIRE VINNY CERRATO

NOTHING CHANGES UNTIL YOU FIRE VINNY CERRATO

Posted by: ThisGuy | September 29, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest- no worries. We were in Grand I'm marrying him for his money (kidding!) just want to make sure we have the legal protections that come with marriage. Otherwise, nothing will change.

Posted by: suzannepdc

"Otherwise, nothing will change."

I've heard that one before ... :)

fwiw, my favorite statement about weddings came from a woman who told me, "I wish I'd spent more time working on the marriage and less time working on the wedding."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what Lord Farquad does(aka
the Danny)it will turn to crap. I bet John Cooke is
laughing himself silly. The curse goes on.

Posted by: pickps1 | September 29, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Fish dealt with the Chiefs to get Thigpen to replace Pennington, and the Beagles just cut Garcia... We should've dealt JC to the Fish for a second rounder and picked up Garcia either to start or to back up Collins, then draft one of the top QB's next April.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 29, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

this may be old (I'm at work - you know - actually doing work) but the Eagles released Jeff Garcia

Posted by: coparker5 | September 29, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

here's what I think happen Sunday

1. The fans should sing "I've lost that loving feeling" at the opening kickoff(remember Tom Cruise in Top Gun) a great homage to how the fans feel about the team.

2. Rookie QB again this week what is rule #1 for rookie QBs? Blitz them! Put 8, 9 nine one the line of scrimmage and send 7 if it is a pass. Stop the run and make the kid throw the ball with pressure coming at him. I remember Petibone doing that once back it the day. They pulled the rookie QB at half time because he was shell shocked. And Tamap bay is putting there other rookie as the #2 guy. How great is that.

3. Get Marko Mitchell in the game, see what he can do. What do you have to lose? If he is no better than MK12 or DT11 put him on inactive next week.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 29, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

First to say that hiring Shanahan would be a bonehead move.

Posted by: mattylight |

Not by a long shot. Myself and others have been against it since the rumor first floated. Team doesn't need another WCO advocate fond of 290 pound OLinemen.

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

First to say that hiring Shanahan would be a bonehead move.

Posted by: mattylight
______________________

And what kind of material do you believe Danny's and Vinny's heads are made of?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 29, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think FWIW:
If/when Snyder hires a new coach it probably ought to be an established guy who demands his own front office guys. Snyder seems averse to hiring a strong GM so it'll have to be a strong coach (like he did with Marty and Gibbs) to command enough respect for him to leave them alone to run the team.
As much as I like the idea of Grimm it probably means Shanahan, Cowher, or Holmgren would be the logical choice as HC.

I like all three but of the three Shanahan seems to be burning the most to get back into it. He pretty much sucked as a GM in Denver but maybe he'll bring some decent personnel guys with him. Gameday coaching would improve drastically at least.

Posted by: skinswest | September 29, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Hiring Shanahan or any outsider during the season would be a bonehead move. When the season's over - not so much.

Posted by: skinswest | September 29, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ughh, this is aweful, I dont want to hear anymore crap about any of the problems on this team, I just cant take it, I just want to see this team go out, and execute, and beat the hell out of Tampa(very dooable by the way), and show some heart, or thats it Im done, just bought the dir ect ticket and I swear, ill saddle up for the Sox winnin another Series, and periodically check on this team, like they periodically check up on their jobs. Wow, I feel much better. RIP ST21 GO FU$$$N SKINS,, HAIL!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | September 29, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree with something T_E said above... bring seasoned coaching help in now (if available, which they are for a price), in a consulting capacity. Then make the HC change after the season.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 29, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

On 4th and 1 at the goal line, I agreed with Zorn's decision and his logic following the game. The play call that followed was, ummmm, uninspired.

Posted by: zcezcest1 |

Agree on this. It's football. You want to prove to a team early that your guys and bigger and badder bad-azzes than their guys. You do NOT send out a kicker to settle for 3 after a great drive like that.

A secondary message you send by going for it is you can't drive 99 yards on my defense even if I don't make it.

That said,there were a few problems.

1. A weak-ankled Portis is not a power back.
2. The Redskin line is not a power line.
3. The play was absolutely predictable.
4. a naked boot, play action, anything other than that play would have been better.
5. Once they failed, they let Detroit off the hook by sitting Haynesworth until the Lions got out from the shadow of their goalposts.
6. The details and the lack of imaginative thinking are killing this team.

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins will be much improved this weekend. Regardless what they say I think they felt even a half-hearted effort would be enough to bea the lions.

I would like to see some of the younger guys get in there and have a chance to mix it up. Someone said earlier to sit Smoot and try out Barnes...not a bad idea. I would also like to see one of the younger backs get some decent touches (excited about Aldridge).

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 29, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened:
I predicted the Redskins would beat the Detroit Lions by a final score of 33-6. I almost gave the Lions a touchdown in garbage time to make it 33-13, but I figured with the Pride of the Defense on the line, we wouldn't give them one anyway.

Here's what I think:
The Friggin' Redskins Suck.

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 29, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

1. The Skins D. It sucked bad last week and the Saints gave Grill the game ball for shutiing down the Bills. Need I say more?

2. Cerrato. His WR doubledown in the 2008 draft 2nd round has been a bust. Meanwhile the Giants are doing peachy keen with their 2008 late 3rd rounder.

3. Cerrato2. He may not know WRs, but if he had been successful with either of his recent QB lunges (Cut, San) the Skins would be a lot better off than they are with Campbell.

4. Portis. Age and LBs have caught up with the dude.

5. AH. The dude having drained the Skins treasury of a goodly chunk of change, you think he would have the decency to lose lbs so he could play at least half the snaps.

6. Campbell. Harrison said it on prime time. He is a backup.

7. Zorn. Hey, it takes more than staying medium to be a successful NFL coach.

8. Bugel. A smashmouth OL coach and a New Age WCO OC - what a team! Bugel and Blache sharing retirement plans. Now that is a team!

9. Betts - dude, how did you turn into a gas face like me?

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think: Haynesworth doesn't have the discipline to play defensive tackle. But he is way too talented not to in their on every down. Move him to defensive end as his previous coach in Indianapolis did. Go back to the tackle rotation used last year. Stop the run.

Posted by: periculum

Peri, this is a retread post from like a month ago. I'll repeat the same thing I had to say a month ago...Haynesworth never played for Indy.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 29, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

You're a lying pathetic piece of s***.

Now I'm done mf'er, or wasn't that enough curse words for your b***ass?

Posted by: RedDMV

I like to think of myself as a bit of an expert on foul language, even foul language that gets through filter by use of asterisks or #$@%#$ type stuff.

But I'm baffled by RedDMV cussword. Red is the baddest of bad-a** posters here, as indicated by his eagerness to "cuss" at anonymous posters who've hurt his feelings.

But I can't figure out what "B***ass" is supposed to be.

It can't be "beyotch" because even spelled correctly, the B word has five letters. Likewise, it can't be a racial insult, because with three asterisks it leaves out one of the letters in the word "black."

So please, redDMV, or any other people literate in the ways of cursewords, tell me what he meant, using symbols or asterisks that will get through the filter.

And please don't cus at me, I'm just abn itinerate scholar doing research for his new book, titled "F*** Y** M*****F*****: a Teenagers Guide to Creative Cursing," new from Knopf next Fall.

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I am against running Zorn out of town after 3 games, but if things continue and we need a change at the end of the season - why go after a big name (okay, I realize this is Danny's MO). But what about an up and coming coordinator. I think all the "hot" ones are now HCs elsewhere (Spags, Ryan, etc.), but I guess I feel a big name coach may work out just like the big name players all seem to around here.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 29, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

If Portis has a bad ankle then why didn't they run Sellers? He can carry two tacklers into the end zone.

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I still love my team. Though I'm not sure why.

I'm sure there's an unnamed psychosis that we are all afflicted with.

Let's give it a name:

"Redskinitis:

The Condition of sticking with some affiliation despite the fact that the victim receives nothing worthwhile, only frustration, disappointment, and ridicule, in return.

Often accompanied by an irrational hatred of the Dallas Cowboys."

(I'm sure various Native American groups will frown upon this, possibly bringing legal action. Who could blame them?)

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 29, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

(I'm sure various Native American groups will frown upon this, possibly bringing legal action. Who could blame them?)

Posted by: Thinker_ | September 29, 2009 6:25 PM |

Native Americans don't mind a team using their image as long as the team wins. Witness what happened with Illinois and "Chief Illiniwreck". And FSU and "Seminoles", although the Natives are starting to stir after that embarrassment at the hands of SFU. With the "Motown Beatdown" they can't get on the Supreme Court docket soon enough.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If Portis has a bad ankle then why didn't they run Sellers? He can carry two tacklers into the end zone.

Posted by: TheJury

I said that on Sunday. Give the ball to Sellers and let the lions D try to keep him out from just one yard.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 29, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I still love my team. Though I'm not sure why.

I'm sure there's an unnamed psychosis that we are all afflicted with.

Let's give it a name:

"Redskinitis:

The Condition of sticking with some affiliation despite the fact that the victim receives nothing worthwhile, only frustration, disappointment, and ridicule, in return.
_________________

Actually, Albert Einstein called this the definition of insanity... doing the same thing over and over again (i.e. employing Vinny continuously) while expecting a different result.

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 29, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

How come we never do a screen pass or a bootleg?

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

6. Campbell. Harrison said it on prime time. He is a backup.
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Allright, let me preface this statement by stating that I'm a Campbell guy. I'm not sure he is the guy yet, but I'm also not sure that he isn't.

That said, Rodney Harrison is hardly an authority on these matters, and regardless of your opinion of JC, this is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

Thats like stating Obama's disdain for JC.

Let us not forget how every ESPN analyst was annoiting JC the next great superstar when the skins were 6-2 last season. Its their job to stir the pot regardless of which way the wind is blowing.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 29, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I said that on Sunday. Give the ball to Sellers and let the lions D try to keep him out from just one yard.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 29, 2009 6:38 PM |

Sellers can't run low to the ground and bore into the DL. He runs straight up and slow. All you have to do is grab an ankle and he crashes like a redwood.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

When you don't win...everything get's overanalyzed...

Winning cures everything....PERIOD!

Remember the 6-2 Redskins....

"Zorns an innovative playcaller"

"I kind of like this new quirkiness of Zorn with this hip hip hooray"

"Campbell finally gets it...he's right up there with Ben Roethlisberger"

"I think this team is turning a corner"

"That's a great call!...the ol' halfback option...great call"

"The team does not have a pass rush, but they are still the 4th ranked defense"

"This team could make a deep run into the playoffs"


BUT, when you LOSE...

"JC is stupid, slow, holds the ball too long, can't read defenses, is not a leader, is a career backup"

"Haynesworth is Stubby II"

"Zorn's an idiot...how can you go for it...kick the field goal...why did you call the halfback option."

"This team needs to be blown up...there's no talent on this team"

"We need Shanahan, Cower, Gruden"

"Zorn has lost the team"


Posted by: rickyroge | September 29, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

For the record...this organization needs to be reorganized

Posted by: rickyroge | September 29, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

How come we never do a screen pass or a bootleg?

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 6:46 PM |

The QB has to "sell" that kind of shti for it to work.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

F YOU 4th!!!! You ol' Baby Huey in the 60s, Loco "At that age dey don't ask no questions" actin' in "South Central", MontGo Co. hailin' bama f!!!

Yeah, what up, joe?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse
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It has to be asked.

Why would anyone take the time to write in ebonics?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 29, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

6. Campbell. Harrison said it on prime time. He is a backup.
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... Rodney Harrison is hardly an authority on these matters, and regardless of your opinion of JC, this is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 29, 2009 6:49 PM |

Oh, and you are? The dude spent 15 years on the other side of the line carefully observing the species, occasionally chowing down on the hapless ones who had Jon Jansen pass protection.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

How come we never do a screen pass or a bootleg?

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 6:46 PM |

The QB has to "sell" that kind of shti for it to work.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse
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Unfortunately like most of Campbell's body of work, we don't know if he can or he can't cause he plays with handcuffs on. Zorn will lose his job one way or another, so he should start letting us see what this kid can really do. The ship is already sinking, he has nothing to lose.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 29, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

How come we never do a screen pass or a bootleg?

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 6:46 PM |

The QB has to "sell" that kind of shti for it to work.

Posted by: GasFace | September 29, 2009 6:53 PM

Isn't that the coaches job to have them in the position to sell it?

Posted by: TheJury | September 29, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

6. Campbell. Harrison said it on prime time. He is a backup.
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... Rodney Harrison is hardly an authority on these matters, and regardless of your opinion of JC, this is one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 29, 2009 6:49 PM |

Oh, and you are? The dude spent 15 years on the other side of the line carefully observing the species, occasionally chowing down on the hapless ones who had Jon Jansen pass protection.
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Wow Gasface, that was by any means intended to be a personal slam, and I apologize if you took it that way. All I'm saying is, that, in my opinion, is not a viable argument. You are free to disagree.

Posted by: kingtutts | September 29, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I've come to wonder if Vinny is the real problem, the way he seems to have metastasized to Snyder .. Does he have some kinda spell on Dan ?, Does he keep whispering in Dan's ear what a great & wise owner he is (despite all evidence to the contrary) which prevents Dan from seeing the light? .... Is Vinny Snyder's Rasputin ?! (cue creepy organ music)

Posted by: RoidRage | September 29, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This is all VINNY'S fault.

Haynesworth : Blache :: Campbell : Zorn

Trying to fit Albert Haynesworth into a discipline-first system is a waste of Haynesworth's talent and a waste of Greg Blache's coaching ability. The same can be said for pushing a 6'5" passer with a cannon arm into a dump-off heavy West Coast Offense.

What demented cupid concocted these foolish matches? VINNY CERRATO, that's who. And he's been making these moves for the past 10 years, all the while he ducking any public accountability (unless you count his puff radio show hosted by Larry "I'm Working for a Bequest in Snyder's Will" Michael.)

Vinny is a total failure at his job. When Marty Schottenheimer had the good sense to fire him, did any teams rush in to add him to their front office? Heck no! He wound up on ESPN.

Vinny Cerrato is here for one purpose and one purpose only: To let Chainsaw Dan Snyder play Fantasy Football with one of the iconic franchises of the NFL.

What a disgrace Vinny and Dan are to Washington and professional football.

Posted by: drischord | September 29, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

.. and while we're at it , my personal opinion is that Snyderotto should give Zorn the full season before canning his ass ,but whatever happens with that there is possibly a silver-lining : the only way in hell Snyder is gonna get a high profile coach like Shanahan or Cower no matter how much $$ he throws at them is to guarantee them (and I mean contractually guarantee)near total czar authority over all things football , which hopefully means (cue angelic chorus) NO MORE VINNY .... And hopefully no more Danny meddling ...

Posted by: RoidRage | September 29, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Claiming the Haynesworth signing is a bust is over the top. He's been fine - afterall, he isn't the one allowing WR's and TE's to run free in the middle of the field.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

No, our slow-as* LB's allow that! Mediocre talent equals mediocre team regardless who's coaching.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 29, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW,

Heading to Los Angeles tomorrow for a few days. What is a must see. Staying at a Westin on Figuero Street.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 29, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happen:
Zorn had the bright idea to deactivated the only receiver who had produced touchdowns during the preseason. (Marko Mitchell) Zorn signed a running back with 4.3 speed ( Anthony Aldredge) and activated him for the lions game, but did not play him at RB.
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Here's what I think:
Zorn does not use his players wisely, It's obvious that the problem is the offense. There are two players with size and speed that can help this team and Zorn will not use these players. Instead he sticks lack of production players due to their contract status.

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 29, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:
Zorn does not use his players wisely, It's obvious that the problem is the offense. There are two players with size and speed that can help this team and Zorn will not use these players. Instead he sticks lack of production players due to their contract status.


Posted by: pennstate1

I agree the O is virtually inept and I have many reasons why I think JC should sit. The D however is the unit that allowed an UFB 99 yard TD drive to the Lions.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 29, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The "D" is tired of this sh&$, they probably feel that they have nothing to play for. If they stop the opposing team, they will be back on the field after a 3 and out from the "O". They know that Zorn's "O" is a piece of sh&% and they are probably are asking themselves "what's my motivation?

Posted by: pennstate1 | September 29, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

All this bullsh_t about AH not having gap support, show me one other person besides I know nothing about football J Reid who has said this. He has played great this year and played just as much as any other DT in the league. Put a link up to any story that says he has been freelancing this year, I bet you can't find one.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 29, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, the good news continues to trickle in for 'ol D.C. From PFT:

Haynesworth's soon-to-be-ex wants him to stay away
Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2009 8:05 PM ET
The gloves are coming off in the divorce case involving Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

And Mrs. Haynesworth apparently hopes to obtain judicial intervention before shoes start falling on foreheads, too.

She filed the action back in March 2008, and she recently has asked a Tennessee judge to force Haynesworth to pay bills dating back to April 2008.

Mrs. Haynesworth also wants a restraining order.

The motion, filed September 17 and due to be heard October 13, claims that Haynesworth threatened to stop making temporary support payments, that he has told their daughter's preschool that he would not be paying the monthly tuition, and that he refused to pay a veterinarian's bill of approximately $4,000 for the family dog.

Albert, live up to your commitments. You're making $40 million guaranteed. We don't think you'll need to take a second job to pay for your kid's tuition. (But, if you do, maybe Robert Henson can hook you up at McDonald's.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's what I think:
mike wise, Jason Reid, mark maske= Jeff George
David justice, Tony k, = brad Johnson, ap55

Here's what happened: wapo keeps losing talent but they replace that talent with garbage writers who think they have skills but fall way short of being good writers/reporters. There is a reason other than technology that wapo is losing money.

Posted by: dealer1 | September 29, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Have not posted in forever always a lurker... I was able to procure at a charity auction last weekend a game used football signed by Portis, Sellers, and Sean Taylor. I was actually at the game in preseason 2007 against the Titans. I have pics of ST on the sidelines during the game if any of you happened to be there also and have pics of Portis or Sellers during the game Id appreciate you emailing them to me to put with the ball...gpizzano@bellsouth.net thanks G. BTW the glass is half full HTTR Zorn will right the ship...

Posted by: GintheAtl | September 29, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

No, our slow-as* LB's allow that! Mediocre talent equals mediocre team regardless who's coaching.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 29, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I may have agreed with you 5 weeks ago in preseason if you said Fletch looked slow and Rock was invisible, but they've balled hard so far. Aside from Doughty (I never thought I'd say that), where the safeties at? Consistently?!

Our LBs may not be as fast as Carolina's LBs, but they're not the problem. Orakpo's coverage has been suspect, though. Many up here said, "This is stupid, put him at DE". I'm liable to agree if he doesn't improve in coverage real soon. Bad fit for 4-3 LB.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

(Haynesworth) has played great this year and played just as much as any other DT in the league. Put a link up to any story that says he has been freelancing this year, I bet you can't find one.

Posted by: Flounder21

Tell you what. Why don't YOU tell us why Haynesworth was on the bench at the beginning of the SECOND Detroit series. That was the one that began on the 1 yard line and went 99 yards.

A key play was a 3rd and 1 drive over Golston (replacing Haynesworth) for a first down still fairly deep in Detroit territory.

You CLAIM he's in shape, but he has a gut bigger than Octomom right before she popped, and while he has played very well at times, he has hardly "played great" this year.

Heck Richard Seymour had two sacks and a slew of tackles in HIS first game, and he had no practices with his new team, and played practically the whole game. Now THAT's game shape.

AH is not a bust, nor is he a $100 million Superstar. The answer is right in the middle, or, er, "Medium."

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's what happened: wapo keeps losing talent but they replace that talent with garbage writers who think they have skills but fall way short of being good writers/reporters. There is a reason other than technology that wapo is losing money.

Posted by: dealer1

Don't take this the wrong way, but why don't you send them a resume or STFU?

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

here is what I think, whenever people keep talking about change in momentum (4th & 1) they should be talking about attitude, Skins came in playing not to lose and the Lions came in playing with the mindset of we are going to win.

I am sick of hearing momentum this and momentum that, all of the teams that win on a regular basis have it, we have no attitude, LFB 59 is one of the few who has it, 21 had it, 30 wants to have it but theis team needs attitude and it stems from the Coach who is too nice, enough said, coaching change no change, etc these guys need to play harder and get back to playing tough, I haven't seen/felt that these guys want to be champs, I listened to 980 on the way home after sundays loss and it was the typical crap about we played hard, any given sunday etc....

somebody needs to get in peoples faces even if they are men (zorn) and get something done, Danny Boy may have created chaos in the organization but this is a game of line up and hit them in the face and see who wins.

thanks for listening to my rant but it makes my skin crawl reading all of this crap about momentum and Jason Reid is about as informed as my kid.

let's hope we win this weekend

Posted by: stivic | September 29, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

cork,

I didn't say he was in the greatest shape but neither are a lot of DT, I said he was not missing gap responsability. As to why he was on the bench I don't run the defense so I don't know. Stop referring to the contract as 100mil you know as well as I do it's truly a 41mil contract he will never see anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 29, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The argument for JC padding his stats with "garbage time" is like the dude on the NY subway in the movie "Kids"--"I have no legs! I have no legs!".

The scores were too close for anything to be called garbage time. Late in the game (and the start of the 3rd quarter vs Lions) were coincidentally the moments JC had the most freedom to call his own plays and stay in a rhythm. This should be examined and expanded in future game plans, not discounted as "garbage".

JC also is not the problem.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Mayor,

Good meeting you and Rick on Sunday night in Detroit. Thanks for letting us crash your dinner and talk Skins even though we did about 74 jager bombs at the table trying to numb the pain. You guys are both class acts and were a pleasure to talk to. Keep up the great work.

Posted by: RickyBobby | September 29, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

romo,

Detroit played pure prevent the last two drives we had, which besides the first drive of the game is the only time JC did anything.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 29, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES

again brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1:
No shortage of perspective this week.

Some quick Q&A. Is Zorn in trouble? Are the Skins unwittingly in the middle of youth movement? Is this team Vinny's fault? Did the refs rob us? Is Portis done? Is Albert a bust? The answers are: Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Maybe and Not so far.

Now onto perspective.

Since the start of the 2008 season, the Rams and Lions have combined to play 38 games, including 4 games vs the Redskins. Their W/L record?

vs the Redskins
2-2

vs the rest of the NFL
1-33

All 4 games vs the league's drek were close. The 12 point lead Detroit built on Sunday (19-7) was the equal to the largest lead the Redskins have had during the entire Zorn era (ironically, our 12 point lead came last year vs Detroit). Detroit played the better game, despite injuries to their top LB and and their top RB, who was having a huge game.

How did it go in the trenches, where most games are won and lost? Kevin Smith had bigger holes to run thru than Portis did and Stafford had more time to throw than Campbell did. I expect modest things from our OL, but the DL was a huge disappointment.

This week, our defense reached crisis level. 4 long drives, including a 99 yard TD drive mocked what was supposed to be the heart of this team.

Which brings me to this week's theme. Heart.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
part 2

During the Zorn era, the Skins record vs the 2 teams that played in the NFC championship game last year (AZ and philly) is 3-0.

So how can you beat the some of the best teams and lose to the worst?

Heart.

I've been one of the few who has suggested that character matters while noting personnel moves that had the potential to diminish the character of this team. In the games immediately after Sean Taylor's death, the Redskins accomplished a rarity, they became more than the sum of their parts. They had heart. That heart left the building in 2008 (I cited the week leading up to the Cincy loss as the final nail) and it simply isn't here in 2009.

A 99 yard drive by a rookie QB vs this defense was unthinkable last year. Not this year. That's a lack of heart, not just a foolish coaching move.

Which brings me to the question of the hour, what to do with Jim Zorn? I've stated my concerns on Zorn early and often. But firing Zorn isn't a plan. Others up here have suggested bringing in a guy like Holmgren for a week or two to diagnose the issues and find fixes. I'm on board. While some might see this as undercutting Zorn, the short and sweet is that Zorn isn't cutting it as a HC. The decision to help Zorn develop with some mentoring from a friend may prove useful. Either Zorn improves a bunch or Zorn is toast. Might as well help him. ... because firing Zorn won't mean you've solved the HC problem. Or any other problem. Firing Zorn would be a tactic when what is needed is a strategy.

But stratagery has never been the strong suit of Dan Snyder or Vinny Cerrato.

And that is it for week 3 of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always again brought to you by the finest people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Flounder,

So he didn't do much during the TD drive in the third quarter? And were we not driving for the win on the last drive? Prevent does not equal garbage time.

Not saying JC=Bro Montana, but you can't chalk up his positive play to prevent D in and of itself.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

So he didn't do much during the TD drive in the third quarter? And were we not driving for the win on the last drive? Prevent does not equal garbage time.

Not saying JC=Bro Montana, but you can't chalk up his positive play to prevent D in and of itself.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2009 8:53 PM |

We were driving with about a minute left and no timeouts. So they will give you all the short over the middle stuff you want. Prevent means easy throws over the middle so they can keep you in bounds and run the clock out. It worked pretty well for them didn't?

Your correct the TD pass was nice, it just doesn't happen enough.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 29, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is having long, long drawn out and serious negotiations with Shanny. Snyder will accede to his demands at the bye. Shannan coaches team the rest of the way.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask this question did the Skins blitz Stafford on Sunday? for the life of me i can't remember, HBO(HELP A BRUTHA OUT).

Posted by: dargregmag | September 29, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Man, if this is how 1-2 feels, what's it gonna be like at 4-12?

Posted by: farstriker | September 29, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Again Jason Reid criticizes Albert Hanyeworth, and fail to criticize our unproductive D Ends. I have a question for you Jason, how many Sacks do Philip Daniels, and Andre Carter have? You consistently bash Albert, without care to mentioning the D ends were suppose to benefit most from the acquisition of Albert Hanyeworth. How about you mention the silence of our secondaries play, or the fact that Greg Blatche creates ineffective blitz schemes. But I have one for you.

HERES WHAT HAPPEN: We fired Greg Williams to hire Jim Zorn

HERES WHAT I THINK: It was an idiot move, we would be in the same position as San Fran, a defense with discipline and a coach that believes and trust their players.

Posted by: Tom_square | September 29, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren eyeballing D.C.?
Posted by Mike Florio on September 29, 2009 8:36 PM ET
Former Packers and Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren has been making no bones about his desire to return to the NFL in 2010.

An we've been hearing for months rumors that Holmgren would be very interested in becoming the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

Earlier today, Peter King of SI.com providing some meat for that bone, in an appearance with Chris Russo of Mag Dog Unleashed on Sirius XM Radio.

"I've heard a lot of people say in the last few days, 'Oh, Holmgren wouldn't want to go to Washington,'" King said. "Keep one thing in mind in December when all this stuff starts to go down. Remember where you heard this. Mike Holmgren last year, Thanksgiving weekend, I'm sitting in his office in Seattle and he says, 'You know, I'm going to take this next year off but after that I'll give you a cool little theory for what I might do.' I said, 'What?' And he says, 'I've coached in the Midwest with Green Bay and I grew up playing and coaching out west -- Brigham Young, the 49ers, Seattle.' And he said, 'I'd really love to try the East Coast. That brand of football where you wake up on Sunday morning and it's the most important thing. There aren't 800 things to do. Where you're in East Rutherford or Philly or Washington and it's so important.'

"He said, 'I'd really love to try football on the East Coast.' So do not eliminate Mike Holmgren when you start talking about coaching candidates for [Redskins owner] Dan Snyder."

So we think it'll be Holmgren and Shanahan jockeying for position in D.C., and the Redskins and Cowboys in a possible tug of war to get their preferred candidate.

That's why we don't rule out the 'Skins launching the process before the end of the season, in order to get a crack at Holmgren or Shanahan, before Jerry Jones does.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

If this team can't galvanize in the face of a crisis like this it deserves to be blown up and sold off for scrap.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 29, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Best post of the day by rickyroge @ 6:50 pm!

Ironic when he wrote:

"Zorns an innovative playcaller"

"I kind of like this new quirkiness of Zorn with this hip hip hooray"

I'm still laughing over Hitler's rant in youtube: "I'm gonna hip-hip-hooray my lunch all over this table!"

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 29, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Would you believe we're favored by 7 points over the Bucs with an over/under of 37! 37! We can't score 20 and they got the over/under at 37!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 29, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

holmgren rode the green bay wave and was about as good as Vinny in terms of being a GM, i might be sick but I would take gruden over holmgren, cowher will go to NC and shanahan is here or Dallas.

just my uninformed opinion but I think Danny shocks us and no change until the end of the year but we could see a big youth movement, 98 and jarmon at ends, different running backs, mitchell and kelly playing more with 89 at the 3rd who knows but if the ship continues sink what do we have to lose.

Posted by: stivic | September 29, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

stivic I agree, but I would take Shanahan because he would bring a pretty good offense. It's funny that the firing of Greg Williams would come back to haunt us, just imagine what he could have done with the likes of Hanyeworth, Jarmon, and Orakpo.

Posted by: Tom_square | September 29, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow reading this thread, it dawned on me...if the media would just stand up and do their job the Skins would be 3-0 and kicking azz and taking names. C'mon media step up!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 29, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT- street slang for Sick with It- meaning I'm nice wit mine!

I know the team sucks, Snyder is not a good owner...yada...yada...yada...


BUT there's been a lot of piling on this week...

I mean damn...enough already!

Posted by: rickyroge | September 29, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

lol, cL

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 29, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow reading this thread, it dawned on me...if the media would just stand up and do their job the Skins would be 3-0 and kicking azz and taking names. C'mon media step up!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 29, 2009 9:50 PM |

If only it were that easy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

SWP2O3QT.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Lisa you know this is Snyder? Knowing its Snyder you should know the guy (or his reps) are in Colorado hammering out the details with Shannahan so that he is on board by the bye. Its Snyder for criminies sake!?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Ummm farstriker? I predicted 4-12 to a voluminous cacophony of grief ... and that Zorn would be fired by week 3 or 4. This was back before preseason. Guess what?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I must be dating the 'Medium" or Jennifer Luv Hewitt ...

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

and I have ghost radar on my iPhone ...

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

lol@ The Post trotting out these journalism majors to tell us "what they think". lmao. Who cares what you think? Report what football think. Thank you.

Posted by: themantoyou | September 29, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's not that dumb enough to accept a place in a embarrassing light, periculum.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 29, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Good call, peri. You're as good as that Mariners' broadcaster. . .

http://www.tiricosuave.com/2009/09/28/behold-the-prescience-of-mike-blowers/

Posted by: farstriker | September 29, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's not that dumb enough to accept a place in a embarrassing light, periculum.

I do hope you are right RedCherokee. I hope it falls through just like the whole Sanchez and
Cutler deal ...

But we both know that Snyder is Snyder and he is definitely going to do everything he can attempting it. Its not like he hasn't undermined coaches, not just QB's, in the past.


Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't we have to atleast interview a black candidate before we just hire coach? I know this is premature but...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@farstriker,

Pretty good ... but I told the NJ that my original hometown's ace JD Martin would come up to the majors and pitch some winning baseball. All the experts on NJ claimed he was "AAAA" signed to be prospect fodder.

Guess what?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

scambell1975,

Dude maybe you're forgetting ... Greg Blache? If he gives Snyder an unequivocal no again ... guess that constitutes doesn't it?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

fire zorn he is the 2nd coming of norv turner, get rid of blache also,put cerrato on a bus(1 way ticket) out of d.c. period. and snyder will probably hire the immortal jim fassel as your next head coach..

Posted by: wathu19 | September 29, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's ego just might be that huge ... he's not a Tom Cable ... still?

But maybe he'll be sorely tempted but will do the old "doggone it you had me going there, you're like an old spider waiting in his web" routine to Snidely.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

"Report what football think."

WaPo: Football what is your take on last weeks game?

Football: Well I can tell you how fukkin sick and tired I am of getting slapped, kicked, punched, dropped, thrown and placed between some lard azzes sweaty thighs sniffing taint. I can tell you that much

Posted by: chrislarry | September 29, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

scambell1975,

Dude maybe you're forgetting ... Greg Blache? If he gives Snyder an unequivocal no again ... guess that constitutes doesn't it?


Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 10:49 PM |

Don't know if "Hey, wanna be coach?" counts as an interview. Besides, they had a chance at him before Zorn even came into the picture.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse


"Report from Oracle"

WaPo: What's your db say about the immediate future for the Washington Redtaters?

Oracle: Well, I'm not the database and certainly not Larry Ellison, I just sit in a temple all day farting marble. Other than that I think that Daniel Snyder will do everything in his power to hire Mike Shanahan, if that doesn't work he will try Holmgren, perhaps even Cower. If that doesn't work he will again try to prevail upon Greg Blache. He will undermine his head coach and emasculate him in front of his players. Look at the genre of jokes that are already being bandied about at his expense? So from the perspective of marble farting Oracles I must say the near term future of the Redskins looks pretty dim to fearfully catastrophic. 'Scuse me while I fart some more marble, thank you."

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

How bout ditch mr .fair catch fall down David the gnome randle el . Maybe some one who could break the 30 on a kick return.
Really just sad I never have any hope of either going 4 6
Offense is getting 0 help in the fpg
Not suprised by the offense lack of production but the defense early performance has really dissapointed me.
The secondary has me very concerned.
Seems 2 b missing some heart/leadership/fire
Just can't help to think about sean Taylor

Posted by: EagerYeager | September 29, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Just can't help to think about sean Taylor

The right coach probably would have been Grilliams.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"try some positivity like...lets beat the bucs and this is how we're gonna do it." try to learn english first brotha....jason is the beat writer..not a cheerleader

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/multimedia_videos

Posted by: nattylite88 | September 30, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

HERE'S WHAT I THINK: Jason Reid sucks.

HERE'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN: Jason Reid will suck harder.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 30, 2009 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Bad post, VegasJim. You are in danger of being banned from Redskins Insiders. Please apologize.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 30, 2009 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is 9th in passer rating, tied with a bunch for 9th in fewest INTs, 9th in yds/attempt, 5th in completion %, tied for 18th in TD throws, 2nd in % of first downs per pass attempt and 3rd among QBs in rushing yards.

I'll be the first to admit Campbell's rankings exceed his overall play by a good bit, but for Harrison to call Campbell a backup is just silly. The guy is top 10 in too many areas to toss him into the backup bin.

Remember, Harrison, along with all the other broadcasters, are trying to watch 7 games at a time. How many plays is he really watching? I'm guessing he sees mostly highlights, which have been few and far between for the Skins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2009 2:44 AM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

I agree on Campbell. I think he is one of the few bright spots this year meaning - playing better than last year and exceding (common) expectations.

Without good pass protection and portis hurting and no burst, I don't feel like he is going to end up having a good season.

Posted by: mul123 | September 30, 2009 5:18 AM | Report abuse

Bad post, VegasJim. You are in danger of being banned from Redskins Insiders. Please apologize.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 30, 2009 1:56 AM |

Bad post RedCherokee. Banning a post just because you don't like it is absurd. The blog should be open to all as long as they abide by the rules. There is no rule that says you have to be respectful of Jason Reid. Please apologize.

Posted by: GasFace | September 30, 2009 6:35 AM | Report abuse

The right coach probably would have been Grilliams.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2009 11:12 PM |

Really where is he coaching this year, I mean after the great job he did with Jacksonville's defense last year and all.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 30, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Okay, here's what we do:

We make a giant Albert Haynesworth dummy and roll it out on the field for the first defensive series. We roll it in to the Bucs backfield and out from springs seven little people in Tampa Bay uniforms that get Tampa Bay called for too many men on the field. After we do this several times we will have them backed up to their goal line and that is when we catapault the real Albert Haynesworth into the backfield to land on the QB for a safety. I call this the "Trojan Albert" play.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

that is freaking hilarious... the two points would be our offense for the day.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | September 30, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Some don't remember when we had really bad teams decades ago. This team is not as bad as you think even if we are not a super bowl contender. Beat the East at least!

Posted by: emcdonald6 | September 30, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Ivan are you alright are you going to sit here and tell me that Blatche's system requires so much discipline that playmakers are not allowed to make plays?

Blatche is smoking some god weed if he thinks Haynesworth prescence has not allowed London Fletcher to have an MVP season?

Good defensive teams like the Ravens, Giants, and Jets put pressure on the opposing teams quarterback every play whether with the down 4 lineman or sending in a blitz that does not look like a freaking blitz!

Haynesworth is the least of the skins defensive problems.
The problems start with the corners playing 10-12 yards off of the ball because they can't cover anyone. The problem is that Andre Carter cannot rush the passer or stop the run, the probblem is that Phillip Daniels is too slow and old to do anything anymore.
The problem is that Blatche has Orakpo is playing out of position.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | September 30, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game again last night on my DVR. And I must admit the bad play calling by Zorn. But what about the ref's call that change the outcome of the game. In the 4th QTR 3rd and 7 on the Skins 48 yard line quick screen pass to Santana Moss flag thrown from the ref for a face mask was picked up as a no foul. The replay shows that their was a face mask. So instead of a 1st and 10 at the Lions 37 the skins punt. Two plays later pass interference on the one next play touchdown Lions 19-7????? If the ref threw the flag why was it picked up ??? Also in the 3rd QTR skin driving the ball Casey Rabach was called for holding (mystery hold) as the skins completed a 20 yard pass into Lions territory. Result in a punt.. Maybe it was a plan to have the Skins lose... I agree the game should have not been close at all but when you get bad calls it changes the game.. Thanks Ref's .. Where is the justice... The league hates Danny Boy Too..

Posted by: NYSkinFAN | September 30, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Whom question. Next year is an uncapped season, what do you think Dan Snyder is going to do with that luxury lol?

Posted by: Tom_square | September 30, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

If you ain't first, you're last...

Posted by: carocanesfan | September 29, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Unless you're the only one playing. Then you're both.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

funniest sh!t I heard all day!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | September 30, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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